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2024-12-14 18:17:53	bswartz	I just want to mention that updating my client code from 1.18 to 1.21 is turning out to be a huge pain
2024-12-14 18:18:03	bswartz	Things got a lot more complicated in the last 2 years
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2024-12-16 14:45:50	obw	yeah that's real
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2024-12-17 18:54:09	guest203948	do minecraft chunk data packets have to be sent between chunk batch start/end packets or can they be sent on their own?
2024-12-17 18:54:34	guest203948	also how can i check if someone has responded to this once i close this tab, im not familiar with IRC at all and i cant see chat history
2024-12-17 18:57:20	guest203948	nvm i found the log file
2024-12-17 18:57:35	guest203948	but im still not sure about the chunk thing
2024-12-17 19:12:40	pokechu22	That's a good question but I don't know anything about chunk batch start/end since they're fairly new
2024-12-17 19:13:03	pokechu22	The easiest thing to do would be to try it and see if the client complains (assuming you're writing a server)
2024-12-17 19:15:30	lassipulkkinen	chunk batch start/end are only used to measure bandwidth, you don't need to send them unless you want that information.
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2024-12-17 20:35:27	guest203948	alright thanks for helping
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2024-12-27 22:54:03	bswartz	Whoever updated the wiki, thanks!
2024-12-27 22:54:25	bswartz	It's nice not to have to go back and forth between the protocol page and the pre-release protocol page
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2024-12-28 18:52:23	bswartz	Hey who here knows anything about the new chat system?
2024-12-28 21:09:57	bswartz	Well I've figured out the new chat system and I have to say it's quite complex
2024-12-28 21:11:02	bswartz	All this extra work just so Mojang can ban people who say offensive things?
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2024-12-31 04:35:37	Tides	What does the components to remove field do for item stacks?? I'm a little confused on its purpose
2024-12-31 04:36:14	Tides	Oh wait forget it I assumed right its to remove default components
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2024-12-31 14:32:14	bswartz	Yes this ^
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2025-01-01 22:28:23	Tides	what's the point of update recipes packet now? I've noticed it changed from what it used to be
2025-01-01 22:59:57	lassipulkkinen	iirc the property sets define which items can go in which crafting inputs
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2025-01-02 02:57:28	Tides	Ahh okay
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2025-01-08 18:02:15	pokechu22	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 25w02a:
2025-01-08 18:02:17	pokechu22	[Burger] Diff from 1.21.4: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.21.4_25w02a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.21.4_25w02a.json)
2025-01-08 18:02:19	pokechu22	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w02a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w02a.json)
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2025-01-14 04:35:08	loserexe	Hello, does anyone know what happened to the website?
2025-01-14 04:35:29	pokechu22	loserexe: Yes, one minute...
2025-01-14 04:35:40	Disconsented	Should probably update the topic
2025-01-14 04:35:53	pokechu22	loserexe: https://tkte.ch/articles/2024/11/11/sunsetting.html
2025-01-14 04:38:35	loserexe	aw shoot!
2025-01-14 04:38:51	lassipulkkinen	it's on minecraft.wiki now
2025-01-14 04:38:58	loserexe	oh really?
2025-01-14 04:38:59	lassipulkkinen	integration is still wip
2025-01-14 04:39:11	lassipulkkinen	https://minecraft.wiki/w/Minecraft_Wiki:Projects/wiki.vg_merge
2025-01-14 04:39:31	loserexe	ok that is a relief.
2025-01-14 04:39:42	Disconsented	There should hopefully be a internet archive copy as well
2025-01-14 04:39:46	pokechu22	All of the content should also be on web.archive.org (and also available as data that can be imported on archive.org itself)
2025-01-14 04:39:55	pokechu22	(including past revisions)
2025-01-14 04:41:39	loserexe	That should be handy. Thanks for the help guys.
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2025-01-15 15:02:23	pokechu22	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 25w03a:
2025-01-15 15:02:25	pokechu22	[Burger] Diff from 25w02a: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w02a_25w03a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w02a_25w03a.json)
2025-01-15 15:02:27	pokechu22	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w03a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w03a.json)
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2025-01-16 08:33:46	rooks	Hello, I was wondering if an RTOS (looking at zephyr right now) is a suitable platform to use as a basis to host a minecraft server?
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2025-01-17 03:17:14	bswartz	No, you need a platform that can run Java
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2025-01-17 06:15:10	rooks	What if I just implemented the correct responses? Like with TCP/IP ?
2025-01-17 06:17:52	rooks	I saw someone running minecraft server on an AVR, surely that doesn't have java?
2025-01-17 06:18:26	pokechu22	You could, but I don't think there's really any benefit. I don't think you can realistically determine how long it will take for a tick to occur, so I don't think an RTOS would really help with breaking things up into tasks
2025-01-17 06:43:26	rooks	My target platform is likely an arm m0 single core of some kind, would there be a scheduled type of platform that would be good?
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2025-01-17 08:51:16	rooks	It seems that the network stack on the RTOS is bigger than what I have available? lol
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2025-01-17 13:14:55	bswartz	If you're willing to write a whole server from scratch, you can do it on whatever platform you like
2025-01-17 13:15:22	bswartz	The problem is that minecraft is incredibly complex, and you have hundreds of years of work ahead of you to fully recreate it
2025-01-17 13:15:51	bswartz	Most people choose to extend/modify the existing code to get a more satisfying result with less work
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2025-01-18 01:27:01	rooks	I don't need/want a fully featured minecraft server instance, just wanted to see if I could put some minecraft on some cool rocks i have
2025-01-18 01:27:38	rooks	Like a minimal working project
2025-01-18 01:27:52	rooks	maybe with some gpio control
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2025-01-22 14:02:24	pokechu22	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 25w04a:
2025-01-22 14:02:26	pokechu22	[Burger] Diff from 25w03a: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w03a_25w04a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w03a_25w04a.json)
2025-01-22 14:02:28	pokechu22	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w04a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w04a.json)
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2025-01-24 13:07:11	stewi	Does anyone have some advice for tracking down memory leaks?
2025-01-24 13:07:41	stewi	I have VisualVM setup, and I can see that long[] is taking up huge amounts of memory/
2025-01-24 13:08:16	stewi	But I can't seem to be able to use VisualVM to figure out where the leak is happening.
2025-01-24 13:10:20	stewi	Either that or I start entertaining the idea that this memory leak isn't actually coming from my code...
2025-01-24 13:12:33	stewi	It's just annoying and hard to figure out questions like that because this memory leak is on the orders of tens of hours before it becomes significant.
2025-01-24 13:12:55	stewi	But I will try running it without my stuff.
2025-01-24 14:39:16	bswartz	IDK how much Java experience you have, but in Java, memory doesn't exactly "leak" because there's no memory consumed that you don't have a pointer to somewhere. What you have is more like runaway memory consumption because your data structures are growing without bounds
2025-01-24 15:18:17	stewi	Yeah, you're right they can't be leaks in the traditional sense. I'm adding postgresql support to distant horizons, and am dealing with their array recycling system among other things.
2025-01-24 15:31:09	stewi	To be clear, the memory leak happened running a number of mods and generating terrain overnight. I took a heap dump and have been running a test with only my DH changes and the worl gen mod (Big Globe) to confirm it still happens.
2025-01-24 15:32:07	stewi	My immediate assumption is that I created the memory leak.
2025-01-24 18:02:08	bswartz	Look for data structures of variable size and understand what can increase their size and whether/how they get shrunk or deleted
2025-01-24 18:02:50	bswartz	Usually a Java "memory leak" is just a list, tree, or map that had adds over time with no mechanism to delete
2025-01-24 18:17:11	pokechu22	long[] is probably chunk data (which is stored in a compacted form in long arrays)
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2025-01-28 21:42:05	JoCat	Hello, is anyone there? The site has been inaccessible for weeks now, any info on this?
2025-01-28 21:43:09	pokechu22	JoCat: yes
2025-01-28 21:43:30	pokechu22	https://tkte.ch/articles/2024/11/11/sunsetting.html - migrated to minecraft.wiki
2025-01-28 21:51:13	JoCat	Ohhhh. Unexpected. Has anyone raised a new version of the site, and if not, is there a link where you can download data from the site, because I did not see it in the article? In any case, thanks to all who supported and filled the site with information.
2025-01-28 21:56:51	pokechu22	JoCat: my understanding is that article contents have been incorporated into https://minecraft.wiki/ (but I don't know the details of it). The export is at https://archive.org/details/wiki.vg_revision_and_uploads. https://web.archive.org/web/20241129034201/https://wiki.vg/Main_Page is also a complete copy
2025-01-28 21:58:41	JoCat	thx. btw, I just found this chat through the web archive
2025-01-28 22:01:55	JoCat	I dug into the channel's message history and found this: https://minecraft.wiki/w/Minecraft_Wiki:Projects/wiki.vg_merge
2025-01-28 22:02:26	JoCat	well that's good too, now it's real on the official wiki, heh.
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2025-01-29 16:12:19	pokechu22	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 25w05a:
2025-01-29 16:12:21	pokechu22	[Burger] Diff from 25w04a: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w04a_25w05a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_25w04a_25w05a.json)
2025-01-29 16:12:23	pokechu22	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w05a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/25w05a.json)
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2025-02-02 23:33:46	Swixy	Hi, i hope this is the correct place for this. Ive been trying to make a basic minecraft server following the protocol. I got to the point of "Logic acknowledged" by the client the 0x03 packet and after that i see that in wireshark i receive 2 more packet being the "minecraft:brand" thingy and client information packet containing en_us, Im not sure how im supposed to handle them.Also, about 
2025-02-02 23:33:46	Swixy	the client known packs it states in the wiki that it should be "minecraft:core" and verison:"1.21.4" and also the id but i cant find the id for that. thanks
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2025-02-03 16:19:01	halloy8003	Is minecraft-protocol correctly ported to 1.21.4? It appears that minecraft-data isn't ported to 1.21.4 and the latest one is 1.21.3
2025-02-03 16:19:14	halloy8003	why in the world has my nickname not changed
2025-02-03 16:19:19	halloy8003	test