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2024-10-27 21:29:47	--	Topic set by TkTech on mer., 19 mai 2021 21:14:27
2024-10-27 21:30:01	rom1504	https://logs.rom1504.fr/ back up
2024-10-27 21:30:23	emneo	Oh nice, thx :)
2024-10-27 21:32:07	pokechu22	Thanks
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2024-10-30 13:30:57	--	Topic for #mcdevs is "A haunt for developers working on projects related to Minecraft | Website & Rules: http://wiki.vg/MCDevs/rules | Wiki: http://wiki.vg | Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13 https://logs.rom1504.fr/"
2024-10-30 13:30:57	--	Topic set by TkTech on mer., 19 mai 2021 21:14:27
2024-10-30 13:30:57	--	Channel #mcdevs: 70 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 69 normals)
2024-10-30 13:30:57	--	Channel created on mer., 19 mai 2021 14:40:13
2024-10-30 13:30:57	--	URL for #mcdevs: https://wiki.vg
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2024-10-30 14:05:03	botifico	[McUpdates] Minecraft snapshot 24w44a has just been published to the launcher!
2024-10-30 14:12:13	botifico	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 24w44a:
2024-10-30 14:12:16	botifico	[Burger] Diff from 1.21.3: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.21.3_24w44a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.21.3_24w44a.json)
2024-10-30 14:12:18	botifico	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w44a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w44a.json)
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2024-10-30 16:35:16	ddevault	new side project: https://redacted.moe/f/9cdaa975.png
2024-10-30 16:35:20	ddevault	also hi, it's been a while
2024-10-30 17:00:15	lassipulkkinen	hi! it might interest you to know that i was also working on a minecraft client in hare back in 2023. i actually only found out about truecraft a bit after i started that.
2024-10-30 17:02:39	ddevault	nice :)
2024-10-30 17:03:01	lassipulkkinen	i kinda got disillusioned with it because i wanted to focus on performance more and the lack of simd support etc. was going to get in the way of that.
2024-10-30 17:03:12	ddevault	truecraft has been dead for 8 years and I figured it was time to give it another go
2024-10-30 17:03:23	ddevault	this screenshot is day 4 :D
2024-10-30 17:03:57	ddevault	curious about your client in hare, got a link?
2024-10-30 17:05:27	lassipulkkinen	it isn't public but i suppose i could send you the code anyway if you'd like. it isn't clean room tho, so if you're still doing that it might be a problem
2024-10-30 17:06:42	ddevault	here's my code so far https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/betamine
2024-10-30 17:06:51	ddevault	I am curious to see your code, I'm relaxing my cleanroom principles a bit this time
2024-10-30 17:07:13	ddevault	I intend to reverse engineer the terrain generator and that'll definitely dispense with any clean room ideas
2024-10-30 17:07:51	ddevault	bbl
2024-10-30 17:55:31	ddevault	back, still curious lassipulkkinen :)
2024-10-30 18:54:03	lassipulkkinen	ddevault: i'm home now, having a look at the repo. there's some uncommitted crap there, got to figure out what's going on with that first.
2024-10-30 18:58:40	lassipulkkinen	nvm, looks like i just did git reset without --hard.
2024-10-30 19:00:23	lassipulkkinen	i'll reset the commit history since i don't have time to go though all of it to make sure it's publishable
2024-10-30 19:08:57	ddevault	lassipulkkinen: nice
2024-10-30 19:35:35	lassipulkkinen	trying to make sure there are no dependencies on random unmerged patches...
2024-10-30 19:56:34	lassipulkkinen	ddevault: i think i found a compiler bug...
2024-10-30 19:56:54	lassipulkkinen	it complains about an abort at the end of a function: Expression with result 'never' may not be followed by additional expressions
2024-10-30 19:57:41	ddevault	lassipulkkinen: share the relevant code?
2024-10-30 19:59:18	lassipulkkinen	trying to isolate the problem...
2024-10-30 20:03:17	lassipulkkinen	oh, i'm dumb :/
2024-10-30 20:03:52	lassipulkkinen	it was preceded by a loop that always returns, and the compiler got smarter
2024-10-30 20:04:21	lassipulkkinen	so the "expression with result 'never' was the loop, not the abort it was pointing at.
2024-10-30 20:04:28	lassipulkkinen	oop, unbalanced quote
2024-10-30 20:07:18	lassipulkkinen	oh, and now the same compiler feature found an infinite loop bug :)
2024-10-30 20:34:54	lassipulkkinen	status update: it compiles now, but i get an abort about invalid utf-8. it seems like it's trying to print a stack trace but failing. maybe that's because i'm linking with libc?
2024-10-30 20:47:17	ddevault	I can't do much to help without seeing the code
2024-10-30 20:49:19	lassipulkkinen	yeah, i wasn't really asking for help. the utf-8 thing turned out to be one of those dependencies on unsubmitted patches that i temporarily ignored when updating things. the json parser was handling unicode escapes incorrectly.
2024-10-30 20:50:07	lassipulkkinen	(yes, i'll submit that patch, but i'll include the patched version in the tree for now.)
2024-10-30 20:58:50	lassipulkkinen	it's working now. i'll do some final cleanup.
2024-10-30 21:15:10	ddevault	sweet
2024-10-30 21:18:06	ddevault	few more meshes for me https://redacted.moe/f/1a05e156.png https://redacted.moe/f/d395b735.png
2024-10-30 21:22:25	pokechu22	Hmm, what's going on with the inside face of the doors? Doors are transparent blocks so they should use the same light level they'd use if air, but it looks like you might be treating them as if light doesn't pass through and the inside is light level 0
2024-10-30 21:23:03	pokechu22	though that doesn't explain why they're only dark for the ones with blocks next to them - I think beta used a light value per block and not a light value per face
2024-10-30 21:25:23	pokechu22	(it's also possible that my mental model of how it worked in beta is wrong; after all it's been a decade :P)
2024-10-30 22:04:32	ddevault	what's happening is a bug with my lighting
2024-10-30 22:04:39	ddevault	which I have duly noted and shall fix :)
2024-10-30 22:11:21	ddevault	oh and beta did use a light value per face, not per block
2024-10-30 22:15:54	pokechu22	Hmm, I must be thinking of something else then. The main thing I'm thinking of is the somewhat weird behavior with slabs and stairs when the block below them is lit but the area above them is in darkness - the entire voxel for the slab/stair would be lit up, but the rest of the space would remain in darkness
2024-10-30 22:37:05	Processus42	I've always thought this was a rendering issue. Was is a lighting propagation issue?
2024-10-30 22:37:52	pokechu22	I think in F3 the light level was 14 in the slab and 0 outside of the slab (kinda the inverse of the thing that happens with soul sand), but I'm not 100% sure
2024-10-30 22:39:04	pokechu22	There were related lighting propagation quirks where e.g. if you built a wall of slabs or stairs, light wouldn't pass through it (even if there's a hole through it). That was convenient for mob spawners. Nowadays there's dark glass of some sort that does that instead, and stairs/slabs propagate lighting in a more sensible way
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2024-10-31 01:53:35	lassipulkkinen	ddevault: it's up now, at last: https://git.pulk.fi/hacraft.git
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2024-10-31 08:51:46	ddevault	lassipulkkinen: nice! I'll check it out
2024-10-31 08:57:34	ddevault	not bad lassipulkkinen, you got pretty far
2024-10-31 10:07:14	lassipulkkinen	ddevault: thanks, i guess :) as i said in the readme i'm not really satisfied with it; if/when i end up making a client again, i'll do things pretty diffierently.
2024-10-31 10:07:20	lassipulkkinen	*differently
2024-10-31 10:08:05	ddevault	mm
2024-10-31 10:09:57	lassipulkkinen	looking at your code though, given that you've split things into lots of modules, block, item, etc, i do wonder how you intend to handle cases where you'd need to refer to blocks from the item modules, etc. i'm sure you know what you're doing, but this kind of approach would definitely make me pretty anxious.
2024-10-31 10:10:22	ddevault	I'm prepared to reorganize/refactor as necessary when the time comes
2024-10-31 10:11:05	ddevault	I'm also mostly using the block/item modules (for example) as stores of data moreso than logic, game logic will end up in engine (for things like "use bed item => place bed blocks")
2024-10-31 10:11:13	ddevault	but yeah, the topology of the modules is something I'm keeping carefully in mind
2024-10-31 10:13:13	lassipulkkinen	yeah, i generally find it easier to refactor when i start with fewer modules. i later worked on a minecraft server in c; i tried to split the networking code into a module that could be reused by the server, client, proxy etc., and the result was pretty disastrous.
2024-10-31 10:13:47	ddevault	I think planning your module topology is an underrated (and less obvious) skill in Hare
2024-10-31 10:13:54	ddevault	something I'd like to think about how it can be made easier
2024-10-31 10:17:48	lassipulkkinen	about the game logic/data split: sure, though you could still have block-related data that needs to refer to items, vice versa etc. so just one data module for everything, then?
2024-10-31 10:27:10	ddevault	block-related data for things like drops? e.g. mining stone gives cobble?
2024-10-31 10:27:22	ddevault	or mining beds gives the bed item, more aptly
2024-10-31 10:27:37	ddevault	these relationships will live in the game logic module
2024-10-31 10:27:43	ddevault	but we'll see, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it
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2024-10-31 10:31:54	lassipulkkinen	seems kinda arbitrary that e.g. hardness would fall into one category and drops into another. i guess the line between game logic and data is kind of fuzzy. any logic is data when it's structured enough. :)
2024-10-31 10:32:10	ddevault	haha
2024-10-31 10:32:19	ddevault	well, we'll seee
2024-10-31 10:32:20	ddevault	see*
2024-10-31 10:32:30	ddevault	I might merge block/item into one module later on, the item module doesn't even exist yet
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2024-10-31 10:32:54	ddevault	it is also possible (but annoying) to resolve dependency loops in hare
2024-10-31 10:33:01	ddevault	with forward declarations, done it before on complex projects
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2024-10-31 17:35:42	ddevault	progress pics for today https://redacted.moe/f/d8110b7b.png https://redacted.moe/f/5bda2928.png
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2024-10-31 22:46:00	lassipulkkinen	i'll hijack the Pre-release Protocol page for a bit to document the changes from 1.21.1-1.21.3. seems like a good idea to do that first before moving on to the snapshots.
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2024-11-01 02:25:10	lassipulkkinen	does anyone know why ByteBufCodecs.holderSet exists? seems very baffling. why would they need to allow both numeric and string ids?
2024-11-01 02:25:57	lassipulkkinen	(this is documented as Block Set in Slot Data, but it's used in other places too so I guess it needs to be added to Data Types)
2024-11-01 02:37:30	lassipulkkinen	ah the string is a tag ID? the code was very obtuse.
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2024-11-05 15:46:21	emneo	that terrain generation is really nice, good job on that :)
2024-11-05 15:47:08	emneo	or is it loaded from an actual beta terrain?
2024-11-05 15:59:48	ddevault	that's just a vanilla beta 1.7.3 map
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2024-11-06 15:02:17	botifico	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 24w45a:
2024-11-06 15:02:18	botifico	[Burger] Diff from 24w44a: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_24w44a_24w45a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_24w44a_24w45a.json)
2024-11-06 15:02:20	botifico	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w45a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w45a.json)
2024-11-06 15:05:02	botifico	[McUpdates] Minecraft snapshot 24w45a has just been published to the launcher!
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2024-11-07 20:39:32	Hypericats	Hello, does anyone know I can find an enchantment registries list
2024-11-07 20:39:43	Hypericats	I looked in the data generators and couldn't find it
2024-11-07 20:40:15	Hypericats	I need the mappings from enchantment id to a name
2024-11-07 20:41:16	Hypericats	under the enchantments component in slot data, https://wiki.vg/Slot_Data it says that it uses an enchantment registry
2024-11-07 20:42:59	pokechu22	It should be in the data generators as minecraft:enchantment
2024-11-07 20:43:17	pokechu22	(I tried looking for enchantments and didn't find it, but then I found it when looking for looting)
2024-11-07 20:45:45	Hypericats	in the registries.json?
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2024-11-07 20:48:46	pokechu22	Yes
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2024-11-07 20:49:04	lassipulkkinen	they're offline
2024-11-07 20:49:34	lassipulkkinen	but i think they're defined in data packs now so not listed in datagan
2024-11-07 20:49:45	lassipulkkinen	*gen
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2024-11-07 20:52:41	pokechu22	ah, yeah, I'm looking at data from 24w03a since that's the one I had on hand
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2024-11-07 20:53:04	Hypericats	I found jsons in the data/enchantment folders for every enchantment but there are no IDs
2024-11-07 20:56:59	lassipulkkinen	as i said to pokechu22 while you were offline, i think they're defined by data packs now. if that's true, then the server should be sending them in Registry Data packets. there doesn't appear to be documentation on thte wiki though.
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2024-11-07 22:08:22	Hypericats	Ok so the enchantment data is sent along the Registry Data S2C Packets?
2024-11-07 22:08:39	Hypericats	And the https://wiki.vg/Registry_Data doesn't document this
2024-11-07 22:09:09	pokechu22	That's what it sounds like, yes
2024-11-07 22:09:20	Hypericats	However it says that if the data pack sent in the server bound known packs contains already contains the information
2024-11-07 22:09:24	Hypericats	it wouldn't send it
2024-11-07 22:09:49	Hypericats	and that default pack is minecraft:core:{version}
2024-11-07 22:10:25	Hypericats	Is there a data generator for that?
2024-11-07 22:12:52	Hypericats	would you happen to know in what class they are set in the vanilla source code?
2024-11-07 22:14:33	lassipulkkinen	if they're in the known packs then only the ids are sent, not the data. but those are what you wanted anyway, i guess.
2024-11-07 22:15:27	lassipulkkinen	the default data pack is in the client jar at /data.
2024-11-07 22:15:45	Hypericats	yeah I just need a mapping from int to the name
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2024-11-07 22:20:50	Hypericats	I've extracted the client jar the only datapacks are bundle and trade_rebalance
2024-11-07 22:21:20	Hypericats	There is an enchantment directory but with json files for all enchantments but there are no IDs
2024-11-07 22:23:31	Hypericats	Nevermind, the IDs are in alphabetical order
2024-11-07 22:23:39	Hypericats	I should be able to get all of them
2024-11-07 22:24:35	lassipulkkinen	the ids are not necessarily alphabetic; they're what the server sends in Registry Data.
2024-11-07 22:25:36	lassipulkkinen	idk if the vanilla server sorts them alphabetically anyway, but it's probably better to do what the vanilla client does.
2024-11-07 22:27:06	Hypericats	Do you know where the normal client reads in byte buffers?
2024-11-07 22:27:20	Hypericats	Because all I could find was some magic with packet codecs
2024-11-07 22:27:36	Hypericats	Not the actual class reading the packets
2024-11-07 22:27:38	lassipulkkinen	in what context?
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2024-11-07 22:52:49	Hypericats	Are the block sets stored in the data generators?
2024-11-07 22:52:51	Hypericats	If so where?
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2024-11-08 20:24:59	Hypericats	Hello sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone know where the block sets for the Tool Component are stored?
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2024-11-08 20:57:01	lassipulkkinen	you mean tags?
2024-11-08 20:58:13	lassipulkkinen	those are in the data pack at data/minecraft/tags. the format is documented on minecraft wiki, i think.
2024-11-08 20:59:45	Hypericats	It says blocksets here https://wiki.vg/Slot_Data#Block_Set
2024-11-08 21:00:57	lassipulkkinen	yes, it can be defined by either an id list directly (in which case you don't need to look them up elsewhere), or a tag (which you get from the datapack)
2024-11-08 21:01:10	Hypericats	alr thanks
2024-11-08 21:02:32	Guest42	Does anyone know if it's possible to reference the camera location from inside an entity vertex shader, in a vanilla minecraft resource pack?
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2024-11-08 21:04:47	pokechu22	I have no idea how Minecraft handles shaders, but I'd expect the vertex shader to know the camera location based on the view matrix (you might not have it as coordinates, but the view matrix represents it). Unless opengl has some fixed-function stuff that replaces the vertex shader (but I'm pretty sure it's the other way around). I've done too much Vulkan stuff lately to know for sure though
2024-11-08 21:06:03	lassipulkkinen	i haven't looked into how vanilla shaders work though i've used glsl in general. it's possible that it only gets a model*view*projection matrix as input, which would make it non-trivial to reverse-engineer the camera position, you'd need to know the fov etc. but it's probably documented on minecraft wiki?
2024-11-08 21:09:02	lassipulkkinen	ok, it does seem like non-post processing shaders get ProjMat and ModelViewMat separately. 
2024-11-08 21:10:15	lassipulkkinen	though i guess you'd need to know the model position to get the camera position from that
2024-11-08 21:10:53	Guest42	Thanks, I think the vertex positions are with respect to the origin of the world, if I remember correctly
2024-11-08 21:12:05	lassipulkkinen	i doubt that. you don't normally do 64-bit float math on gpus, so the precision loss would be pretty bad far away from the origin. i think bedrock actually suffers from this, but java doesn't
2024-11-08 21:13:07	lassipulkkinen	so they probably pick an origin at the middle of the chunk loading area or something, offset the coordinates around that, then convert to 32-bit.
2024-11-08 21:13:48	lassipulkkinen	there's also ModelOffset for terrain shaders, i guess so they don't need to rewrite verticies when the origin moves.
2024-11-08 21:14:45	Guest42	Probably, I'm not sure why I thought it used the world origin
2024-11-08 21:16:21	lassipulkkinen	so yeah it doesn't seem like there's any way to get world coordinates, even though i think they could easily provide it without hurting performance in cases where it's not used.
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2024-11-08 21:28:28	Guest42	I'd go check, but my minecraft installations are in a 13GB zip file and I'm not particularly keen on unzipping it lol
2024-11-08 21:45:36	lassipulkkinen	you can partially unzip though, unlike with tar.
2024-11-08 21:51:29	Guest42	oh yea, I could do that, I think I'm just going to write my own client instead though
2024-11-08 22:57:07	bswartz	lassipulkkinen: You can partially untar too. It's just slower because you have to read the whole tar file to do it
2024-11-08 23:29:00	lassipulkkinen	yes, that's what i meant.
2024-11-08 23:30:18	lassipulkkinen	i put my termux home dir in a tar file on a vps when switching phones, and it's pretty painful to get anything from there.
2024-11-08 23:54:41	Guest42	is anyone else writing their own minecraft client?
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2024-11-09 15:22:03	Guest50	Hello, I'm trying to write my own client for version 1.20.4/protocol version 765, and everything works fine until the configuration phase, where the server just sends a registry data packet (0x05) and then does nothing else. I'd expect the server to send a finish configuration packet (0x02) but it never does. Does anyone know if I am missing any
2024-11-09 15:22:04	Guest50	packets?
2024-11-09 15:57:22	lassipulkkinen	yeah, i'd expect it to send finish config afterwards. maybe you're splitting packets incorrectly? registry data is probably the first large packet you'll receive so it's very possible there's a bug.
2024-11-09 15:59:47	lassipulkkinen	speculating because this comes up often: when reading data from the socket, are you handling cases where minecraft packet boundaries don't line up with the buffers you get from the os?
2024-11-09 16:01:44	lassipulkkinen	so in this case the finish config could be in the same buffer as the end of registry data.
2024-11-09 16:02:05	Guest50	I am handling that case
2024-11-09 16:02:17	Guest50	I just tried sending 0x02 to the server and it worked though
2024-11-09 16:02:50	lassipulkkinen	then there's probably still a bug though.
2024-11-09 16:03:10	lassipulkkinen	does the end of your registry data packet perhaps look like a finish config?
2024-11-09 16:03:24	Guest50	I'll check hold on
2024-11-09 16:03:51	Guest50	Yes, it does, 02 00 02
2024-11-09 16:04:37	lassipulkkinen	i assume that's the format with compression enabled?
2024-11-09 16:04:41	Guest50	Yes
2024-11-09 16:05:02	Guest50	Ahh, I know why it is not working, my code waits till there are 4 bytes (maximum varint length) before actually reading it
2024-11-09 16:05:31	Guest50	I'll just have to change it to wait for each byte when parsing that length varint, thanks :)
2024-11-09 16:05:38	lassipulkkinen	the max length is actually 3 bytes for the length field, and 5 bytes for other varints.
2024-11-09 16:07:29	Guest50	ah ok, that's what I thought originally but the wiki.vg example code for parsing varints uses 4 bytes as the maximum for some reason
2024-11-09 16:07:48	lassipulkkinen	does it?
2024-11-09 16:08:09	Guest50	oh hold on
2024-11-09 16:08:34	Guest50	no it doesn't I didn't look at the rest of it, it uses 5 bytes as the maximum
2024-11-09 16:08:58	lassipulkkinen	yes, position is incremented by 7
2024-11-09 16:09:02	Guest50	yep
2024-11-09 16:10:12	lassipulkkinen	and this may not be too relevant for a client, but reading from a socket byte-by-byte is pretty slow, so it would be better to read fixed-size buffers and then parse the packets from those. easier to mess up, though.
2024-11-09 16:11:48	Guest50	Yeah I'm only waiting byte-by-byte for the length varints, although I suppose I could just wait for 3 bytes as long as compression is enabled as the minimum length should be 3 in that case I believe
2024-11-09 16:13:12	lassipulkkinen	yes. but most packets are small so you end up doing very small reads anyway. really you'd want multiple small packets in one buffer. but again, it's not as critical for a client.
2024-11-09 16:14:22	Guest50	I'm using a custom circular buffer implementation which is fed with data from a websocket
2024-11-09 16:14:30	Guest50	so I do end up with multiple small packets in a buffer
2024-11-09 16:14:43	Guest50	I'm not doing small reads from a socket
2024-11-09 16:14:58	lassipulkkinen	ah, so you did have a user-space buffer.
2024-11-09 16:15:10	lassipulkkinen	websocket though?
2024-11-09 16:15:53	Guest50	yeah, I have a proxy running which proxies tcp to a websocket
2024-11-09 16:16:05	Guest50	I'm writing this in clientside javascript
2024-11-09 16:16:43	lassipulkkinen	sure.
2024-11-09 16:43:37	Guest50	Are bundle delimiters serialized like this 02 00 00?
2024-11-09 16:44:34	Guest50	(with compression enabled)
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2024-11-09 17:19:43	lassipulkkinen	i think so, yes.
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2024-11-09 17:24:18	Guest76	ok, is there any reason I would get sent a packet with length 0?
2024-11-09 17:32:37	Guest76	never mind, forgot to account for a varint length
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2024-11-09 19:13:21	QnA	Hi all
2024-11-09 19:13:50	QnA	Where can I find previous protocol specification
2024-11-09 19:13:53	QnA	On wiki.vg
2024-11-09 19:14:12	QnA	Like older ones for older versions
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2024-11-09 23:02:02	Guest72	Does anyone know how to format basic unsigned chat messages?
2024-11-09 23:03:01	Guest72	Can I just put anything in for the salt?
2024-11-09 23:07:03	lassipulkkinen	this is a question that has come up before; it didn't matter too much what values you use, but i don't remember the details.
2024-11-09 23:07:19	lassipulkkinen	i was supposed to document this on the wiki but forgot.
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2024-11-09 23:11:30	Guest72	ok, another thing then is on the wiki it's unclear if the timestamp for chat messages is in seconds or miliseconds
2024-11-09 23:13:29	lassipulkkinen	i think that was irrelevant for unsigned messages too.
2024-11-09 23:13:38	Guest72	ah
2024-11-09 23:13:47	Guest72	and what about for commands?
2024-11-09 23:14:02	lassipulkkinen	same thing.
2024-11-09 23:14:40	lassipulkkinen	or at least i wouldn't expect it to be different.
2024-11-09 23:51:46	Guest72	Also I'm a bit confused about the numbers next to the Array and String types here https://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&oldid=19208#Chat_Command do those mean the array has to be 8 long, and the string as to be 16 long? or is that just the maximum?
2024-11-09 23:52:18	pokechu22	For strings it's the maximum
2024-11-09 23:53:21	pokechu22	Looks like it's the same for arrays. "Array of argument signatures" is Array (8) but uses the length from Array length before (which mentions "The maximum length in Notchian server is 8."); Signature is Byte Array (256) and the text says "Always 256 bytes and is not length-prefixed."
2024-11-09 23:53:57	Guest72	I see, thanks
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2024-11-12 14:16:49	TkTech	After more than 10 years, wiki.vg will sunset on November 30th. I suggest merging content you're interested in keep updated onto the main Minecraft wiki. Full content, history, and image backups will be made available on archive.org's wikiteam on the 30th with the final snapshot for anyone interested in hosting a copy, and wiki.vg will redirect to
2024-11-12 14:16:49	TkTech	this backup.
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2024-11-12 14:33:26	ddevault	TkTech: would you accept offers to take over responsibility for its hosting and upkeep?
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2024-11-12 17:52:04	pokechu22	Isn't there a license conflict between wiki.vg and the main Minecraft wiki (by-sa vs by-nc-sa)?
2024-11-12 18:28:43	lassipulkkinen	also, there are useful pages like Protocol FAQ that wouldn't really fit on Minecraft Wiki.
2024-11-12 18:40:38	TkTech	You're free to host a complete copy, go nuts.
2024-11-12 18:41:34	TkTech	There's a guide on the mediawiki wiki on how to import the backups
2024-11-12 18:42:17	TkTech	Basically just import the xml and unpack the zip with images
2024-11-12 18:43:41	lassipulkkinen	would be cool to keep the same domain though.
2024-11-12 18:44:50	TkTech	ddevault: no, it would be a PIPEDA breach for me to hand over the user database. Like I said above it's easy enough to import all the content and there's a github repo to deploy with the plugins
2024-11-12 18:45:19	TkTech	http://github.com/tktech/wiki.vg
2024-11-12 18:46:55	TkTech	lassipulkkinen: sure would, but I won't hand over a domain with high trust when I don't plan to be involved at all. Happy to link to any new sites that pop up. 
2024-11-12 18:54:49	TkTech	pokechu22: typically no issue with simply stating on the page that it falls under a different license
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2024-11-13 00:24:39	magmaus3	TkTech: would migrating the existing data to a wiki farm (like miraheze) be a viable option?
2024-11-13 00:29:52	magmaus3	nvm
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2024-11-13 01:22:42	TkTech	FYI, https://tkte.ch/articles/2024/11/11/sunsetting.html
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2024-11-13 02:00:30	AndrewPH	Rip
2024-11-13 02:01:13	AndrewPH	thanks for hosting it for so long tk! Folks have been using it for classicube clients and servers for ages
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2024-11-13 04:11:32	TkTech	The content will live on, looks like the official wiki wants to merge it - https://minecraft.wiki/w/Minecraft_Wiki:Forum/Wiki.vg_merge
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2024-11-13 05:39:01	zml	damm, end of an era. thanks for everything over the years tk! 
2024-11-13 06:11:08	botifico	[wiki.vg] 112batman starred wiki.vg - https://github.com/112batman
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2024-11-13 15:02:17	botifico	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 24w46a:
2024-11-13 15:02:20	botifico	[Burger] Diff from 24w45a: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_24w45a_24w46a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_24w45a_24w46a.json)
2024-11-13 15:02:23	botifico	[Burger] Full data: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w46a.html (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/24w46a.json)
2024-11-13 15:05:02	botifico	[McUpdates] Minecraft snapshot 24w46a has just been published to the launcher!
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2024-11-16 10:05:02	ddevault	I officially have a client and not just a world renderer :)
2024-11-16 10:05:15	ddevault	https://redacted.moe/f/0a835592.png these chunks loaded via the network
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