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2018-06-03 01:50:42	Not	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 6 commits to master [+40/-21/±33] https://git.io/vhWH9
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2018-06-03 07:37:39	barneygale	What I said yesterday about the protocol serializer ensuring that a node's children being sent before the node itself was wrong.
2018-06-03 07:38:18	barneygale	I also note that when you unserialize, you may get a DAG rather than a tree (even when ignoring redirects)
2018-06-03 07:39:26	barneygale	(this is in relation to the 'Declare Commands' packet)
2018-06-03 07:57:22	barneygale	Or perhaps not even a DAG - I think it has cycles if I'm op'd
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2018-06-03 09:16:16	pokechu22	Pretty sure it's the other way around, actually; a node is sent before its children (root first)... I think.  That'd ensure that it's a proper tree, at least?  Not sure what the implementation actually is, and I should NOT be awake right now
2018-06-03 09:21:20	barneygale	`dot` rendering of the command tree: https://i.imgur.com/P5GXIwb.jpg
2018-06-03 09:23:02	barneygale	light grey is executable, dashed lines are redirects. you can see that /execute introduces a cycle if you follow redirects
2018-06-03 09:23:56	pokechu22	Hm... but you can do `/execute foo execute bar say bla` or whatever (not the actual syntax) so that might be intended
2018-06-03 09:24:51	barneygale	Yes I think so!
2018-06-03 09:24:55	pokechu22	I'm not awake enough to try to read that though, it's very squigly (the ones for execute store that have a data type are pretty)
2018-06-03 09:25:19	barneygale	mostly sharing it for prettiness value
2018-06-03 09:25:34	pokechu22	The only cycles are with redirects I'd assume?
2018-06-03 09:25:53	barneygale	I /think/ so, will try to confirm now.
2018-06-03 09:26:58	barneygale	Yes, that seems to correct
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2018-06-04 02:37:24	barneygale	Created a new page for the 'declare commands' data structure, as it seems like a big enough topic to warrant it: http://wiki.vg/Command_Data
2018-06-04 02:38:07	barneygale	Content gratuitously copy-pasted from the pre-release protocol page. I flattened out the nested tables as I think it's a little easier to read/navigate this way.
2018-06-04 02:42:46	pokechu22	Neat, but I feel like it would help to also link to the parsers directly just so that when skimming the table it's clear what has extra data
2018-06-04 02:43:39	pokechu22	(though that does seem to me to be a bit of a flaw of the format, since it means that clients can't gracefully ignore custom properties they don't understand)
2018-06-04 02:46:15	barneygale	pokechu22, I'll add an extra column that links to the bits below
2018-06-04 02:46:40	barneygale	Agree that feels like a flaw
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2018-06-04 05:07:45	ackpacket	Forge documentation is a bit sparse.  Am I missing something, or is there a list of events somewhere, and their appropriate use?
2018-06-04 05:08:00	ackpacket	For me specifically, looking to update some data whenever the player moves (this is a client-only mod)
2018-06-04 05:11:24	pokechu22	I'd assume there are javadocs somewhere... hm
2018-06-04 05:12:34	pokechu22	... from https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation: "Javadocs will not be hosted here, however. They will be located at ..." (and no link)
2018-06-04 05:16:10	ackpacket	Yeah it's been a bit of a murder mystery for someone just getting started.
2018-06-04 05:18:18	pokechu22	Looks like they haven't figured out to host it in a reasonable way yet because there's a ton of versions.  For a few years now.  yay :/
2018-06-04 05:19:24	pokechu22	But https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/tree/1.12.x/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/event is a starting point (you probably can do the same thing in your IDE)
2018-06-04 05:27:09	ackpacket	Yeah, I think some poking around and try-and-see can lead me to an event that works.  More worried about gotchas that aren't apparent:  For example, accidentally capturing the move events of *all* players, or an event that fires significantly more than I need and wastes CPU
2018-06-04 05:28:27	pokechu22	There is #minecraftforge on esper, you're probably more likely to get forge help there since they specialize in forge
2018-06-04 05:28:33	pokechu22	(I don't)
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2018-06-04 06:54:27	barneygale	Better-quality rendering of the command graph: http://wiki.vg/images/a/ac/Command_graph_18w22c.png
2018-06-04 06:56:00	pokechu22	Neat :D
2018-06-04 06:58:32	barneygale	By my reckoning the 18w22c server sends 150 more nodes than it needs to, and wastes  5028 bytes doing so (for an /op'd user)
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2018-06-04 15:09:03	HurricanKai	hey, anyone updated to 1.13 (18w22c) yet? im having some issues with the ChunkDataPacket. the only thing that seems to have changed is the Biome? it says "Int" meaning Int32 i assume. thought im always getting this error: https://imgur.com/a/zyH751H
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2018-06-04 17:36:40	pokechu22	The global palette also changed a ton for the flattening, including all the indexes being different and using 14 bits per block instead of 13 in the direct case
2018-06-04 18:03:03	mgrech	wonder why they're not using zstd for compression yet ;P
2018-06-04 18:03:29	mgrech	(and RLE)
2018-06-04 18:07:17	mgrech	do the latest snapshots finally use palettes for on-disk compression as well?
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2018-06-04 18:17:03	pokechu22	Yeah, though the documentation on it is rather poor
2018-06-04 18:29:45	HurricanKai	well, global palette is now just parsing blocks.json lol
2018-06-04 18:30:00	HurricanKai	also, anyone an idea why my issue from above coud be happening?
2018-06-04 18:37:43	pokechu22	When did it last work for you?
2018-06-04 18:37:48	HurricanKai	1.12
2018-06-04 18:37:53	HurricanKai	before i tryed updating
2018-06-04 18:37:57	pokechu22	Ah, ok, so you didn't implement it on a prior snapshot
2018-06-04 18:39:20	HurricanKai	nope
2018-06-04 18:41:57	HurricanKai	any other implementation i coud have a look at?
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2018-06-04 18:49:55	pokechu22	I don't know if there is a working full implementation anywhere
2018-06-04 18:50:10	HurricanKai	but maybe one that has Chunk Loading implemented lol
2018-06-04 18:50:59	pokechu22	... uh, gah, no botched, there's a prerelease
2018-06-04 18:51:27	HurricanKai	that can send a Chunk Data Packet without crashing the game? if so please send to me lol
2018-06-04 18:56:10	pokechu22	You did switch to 14 bits per block right?
2018-06-04 18:56:16	HurricanKai	yes
2018-06-04 18:57:30	pokechu22	It is possible that they changed the type for the biomes; since it's in chunk itself burger doesn't notice changes there
2018-06-04 18:57:48	HurricanKai	they changed it to int
2018-06-04 18:57:53	HurricanKai	acording to wiki
2018-06-04 18:58:42	pokechu22	Yep, just thinking it might have changed to VarInt later on
2018-06-04 18:58:53	HurricanKai	tryed that too, doesnt work either
2018-06-04 18:59:09	HurricanKai	it says something abour length beeing 63, and it shoud be in range (0, 10)\
2018-06-04 19:00:18	pokechu22	I wish I knew what that message was specifically referring to; it _might_ be something with NBT?
2018-06-04 19:00:26	pokechu22	but usually those are for normal netty stuff
2018-06-04 19:00:37	HurricanKai	hmm, just writing 0 for nbt ^^
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2018-06-04 19:05:18	Not	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 1.13-pre1:
2018-06-04 19:05:20	Not	[Burger] Diff from 18w22c: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_18w22c_1.13-pre1.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_18w22c_1.13-pre1.json)
2018-06-04 19:05:21	Not	[Burger] Full data: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.13-pre1.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.13-pre1.json)
2018-06-04 19:05:26	pokechu22	New music :D
2018-06-04 19:09:29	HurricanKai	so, any implementations?
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2018-06-04 19:54:58	barneygale	pokechu22, I think you did most of the work in the documentation of Declare Commands - would you be happy to remove most of what's on the Pre-release Protocol page (everything except the packet format) and point people towards the new Command Data page? I've reviewed the new page just now and I believe it includes all of your info.
2018-06-04 20:05:40	pokechu22	Ah, sure
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2018-06-04 20:42:02	barneygale	Thanks - I'll do it later this evening. let me know if you have any concerns - I appreciate I'm messing with your work just a bit.
2018-06-04 20:45:39	pokechu22	It's a wiki, it's for everyone to contribute to :P
2018-06-04 20:49:14	barneygale	Cool cool, just checking. Some people can be a bit precious
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2018-06-04 22:07:00	rom1504	they increased from 13 bits to 14 bits ?
2018-06-04 22:07:09	barneygale	Yep
2018-06-04 22:07:17	pokechu22	Yeah, enough blockstates that that's needed now
2018-06-04 22:07:18	rom1504	seems like making the huge jump to 16 bits would make everyone's life easier
2018-06-04 22:07:53	barneygale	yes please mojang! :)
2018-06-04 22:07:57	pokechu22	Well, the thing is, in the right implementation you should already be using 4-8 bits
2018-06-04 22:08:08	pokechu22	so your code should already deal with arbitrary sizes
2018-06-04 22:08:26	rom1504	ah yeah it's a maximum size
2018-06-04 22:08:30	rom1504	ok well
2018-06-04 22:08:40	barneygale	it's a nasty bit of code to get right
2018-06-04 22:20:58	barneygale	optimized command graph with 150 duplicate nodes removed: http://wiki.vg/images/2/29/Command_graph_18w22c_optimized.png
2018-06-04 22:21:13	barneygale	a fair bit harder to read, too
2018-06-04 22:22:00	+Dinnerbone	A good way to show how commands are represented internally though!
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2018-06-05 01:56:20	Hafydd	Is the wiki down?
2018-06-05 01:56:37	pokechu22	It's up for me
2018-06-05 01:58:33	Hafydd	Ah, so it is. I had a failed proxy server.
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2018-06-05 09:03:29	tktech	Later today the database server and frontend servers will be updated with about 5 minutes of downtime. Mediawiki will be version bumped to 1.30 along with several extensions. The graphviz extension will be enabled so the command graph can be optionally inlined and versioned (although with tight memory and cpu limits). Total downtime will be roughly 10 minutes.
2018-06-05 09:13:21	pokechu22	Hm, if you're doing mantainence, do you think you can set up interwiki with minecraft.gamepedia.com?  It'd be nice to be able to link there without triggering the external link captcha
2018-06-05 09:14:02	yunfan	why not use a github based wiki?
2018-06-05 09:15:11	pokechu22	Github wikis are rather limited in what markup is supported to my understanding
2018-06-05 09:15:31	Hafydd_	If you're into one company acquired my Microsoft, you'll surely like this other one!
2018-06-05 09:15:32	yunfan	sorry, i mean static file based, like github style
2018-06-05 09:15:57	Hafydd_	If the wiki were "static", how on earth would people contribute to it?
2018-06-05 09:16:10	Hafydd_	By submitting pull requests?
2018-06-05 09:16:12	yunfan	i found these static file base wiki had at least one benefit, you could just clone and spread it easily
2018-06-05 09:16:18	yunfan	not like mediawiki based one
2018-06-05 09:16:55	yunfan	Hafydd_: why not? actually i am going to developed some wiki like site which follow the github styles
2018-06-05 09:17:16	pokechu22	There is http://wiki.vg/Special:Export and a similar (though usually restricted to admins) import page, though I do find it a bit clunky (no easy way to export everything; you have to list pages)
2018-06-05 09:17:17	yunfan	that means everyone could have their own version , no editor wars
2018-06-05 09:17:36	Hafydd_	yunfan: each PR would have to be approved, which would slow down editing, although I suppose it would also help to prevent abuse.
2018-06-05 09:18:30	yunfan	Hafydd_: i dont think you would have much pr :D
2018-06-05 09:20:34	Hafydd_	yunfan: why not?
2018-06-05 09:20:54	+ammar2	http://wiki.vg/Special:RecentChanges
2018-06-05 09:20:57	+ammar2	we'd have a bunch
2018-06-05 09:21:20	yunfan	Hafydd_: since you talk about minecraft.gamepedia.com
2018-06-05 09:21:36	yunfan	i dont think that changes too much based on which i view 
2018-06-05 09:21:44	pokechu22	The PR model also does mean you can have multiple open changes that could conflict, rather than only conflicts if two people edit at exactly the same time (which, well, depends on the purpose)
2018-06-05 09:22:14	+ammar2	also a lot of PRs https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:RecentChanges
2018-06-05 09:22:30	+ammar2	your "view" is probably of a narrow set of pages, consider all the places changes can be made
2018-06-05 09:22:47	Hafydd_	yunfan: I didn't say anything about that. You may be thinking of pokechu22.
2018-06-05 09:23:19	pokechu22	Oh, minecraft.gamepedia.com?  Yeah... that changes a lot more than wiki.vg :P
2018-06-05 09:24:38	yunfan	Hafydd_: ah, sorry for mis-refering
2018-06-05 09:25:29	yunfan	pokechu22: yes what you talk might be true, but people could make rules, like one page per pr
2018-06-05 09:25:47	yunfan	and split the url into more nested directory
2018-06-05 09:25:56	+ammar2	why not just use a wiki at that point lol
2018-06-05 09:26:02	yunfan	and set some administris for each directory or tag?
2018-06-05 09:30:29	+ammar2	I think as far as your noted advantage goes, the ideal solution would be a nice wiki like editing front but stored into version control in the backend
2018-06-05 09:30:46	+ammar2	then you can easily import/export as git repos but still maintain the collabaration that wikis lend themselves to
2018-06-05 09:30:55	+ammar2	someone has probably done it already
2018-06-05 09:31:24	+ammar2	https://github.com/Git-Mediawiki/Git-Mediawiki
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2018-06-05 09:37:32	yunfan	well but the wikipedia's url style hasnt change
2018-06-05 09:37:41	yunfan	actually i think the url style is much more important
2018-06-05 09:37:55	yunfan	you ever heard of editor wars? right?
2018-06-05 09:38:34	yunfan	and why people should only allow one verion to left? isnt that in society, we could tolerate different opions?
2018-06-05 09:39:20	+ammar2	url style is a pretty meh implementation detail
2018-06-05 09:39:37	+ammar2	as far as different opinions go, make a fork
2018-06-05 09:40:02	+ammar2	if you can't reasonably convince the authority of the wiki you're trying to edit
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2018-06-05 10:20:06	yunfan	ammar2: nope, by that policy, you just open a editing war
2018-06-05 10:20:30	yunfan	ammar2: and you could saw lots of such examples from wikipedia
2018-06-05 10:21:43	+ammar2	uhh there are no wars if you make a hard fork on a difference
2018-06-05 10:21:52	+ammar2	that's usually how FOSS works anyway
2018-06-05 10:26:21	yunfan	i dont think so, you just claim there're no wars like the french said during WW I
2018-06-05 10:26:56	+ammar2	you're getting a bit philosophical
2018-06-05 10:27:04	+ammar2	yes there might be an underlying war about who's right
2018-06-05 10:27:27	+ammar2	but if a hard fork has occurred, then you won't pollute editing history with remnants of the war
2018-06-05 10:27:30	+ammar2	or at least not as much
2018-06-05 10:27:30	yunfan	then i apologize for that
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2018-06-05 11:48:05	tktech	yunfan, Our wiki has worked just fine for the last 9 years. It's all open source, if you want it in a git-backed format go nuts.
2018-06-05 11:48:18	tktech	pokechu22, sure, just that wiki?
2018-06-05 11:49:37	yunfan	tktech: if you really read my chat log, you would saw that my point is focus on github like url
2018-06-05 11:50:20	yunfan	but since you guys dislike talking it, i'll just stop talking that to save us time
2018-06-05 11:52:07	tktech	No, I read it, it just made no sense. The wiki we run is a specification, there are no "individual opinions" just facts. Not really anything to start an editor war over.
2018-06-05 11:53:53	mgrech	are we talking about wiki.vg?
2018-06-05 11:54:03	tktech	Yup
2018-06-05 11:54:23	mgrech	i think wiki.vg is fine, sure it could be better like every site ever but i've always found it to be pretty good
2018-06-05 11:54:56	mgrech	(though i've never edited a page so i can't speak to that)
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2018-06-05 11:56:33	tktech	That's true for the vast majority of the traffic, out of the thousands of hits it gets every month, maybe 2 register to make an update. Long term 99% of the content is done by ~5 dedicated individuals.
2018-06-05 11:56:52	tktech	Which is natural, there are always going to be more consumers then people RE'ing the internals 
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2018-06-05 11:57:39	mgrech	yeah, that makes sense
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2018-06-05 17:30:32	pokechu22	Yeah, gamepedia is the main one that would need interwiki links (wikipedia already has one).  The main place where it's used is on protocol version numbers, where basically each edit includes a gamepedia link
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2018-06-05 20:16:58	kashike	tktech: I thought the wiki had HTTPS support? Could you add that to your todo? :P
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2018-06-05 21:35:31	HurricanKai	Still working on the Chunk Data, i just noticed, in the wiki it says "Indexes into the global palette are still used, but since the global palette has changed, behavior is different." so, shoud i just use state ids? (from blocks.json?) or do i need to do any other stuff still?
2018-06-05 21:48:19	pokechu22	Yeah, that's referring to state IDs
2018-06-05 21:48:47	pokechu22	(what it used before was technically state IDs, it's just that state IDs were derived from metadata)
2018-06-05 21:48:55	HurricanKai	yeah
2018-06-05 21:48:56	HurricanKai	hmm, i dont get my life right now.... what the heck coud be limited to 0-10 in the new version i coud have missed
2018-06-05 22:20:33	rom1504	yunfan: there is a simple technical problem to the github option : there is no way to display complex tables such as the ones in wiki.vg/Protocol (which is the main page) in github wiki
2018-06-05 22:21:49	rom1504	an ideal solution imho would be to represent the protocol in a good descriptive language, which we try to do with minecraft-data. But fitting also the comments and everything in an easy to edit format is not trivial and would require some more efforts
2018-06-05 22:21:59	rom1504	(but I think it would be nice if we could do it)
2018-06-05 22:22:42	rom1504	and indeed the point of live editing vs pull requests is a good point, maybe live editing is better
2018-06-05 22:22:55	rom1504	however there is no strict association between the pull requests model and git
2018-06-05 22:23:16	rom1504	for example stuff like sharelatex or overleaf have live editing + a git endpoint
2018-06-05 22:23:34	rom1504	that would be an idea
2018-06-05 22:24:00	rom1504	but anyway, if we were ever to switch to anything, it would need to be proven to be as good as the simple solution that is current wiki.vg
2018-06-05 22:24:24	rom1504	for example by running it in parallel to wiki.vg with automatic sync and seeing if people like it
2018-06-05 22:25:07	HurricanKai	well, just a wish, but some automated-update thing integrated into wiki.vg (or simillar) like Burger woud be awesome...
2018-06-05 22:25:29	rom1504	yeah
2018-06-05 22:25:40	rom1504	to me that's also the benefit of a decent format
2018-06-05 22:25:57	rom1504	it could be thinkable to generate it from the jar, at least partially
2018-06-05 22:26:10	rom1504	generating mediawiki code from the jar is doomed to fail
2018-06-05 22:27:20	rom1504	anyway, all that would require some work, but if someone is interested, we have a bunch of ideas on how to do it at mcdata/protodef, so feel free to have a look (that's our most recent format https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/blob/master/data/pc/1.11/protocol.pds )
2018-06-05 22:27:22	HurricanKai	yeah, i think, because wiki.vg is for devs anyways, it coud be some sudo-code-alike thing. I dont think there is a point in having these tables, which, yeah, they are readable by anyone, but programming Minecraft server/client is really not so easy that a more specific less readable format woud be a big problem
2018-06-05 22:27:40	HurricanKai	oh, cool
2018-06-05 22:28:10	HurricanKai	that is, JS? a JS a licke thing?
2018-06-05 22:29:50	HurricanKai	rom1504 maybe you know any 1.13 Implementations / Prooven-to-be-correct Information? ;d
2018-06-05 22:32:38	rom1504	no this is a format dedicated to represent a protocol, it has a compiler for python and js (coded in rust) https://github.com/ProtoDef-io/protodefc
2018-06-05 22:33:09	rom1504	it is the "new version" of our protocol.json https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/blob/master/data/pc/1.11/protocol.json
2018-06-05 22:33:42	rom1504	HurricanKai: well wiki.vf/Pre-release has the protocol I believe
2018-06-05 22:34:04	HurricanKai	i hoped so too, thought Chunk Data seems to be broken
2018-06-05 22:34:28	rom1504	ah yeah, I haven't taken the time to update to 1.13 in prismarinejs
2018-06-05 22:34:45	rom1504	just finished porting our server to 1.12 actually
2018-06-05 22:35:37	HurricanKai	<rom1504> ah yeah, I haven't taken the time to update to 1.13 in prismarinejs looks cool too, maybe ill take the time to integrate / adding support for C#, well, prob. thats not very usefull for most people anyways, most people for some reason still hate C# (possibly cause its a MS Product or something idk)
2018-06-05 22:36:00	HurricanKai	... didnt even mean to do that... thanks HexChat
2018-06-05 22:37:41	rom1504	sure, that would be great
2018-06-05 22:37:52	rom1504	c# is quite fine actually
2018-06-05 22:38:25	rom1504	I do c# at my day job, I think it's mostly similar to java with some additional features
2018-06-05 22:38:50	HurricanKai	you are the first person who isnt saying something like "Who the fuck even has the idea to write a MC Server in C#, C# is shit anyways"
2018-06-05 22:38:51	HurricanKai	lol
2018-06-05 22:40:27	rom1504	my job is about maintaining and improving a distributed application with low latency requirements, so yeah actually I can tell you it's possible to do performant code in c#
2018-06-05 22:41:30	HurricanKai	*maybe* it is my 3. Try at getting a Performant C# MC server now... well, i got ~30ms response time now ;d (Im still kinda new to the hole "low level" C# GC etc. stuff, but im getting there)
2018-06-05 22:42:06	HurricanKai	well, anyways, im looking for the true definition in a un-named MC decompile now yey, btw, can i post the data that worked for me somewhere?
2018-06-05 22:42:36	rom1504	what kind of data ?
2018-06-05 22:42:44	HurricanKai	the Chunk Data
2018-06-05 22:42:59	HurricanKai	cause the wiki isnt really helpfull regarding this right now
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2018-06-05 22:43:50	rom1504	yeah, maybe you can put it in some github repo ?
2018-06-05 22:43:59	rom1504	I agree it's useful to have chunk data
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2018-06-05 22:44:11	rom1504	I had that for 1.9 https://download.rom1504.fr/minecraft/chunks/
2018-06-05 22:45:05	rom1504	compressed it shouldn't be too big so it can fit in a github repo just fine
2018-06-05 22:45:11	HurricanKai	(i ment the format i work out) ;d
2018-06-05 22:45:11	rom1504	then you can link it in wiki.vg
2018-06-05 22:45:19	rom1504	ah
2018-06-05 22:45:23	HurricanKai	thought i can share some data too lol
2018-06-05 22:45:35	rom1504	well then just put it in the chunk page ?
2018-06-05 22:45:42	rom1504	everybody can update the wiki
2018-06-05 22:45:51	HurricanKai	oh really?
2018-06-05 22:45:57	rom1504	yeah
2018-06-05 22:45:59	HurricanKai	cool, cool
2018-06-05 22:46:04	rom1504	that's the definition of a wiki actually
2018-06-05 22:46:32	HurricanKai	lol, ok
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2018-06-06 04:40:46	yunfan	rom1504: so you were maintaining priminejs's mc implementation?
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2018-06-06 09:01:33	rom1504	I am maintaining it yes
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2018-06-06 09:59:30	yunfan	rom1504: i see you have plan to re-implemnt physics.js?
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2018-06-06 14:34:20	timmyRS	What's the difference between a prerelease and a snapshot?
2018-06-06 14:35:15	Andrio	Technically, all snapshots are pre-release versions.
2018-06-06 14:35:39	Andrio	In my understanding, 'release candidate' means a version that might be ready for release, and the devs aren't considering adding new features until the next release, and is in testing to have any major bugs ironed out.
2018-06-06 14:36:03	Andrio	1.13-pre1 was this.
2018-06-06 14:36:15	Andrio	is this.
2018-06-06 15:31:39	Hafydd	It used to be that pre-release versions had the same protocol version number as the release coming after them, but they stopped doing that for some reason, and just increment the protocol each time.
2018-06-06 15:32:07	Hafydd	It's a bit annoying, because now you have to test with both the release and the pre-release.
2018-06-06 15:33:05	Hafydd	So one might indeed ask what substantial distinction there is between snapshops and pre-releases, now.
2018-06-06 15:33:41	Hafydd	*snapshots
2018-06-06 17:35:59	pokechu22	Pre-releases are supposed to be more stable
2018-06-06 17:36:20	pokechu22	And we can expect that they _probably_ won't make any more sweeping protocol changes, though they still may bump the protocol version
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2018-06-06 18:24:45	tktech	Sometimes they wait to make a change until they see pokechu finished documenting it, then push a new snapshot while dinnerbone does a Dr. Evil laugh.
2018-06-06 18:28:40	chibill	lol
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2018-06-06 19:33:08	PolarizedIons	now I want to see deebee do that laugh :<
2018-06-06 19:33:18	PolarizedIons	I think it would actually be pretty good
2018-06-06 20:00:36	tktech	Java: "+=" applied to String operands can provoke side effects - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17248095
2018-06-06 20:01:14	tktech	pokechu22 ^ you'll probably get a sad chuckle out of this one
2018-06-06 20:01:52	pokechu22	Yeah, I saw, a bit silly
2018-06-06 20:02:04	pokechu22	It is odd that it wasn't found sooner
2018-06-06 20:04:56	tktech	it was originally thought to just be strings which would be hard to notice
2018-06-06 20:05:14	tktech	but apparently can be triggered with almost any left-hand statement
2018-06-06 20:05:58	tktech	somewhere there is a dev near suicidal trying to debug third indirectly, heh
2018-06-06 20:34:36	+ammar2	is java9 even supposed to be used?
2018-06-06 20:34:55	+ammar2	oh it is
2018-06-06 20:35:05	pokechu22	I think java 10 now :P
2018-06-06 20:36:17	+ammar2	wtf happened to their release cycle
2018-06-06 20:36:47	pokechu22	They switched to a time-based one I think
2018-06-06 20:37:10	pokechu22	IIRC they were originally planning on doing one based on the year, so Java 17, but that never happened
2018-06-06 20:37:29	+ammar2	java9, initial release 09/2017. final release 01/2018
2018-06-06 20:37:30	+ammar2	uhhh
2018-06-06 20:37:48	pokechu22	Oh, yeah, also only every 3rd release or something is LTS
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2018-06-06 21:39:21	chibill	I am not touching Java 9 with a long stick :P Its not that different but it scares me that it manages to break alot of programs that use ClassLoaders or default package. 
2018-06-06 21:39:25	rom1504	yunfan: yes, to implement bounding boxes for example. It's planned but not a priority for me atm. But if anyone want to do it I def would support it
2018-06-06 21:52:03	Hafydd	def would_support(it): pass
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2018-06-07 04:22:32	yunfan	rom1504: i am only interesting of python version's , tried your library, the ecosystem is really cool,  but writing js make me pain
2018-06-07 04:25:25	chibill	yunfan Protodefc Might help once it can fully understand MC's file of theres.
2018-06-07 04:30:10	yunfan	chibill: sorry cant understand your meaning
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2018-06-07 09:05:32	rom1504	Ok
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2018-06-07 11:31:23	yunfan	rom1504: btw, is there any updated library to support MCPE?
2018-06-07 12:21:31	Hafydd	This time the wiki really does seem to be down: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.vg
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2018-06-07 15:04:25	tktech	"EC2 has detected degradation of the underlying hardware hosting your Amazon EC2 instance (instance-ID: i-273aa799) in the us-east-1 region. Due to this degradation, your instance could already be unreachable." *grumble*
2018-06-07 15:12:29	jast	so the cloud doesn't run on magic pixie dust after all
2018-06-07 15:37:40	tktech	Typically been about 1 failure every 4 years which isn't too awful
2018-06-07 15:38:12	jast	yeah, I've had worse than that with "rented hardware"
2018-06-07 15:38:17	jast	*much* worse
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2018-06-07 16:15:46	HurricanKai	ouhm, why is wiki.vg R.I.P ?
2018-06-07 16:15:57	HurricanKai	it just shows the nginx default page?
2018-06-07 16:16:12	HurricanKai	(only the main page)
2018-06-07 16:27:12	HurricanKai	also: https://imgur.com/a/euAzT7K
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2018-06-07 16:31:52	Hafydd	HurricanKai: <tktech> "EC2 has detected degradation of the underlying hardware hosting your Amazon EC2 instance (instance-ID: i-273aa799) in the us-east-1 region. Due to this degradation, your instance could already be unreachable." *grumble*
2018-06-07 16:32:06	HurricanKai	lool
2018-06-07 16:33:22	Hafydd	It looks like it's partly up, now (HTTP seems to work, but not HTTPS).
2018-06-07 16:33:32	HurricanKai	yeah, sub sites work too
2018-06-07 16:33:38	HurricanKai	but not the main one
2018-06-07 16:34:56	Hafydd	As an avid player of Video Game, I like to consult Wiki from time to time for information about it.
2018-06-07 16:36:16	HurricanKai	sadly it isnt updated too well for 1.13 :(
2018-06-07 16:40:22	Hafydd	HurricanKai: 1.13 has not been released yet. What part of the wiki is not up to date?
2018-06-07 16:41:21	HurricanKai	the Pre_Release_Protocol
2018-06-07 16:42:00	HurricanKai	as apparently no one besides me has started to update anything to 1.13 (pre/snapshot versions) ie. the Chunk Data packet is not documented very well
2018-06-07 16:42:06	HurricanKai	or, well, it doesnt work
2018-06-07 16:42:47	Hafydd	HurricanKai: so you believe the specification of Chunk Data on the current pre-release spec on the wiki is incorrect?
2018-06-07 16:43:03	HurricanKai	i do not only beleive it, im shure about it.
2018-06-07 16:43:20	HurricanKai	well, or one of the definitions its based on arent
2018-06-07 16:44:04	Hafydd	HurricanKai: please elaborate! If it's incorrect, it can be fixed.
2018-06-07 16:44:57	HurricanKai	yeah, but wireshark doesnt help, because the default Minecraft uses the Pallete. and there is no *readable* version of a minecraft decompile
2018-06-07 16:45:23	HurricanKai	so no idea what to do else... i tryed to figure some of the notch enocding stuff out, but that takes forever
2018-06-07 16:46:45	Hafydd	HurricanKai: exactly how have you determined that the spec on the wiki is incorrect? Did you try implementing it? If so, what are the steps to reproduce your error?
2018-06-07 16:48:46	HurricanKai	yes, i reproduced the protocol. the 1.12 (meaning the current on wiki.vg/Protocol) works fine, thought now i bumed it up to the Pre Release, and once i send a CHunk Data Packet, the game does this: https://imgur.com/a/1DmcabD the code i use is aviable here https://github.com/HurricanKai/MinecraftSharp/blob/indev/Main/Packets/ChunkDataPacket.cs
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2018-06-07 16:58:16	Hafydd	HurricanKai: you appear to be writing the bitmask after writing the chunk data.
2018-06-07 16:58:53	Hafydd	HurricanKai: oh, my mistake.
2018-06-07 16:58:57	HurricanKai	;d
2018-06-07 17:03:35	HurricanKai	the only changes, acording to the wiki, are the Id, and the fact that Biomes are Ints now
2018-06-07 17:04:51	Hafydd	Hmm.
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2018-06-07 17:16:06	pokechu22	I feel like the chunk data information hopefully should be correct... but yeah :/
2018-06-07 17:16:16	pokechu22	I haven't started debugging 1.13, it's all just based on changes I saw
2018-06-07 17:28:44	pokechu22	Unfortunately that IndexOutOfBoundsException is basically useless without a stacktrace to it, and I don't think the game logs one :/
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2018-06-07 18:23:15	HurricanKai	well, from what i saw, its an "out of range 0, 10" thing, but Minecrafts (nettys) errors are as cryptic to me as they can be...
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2018-06-07 18:25:41	pokechu22	Yeah, it's "something is out of range", but that's not useful without a stacktrace to see where the out of range access is :/
2018-06-07 18:26:45	HurricanKai	yeah, i already tryed to modify everything, ill have a look if i can get my decompiled version (i think the un-renamed thing is called "notch") thingi to run, and then ill have a better sight
2018-06-07 18:29:02	pokechu22	Your implementation makes the packet length based on the amount of data written, right?  It's not hardcoded somewhere?
2018-06-07 18:29:31	HurricanKai	no, holiy moly, its all written into MemoryStream, and then the length is gotten
2018-06-07 18:29:53	pokechu22	Ok, good
2018-06-07 18:37:51	pokechu22	Checking 18w22c (which is what I have on hand): nothing changed in Chunk.java, though they are using full integers for biomes still (which is already noted)
2018-06-07 18:41:12	pokechu22	They did change `<= 8` to `< 9` which I guess is just a decompiler thing.  And there's lots of generics now because of fluid states, but those don't seem to actually be used over the network.  The different palettes all look the same...
2018-06-07 18:41:57	pokechu22	Ah, no, something did chagne
2018-06-07 18:42:20	pokechu22	... incorrectly, yay, this is weird
2018-06-07 18:43:57	pokechu22	The global palette no longer sends anything for its length, instead of sending a 0 (both ways make sense).  Try commenting out the `MinecraftPacket.WriteToStream(stream, (VarInt)0)` on line 90?
2018-06-07 18:44:49	pokechu22	17w47a, wow, this was missed for a while .-.
2018-06-07 18:46:50	pokechu22	Looks like this is only used to determine the size of the buffer to allocate, and it'll allocate one that's slightly too big (one extra byte per chunk section, in this case); that's not an issue, I think...
2018-06-07 18:46:53	pokechu22	but still a bug
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2018-06-07 19:39:45	HurricanKai	ok, so, just remove the pallete code
2018-06-07 19:42:11	HurricanKai	nope, that didnt work... thought it didnt break anything either, well, didnt change anything.. i guess the issue is somewhere before this code...
2018-06-07 19:43:48	HurricanKai	but there is basically no code before that at al
2018-06-07 19:48:24	pokechu22	You also still have the biomes, are you using bytes or ints there?
2018-06-07 19:48:37	HurricanKai	an int[]
2018-06-07 19:48:59	HurricanKai	with 256 things, indexed by z * 16 | x
2018-06-07 19:52:27	pokechu22	When you comment out line 90 does that same error happen?  Or what?
2018-06-07 19:52:53	HurricanKai	you mean the Writing of 0?
2018-06-07 19:53:02	HurricanKai	(cause i have a few edits here
2018-06-07 19:53:19	pokechu22	Yeah, if you just comment out that line, does it still happen?
2018-06-07 19:53:50	HurricanKai	yes
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2018-06-07 20:06:09	pokechu22	What happens if you only send one section (or, even, no sections at all?)
2018-06-07 20:16:45	HurricanKai	 one second
2018-06-07 20:18:46	HurricanKai	im just assuming now that the Chunk is Empty, but the error is the same. pokechu22
2018-06-07 20:19:16	pokechu22	Hm... maybe the issue isn't in the chunk data packet, but another one you're sending?
2018-06-07 20:19:42	HurricanKai	hmm, im using a syncronus Queue, but i can try i guess
2018-06-07 20:21:03	HurricanKai	you are right, wow,im retarded
2018-06-07 20:51:09	HurricanKai	yes, thank you so much, i managed to get it now, the problem was me for some reason putting Server Difficulty Packet on id 0x48 lol
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2018-06-07 21:40:11	rom1504	yunfan: afaik, no
2018-06-07 21:40:37	rom1504	yunfan: we might work on it again but it's not done
2018-06-07 22:06:36	HurricanKai	hey, any tables for the item->block mappings?
2018-06-07 22:06:46	HurricanKai	or do i just have to make on myself
2018-06-07 22:09:35	rom1504	do you mean for placing block ?
2018-06-07 22:26:42	HurricanKai	yeah
2018-06-07 22:26:53	HurricanKai	which items result in which blocks
2018-06-07 22:34:39	HurricanKai	@rom1504
2018-06-07 22:50:42	rom1504	no I don't have that data, but I'm interested too
2018-06-07 22:50:56	HurricanKai	ok. then i will create one ;d
2018-06-07 22:51:19	rom1504	what we do currently is use the same id which works for block
2018-06-07 22:51:32	HurricanKai	wait what?
2018-06-07 22:51:41	HurricanKai	how woud you do that??
2018-06-07 22:51:49	HurricanKai	i mean, the ids are completly different
2018-06-07 22:52:21	rom1504	?
2018-06-07 22:52:22	rom1504	no
2018-06-07 22:52:30	HurricanKai	oh wait, you mean the string ids
2018-06-07 22:52:33	rom1504	in the inventory you can have stone for example
2018-06-07 22:52:36	HurricanKai	yeah, that woud prob. work
2018-06-07 22:52:42	rom1504	no
2018-06-07 22:52:49	HurricanKai	what then?
2018-06-07 22:52:52	rom1504	the protocol gives you the block id in the inventory
2018-06-07 22:52:58	rom1504	then you use it to place a block
2018-06-07 22:53:04	rom1504	that works for blocks
2018-06-07 22:53:14	HurricanKai	no it gives you the item id?
2018-06-07 22:53:33	rom1504	http://minecraft-data.prismarine.js.org/?v=1.12.2&d=items
2018-06-07 22:53:37	rom1504	there is no item id for stone
2018-06-07 22:53:41	rom1504	so clearly no
2018-06-07 22:53:53	HurricanKai	(im working on 1.13)
2018-06-07 22:54:03	rom1504	ah
2018-06-07 22:54:10	rom1504	then I guess you can use the mojang data thing
2018-06-07 22:54:13	HurricanKai	but just using the string ids may work
2018-06-07 22:54:33	HurricanKai	nah, it only outputs a "items.json" and a "blocks.json" which lists each, but not in relation
2018-06-07 22:54:40	rom1504	did they create new item id for each block ?
2018-06-07 22:54:45	HurricanKai	yes
2018-06-07 22:54:54	HurricanKai	item and block ids are completly independent
2018-06-07 22:54:56	rom1504	ah I see
2018-06-07 22:55:06	rom1504	and they also created items for each blocks ?
2018-06-07 22:55:10	HurricanKai	well, it seems like the block and item have the same string id...
2018-06-07 22:55:12	HurricanKai	yes
2018-06-07 22:55:19	rom1504	ok
2018-06-07 22:55:26	rom1504	well then you can match them by string id
2018-06-07 22:55:29	HurricanKai	yeah
2018-06-07 22:55:39	HurricanKai	and have it be self-written for ie. the spawn eggs
2018-06-07 22:55:42	rom1504	that only works for the item that have a direct corresponding block though ;)
2018-06-07 22:55:48	HurricanKai	exactly
2018-06-07 22:55:54	HurricanKai	for all others, well...
2018-06-07 22:56:20	rom1504	https://github.com/PrismarineJS/flying-squid/issues/9
2018-06-07 22:56:27	rom1504	https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Door#ID
2018-06-07 22:56:32	rom1504	you can use that kind of data
2018-06-07 22:57:03	rom1504	might have to go through 1.12 data to get the correspondance since the wiki is not up to date for 1.13
2018-06-07 22:57:06	HurricanKai	yeah, saw it, but those integer ids are just useless
2018-06-07 22:57:24	HurricanKai	the values on the german wiki are more up-to-date for some reason lol
2018-06-07 22:57:49	rom1504	they are useful if you go through 1.12 data
2018-06-07 22:58:21	rom1504	1.13 string -> 1.12 string -> 1.12 id -> corresponding id -> 1.12 string -> 1.13 string
2018-06-07 22:58:22	HurricanKai	yeah
2018-06-07 22:58:30	rom1504	only makes sense if you do it automatically though
2018-06-07 22:58:37	rom1504	otherwise, just read stuff and figure it out
2018-06-07 22:58:39	HurricanKai	yeah, i will include it in my code gen
2018-06-07 22:59:07	HurricanKai	im parsing the blocks.json and item.json and writing cs files with it, shoud be easy to add the links there
2018-06-07 22:59:09	rom1504	anyway, if you do it, would be great to include it as a json file in minecraft-data so other people can use it :)
2018-06-07 22:59:18	rom1504	ok
2018-06-07 22:59:24	HurricanKai	yeah, no idea what minecraft-data is but shure
2018-06-07 22:59:26	HurricanKai	;d
2018-06-07 22:59:29	rom1504	you could generate a item_block_correspondance.json
2018-06-07 22:59:36	HurricanKai	possibly
2018-06-07 22:59:41	HurricanKai	something like that
2018-06-07 22:59:47	HurricanKai	shoud be quite easy
2018-06-07 22:59:55	rom1504	https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data
2018-06-07 23:00:12	rom1504	that's the data displayed here http://minecraft-data.prismarine.js.org/
2018-06-07 23:00:17	rom1504	and used by a bunch of projects
2018-06-07 23:00:24	HurricanKai	oh, great
2018-06-07 23:00:27	rom1504	(including prismarinejs but not only)
2018-06-07 23:00:28	HurricanKai	that is actually great
2018-06-07 23:00:36	HurricanKai	(will use) lol
2018-06-07 23:01:22	HurricanKai	but "256" as name and "iron_shovel" as displayName, and "Iron Shovel" as stackSize
2018-06-07 23:01:25	HurricanKai	hmm, you may wanna fix
2018-06-07 23:01:25	HurricanKai	;d
2018-06-07 23:01:43	HurricanKai	the icons seem to have shifted everything one to the right
2018-06-07 23:01:43	rom1504	ah lol
2018-06-07 23:01:48	rom1504	that's just the gui though
2018-06-07 23:01:54	rom1504	will fix
2018-06-07 23:01:59	rom1504	the file is correct
2018-06-07 23:02:08	HurricanKai	cool
2018-06-07 23:02:15	HurricanKai	yeah, will prob. get a good format done
2018-06-07 23:02:38	rom1504	anyway, feel free to add your correspondance file in data/pc/1.13/correspondance_item_block.json
2018-06-07 23:03:23	HurricanKai	will do. ill have a look into fixing some of the other data too, (ie. Biomes)
2018-06-07 23:03:33	HurricanKai	and then include it in my project too
2018-06-07 23:04:02	HurricanKai	well, will do tomorrow, good night
2018-06-07 23:07:29	rom1504	good night
2018-06-07 23:22:00	rom1504	fixed http://minecraft-data.prismarine.js.org/?d=items
2018-06-07 23:57:09	pokechu22	Oh, right, HurricanKai -- did you end up needing to remove the 0-varint?  Or have you not gotten to that point?
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2018-06-08 02:54:41	pokechu22	I've edited http://wiki.vg/Chunk_Format#Sample_implementations (and a bit of the rest of the article) to try and focus on the palette a bit more, hopefully that makes things a bit clearer?
2018-06-08 02:55:36	pokechu22	I'm not sure I like the "Direct"/"Indirect" terms, but I don't think the terms used in MCP (which focus a bit on the implementation, since they actually use two different ones for the 4-bit and 5-8 bit ones) work here
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2018-06-08 04:11:48	yunfan	rom1504: its interesting that many mcpe plugins were implemented by js, i thought it will be popular in js domain
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2018-06-08 09:08:41	rom1504	Yeah we even have a mcpe plugin integration in flying-squid (our mcpc server)
2018-06-08 09:08:59	rom1504	Implementing mcpe is not that trivial though
2018-06-08 09:09:34	rom1504	Requires some work on having a proper raknet lib to begin with (which I need to find the time to finish)
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2018-06-08 09:10:10	rom1504	Then find/update some packet doc which is usually outdated
2018-06-08 09:10:40	rom1504	And we are not many people doing stuff in PrismarineJS. These days we are basically 2
2018-06-08 09:11:13	rom1504	Other people are interested and follow stuff but don't contribute as much
2018-06-08 09:18:31	yunfan	rom1504: i hope when ES update to version 10, then i could join your work
2018-06-08 09:18:50	yunfan	rom1504: to be honest, i really admire es circle's passion
2018-06-08 09:21:38	+ammar2	yawkat: I don't think sha is even an order of magnitude slower, just twice as bad in the worst case according to this https://stackoverflow.com/a/2723941
2018-06-08 09:22:02	yawkat	ammar2: yea I heard that too but I just tested with hashcat
2018-06-08 09:22:25	yawkat	Probably depends on hash size and hardware
2018-06-08 09:22:32	+ammar2	oh the answer after that says md5 benefits from vector instructions
2018-06-08 09:22:47	+ammar2	hashcat probably has all those implemented for max speed
2018-06-08 09:22:52	yawkat	I tried on my gpu and sha256 was 10x slower, sha512 about 20x
2018-06-08 09:23:25	yawkat	I think they also have higher static overhead for small payloads.
2018-06-08 09:23:56	+ammar2	oh yeah they definitely do
2018-06-08 09:25:59	yunfan	really? only 2x slower from sha256 to sha512?
2018-06-08 09:27:00	yawkat	Well they're very similar.
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2018-06-08 09:27:26	yawkat	Both sha2 family.
2018-06-08 09:28:19	+ammar2	512 is pretty much the same as 256 but operating on 64 bit words
2018-06-08 09:28:19	yawkat	Was actually about 3 times slower though apparently. I only looked at the first digit.
2018-06-08 09:28:25	yawkat	Yea.
2018-06-08 09:28:41	yawkat	The difference is probably due to static overhead mostly.
2018-06-08 09:28:45	yunfan	but isnt that caused 2^n operation?
2018-06-08 09:28:51	yawkat	Nope
2018-06-08 09:28:57	yunfan	ok
2018-06-08 09:30:03	+ammar2	still n operations, assuming their computer is 64 bit
2018-06-08 09:30:11	+ammar2	well ~n
2018-06-08 09:33:37	yunfan	but you dont have 256bit cpu word
2018-06-08 09:35:46	+ammar2	por que?
2018-06-08 09:38:22	yawkat	The 256/512 are the sizes that it spits out at the end.
2018-06-08 09:39:07	+ammar2	in bits, yeah?
2018-06-08 09:39:22	+ammar2	oh 
2018-06-08 09:39:25	+ammar2	yeah
2018-06-08 09:39:31	+ammar2	sorry hard a brain fart
2018-06-08 09:43:13	+ammar2	aah I finally found the technical term for the talk about making it slower
2018-06-08 09:43:16	+ammar2	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_stretching
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2018-06-08 13:41:43	HurricanKai	yes pokechu22 it doesnt seem to be needed anymore
2018-06-08 14:15:29	HurricanKai	rom1504: does PrismarineJS/minecraft-data provide a latest data set? (so i can ie. inherit "boundingBox" from previous versions)
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2018-06-08 16:14:18	rom1504	No we just have a copy for each version
2018-06-08 16:14:31	HurricanKai	ok
2018-06-08 16:14:49	rom1504	A lot of the data is autogenerated from various sources though, see the readme
2018-06-08 16:14:58	HurricanKai	yeah, saw
2018-06-08 16:17:12	HurricanKai	also rom1504 i wanted to ask if im allowed to change the format to this: https://imgur.com/a/dLRinuN
2018-06-08 16:17:20	HurricanKai	cause the current doesnt fit for 1.13
2018-06-08 16:18:43	Hafydd	Achievement unlocked: took a screenshot of plain text and uploaded it to imgur.
2018-06-08 16:19:07	HurricanKai	lol
2018-06-08 16:19:23	HurricanKai	too lazy to open hastebin
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2018-06-09 17:59:17	barneygale	Hi all. The minecraft wiki page on Anvil says that it allows a maximum block ID of 4096 (2^12) - has this changed for 1.13 due to the flattening?
2018-06-09 17:59:45	pokechu22	Yeah, it has.  I don't think the anvil page is anywhere close to up-to-date for the new save format
2018-06-09 18:02:07	barneygale	Perhaps it's something for wiki.vg? When I've implemented it before I've had to pull information from a bunch of different sources
2018-06-09 18:02:33	barneygale	I'm about to attempt an implementation in quarry so I could write or update a wiki page as I go.
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2018-06-09 18:04:54	pokechu22	I think there actually is a temporary article on there, but most of that information probably _should_ be on the main wiki too
2018-06-09 18:05:22	pokechu22	http://wiki.vg/User:Chibill/Map_Format -- no idea if this is up-to-date or not
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2018-06-09 18:12:22	barneygale	Judging by that page, has the old region file header been removed? https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Region_file_format#Structure
2018-06-09 18:12:56	pokechu22	I don't think it has.  I think only the NBT content of it has changed... but I'm not fully sure
2018-06-09 18:13:20	barneygale	Makes sense. I'll do some experiments!
2018-06-09 18:13:20	pokechu22	That article's based on http://wiki.vg/Map_Format which... I don't even know how old it is
2018-06-09 18:14:30	barneygale	5th most recent edit is from me in 2012 :P
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2018-06-09 18:40:04	barneygale	Am I right in thinking the Mojang server will keep track of which chunk sections are dirty, and only save chunks marked dirty? And if so, I guess that means it implements some sort of malloc()-like algorithm for fitting expanded/contracted chunks into an existing .mca file?
2018-06-09 18:43:01	pokechu22	I'm not sure exactly, haven't checked that part of it
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2018-06-09 18:59:00	PolarizedIons	Not related to anything said, but I just like how there's a person in here called called "not" getting constantly pinged (probably)
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2018-06-09 19:09:15	pokechu22	I believe that's the notifico bot and not (Not) an actual human
2018-06-09 19:21:48	barneygale	The German minecraft wiki has some good info on the 1.13 changes: https://minecraft-de.gamepedia.com/Chunkdaten
2018-06-09 19:26:32	tktech	Yeah it's just the bot.
2018-06-09 19:26:50	+ammar2	bots have feelings too :(
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2018-06-09 22:42:44	keetrainchild_	Hello, I am trying to make something happen when a player shoots a wooden button with an arrow.  However, event.getHitBlock().getType() seems to return the block that the button is on, not the button itself.  getEntity() doesn't work for that, either.  Does anyone have any ideas?  My code:  https://pastebin.com/9EPtxDun
2018-06-09 22:43:31	keetrainchild_	I know that the code is suboptimal, but I was just troubleshooting each sequence to try to figure out what the problem is.
2018-06-09 22:45:23	keetrainchild_	I suppose that I could somehow check what objects are near the entity... I thought that I saw getNearbyEntity() or getNearbyBlock() somewhere, but it seems that I should be able to check whether a projectile hits a button.
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2018-06-09 23:07:49	barneygale	I've managed to get .mca read/write working \o/
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2018-06-09 23:28:56	barneygale	I've never been so happy to see a big bedrock cube
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2018-06-10 04:57:23	barneygale	For the record, this page still seems to be an accurate description of the .mca file format as of 18w21b: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Region_file_format#Structure
2018-06-10 04:58:13	barneygale	In 1.13, blocks in .mca are stored with the same sort of palette + tightly-packed-long-array scheme as on the network
2018-06-10 04:58:28	barneygale	... except that the palette uses block names rather than IDs
2018-06-10 05:09:07	barneygale	Support for .mca in quarry is now available: http://quarry.readthedocs.io/en/latest/data_types/chunks.html#regions
2018-06-10 05:10:07	barneygale	`RegionFile.save_chunk()` just does a linear search over the extents header to find space for the chunk. There might be better ways to do it.
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2018-06-10 21:16:02	saper	how does ResourceManager find assets? I am starting offline minecraft client like this https://ylog.eu/start-minecraft.txt (mostly copied from the launcher) and it cannot find translations and sounds (they are there in assets/objects, also assets/indexes/1.12.json looks fine). 
2018-06-10 21:18:14	rom1504	there's a json file with all the path
2018-06-10 21:18:39	rom1504	read https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-wrap/blob/master/lib/wrap_client.js and https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-wrap/blob/master/lib/launcher_download.js if you need details
2018-06-10 21:35:34	saper	rom1504: I can see game_assets being set etc (also assets_root) https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-wrap/blob/85ff86da7f5d19324642c326e24406562278626f/lib/wrap_client.js#L154 but it does not seem to be used anywhere. java invocation does not use it :(
2018-06-10 21:36:45	saper	and I have assets/indexes/1.12.json file in there that looks good (I think you meant that file)
2018-06-10 21:38:47	saper	let me try current directory https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-wrap/blob/85ff86da7f5d19324642c326e24406562278626f/lib/wrap_client.js#L176
2018-06-10 21:39:44	saper	[21:38:12] [Client thread/WARN]: Missing sound for event: minecraft:music.end
2018-06-10 21:39:45	saper	nope
2018-06-10 21:41:48	pokechu22	FYI, the version JSON tells you most of the stuff you need to launch the game
2018-06-10 21:42:36	pokechu22	https://launchermeta.mojang.com/mc/game/cf72a57ff499d6d9ade870b2143ee54958bd33ef/1.12.2.json
2018-06-10 21:43:09	pokechu22	Focus on `minecraftArguments` (libraries is important, but you've already handled all of that)
2018-06-10 21:52:46	saper	but I guess that it does not know either 1) where to find that json file 2) where to find hashes pointed by it
2018-06-10 21:52:54	saper	let me move the file away and see what happens
2018-06-10 21:53:30	pokechu22	https://launchermeta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest.json is the starting point
2018-06-10 21:53:36	saper	or maybe I can use SecurityManager of java and try to get all file accesses
2018-06-10 21:54:13	saper	I think I am past that since the launcher has downloaded all it wanted and I am not using the launcher anymore
2018-06-10 21:55:20	pokechu22	Yeah, if you've already downloaded it via the launcher you're probably fine, just note that sometimes assets are updated and such and you'll need to use the launcher (or write a lot of asset-managing code) to handle that
2018-06-10 21:55:28	saper	after removing assets/indexes/1.12.json it behaves the same way
2018-06-10 21:55:47	saper	I am connecting to my server only for testing (offline mode) 
2018-06-10 21:56:15	saper	so most likely it does not even find that index file
2018-06-10 21:56:51	rom1504	saper: there's a "1.6" comment there...
2018-06-10 21:57:09	rom1504	you want everything about the 1.8 comment (that's 1.12)
2018-06-10 21:57:16	rom1504	it's used by java
2018-06-10 21:57:35	saper	rom1504: how? it is not passed to java
2018-06-10 21:58:02	rom1504	yes it's passed
2018-06-10 21:58:05	rom1504	there https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-wrap/blob/85ff86da7f5d19324642c326e24406562278626f/lib/wrap_client.js#L170
2018-06-10 21:59:06	rom1504	btw if you're looking for a cli launcher, you can just use node-minecraft-wrap directly
2018-06-10 21:59:47	rom1504	npm install -g minecraft-wrap then runMinecraft [<minecraft dir>] [<version>] [<username>] [<password>]
2018-06-10 22:01:01	saper	versionInfo.minecraftArguments this is also interesting
2018-06-10 22:01:21	saper	rom1504: I don't see asset paths being passed in L170
2018-06-10 22:01:25	keetrainchild_	I'm sorry to repost, but it looks like quite a few people have come and left.  I hope that this is the right place to ask.
2018-06-10 22:01:27	saper	but minecraftArguments
2018-06-10 22:01:31	keetrainchild_	Hello, I am trying to make something happen when a player shoots a wooden button with an arrow.  However, event.getHitBlock().getType() seems to return the block that the button is on, not the button itself.  getEntity() doesn't work for that, either.  Does anyone have any ideas?  My code:  https://pastebin.com/9EPtxDun
2018-06-10 22:01:49	pokechu22	keetrainchild_: bukkit?
2018-06-10 22:01:58	keetrainchild_	Yes, Spigot
2018-06-10 22:02:18	saper	    "minecraftArguments": "--username ${auth_player_name} --version ${version_name} --gameDir ${game_directo
2018-06-10 22:02:20	rom1504	saper: it generate code passed by minecraft json file in minecraftArguments and automatically uses variable in same context because it's an eval
2018-06-10 22:02:21	saper	ry} --assetsDir ${assets_root} --assetIndex ${assets_index_name} --uuid ${auth_uuid} --accessToken ${auth_ac
2018-06-10 22:02:24	saper	cess_token} --userType ${user_type} --versionType ${version_type}",
2018-06-10 22:02:27	rom1504	yes that
2018-06-10 22:02:30	saper	rom1504: it comes from the launcher file
2018-06-10 22:02:40	rom1504	yes mc wrap is using that
2018-06-10 22:02:51	saper	cool
2018-06-10 22:02:53	pokechu22	Not sure how many people here work with that, we're usually at a lower level.  Spigot does have their own IRC: http://irc.spi.gt/ (#spigot there)
2018-06-10 22:02:56	rom1504	that syntax is bash template string and turns out it's the same as js template string
2018-06-10 22:03:08	keetrainchild_	pokechu22: Thanks, I'll try there.
2018-06-10 22:03:08	pokechu22	The arrow does basically pass through the button though, so the behavior is kinda confusing
2018-06-10 22:03:09	saper	I am not setting --gameDir --assetsDir and --assetIndex
2018-06-10 22:04:23	saper	for offline mode I don't need --uuid apparently
2018-06-10 22:05:03	pokechu22	For assets to work you need assetsDir and assetIndex
2018-06-10 22:05:22	pokechu22	(sounds and such are the assets handled by those; images are still assets but they're inside the jar itself)
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2018-06-10 22:06:15	pokechu22	gameDir defaults to %appdata%\.minecraft on windows, and I think ~/.minecraft (or ~/minecraft?) on linux; you _probably_ don't need to specify it but you might want to
2018-06-10 22:06:28	rom1504	~/.minecraft on linux
2018-06-10 22:06:53	saper	yes it FreeBSD so it's ~/.minecraft
2018-06-10 22:07:02	pokechu22	However if it launched successfully without it, you probably don't need to include it, but probably still should just for clarity/if you want to change it
2018-06-10 22:09:52	saper	cool now it complains "Can't find the resource index files: /base/assets/indexes/1.12.json"
2018-06-10 22:09:55	saper	perfect
2018-06-10 22:09:59	saper	at least now it says
2018-06-10 22:10:04	saper	what it needs :0
2018-06-10 22:10:33	pokechu22	Didn't you say you deleted that?
2018-06-10 22:10:51	saper	no the path is wrong, I made a mistake
2018-06-10 22:11:03	saper	it works!
2018-06-10 22:11:10	saper	with music!
2018-06-10 22:11:48	saper	and has translations!
2018-06-10 22:12:53	pokechu22	Ah, yeah, language files other than english are also assets because they're updated frequently apart from main releases
2018-06-10 22:14:00	saper	https://ylog.eu/start-minecraft.txt last 3 lines had to be added
2018-06-10 22:14:33	saper	yes, they are inside I look at the assets/objects files
2018-06-10 22:14:47	saper	some of them are oggs for music and some are text
2018-06-10 22:15:23	pokechu22	Yeah.  The asset index actually specifies what the files are; I think they have them hashed like that to avoid long file names and so that different versions can be present for different MC versions
2018-06-10 22:15:57	saper	thank you very very much
2018-06-10 22:16:23	saper	obviously the objects directory is content addressed
2018-06-10 22:16:54	saper	the files are named by SHA-1 sums of themselves
2018-06-10 22:17:10	saper	perfect for caching them forever in the browsers/CDNs/whatever
2018-06-10 22:19:01	saper	I only wish I could add jython.jar to all those jars and hack interactively :)
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2018-06-11 01:08:52	barneygale	I've managed to create a chunk section containing 260 unique block types, and it seems that 1.13 will save such a chunk with a 9-bit palette to an .mca file
2018-06-11 01:09:08	barneygale	So it doesn't match the way the protocol stores it once you get to >8 bits
2018-06-11 01:19:37	pokechu22	Hm, that seems wrong but I'm not 100% sure how the disk protocol works
2018-06-11 01:23:28	pokechu22	Though it also wouldn't have an equivalent to the global palette, since it always needs to write the state out (can't just use a state ID since those change)
2018-06-11 01:25:16	barneygale	Ah, that makes sense.
2018-06-11 01:26:25	barneygale	https://gist.github.com/barneygale/fa69ab6f7a3112d4a76830313c313cb4#file-gistfile1-txt-L1222
2018-06-11 01:26:43	barneygale	The number of longs in BlockStates matches what you'd expect from 9 bits per block
2018-06-11 01:27:16	barneygale	Damn, this rather ruins my plan of using the same storage mechanism for on-disk and over-the-network
2018-06-11 01:31:53	pokechu22	Looks like they build up a new palette and data array when saving
2018-06-11 01:32:18	pokechu22	Makes sense, because the regular palette might still have entries for things that don't exist anymore (if a diamond block was placed and broken for instance)
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