2017-08-02 21:15:15	kashike	hash is only used to check the hash against the file if it exists, and after downloaded if it doesn't exist, as far as I can see
2017-08-02 21:15:18	+Dinnerbone	And still set the hash
2017-08-02 21:17:50	timmyRS	Dinnerbone, could it be that velocity of a player is being reduced when they hit other entities (at a high rate)?
2017-08-02 21:18:24	+Dinnerbone	I don't know man, it's been a very long time since I touched that and I just sat down at the pc for the first time after getting home. Sorry, I don't know!
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2017-08-02 21:18:53	timmyRS	Ok thanks, I will do some testing soon to find out what might be causing it.
2017-08-02 21:19:12	iso2013	What caused the duplication glitch in 1.12? I figured since 1.12.1 is going to be released tomorrow and most major server platforms have patched it it'd be okay to ask
2017-08-02 21:38:51	pokechu22	iso2013: I don't know the specifics, but I think it was something with the server not doing any validation on the packets for the recipe book and things getting out of sync
2017-08-02 21:42:50	Tuxel	the server has way too less validation, points me to some crashes related to maps with invalid nbt tags in creative mode (dont know if this was ever reported)
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2017-08-02 23:06:07	momothereal	Oh hey I had a question for the person managing this channel - I think my IP was banned from this channel and I'm not sure why, I haven't been on here for a couple of weeks and I only come occasionally to ask questions so
2017-08-02 23:06:50	momothereal	I'm coming here through my VPS but I'd like to know why my home IP is blocked if possible :)
2017-08-02 23:16:58	Mustek	according to the ban list, everyone using freenode webchat is banned
2017-08-02 23:18:27	timmyRS	Why is that?
2017-08-02 23:18:36	Mustek	ask tk
2017-08-02 23:19:11	iso2013	<opinion>Probably because generally people who use webchat aren't going to take rules or the point of the chat as seriously</opinion>
2017-08-02 23:19:23	momothereal	Oh
2017-08-02 23:19:36	Mustek	so yeah, get a real irc client
2017-08-02 23:24:33	momothereal	Yeah, I just never really use IRC for anything else so I never really needed one
2017-08-02 23:28:37	momothereal	I guess I'll just keep connecting via this server then, I only need IRC once every month
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2017-08-02 23:29:36	pokechu22	Yea, I use(d) webchat ocassionally when I needed to ask a quick question or respond to people (using the logs); I personally don't think it needs to be banned either.
2017-08-02 23:29:52	pokechu22	But there are issues with people who pop in and then disappear with no way to respond
2017-08-02 23:31:24	momothereal	Yeah I can understand that, I`d generally just use the logs if I was waiting for a response after closing webchat
2017-08-02 23:31:49	momothereal	And it's not like I'm needed here when I'm offline anyway :)
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2017-08-03 00:42:57	timmyRS	So reguarding to the reduced knockback at high clickspeeds: We've found out this only works for items with knockback.
2017-08-03 00:44:10	pokechu22	As in the enchantment?
2017-08-03 00:45:06	Skillmo	yes
2017-08-03 00:48:42	timmyRS	Skillmo is the guy who helps me test stuff.
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2017-08-03 03:14:55	tktech	The ban list was cleared a few weeks ago.
2017-08-03 03:15:00	tktech	Webchat is banned due to flooding.
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2017-08-03 03:56:31	iso2013	It would be really cool to see a return of seamless teleporting :D
2017-08-03 03:59:43	kashike	iso2013: elaborate
2017-08-03 04:00:19	iso2013	In a few versions of Minecraft (not sure which) it was possible to teleport the player without them being able to see visual changes indicating they moved
2017-08-03 04:00:32	iso2013	1 sec I'll find a clip
2017-08-03 04:01:53	iso2013	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469wMsx3FXw
2017-08-03 04:02:39	iso2013	:o It looks like it's actually a bug
2017-08-03 04:02:48	kashike	link?
2017-08-03 04:02:59	iso2013	https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-4686
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2017-08-03 10:42:39	timmyRS	Our bug seems like it has already been reported here: https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-7873
2017-08-03 10:43:37	timmyRS	Vanilla 1.12 is definitely affected
2017-08-03 12:44:48	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker pushed 12 commits to master [+11/-12/±31] https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/compare/b2d31c9f6fd8...0b85e4f715fc
2017-08-03 12:44:50	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker f9ef2d8 - core: Use io.error.writefln for OpenGL debug
2017-08-03 12:44:51	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker 2689e4c - gfx: Make glCheckError return if a error was found
2017-08-03 12:44:53	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker abfb8f8 - gfx: Add more framebuffer error names
2017-08-03 12:44:54	Not	[Charge] ... and 9 more commits.
2017-08-03 13:21:42	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker pushed 1 commit to openhmd-demo [+6/-0/±1] https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/compare/c6f689a9910c...b073a7df5251
2017-08-03 13:21:44	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker b073a7d - ohmd: Add VR demo
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2017-08-03 14:35:24	+Amaranth	timmyRS: It's because knockback is done server side but player movement is client side
2017-08-03 14:36:02	+Amaranth	So your position and velocity client side will vary when you receive the server velocity update packet
2017-08-03 14:36:47	+Amaranth	You need to move one or the other, they need to be done in the same place
2017-08-03 14:43:50	timmyRS	That makes a bit of sense, but it is kind of game breaking when people dont take any knockback in pvp fights, especially in game modes where knockback is an important part of it
2017-08-03 14:55:07	Botched	[VERSION] Minecraft Snapshot 1.12.1 has been released!
2017-08-03 14:55:11	Botched	[VERSION] Minecraft Release 1.12.1 has been released!
2017-08-03 14:56:46	timmyRS	whoo bugs
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2017-08-03 17:56:14	Not	[Burger] New data now avaliable for 1.12.1:
2017-08-03 17:56:16	Not	[Burger] Diff from 1.12.1-pre1: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.12.1-pre1_1.12.1.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/diff_1.12.1-pre1_1.12.1.json)
2017-08-03 17:56:17	Not	[Burger] Full data: http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.12.1.html (http://pokechu22.github.io/Burger/1.12.1.json)
2017-08-03 17:57:20	pokechu22	Just a protocol version, nothing else
2017-08-03 17:58:27	timmyRS	Will you document what those unknown packets are soon?
2017-08-03 17:59:38	pokechu22	The recipe book isn't my strong suit; I'll try but I don't have that much existing knowledge of it (but the diffs are really useful)
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2017-08-03 18:41:02	MVXA	I just randomly noticed that the vanilla minecraft_server jar file size jumped from 9.3M at 1.11.2 to 29M at 1.12.1. Where does the extra size come from? Any new library linked with the server? I'm just curious.
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2017-08-03 18:44:28	pokechu22	fastutil, now the full version of it (since java 8 is being used) instead of a hacked out subset
2017-08-03 18:46:04	-->	samfty (~quassel@203.63.46.134) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-03 18:46:21	MVXA	"fastutil extends the Java™ Collections Framework by providing type-specific maps, sets, lists and queues with a small memory footprint and fast access and insertion; provides also big (64-bit) arrays, sets and lists, and fast, practical I/O classes for binary and text files." Sounds interesting. I'm not well versed in java development, since I come from python myself. 
2017-08-03 18:49:52	pokechu22	 It's really convenient; it's just large since there's a lot of duplicate code for different types (to be clear: java generics doesn't support primitive types, only the boxed object variants, which causes a performance loss)
2017-08-03 18:59:27	MVXA	Thought so … thanks for the insight, I understand what you're saying. I did a little bit of java development back then at a vocational college here in germany so I can read most of that stuff. But I don't know my unknowns in java development. 
2017-08-03 19:02:12	timmyRS	Why do I always read VarInts instead of variants? You did this to me D:
2017-08-03 19:09:57	kashike	pokechu22: that dirt background.. eurgh :P
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2017-08-03 19:51:29	Hafydd	I don't know how many times I've typed "eula=true" in my life.
2017-08-03 19:54:28	MVXA	one time too often it seems. ;D
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2017-08-03 20:08:34	pokechu22	Right now, I more or less know what the two new packets are (on http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol); one of them is from the client's end the same as "Prepare Crafting Grid" but actually works way differently, and the other is a response.  I just don't have names for them.
2017-08-03 20:11:32	winger_sendon	I've been working on chunk saving for my server and wondered if my approach is sensible. Currently, in another thread, it goes through the chunk map and saves them. I used locks for synchronization.. But then I checked glowstone project and they don't seem to be using locks in chunks at all (setblock and getblock). Am I doing something wrong?
2017-08-03 20:20:09	Black_Hole	pokechu22, how about UseRecipeRequest and UseRecipeResponse?
2017-08-03 20:47:26	rom1504	somebody wants to give a name to http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Unknown_.28clientbound.29 ?
2017-08-03 20:47:29	rom1504	ah
2017-08-03 20:47:37	rom1504	you've been talking about that I see
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2017-08-03 20:49:56	timmyRS	Craft Recipe seems fitting
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2017-08-04 01:15:24	pokechu22	Both sound good to me; I'll try "Craft Recipe Request" and "Craft Recipe Response" (but if someone comes up with a better name, feel free to change it)
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2017-08-04 01:35:23	kashike	those names sound reasonable
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2017-08-04 01:52:39	pokechu22	Alright, going to merge into the main article now.
2017-08-04 02:09:38	pokechu22	And, done.
2017-08-04 02:44:54	Aikar	is work on the native launcher going to continue for linux? not working on major distros is kind of a major fail
2017-08-04 02:45:10	Aikar	I just tried to use it, and the issues with libicu57 still isnt resolved
2017-08-04 02:45:48	Aikar	least downgrade the launcher to libicu55 so itll work for most people using LTS 
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2017-08-04 18:03:34	coderbot	pokechu22: How about just Crafting Request and Crafting Response?
2017-08-04 18:17:16	coderbot	Also, I just noticed the documentation for client status on the current page mentions it's used when spawning after death, but that hasn't been the case since the netty rewrite
2017-08-04 18:17:51	coderbot	*not spawning after death, I meant complete login
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2017-08-04 18:46:07	timmyRS	Will Minecraft ever support IPv6? You can only join servers with an IPv4 which kind of sucks as IPv4s have ran out...
2017-08-04 18:49:48	coderbot	What happens when you put in an IPv6 addr?
2017-08-04 18:52:16	timmyRS	Unknown Protocol Family
2017-08-04 18:52:21	coderbot	eww
2017-08-04 18:53:09	coderbot	I wonder if the server accepts IPv6 connections from a modded client?
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2017-08-04 19:13:02	+ammar2	ever support it? probably.
2017-08-04 19:16:34	coderbot	On an unrelated note, I'm kind of curious why Mojang hasn't started to use structures for other naturally generated things like jungle temples and ocean monuments
2017-08-04 19:17:17	coderbot	it's much better than just hardcoding them into the world generator
2017-08-04 19:18:22	timmyRS	Maybe they will in the 1.13 with all the datapack stuff?
2017-08-04 19:19:02	coderbot	At this rate 1.13 is going to become the "we're going to fix everything update"
2017-08-04 19:19:40	timmyRS	Maybe they will finally remove Herobrine
2017-08-04 19:21:15	coderbot	Plot twist: They re-add Herobrine to all previous versions using launcher code patching
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2017-08-04 19:21:53	coderbot	like with the whole blacklist thing
2017-08-04 19:32:28	jamierocks	[18:12:36] +ammar2:	ever support it? probably.
2017-08-04 19:32:29	jamierocks	kinda sounds like a modding api response :p
2017-08-04 19:33:00	coderbot	It will be released in a bundle with the Modding API, Half Life 3, and TF2's Pyro Update
2017-08-04 19:34:47	timmyRS	wow mojang working together with valve? incredible.
2017-08-04 19:37:05	coderbot	I mean, they both use Valve Time system
2017-08-04 19:37:20	coderbot	*use the
2017-08-04 19:37:35	timmyRS	I think the RCON system is also an invention by valve, right?
2017-08-04 19:38:00	coderbot	yeah, except Mojang implemented it in the absolute worst way possible
2017-08-04 19:38:15	coderbot	It actually works well in Valve games
2017-08-04 19:38:38	coderbot	In valve games it's the preferred way to send commands to the server
2017-08-04 19:40:55	coderbot	In minecraft RCON is so terrible you're better off just setting up SSH and GNU Screen, at least that way the password is encrypted
2017-08-04 19:42:09	timmyRS	I never actually bothered to look into Minecraft RCON since it is just so rarely used, but if the password is not encrypted it feels kind of useless
2017-08-04 19:42:45	coderbot	I don't think it's encrypted in Source / Valve games either
2017-08-04 19:42:45	+ammar2	meh, just generate a long ass random password
2017-08-04 19:43:06	+ammar2	there's a secure rcon that came after that has encryption I think
2017-08-04 19:43:41	timmyRS	an interesting idea a custom server could do is generate a rcon password on demand and then securely mail it to you
2017-08-04 19:43:54	timmyRS	but then again you could just type your console commands in the chat itself
2017-08-04 19:44:04	coderbot	exactly
2017-08-04 19:44:42	coderbot	it's only useful when you're not an OP for some reason but want to run OP commands
2017-08-04 19:44:53	pokechu22	Aren't all the stupid RCON problems (like no packet with ID 1) actually part of the original implementation?  (Well, other than the threading problems)
2017-08-04 19:45:13	coderbot	https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_RCON_Protocol
2017-08-04 19:45:28	coderbot	there aren't any packets with ID 1
2017-08-04 19:45:32	coderbot	so yeah
2017-08-04 19:47:35	coderbot	In the Source rcon protocol, the max payload length for responses is 4096, but Minecraft sets it to 1248
2017-08-04 19:48:08	coderbot	but they don't change the split code which expects a max payload length of 4096
2017-08-04 19:51:08	coderbot	The other 3rd party protocol, Query, is useless because barely any servers enable it, which makes it pointless to use it over SLP
2017-08-04 19:55:26	coderbot	I think they should just add a form of Rcon to the standard protocol, and make it use standard MC packet formats
2017-08-04 19:56:30	rom1504	That's status state
2017-08-04 19:56:54	coderbot	Status is for pinging, like Query, I'm talking about for Rcon (remote commands execution)
2017-08-04 19:59:07	rom1504	Yeah maybe there should be a command state
2017-08-04 19:59:38	coderbot	Although that would break every 3rd party implementation that expects there to be only 2 different states in the Handshake packet
2017-08-04 20:19:47	rom1504	The Minecraft protocol isn't exactly stable
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2017-08-04 22:55:21	+Amaranth	Minecraft's RCON implementation started as a mod from one of the big server hosts, afaik
2017-08-04 22:55:56	+Amaranth	Because their control panel spoke rcon and it was easier to mod Minecraft every version than add some kind of shell library
2017-08-04 22:57:16	+Amaranth	timmyRS: Minecraft supported IPv6 back in 2011, you just had to use [::1] for the IP
2017-08-04 22:57:23	+Amaranth	Wrap it in [] I mean
2017-08-04 23:01:34	timmyRS	Well then my mistake, sorry.
2017-08-04 23:16:41	+Grum	which is a common (sadly) way of writing it if you also need to support a port :(
2017-08-04 23:16:53	+Grum	though without a [] i guess it should just assume no port
2017-08-04 23:18:30	+Amaranth	I don't remember if that's a standard thing or just a Java thing
2017-08-04 23:18:36	+Amaranth	But it's not a Minecraft thing for sure
2017-08-04 23:18:52	+Amaranth	Minecraft basically supported IPv6 on accident :P
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2017-08-04 23:36:49	tktech	The Java BCL had "transparent" support for it before pretty much everyone else.
2017-08-04 23:39:09	tktech	Added back in 2002
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2017-08-05 00:55:45	Redrield	What are the first things I should do after the connect state switches to play (Server side0
2017-08-05 00:56:51	+ammar2	send them a position and look packet, and then the map chunks
2017-08-05 00:57:11	+ammar2	http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F
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2017-08-05 09:54:16	Tachyon_	lel
2017-08-05 09:54:21	Tachyon_	1.12.1, really ?
2017-08-05 09:56:37	Tachyon_	are there even any protocol changes ?
2017-08-05 10:02:03	MiniDigger	New packets craft recipe request/repsonce one packet removed (prepare crafting grid) and a version bump to 338
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2017-08-06 05:23:03	MVXA	Are these bug of the week showcase videos by ilmango actually helpful to you guys? I guess they can help to reproduce a bug. 
2017-08-06 06:11:59	pokechu22	I haven't been following those, but discussion of bugs (particularly analysis that leads to a fix) is always useful
2017-08-06 06:12:58	pokechu22	timmyRS has been looking into MC-79154 which is nice, but I don't know if that's exactly caused by those showcases
2017-08-06 06:14:19	pokechu22	I do actively follow panda's videos (but those are a lot more about the code behind it)
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2017-08-06 06:46:51	Redrield	Does anyone know why I would be getting the handshake packet perfectly, except for the protocol version? Length was fine, id was fine, protocol version  was horribly mangled, then address port and state were fine
2017-08-06 06:47:07	Redrield	This is the toString() of my representation of the packet 'PacketHandshake(protocol=10496, server=localhost, port=25565, state=1)'
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2017-08-06 06:55:55	+ammar2	weird, sure your varint code is good?
2017-08-06 06:58:00	+ammar2	338 the latest proto version is just big enough that it goes onto 2 bytes for a VarInt
2017-08-06 06:58:28	+ammar2	you might not have seen an issue with the other varints because they're smaller than 2^7
2017-08-06 06:59:05	+ammar2	Redrield: ^
2017-08-06 07:13:42	Redrield	https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1ee249f5568d69af74cdc6d501f84b5d
2017-08-06 07:13:46	Redrield	VarInt code right therre ^
2017-08-06 07:13:49	pokechu22	Yea, that looks like a bad VarInt implementation to me; you're reading the right number of bytes, but you're breaking the actual returned number.  Try some of the other test cases from the wiki
2017-08-06 07:15:09	pokechu22	I don't know the precedence in that language; try out or ((inByte and 0x7F) shl (bytes++ * 7))
2017-08-06 07:15:42	Redrield	Gonna try an implementation I know to be sound
2017-08-06 07:20:39	Redrield	Strange... Even that impl is spitting out the same number.
2017-08-06 07:21:32	Redrield	Wait! ah, that fixed it. Precedence was messed up
2017-08-06 07:21:50	Redrield	Was evaluating to (out or (inByte and 0x7F)) shl (bytes++ * 7)
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2017-08-06 15:18:40	Redrield	Can anyone help me figure out what's wrong with this packet encoder code? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/318d038707f9b3ce6122017ded2dc8cd
2017-08-06 15:19:19	Redrield	Getting this from the client Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOException: Packet 2/0 (mk) was larger than I expected, found 172 bytes extra whilst reading packet 0"
2017-08-06 15:19:46	Redrield	P.S buf.writeByteArray just writes the byte[] prefixed with its length as a varint
2017-08-06 16:18:18	+ammar2	the packet id is a VarInt but they should be equivalent for 0x1. Show us writeString and writeByteArray
2017-08-06 16:30:34	Redrield	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ one would think they'd be equivalent
2017-08-06 16:30:41	Redrield	But when I saw that and changed it, it worked
2017-08-06 19:49:12	timmyRS	pokechu22, I might be a bit late but I'm not Timothy Miller
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2017-08-06 22:27:43	MVXA	pokechu22, do you have a link for me? Would also interested in these (googling for minecraft and panda is a little bit weird)
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2017-08-07 03:20:50	pokechu22	MVXA: http://youtube.com/user/panda4994
2017-08-07 03:22:47	pokechu22	timmyRS: Sorry, don't know how I got confused about that...  For some reason I thought it was you, but looking back over logs shows that it was someone else
2017-08-07 03:46:48	MVXA	very interesting, thanks for sharing!
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2017-08-07 10:58:53	Not	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/e5f9f4fad530...28cde57302b1
2017-08-07 10:58:54	Not	[mineflayer] rom1504 28cde57 - fix #327 , fix #573
2017-08-07 12:08:03	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 3 commits to master [+4/-0/±11] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/4d31c08c58c0...0928432be522
2017-08-07 12:08:05	Not	[minecraft-data] DeliciousJaffa a4b50b5 - Perform incremental updates for 1.12.1
2017-08-07 12:08:06	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 73292e1 - finish 1.12.1 updates (see http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=13289&oldid=13286 ). new packets : * play/toClient : craft_recipe_response * play/toServer : craft_recipe_request removed packets : * play/toServer : prepare_crafting_grid
2017-08-07 12:08:08	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 0928432 - Merge pull request #189 from DeliciousJaffa/1.12.1 Updates for 1.12.1
2017-08-07 12:10:38	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/0928432be522...560fe6e4d163
2017-08-07 12:10:40	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 560fe6e - Release 2.20.0
2017-08-07 12:10:45	Not	[minecraft-data] rom1504 tagged 560fe6e as 2.20.0 https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/commit/560fe6e4d1634c2ce00c300c5fcff0af20890064
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2017-08-07 20:21:46	timmyRS	How can an entity (e.g. FallingBlock) have no gravity in the 1.8? (I'm working on protocol level)
2017-08-07 20:28:31	rom1504	there is no gravity protocol level
2017-08-07 20:29:25	rom1504	you could implement reverse gravity, changing gravity, or whatever form of gravity you want
2017-08-07 20:29:51	rom1504	entities just float if you implement nothing
2017-08-07 20:30:11	rom1504	(except some like item stack where the gravity is computed by the client anyway)
2017-08-07 20:30:40	rom1504	did that change after 1.8 ?
2017-08-07 20:31:02	timmyRS	Yes there is the No Gravity Metadata http://wiki.vg/Entities#Entity
2017-08-07 20:31:26	rom1504	ah
2017-08-07 20:31:29	rom1504	what is that for ?
2017-08-07 20:31:39	timmyRS	to make an entity have no gravity
2017-08-07 20:31:54	rom1504	most entity already have no gravity
2017-08-07 20:32:05	rom1504	for other ones I guess you'll have to force their positions
2017-08-07 20:33:12	timmyRS	I am working on a server and I'd like a falling block to float without having to send a new position for that entity every tick
2017-08-07 20:35:03	rom1504	yeah, I don't think that's possible
2017-08-07 20:35:31	rom1504	ah
2017-08-07 20:35:42	rom1504	maybe you could try sending a velocity http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Entity_Velocity
2017-08-07 20:35:48	rom1504	but I'm not sure if it's enough
2017-08-07 20:35:56	rom1504	it might be worth a try
2017-08-07 20:36:28	rom1504	hmm, but I guess you'll still need to send it every tick
2017-08-07 20:36:52	rom1504	how is the no gravity metadata used by the vanilla server ?
2017-08-07 20:37:00	rom1504	that seems like something only used by plugins
2017-08-07 20:37:57	timmyRS	Well if I do /summon minecraft:falling_block ~ ~ ~ {"NoGravity":1b} it should set that to true even tho I have not tested it yet
2017-08-07 20:38:22	rom1504	ah yes
2017-08-07 20:38:42	rom1504	but I mean, is there any entity spawned naturally that has no gravity ?
2017-08-07 20:40:02	timmyRS	I think not, but /summon is a vanilla feature
2017-08-07 20:40:34	pokechu22	I think shulkers do (but not through that tag)
2017-08-07 20:43:57	rom1504	I tried that /summon and the block instantly disappears
2017-08-07 20:44:03	rom1504	*the entity
2017-08-07 20:44:07	rom1504	not sure why ?
2017-08-07 20:44:20	rom1504	in 1.12.1
2017-08-07 20:44:26	timmyRS	You need to also set {Time:1}
2017-08-07 20:44:45	rom1504	ah yes
2017-08-07 20:45:00	rom1504	ok indeed that works
2017-08-07 20:45:16	rom1504	well yeah so I think you have to force the position for 1.8
2017-08-07 20:47:57	pokechu22	If the goal is to create a floating block you could use minecarts
2017-08-07 20:48:56	timmyRS	Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to support 1.8 but then I remember the PvP community...
2017-08-07 20:53:39	pokechu22	Come to the light side!  Don't support ancient versions!
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2017-08-08 01:57:57	+Amaranth	The way FallingEntity works is so goofy
2017-08-08 01:58:16	+Amaranth	You have one tick where the block and entity both exist and then the entity removes the block
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2017-08-08 05:22:29	pokechu22	So, a thing I noticed a while ago - there's no item with ID 451.  Not only that, but there's a skipped line around it in the Item class (line 944: instr 7416 (contains shulker_shell); line 946: instr 7444 (contains iron_nugget)), which makes me think that whatever it was was commented out.  On the other hand Items doesn't have any blank line for it.  Still, it's interesting...
2017-08-08 05:31:47	kashike	pokechu22: something that was added and removed in a snapshot, maybe?
2017-08-08 05:31:54	kashike	or WIP feature?
2017-08-08 06:18:26	pokechu22	IIRC it was never present in any snapshots, could be WIP though (but iron_nugget was 1.11.2; it never appeared in 1.12)
2017-08-08 07:04:22	kashike	well I mean an internal/not released snapshot/version - added and removed before a public release, but stuck in history because of other items or something
2017-08-08 07:04:24	kashike	idk :P
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2017-08-08 15:09:34	timmyRS	Incredible how MC-234 is known since 2012 and duplicated by so many people. Why is it not even assigned yet?
2017-08-08 15:20:21	Black-Hole	Then look at https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-9553 :)
2017-08-08 15:23:12	timmyRS	Shouldn't have transparent things in your game if you can't render them correctly :P
2017-08-08 15:24:52	timmyRS	or things like MC-258 are not noticed to often, but when they are noticed, it really anoys you (you are in fullscreen, want to google something for your message, message is gone)
2017-08-08 15:46:20	Hafydd	Maybe the developers feel under so much pressure to add new features that they don't have time to fix any bugs. That's what success does to you.
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2017-08-08 16:04:57	+Amaranth	Rendering transparent things correctly is surprisingly hard
2017-08-08 16:05:04	+Amaranth	Especially when you limit yourself to OpenGL 1.1
2017-08-08 16:06:56	+Amaranth	Anyway, the last time Minecraft did a "bug fix" release it didn't go well, ended up being probably one of the buggiest releases to date :P
2017-08-08 16:36:52	timmyRS	that's why you test before pushing? they must at least have some unit tests before they release any version, right?
2017-08-08 16:53:43	MiniDigger	have fun unit testing everything in minecraft
2017-08-08 16:54:06	MiniDigger	and I mean, https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-4 is still open too :D
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2017-08-08 17:11:12	MVXA	timmyRS, priorities. I worked on a few software development jobs myself and I can't count the issues that didn't receive any attention at all despite their severity. Reasons for that are manifold. Poor communication from the developers (me) was also one. I suck at interacting with people so bad …
2017-08-08 17:16:54	timmyRS	MVXA, but you just interacted with me and gave me a very precise rundown of the issue :)
2017-08-08 17:59:50	MVXA	yeah but I made the cardinal mistake to not check your background and if your comment was meant to be sarcastic so I probably just made a fool out of me once again. 
2017-08-08 18:00:54	timmyRS	No my comment was not sarcastic. I actually think the bugs should probably be fixed as they make the game look buggy and cause a lot of duplicates
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2017-08-08 18:09:52	MVXA	oh yes, I also would love it if Dinnerbone could squash a whole stash of bugs for the next release. Ghost blocks are my personal bane. But then again it's a question of priorities and time.
2017-08-08 18:23:50	MVXA	(pleeaaaaaseeee, I'm so tired of suffocating in ghost blocks) … i'm only joking
2017-08-08 19:29:16	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker pushed 2 commits to master [+3/-1/±4] https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/compare/0b85e4f715fc...6694e7be9866
2017-08-08 19:29:17	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker 84950d2 - voxel: Refactor out generators into own package
2017-08-08 19:29:19	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker 6694e7b - voxel: Make flat generator be colored
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2017-08-09 11:31:43	-->	VoidWhisperer (~VoidWhisp@unaffiliated/voidwhisperer) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:43	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v Zaneo] par ChanServ
2017-08-09 11:31:46	-->	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:50	-->	Prf_Jakob (jakob@volt/developer/jakob) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:50	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] par ChanServ
2017-08-09 11:31:52	-->	roblabla (~roblablar@roblab.la) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:52	-->	md_5 (~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:52	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v md_5] par ChanServ
2017-08-09 11:31:53	-->	kev009 (~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:31:53	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v kev009] par ChanServ
2017-08-09 11:32:01	-->	Luck (~Luck@unlucky.lucko.me) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:32:03	-->	gentauro (~gentauro@213.32.242.114) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:32:07	-->	Meeeh (~Meeeh@65.ip-51-254-203.eu) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:33:07	-->	samschaap (~samschaap@5469BF1F.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:34:09	<--	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-09 11:34:56	-->	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 11:41:49	-->	octobyte (~octobyte@81-128-218-100.bt.dtm.cm) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 12:19:55	<--	AlphaBlend (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-09 12:21:28	-->	AlphaBlend (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 12:27:01	<--	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a quitté (Quit: quit from client)
2017-08-09 12:28:31	-->	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 12:40:32	<--	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a quitté (Quit: quit from client)
2017-08-09 12:42:05	-->	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 13:14:02	<--	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a quitté (Quit: quit from client)
2017-08-09 13:14:41	-->	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 13:34:19	-->	InsensibleJerk (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 13:35:52	<--	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2017-08-09 13:44:24	<--	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a quitté (Quit: quit from client)
2017-08-09 13:47:13	-->	Hink (~Hink@45.32.3.47) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 14:25:47	<--	InsensibleJerk (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Quit: InsensibleJerk)
2017-08-09 14:28:04	-->	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 14:37:59	-->	GeorgH93 (~GeorgH93@h081217034122.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 15:10:47	-->	itsme_ (~textual@x5d85a316.dyn.telefonica.de) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 15:56:33	<--	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-09 16:21:06	-->	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 16:22:32	<--	itsme_ (~textual@x5d85a316.dyn.telefonica.de) a quitté (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2017-08-09 17:38:03	<--	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-09 18:31:06	-->	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 19:01:39	Aikar	<timmyRS> Incredible how MC-234 is known since 2012 and duplicated by so many people. Why is it not even assigned yet?
2017-08-09 19:01:53	Aikar	part of product management, is knowing when bugs are not worth the time to fix :/
2017-08-09 19:01:58	redstonehelper	.bug MC-234
2017-08-09 19:01:58	Botched	[MC-234] Digging straight down glitches out the breaking an… | Open | https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-234
2017-08-09 19:02:20	Aikar	lot of those kind of things all into "probably really complicated to fix, but doesn't really break the game"
2017-08-09 19:02:26	Aikar	and doesnt end up being worth the time to fix
2017-08-09 19:02:31	redstonehelper	llamas are more important
2017-08-09 19:02:32	Aikar	fall*
2017-08-09 19:03:54	Aikar	sure they could take a pass at them, or they could spend the time on other stuff that more people would appreciate
2017-08-09 19:08:16	-->	itsme_ (~textual@x5d85a491.dyn.telefonica.de) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 19:36:32	<--	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-09 21:16:43	<--	AlphaBlend (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-09 21:19:53	MVXA	whenever chunk saving fails due to a concurrent modification error, it only fails for that single chunks, or are all the other chunks affected as well that should be saved after the failed one? As far as I can tell it seems that the exception is logged and silenced afterwards.
2017-08-09 21:43:45	<--	GeorgH93 (~GeorgH93@h081217034122.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) a quitté (Quit: Leaving)
2017-08-09 21:55:54	-->	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-09 22:42:05	pokechu22	Err, you simply shouldn't be getting chunks that fail to save due to concurrent modification exceptions; if you're getting that, can you post the stacktrace?
2017-08-09 22:59:11	MVXA	I do get them because I'm asking the server to save through the rcon interface
2017-08-09 23:00:27	MVXA	that's a known issue with the rcon interface. I'm rolling my own backup utility that leverages btrfs reflink copies. Unfortunately I didn't know back then that the rcon interface can't be used for that
2017-08-09 23:00:35	MVXA	or rather, shouldn't be used for that.
2017-08-09 23:00:56	pokechu22	Ah, rcon
2017-08-09 23:01:20	pokechu22	I'm not entirely sure how it handles that, and I think it might depend on where the exception is thrown
2017-08-09 23:01:53	MVXA	I'm at least seeing the message "Failed to save chunk" So I guess it comes from the AnvilChunkLoader. 
2017-08-09 23:04:02	MVXA	oh, btw, I saw a familiar name when I discovered the world downloader client mod. Nice work pokechu22, thanks for sharing the mod!
2017-08-09 23:04:12	pokechu22	:3
2017-08-09 23:04:33	pokechu22	I'm not the first dev, but I've been maintaining it for a couple of years now
2017-08-09 23:05:37	pokechu22	Yea, failed to save chunk causes only the chunk that failed to not be saved
2017-08-09 23:06:35	MVXA	I like how it queues the io so that the old version of the chunk is available at least. 
2017-08-09 23:08:27	<--	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-09 23:18:15	<--	rtjure (~rtjure@84.40.71.42) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-09 23:48:59	<--	AlJaMa (~AlJaMa@unaffiliated/aljama) a quitté (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2017-08-09 23:50:17	-->	AlJaMa (~AlJaMa@unaffiliated/aljama) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 00:01:00	<--	itsme_ (~textual@x5d85a491.dyn.telefonica.de) a quitté (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2017-08-10 00:02:08	-->	AlphaBlend (~AlphaBlen@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 00:06:56	<--	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-10 00:09:15	-->	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 00:24:52	<--	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Read error: No route to host)
2017-08-10 00:25:53	-->	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 01:01:21	<--	redstonehelper (~redstoneh@unaffiliated/redstonehelper) a quitté (Quit: redstonehelper)
2017-08-10 01:08:50	<--	AlJaMa (~AlJaMa@unaffiliated/aljama) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-10 01:15:58	-->	AlJaMa (~AlJaMa@unaffiliated/aljama) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 01:49:40	<--	UUID03 (~UUID00@BSN-182-234-218.dynamic.siol.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2017-08-10 01:50:45	chibill	I am still horable at thinking about chunks. (Mostly going from stuff in Quarry to what I need) rip me
2017-08-10 07:50:26	-->	UUID03 (~UUID00@BSN-182-234-218.dynamic.siol.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 09:05:54	<--	kev009 (~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-10 09:24:24	-->	kev009 (~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 09:24:24	--	Mode #mcdevs [+v kev009] par ChanServ
2017-08-10 09:25:26	-->	samfty (~quassel@203.63.82.35) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 09:26:52	-->	Wizard (~WizardCM@203.63.82.35) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 09:27:15	--	Wizard est maintenant connu sous le nom Guest99592
2017-08-10 09:27:17	<--	ScruffyRules (~Scruff@2001:19f0:5800:8483:5400:ff:fe06:49ea) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-10 09:27:26	<--	Zachoz (~Zachoz@2001:19f0:5800:8483:5400:ff:fe06:49ea) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-10 09:28:00	<--	WizardCM (~WizardCM@61.68.157.173) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-10 09:28:01	--	Guest99592 est maintenant connu sous le nom WizardCM
2017-08-10 09:29:02	<--	samfty_ (~quassel@61.68.157.173) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-10 10:41:31	-->	GeorgH93 (~GeorgH93@h081217034122.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 12:16:51	MVXA	i really wish you could break long lines in mcfunction files …
2017-08-10 13:36:03	<--	minecrell (~minecrell@irc.minecrell.net) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection)
2017-08-10 13:36:41	-->	minecrell (~minecrell@irc.minecrell.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 14:41:48	<--	C4K3 (~C4K3@0127801301.0.fullrate.ninja) a quitté (Quit: leaving)
2017-08-10 15:55:00	-->	C4K3 (~C4K3@0127801301.0.fullrate.ninja) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 16:26:14	-->	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 16:33:49	-->	ScruffyRules (~Scruff@2001:19f0:5800:8483:5400:ff:fe06:49ea) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 16:34:49	-->	Zachoz (~Zachoz@2001:19f0:5800:8483:5400:ff:fe06:49ea) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 18:30:12	<--	octobyte (~octobyte@81-128-218-100.bt.dtm.cm) a quitté (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)
2017-08-10 19:15:00	<--	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Quit: Tachyon_)
2017-08-10 20:19:41	-->	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 21:00:07	<--	Protocol_7 (~Protocol_@togame.ipwnage.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2017-08-10 21:01:27	-->	Protocol_7 (~Protocol_@togame.ipwnage.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 21:05:43	<--	Protocol_7 (~Protocol_@togame.ipwnage.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-08-10 21:05:57	-->	Protocol_7 (~Protocol_@togame.ipwnage.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-10 21:06:56	<--	GeorgH93 (~GeorgH93@h081217034122.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) a quitté (Quit: Leaving)
2017-08-10 22:43:19	<--	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Quit: Tachyon_)
2017-08-11 01:57:40	-->	UUID02 (~UUID00@BSN-182-234-218.dynamic.siol.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 02:01:07	<--	UUID03 (~UUID00@BSN-182-234-218.dynamic.siol.net) a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2017-08-11 03:32:23	-->	samfty_ (~quassel@203.220.80.36) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 03:34:26	-->	WizardCM- (~WizardCM@203.220.80.36) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 03:34:32	<--	WizardCM (~WizardCM@203.63.82.35) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-11 03:34:32	--	WizardCM- est maintenant connu sous le nom WizardCM
2017-08-11 03:35:58	<--	samfty (~quassel@203.63.82.35) a quitté (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:11:40	-->	jargan (jast@zoidberg.org) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:11:45	<--	jast (jast@zoidberg.org) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-11 04:19:21	<--	AlphaBlend (~AlphaBlen@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:19:21	<--	simpleauthority (~simpleaut@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:19:22	<--	ecx86 (~ecx86@unaffiliated/ecx86) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2017-08-11 04:19:23	-->	AlphaBlend (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:19:23	<--	__0x277F (~Hex@four.out.of.five.doctors.recommend.hex.lc) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:19:27	-->	yosafbridge (~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:19:31	-->	electroniccat (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:19:34	<--	electronicboy (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-11 04:22:01	-->	simpleauthority (~simpleaut@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:22:01	<--	Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:22:32	-->	Vector (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:22:52	-->	electronicboy (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:23:50	-->	ecx86 (~ecx86@unaffiliated/ecx86) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:24:02	-->	Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:24:27	-->	__0x277F (~Hex@four.out.of.five.doctors.recommend.hex.lc) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:25:05	-->	yosafbridge` (~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:28:43	<--	AlphaBlend (AlphaBlend@cpe-66-74-178-84.socal.res.rr.com) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:28:43	<--	electroniccat (~electroni@atlas.valaria.pw) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2017-08-11 04:31:01	<--	balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2017-08-11 04:31:24	<--	Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a quitté (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2017-08-11 04:33:26	-->	Tux (~tux@107.161.31.111) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:33:26	<--	Tux (~tux@107.161.31.111) a quitté (Changing host)
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2017-08-11 04:33:34	-->	Morrolan (morrolan@znc.morrolan.ch) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 04:33:53	-->	balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) a rejoint #mcdevs
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2017-08-11 04:43:46	-->	gentauro (~gentauro@xd520f272.cust.hiper.dk) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 06:37:18	<--	OkAlt_ (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a quitté (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2017-08-11 06:37:51	-->	OkAlt (~OkAlt@S0106f0f2498160d3.lb.shawcable.net) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 08:33:04	-->	rtjure (~rtjure@84.40.71.42) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 10:40:06	-->	octobyte (~octobyte@81-128-218-100.bt.dtm.cm) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 12:02:25	--	jargan est maintenant connu sous le nom jast
2017-08-11 12:16:47	-->	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 12:26:58	<--	Tachyon_ (~Tachyon_@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2017-08-11 12:34:15	<--	samschaap (~samschaap@5469BF1F.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-11 12:40:08	-->	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 12:40:15	-->	samschaap (~samschaap@5469BF1F.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) a rejoint #mcdevs
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2017-08-11 13:30:23	-->	simpleauthority (~simpleaut@i.am.an.algorithmjunkie.com) a rejoint #mcdevs
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2017-08-11 14:22:01	<--	ecx86 (~ecx86@unaffiliated/ecx86) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2017-08-11 15:29:27	<--	C4K3 (~C4K3@0127801301.0.fullrate.ninja) a quitté (Remote host closed the connection)
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2017-08-11 16:47:19	<--	aphel (aphelion@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe61:9eab) a quitté (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2017-08-11 16:54:10	-->	aphelion (aphelion@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe61:9eab) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 16:57:07	<--	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Quit: Tachyon_)
2017-08-11 17:10:19	-->	bswartz (~bswartz@98.122.139.152) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 17:30:18	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker created branch master https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/commit/6694e7be9866992f63ab274342546777697d55c9
2017-08-11 17:56:19	-->	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
2017-08-11 17:58:52	MVXA	interesting, never heard about volt as a language before. It looks like Go though. Any reasons to use volt over go?
2017-08-11 19:30:54	<--	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a quitté (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2017-08-11 19:37:25	<--	octobyte (~octobyte@81-128-218-100.bt.dtm.cm) a quitté (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in)
2017-08-11 20:13:22	-->	Tachyon_ (~Thunderbi@95.76.184.120) a rejoint #mcdevs
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2017-08-12 12:30:54	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±4] https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/compare/6694e7be9866...3fd09aca9db1
2017-08-12 12:30:56	Not	[Charge] Wallbraker 8bbbcb2 - voxel: Do startup timings
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2017-08-12 15:20:08	iLembus	hi everybody
2017-08-12 15:20:58	iLembus	I have the following question: Why does Minecraft store the full world to disk? My server map got super big after exploration
2017-08-12 15:21:04	iLembus	Why isn't this saved incrementally?
2017-08-12 15:21:17	iLembus	Store the seed and the diff. And boom, super small map size
2017-08-12 15:21:32	iLembus	And since that's standard procedure I ask: What technical reason has it that this is not the case?
2017-08-12 15:26:59	+ammar2	because that's complicated
2017-08-12 15:27:17	+ammar2	minecraft isn't exactly optimized well for performance, memory etc 
2017-08-12 15:27:44	+ammar2	also if you only had the seed to go on you'd have to run the world generation code every time you load a chunk
2017-08-12 15:28:49	timmyRS	Also I think the couple of bytes a minecraft world has won't be an actual problem if hosted on a proper machine.
2017-08-12 15:30:56	iLembus	well the chunk generator can't be that heavy, right?
2017-08-12 15:31:07	iLembus	in fact it could even be run on the user machine.
2017-08-12 15:31:17	timmyRS	Ever created a new world?
2017-08-12 15:31:22	iLembus	yea
2017-08-12 15:31:31	iLembus	works neat, right?
2017-08-12 15:32:24	iLembus	it would trade storage and RAM against CPU time
2017-08-12 15:33:41	timmyRS	I have a pretty decend machine and generating a new world just took like more than 10 seconds
2017-08-12 15:34:08	iLembus	yea i just used a stopwatch and in fact, it's not really the fastest process
2017-08-12 15:34:15	iLembus	so my claim was inaccurate
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2017-08-12 15:34:36	iLembus	and since everybody got terabytes of storage just flying around the file size wouödn't be an issue
2017-08-12 15:34:44	iLembus	* wouldn't
2017-08-12 15:35:19	iLembus	I'm technical savvy but I do not know the minecraft generation algorithm
2017-08-12 15:35:22	iLembus	Why is it so slow?
2017-08-12 15:36:00	timmyRS	It has to ensure Herobrine doesn't spawn. (I don't know either.)
2017-08-12 15:36:11	+ammar2	there's a lot of factors to that, but one of the thing is that it isn't done asynchronously
2017-08-12 15:36:21	+ammar2	so you generate one chunk, then the next, then the next
2017-08-12 15:36:26	iLembus	ammar2: very good point
2017-08-12 15:36:36	+ammar2	but there's only a certain amount of gain you can actually get from that
2017-08-12 15:36:53	+ammar2	mostly its just that algorithmically generating a world isn't very easy
2017-08-12 15:37:24	iLembus	As far as i imagine it it's just a deterministic DRBG that triggers some switches.
2017-08-12 15:37:45	iLembus	Would probably work from "top to bottom" first generating the rough regions, then the chunks, then the blocks....
2017-08-12 15:37:52	+ammar2	this is from a super old version of minecraft but here, https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev/blob/master/net/minecraft/server/ChunkProviderGenerate.java
2017-08-12 15:38:21	+ammar2	oh yeah from what I remember the lighting calculations take a fair bit of time there 
2017-08-12 15:38:52	timmyRS	Also whilst we're on the topic of world generation, is there any reason as tho why the end isn't affected by the seed?
2017-08-12 15:38:54	iLembus	that code looks decompiled and/or obfuscated
2017-08-12 15:39:03	+ammar2	well yes
2017-08-12 15:39:16	+ammar2	we don't exactly have access to the minecraft source code
2017-08-12 15:39:18	iLembus	is that yes to timmyRS question?
2017-08-12 15:39:25	iLembus	because his question is interesting too
2017-08-12 15:39:32	+ammar2	reverse engineered/deobfuscated code is the closest you can get
2017-08-12 15:39:34	iLembus	ammar2: ok
2017-08-12 15:39:52	iLembus	i was just wondering that this piece of licensed code was flying around on github without file header
2017-08-12 15:40:02	timmyRS	I would say the reason it: It's a bug, not a feature.
2017-08-12 15:42:08	+ammar2	timmyRS: is it not?
2017-08-12 15:43:33	timmyRS	Well, one would assume the same seed would lead to the same world.
2017-08-12 15:43:54	iLembus	this uses the Random class
2017-08-12 15:43:55	iLembus	ugh
2017-08-12 15:44:17	+ammar2	timmyRS: does it change even for same seeds?
2017-08-12 15:44:35	timmyRS	Yes
2017-08-12 15:45:14	+ammar2	well yes, a predictable PSRNG is essential to most procedural generation
2017-08-12 15:45:20	+ammar2	hence, Random
2017-08-12 15:45:27	iLembus	apparently the Random implementation is "fairly speedy" but "stinks compared to alternatives"
2017-08-12 15:46:00	 *	iLembus is not sure why he puts his own words in quotations. Thinks he should throw in some random link to disctract everyone
2017-08-12 15:46:01	iLembus	http://xoroshiro.di.unimi.it/
2017-08-12 15:46:01	+ammar2	it's a meriseen twister internally I think
2017-08-12 15:46:31	+ammar2	but it also builds upon that to make a perlin noise generator
2017-08-12 15:47:35	iLembus	you sure know you PRNGs
2017-08-12 15:47:47	iLembus	in fact i did not know that
2017-08-12 15:51:16	iLembus	ok thanks
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2017-08-14 02:05:52	pokechu22	I was looking at MC|DebugNeighborsUpdate, and guess what?  The name of the channel is too long for a valid plugin channel (20 chars is the max and that's 23).  Odd..
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2017-08-14 12:20:44	MVXA	Have a question for developers hired by mojang: do you guys have fun while working on minecraft?
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2017-08-14 13:01:48	timmyRS	MVXA, maybe ask in #minecraft or scroll trough some AMAs?
2017-08-14 13:04:46	MVXA	didnt know there was an actual minecraft channel. AMAs have that kind of official flair so I expect the obvious answer "sure, a lot!" I was wondering if they really still enjoy it or if it is a burden or not.
2017-08-14 13:06:53	timmyRS	My guess would be: Working in a 3D environment and being able to code in it is a lot of fun but if you do it every day it might become a bit boring.
2017-08-14 13:07:46	Hafydd	Working in a 3D environment is one of the perks of this universe.
2017-08-14 13:09:16	timmyRS	true, but not many people get to change it, or change how it behaves.
2017-08-14 13:09:37	Hafydd	Most work involves changing the environment in some way.
2017-08-14 13:10:11	Hafydd	But changing how it behaves is presumably not possible.
2017-08-14 13:11:01	timmyRS	Politians and trend-setters in generally change how the people behave constantly.
2017-08-14 13:11:17	MiniDigger	I would bet the most annoying thing working on minecraft is the legacy codebase
2017-08-14 13:11:42	MiniDigger	but you get to work with a giant active community of ppl so thats a huge plus
2017-08-14 13:12:02	timmyRS	What legacy codebase? they change the packet ids like every version as if there was no yesterday
2017-08-14 13:12:20	MiniDigger	well, there is more to minecraft than just the protocol 
2017-08-14 13:13:04	MiniDigger	like, I wouldn't dare to touch any redstone stuff. thing could break in so many ways
2017-08-14 13:13:18	timmyRS	Sure, but if you want to have legacy code, then you support 1.8 to 1.12.1 by default, right? :P
2017-08-14 13:13:31	MiniDigger	or look at inventory stuff. one small change and you got a duplication exploit again
2017-08-14 13:13:41	timmyRS	haha yeah
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2017-08-14 13:56:48	MVXA	there is always legacy code though. The brand new shiny thing you wrote today becomes your legacy code tomorrow. 
2017-08-14 14:00:19	MiniDigger	it legacy code from somebody written in some basement over 7 years ago tho :D
2017-08-14 14:00:35	MiniDigger	but yeah, there is legacy code everywhere, I have to work with cobol stuff at work :D
2017-08-14 14:00:41	VoidWhisperer	ew
2017-08-14 14:01:00	timmyRS	A rare picture taken of a programmer in the mids of reading legacy code: https://image.slidesharecdn.com/legacycode-continuousintegration-150606032554-lva1-app6891/95/from-legacy-code-to-continuous-integration-6-638.jpg?cb=1433561334
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2017-08-14 14:47:47	MVXA	Finally I found someone who's doing cobol =D
2017-08-14 14:52:49	timmyRS	I am not doing cobol, but why would anyone want their code to look like english?
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2017-08-14 15:32:37	MiniDigger	I don't do cobol anymore, I just have to deal with cobol copybooks
2017-08-14 15:32:48	MiniDigger	but I was forced to learn cobol (im 20)
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