2018-08-01 04:28:14 -- Mode #mcdevs [+o tktech] par ChanServ 2018-08-01 04:28:26 -- Mode #mcdevs [-o tktech] par ChanServ 2018-08-01 05:04:19 tktech Everything should be working again on the wiki. Search index table was corrupted, rebuilt from the binary logs and disk migrated. 2018-08-01 05:21:36 <-- iso2013 (~iso2013@2601:281:c503:9186:f17b:96d:50fd:9882) a quitté (Quit: Bye :)) 2018-08-01 06:19:05 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 06:20:27 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-01 06:20:28 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-01 06:40:31 --> _123DMWM (~123DMWM@pool-100-0-169-59.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 07:44:14 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-01 07:45:03 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 09:01:10 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-01 09:01:31 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 09:21:14 <-- redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-01 09:22:46 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 09:33:27 +Amaranth pokechu22: I've seen those spammers on mozilla IRC too 2018-08-01 11:27:32 <-- SpaceManiac (~SpaceMani@2601:200:4400:ec::109f) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-01 11:31:27 <-- Mustek (~Mustek@steamdb/supporter/mustek) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-01 11:31:35 --> Mustek (~Mustek@steamdb/supporter/mustek) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 11:32:15 --> SpaceManiac (~SpaceMani@2601:200:4400:ec::10ad) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 11:32:16 -- Mode #mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] par ChanServ 2018-08-01 14:41:41 --> Techcable_ (znc@irc.techcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 14:48:26 <-- SinZ (znc@steamdb/source2-guru/sinz) a quitté (Disconnected by services) 2018-08-01 14:48:58 <-- chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-01 14:49:00 <-- Techcable (znc@irc.techcable.net) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-01 14:49:01 <-- r04r (r04r@unaffiliated/r04r) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-01 14:49:01 <-- Tux (~tux@unaffiliated/tux) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-01 14:49:25 --> Tux (~tux@unaffiliated/tux) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 14:50:44 --> SinZ_ (znc@steamdb/source2-guru/sinz) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 14:50:48 -- Mode #mcdevs [+v SinZ_] par ChanServ 2018-08-01 14:51:11 -- SinZ_ est maintenant connu sous le nom SinZ 2018-08-01 14:58:24 --> r04r_ (r04r@unaffiliated/r04r) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 16:34:21 --> dhruv0 (6880a873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.128.168.115) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 16:34:58 dhruv0 How do I determine the length of a Chat data type? 2018-08-01 16:35:20 dhruv0 Is it string.Length * 4 + 3? 2018-08-01 16:43:45 dhruv0 nvm found out what I was doing wrong 2018-08-01 16:43:52 <-- dhruv0 (6880a873@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.128.168.115) a quitté (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2018-08-01 16:51:38 Botched [VERSION] Minecraft Snapshot 18w31a has been released! 2018-08-01 16:52:46 <-- Byteflux (~byte@byteflux.net) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-01 16:53:21 --> Byteflux (~byte@byteflux.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 16:57:05 --> Black-Hole (~BlackHole@p200300E753D5D6000887CB5B72218DAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 17:11:55 <-- |Blaze| (~scott@184.70.189.74) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-01 18:00:17 Not-cab3 [Burger] New data now avaliable for 18w31a: 2018-08-01 18:00:18 Not-cab3 [Burger] Diff from 18w30b: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_18w30b_18w31a.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_18w30b_18w31a.json) 2018-08-01 18:00:20 Not-cab3 [Burger] Full data: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/18w31a.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/18w31a.json) 2018-08-01 18:22:42 <-- pokechu22 (~pokechu22@50.35.66.9) a quitté (Quit: rebooting pi) 2018-08-01 18:44:42 --> pokechu22 (~pokechu22@50.35.66.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 18:59:37 --> chibill_ (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 18:59:38 <-- chibill_ (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a quitté #mcdevs ("Be back later...") 2018-08-01 18:59:40 --> chibill_ (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 18:59:58 -- chibill_ est maintenant connu sous le nom chibill 2018-08-01 19:35:09 <-- fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a quitté (Quit: Too fl4shed to continue) 2018-08-01 19:35:28 Hafydd Wow, MC-37 finally popped off. 2018-08-01 19:35:39 --> fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 19:38:31 PolarizedIons .bug MC-37 2018-08-01 19:38:31 Botched [MC-37] Issue Does Not Exist 2018-08-01 19:38:36 PolarizedIons hmm 2018-08-01 19:38:38 Hafydd https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-73 2018-08-01 19:38:53 PolarizedIons ah, wrong number :P 2018-08-01 19:39:15 PolarizedIons noice :D 2018-08-01 19:40:58 Hafydd ...oh, yes, my mistake. 2018-08-01 19:56:51 <-- PolarizedIons (~Polarized@unaffiliated/polarizedions) a quitté (Quit: loses charge) 2018-08-01 19:57:04 --> PolarizedIons (~Polarized@unaffiliated/polarizedions) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 19:57:27 --> NickG365_ (~NickG365@cortex.starlabs.theflash.rocks) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 19:58:48 <-- NickG365 (~NickG365@cortex.starlabs.theflash.rocks) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-01 19:58:48 <-- m0r13 (~m0r13@2a01:4f8:201:8174:73:0:b00b:135) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-01 19:58:49 -- NickG365_ est maintenant connu sous le nom NickG365 2018-08-01 20:00:31 <-- iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-01 20:00:31 <-- kashike (kashike@unaffiliated/kashike) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-01 20:00:55 --> iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 20:14:22 --> kashike (kashike@unaffiliated/kashike) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 20:25:27 kashike tktech: HTTPS for wiki? <3 2018-08-01 20:32:07 pokechu22 https://letsencrypt.org/ 2018-08-01 21:25:49 <-- justJanne (kuschku@lithium.kuschku.de) a quitté (Quit: So, if you care to find me, look to the western sky. As someone told me lately, everyone deserves a chance to fly.) 2018-08-01 21:27:11 --> justJanne (kuschku@lithium.kuschku.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 21:47:01 <-- Not-cab3 (~notifico@ec2-52-3-50-241.compute-1.amazonaws.com) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-01 22:19:18 <-- iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-01 22:20:52 --> iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 22:24:19 <-- simon816 (~simon816@ec2-52-43-110-46.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) a quitté (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in) 2018-08-01 22:25:11 --> simon816 (~simon816@ec2-52-43-110-46.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-01 22:36:02 timmyRS Or you can put it behind cloudflare, who also provide free ssl, as well as some other perks. 2018-08-01 22:50:45 tktech Absolutely not. 2018-08-01 22:50:55 tktech Never use cloudflare. 2018-08-01 22:52:03 timmyRS May I ask why? 2018-08-01 22:53:06 tktech Can you really not see a problem? 2018-08-01 22:53:28 tktech "Hey that's a great fault-tolerant network you got there, be a shame if we put 30% of sites behind a single point of failure" 2018-08-01 22:53:39 tktech No true end-to-end encryption, so really no encryption at all 2018-08-01 22:53:51 tktech Multiple large scale bugs that have revealed sensitive information 2018-08-01 22:54:05 tktech Unwanted captchas and bot blocking 2018-08-01 22:54:35 tktech Constantly get blocked by multiple countries/organizations 2018-08-01 22:57:28 timmyRS No true end-to-end encryption: You can set SSL to "Full" which will require even your server to present a cert 2018-08-01 22:57:36 timmyRS Unwanted captchas and bot blocking: Can be disabled 2018-08-01 22:58:10 timmyRS But, yeah, putting much behind such a network might not be such a good idea, but still cheaper for smaller sites to have free ddos protection 2018-08-01 22:59:22 tktech > Are Cloudflare SSL certificates exportable? No 2018-08-01 22:59:26 tktech > Are Cloudflare SSL certificates shared? Yes 2018-08-01 22:59:54 tktech > Does Universal SSL use SNI breaking device and browser support? Yes (unless you use the paid service) 2018-08-01 23:00:29 tktech You realize that cloudflare's "end-to-end" is a complete lie right? 2018-08-01 23:00:44 tktech CloudFlare presents their own certificate to users, meaning they have full and complete access to its content 2018-08-01 23:01:26 +ammar2 well yeah, cloudflare doesn't really work if they can't deep inspect http traffic :D 2018-08-01 23:01:27 timmyRS Oh, that's what you mean. Of course it's not end-to-end. 2018-08-01 23:01:31 tktech They have to, the only way their service works is if they can rea--- 2018-08-01 23:01:44 tktech Right. 2018-08-01 23:02:03 timmyRS They provide many services which need them to modify the content, for example to minify it 2018-08-01 23:02:20 tktech Not even remotely difficult to do yourself. 2018-08-01 23:02:29 timmyRS Also, they get so much traffic, they can't keep track of requests from >3 hours ago 2018-08-01 23:02:36 rom1504 is it better to trust cloudfare than your provider ? 2018-08-01 23:02:51 rom1504 cloudfare can do whatever they want with their traffic 2018-08-01 23:02:59 timmyRS As I said, you have a point with trusting to much in one company. 2018-08-01 23:03:04 tktech Yes, I universally trust AWS more then CloudFlare. 2018-08-01 23:03:15 timmyRS But it's still a free & good provider for SSL, DDoS protection, etc. 2018-08-01 23:03:27 tktech Even if I didn't why add a secondary unnecessary point of failure. 2018-08-01 23:03:35 rom1504 so I meant the connection provider of people, like wifi provider and such 2018-08-01 23:03:41 tktech True SSL is already free. 2018-08-01 23:03:49 rom1504 which actually inject whatever in websites 2018-08-01 23:04:00 tktech DDoS protection is offered by practically every large hosting provider anywhere 2018-08-01 23:04:08 +ammar2 eh? not over ssl they can't 2018-08-01 23:04:24 rom1504 cloudfare is a man in the middle 2018-08-01 23:04:24 tktech ammar2, not technically true, other then with cert pinning. 2018-08-01 23:04:26 rom1504 so they can 2018-08-01 23:04:31 +ammar2 and you should always assume anything over http is being pinned 2018-08-01 23:04:33 +ammar2 err 2018-08-01 23:04:38 rom1504 in http connection provider can do anything 2018-08-01 23:04:39 +ammar2 mitm'd 2018-08-01 23:04:43 tktech In the USA ISPs have tricked users into install new CA's more then once so they can inject ads. 2018-08-01 23:04:56 tktech "Install our handy modem setup software!" 2018-08-01 23:04:58 +ammar2 tktech: aah yes 2018-08-01 23:05:02 rom1504 yes my point is http and cloudfare is not that different 2018-08-01 23:05:04 timmyRS lol 2018-08-01 23:05:15 tktech Anyways. 2018-08-01 23:05:29 tktech Point being, cloudflare is universally dangerous to the internet as a whole and should not exist. 2018-08-01 23:05:44 +ammar2 cloudflare is also very good at "marketing" 2018-08-01 23:05:44 timmyRS Obviously you have ddos protection at many providers, but your provider can only handle so much. Maybe you even have a traffic limit and cloudflare has edge caching. 2018-08-01 23:05:55 +ammar2 other providers are just as good at DDoS protection etc 2018-08-01 23:05:59 +ammar2 but cloudflare is known for it 2018-08-01 23:06:10 +ammar2 probably because of their free tier 2018-08-01 23:06:20 +ammar2 but akamai etc have taken way bigger attacks than them 2018-08-01 23:06:26 pokechu22 Doesn't cloudflare own 1.1.1.1 now? 2018-08-01 23:06:29 timmyRS Yes 2018-08-01 23:06:51 tktech You may be used to rubbish shared hosting providers 2018-08-01 23:07:20 tktech Any colo or large provider can easily handle DDoS's and most do transparently without intervention or marketing it. 2018-08-01 23:07:49 tktech Especially when their a true peering partner and can request blackholes further upstream. 2018-08-01 23:07:56 tktech *They're 2018-08-01 23:08:52 timmyRS Still, the caching is quite practical because otherwise my 2,50€ VPS would've crashed already: https://lava.st/91-nu.png 2018-08-01 23:09:23 tktech ... 2018-08-01 23:09:25 timmyRS I'm just very cheap ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 2018-08-01 23:09:36 tktech Right, you're selling out your users and security in exchange for a free service. 2018-08-01 23:09:40 tktech You and your users are the product. 2018-08-01 23:10:18 +ammar2 I use cloudflare because their dns interface is pretty but keep their proxying disabled ): 2018-08-01 23:10:54 timmyRS You might be going a bit too far with selling out my users. They don't inject ads and they couldn't possibly keep track of everyone. 2018-08-01 23:11:13 timmyRS But you're right in your doubts and I'd also rather have it all self-hosted but I fear that would be far more expensive. 2018-08-01 23:11:29 tktech Yeah sure, that's what they said about AT&T until court records revealed they were forced under gag order to pipe literally all traffic to the NSA. 2018-08-01 23:12:02 +ammar2 "they couldn't possibly keep track of everyone" 2018-08-01 23:12:06 tktech And tracking users requires far less resources then recording their traffic 2018-08-01 23:12:06 +ammar2 err, how do you know? 2018-08-01 23:12:25 tktech In fact cloudflare *does* track users, because its part of their bot score 2018-08-01 23:12:31 timmyRS The NSA might watch one way or the other but Cloudflare itself probably couldn't keep track and doesn't have much of an incentive to do so 2018-08-01 23:14:02 tktech I mean really, why do you think they offer such a free service? 2018-08-01 23:14:07 tktech Out of the goodness of their hearts? 2018-08-01 23:14:13 tktech It's to capture a market and sell the data 2018-08-01 23:14:23 timmyRS I think they promote their paid services using their free service 2018-08-01 23:14:47 timmyRS A free user who pays the $3 for Cloudflare access or $5 for more page rules is valuable enough, I reckon. 2018-08-01 23:14:52 tktech Yeah cause the guys that are using a free service in front of their $2 server are total upsell targets 2018-08-01 23:15:03 rom1504 "they couldn't possibly keep track of everyone." why, that's what all adtech networks do 2018-08-01 23:15:28 timmyRS Maybe keep track of everyone, sure, but not keep track of every single request 2018-08-01 23:16:21 +ammar2 how is that any less worse? lol 2018-08-01 23:18:14 timmyRS I don't know what they would even try to track. 2018-08-01 23:25:23 +ammar2 what do you mean? at the level they operate on, fingerprinting users is stupidly easy. They can track browsing habits and content 2018-08-01 23:25:33 +ammar2 eventually maybe sell to advertisers for lots of $$$ 2018-08-01 23:26:23 +ammar2 moreover they definitely do use it for keeping track of likely bot traffic like tk said 2018-08-02 01:19:52 tktech https enabled on the wiki, server updated, and daily dumps available at http://wiki.vg/dumps/ 2018-08-02 01:21:19 Hafydd Nice. 2018-08-02 01:21:30 Hafydd Now I can take a dump whenever I want. 2018-08-02 01:22:47 pokechu22 What's the difference between the dumps and Special:Export? Other than maybe usability? 2018-08-02 01:23:13 tktech By default nothing 2018-08-02 01:23:23 tktech That one includes uploads and expanded revision history tho 2018-08-02 01:23:33 tktech So you'll get things like images and image history 2018-08-02 01:24:00 pokechu22 "That one" being the dumps page? 2018-08-02 01:24:07 tktech Ah yes sorry, tired 2018-08-02 01:24:17 tktech Special:Export will be disabled eventually 2018-08-02 01:24:18 pokechu22 I remember special:export can do that too, but it's a pain because you have to manually list all the pages 2018-08-02 01:24:29 tktech Using the daily dump uses a lot less resources 2018-08-02 02:34:56 tktech pokechu22, to my understanding for special:export to do images on a page you have to list that page AND all the image pages AND all the templates manually 2018-08-02 02:35:20 tktech If you point it to one particular page it doesn't cascade 2018-08-02 02:45:39 pokechu22 Yeah, I recall that being the case 2018-08-02 05:46:00 <-- ThomasMonroe (Elite21420@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rqmlevnvgwlxjirt) a quitté #mcdevs ("Leaving") 2018-08-02 06:16:19 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 06:18:11 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-08-02 06:18:11 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-02 09:03:35 rom1504 Nice 2018-08-02 09:45:21 <-- vemacs (~vemacs@192.3.17.176) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-02 09:47:27 <-- Jeebiss (sid25046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvtpabuqheuxbizb) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-02 09:48:50 --> Jeebiss (sid25046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-baqseapaegfoaeaq) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 13:04:54 <-- _MylesC (sid163914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-blkbzcwrofvkvsbe) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-02 13:07:27 <-- chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-02 17:04:45 --> sadimusi (~textual@213.144.146.108) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 17:04:45 -- Mode #mcdevs [+v sadimusi] par ChanServ 2018-08-02 17:49:35 --> millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 19:16:49 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-02 19:22:09 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 19:28:37 --> chibill (~chibill@2602:306:ce43:b390:3008:eeff:fe67:2b44) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-02 19:29:02 chibill The heck I got kicked from like 3 channels randomly. Including this one. 2018-08-02 19:31:14 pokechu22 Says ping timeout on my end, odd 2018-08-02 19:32:39 chibill Odd as my ZNC only like got kicked out of 3 channels the other 4 were still fine. 2018-08-02 20:13:49 <-- sadimusi (~textual@213.144.146.108) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-02 20:52:57 <-- millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-03 00:16:27 --> iso2013 (~iso2013@2601:281:c503:9186:e1f7:42cf:5a04:c421) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 00:54:40 <-- Dadido3 (~quassel@p200300D9DBCC0500C92C4BF4398B22B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2018-08-03 01:09:57 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-08-03 01:25:05 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 02:13:36 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 02:16:09 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-03 02:16:09 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-03 03:03:51 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 03:07:05 <-- 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(~star@c-76-16-146-255.hsd1.il.comcast.net) a quitté (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io) 2018-08-03 13:00:19 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Quit: redstonehelper) 2018-08-03 16:58:31 chibill I am going to start doing 1.13 stuff now xD 2018-08-03 18:13:00 --> millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 18:20:05 <-- millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-03 18:58:10 --> bildramer1 (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00314A5E43D744A70C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 18:58:54 <-- bildramer (~bildramer@p57AD6101.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-03 20:29:05 kashike ammar2: cloudflare's dns interface is the nicest one I've seen 2018-08-03 20:29:14 kashike everyone else's look like they're from 1990 2018-08-03 20:29:18 kashike look and feel* 2018-08-03 20:36:53 --> Cybermaxke_ (~Cybermaxk@d51520aa2.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 20:40:23 Cybermaxke_ tktech, I am unable to edit pages on wiki.vg, it complains about someone a ban on a private ip address. https://pastebin.com/EBjyGJ5M 2018-08-03 20:42:12 +Amaranth Oops, probably needs to look at a proxy header or something to get the real IP 2018-08-03 20:44:00 kashike Heh 2018-08-03 20:57:56 tktech Will take a look after work. nginx was just updated which probably broke something. 2018-08-03 21:10:49 Cybermaxke_ Alright, thank you :) 2018-08-03 21:21:10 --> bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00B916F6659E3F3492.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-03 21:22:20 <-- bildramer1 (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00314A5E43D744A70C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-03 22:09:10 <-- Cybermaxke_ (~Cybermaxk@d51520aa2.access.telenet.be) a quitté (Quit: Leaving) 2018-08-03 22:55:21 <-- pokechu22 (~pokechu22@50.35.66.9) a quitté (Quit: updating weechat) 2018-08-03 23:09:00 --> pokechu22 (~pokechu22@50.35.66.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 00:13:25 chibill So question anyone working on updating current protocol page to 1.13? 2018-08-04 00:20:01 pokechu22 We've got the pre-release protocol information mostly up to date, but I've been holding back on merging it until a few other things are finished up (mostly entities) and probably until 1.13.1 2018-08-04 00:46:01 chibill Okay. 2018-08-04 01:20:10 <-- balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a quitté (Quit: Bye) 2018-08-04 03:41:05 --> iso2013 (~iso2013@2601:281:c503:9186:182e:4cf6:c7fb:d980) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 05:03:37 --> balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 05:14:09 <-- balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-04 06:02:23 --> balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 06:23:41 <-- iso2013 (~iso2013@2601:281:c503:9186:182e:4cf6:c7fb:d980) a quitté (Quit: Bye :)) 2018-08-04 08:26:46 <-- C4K3 (~C4K3@0127801301.0.fullrate.ninja) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-04 11:22:05 --> eevv (~eevv@th-186-47.splius.lt) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 11:22:44 eevv hey how do I extract the public key with OpenSSL to send to the client 2018-08-04 11:57:59 eevv this doodoo 2018-08-04 12:02:03 eevv i dont get the wiki, it says it uses 1024-bit RSA keys sent in DER ASN.1 x.509, but then it says use PEM 2018-08-04 12:04:10 eevv this project made me realize how much of a mess crypto is 2018-08-04 12:04:16 eevv no docs 2018-08-04 12:10:40 +Fador https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/mineserver.cpp#L347 2018-08-04 12:10:56 +Fador this was made a while back but should still work the same way =) 2018-08-04 12:12:25 eevv Fador, thanks 2018-08-04 12:14:57 eevv Fador, the question is... how did you find out how to do it 2018-08-04 12:15:07 eevv because I've been digging the internet for weeks before I gave up 2018-08-04 12:15:36 +Fador eevv: I think I just looked what the openssl output was and what minecraft is suppose to receive ;) 2018-08-04 12:16:09 +Fador using some ASN.1 parser or so 2018-08-04 12:16:18 eevv let's take a moment of silence for the importance of docs 2018-08-04 12:19:06 eevv Fador, line 370 is there no other way to do that? 2018-08-04 12:19:46 +Fador eevv: no idea, that was the easiest way I figured how to do it =D 2018-08-04 12:19:58 eevv easiest as in looking at your parser output and seeing a key or something? 2018-08-04 12:20:08 +Fador eevv: actually there was some problems with openssl update at some point with the offset changing a bit.. 2018-08-04 12:20:15 +Fador yes ;) 2018-08-04 12:20:20 eevv hm so can you explain what is going on there 2018-08-04 12:20:28 eevv I thought you send the whole x509 structure 2018-08-04 12:20:45 eevv DER or something 2018-08-04 12:20:47 +Fador there's 28 bytes of _some_ headers before the actual key 2018-08-04 12:20:52 eevv ah 2018-08-04 12:21:11 +Fador I'm not an expert on those things so I wouldn't know =) 2018-08-04 12:21:36 eevv I think I found something 2018-08-04 12:22:53 eevv Fador, is the key in raw bytes or is it base64 encoded 2018-08-04 12:23:54 +Fador I believe it's the raw bytes 2018-08-04 12:24:47 eevv alright thanks for the help, I'm going to do some reverse engineering 2018-08-04 12:25:05 +Fador you're welcome, good luck =) 2018-08-04 12:34:36 eevv Fador, one last thing tho. Aren't we supposed to send DER? 2018-08-04 12:35:51 eevv I tried something else, I got an output that has a lot of 0xff bytes 2018-08-04 13:00:37 rom1504 "this project made me realize how much of a mess crypto is" "no docs" well... you know minecraft is not open source right ? 2018-08-04 13:01:02 rom1504 so, once you figured it out, please make a doc for what you understood on wiki.vg :) 2018-08-04 13:01:24 rom1504 (there are tons of code example on how to implement that though) 2018-08-04 13:10:38 eevv rom1504, good idea 2018-08-04 13:11:25 eevv but the crypto doc things still stands, because OpenSSL is opensource 2018-08-04 13:26:17 rom1504 ah yeah I thought you meant doc about minecraft 2018-08-04 13:26:36 rom1504 about openssl, there are usually good wrappers in your language 2018-08-04 13:36:17 --> voidcrafted (~voidcraft@unaffiliated/voidcrafted) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 13:36:25 voidcrafted Hey guys! 2018-08-04 13:36:45 voidcrafted I'm working on a kind of ambitious project in Node, but I have a noob-ish question 2018-08-04 13:37:29 voidcrafted How is the packet id sent? Is it the first byte of the sent data? 2018-08-04 13:38:25 timmyRS This resource might help you: https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Packet_format 2018-08-04 13:43:11 voidcrafted timmyRS, Thanks! Are they all part of one 'message' or are they 3 messages in order? 2018-08-04 13:43:54 timmyRS Technically speaking, it doesn't matter. But this is TCP and you'd like to be quick so you send them all in order as part of one packet. 2018-08-04 13:44:16 voidcrafted Okay, thanks 2018-08-04 13:44:39 voidcrafted I'd class myself as a decent programmer (made plugins for yonks) but I've never done networking 2018-08-04 13:45:05 timmyRS Just imagine the internet as a file you write to 2018-08-04 13:45:32 voidcrafted And somebody bet me I couldn't make something that MITMs a connection to a minecraft server, and when the server kicks you, moves you to a fallback 2018-08-04 13:45:42 voidcrafted Yeah, thanks 2018-08-04 13:46:01 timmyRS You will not be able to MITM a connection to any decent server connection at any point of the connection 2018-08-04 13:46:14 voidcrafted I figured 2018-08-04 13:46:21 voidcrafted I'm doing it with all offline mode servers 2018-08-04 13:46:27 voidcrafted But I have got MITMing working 2018-08-04 13:47:29 timmyRS The rest should be easy, unless you want to replace entire chunks or something crazy 2018-08-04 13:48:01 voidcrafted Yeah, I'm not expecting it to be *tooo* hard 2018-08-04 13:48:19 voidcrafted I'm running packet analysis on what a bungee network does if I switch servers 2018-08-04 13:48:28 voidcrafted and I'm just going to do exactly the same 2018-08-04 13:48:30 voidcrafted https://hastebin.com/uxuhamahor.coffeescript 2018-08-04 13:48:35 voidcrafted Is the little I've got so far 2018-08-04 13:48:42 timmyRS My guess: Respawn packet, then the new chunks 2018-08-04 13:49:08 voidcrafted Yeah 2018-08-04 13:49:16 timmyRS net.createServer(sock => { ... 2018-08-04 13:49:39 voidcrafted I'm imagining something like respawn packet -> client, new player -> fallback server, begin redirecting data to fallbacl 2018-08-04 13:49:44 timmyRS if you wanna use arrow functiosn then use arrow functions all the way 2018-08-04 13:49:47 voidcrafted Yeah ikik it's not clean code 2018-08-04 13:49:50 voidcrafted Just prototype 2018-08-04 13:50:34 timmyRS if you tell the server a client has connected and you relay all data to the client, the client will be confused and probably disconnect 2018-08-04 13:51:25 timmyRS Just read the protocol page: http://wiki.vg/Protocol 2018-08-04 13:51:27 voidcrafted hmm okay, so you reccommend just sending the chunks directly? 2018-08-04 13:51:39 timmyRS Tells you all about the login flow and different states and stuff 2018-08-04 13:51:44 voidcrafted Yeah that's what I've been reading 2018-08-04 13:53:24 timmyRS This should be what a normal server will send during the connect flow and you'll have to intercept a bit at this point: https://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F 2018-08-04 13:54:49 voidcrafted So I guess send 1,2,8,9,12,16,17,18,19,20 2018-08-04 13:54:53 voidcrafted I'll mess around 2018-08-04 13:54:53 voidcrafted thanks 2018-08-04 13:55:05 voidcrafted I'm totally out of my depth here 2018-08-04 13:58:02 timmyRS I guess it would help first creating some helper functions to first read and write packets 2018-08-04 13:58:46 voidcrafted Hmm yeah 2018-08-04 14:07:35 <-- eevv (~eevv@th-186-47.splius.lt) a quitté (Quit: WeeChat 2.2) 2018-08-04 14:13:59 <-- voidcrafted (~voidcraft@unaffiliated/voidcrafted) a quitté (Quit: Leaving) 2018-08-04 14:41:54 rom1504 voidcrafted: you can use https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-protocol/blob/master/examples/proxy/README.md which does exactly what you want 2018-08-04 14:54:16 timmyRS but where's the fun in not writing it yourself :P 2018-08-04 15:07:12 rom1504 there's the fun of having it working and the fun of contributing to get much farther than what he will accomplish by recreating the wheel 2018-08-04 18:30:02 <-- csnxs (sean@unaffiliated/plussean) a quitté (Quit: I was wrong. It creeps up back; through coloured glass.) 2018-08-04 19:15:33 <-- blackdog476 (~notquasse@2a01:4f8:200:11e1::2) a quitté (Quit: Bye.) 2018-08-04 19:15:51 --> csnxs (sean@unaffiliated/plussean) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 19:27:12 <-- Byteflux (~byte@byteflux.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-04 19:27:12 <-- rom1504 (rom1504@rom1504.fr) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-04 19:27:12 -- irc : déconnecté du serveur 2018-08-04 19:27:50 -- #mcdevs: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services 2018-08-04 22:29:39 -- irc : déconnecté du serveur 2018-08-04 22:29:49 -- #mcdevs: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services 2018-08-04 22:30:33 -- irc : déconnecté du serveur 2018-08-04 22:30:42 --> rom1504 (rom1504@rom1504.fr) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 22:30:42 -- Le titre pour #mcdevs est "A haunt for developers working on projects related to Minecraft | Website & Rules: http://wiki.vg/MCDevs/rules | Wiki: http://wiki.vg | Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13 https://logs.rom1504.fr/" 2018-08-04 22:30:42 -- Titre défini par tktech (~tktech@ec2-52-70-105-60.compute-1.amazonaws.com) le jeu., 11 mai 2017 00:28:31 2018-08-04 22:30:42 -- Canal #mcdevs : 123 pseudos (1 op, 12 voices, 110 normaux) 2018-08-04 22:32:18 -- Canal créé le lun., 06 déc. 2010 12:22:40 2018-08-04 22:47:34 <-- DemonWav (~DemonWav@unaffiliated/demonwav) a quitté (Quit: DemonWav) 2018-08-04 22:56:07 --> howard (~howard@171.sub-174-192-31.myvzw.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-04 23:11:46 <-- howard (~howard@171.sub-174-192-31.myvzw.com) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-05 00:09:51 --> howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 02:20:27 <-- howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-05 03:02:03 --> howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 03:12:02 -- bildramer1 est maintenant connu sous le nom bildramer 2018-08-05 04:16:38 <-- howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-08-05 04:20:28 --> howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 05:24:05 <-- howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-05 05:29:49 --> howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 05:51:22 <-- howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-05 05:52:02 --> howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 06:58:09 <-- howard (~howard@pool-72-74-144-131.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-05 09:26:59 <-- bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00B916F6659E3F3492.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-08-05 10:31:20 <-- kev009 (~kev009@ip72-222-200-117.ph.ph.cox.net) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-05 11:51:28 --> bildramer1 (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 13:05:45 --> gordonDrogon (~gordon@2001:4d48:ad51:8901::3) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 14:13:19 <-- ashka (~postmaste@pdpc/supporter/active/ashka) a quitté (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2018-08-05 14:14:12 --> ashka (~postmaste@pdpc/supporter/active/ashka) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 14:42:57 <-- fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-08-05 14:43:26 --> fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@2a01:4f8:171:1ac5::2) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 16:39:34 --> barneygale (~barneygal@host86-131-59-124.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 16:41:07 barneygale pokechu22: when were you thinking of merging pre-release protocol into protocol, and can I help? 2018-08-05 16:43:12 <-- barneygale (~barneygal@host86-131-59-124.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-05 18:30:58 -- bildramer1 est maintenant connu sous le nom bildramer 2018-08-05 19:13:33 <-- KnownUnown (KnownUnown@die.in.firrre.com) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-05 19:21:30 --> KnownUnown (KnownUnown@die.in.firrre.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 20:29:07 rom1504 00:20 We've got the pre-release protocol information mostly up to date, but I've been holding back on merging it until a few other things are finished up 2018-08-05 20:29:07 rom1504 (mostly entities) and probably until 1.13.1 2018-08-05 20:54:07 <-- _123DMWM (~123DMWM@pool-100-0-169-59.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) a quitté (Quit: _123DMWM) 2018-08-05 21:06:50 --> _123DMWM (~123DMWM@pool-100-0-169-59.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 22:48:20 --> howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 22:54:22 <-- howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a quitté (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-08-05 23:00:48 --> howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-05 23:26:56 <-- howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-05 23:32:28 --> howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 00:12:00 <-- howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-06 00:13:54 --> howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 02:20:54 <-- howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-06 02:22:35 --> howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 04:15:56 <-- howard (~howard@8.46.75.9) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-06 11:04:38 --> eevv (~eevv@th-186-47.splius.lt) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 11:05:29 eevv hey, for the AES encryption does it encrypt packet by packet or can it stitch packets together, then encrypt & send 2018-08-06 11:07:18 eevv is it encrypt(packet0), send, encrypt(packet1), send or is it encrypt(packet0 + packet1), send 2018-08-06 11:12:17 timmyRS technically speaking, it doesn't matter. 2018-08-06 11:12:40 timmyRS pratically speaking, it would be more efficient to encrypt multiple packets at the same time. 2018-08-06 11:18:12 eevv timmyRS, but what does the minecraft client do? 2018-08-06 11:18:17 eevv both? 2018-08-06 11:18:45 timmyRS I assume that's up to netty to decide 2018-08-06 11:19:00 timmyRS I'd say both 2018-08-06 11:20:08 eevv I think that's going to be annoying for me to do, right now the system is simple (I hope it stays simple) for an incoming packet I read in the packet first byte by byte and construct the packet length, once I know the packet length I read the rest of the packet in "one go" 2018-08-06 11:22:07 timmyRS What language are you using? 2018-08-06 11:22:13 eevv C 2018-08-06 11:22:59 timmyRS I have no idea about C, but I assume you also have some sort of class which you call read on 2018-08-06 11:23:25 timmyRS You can just package your InputStream class with some sort of CryptoStream like in Java, I assume so you can continue your byte-by-byte reading 2018-08-06 11:24:18 eevv yeah... would be cool, however C doesn't really have streams 2018-08-06 11:25:14 timmyRS whatever magic object you're using to interact with the network, I'm sure you can buffer it. 2018-08-06 11:25:18 eevv the only thing I'm worried about is if reading byte by byte is slower than many bytes at once (the read functions might be doing it byte by byte, so idk) 2018-08-06 11:27:59 eevv timmyRS, I guess thanks you gave me an idea with that whole stream thing 2018-08-06 11:28:08 timmyRS Wow, the Minecraft movie might not release in May 2019 because Rob McElhenney is leaving the project. Truly sad news for all of us, I think. 2018-08-06 11:28:12 timmyRS Also, no problem. 2018-08-06 11:33:19 <-- eevv (~eevv@th-186-47.splius.lt) a quitté (Quit: bye) 2018-08-06 14:30:22 <-- __0x277F (~Hex@four.out.of.five.doctors.recommend.hex.lc) a quitté (Quit: ?) 2018-08-06 15:09:40 +AndrewPH tktech, haha just saw one of those spambots whose name was tktech17 2018-08-06 15:09:41 +AndrewPH rip 2018-08-06 16:26:14 --> [shoghicp] (~shoghicp@bouncer.pocketmine.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 16:26:35 <-- shoghicp (~shoghicp@bouncer.pocketmine.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-06 16:26:35 <-- woder_ (~woder@wltd.org) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-06 16:26:42 <-- mrkirby153 (~mrkirby15@mrkirby153.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-06 16:26:43 <-- killme (~killmePI@185.9.253.124) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-06 16:26:43 -- [shoghicp] est maintenant connu sous le nom shoghicp 2018-08-06 17:05:12 <-- Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a quitté (Quit: Goodbye) 2018-08-06 17:05:28 --> Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 17:07:46 <-- Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-06 17:08:02 --> Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 17:24:44 <-- fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@2a01:4f8:171:1ac5::2) a quitté (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-08-06 17:26:24 --> fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 17:44:01 --> killme (~killmePI@185.9.253.124) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 17:53:30 timmyRS Couldn't you make a requirement for people to have been in the channel for at least 5 or 10 minutes? I'm not sure how good that would fight spam here, tho. 2018-08-06 20:08:40 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 21:53:54 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 21:59:54 <-- iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a quitté (Quit: rip) 2018-08-06 22:00:30 --> iczero (iczero@unaffiliated/iczero) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 22:31:17 --> rtjure (~rtjure@87.246.31.42) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 23:40:09 --> NickG365_ (~NickG365@cortex.starlabs.theflash.rocks) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-06 23:42:10 <-- NickG365 (~NickG365@cortex.starlabs.theflash.rocks) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-06 23:42:10 -- NickG365_ est maintenant connu sous le nom NickG365 2018-08-06 23:46:03 --> mrkirby153 (~mrkirby15@mrkirby153.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 00:03:08 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 00:03:33 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 00:12:49 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 00:13:16 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 00:45:04 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 00:45:32 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 01:07:57 +AndrewPH timmyRS, no way to do that without somebody running a third party bot to voice people :) 2018-08-07 01:33:08 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 01:33:33 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 01:50:13 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 01:50:40 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 02:38:54 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-07 04:58:53 --> momothereal (~root@167.99.180.215) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 05:00:29 momothereal Assuming this is up-to-date for 1.13, https://wiki.vg/Chunk_Format#Chunk_Section_structure, which numerical ID is sent exactly? Should I use the block state IDs as generated in the data reports? 2018-08-07 05:03:41 chibill yea probably 2018-08-07 05:37:43 pokechu22 The main articles haven't been updated for 1.13 yet; go off of the pre-release protocol page still 2018-08-07 05:38:11 pokechu22 You do want to use the one in the report, but also it's 14 bits per block now and the format changed (it no longer writes a useless value) 2018-08-07 05:40:45 --> DemonWav (~DemonWav@unaffiliated/demonwav) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 05:43:04 momothereal pokechu22: which useless value specifically? 2018-08-07 05:43:49 pokechu22 Length when using 14 (previously 13) bits per block, see https://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Chunk_Data 2018-08-07 05:44:21 momothereal Ah I see, thanks 2018-08-07 05:56:20 momothereal So the Palette Length is sent for the "Indirect" format, but not for the "Direct" format since 1.13? 2018-08-07 06:07:14 <-- momothereal (~root@167.99.180.215) a quitté (Quit: Lost terminal) 2018-08-07 06:07:51 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 06:09:42 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-07 06:09:42 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-07 06:29:10 <-- killme (~killmePI@185.9.253.124) a quitté (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-08-07 07:18:45 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 07:19:06 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 10:11:35 <-- McLive (~McLive@2a05:bec0:20:1::9) a quitté (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-08-07 10:55:41 --> Myrax (~Dominic@193.240.89.26) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 11:00:31 --> killme (~killmePI@185.9.253.124) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 11:49:59 <-- bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-07 11:52:53 --> bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 12:54:00 <-- Dinnerbone (dinnerbone@i.like.butts.and.my.name.is.dinnerbone.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-07 12:56:19 --> Dinnerbone (dinnerbone@i.like.butts.and.my.name.is.dinnerbone.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 12:56:19 -- Mode #mcdevs [+v Dinnerbone] par ChanServ 2018-08-07 14:50:46 <-- Deamon (~Deamon@irc.thevoxelbox.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-07 14:50:47 <-- Yamakaja (~yamakaja@vps.pub.yamakaja.me) a quitté (Quit: Bye) 2018-08-07 14:50:47 <-- peterix (quassel@quassel.woboq.de) a quitté (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 2018-08-07 14:50:47 <-- yawkat (~yawkat@cats.coffee) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-07 14:50:54 --> yawkat` (~yawkat@cats.coffee) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 14:52:23 --> Deamon (~Deamon@irc.thevoxelbox.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 14:53:11 --> Yamakaja (~yamakaja@vps.pub.yamakaja.me) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 15:13:37 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 15:41:45 -- yawkat` est maintenant connu sous le nom yawkat 2018-08-07 15:52:25 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-07 15:52:51 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 15:55:04 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@193.240.89.26) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-07 16:30:57 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-07 16:32:56 --> Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 16:36:25 <-- fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a quitté (Quit: Too fl4shed to continue) 2018-08-07 16:38:34 --> fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 17:18:58 --> howard (~howard@64-71-9-226.static.wiline.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 17:57:30 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-07 18:33:44 --> Black_Hole (~BlackHole@p200300E753D5D600A1A916872F01C93B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 18:37:53 <-- Black-Hole (~BlackHole@p200300E753D5D6000887CB5B72218DAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2018-08-07 20:59:51 <-- bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D2A8E00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-07 21:06:19 --> bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D31290078BB52EFE6FC15CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 21:13:35 <-- chibill (~chibill@2602:306:ce43:b390:3008:eeff:fe67:2b44) a quitté (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-07 22:39:52 --> levifig (~levi@hakr.io) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 23:34:43 --> chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-07 23:34:55 chibill why do I keep timeing out and not rejoining xD 2018-08-07 23:45:30 pokechu22 Have you tried investigating and fixing the problem? :P 2018-08-07 23:46:21 chibill I have no idea how too. It use to auto rejoin 2018-08-08 00:00:37 --> ScarabCoder (~ScarabCod@75-140-108-122.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 00:46:09 --> m56738 (~m56738@ns3036103.ip-193-70-81.eu) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 03:39:11 --> Black-Hole (~BlackHole@pD95FA93F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 03:41:21 <-- Black_Hole (~BlackHole@p200300E753D5D600A1A916872F01C93B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-08 03:43:35 --> millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 05:14:22 <-- howard (~howard@64-71-9-226.static.wiline.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-08 05:57:58 +AndrewPH chibill, +r is forcing you to identify to ns first 2018-08-08 05:58:13 +AndrewPH I imagine the mode is set due to the recent spambot attacks 2018-08-08 06:01:35 <-- millerti (~millerti@cpe-66-24-91-119.stny.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-08 06:59:57 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 07:10:17 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-08 07:10:47 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 07:30:46 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 2018-08-08 07:31:15 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 08:26:52 --> Scarab (~ScarabCod@75-140-108-122.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 08:27:45 <-- ScarabCoder (~ScarabCod@75-140-108-122.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-08 08:41:56 <-- chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-08 09:51:05 --> Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 09:51:07 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-08 10:04:51 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 2018-08-08 10:05:19 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 10:30:27 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-08 15:50:04 Botched [VERSION] Minecraft Snapshot 18w32a has been released! 2018-08-08 15:53:08 timmyRS beep boop https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-18w32a 2018-08-08 15:55:27 timmyRS Also, what happened to the floors? How were they unsolid? 2018-08-08 15:58:23 MiniDigger timmyRS https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-135385 2018-08-08 15:58:53 timmyRS Oh right, I actually wanted to report that but forgot. 2018-08-08 16:26:13 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 17:22:31 --> chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 17:48:54 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-08 17:56:48 pokechu22 Hmm, notifico didn't post the burger message 2018-08-08 17:59:05 pokechu22 In any case, https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_18w31a_18w32a.html, but that's missing blocks and items and such due to some strange thing (without having looked, I'm guessing they're doing some special stuff with the text IDs for dead coral) 2018-08-08 17:59:33 chibill pokechu22 could be the same reason I get kicked from this channel and can't rejoin till I auth 2018-08-08 18:00:01 pokechu22 Yeah, that seems likely to me; I see that it isn't in here right now 2018-08-08 18:00:34 pokechu22 Though Botched seems to be fine which is interesting 2018-08-08 18:09:50 PolarizedIons He's probably a good bot and waits before joining 2018-08-08 18:10:20 MiniDigger Nah, more like he didn't had a disconnect/restart since the channel mode was set 2018-08-08 18:10:43 timmyRS He waits before all humans are under his control bef-- yeah, or that. 2018-08-08 19:00:47 --> Flemmard (bla@unaffiliated/flemmard) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 19:56:58 <-- Flemmard (bla@unaffiliated/flemmard) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-08 21:28:02 chibill I am waiting to see if fixing it so my ZNC auths will let it join on timeouts 2018-08-08 21:57:00 Mustek Botched is connected to znc, so he should be fine 2018-08-08 22:34:21 <-- yawkat (~yawkat@cats.coffee) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-08 22:38:37 --> yawkat (~yawkat@cats.coffee) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-08 23:12:07 pokechu22 I've fixed the data for 18w32a; they did something else that's weird with air and that's what broke it 2018-08-09 00:23:02 tktech pokechu22, notifico doesn't identify so it has trouble rejoining with +r 2018-08-09 00:29:45 tktech Normally freenode staff have a rule for notifico that globally renames it to Not and gives it flags, but they seem to have nuked all the rules with the spam attacks 2018-08-09 00:35:12 <-- chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-09 00:42:40 --> chibill (~chibill@108-228-59-57.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 00:55:19 --> gamingrobot_ (sid10990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vlnbispvtbxxgowr) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 00:55:34 --> Byteflux_ (~byte@byteflux.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 01:01:38 --> fl4sh__ (~fl4sh@2a01:4f8:171:1ac5::2) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 01:02:48 <-- fl4sh_ (~fl4sh@trinity.jsje.de) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-09 01:02:48 <-- levifig (~levi@hakr.io) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-09 01:02:49 <-- Byteflux (~byte@byteflux.net) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-09 01:02:52 <-- gamingrobot (sid10990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njmeegnpnkeixxec) a quitté (*.net *.split) 2018-08-09 01:02:53 -- gamingrobot_ est maintenant connu sous le nom gamingrobot 2018-08-09 01:33:27 <-- roblabla (~roblablar@roblab.la) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-09 01:34:06 --> roblabla (~roblablar@roblab.la) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 03:18:48 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 03:21:25 <-- redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-08-09 03:34:45 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 03:35:53 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-09 03:36:20 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 03:43:08 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 03:45:08 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-09 03:45:09 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-09 07:28:38 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-09 07:29:03 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 12:01:31 --> Myrax (~Dominic@193.240.89.26) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 14:50:21 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@193.240.89.26) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-09 16:28:46 <-- balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a quitté (Quit: Bye) 2018-08-09 16:29:03 --> Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 17:04:19 --> balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 17:45:33 <-- Dykam (~Dykam@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::1c5:4001) a quitté (Quit: Dykam) 2018-08-09 17:49:36 --> Black_Hole (~BlackHole@p57A3C62F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 17:51:14 <-- Black-Hole (~BlackHole@pD95FA93F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-09 17:54:32 <-- Black_Hole (~BlackHole@p57A3C62F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-08-09 20:45:14 <-- spellegrom (~spellegro@ks1.internetpolice.eu) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-09 20:45:57 --> spellegrom (~spellegro@ks1.internetpolice.eu) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-09 21:48:00 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-09 23:41:55 <-- willies952002 (~willies95@irc.domnian.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-09 23:57:23 --> Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 00:23:41 Fayaru Hello, I'm currently creating a custom minecraft 1.13 server(just for fun), and I've noticed that the packets ids/structure on the wiki are for 1.12.2, I've already got a few right but the process was quite tedious(comparing packets on WireShark). 2018-08-10 00:23:57 Fayaru I've been using JD-GUI but it's feature set is rather limited compared to DotPeek(a C# decompiler I often use) does anyone have a better solution? 2018-08-10 00:26:04 Fayaru If it's not too much, I would also appreciate if anyone could point me in the right direction on where I might find these packets IDs, presumably netty will eventually send these packets but without having a dissambler that XRefs stuff is quite hard 2018-08-10 00:31:05 pokechu22 https://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol is the information you need for 1.13 (though the article actually is for 18w32a right now) 2018-08-10 00:32:25 pokechu22 Also, burger: https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.12.2_1.13.html, https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.13.html, etc (https://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.13.json has packet class names if you're going to do decompiling; also I'd recommend fernflower over JD-GUI) 2018-08-10 00:38:53 <-- Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 00:41:42 --> Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 00:43:26 Fayaru MFW someone is de-authing on my ap :( 2018-08-10 00:44:04 Fayaru pokechu22, I'm not sure if you send anything after the recomendation of fernflower but I'll definitely check out the resources you send 2018-08-10 00:44:09 Fayaru sent*. Thanks 2018-08-10 00:45:22 gabizou MRW I boot up my IRC client for the first time in a while and have to wait several minutes for all the backlog to get filled from the bouncer. 2018-08-10 00:46:33 Fayaru Uh so that's what it's called, I haven't used IRC in a while 2018-08-10 01:09:40 -- Byteflux_ est maintenant connu sous le nom Byteflux 2018-08-10 01:13:45 pokechu22 Nah, didn't send anything after fernflower, that's all I've mentioned 2018-08-10 01:14:23 pokechu22 At some point I probably should merge the pre-release article into the main ones, but entities still need documentation so I'm currently waiting on 1.13.1... and writing that (backlogged still .-.) 2018-08-10 01:24:35 <-- Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-10 01:27:01 --> Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 01:33:39 <-- Fayaru (~Fayaru@bl19-143-37.dsl.telepac.pt) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-10 01:47:56 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 01:50:05 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-10 01:50:05 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-10 01:55:54 kashike pokechu22: yeah, that's annoying - should really move 1.13 to main 2018-08-10 01:55:56 kashike for proto 2018-08-10 02:25:05 <-- TobiX (tobias@zoidberg.org) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-10 03:19:58 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 03:20:04 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 06:07:54 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 06:09:33 <-- redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-10 06:57:05 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-10 06:57:25 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 07:29:06 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 07:31:15 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 10:18:14 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 10:20:34 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 10:25:11 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 10:26:14 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 11:07:39 --> Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.25.threembb.co.uk) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 13:22:09 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.25.threembb.co.uk) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-10 13:36:17 --> Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.167.threembb.co.uk) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 15:02:07 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-10 15:04:49 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 15:45:24 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 15:46:14 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 16:28:17 --> TobiX (tobias@zoidberg.org) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 17:04:21 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.167.threembb.co.uk) a quitté (Max SendQ exceeded) 2018-08-10 17:17:15 --> Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.167.threembb.co.uk) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 17:34:08 <-- Scarab (~ScarabCod@75-140-108-122.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-10 18:07:29 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@94.197.120.167.threembb.co.uk) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-10 18:24:07 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-10 18:24:13 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 18:27:30 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-10 18:28:08 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 18:54:25 <-- redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-10 18:54:55 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 19:04:44 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-10 19:06:19 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 19:19:37 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Quit: OkDan) 2018-08-10 19:49:00 chibill ^ 2018-08-10 20:53:14 --> panicbit2 (~panicbit@p4FE2E3D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 20:54:36 <-- panicbit (~panicbit@p4FE2E29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-10 20:59:01 -- panicbit2 est maintenant connu sous le nom panicbit 2018-08-10 21:44:06 --> Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-10 22:46:27 <-- Myrax (~Dominic@95.150.212.248) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-10 23:57:08 --> __0x277F (~Hex@four.out.of.five.doctors.recommend.hex.lc) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 01:10:57 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-11 01:14:13 <-- electronicboy (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a quitté (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-08-11 01:14:21 --> electronicboy (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 03:00:10 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 03:52:04 <-- bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D31290078BB52EFE6FC15CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-11 03:54:45 --> bildramer (~bildramer@p2003004D8D312900993FE15C6AFC0226.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:02:07 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Quit: Bye ya hoebags) 2018-08-11 04:06:15 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:10:58 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Quit: Bye ya hoebags) 2018-08-11 04:17:15 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:18:54 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-11 04:20:36 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:24:47 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-11 04:37:06 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:38:20 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S01061056118142a4.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:41:08 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S01061056118142a4.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-11 04:42:07 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:f4da:af3:f5bd:6ad0) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 04:43:02 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:f4da:af3:f5bd:6ad0) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-11 04:43:32 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:f4da:af3:f5bd:6ad0) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 05:20:37 <-- simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Quit: Bye ya hoebags) 2018-08-11 05:26:07 --> simpleauthority (~simple@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 05:40:27 <-- kashike (kashike@unaffiliated/kashike) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-11 05:45:16 --> kashike (kashike@unaffiliated/kashike) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 06:06:52 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 06:08:28 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-11 06:08:29 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-11 07:24:53 --> OkDan_ (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:b17e:dd8b:3668:68df) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 07:26:24 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:f4da:af3:f5bd:6ad0) a quitté (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-08-11 07:31:59 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host) 2018-08-11 07:33:52 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 08:13:39 -- OkDan_ est maintenant connu sous le nom OkDan 2018-08-11 08:19:44 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-11 08:21:54 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 08:44:45 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:b17e:dd8b:3668:68df) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-11 09:10:46 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:b17e:dd8b:3668:68df) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 09:13:43 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:ea2f:b17e:dd8b:3668:68df) a quitté (Client Quit) 2018-08-11 12:25:42 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-11 12:26:03 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 12:42:41 <-- redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-11 12:45:06 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 19:25:38 <-- panicbit (~panicbit@p4FE2E3D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) a quitté (Quit: Bye o/) 2018-08-11 20:07:50 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@S01061056118142a4.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 20:56:06 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-11 20:58:03 --> redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-11 21:20:01 <-- sudden (~lax@unaffiliated/laxask) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-08-12 00:22:01 <-- Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a quitté (Quit: Goodbye) 2018-08-12 00:22:18 --> Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-12 00:28:11 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@S01061056118142a4.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I think it'd be inlined by the JIT though, hopefully? 2018-08-14 19:59:08 howard https://github.com/cabaletta/baritone/commit/60d246ecc9aee8a8df409865bb39643bdce81b5b#diff-dec887319f136bf24c8a60f0d98feb4cR79 2018-08-14 20:00:04 pokechu22 Have you profiled it to see which is actually faster? 2018-08-14 20:00:19 howard I'll do that and report back. 2018-08-14 20:02:55 pokechu22 I think the goal of some of it is to avoid allocating a new BlockPos when not needed, but going through those checks when it's already being called with a constant does seem odd and I'm not sure whether it'd be inlined at runtime or not 2018-08-14 20:06:18 howard Yeah, I mean it's possible that it's called enough to be hot 2018-08-14 20:06:25 howard You'd have to check 2018-08-14 20:07:26 howard But even still, you already know that it's going to be allocating a new blockpos for BlockPos#up() 2018-08-14 20:07:45 pokechu22 Yeah 2018-08-14 20:12:15 howard pokechu22: Yeah, betterblockpos is faster 2018-08-14 20:12:18 howard https://github.com/cabaletta/baritone/commit/7fa04f3423371d2fe7dce789856b047c5bb715fd#diff-43f8465dfe234ae9ead1e4079bc980aaR23 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard Results: 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard ``` 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard 28 4 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard 9 5 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard 2 1 2018-08-14 20:12:30 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:12:31 howard 1 0 2018-08-14 20:12:31 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:12:32 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:12:32 howard 2 1 2018-08-14 20:12:33 howard 2 1 2018-08-14 20:12:33 howard ``` 2018-08-14 20:12:56 howard lefthand is blockpos, righthand is better blockpos 2018-08-14 20:13:07 howard and this is even with the hashcode being calculated in the constructor 2018-08-14 20:13:29 pokechu22 Interesting 2018-08-14 20:13:41 howard I can send some more results. Ran it a few times 2018-08-14 20:13:53 howard Oh, and unit above is ms 2018-08-14 20:14:45 howard Like, it's not that significant of a difference in a one-off case, but creating new BlockPos' happens millions of times and it's almost twice as fast 2018-08-14 20:15:23 pokechu22 Right, I think the cost though is the eventual garbage collection of all those BlockPos instances 2018-08-14 20:15:30 pokechu22 but profiling that is much harder 2018-08-14 20:15:52 pokechu22 MutableBlockPos solves that in most of the super hot cases though, I think 2018-08-14 20:16:40 howard How would the garbage collection differ though? 2018-08-14 20:16:48 howard Because it's guaranteeing the creation either way. 2018-08-14 20:17:29 howard BetterBlockPos and BlockPos' up() will return a `new BlockPos`, the difference is in the amount of logic, inlined or not, to get there. 2018-08-14 20:17:30 pokechu22 Well, in cases where up(n) is called with a variable amount or such (same with offset) 2018-08-14 20:17:46 howard Oh yeah, for sure. I'm talking about just up() 2018-08-14 20:17:53 pokechu22 but I think in general that'd be better solved by avoiding those calls 2018-08-14 20:18:25 howard Like, I think it might make sense to switch up(1) from a call to up(n) to just a easy response 2018-08-14 20:18:55 pokechu22 If anything, up(0) or whatever seems like a place for an assert that'd definitely be optimized out at runtime, but I don't think avoiding allocations by branching is needed 2018-08-14 20:20:43 howard As it is, there is a check for that 2018-08-14 20:20:54 howard return n == 0 ? this : new BlockPos(this.getX() + facing.getXOffset() * n, this.getY() + facing.getYOffset() * n, this.getZ() + facing.getZOffset() * n); 2018-08-14 20:21:06 howard That's what the underlying call of blockpos.up(n) looks like 2018-08-14 20:21:18 pokechu22 Right, but that check is one that'd always be tested/couldn't be optimized out 2018-08-14 20:22:00 pokechu22 `assert n != 0;` would be optimized out if assertions weren't enabled but (once JIT happens) wouldn't have any cost... assuming assertions work with JIT like I think they do 2018-08-14 20:24:00 howard up(0) is actually called though 2018-08-14 20:24:12 howard There are forloops and stuff which end up calling it 2018-08-14 20:24:39 pokechu22 Right, it seems like it'd be better to stop calling it and thus avoid the need to special case it :P 2018-08-14 20:24:54 howard and beyond that, up(n) guarantees the creation of an object just like up(1), so I still don't see how the garbage collection cost would be any different for the rest of those cases 2018-08-14 20:25:25 pokechu22 Yeah, it seems like it's trying to avoid an allocation too hard 2018-08-14 20:26:15 howard Here's another benchmark of BetterBlockPos vs BlockPos with both up() and up(int n): 2018-08-14 20:26:17 howard Benching up() 2018-08-14 20:26:17 howard 45 6 2018-08-14 20:26:17 howard 18 6 2018-08-14 20:26:17 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:26:17 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:26:18 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:26:18 howard 5 0 2018-08-14 20:26:19 howard 1 1 2018-08-14 20:26:19 howard 2 1 2018-08-14 20:26:20 howard 2 0 2018-08-14 20:26:20 howard 2 1 2018-08-14 20:26:21 howard Benching up(int) 2018-08-14 20:26:21 howard 28 19 2018-08-14 20:26:22 howard 44 20 2018-08-14 20:26:34 howard idk. I'm just saying it might be worth a ticket to change 2018-08-14 20:27:08 howard Because introducing enumfacing and multiplication in any of these cardinal offsets is demonstrably overkill 2018-08-14 20:30:03 howard Also, you were right that the allocation of the up(0) object doesn't actually happen, so my bad. It returns this, and adding that condition to BetterBlockPos made it significantly faster (the above benchmarks have that change) 2018-08-14 20:31:04 pokechu22 So the check for whether n is 0 is actually helpful, as long as n isn't known to be constant (particularly 1)? Interesting... 2018-08-14 20:33:14 howard Yeah, that would make sense 2018-08-14 20:33:38 howard and so shortcutting n==0 if you know n to be 1 would also make it faster 2018-08-14 20:33:47 howard which is what the BetterBlockPos.up() does 2018-08-14 20:38:14 howard Also, to be clear even when the Hotspot optimizes the calls to both, BetterHotSpot is still faster 2018-08-14 20:38:25 howard That's why the first two runs are slower than the rest. 2018-08-14 20:41:34 pokechu22 If you do make a bug report, make sure to include those on it... also, I know it is possible to get the JVM to export the generated ASM somehow, but I don't know how :/ 2018-08-14 20:44:03 howard Okay, cool. I mean, I feel like this is worth a bug report just because of how often in MC BlockPos manipulation is used, but if you don't think I should I'm willing to hear why 2018-08-14 20:44:10 tktech Usually a pain in the butt, most people aren't running the debug version of the JVM 2018-08-14 20:44:35 tktech PrintCFGTOFile and that family of options are only enabled with compile-time flags because of performance hits 2018-08-14 20:46:40 tktech http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk6/jdk6/hotspot/file/13f94cc87253/src/share/vm/c1/c1_globals.hpp#l34 2018-08-14 20:46:58 tktech All the flags you might be interested are around there 2018-08-14 20:50:02 pokechu22 The most I know about it is from reading through https://shipilev.net/jvm-anatomy-park/ but I have no idea what kind of JVM setup they're using .-. 2018-08-14 21:00:06 howard Wait, why do I need to include the hotspot optimizations? 2018-08-14 21:01:19 pokechu22 It might be useful to see how it's being inlined/if it is at all... just because I feel like that's the most likely question on seeing it that I had. I wouldn't say it's required but it'd be helpful 2018-08-14 21:04:52 tktech pokechu22, *most* of those documents stay accurate with the generals but the internal debugging tools get changed constantly, don't even think they're documented outside the source 2018-08-14 21:05:13 tktech Which is fair, they're done by the core devs to make core dev life easier, not for end users 2018-08-14 21:05:52 pokechu22 I will note that my thing's from 2018, and you're linking Java 6 stuff; I don't know if it's the same anymore at all 2018-08-14 21:05:58 tktech Although to be fair OpenJDK has been more stable, probably because there's a lot more people working on it 2018-08-14 21:58:05 howard pokechu22: Do you know about creating a bug report for 1.12.2? 2018-08-14 21:59:13 pokechu22 Ah, not currently possible, bugs are currently accepted for 1.13... but... 2018-08-14 21:59:49 chibill Also I need to update my software for the new Jawa xD 2018-08-14 22:00:14 pokechu22 I can confirm that those methods didn't change in 1.13 2018-08-14 22:01:15 pokechu22 (also, I'm a bug tracker moderator, for reference; I do have the ability to add 1.12.2 to the list of affected versions after the fact but it's not possible to create an issue without it and probably wouldn't be a good idea anyways) 2018-08-14 22:06:33 howard pokechu22: great, thanks. making it rn. 2018-08-14 22:28:35 howard https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-136025 2018-08-14 22:31:17 howard pokechu22: Let me know if there's anything more I can do for this. 2018-08-14 22:32:02 pokechu22 Looks good to me, thanks! 2018-08-14 22:32:39 howard Yeah! Thank you for humoring me! 2018-08-15 00:27:48 --> willies952002 (~willies95@irc.domnian.com) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 01:20:30 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 01:23:06 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2018-08-15 01:23:06 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-15 02:55:17 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 02:57:38 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-15 02:57:38 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-15 03:16:26 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:e4f0:c69:cbb1:c47e:89c) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-15 03:18:06 -- fineIllBeIczero est maintenant connu sous le nom iczero 2018-08-15 03:27:04 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:e4f0:c69:cbb1:c47e:89c) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 03:42:20 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:e4f0:c69:cbb1:c47e:89c) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2018-08-15 04:03:44 howard Anyone have any advice for debugging minecraft networking stuff? 2018-08-15 04:03:59 howard I can't figure out where the stupid exceptions are actually getting thrown 2018-08-15 04:05:00 pokechu22 http://wiki.vg/Debugging -- see https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-134498, it's rather silly that they're not logged by default 2018-08-15 04:08:25 howard Ouch lmao 2018-08-15 04:13:13 howard Any suggestions for ForgeGradle? 2018-08-15 04:13:36 howard If not all good. I know it's probably a little more niche 2018-08-15 04:21:42 howard Looks like there's no good way 2018-08-15 04:21:46 howard What a fucking nightmare ahhhh 2018-08-15 04:23:10 howard Never mind I'm an idiot lol 2018-08-15 04:27:40 howard Double syke, I still don't have an answer. 2018-08-15 04:49:44 --> OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:e4f0:e0d9:f779:5397:3e77) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 05:18:40 <-- howard (~howard@64-71-9-226.static.wiline.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2018-08-15 06:05:17 pokechu22 Oh, oops 2018-08-15 06:06:52 pokechu22 For ForgeGradle, try `runClient { systemProperty 'log4j.configurationFile', 'file.xml' }` 2018-08-15 06:41:34 --> redstonehelper_ (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 06:44:27 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-15 06:44:27 -- redstonehelper_ est maintenant connu sous le nom redstonehelper 2018-08-15 07:06:41 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 07:31:18 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-15 07:31:47 --> howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a rejoint #mcdevs 2018-08-15 08:12:21 <-- howard (~howard@c-67-180-238-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-15 09:41:34 <-- redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-15 09:41:50 -- ecx est maintenant connu sous le nom ickname 2018-08-15 09:41:58 -- ickname est maintenant connu sous le nom ecx 2018-08-15 09:50:04 <-- OkDan (~OkAlt@2604:3d09:3e7f:e4f0:e0d9:f779:5397:3e77) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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