2021-05-19 22:34:45	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v pokechu22] par ChanServ
2021-05-19 22:42:51	TkTech	We've used IRC because it requires the minimum problem solving skills that keep this from turning into the minecraft forums.
2021-05-19 22:43:25	TkTech	Don't think we'll change anytime soon, especially not to slack (severe free plan restrictions) or discord.
2021-05-19 22:43:52	TkTech	Possible future options look like Matrix or Zulip down the road.
2021-05-19 22:43:55	camotoy	What about to this new libera.chat?
2021-05-19 22:44:03	bswartz	Question is whether people move to libera.chat or stay on freenode
2021-05-19 22:44:08	camotoy	I've never heard of Zulip, but I'd put in a vote for Matrix.
2021-05-19 22:46:08	Geolykt	Neither did I hear about Zulip, but I'm a newcomer to all this stuff
2021-05-19 23:08:10	simon816	Not heard of Zupip before. Matrix has a lot of momentum behind it (or it did do last I looked)
2021-05-19 23:09:20	Geolykt	Matrix has been consistently well known, so my assumption would be that it is more stable
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2021-05-19 23:17:59	TkTech	#mcdevs is available on Libera, for now this channel will also remain open, lets see how it goes this week.
2021-05-19 23:29:12	offbeatwitch	matrix is a bit of a pain, I think just moving IRC servers would be OK
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2021-05-19 23:58:50	bixilon	Zulip is trash, So much electron, alsways crashes everything else on my phone. Also you'd have to register. Matrix has the same problem. IRC is fine (for me)
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2021-05-20 04:55:17	wizards	might help to bridge the channels, since not everyone will want to switch
2021-05-20 05:13:15	nickelpro	Unless there's some degredation in functionality of Freenode I don't really see the value in it. IRC is already high barrier to entry, no big deal popping in two channels to try to get a question answered
2021-05-20 05:25:12	x10A94	it's more of a "do you want to support hostile takeovers of networks" sort of thing
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2021-05-20 19:12:04	<--	eyJhb (~eyJhb@unaffiliated/eyjhb) a quitté #mcdevs ("see you on libera :)")
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2021-05-20 20:48:49	eris	Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now 
2021-05-20 20:49:23	Geolykt	please go away and don't advertise stuff
2021-05-20 21:00:48	eris	Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now!
2021-05-20 21:02:14	eris	Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now!
2021-05-20 21:04:48	eris	Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now!
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2021-05-21 02:49:36	chibill	Technically #mcdev is already on matrix :P Thru the Matrix Bridge.
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2021-05-21 09:52:15	Not-4ecb	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JsXAp
2021-05-21 09:52:17	Not-4ecb	[mineflayer] u9g f6eab29 - Release 3.7.0
2021-05-21 09:52:44	Not-4ecb	[mineflayer] github-actions[bot] tagged f6eab29 as 3.7.0 https://git.io/JsXxf
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2021-05-21 12:01:02	bixilon	Does anybody know a method to compare 2 minecraft jars (in bytecode and see the differences)?
2021-05-21 12:27:23	Sainan	bixilon, I wouldn't know an elegant method, but I guess you could extract all their bytes and put them in files which contain every byte followed by a newline, then simply use the diff CLI tool to get a byte diff.
2021-05-21 12:27:55	Sainan	btw., this channel _has moved_ over to irc.libera.chat, still being #mcdevs over there.
2021-05-21 13:14:41	bixilon	ok ,ty. 
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2021-05-21 17:33:15	wizards	*officially* moved over?
2021-05-21 17:34:04	chibill	It moved? Well that sucks, I can't get onto irc.libera.chat from Matrix yet and I am not about to run my own IRC Bouncer again
2021-05-21 17:34:20	Geolykt	I think both should work in the meantime
2021-05-21 17:36:37	wizards	wiki.vg does not reflect the change
2021-05-21 17:37:11	wizards	imo, we should keep both and bridge them together
2021-05-21 17:37:18	chibill	Honestly I am with like 1/2 the freenode people of that the policies haven't changed at all yet so theres no reason to panic.
2021-05-21 17:37:57	Geolykt	neither is the channel topic within the liberachat #mcdevs accurate concerning the publicly logged statement
2021-05-21 17:40:13	chibill	And a concern mentioned on the Libera Chat website makes no sense, this new group that took over / is taking over freenode has access to just usernames, (hopefully salted) hashed passwords  and maybe emails.  Nothing that freenode staff didn't already have full access to. 
2021-05-21 17:42:32	chibill	Most larger opensource community channels are turning to OFTC as a possible alternative to Freenode. Mostly because its not some random new IRC network that just showed up.
2021-05-21 17:42:46	wizards	that's reasonable
2021-05-21 17:48:10	offbeatwitch	i'm not actually seeing any activity in the libera #mcdevs so I dunno how moved it really is lmao
2021-05-21 17:48:37	wizards	it exists and is owned by someone with the same nick as TkTech, but it is very inactive
2021-05-21 18:00:45	+Fador	< Tk*antiping*Tech> #mcdevs is available on Libera, for now this channel will also remain open, lets see how it goes this week.
2021-05-21 18:01:31	wizards	okay good, not an impostor
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2021-05-21 18:19:41	Geolykt	the hostname also matches up
2021-05-21 18:22:55	Byteflux	More open source communities have adopted Libera rather than OFTC so I'd disagree with the previous statement. OFTC not much larger than Libera at the moment and OFTC's userbase is largely concentrated around 3-4 communities.
2021-05-21 18:23:43	wizards	that's surprising, given libera didn't exist until 2~3 days ago
2021-05-21 18:24:47	Geolykt	I have also concerns about the adoption of libera
2021-05-21 18:25:14	Byteflux	Yeah, it's been interesting to watch. I'm in over open source project 20 channels on Freenode and almost every one of them have at least established a presence on Libera. None of them are on OFTC.
2021-05-21 18:25:26	Byteflux	over 20 open source project channels*
2021-05-21 18:25:53	Geolykt	I think those who are on freenode moved on to Libera, those who were on OFTC stayed there
2021-05-21 18:26:01	wizards	"at least established a presence" is kind of broad. that would include this channel, even, wouldn't it?
2021-05-21 18:26:32	Byteflux	Yeah. Most of them have a "wait and see" attitude as far as I can tell. Some have definitely moved.
2021-05-21 18:30:30	Byteflux	Adoption has been generally good, though. ##rust has 600 on freenode but almost 300 on libera. #python has 1500 on freenode, 400 on libera.
2021-05-21 18:30:57	wizards	how many have set up bridges?
2021-05-21 18:31:29	Byteflux	None that I'm in, that I can tell.
2021-05-21 18:32:30	wizards	none of them are worried about fragmentation?
2021-05-21 18:33:00	Byteflux	Doesn't seem that way.
2021-05-21 18:34:06	Byteflux	I'd guess IRC is resistant to that kind of thing, it's just another network you join in the same client.
2021-05-21 18:34:53	wizards	well, when less than 50% of the users bother...
2021-05-21 18:35:57	Byteflux	Probably likely the majority are just idling through a bouncer or similar and unaware of current events :P
2021-05-21 18:36:03	Geolykt	I wouldn't join too many channels/networks as right now it takes my clients a few seconds to connect to them all, and I'm only in 20-ish channels. So from a user perspective, I might just decide to stay in the channel that is pleasant
2021-05-21 18:36:37	Byteflux	I'd say the vast majority of users connected to any IRC server are idle clients on a server.
2021-05-21 18:37:19	Geolykt	I support this
2021-05-21 18:37:52	wizards	there's also people on libera who intend to delete their accs on freenode, or stop connecting to freenode
2021-05-21 18:38:36	Geolykt	that's a bit extreme ...
2021-05-21 18:39:06	chibill	Still annoying that everyone is freaking out when so far nothing has changed.
2021-05-21 18:39:27	chibill	Its like if when Microsoft bought Github all over again.
2021-05-21 18:39:36	Geolykt	I mean sure, the intentions are noble but then there isn't too much that is concerning right now that would justify that to that extent
2021-05-21 18:39:43	Byteflux	Doubt that'll happen in any significant numbers. I'd actually be surprised if Libera manages to double its current size. It's impressive how big it got in the first couple of days, but really as long as new management does absolutely NOTHING to change Freenode, most people aren't going to care, I bet.
2021-05-21 18:40:37	Byteflux	Then again, infrastructure/maintenance and the quality entailed also heavily relied on the old staff, so maybe that'll deteriorate.
2021-05-21 18:40:45	Geolykt	Even then, most users will only notice the changes in a few months when they look at the logs for the first time in years
2021-05-21 18:41:00	Byteflux	But from a political perspective, the best thing new management could do to retain users is to simply do nothing.
2021-05-21 18:43:46	Byteflux	chibill: It's not so much about what's changing than it is about how the new management came into power.
2021-05-21 18:44:16	Byteflux	I do actually believe this is a hostile takeover, but I'm skeptical much would change.
2021-05-21 18:46:18	Byteflux	I've been on Freenode for almost 2 decades now. I'd much sooner trust the collective word of the former staff who resigned over this than the new guy who seized power.
2021-05-21 18:54:38	chibill	I wouldn't trust someone that resigned instead of standing up for what Freenode is / was. 
2021-05-21 18:58:55	Byteflux	The option was evaluated but legal fees to challenge ownership of assets would've been significant with poor outcomes.
2021-05-21 18:59:27	Byteflux	Not to mention it's unreasonable to expect volunteers to commit to that.
2021-05-21 18:59:59	chibill	Considering that its been several years since this whole thing technically started they could have had plenty of time to get donations or something going to deal with it.  
2021-05-21 19:00:29	Byteflux	It hasn't been several years. The severity of it only became known in the past few days.
2021-05-21 19:00:58	Byteflux	It was believed everything was cool until very recently.
2021-05-21 19:05:55	chibill	Several years since the guy bought or what not freenode as Freenode Ltd, which gave him the control over freenode. Just no one really cared till he wanted to change something.
2021-05-21 19:06:32	Byteflux	Sure, in hindsight you could say they were all naive to believe the sale was innocent.
2021-05-21 19:06:39	Byteflux	But that's a whole other issue.
2021-05-21 19:07:15	Byteflux	Benevolent dictators are just a bad idea.
2021-05-21 19:08:13	chibill	Honestly I could care less as nothing has changed and from the look of it no bad changes are coming.
2021-05-21 19:09:58	Byteflux	In a way, all this drama pretty much ensured that the new owner has to tread carefully and avoid making "bad changes" because he's in the spotlight now.
2021-05-21 19:12:19	barneygale	IRC networks don't run themselves. They've lost all their technical staff.
2021-05-21 19:12:36	Byteflux	Yeah, agreed. The deteriorating infrastructure is something to consider as well.
2021-05-21 19:12:41	barneygale	It's pretty clear he's going at this for commercial gain - hence adding advertising to the freenode homepage for his VPN company
2021-05-21 19:12:52	Byteflux	People underestimate the amount of quality work that went into maintaining Freenode.
2021-05-21 19:12:57	chibill	You mean worse deterioring then it is already? 
2021-05-21 19:13:04	barneygale	Yes
2021-05-21 19:13:43	Byteflux	Freenode is now officially a business.
2021-05-21 19:13:58	barneygale	Yeah, and it shouldn't be. Should be in the hands of a non-profit.
2021-05-21 19:14:00	Byteflux	Some, if not many, open source communities are going to take an issue with that too.
2021-05-21 19:14:41	Byteflux	Commercial interests are going to dictate the network's future.
2021-05-21 19:14:46	barneygale	^ exactly
2021-05-21 19:15:42	barneygale	The guy is former CFO of mt gox. What else do you need to know? :D
2021-05-21 19:16:11	Geolykt	never heard of that ... thing, whatever it is
2021-05-21 19:16:28	barneygale	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox
2021-05-21 19:16:51	chibill	Welp, I can't be on libre what ever irc due to Matrix not having a bridge yet. :( I stopped running my own ZNC install about 4 years ago and use Matrix as a free and easy to use alternative.
2021-05-21 19:18:19	Byteflux	Matrix is working on a bridge in cooperation with the Libera staff. Just a bit slow because the staff is overwhelmed setting up a new network, or so it goes.
2021-05-21 19:20:31	Byteflux	Apparently the "crown prince" thing is an actual claim to royal heritage lol
2021-05-21 19:20:43	Byteflux	I'm part Korean myself and never heard of this :P
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2021-05-21 19:23:37	Killua	Hello, anyoneonline?
2021-05-21 19:24:18	Byteflux	nope
2021-05-21 19:24:33	Killua	:(
2021-05-21 19:25:50	Geolykt	yep, absolutely noone online
2021-05-21 19:26:53	Byteflux	we're all bots
2021-05-21 19:27:18	Killua	Clever bots
2021-05-21 19:27:43	Geolykt	pretty simple ones actually, just some grep commands
2021-05-21 19:28:52	wizards	just use the --sentient-regexp flag
2021-05-21 19:29:42	--	Killua est maintenant connu sous le nom Gigiu
2021-05-21 19:31:07	Gigiu	Some smart grep based bot can link me something to extract the blocks (I want to recunstruct the player point of view) from a pcap network dump?
2021-05-21 19:31:42	Geolykt	Error
2021-05-21 19:32:21	Byteflux	are there tools already built for that? would be neat
2021-05-21 19:32:31	Gigiu	I tried to use this one https://github.com/aresrpg/minecraft-dissector but seems to display only packet length and packet id
2021-05-21 19:32:32	Byteflux	would assume you'd need/want something to read the file with libpcap or similar
2021-05-21 19:32:50	Gigiu	Yeah exactly Byteflux
2021-05-21 19:32:56	barneygale	Gigiu: you can't do that unless you're running in offline mode, or you mod the client/server
2021-05-21 19:33:04	barneygale	The protocol is encrypted
2021-05-21 19:33:09	chibill	^ due to encryption
2021-05-21 19:33:22	Gigiu	Yes, but my client has the key for sure
2021-05-21 19:33:32	barneygale	That's fine then :D
2021-05-21 19:33:41	Gigiu	Otherwhise I cannot see the blocks on the client netiher :P
2021-05-21 19:34:15	Gigiu	btw even for many public servers I think it isn't encrytped (I can read the chat in cleartext)
2021-05-21 19:34:16	barneygale	If you're already modding the client, why do you need to recover the blocks from a pcap?
2021-05-21 19:34:31	chibill	I was once working on a bouncer that would let two clients connect as one user to a server and allow you to hot swap between the two as of who is controlling it.  
2021-05-21 19:34:57	barneygale	If those servers aren't using encryption then they can't verify who owns which account.
2021-05-21 19:35:04	barneygale	Encryption and online-mode are tied together.
2021-05-21 19:35:21	Byteflux	Yeah curious why it *has* to be pcap. Couldn't you build something directly into the application layer?
2021-05-21 19:35:22	bswartz	chibill: That can absolutely be done, but it's a heavy lift
2021-05-21 19:35:39	bswartz	I have sketched out how much work that would be and decided against it
2021-05-21 19:35:53	barneygale	I started working on a similar thing once - ZNC for MC https://github.com/barneygale/minebnc
2021-05-21 19:36:11	bswartz	I just have a simple proxy and a standalone client, and the proxy is able to dump decrypted packets
2021-05-21 19:36:36	barneygale	Why employ a proxy if you've already got a custom client?
2021-05-21 19:37:02	bswartz	The proxy allows me to directly observe the behavior of a real client so I can mimic it better
2021-05-21 19:37:05	chibill	<bswartz "chibill: That can absolutely be "> I know xd i have partly done it once already. Just never finished before of MC updates and school
2021-05-21 19:37:44	barneygale	bswartz: just bear in mind the server will need to be in offline mode if you want to observe the unencrypted traffic of the native client. 
2021-05-21 19:38:21	bswartz	barneygale: That's not true at all. You just have to use the same auth in all clients related to the same connection
2021-05-21 19:38:21	barneygale	One way you can do this is by having a proxy that *listens* in offline mode, but *connects* in online mode. But the proxy itself needs a fair whack of logic to make that work
2021-05-21 19:38:25	Gigiu	No, can't be something different from pcap because I can only dumpt hat
2021-05-21 19:38:31	Gigiu	*that
2021-05-21 19:38:40	barneygale	bswartz: wdym?
2021-05-21 19:38:55	chibill	Or you use a proxy that acts as a server and client and listen in the middle
2021-05-21 19:39:24	bswartz	If you have a hypotethical bouncer keeping a connection open to the server that multiple clients can share, it can work in online mode as long as each client is using the exact same account
2021-05-21 19:39:56	barneygale	bswartz: it can, but it won't be able to read any traffic past the initial handshake, and therefore can't preserve state between connections.
2021-05-21 19:40:00	chibill	I think we are getting mixed up between two converstations.
2021-05-21 19:40:03	chibill	xD
2021-05-21 19:40:28	bswartz	The challenge is that writing such a bouncer involves a huge amount of logic, mimicing significant portions of what standalone server and a standalone client have to do
2021-05-21 19:40:43	chibill	Gigiu look at https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/blob/master/examples/proxy_hide_chat.py you can use the same concept to look at any packet. 
2021-05-21 19:41:19	chibill	https://quarry.readthedocs.io/en/latest/networking/writing_proxies.html
2021-05-21 19:41:46	bswartz	I'm saying I've proved that it's possible -- I just haven't carried through the effort to allow the client to disconnect and reconnect, because it requires the proxy to be MUCH more stateful
2021-05-21 19:42:33	barneygale	Again, you can't have a stateful proxy that only has access to the ciphertext. The client part of the proxy *must* work in online mode to connect to real servers.
2021-05-21 19:42:35	bswartz	The proxy performs a MITM style attack on the encryption so it can view the plaintext packets going in both directions
2021-05-21 19:42:50	barneygale	Show me the code bro
2021-05-21 19:43:01	barneygale	If what you're saying is true you've broken minecraft authentication
2021-05-21 19:43:08	bswartz	Yeah I'm saying it does the decryption
2021-05-21 19:43:22	bswartz	No I think you're missing some crucial point
2021-05-21 19:43:35	chibill	....
2021-05-21 19:43:38	barneygale	It can't perform the decryption without the symmetric key, and you can't compute the symmetric key from observing the traffic
2021-05-21 19:43:45	bswartz	Maybe the confusion is the connection between the client and the proxy. That might be what you'd call "offline" mode
2021-05-21 19:43:49	barneygale	That's why it uses PKI to enchange the symmetric key.
2021-05-21 19:44:17	bswartz	Yes I have to use 2 symmetric keys. One for Server<->Proxy and one for Proxy<->Client
2021-05-21 19:44:35	barneygale	Sure. But then your proxy needs to auth with the session server etc
2021-05-21 19:44:43	bswartz	Yes it does that
2021-05-21 19:44:44	chibill	I am getting so confused, and I think I caused it with my comment about my project I was working. 
2021-05-21 19:44:51	barneygale	Then we're arguing in agreement :)
2021-05-21 19:44:57	Gigiu	Thanks @chibill
2021-05-21 19:45:03	bswartz	Okay
2021-05-21 19:45:27	chibill	I would thank barneygale xD Its his python library :p 
2021-05-21 19:45:44	bswartz	Anyways, once you have such a proxy, it's possible to evolve it to allow clients to disconnect and reconnect while the server side connection remains continuous
2021-05-21 19:45:55	barneygale	Sorry that library is a bit old fashioned (based on twisted) - I have an asyncio rewrite
2021-05-21 19:46:02	bswartz	However doing that correctly requires maintaining significantly more state in the proxy than is otherwise necessary
2021-05-21 19:46:20	barneygale	How do you do it without maintaining state in the proxy?
2021-05-21 19:46:45	barneygale	I have an implementation here that retains state in the proxy so that it can re-send chunks (etc) when clients connect: bswartz: https://github.com/barneygale/minebnc
2021-05-21 19:46:47	bswartz	If you sync up the lifetime of both connections, and the proxy is mostly a passthru
2021-05-21 19:47:08	barneygale	OK. The client connects to the proxy. How does it get inventory? blocks? entities?
2021-05-21 19:47:12	bswartz	Yes that is awesome!
2021-05-21 19:47:13	chibill	<barneygale "Sorry that library is a bit old "> I like it still, haven't found a better one that doesn't require me doing alot more heavy lifting (Cough Cough pyCraft Cough Cough). 
2021-05-21 19:48:02	bswartz	The proxy connects to the server immediately after receiving a client connection and after performing the handshakes on both sides, begins directly proxying packets
2021-05-21 19:48:30	bswartz	Mine is less powerful than it sounds like yours is
2021-05-21 19:48:34	barneygale	> the server side connection remains continuous
2021-05-21 19:48:41	bswartz	But it still serves my purpose
2021-05-21 19:48:44	barneygale	But it connects to the server when the client connects?
2021-05-21 19:48:45	bswartz	No I don't do that
2021-05-21 19:48:50	barneygale	Ah sure
2021-05-21 19:48:54	bswartz	I'm saying in principle I could, but it's a lot more work
2021-05-21 19:49:03	barneygale	I get you! Sorry for misunderstanding
2021-05-21 19:51:02	barneygale	I have a rewrite using asyncio and minecraft-data here, but it's not ready yet https://github.com/barneygale/quarry-ng
2021-05-21 19:51:14	barneygale	async UDP support in Python is kind of basic, and I want to add Bedrock support
2021-05-21 19:53:37	chibill	Twisted does work with aysncio natively (supposedly) I have never tried it.
2021-05-21 19:54:58	chibill	I have also only ever used anything like asyncio in NodeJS for a college class, so I have no idea what its even good for compared to just normal functions.
2021-05-21 19:56:51	barneygale	The nice bits are the native language support. In twisted you could do weird things with `@inlineCallbacks` and `yield`, but Python 3.5 added much more comprehensive language support
2021-05-21 19:57:42	barneygale	e.g. here's the entire server-side login process in a single method, with `await` used to wait for async tasks: https://github.com/barneygale/quarry-ng/blob/main/quarry/pc/server.py#L14
2021-05-21 19:58:21	chibill	Like I said I have never touched any asyncio stuff other the NodeJS for a class. Really weird and doesn't always act the way it should even following its own documentation.
2021-05-21 20:01:01	chibill	Like I don't get the having to wait for stuff to resolve using a loop of some sorts vs just calling a function and waiting for it to run. 
2021-05-21 20:09:46	barneygale	The different is more important on a server. If you had a blocking method like `wait_for_packet()`, that would prevent _any_ processing of any other clients' connections
2021-05-21 20:10:58	barneygale	Traditionally you'd solve this with a thread per client (so the `wait_for_packet()` only blocks the current client), but it's not necessarily scalable. And in Python it's a no-go because of something called the 'global interpreter lock', which prevents Python code running in two threads simultaneously
2021-05-21 20:11:21	chibill	I hate the GIL xd its a pain sometimes 
2021-05-21 20:12:03	barneygale	Yeah. So you need to do _some_ sort of async coding in python to make things work. at it's most basic that's a `select()` loop
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2021-05-21 23:07:41	bixilon	I am also looking for a proxy. Can anybody recommend one? I don't want to code anything, ... Just use it
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2021-05-22 00:58:10	rom1504	bixilon: https://github.com/Heath123/pakkit
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2021-05-22 13:51:13	bixilon	rom1504: electron haha, but thanks anyway, looks pretty useful. 
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2021-05-22 14:41:04	-->	alexykot (51bb78eb@235.120.187.81.in-addr.arpa) a rejoint #mcdevs
2021-05-22 14:45:45	alexykot	Hi all, can someone help me with data generators? I'm writing a custom MC server, and I need to export data about item stackability and max stack size, for every item. I can't find this kind of data in the output of default generators, but maybe I missed it.
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2021-05-22 17:00:22	bswartz	He popped in to ask as question and then left before anyone could answer
2021-05-22 17:00:58	Geolykt	how could one blame him, he waited for more than 15 minutes!
2021-05-22 17:01:10	bswartz	This is an easy problem to solve. alexykot, ping me when you come back
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2021-05-22 17:41:14	-->	alexykot (51bb78eb@235.120.187.81.in-addr.arpa) a rejoint #mcdevs
2021-05-22 17:42:43	alexykot	yeah, sorry, I didn't time that well, had to go soon after I asked it :(
2021-05-22 17:44:12	bswartz	alexykot: Do you know how to deobfuscate the server binaries?
2021-05-22 17:44:33	alexykot	nope, I'm not a Java dev unfortunately
2021-05-22 17:45:26	bswartz	Okay you'll want to do the same steps I do here: https://github.com/bswartz/McShapeExtract
2021-05-22 17:45:49	bswartz	Read the README there for an example of how to obtain a deobfuscated jar
2021-05-22 17:46:34	alexykot	yep, I see that, thanks
2021-05-22 17:46:40	bswartz	Then you can just run a simple Java program like this:
2021-05-22 17:46:46	bswartz	public static void main(String[] args) {
2021-05-22 17:46:46	bswartz	  for (Item item : Registry.ITEM) {
2021-05-22 17:46:46	bswartz	     System.out.printf("%s %d %d\n", item.toString(), item.getMaxStackSize(), item.getMaxDamage());
2021-05-22 17:46:46	bswartz	  }
2021-05-22 17:46:46	bswartz	}
2021-05-22 17:46:50	alexykot	hmm, README mentions 1.16.3, will this work for 1.16.5?
2021-05-22 17:47:14	bswartz	Yeah there were no changes other than bug fixes, so the extracted data will be idential
2021-05-22 17:47:27	bswartz	Although you can update it to work with any jar
2021-05-22 17:47:27	alexykot	ok, cool, I'll give it a go, thanks
2021-05-22 17:48:33	bswartz	If youdon't have an IDE that auto imports for you you'll need these 2 imports:
2021-05-22 17:48:38	bswartz	import net.minecraft.core.Registry;
2021-05-22 17:48:39	bswartz	import net.minecraft.world.item.Item;
2021-05-22 17:49:04	alexykot	hmm, ok
2021-05-22 17:49:55	bswartz	Hope you have some luck, I'm off to get lunch. If you get stuck I can just send you the output of that program
2021-05-22 17:51:27	alexykot	it's dinner time already where I am :) I'll probably be doing this tomorrow, but thanks anyway, I'll message if I'll get stuck
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2021-05-22 19:32:30	bixilon	alexykot take a look at pixlyzer, it can extract almost all items
2021-05-22 19:32:49	bswartz	He left the channel again
2021-05-22 19:32:57	bixilon	oh, bruh :P
2021-05-22 19:33:07	bswartz	bixilon: What do you mean "almost all"? Why not all?
2021-05-22 19:33:15	bixilon	There is sooo much data
2021-05-22 19:33:19	bixilon	I can't extract all
2021-05-22 19:33:29	bixilon	I'd like to extract every enum
2021-05-22 19:33:37	bswartz	But you can get basic info about every item right?
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2021-05-22 19:33:41	bixilon	sure
2021-05-22 19:33:49	bixilon	also shapes, ids, tint colors, etc
2021-05-22 19:33:51	bixilon	https://gitlab.bixilon.de/bixilon/pixlyzer
2021-05-22 19:34:09	bixilon	And stackotter wrote a wip entity model extractor for 1.16.5
2021-05-22 19:34:09	bswartz	Yeah some of the crazier features are hard to treat consistently across every item
2021-05-22 19:35:18	bswartz	Blockstates are the worst. Some of them have hardcoded behavior
2021-05-22 19:35:24	bixilon	yes
2021-05-22 19:35:28	bixilon	#SoTrue
2021-05-22 19:35:39	bixilon	I need to create a class for most of them, so horrible
2021-05-22 19:35:51	bixilon	(in minosoft, my client that uses those data)
2021-05-22 19:36:15	bixilon	but fun fact: PixLyzer can even extract the tint colors for spawn eggs :P
2021-05-22 19:36:36	bswartz	bixilon: Do you have a good solution for initializing the tags before doing your extraction?
2021-05-22 19:36:48	bixilon	tags = tags?
2021-05-22 19:37:01	bswartz	Some calculations require the tags to be initialized, like calculating break time with a tool
2021-05-22 19:37:08	bixilon	No, I am not extracting them (yet), because I make client development and the server sends the tags to me
2021-05-22 19:37:12	bixilon	But yes, it is horrible
2021-05-22 19:37:25	bswartz	If you call those methods directly, you get exceptions because they rely on tags, which haven't been loaded
2021-05-22 19:37:47	bixilon	Tried it, because they introduced mining tags in 21w19a, but couldn't get it to work and it only crashed.
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2021-05-22 19:38:27	bswartz	Yeah stuff like blocks that are fast to mine with swords or shears (cobweb, leaves, etc) are based on block tags
2021-05-22 19:38:42	--	apple est maintenant connu sous le nom Guest92972
2021-05-22 19:38:47	bixilon	After 21w19a or before?
2021-05-22 19:38:57	bswartz	1.16.x
2021-05-22 19:39:15	bixilon	before it was just a check in the miningspeed return value that had a check included for cobwebs
2021-05-22 19:39:36	bixilon	I acutally never really looked at tags, so no clue :P
2021-05-22 19:39:49	--	Guest92972 est maintenant connu sous le nom turtius
2021-05-22 19:40:04	bswartz	My code blows up unless I do a bunch of work to initialize things
2021-05-22 19:40:26	bswartz	I think I'm using a different method of loading the deobfuscated jar than you are though
2021-05-22 19:40:28	bixilon	haha, I can image this, probably also mojangs bad for their partly shitty code
2021-05-22 19:40:38	bixilon	But I use so many shit reflections, etc to extract the data
2021-05-22 19:41:07	bixilon	I am deobfuscating it in a python script and that scripts starts mine with minecraft in the class path
2021-05-22 19:41:18	bswartz	As long as it works
2021-05-22 19:41:57	bixilon	oh, you use string plussing instead of a json lib :P
2021-05-22 19:41:58	bixilon	hell
2021-05-22 19:42:40	bswartz	In Java, json libraries are terrible
2021-05-22 19:42:44	bixilon	really?
2021-05-22 19:42:55	bixilon	Ever looked at moshi? 
2021-05-22 19:42:57	bixilon	https://github.com/square/moshi
2021-05-22 19:43:05	bswartz	Sadly yes. Java does not lend itself to easy json
2021-05-22 19:43:06	bixilon	But gson is also kind of okay
2021-05-22 19:43:44	bixilon	but I agree, Pyton, ts and js is far better in json handling
2021-05-22 19:44:36	bixilon	But I must admit, I almost "hate" java now. I am only using kotlin now, it is so much cleaner, cooler, faster and easier
2021-05-22 19:46:24	bswartz	I use Go for new projects.
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2021-05-22 20:34:08	x10A94	lmao both your names are same length and same color on my client so I thought it was just one dude talking to themselves for some reason
2021-05-22 20:41:50	bixilon	lmao
2021-05-22 20:53:15	bswartz	My nick is blue and bixilon's is purple. You're green x10A94
2021-05-22 20:53:40	Geolykt	For my client it is almost the same but bixilon is red
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2021-05-22 23:23:15	bixilon	@Mojang: Thanks for 21w19a, I really like the tag system. The old one was...old. Currently reversing it...
2021-05-22 23:23:35	bixilon	(regarding mining)
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2021-05-23 00:43:10	TkTech	If anyone is adventurous and has Matrix, can you try to join #mcdevs:tkte.ch?
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2021-05-23 04:22:46	camotoy__	Is there ever an instance where the click window packet sends the item for the shift click mode?
2021-05-23 04:22:49	--	camotoy__ est maintenant connu sous le nom camotoy
2021-05-23 04:23:28	camotoy	Additionally, it sounds like it'll be irrelevant for 1.17? :P Though who knows when that'll be out, so, gotta fix bugs when you can.
2021-05-23 04:24:51	+pokechu22	As in, if you shift-click an item and the item in that slot is not empty in the packet?  Maybe it'd happen if you try to shift-click an item but the other inventory is full so it doesn't go anywhere, but I'm not sure
2021-05-23 04:25:18	camotoy	Hmm, OK.
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2021-05-23 17:49:20	bswartz	Shift clicking items is a bear to deal with. Every case I've seen, the item does get transmitted. Calculating what happens in response requires pretty complex logic though
2021-05-23 17:50:09	camotoy	Yeah, I'm finding that out myself. :(
2021-05-23 17:50:45	camotoy	I'm working on a client - right now in place of a shift click inventory transaction, we just send two left clicks.
2021-05-23 17:51:09	bswartz	Yeah in my custom client I avoid ever using shift click unless I can rule out the complex cases occuring
2021-05-23 17:51:19	camotoy	Problem is, because those packets have the item in them, if a plugin uses ProtocolLib to modify the item, it freaks out before the second left click can process.
2021-05-23 17:51:25	bswartz	Multiple left clicks is slower but less error prone
2021-05-23 17:53:04	camotoy	*it being the server in this case.
2021-05-23 18:16:18	bswartz	You should wait for the server to acknowledge your clicks on the client side
2021-05-23 18:17:39	bswartz	It's normal for the server to do weird things in response to client click requests, so the client is required to stop and wait to see what the server does after each click. If you don't do this, and the server does anything unexpected by the client, then very shortly the client will send incorrect information and the server will veto the operation
2021-05-23 18:20:34	bswartz	The client is able to do guess what a vanilla server would do, and should update its own state based on that expectation. But servers can and often do override that with and update that either confirms the vanilla behavior, or else changes the behavior to something different. In both cases the client must accept the servers alternate update
2021-05-23 18:56:37	camotoy	That was our plan.
2021-05-23 18:56:49	camotoy	But in 1.17 they're dropping the action/sync IDs.
2021-05-23 18:57:11	camotoy	As far as I know, the client just sends its packet now.
2021-05-23 19:31:05	bswartz	Oh! I haven't investigated 1.17 yet
2021-05-23 19:31:14	bswartz	1.16 is annoying but tolerable
2021-05-23 19:32:37	bswartz	Are we getting close to a 1.17 "release", or do we still have a lot of snapshots left?
2021-05-23 19:33:13	camotoy	It feels like they're winding down and adding more bug fixes than features. Though the Warden isn't available yet.
2021-05-23 19:33:18	Geolykt	There will likely be a few snapshots till release but I don't think it is more
2021-05-23 19:33:37	Geolykt	I don't think that they have added any larger features within the last snapshots
2021-05-23 19:34:13	bswartz	Right but they could keep tweaking network protocol if there are too many bugs
2021-05-23 19:34:26	bswartz	Ordinary users wouldn't see that, but we would
2021-05-23 19:34:37	bixilon	yah, but still some features missing
2021-05-23 19:34:45	bixilon	(otherwise it'd be the same as 1.15)
2021-05-23 19:34:49	bixilon	with only bees
2021-05-23 19:35:04	bswartz	Stuff like that prevents me from investing too much time looking at the protocol changes until a final release is established
2021-05-23 19:35:04	bixilon	But 1.18 should be "bigger"
2021-05-23 19:35:05	Geolykt	I see that they are aiming for exactly that
2021-05-23 19:35:27	bixilon	bswartz: They havn't changed much in the last snaps, only in 08a
2021-05-23 19:35:46	bixilon	(regarding protocol)
2021-05-23 19:36:12	Geolykt	Didn't the timeout change or something lately?
2021-05-23 19:36:28	bixilon	in 21w19a they added ping and pong packets, yes
2021-05-23 19:36:30	bswartz	Are they keeping the 4k chunk height limit in the network protocol, even if the game continues to limit build height to 256?
2021-05-23 19:36:42	bixilon	yes
2021-05-23 19:37:03	bswartz	Oy, that's going to be a lot of work to adjust to
2021-05-23 19:37:13	Geolykt	The protocol max height has to be left intact due to the datapack
2021-05-23 19:37:15	bixilon	it is variable, you check in the current dimension for its height
2021-05-23 19:37:33	bixilon	it actually pretty easy to adjust (in my case)
2021-05-23 19:37:58	camotoy	The ping/pong packet isn't actually used in the server from what I could tell.
2021-05-23 19:38:25	bixilon	I am just responding when getting a ping with a pong, but not checked it
2021-05-23 19:38:26	camotoy	But it seems that the client treats it the same way as the keep alive packet.
2021-05-23 19:38:31	camotoy	Yeah, same.
2021-05-23 19:38:43	bixilon	what is the purpose of the new packet?
2021-05-23 19:38:51	camotoy	./shrug
2021-05-23 19:39:06	bixilon	I mean it is the same as heartbeat, but with an int instead of an long
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2021-05-23 23:36:07	bixilon	Anybody know how minecraft is handling sound? I mean regarding memory. Are they loading it, playing it and then instantly unloading it or are they keeping it in memory once loaded, ...
2021-05-23 23:51:43	+pokechu22	I think most files are loaded into memory and kept there, but the ones in the streaming folder aren't (which is music I think).  But the streaming folder was a thing in the old assets format so I don't know how it works now...
2021-05-23 23:54:51	+pokechu22	Uh, checking the sounds.json file ( https://launchermeta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest.json -> https://launchermeta.mojang.com/v1/packages/436877ffaef948954053e1a78a366b8b7c204a91/1.16.5.json -> https://launchermeta.mojang.com/v1/packages/3a5d110a6ab102c7083bae4296d2de4b8fcf92eb/1.16.json -> "minecraft/sounds.json": {"hash": "eba408d95e5cbb92a37f31524aaf7e4100302af6", "size": 286593} ->
2021-05-23 23:54:53	+pokechu22	https://resources.download.minecraft.net/eb/eba408d95e5cbb92a37f31524aaf7e4100302af6 ) there's a `"stream": true` entry on some sounds.  I assume the rest are loaded once.
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2021-05-24 14:01:21	bixilon	Yah, Ik the `sounds.json`, but never noticed the stream entry. Thanks :)
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2021-05-24 14:09:00	bixilon	Ah, the format is well documented
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2021-05-24 23:59:16	bixilon	Anybody know why I get an `IllegalArgumentException`: Access Token can not be null or empty. When trying to login with a ms account? The same code works for mojang accounts. I am using the bearer token as accessToken. 
2021-05-25 00:00:45	bixilon	`{"accessToken":"ey.W1iJ9.6T8t-M","clientToken":"401d9b46-a0cb-4995-9073-f4aca4b48ee3"}` as Payload and I get `{"error":"IllegalArgumentException","errorMessage":"Access Token can not be null or empty."}` as Response. (accessToken redacted)
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2021-05-25 12:36:12	bixilon	It looks like the token is to long?
2021-05-25 12:50:09	bixilon	Okay, It looks like our documentation is wrong. I have my bearer token, but what should I do with it? How do I get my old cool session id?
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2021-05-25 18:35:30	greatgodoffire	Hey guys. I am writing a multi-version Minecraft server and now want to implement the play state. Is the Login Seqence (https://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F) for version 1.8 to 1.16 the same?
2021-05-25 18:36:15	Geolykt	Likely not as evident by https://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol_FAQ&diff=14961&oldid=14830
2021-05-25 18:39:00	greatgodoffire	Is that the only change? And for what protocol version was the change?
2021-05-25 18:39:21	Geolykt	there were a few more changes apparently
2021-05-25 18:41:11	greatgodoffire	Which ones? And is there a way of getting the protocol version for these?
2021-05-25 18:41:49	Geolykt	not really, there was an outdated information warning back in 2016 according to the edit logs
2021-05-25 18:42:26	Geolykt	actually, that was 2019
2021-05-25 18:44:16	Geolykt	actually, there was always such a warning until that got removed in 2019, so I was not totally wrong
2021-05-25 18:50:46	greatgodoffire	Is there anything I can do about that?
2021-05-25 18:52:18	Geolykt	Well, the actual protocol documentation is bound to have more information that was back then more up to date, though the exact version of change is always a bit concealed and supporting snapshot versions is in general futuile due to the poor documentation unless you really want to do such an enormous task
2021-05-25 18:54:27	greatgodoffire	Even if I dont support snapshots: How do I get the login sequence for the release versions?
2021-05-25 18:54:55	Geolykt	The revision history is your only hope
2021-05-25 18:55:20	Geolykt	Or you work if datagen tools, though I am not the guy for that (but others here are likely willing to help)
2021-05-25 18:55:38	greatgodoffire	Datagen tools?
2021-05-25 18:56:40	Geolykt	Tools that extract data out of the minecraft jars
2021-05-25 18:57:55	greatgodoffire	I would need to write them by myself, right?
2021-05-25 18:59:03	greatgodoffire	Are there any resources about that? And how do I make them support jars for multiple versions?
2021-05-25 19:17:55	bixilon	greatgodoffire: The login is the same, except in 6 1.13 snapshots. They changed the ids there, but I think you can ignore it. But in 1.13 login plugin message got introduced
2021-05-25 19:18:35	greatgodoffire	And the packets after the login? JoinGame and following?
2021-05-25 19:19:02	bixilon	yes
2021-05-25 19:19:16	bixilon	just the packets changed, but the sequence is the same
2021-05-25 19:21:56	greatgodoffire	Really? From 1.8 to 1.16?
2021-05-25 19:23:43	bixilon	yes
2021-05-25 19:24:02	bixilon	what should they have done different?
2021-05-25 19:25:26	bixilon	and there are already datagens, just look into the wiki
2021-05-25 19:25:37	bixilon	there is burger, pixlyzer, and some more
2021-05-25 19:25:50	greatgodoffire	Thank you. Awesome.
2021-05-25 19:26:19	bixilon	np
2021-05-25 19:28:23	bixilon	but if you really want to write a minecraft server, you'll be here a lot more (and prob. ask questions)
2021-05-25 19:40:15	greatgodoffire	In the Declare Recipes packet: How does the client know that there is data?
2021-05-25 19:42:01	bixilon	what do you mean?
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2021-05-25 19:44:24	greatgodoffire	There is the option data type, right? How does the client know if its something?
2021-05-25 19:44:55	bixilon	i dont understand
2021-05-25 19:45:23	bixilon	you read the number of recipes 
2021-05-25 19:46:11	greatgodoffire	Yes. But they have optional data and how does the client know that there is data?
2021-05-25 19:46:13	+pokechu22	It's optional because not all recipe types have additional data.  But those that do have additional data will always have it
2021-05-25 19:46:59	greatgodoffire	And how does the client know that there is data?
2021-05-25 19:47:08	bixilon	if you do minecraft keep in mind: the client knows all game logic and handles it, without waiting for the server to confirm it (mostly). The server is just verifying
2021-05-25 19:47:21	bixilon	it depends on the recipe type
2021-05-25 19:47:33	+pokechu22	Basically, look at the recipe types list below; if it says "None", then there is no data
2021-05-25 19:47:35	bixilon	Just scroll down a bit
2021-05-25 19:49:31	greatgodoffire	Ohhh. I thought that are the recipes. Thank you.
2021-05-25 19:49:40	bixilon	:P
2021-05-25 19:58:24	greatgodoffire	Were no recipes set before the Declare Recipes packet got added?
2021-05-25 19:59:51	+pokechu22	The declare recipes packet was added when the recipe book was added; before then, the client used a built-in list of recipes for prediction (though the server could manually set the output slot for custom recipes)
2021-05-25 20:00:47	greatgodoffire	And custom recipes were added with another packet?
2021-05-25 20:01:20	greatgodoffire	And which recipes does the Declare Recipes packet contain? All unlocked recipes?
2021-05-25 20:01:48	+pokechu22	In the past there was no packet that specifically handled custom recipes; set slot was used.  Now, declare recipes is used for... well, regular and custom recipes.  I'll need to check the unlocked part
2021-05-25 20:04:26	+pokechu22	Declare recipes is used with all recipes, even locked ones.  Unlock recipes is used to specify which recipes are unlocked (and also the current state of the recipe book)
2021-05-25 20:07:06	greatgodoffire	Ok thank you. I can leave it empty for now, right?
2021-05-25 20:07:16	bixilon	declare was added in 1.12 and changed in 1.13
2021-05-25 20:07:45	+pokechu22	Yeah, you can just leave it empty until you implement crafting
2021-05-25 20:09:54	greatgodoffire	One more question: The id of the clientbound Held Item Change packet was changed from 0x3d to 0x3e in protocol version 451 and in version 471 it was changed from 0x3d (again) to 0x3f. Is that a mistake?
2021-05-25 20:11:22	+pokechu22	The pre-release protocol pages are diffs from the most recent stable version, not from the previous pre-release version
2021-05-25 20:13:16	+pokechu22	(So, it's not a mistake; it's just indicating something different than what you thought)
2021-05-25 20:17:27	greatgodoffire	I am looking here: https://wiki.vg/Protocol_History
2021-05-25 20:20:04	+pokechu22	Oh, that might be a typo then... I'll double-check
2021-05-25 20:23:24	+pokechu22	19w08a removed use bed, which shifted a lot of packets back, but it just wasn't written in detail... I'll add it
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2021-05-25 20:25:32	+pokechu22	Here's the relevant changes: https://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Pre-release_protocol&type=revision&diff=14580&oldid=14575
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2021-05-25 20:32:46	+pokechu22	updated
2021-05-25 20:41:05	greatgodoffire	 Thank you.
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2021-05-25 21:46:47	norysq	hey guys :D I got a question about the changes made to the HeldItemChange (clientbound) packet with protocol version 332. The Packet-ID changed from 0x37 to 0x39, but it it did so with protocol version 318 as well. Were there any changes to the id between versions 318 and 332? I can't seem to find any changes back to id 0x37.
2021-05-25 21:52:47	bixilon	Here is an (active maintained!) json with all packets id starting from protocol id 0: https://gitlab.bixilon.de/bixilon/minosoft/-/blob/rendering/src/main/resources/assets/minosoft/mapping/versions.json
2021-05-25 21:53:07	bixilon	Use a json beautifier (like jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com) to beautify it
2021-05-25 21:58:04	norysq	thank you :D
2021-05-25 22:02:14	greatgodoffire	Do you have a specific structure in that json file?
2021-05-25 22:03:32	bixilon	yes
2021-05-25 22:04:31	bixilon	https://gitlab.bixilon.de/bixilon/minosoft/-/blob/rendering/doc/MinecraftVersions.md
2021-05-25 22:05:08	bixilon	Its not 100% uptodate, I use camel case now. And packet names are pretty stable, but i sometimes give them a better name. I'll update it shortly
2021-05-25 22:06:52	norysq	i assume s2c stands for server to (2) client?
2021-05-25 22:07:10	bixilon	yes sir
2021-05-25 22:07:27	bixilon	I switched (like yarn) from serverbound to s2c aka server to client
2021-05-25 22:09:21	norysq	wait so serverbound is server to client? not client to server?
2021-05-25 22:09:38	bixilon	yah
2021-05-25 22:09:44	bixilon	serverbound is c2s
2021-05-25 22:09:49	bixilon	sorry
2021-05-25 22:10:21	norysq	ok haha, scared me for a second.
2021-05-25 22:10:26	bixilon	haha 
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2021-05-25 22:15:12	norysq	ok so the id is determined by the order right? So the first packet has id 0x00 or am I missing something?
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2021-05-25 22:21:25	norysq	if my assumtion above is right then the id of the HeldItemChange (clientbound / s2c) did not change at protocol version 332, but in 318 to be 0x39
2021-05-25 22:21:43	norysq	only in 318
2021-05-25 22:23:18	bixilon	yes
2021-05-25 22:24:31	bixilon	I tested it with all major versions (and all newest snapshots) and it should work, I havn't tested it with 318 exactly (only If I was unsure, but it needs to be correct, I started in 1.7 and only added the changes and it is working now)
2021-05-25 22:24:41	bixilon	but if it is wrong, let me know
2021-05-25 22:25:09	norysq	the Protocol History shows a change from 0x37 to 0x39 with protocol version 332 and that confused me as 318 already did this change
2021-05-25 22:25:24	bixilon	hm
2021-05-25 22:26:19	norysq	and from the json file I see that it only changed in 318
2021-05-25 22:26:33	bixilon	than it probably only changed in 318
2021-05-25 22:26:41	bixilon	was it just moved or shifted?
2021-05-25 22:26:49	bixilon	i can test it
2021-05-25 22:27:00	bixilon	wait a sec
2021-05-25 22:27:07	norysq	k
2021-05-25 22:34:50	bixilon	332 is working fine and 317 also. I just get kicked in 318 because I am sending somehow bullshit, probably there have been changed in the protocol, but the mapping should be fine
2021-05-25 22:34:51	norysq	ok so 2 packets were squeezed before the HeldItemChange (clientbound) in 318. That caused the shift by 0x02. It was the Advancements packet and UnlockRecipes
2021-05-25 22:35:09	bixilon	But I don't really care about 1.12 snapshots
2021-05-25 22:35:17	norysq	just got the from the json
2021-05-25 22:35:43	bixilon	Do you want to support snapshots?
2021-05-25 22:35:48	norysq	yes
2021-05-25 22:35:58	bixilon	Why?
2021-05-25 22:36:23	bixilon	Sorry, but it is super dumb. I can understand to support the latest snapshots just because "you can", but older ones are a big mess
2021-05-25 22:36:42	bixilon	They lack on information and really nobody is using them
2021-05-25 22:37:08	norysq	i mean you got a point there
2021-05-25 22:37:25	norysq	would leave some gaps between the versions though
2021-05-25 22:37:27	bixilon	Yah, I also implemented all of them, at least they roghly work, and it took me months
2021-05-25 22:37:43	bixilon	the time was totally not worth it
2021-05-25 22:38:05	bixilon	I'd recommend: Focus on the gist, not some late 1990 shit snap
2021-05-25 22:38:51	norysq	yeah you're right
2021-05-25 22:41:38	norysq	tank you for your help man :D
2021-05-25 22:41:42	norysq	thank**
2021-05-25 22:41:48	bixilon	no problem
2021-05-25 22:42:02	bixilon	I sent u a private message
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2021-05-26 07:53:00	+ammar2	no redirect in the topic but you'll find an alternative to this channel on libera chat
2021-05-26 07:53:11	+ammar2	since apparently putting that in the topic now gets your channel banned and taken over on this network
2021-05-26 07:54:34	Sainan	haha, how amazing. kind of disappointed people are mostly chatting over here, still.
2021-05-26 07:55:36	+pokechu22	I'll add that info to https://wiki.vg/MCDevs
2021-05-26 07:58:15	+pokechu22	https://wiki.vg/index.php?title=MCDevs&diff=16643&oldid=14498
2021-05-26 08:24:13	chibill	I still can't move over due to Matrix still working on the Bridge
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