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2016-02-12 15:36:51	Not-1f77	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/65850990f480...8d05fae89006
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2016-02-12 15:37:00	Not-1f77	[mineflayer] rom1504 tagged 8d05fae as 1.7.0 https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/commit/8d05fae89006ba3f09c08e9d592060076508b649
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2016-02-12 15:45:25	rom1504	bots doing my job on github ;)
2016-02-12 15:46:19	rom1504	how soon until I can ask a bot "make a PR to fix issue number X please"
2016-02-12 15:49:08	+Wallbraker	Hehe nice
2016-02-12 15:49:20	+Wallbraker	How well does mineflayer work?
2016-02-12 15:53:39	rom1504	Wallbraker: it supports most basic minecraft feature with a fairly high level api
2016-02-12 15:53:48	rom1504	moving, inventory, world update,...
2016-02-12 15:54:14	rom1504	so it works pretty well
2016-02-12 15:54:43	rom1504	someday I plan on making an even higher level api on top of it though, but that requires some thougths and time
2016-02-12 15:55:04	rom1504	I started doing some of that in https://github.com/rom1504/rbot
2016-02-12 15:55:09	rom1504	some years ago
2016-02-12 15:55:22	rom1504	high level tasks like "get block X" or "protect that player"
2016-02-12 15:55:39	rom1504	it kind of work but it's not general enough
2016-02-12 15:55:56	rom1504	there are a lot of interesting stuff to do on that topic anyway
2016-02-12 15:56:25	+Wallbraker	Ah cool cool
2016-02-12 15:56:53	+Wallbraker	A long time ago I used mainflayer to connect to minecraft with a graphical client.
2016-02-12 15:57:44	rom1504	deathcap is working on that https://github.com/voxel/voxel-clientmc
2016-02-12 15:57:48	rom1504	that's pretty cool too
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2016-02-12 15:58:32	rom1504	doesn't have a lot of features, but it's a fun experiment
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2016-02-12 16:04:15	Gjum	rom1504: often when I have time, I look at other bot frameworks and see what tasks they implement and what system they use
2016-02-12 16:05:01	Gjum	this recent one is fairly advanced and has some aspects I would like for such a system https://github.com/michaelzangl/minebot
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2016-02-12 16:07:31	+Wallbraker	rom1504: Ah cool
2016-02-12 16:08:35	rom1504	" It simulates keyboard and mouse input to interact with the word." oh wow
2016-02-12 16:08:57	rom1504	is that true ?
2016-02-12 16:09:39	rom1504	hmm no
2016-02-12 16:09:52	rom1504	it does use the protocol itself
2016-02-12 16:10:07	rom1504	would be amazing to build a bot like deepmind did for atari games
2016-02-12 16:10:13	rom1504	but so very hard
2016-02-12 16:10:58	rom1504	ah it's installed to the client
2016-02-12 16:11:08	rom1504	anyway, the strategy and all thingy looks interesting yeah
2016-02-12 16:12:16	Gjum	yeah I would also go for a standalone client. it's just the most complete and advanced task system I found so far
2016-02-12 16:12:52	hansihe	one thing that has always interested me is making bots in video games look like they are humans
2016-02-12 16:13:29	morfin	since when stone have variants?
2016-02-12 16:13:32	hansihe	complete with overshot on mouse movement, nonperfect movement, that kinda stuff
2016-02-12 16:13:48	morfin	variant: stone, variant: diorite
2016-02-12 16:14:03	morfin	variant: andesite
2016-02-12 16:14:43	hansihe	morfin: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Stone#History
2016-02-12 16:15:09	rom1504	hansihe: I think fps bots are the more advanced on that topic
2016-02-12 16:15:16	rom1504	(looking like humans)
2016-02-12 16:15:21	rom1504	well and chatbots of course
2016-02-12 16:15:21	hansihe	yeah, definitely
2016-02-12 16:16:15	morfin	are not Minecraft bots very hmm obvious
2016-02-12 16:16:31	Gjum	well afk bots arent ^^
2016-02-12 16:16:35	hansihe	i know there are some very advanced bots for runescape as well
2016-02-12 16:16:47	morfin	afk bots/
2016-02-12 16:16:50	rom1504	deepmind did bots on atari games that use only the pixel as input and the keys as ouput. It's nice, but it's all 2D, to do that for a 3D world would be significantly harder I think
2016-02-12 16:16:50	hansihe	bots that don't even interact with game code, they use machine vision
2016-02-12 16:17:03	rom1504	especially a 3D world with a lot of rules like minecraft
2016-02-12 16:17:16	morfin	:)
2016-02-12 16:17:18	hansihe	i know there are some runescape bots that do exactly that
2016-02-12 16:17:48	morfin	so they act like legit client?
2016-02-12 16:18:25	rom1504	acting like an human and using the same input/output as an human is yet an other different thing
2016-02-12 16:18:46	rom1504	a bot would soon learn to play perfectly, and would never get distracted
2016-02-12 16:19:26	hansihe	i found it, if i understand right they take control over the mouse and keyboard, use the official client
2016-02-12 16:19:39	rom1504	if you actually mean "client", then it's easy though :p you just have to use the protocol properly
2016-02-12 16:20:05	hansihe	do, they don't use the protocol at all
2016-02-12 16:20:08	hansihe	no*
2016-02-12 16:20:20	hansihe	well, they might be lying
2016-02-12 16:20:23	rom1504	yeah I was talking about what morfin said
2016-02-12 16:20:35	rom1504	well runescape looks like a fully static world right ?
2016-02-12 16:20:50	rom1504	and almost 2D
2016-02-12 16:21:24	hansihe	ah
2016-02-12 16:21:48	hansihe	yeah, there seems to be a static world map in the corner
2016-02-12 16:21:52	hansihe	that would make things easier
2016-02-12 16:22:00	rom1504	but yeah it sure is possible to use computer vision to do such a bot
2016-02-12 16:22:03	rom1504	it's just harder
2016-02-12 16:23:04	rom1504	if a bot could learn the characteristics of minecraft blocks just by looking, it would be pretty amazing
2016-02-12 16:23:08	hansihe	well, i think using machine vision and everything is taking things pretty far, even writing a custom client that acts as much as possible as a user would be interesting
2016-02-12 16:23:14	hansihe	definitely
2016-02-12 16:23:17	rom1504	almost ready to put in a robot and make it move in the real world
2016-02-12 16:23:47	hansihe	minecraft is not the hardest game to do that in i think, as you said blocks are fairly regular
2016-02-12 16:24:22	rom1504	minecraft is an highly structured game. There are lot of rules to figure out
2016-02-12 16:24:52	rom1504	unlike an fps for example
2016-02-12 16:25:00	hansihe	oh, yeah, if you mean fully trained behavior, that would be difficult
2016-02-12 16:27:14	rom1504	would be interesting to record all actions of players, and then to try to figure out what they were doing
2016-02-12 16:27:26	rom1504	and then you could make a bot do the same kind of things
2016-02-12 16:27:45	hansihe	that would be interesting
2016-02-12 16:32:07	morfin	that sounds more like neural network
2016-02-12 16:32:35	rom1504	yeah
2016-02-12 16:32:41	hansihe	you could use a neural network, yeah
2016-02-12 16:33:19	morfin	learning from real players and trying to similar thing
2016-02-12 16:35:23	morfin	but i am not sure you can achieve "realistic" behaviour
2016-02-12 16:36:23	hansihe	if you are trying to emulate things like movement with the neural network, that would probably work
2016-02-12 16:36:52	hansihe	higher level behaviors would probably have to be done in code, or with another technique
2016-02-12 16:37:44	hansihe	i mean basic things like mouse movement, how a human player moves forward, turns, that kinda stuff
2016-02-12 16:37:59	rom1504	yeah code + some nn to help some things (making the bot look like a player mostly) would be easier
2016-02-12 16:38:19	rom1504	I don't believe that using just a nn would do much things
2016-02-12 16:38:34	hansihe	nope
2016-02-12 16:38:41	rom1504	with the current state of neural networks anyway
2016-02-12 16:39:08	Gjum	btw opencog is workinnng on a minecraft ai https://github.com/opencog/opencog-to-minecraft/ http://wiki.opencog.org/wikihome/index.php/Minecraft_Bot_Development_Roadmap
2016-02-12 16:40:05	Gjum	they do some "realistic" things like restrict the vision to visible blocks instead of loaded world
2016-02-12 16:40:41	hansihe	interesting
2016-02-12 16:41:25	Gjum	and stuff like physics and movement will be in code I believe, like you said
2016-02-12 16:42:12	hansihe	i wrote things in the wrong order
2016-02-12 16:42:50	hansihe	things like mouse movement, that kinda stuff with a nn
2016-02-12 16:43:09	hansihe	it seems like opencog mostly is about the higher level behaviors though
2016-02-12 16:43:40	hansihe	i don't know if they aim to make movement look exactly like a human would
2016-02-12 16:44:19	hansihe	but yeah, movement and physics generally would be done in code i think
2016-02-12 16:44:24	Gjum	I believe theyre going for optimizing high level behaviour, not human likeness
2016-02-12 16:44:51	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-12 16:45:13	Gjum	so if it's faster to cut a corner real close, it would do that perfectly, like no human could
2016-02-12 16:46:02	hansihe	that's where i would imagine a ml could come into the picture, you could train it on how a human would move in different conditions
2016-02-12 16:46:09	rom1504	I think nn could help at the low level movement (if you want to make movement look like an human), or at the very high level (if you want to make thinking look like an human)
2016-02-12 16:46:18	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-12 16:46:26	hansihe	you would need loads of glue in between
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2016-02-12 16:47:01	rom1504	yeah, learning all the minecraft rules automatically... I don't think we can do it currently
2016-02-12 16:48:07	Gjum	that's another thing they want to do I believe
2016-02-12 16:48:19	AlphaBlend	Riding entities such as boats, horses, minecarts and saddled pigs, are now run by the client instead by the server.
2016-02-12 16:48:26	rom1504	say learning crafting recipes or learning what blocks fall when you break it, what tools you need,... would be hard with ml probably
2016-02-12 16:48:31	AlphaBlend	if you run a custom server that cancels this behavior, won't it look weird?
2016-02-12 16:48:42	rom1504	well you could probably train a model for each of these things
2016-02-12 16:48:43	AlphaBlend	or rather, behave weirdly?
2016-02-12 16:49:01	hansihe	depends if the client waits for confirmation from the server or not
2016-02-12 16:49:09	rom1504	would be a lot of work for little results though
2016-02-12 16:49:36	hansihe	yeah, not worth it at all, that's the kind of stuff you can do really easily in code
2016-02-12 16:50:03	rom1504	AlphaBlend: what do you mean by "now"
2016-02-12 16:50:08	rom1504	1.9 snapshots ?
2016-02-12 16:50:18	hansihe	whereas emulating realistic low level movement is something that would be tricky to do in code, probably easier to do a model for it
2016-02-12 16:51:18	rom1504	anyway in 1.8 the client handle attaching completely
2016-02-12 16:51:30	AlphaBlend	rom1504: that was an update note in the latest 1.9 snapshot
2016-02-12 16:51:54	rom1504	so it's just like in 1.8 then AlphaBlend ?
2016-02-12 16:52:13	rom1504	well I doubt it
2016-02-12 16:52:15	AlphaBlend	i just want to know if it will cause strange behavior, such as attaching and then later detaching if the server says no (custom server cancels action)
2016-02-12 16:52:32	AlphaBlend	just like in 1.8? did they remove client-side in the 1.9 snapshots early on then?
2016-02-12 16:52:37	hansihe	if it's that recent i doubt anyone in here knows for sure
2016-02-12 16:53:02	rom1504	yeah I don't know, I didn't try 1.9 attaching
2016-02-12 16:53:11	Gjum	attaching is still done by the server i believe, but movement is now client side yes
2016-02-12 16:53:36	rom1504	in 1.8 you just send the attach packet, and the client compute the movement of the attached entity itself
2016-02-12 16:53:40	rom1504	*himself
2016-02-12 16:53:41	Gjum	so when a custom server changes eg boat acceleration it might conflict
2016-02-12 16:54:00	Gjum	rom1504: but movement was still done by the server
2016-02-12 16:54:08	rom1504	no
2016-02-12 16:54:14	rom1504	well the server also computes it
2016-02-12 16:54:18	rom1504	but for example
2016-02-12 16:54:24	Gjum	as in, the client sends look and steer, and the server updates the player position
2016-02-12 16:54:33	rom1504	currently flying-squid doesn't track attached entities at all
2016-02-12 16:54:37	rom1504	and yet attaching works
2016-02-12 16:54:58	rom1504	(client-side)
2016-02-12 16:55:11	Gjum	ok then the client simulates it too, makes sense
2016-02-12 16:55:47	hansihe	does the server actually normally send position updates for attached entities then?
2016-02-12 16:55:59	hansihe	or does it purely rely on the client
2016-02-12 16:56:17	hansihe	i mean, it would track the position, i just wonder if it sends it
2016-02-12 16:56:30	rom1504	yeah I don't know
2016-02-12 16:56:56	Gjum	hansihe: in 1.8 server sends client pos when attached, in 1.9 no idea. I think not, like with normal movement in 1.8
2016-02-12 16:56:57	rom1504	I think it probably send the position
2016-02-12 16:58:02	hansihe	hmm
2016-02-12 16:58:29	Gjum	1.8 packet log: https://github.com/SpockBotMC/SpockBot/issues/155#issuecomment-170052836
2016-02-12 16:59:05	rom1504	Gjum: what about any other entity mounted on an other entity ?
2016-02-12 16:59:27	Gjum	dang, in that log I omitted the received player pos packets every gametick
2016-02-12 17:00:21	Gjum	rom1504: no idea. they could be updated like a single entity, or each by itself
2016-02-12 17:01:50	Gjum	protocol-wise it would be enough information for the client if it got an attach packet and position updates for one of them
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2016-02-12 17:03:17	rom1504	yeah
2016-02-12 17:20:51	morfin	disabling AI for mob disables only moving/lookups etc
2016-02-12 17:23:45	morfin	dragon is able even to remove lava and water? 
2016-02-12 17:24:13	morfin	i thought only solid blocks 
2016-02-12 17:30:51	rom1504	I think it can remove everything
2016-02-12 17:31:05	rom1504	except bedrock I guess
2016-02-12 17:31:38	morfin	Otherwise, target a random point (at least 10 blocks away from the dragon's current position) in a 120×120×50 cuboid centered on 0,95,0.
2016-02-12 17:32:04	morfin	is that why it fly away from bottom of world to the surface?
2016-02-12 17:32:35	morfin	i spawned 2 enderdragons on bedrock level and both flew up to the surface
2016-02-12 17:34:05	Gjum	rom1504: and obsidian and end stone
2016-02-12 17:34:24	Gjum	not sure about iron bars in 1.9, as they spawn in the end
2016-02-12 17:34:29	morfin	obsidian and bedrock and enderstone can't be destroyed
2016-02-12 17:34:37	morfin	iron bars?
2016-02-12 17:34:59	Gjum	on the pillars http://s3wc5.goplay.com/wysiwyg/2015/09/21/ender-dragon-minecraft%201.9-02.png
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2016-02-12 19:55:44	morfin	you use babel?
2016-02-12 19:57:10	morfin	babel to convert ES6 code into old ES5
2016-02-12 20:05:03	rom1504	yes
2016-02-12 20:05:49	hansihe	what features do you use?
2016-02-12 20:05:57	hansihe	i saw async/await
2016-02-12 20:07:03	rom1504	yeah async/await, that's es7 though
2016-02-12 20:07:21	hansihe	yeah, but in babel
2016-02-12 20:08:02	rom1504	in es6 we use mainly destructuring and arrow function
2016-02-12 20:09:14	rom1504	babel convert es7 to es5 yeah
2016-02-12 20:12:21	rom1504	oh and let/const of course
2016-02-12 20:28:35	Gjum	are classes es5?
2016-02-12 20:34:10	hansihe	they are not
2016-02-12 20:34:44	rom1504	oh yeah and classes
2016-02-12 20:34:56	rom1504	although we don't use a lot of classes
2016-02-12 21:39:32	pokechu22	So, I've been trying to update burger, continuing where deathcap left off.
2016-02-12 21:39:40	pokechu22	I've got blocks, items, and packets working, or at least I think I do.
2016-02-12 21:47:13	Gjum	pokechu22: tktech and nickelpro made this (I believe to replace solum): https://github.com/TkTech/Jawa
2016-02-12 21:50:48	pokechu22	Hm.  I'll look into that.
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2016-02-12 23:25:48	+Amaranth	async/await is expensive to emulate in es5 iirc
2016-02-12 23:27:43	+Amaranth	I don't think Minecraft is using any Java 8 features yet but they ship their own copy alongside the game so any decompiler that doesn't know how to handle it is probably about to break on MC code
2016-02-12 23:28:49	hansihe	async/await compile down to a generator implementation if i'm not mistaken
2016-02-12 23:29:05	+Amaranth	hansihe: But generators are ES6, no?
2016-02-12 23:29:12	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-12 23:29:21	+Amaranth	And they are expensive to emulate in ES5
2016-02-12 23:29:24	hansihe	so they do some emulation thing i think
2016-02-12 23:29:31	ecx86	that's funny
2016-02-12 23:29:33	hansihe	yeah, i wasn't disputing that
2016-02-12 23:29:34	ecx86	javaprophet isnt in this channel anymore
2016-02-12 23:34:24	hansihe	generators seem to be a feature in node 4 and 5 though
2016-02-12 23:59:46	+Amaranth	hansihe: Does the version of V8 in those releases support generators? :)
2016-02-13 00:00:33	hansihe	Amaranth: yes, i'm fairly certain of it
2016-02-13 00:01:07	hansihe	i'm no expert though, haven't used node in a while
2016-02-13 00:03:27	rom1504	Amaranth: yes indeed generators are a bit slow
2016-02-13 00:03:43	rom1504	so async/await is like 2x slower than just promises
2016-02-13 00:04:00	rom1504	but it's not that big of a deal if you don't use them a lot
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2016-02-13 03:56:18	Akaibu	ok, so i'm not sure if my thinking is right here, but if i were to say want to strip out a minecraft client so that minecraft multiplayer works fine, but all the singleplayer shit(world generation,commands, maybe some of the client side easter eggs as well) is taken out, wouldn't that make performance better/faster due to the jar not having to load those?
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2016-02-13 05:20:41	pokechu22	Akaibu: I don't know exactly, but I think that it probably wouldn't be a significant improvement.
2016-02-13 05:21:51	Akaibu	i'm sure it would, would likely take out nearly ~75-100 class files at least
2016-02-13 05:23:10	pokechu22	True, but I don't think it actually loads the classes until it needs them.  According to http://stackoverflow.com/a/14728058 it's not loaded until it's used.
2016-02-13 05:24:46	pokechu22	I'm not fully sure about that, though.
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2016-02-13 06:29:28	pokechu22	I asked this a few days ago, but does anyone know if it is possible to use hopper.minecraft.net as a mod author to find crashes from my mod?  I am setting the client brand and such so it shouldn't be hard to identify.
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2016-02-13 06:37:40	pokechu22	Oh yea, it's a clientside mod that's a base edit - no forge or such (so it should automatically use the launcher's crash uploading I think)
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2016-02-13 10:42:37	morfin	rom1504, why async/await is slower?
2016-02-13 10:42:48	morfin	because they're not native?
2016-02-13 10:44:48	hansihe	i'm not rom, but i'll answer anyway :)
2016-02-13 10:45:49	hansihe	they compile into javascript generators, which are emulated with a library written in javascript
2016-02-13 10:46:49	hansihe	the library is slower then just using promises
2016-02-13 10:58:06	morfin	that's what i meant when asked 
2016-02-13 10:58:44	morfin	btw v8 have support for arrow functions as i know(i tested in Chromium) and probably generators too
2016-02-13 11:00:22	morfin	this is funny - Lua had something like destructuring  before JS
2016-02-13 11:01:31	morfin	chrome can't use it, but arrow functions works
2016-02-13 11:03:49	hansihe	yep, node supports generators as well
2016-02-13 11:03:55	hansihe	so you could compile to that
2016-02-13 11:04:23	hansihe	the es5 preset compiles to the library though
2016-02-13 11:04:36	rom1504	yeah I didn't test the perf of not using babel for generators
2016-02-13 11:04:42	rom1504	it would probably be better
2016-02-13 11:05:40	rom1504	https://github.com/alekseykulikov/babel-preset-es2015-node5 is interesting
2016-02-13 11:05:57	rom1504	that means requiring people to install the last version of node5 though
2016-02-13 11:06:05	rom1504	which is not ideal
2016-02-13 11:06:21	rom1504	kind of waiting for full es6 support
2016-02-13 11:06:38	rom1504	which is coming soon (last v8 has 95% support but it's not in node yet)
2016-02-13 11:07:11	hansihe	yeah, there is probably no reason to rush using it
2016-02-13 11:07:29	morfin	yes could be not pretty stable 
2016-02-13 11:07:32	morfin	i think
2016-02-13 11:35:52	hansihe	rom1504: hey, i just noticed transparency is not a value in blocks.json
2016-02-13 11:36:51	hansihe	it should be a boolean, true for blocks that can be looked through, false for not
2016-02-13 11:37:05	hansihe	it seems to be on most wiki pages
2016-02-13 11:38:26	hansihe	i also need that value for doing lighting calculations, unsure what the best way to add it would be
2016-02-13 11:38:43	hansihe	i am fairly certain blocks.json would be the right place for it though
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2016-02-13 11:39:29	rom1504	yes blocks.json is the right place indeed
2016-02-13 11:39:32	rom1504	I'll do it
2016-02-13 11:39:40	rom1504	it's just a simple thing to add to the extractor
2016-02-13 11:41:54	hansihe	alright, thanks!
2016-02-13 11:47:01	hansihe	rom1504: just a small pitfall, blocks like http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Cobweb have transparency as partial
2016-02-13 11:47:07	hansihe	it should still be yes
2016-02-13 11:47:31	rom1504	ah
2016-02-13 11:47:36	rom1504	so No == false
2016-02-13 11:47:41	rom1504	everything else == true ?
2016-02-13 11:47:48	hansihe	yeah, pretty much
2016-02-13 11:48:06	rom1504	if the transparent property isn't there, should I assume false or true ?
2016-02-13 11:48:12	hansihe	false
2016-02-13 11:48:36	rom1504	ok
2016-02-13 11:49:23	hansihe	this should probably be documented somewhere, i could write a gist on it or something
2016-02-13 11:49:50	hansihe	or a wiki.vg page
2016-02-13 11:51:27	rom1504	document what exactly ?
2016-02-13 11:51:31	rom1504	how to compute lights ?
2016-02-13 11:52:23	hansihe	that, and how these values work and fit together
2016-02-13 11:54:08	rom1504	yeah it would be nice to document that indeed
2016-02-13 11:54:16	rom1504	a wiki.vg page would fit I think
2016-02-13 12:04:20	rom1504	hansihe: does that data looks correct to you https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/pull/101 ?
2016-02-13 12:06:12	hansihe	i believe so
2016-02-13 12:06:28	hansihe	let me test a thing before you merge
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2016-02-13 12:12:25	hansihe	yeah, i believe it's correct
2016-02-13 12:12:35	rom1504	okay let's merge that
2016-02-13 12:12:39	hansihe	things are more complicated then i assumed though
2016-02-13 12:12:48	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/be607b64ae73...56007592b76b
2016-02-13 12:12:50	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 5600759 - Merge pull request #101 from PrismarineJS/add_transparent_property add transparent property
2016-02-13 12:12:51	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 deleted branch add_transparent_property
2016-02-13 12:14:23	rom1504	hansihe: here's the relevant wiki extractor commit fyi https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-wiki-extractor/commit/3dcce58617d6dafee47d1a2770b35f4b0ab72396
2016-02-13 12:14:32	rom1504	pretty easy
2016-02-13 12:15:36	hansihe	oh, that wasn't much code at all
2016-02-13 12:25:41	rom1504	oh
2016-02-13 12:26:01	rom1504	I just noticed that Luminance+Transparency properties give the same information that the Light page
2016-02-13 12:28:42	rom1504	so I could extract that automatically and put it in blocks.json too hansihe 
2016-02-13 12:29:20	hansihe	yeah, that might be a better solution
2016-02-13 12:34:45	rom1504	I'm wondering if transparent and filter should be 2 properties or just one
2016-02-13 12:35:07	rom1504	stairs would be 15
2016-02-13 12:35:11	rom1504	but what would stone be
2016-02-13 12:35:22	rom1504	well
2016-02-13 12:35:28	rom1504	I guess 2 properties make more sense
2016-02-13 12:35:31	hansihe	blocks all light, 15
2016-02-13 12:35:41	hansihe	yeah, it would
2016-02-13 12:39:45	rom1504	hansihe: fully transparent blocks should have filterLight to 0 right ?
2016-02-13 12:41:12	hansihe	i believe so
2016-02-13 12:41:23	hansihe	i think i might have made a mistake in my pr
2016-02-13 12:41:28	rom1504	btw water and ice are 13
2016-02-13 12:41:39	rom1504	if I understand right
2016-02-13 12:41:45	rom1504	err no nevermind
2016-02-13 12:46:02	hansihe	hmm
2016-02-13 12:46:20	hansihe	water should be 0 if i understand right
2016-02-13 12:46:31	hansihe	ice should have 2
2016-02-13 12:46:42	rom1504	"Partial (-2 to light)"
2016-02-13 12:46:46	rom1504	http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Water
2016-02-13 12:46:53	hansihe	ah, it's 2 then
2016-02-13 12:47:37	rom1504	yeah, I'm kind of hard coding the special values of transparent
2016-02-13 12:47:45	rom1504	that's what's annoying about wikis
2016-02-13 12:47:50	rom1504	these infoboxes I mean
2016-02-13 12:47:58	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-13 12:48:00	rom1504	it seems to be structured data
2016-02-13 12:48:06	rom1504	and then... some natural language
2016-02-13 12:48:31	rom1504	Partial <small>(doesn\'t block light)</small>
2016-02-13 12:48:35	rom1504	wtf does that mean
2016-02-13 12:48:46	rom1504	http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Monster_Spawner
2016-02-13 12:49:24	rom1504	I'm going to say it means 0
2016-02-13 12:51:00	rom1504	"Opaque, but lets light pass through"
2016-02-13 12:51:02	rom1504	lol
2016-02-13 12:51:09	rom1504	Barrier
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2016-02-13 12:51:18	rom1504	it's opaque but... not really !
2016-02-13 12:52:41	hansihe	hahaha, this is so terrible
2016-02-13 12:53:01	hansihe	i have a feeling this is mostly the fault of the wiki
2016-02-13 12:56:48	hansihe	okey, just looked at Blocks.java
2016-02-13 12:56:56	hansihe	it's much better expressed there it seems
2016-02-13 13:01:20	rom1504	there's a single file with data in mc source ?
2016-02-13 13:01:42	rom1504	I thought it was in the 300 blocks class in various ways
2016-02-13 13:03:16	hansihe	yeah, but the light filter values are set where they register blocks
2016-02-13 13:04:56	hansihe	rom1504: https://gist.github.com/hansihe/3dd2a3c0c06f7e41ad0b
2016-02-13 13:05:03	rom1504	I'm going to make a PR with the data from the wiki soon, it might not be perfect but it's probably okay for now
2016-02-13 13:05:08	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-13 13:05:22	rom1504	ah yeah I see
2016-02-13 13:05:23	hansihe	it's easy to fix later
2016-02-13 13:05:47	rom1504	oh well I'm getting 504 :d
2016-02-13 13:05:57	rom1504	seems I'm doing a bit too much http requests to the wiki ^^
2016-02-13 13:06:15	hansihe	ah :P
2016-02-13 13:06:41	rom1504	must like 300 requests every time I run the block extractors
2016-02-13 13:09:43	rom1504	hansihe: https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/pull/102
2016-02-13 13:12:26	hansihe	does look right
2016-02-13 13:12:35	hansihe	but yeah, i do think transparency is still useful
2016-02-13 13:13:00	hansihe	when writing a renderer it tells you if you can cull the geometry behind it
2016-02-13 13:13:21	rom1504	but transparent == false is filterLight==15 and transparent == true is filterLight == 0 
2016-02-13 13:13:41	rom1504	hmm
2016-02-13 13:14:03	hansihe	it's true that filterlight is always 15 when transparency is false
2016-02-13 13:14:24	rom1504	ah yeah what I said is not true
2016-02-13 13:14:32	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-13 13:14:40	rom1504	it can be transparent and still be filterLight==15
2016-02-13 13:14:46	hansihe	yep
2016-02-13 13:14:49	rom1504	okay it's useful then
2016-02-13 13:14:51	hansihe	like a slab i think
2016-02-13 13:17:14	rom1504	hmm
2016-02-13 13:18:21	hansihe	there are more materials in the game than in materials.json as well
2016-02-13 13:18:31	hansihe	not sure if this is a deliberate decision
2016-02-13 13:19:07	rom1504	it's material as in "digging material", not the materials of the wiki
2016-02-13 13:19:22	hansihe	oh, right
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2016-02-13 13:25:51	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±8] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/56007592b76b...db3a7812939f
2016-02-13 13:25:53	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 db3a781 - Merge pull request #102 from PrismarineJS/add_light add emitLight and filterLight
2016-02-13 13:25:54	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 deleted branch add_light
2016-02-13 13:30:09	rom1504	hansihe: merged my block light pr
2016-02-13 13:30:21	rom1504	and closed yours since it's in blocks.json now
2016-02-13 13:30:58	hansihe	awesome!
2016-02-13 14:10:52	rom1504	alright I updated the doc, these values can be seen in http://prismarinejs.github.io/minecraft-data/?d=blocks now (show/hide columns)
2016-02-13 14:12:19	hansihe	nice
2016-02-13 14:12:26	hansihe	one thing i noticed though
2016-02-13 14:12:39	hansihe	tnt has filterlight 0 and and transparent true
2016-02-13 14:12:41	hansihe	is that right?
2016-02-13 14:14:32	hansihe	also unlit redstone lamp should have emitlight 0
2016-02-13 14:15:01	hansihe	same with redstone torch and furnace
2016-02-13 14:15:33	hansihe	there is no real way to parse that from the wiki though
2016-02-13 14:15:33	rom1504	http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/TNT "Partial (cannot attach other blocks)"
2016-02-13 14:15:44	rom1504	I can just hardcode it I guess
2016-02-13 14:16:22	hansihe	i think that means the only way it acts like a transparent block is that you can't attach things like torches to it
2016-02-13 14:16:54	hansihe	it might be nice to have a json file containing overrides
2016-02-13 14:17:02	hansihe	i don't know if you are overriding anything else
2016-02-13 14:17:51	rom1504	https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-wiki-extractor/issues/12
2016-02-13 14:18:12	rom1504	yes
2016-02-13 14:18:26	rom1504	having a .json for overriding is a good idea
2016-02-13 14:18:36	hansihe	haha, sorry for saying everything here in irc :P
2016-02-13 14:18:37	rom1504	I've just hardcoded some stuff currently
2016-02-13 14:18:46	hansihe	yeah
2016-02-13 14:19:10	rom1504	it's okay, it's just I don't have time to do it right now, and I don't want to have to back logs when I have time ^^
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2016-02-13 16:56:30	OnlyQubes	Hey guys, i can't seem to figure out when minecraft uses the 'downloading terrain' screen (or how is it called), i get it when for example a server uses bungeecord and i want to go to another server from the hub.
2016-02-13 17:01:27	hansihe	OnlyQubes: I think it's the time between when the login is finished and the player spawn packet
2016-02-13 17:02:21	OnlyQubes	ahh okay P:
2016-02-13 17:07:03	hansihe	Unsure how it works in relation to switching worlds though, someone else probably knows that
2016-02-13 17:11:28	rom1504	the respawn packet do that
2016-02-13 17:11:58	rom1504	well, when you change world
2016-02-13 17:12:11	rom1504	http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Respawn
2016-02-13 17:12:20	rom1504	there's some explanation there
2016-02-13 17:34:15	OnlyQubes	yup found it, thanks :P
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2016-02-14 04:58:36	stalkerr	is this channel for minecraft hacking kids?
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2016-02-14 04:58:40	stalkerr	just asking
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2016-02-14 04:58:51	__0x277F	Depends.
2016-02-14 04:59:02	__0x277F	Nobody here is "hacking kids". <3
2016-02-14 05:00:50	stalkerr	k
2016-02-14 05:01:07	stalkerr	also hi
2016-02-14 05:01:21	stalkerr	so __0x277F what are you doing here
2016-02-14 05:01:37	stalkerr	what are you doing on this channel people?
2016-02-14 05:01:42	__0x277F	Idling, mostly
2016-02-14 05:01:58	__0x277F	My biggest claim to fame in here is that I documented 1 packet for 1.9. :/
2016-02-14 05:02:03	__0x277F	So you should ask someone more impressive.
2016-02-14 05:04:49	stalkerr	i made a spigot plugin once
2016-02-14 05:05:02	stalkerr	it was even doing something
2016-02-14 05:05:03	stalkerr	kek
2016-02-14 05:05:37	stalkerr	(it was useless actually)
2016-02-14 05:06:30	stalkerr	any one of you was making cheats for minecraft?
2016-02-14 05:06:33	stalkerr	damn
2016-02-14 05:06:34	stalkerr	oh
2016-02-14 05:06:45	stalkerr	__0x277F, packet you say?
2016-02-14 05:07:00	stalkerr	like sniffing packets or how it's called
2016-02-14 05:07:25	__0x277F	Normally people here aren't making clients designed to exploit bugs in the server.
2016-02-14 05:07:39	stalkerr	normally
2016-02-14 05:07:40	stalkerr	k
2016-02-14 05:07:40	__0x277F	And all it was was looking through decompiled sources for 1.9 snapshots
2016-02-14 05:07:49	stalkerr	ok
2016-02-14 05:08:12	stalkerr	would want to see minecraft packets in real time
2016-02-14 05:08:15	stalkerr	damn
2016-02-14 05:08:39	__0x277F	They're encrypted.
2016-02-14 05:09:14	stalkerr	i know
2016-02-14 05:09:21	stalkerr	but there must be a way
2016-02-14 05:09:28	stalkerr	and it is i think
2016-02-14 05:09:56	__0x277F	Is there something specific you're looking for?
2016-02-14 05:10:12	stalkerr	ye
2016-02-14 05:10:22	stalkerr	but i don't know what
2016-02-14 05:10:35	stalkerr	what decompiler u using?
2016-02-14 05:11:30	__0x277F	I'm hesitant to support you considering you came in here asking for help making "cheats".
2016-02-14 05:11:42	stalkerr	man
2016-02-14 05:11:42	__0x277F	But Fernflower is undoubtedly the best decompiler.
2016-02-14 05:12:02	stalkerr	just asking
2016-02-14 05:12:04	stalkerr	calm downn
2016-02-14 05:12:06	stalkerr	kek
2016-02-14 05:12:59	stalkerr	ok, i'll tell you
2016-02-14 05:13:01	stalkerr	http://antycheat.pl/index.php?page=versions
2016-02-14 05:13:03	stalkerr	see?
2016-02-14 05:13:41	stalkerr	i want to reverse engineer that
2016-02-14 05:13:58	stalkerr	well it's poorly made i think
2016-02-14 05:14:14	stalkerr	but i want to know how did they made this
2016-02-14 05:14:16	__0x277F	What is it, even? 
2016-02-14 05:14:39	stalkerr	a modded version of minecraft
2016-02-14 05:15:02	stalkerr	you know, you cant install cheats on it
2016-02-14 05:15:31	stalkerr	and you cant join servers using their plugin without this modded version
2016-02-14 05:16:03	stalkerr	also, how would you prevent people from using cheats on pvp server?
2016-02-14 05:16:12	__0x277F	Short answer is, you can't.
2016-02-14 05:16:17	stalkerr	damn
2016-02-14 05:16:26	__0x277F	There's no amount of things you can do to prevent a determined person from cheating.
2016-02-14 05:16:27	stalkerr	:d
2016-02-14 05:16:36	__0x277F	However, you can do many things to make it more difficult.
2016-02-14 05:17:33	stalkerr	is making a modded version that allows you to join a server a good option?
2016-02-14 05:18:13	stalkerr	but damn man
2016-02-14 05:18:33	stalkerr	you can decompile it and reverse engineer it
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2016-02-14 05:20:49	stalkerr	like no way of preventing people to see underground tunnels without client mods
2016-02-14 05:20:51	stalkerr	damn
2016-02-14 05:22:42	+AndrewPH	sure there is
2016-02-14 05:22:50	+AndrewPH	fill em up when the player isn't supposed to be able to see them
2016-02-14 05:23:38	stalkerr	wow
2016-02-14 05:23:42	stalkerr	man
2016-02-14 05:23:52	stalkerr	ok maybe
2016-02-14 05:24:27	stalkerr	but it would be server intense
2016-02-14 05:24:30	stalkerr	i think
2016-02-14 05:25:24	stalkerr	hm
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2016-02-14 10:07:26	morfin	i remember i was playing PvP server 
2016-02-14 10:07:52	morfin	but all that anticheats did absolutely nothing 
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2016-02-14 10:55:39	hansihe	generally the people using things like xray are idiots, it's really easy to detect analytically
2016-02-14 10:56:12	hansihe	you just look at their ratio of stone to ore
2016-02-14 10:56:51	hansihe	obviously that's easy to avoid though
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2016-02-14 11:28:42	morfin	yes i know it's easy to detecty
2016-02-14 11:29:16	morfin	but  i was using Xray on server where played  and my ratio stone:diamonds was looking  fine
2016-02-14 11:30:04	morfin	because i was not doing stupid things  
2016-02-14 11:30:14	morfin	like digging directly to the diamonds
2016-02-14 11:33:54	morfin	that's because i was alone vs glitchers(abusing /home command specifics to teleport trought walls), donaters(can fly but not when fighting, also have cool gear), other cheaters(obvious haxors were banned)
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2016-02-14 14:08:15	stalkerr	man
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2016-02-14 18:49:20	stalkerr	rip #mcdevs 
2016-02-14 19:02:50	nickelpro	lol wtf
2016-02-14 19:03:17	nickelpro	Whenever #mcdevs has an activity spike it is always something weird
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2016-02-14 19:13:15	stalkerr	oh man so weird
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2016-02-15 07:09:19	ecx_	uh oh.
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2016-02-15 09:03:32	Meeeh	maybe here someone will know... what happened to netty 5? (java socket library) 
2016-02-15 09:41:38	+ammar2	what happened to it?
2016-02-15 10:00:14	Meeeh	ammar2, no code on github for 5.x, nu updates for few months, there are only some issues on github
2016-02-15 10:00:29	Meeeh	and old snapshot in sonatype snapshot repo
2016-02-15 10:00:35	kashike	just means they're working on 4.x
2016-02-15 10:01:15	Meeeh	but what with 5.0? they just removed it?
2016-02-15 10:01:26	Meeeh	it will be no longer created/updated?
2016-02-15 10:05:27	Meeeh	"The 'master' branch is where the development of the latest major version lives on."
2016-02-15 10:05:34	Meeeh	there is no master branch :D
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2016-02-15 13:30:45	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/db3a7812939f...a6bbb54a257b
2016-02-15 13:30:47	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 a6bbb54 - add McEx to user list
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2016-02-15 20:51:06	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 6 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/a6bbb54a257b...80cb5f84830d
2016-02-15 20:51:07	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] oldmanmike 501a2aa - First pass over ServerBound Play
2016-02-15 20:51:09	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] oldmanmike b22f2df - Complete full pass over protocol
2016-02-15 20:51:10	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] oldmanmike 5970f10 - Add some new packets I missed
2016-02-15 20:51:12	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] ... and 3 more commits.
2016-02-15 20:52:44	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/80cb5f84830d...545e1ca367f8
2016-02-15 20:52:46	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 545e1ca - fix held_item_slot in 1.9 and update version
2016-02-15 20:59:19	rom1504	oldmanmike: thanks for updating the 1.9 protocol.json ! that's really the kind of thing I hoped minecraft data could achieve, updating the data in a single point by devs coding in different languages :)
2016-02-15 20:59:55	rom1504	that means http://prismarinejs.github.io/minecraft-data/?v=1.9&d=protocol is an up to date doc for the 1.9 protocol
2016-02-15 21:01:03	rom1504	(still without all the notes and comments of wiki.vg page, but still !)
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2016-02-15 21:09:50	ecx86	you know what would also be useful
2016-02-15 21:10:14	ecx86	dumping entity hitbox sizes, which blocks are passable by light, block hitboxes, which blocks are translucent, which blocks are passable by entities
2016-02-15 21:10:42	ecx86	oh, entities are dumped
2016-02-15 21:11:00	rom1504	blocks transparency has been recently added
2016-02-15 21:11:06	ecx86	in 1.9?
2016-02-15 21:11:13	rom1504	both 1.8 and 1.9
2016-02-15 21:11:17	ecx86	so all blocks can have translucent?
2016-02-15 21:11:23	rom1504	I mean in mcdata
2016-02-15 21:11:26	ecx86	oh.
2016-02-15 21:11:50	rom1504	passable by entity is available as "physics" property
2016-02-15 21:11:54	ecx86	i wonder how you dumped this so consistently ?
2016-02-15 21:12:00	rom1504	we don't have block hitboxes yet though
2016-02-15 21:12:03	ecx86	so many edge cases
2016-02-15 21:12:13	rom1504	ecx86: extracted from the wiki
2016-02-15 21:12:19	ecx86	oh
2016-02-15 21:12:23	ecx86	for entity sizes
2016-02-15 21:12:32	ecx86	i used instrumentation and i looked for all calls to setsize in the bytecode
2016-02-15 21:13:20	rom1504	yeah extracting from the jar is definitely the most precise method, but it's not very easy
2016-02-15 21:13:28	ecx86	mhmm
2016-02-15 21:13:40	ecx86	it was not...pretty
2016-02-15 21:14:50	ecx86	https://paste.whitefire.in/view/gvJMAicYXl
2016-02-15 21:15:30	ecx86	https://paste.whitefire.in/view/SAW5oK0ey2
2016-02-15 21:18:01	rom1504	interesting
2016-02-15 21:20:07	ecx86	i might dump the block hitboxes.
2016-02-15 21:21:10	ecx86	i wonder how the filterlight and transparent fields were collected for the wiki originally...? empirically?
2016-02-15 21:23:09	rom1504	I have no idea
2016-02-15 21:23:16	rom1504	but I bet a lot of manual work
2016-02-15 21:23:35	ecx86	seems like alot of work
2016-02-15 21:24:23	rom1504	yeah but then every single block, item and entity have its own page with lot of description
2016-02-15 21:24:29	rom1504	that's a lot of work too
2016-02-15 21:26:06	rom1504	sometimes it's easier to find people to write stuff manually than to write extractors
2016-02-15 21:26:32	rom1504	(that's true not just for the minecraft wiki, but also for wikipedia if you think about it ;) )
2016-02-15 21:26:48	ecx86	so let me tell u
2016-02-15 21:26:52	ecx86	about light passthrough
2016-02-15 21:26:53	ecx86	first
2016-02-15 21:27:04	ecx86	it depends whether the block is an opaque cube.
2016-02-15 21:27:16	ecx86	also the light transparency value, (like for water, etc).
2016-02-15 21:27:26	ecx86	then it depends on a bunch of hardcoded stuff
2016-02-15 21:27:37	ecx86	in the renderer
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2016-02-15 21:48:43	ecx86	there is a problem with the block list at http://prismarinejs.github.io/minecraft-data/?v=1.9&d=blocks
2016-02-15 21:48:55	ecx86	slabs filter 15 light. theyre basically opaque for lighting
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2016-02-15 21:59:47	rom1504	yeah I know, the data is pretty new (a few days ago), I have some stuff to fix https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-wiki-extractor/issues/12
2016-02-15 22:00:28	ecx86	omg i just checked and the blocks have their own raytrace handler hardcoded
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2016-02-15 22:40:10	hansihe	a lot of the block transparency stuff was verified by looking at the decompiled source
2016-02-15 22:40:20	hansihe	the wiki is wrong on a couple of accounts it seems
2016-02-15 22:41:31	hansihe	but yeah, a jar extractor would probably be worth it to make
2016-02-15 22:42:07	hansihe	even if you have to supply it some deobfuscated names manually, it would still be better
2016-02-15 22:43:51	hansihe	it seems like a lot of the less pretty parts in the minecraft codebase is to work around java
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2016-02-16 00:28:04	Gjum	well pokechu is working on burger again, maybe they get it working again
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2016-02-16 03:52:42	ecx86	the sample code for direction to rotation vector at http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_Look is bad
2016-02-16 03:53:09	ecx86	im going to replace it with better code (https://paste.whitefire.in/view/zL6o8VFaKU). the results are the same and its faster
2016-02-16 05:20:33	Akaibu	Silly question likely, but are those the real Grum and Dinnerbone?
2016-02-16 05:21:17	Akaibu	Also Brandon15811 is it really needed to have 4 clients connected to one channel?
2016-02-16 05:46:31	+ammar2	yes and please avoid pinging them like that 
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2016-02-16 07:17:30	ecx86	someone should delete these pages... http://wiki.vg/Category:Craftd
2016-02-16 07:17:44	ecx86	project hasn't been updated since 2011
2016-02-16 07:19:04	+ammar2	meh doesn't really hurt anyone having them under a subsection
2016-02-16 07:19:19	ecx86	i guess
2016-02-16 07:20:06	ecx86	http://wiki.vg/Sandbox lol
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2016-02-16 09:08:08	rom15043	greenkeepeer is trying to tell us something
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2016-02-16 09:33:38	rom1504	I'd like it better if he was creating branches with his account instead of mine though
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2016-02-16 09:42:26	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] deathcap bee52e8 - Add protocol version codes up to 16w07a (101)
2016-02-16 09:42:28	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 d217769 - Merge pull request #110 from deathcap/versions-16w07a Add protocol version codes up to 16w07a (101)
2016-02-16 09:45:54	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/d21776957c41...3667cb860ce3
2016-02-16 09:45:55	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] oldmanmike e936b62 - Reordered 1.9 protocol packets
2016-02-16 09:45:57	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 3667cb8 - Merge pull request #108 from oldmanmike/reordered-protocol Reordered 1.9 protocol packets
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2016-02-16 09:47:53	Not-1f77	[Charge] Wallbraker de25086 - lib: Update GL bindings
2016-02-16 09:47:54	Not-1f77	[Charge] Wallbraker 2596b3e - examples: Update GL example
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2016-02-16 10:14:14	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] deathcap d8f7c28 - Update audit tests: allow versions with no items/blocks/recipes for now
2016-02-16 10:14:16	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] deathcap d20aed5 - Update schema tests to skip non-existent data
2016-02-16 10:14:17	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] deathcap 90b52c3 - Restore support for 15w40b
2016-02-16 10:14:19	Not-1733	[minecraft-data] rom1504 60857b6 - Merge pull request #109 from deathcap/15w40b Restore support for 15w40b
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2016-02-16 15:32:00	Meeeh	eeem, mojang? http://imgur.com/mczRNy4 I think this is not how end portals works xD
2016-02-16 15:35:49	Meeeh	also that cages was my favorite change about dragon/end :<
2016-02-16 15:40:52	rom1504	meh, just a small offset problem, it almost works, nothing to fix :p
2016-02-16 15:44:27	Meeeh	yeach :D
2016-02-16 15:45:02	Meeeh	also /ecnahnt command with invalid enchant strng id, returns that there is no ID with ID 0
2016-02-16 15:50:24	Meeeh	Elytra don't work on creative now :(
2016-02-16 15:50:52	Meeeh	or on survival too... or I just don't know how to use it now xD
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2016-02-16 15:58:15	rom1504	I don't even know what elytra is
2016-02-16 15:58:53	rom1504	I only ever used 1.9 to test that node-minecraft-protocol proxy works on it. No crash = it works, I don't care about 1.9 features :p
2016-02-16 16:01:25	rom1504	ah
2016-02-16 16:01:51	rom1504	it's the reason why all these packets have a hand enum
2016-02-16 16:02:12	Meeeh	you have 2 hands now, so yeach
2016-02-16 16:02:56	Meeeh	also for some usless reason you can choose if you use right or left hand as main
2016-02-16 16:03:01	hansihe	vulkan is out!
2016-02-16 16:04:09	olmanmike	YAY! 
2016-02-16 16:04:38	olmanmike	I'm celebrating by trying to get started on a client
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2016-02-16 16:06:05	olmanmike	may the FFI gold rush begin
2016-02-16 16:06:51	hansihe	haha
2016-02-16 16:06:58	hansihe	#rust-gamedev is already on it
2016-02-16 16:07:57	olmanmike	Yeah, and there's been a dummy project in Hackage for a while now, hopefully that dude has time soon 
2016-02-16 16:09:02	Meeeh	nah Grum / Dinnerbone you may try too look at that portals and enchant command, I don't see this bug anywhere on bugtracker, but too lazy to login
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2016-02-16 16:20:06	Fenhl	Meeeh: you need to jump in midair to activate elytra. For some reason it doesn't always work though
2016-02-16 16:20:34	Meeeh	Fenhl, nah, so they changed it, ugh, near impossible to do on creative
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2016-02-16 18:26:34	+Grum	Meeeh: that is too vague :(
2016-02-16 18:27:19	Meeeh	Grum, ? idk why portal was created like that ;/
2016-02-16 18:27:37	+Grum	it was?
2016-02-16 18:28:12	Meeeh	I placed manualy that end blocks, then added eyes to it and...
2016-02-16 18:28:34	Meeeh	http://imgur.com/mczRNy4 this isn't center of portal I think
2016-02-16 18:28:57	+Grum	something is weird; you have mis-placed your portal frames so it seems
2016-02-16 18:29:23	Meeeh	but why it created the portal?
2016-02-16 18:30:01	+Grum	you can reproduce?
2016-02-16 18:30:29	Meeeh	I may try, by placing all portals with this same facing 
2016-02-16 18:31:20	+Grum	i cannot quite reproduce so it seems
2016-02-16 18:31:35	+Grum	if you can reproduce it i can fix it :)
2016-02-16 18:32:07	Meeeh	yach, I know how that works :D it is very hard to find bug if you can't reprocude it to see what is happening 
2016-02-16 18:33:10	+Grum	if I even place a single one facing the wrong way it doesn't work here
2016-02-16 18:33:33	+Grum	you did test the latest snapshot right?
2016-02-16 18:33:35	Meeeh	created this same portal - no reaction this time o.O
2016-02-16 18:33:37	Meeeh	yep
2016-02-16 18:33:39	Meeeh	new world
2016-02-16 18:33:57	+Grum	the only valid way to make a portal, is standing in the middle of it, placing the frames around you
2016-02-16 18:34:03	+Grum	else the frames are going to be oriented wrong
2016-02-16 18:34:31	+Grum	maybe you can give me the world where it went wrong?
2016-02-16 18:34:37	Meeeh	maybe that second broken portal do some black magic, hyym I may try create second world with this same seed
2016-02-16 18:35:02	Meeeh	Grum, what? you want .zip file with it?
2016-02-16 18:35:08	+Grum	yeah sure
2016-02-16 18:35:17	+Grum	do you happen to know in whihc block yuo last placed the eye?
2016-02-16 18:35:37	+Grum	oh
2016-02-16 18:35:54	Meeeh	no ;/ that is hard to remember 
2016-02-16 18:36:57	+Grum	well i guess just 12 choices ey ;D
2016-02-16 18:37:07	__0x277F	Has anyone reported this bug before the latest snapshot?
2016-02-16 18:37:19	+Grum	no but the mechanic to make them was changed
2016-02-16 18:37:23	+Grum	because it was gloriously broken
2016-02-16 18:37:32	 *	__0x277F downloads latest
2016-02-16 18:38:02	+Grum	was not changed this snapshot though, some weeks ago
2016-02-16 18:38:16	__0x277F	Eh, I had an old one anyway
2016-02-16 18:44:46	Meeeh	nah, weird, just can't reproduce it
2016-02-16 18:44:52	Meeeh	it must be something really weird
2016-02-16 18:48:52	Meeeh	maybe it is enough weird that no one ever will be able to reproduce it... :D there is any cache in code? that save how portal blocks were placed/activated? or it just scan terrarin around to find valid portal pattern? Grum 
2016-02-16 18:49:07	+Grum	should scan
2016-02-16 18:51:00	+Grum	it is actually happening
2016-02-16 18:51:01	+Grum	awesome
2016-02-16 18:51:04	+Grum	will fix tomorrow
2016-02-16 18:51:18	Meeeh	oh, how you reproduced that?
2016-02-16 18:51:26	+Grum	oh i just smashed all the portal blocks
2016-02-16 18:51:39	+Grum	replaced the one in the closest corner with the 'west' orientation
2016-02-16 18:51:42	+Grum	aaaand it did it agian
2016-02-16 18:52:39	Meeeh	yeach, that will fit to me trying create a portal :D I forgot that they all need facing to center
2016-02-16 18:53:23	Meeeh	Grum, also, maybe small fix for that? http://imgur.com/a/vuGzJ
2016-02-16 18:53:42	+Grum	Yeah reproduced fully
2016-02-16 18:53:46	+Grum	I tihnk I know what is causing it as well
2016-02-16 18:53:57	+Grum	the blockpattern i am using ... i guess ... allows rotation
2016-02-16 18:54:01	+Grum	it needs to NOT do that
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2016-02-16 18:56:48	Meeeh	Grum, hah, works on this world, but I can reproduce this in my other world 
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2016-02-16 18:58:29	Meeeh	oh, did it.
2016-02-16 18:58:38	+Grum	make sure the target area is empty
2016-02-16 18:59:01	Meeeh	one portal was missplaced
2016-02-16 18:59:27	Meeeh	they still need to be 3x this same portals in row as far as I see
2016-02-16 19:00:18	Meeeh	but anyway, happy fixing Grum :D and what about message?
2016-02-16 19:07:32	Meeeh	There was any packet changes in newest snapshots? (last 2, maybe 3)
2016-02-16 19:07:44	Meeeh	especially related to entites/metadata etc
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2016-02-16 19:50:54	+Grum	Meeeh: i'm sorry? about 'message' ?
2016-02-16 19:51:17	Meeeh	Grum, enchant command http://imgur.com/a/vuGzJ
2016-02-16 19:51:31	+Grum	that seems correct
2016-02-16 19:51:58	Meeeh	it should be more like "with ID minecraft:invalid_name"
2016-02-16 19:52:02	+Grum	nope
2016-02-16 19:53:06	Meeeh	0 looks weird here to me, even if id-s are still used under everything, but ok :P
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2016-02-16 19:54:10	Meeeh	so, if you are already here, Grum, do you recall any changes in packets or something related to them in last 2/3 snapshots? mostly with entites?
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2016-02-16 21:16:34	tktech	Anyone know where lukegb hangs out?
2016-02-16 21:56:29	+Thinkofname	tktech: I see him on esper
2016-02-16 21:56:47	tktech	Yup yup, hunted him down on #sponge
2016-02-16 21:56:49	tktech	Thanks!
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2016-02-16 23:20:37	redstonehelper	Grum Meeeh: it appears to be a valid bug :D https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-89174
2016-02-16 23:21:40	redstonehelper	Meeeh: someone else had the same portal thing happen earlier
2016-02-16 23:21:46	redstonehelper	https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-97216
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2016-02-16 23:25:51	Meeeh	redstonehelper, read irc xD grum was here and already reproduced it, and he said it will be fixed: "will fix tomorrow"
2016-02-16 23:26:09	redstonehelper	serves me right for skimming over the backlog
2016-02-16 23:26:41	redstonehelper	ok now I reproduced it too
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