2016-01-22 11:25:09	hansihe	nah, that's not working yet, only spawning for now
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2016-01-22 12:50:58	rom1504	does erlang have some kind of native handling for fixed positions ?
2016-01-22 12:51:46	rom1504	(we have to store position as fixed positions (integers) in flying-squid to have precise positions, and that's a bit annoying)
2016-01-22 12:52:19	rom1504	*fixed point number (http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Fixed-point_numbers)
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2016-01-22 14:49:45	hansihe	rom1504: not really
2016-01-22 14:50:23	hansihe	i just convert it to and from a float in my decoder/encoder code, that might not work out though
2016-01-22 14:57:46	hansihe	you would have to move pretty far out before you lose much precision when using a float, should probably be fine?
2016-01-22 16:15:32	rom1504	hansihe: Math.round(10*(9.95-9.9)) == 0
2016-01-22 16:15:59	rom1504	I'm not exactly sure, but we had precision problems when using floats internally in flying-squid
2016-01-22 16:16:04	rom1504	*exactly sure why
2016-01-22 16:16:15	hansihe	hmm
2016-01-22 16:16:17	rom1504	probably the same reason why mojang uses fixed point though
2016-01-22 16:16:48	rom1504	still looking for a good solution to expose "normal positions" without having this kind of problems
2016-01-22 16:17:02	rom1504	I think java kind of natively handle it
2016-01-22 16:17:19	hansihe	i hadn't really imagined i would need to do a whole lot of math like that, i was just thinking about passing the numbers around
2016-01-22 16:17:38	hansihe	thats probably foolish though
2016-01-22 16:18:09	hansihe	but yeah, if you had precision problems, then it's an issue
2016-01-22 16:18:10	rom1504	try it, if it works I'm doing it wrong, hopefully that's the case
2016-01-22 16:18:40	rom1504	(test case : start 2 clients, move around with one client, look with the other client if the first client position is correct)
2016-01-22 16:18:43	hansihe	right, yeah, i'll try it, will switch to fixed if it creates problems :)
2016-01-22 16:18:59	hansihe	yeah
2016-01-22 16:19:40	+Thinkofname	rom1504: mojang uses doubles internally, fixed point is only for the protocol.
2016-01-22 16:21:25	rom1504	hmm okay, maybe I was just doing rounding positions wrongly or something
2016-01-22 16:36:48	hansihe	rom1504: you have a separate project for minecraft data, right? how do you obtain it?
2016-01-22 16:37:47	rom1504	it's there https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data
2016-01-22 16:37:54	rom1504	lot of explanation about it in the readme
2016-01-22 16:38:14	rom1504	that's how we get the data https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data#extraction
2016-01-22 16:38:29	hansihe	ahhh, right
2016-01-22 16:38:31	hansihe	thanks!
2016-01-22 16:39:21	rom1504	this might be interesting if you want to use it https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/blob/master/doc/make-a-new-wrapper.md ;)
2016-01-22 16:39:31	hansihe	you don't use the protocol json for flying squid?
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2016-01-22 16:40:18	rom1504	yes I do
2016-01-22 16:40:25	rom1504	it's used by node-minecraft-protocol
2016-01-22 16:40:37	rom1504	which in turn is used by flying-squid (and mineflayer, and other projects)
2016-01-22 16:40:52	hansihe	ah, protocol wasn't listed next to flying squid :)
2016-01-22 16:41:03	hansihe	but yeah, i think i might use this actually
2016-01-22 16:41:54	rom1504	cool :)
2016-01-22 16:42:15	rom1504	do ask if you have any question about it ;)
2016-01-22 16:44:25	rom1504	I guess it's not obvious that protocol.json is used by mineflayer and flying-squid in that readme yeah, I'll probably change it
2016-01-22 16:48:17	hansihe	i wish i knew about this before i transcribed almost the entire protocol manually :P
2016-01-22 17:21:39	hansihe	is 10 seconds a good delay between keepalive messages?
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2016-01-22 21:02:58	OnlyQubes	Hello, I'm having a weird error, wondering if anybody else had this happen to them or am i doing something wrong. So when i teleport the player a big distance, it doesn't receive all the chunks it seems, im tping it here https://a.pomf.cat/wegiyz.png, but it only gets https://a.pomf.cat/jqldlo.png chunks. Any idea why its doing this ? :?
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2016-01-22 21:17:43	Gjum	OnlyQubes: maybe worldgen is too slow?
2016-01-22 21:25:24	OnlyQubes	the world is generated, but the client just isn't getting the packet i think, i don't really need to send anything when the client tps to a new location? (im the client not the server)
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2016-01-22 21:29:47	Gjum	OnlyQubes: should be just server-side, somebody does /tp, server sends new pos, client reflects, server sends chunks
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2016-01-22 22:49:27	rom1504	OnlyQubes: do you handle (both!) chunk packets properly ?
2016-01-22 22:53:48	OnlyQubes	I handle the Single chunk and Multi chunk packets. Also now the issue seems to be fixed, not sure what changed D:
2016-01-22 22:54:28	rom1504	magic
2016-01-22 22:54:51	OnlyQubes	:D
2016-01-22 22:55:05	rom1504	be careful though, magic fixing usually breaks later :p
2016-01-22 22:55:28	OnlyQubes	yeah, still need to find out what was wrong : <
2016-01-22 22:56:06	rom1504	when you do, add an unit test for this so it doesn't break again later ;)
2016-01-22 22:57:21	OnlyQubes	Yeah ill do that. But enough work for today, byee P:
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2016-01-22 23:34:54	__0x277F	I'm looking through some of the snapshot code, did they separate serverbound position packets for vehicles or am I reading this wrong?
2016-01-22 23:36:17	__0x277F	Because the wiki's prerelease specification lists a "Vehicle Move?" in the serverbound section.
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2016-01-22 23:55:26	rom1504	well
2016-01-22 23:55:33	rom1504	notice the ?
2016-01-22 23:55:40	__0x277F	Mhm. :P
2016-01-22 23:55:46	rom1504	and there's no http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Vehicle_Move.3F
2016-01-22 23:56:08	__0x277F	Since I'm pretty sure about it I am in the process of going about adding it.
2016-01-22 23:56:39	rom1504	what about Steer Vehicle ?
2016-01-22 23:56:44	rom1504	what's the difference with this packet ?
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2016-01-22 23:57:33	__0x277F	It has all the same values as a position and look packet.
2016-01-23 00:00:01	rom1504	ah
2016-01-23 00:00:11	rom1504	wonder why they don't just use position and look
2016-01-23 00:00:53	__0x277F	Looks like packet handling is a little bit different. 
2016-01-23 00:00:55	rom1504	but then, it's mojang
2016-01-23 00:00:58	Gjum	__0x277F: what's in the "Vehicle Move?" packet code-wise?
2016-01-23 00:00:58	__0x277F	Not sure how because I'm bad at math. :P
2016-01-23 00:01:18	rom1504	Gjum: "It has all the same values as a position and look packet."
2016-01-23 00:01:20	Gjum	how many fields? which types?
2016-01-23 00:01:27	__0x277F	Excluding the 2 booleans, that is.
2016-01-23 00:01:33	__0x277F	.whois Gjum 
2016-01-23 00:01:35	__0x277F	Oops
2016-01-23 00:01:38	 *	__0x277F hides in shame
2016-01-23 00:01:39	Gjum	^^ np
2016-01-23 00:01:58	Gjum	I just wrote 1.8 vehicle controls for SpockBot
2016-01-23 00:02:23	rom1504	now you can throw it away for 1.9 :p
2016-01-23 00:03:39	rom1504	best would be to write generic "handle position-and-look-kind movement" generic classes/functions and to use them whenever needed without having to throw away anything
2016-01-23 00:03:58	rom1504	err I put 2 times generic, guess I'll be very generic then
2016-01-23 00:04:02	rom1504	*it
2016-01-23 00:04:04	Gjum	it sounds like the client will tell the server the vehicle's position instead of steering it and letting the server decide where it goes
2016-01-23 00:04:34	Gjum	normal movement already works like this
2016-01-23 00:05:29	__0x277F	Quick question, how does one find the packet id of something? Someone already wrote 0x10 for this new one but I want to check to make sure.
2016-01-23 00:05:37	 *	__0x277F is new at this
2016-01-23 00:05:50	Gjum	__0x277F: they get set at runtime afaik
2016-01-23 00:06:01	Gjum	that's why they change so much between proto versions
2016-01-23 00:06:06	__0x277F	Ah.
2016-01-23 00:06:14	rom1504	yes but you can find it
2016-01-23 00:06:24	Gjum	same with entity ids I believe
2016-01-23 00:06:40	rom1504	https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-jar-extractor __0x277F 
2016-01-23 00:06:56	rom1504	that gets you the packet id <--> class name mapping
2016-01-23 00:07:08	__0x277F	Aha.
2016-01-23 00:07:25	rom1504	same one in python there https://github.com/pangeacake/minecraft-jar-extractor if you like python better
2016-01-23 00:07:54	Gjum	__0x277F: do you do any more than decompiling to look at the code?
2016-01-23 00:07:58	__0x277F	Nope. :3
2016-01-23 00:08:26	Gjum	ok. I was wondering if there is a sane way to get some name mapping going
2016-01-23 00:08:38	__0x277F	No idea.
2016-01-23 00:09:08	__0x277F	I know Spigot has some private snapshot mappings, but that's it.
2016-01-23 00:09:15	rom1504	Gjum: people write mappings for the decompiled code afaik
2016-01-23 00:09:21	rom1504	semi-manually
2016-01-23 00:09:24	rom1504	spigot yeah
2016-01-23 00:10:21	Gjum	do you know if there are any higher level tools involved? eg that compare the AST between versions and suggest names for unchanged code
2016-01-23 00:10:23	rom1504	but for us people not part of their secret organization, I'm afraid we just have to stare hard at ugly decompiled code :p
2016-01-23 00:10:28	__0x277F	So, since this serverbound vehicle move packet does, in fact, exist, does that mean that the clientbound vehicle move packet someone added to the list does also exist?
2016-01-23 00:11:54	rom1504	very possible
2016-01-23 00:12:26	rom1504	just like there's a clientbound and a serverbound Position And Look
2016-01-23 00:12:59	rom1504	Gjum: I think they have something like that, but I don't know more
2016-01-23 00:13:30	Gjum	something I sometimes use is https://bitbucket.org/cuchaz/minecraft-mappings
2016-01-23 00:14:15	Gjum	yeah if they copy player move behaviour to vehicles, that's gonna be the reflected packet to confirm/apologize to the server
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2016-01-23 00:31:15	__0x277F	Okay, submitted the new packet to the prerelease specification. Maybe I'll tackle the clientbound one tomorrow.
2016-01-23 00:38:30	Gjum	__0x277F: your table has no flags field...?
2016-01-23 00:39:04	__0x277F	The packet doesn't have a flags field either.
2016-01-23 00:39:13	__0x277F	It's just coords, yaw, and pitch
2016-01-23 00:40:56	Gjum	__0x277F: but it says "Absolute or relative position, depending on Flags"
2016-01-23 00:41:16	__0x277F	Yeah, my bad on that one.
2016-01-23 00:41:34	__0x277F	I'd assume that since there are no flags available it would default to absolute.
2016-01-23 00:41:42	__0x277F	I can't be sure though.
2016-01-23 00:43:15	__0x277F	Unfortunately, Gjum, I can't fix it now as I'm gonna go out for some dinner. 
2016-01-23 00:43:22	__0x277F	If you want to give it a shot, go right ahead.
2016-01-23 00:43:34	__0x277F	Otherwise, I'll probably do it either later today or tomorrow.
2016-01-23 00:43:41	Gjum	nah, I won't steal your credit on that one ;)
2016-01-23 00:45:12	__0x277F	It's not really worthy of any credit. :P It's one of the few packets where its handling may print an error that specifies what the packet is intended to do. :P
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2016-01-23 05:42:16	__0x277F	So I determined that the serverbound vehicle position packet uses absolute positioning; however, the clientbound one doesn't have a way to specify the same way player position packets do.
2016-01-23 05:42:50	__0x277F	From some filtering I think there's only one other class that meets the requirements of having 3 doubles and 2 floats.
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2016-01-23 12:58:22	morfin	or crap
2016-01-23 12:58:31	morfin	http://www.ijaminecraft.com/cmd/difficulty_hell/ 
2016-01-23 12:58:48	morfin	that's one command block with command 
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2016-01-23 15:24:20	hansihe	anyone know how vanilla server avoids congesting the client connection when sending chunks?
2016-01-23 15:31:02	rom1504	you got to send them  not too fast
2016-01-23 15:31:04	rom1504	also
2016-01-23 15:31:09	rom1504	compression changes everything
2016-01-23 15:31:18	rom1504	300x
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2016-01-23 15:32:06	hansihe	ahh, yeah, i'm not doing compression right now, i guess enabling that would be high priority
2016-01-23 15:32:56	rom1504	(I actually measured that, uncompressed chunks are 300x bigger than compressed ones, so that can be a few MB)
2016-01-23 15:33:16	hansihe	yeah, i can imagine
2016-01-23 15:33:22	rom1504	and well, not compressing chunks wasn't working so well in not-localhost
2016-01-23 15:33:23	hansihe	there is so much repetition
2016-01-23 15:45:51	hansihe	rom1504: what compression threshold do you use?
2016-01-23 15:46:08	hansihe	hope it's fine i ask questions by the way
2016-01-23 15:47:04	morfin	hmm
2016-01-23 15:47:22	morfin	one chunk is like few megabytes i think?
2016-01-23 15:48:22	morfin	with all blocks,lights,entities etc
2016-01-23 15:48:49	hansihe	around 3*16*16*16*4 bytes for blocks and light for a normal chunk i think
2016-01-23 15:49:14	hansihe	hmm wait
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2016-01-23 15:51:04	hansihe	im sending around 60 kilobytes per chunk
2016-01-23 15:51:11	hansihe	that's without entity data though
2016-01-23 15:51:35	hansihe	maybe 4kb or something is a good threshold?
2016-01-23 15:51:57	morfin	4kb?
2016-01-23 15:52:06	hansihe	compression threshold
2016-01-23 15:53:22	rom1504	hansihe: 256
2016-01-23 15:53:34	rom1504	that's the default vanilla threshold
2016-01-23 15:53:37	hansihe	ah
2016-01-23 15:53:39	rom1504	so I'm using the same one
2016-01-23 15:53:44	hansihe	yeah, i'll probably use that then
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2016-01-23 15:56:02	rom1504	it's fine to ask questions, sure !
2016-01-23 15:59:10	morfin	so you compress every 256 bytes?
2016-01-23 15:59:52	hansihe	morfin: packets that are above 256 bytes get compressed
2016-01-23 16:02:34	morfin	ah you meant that
2016-01-23 16:03:12	morfin	40 bytes threshold could compress too many of them and increase CPU load
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2016-01-23 17:04:25	hansihe	oh yeah, compression does help a LOT
2016-01-23 17:04:29	hansihe	much faster now
2016-01-23 17:44:04	morfin	do you use gzip?
2016-01-23 18:02:08	Gjum	deflate I suppose?
2016-01-23 18:02:52	Gjum	turns out, gzip also uses deflate...
2016-01-23 18:11:17	rom15043	Minecraft protocol compression is zlib. Which is deflate yeah, almost the same as zlib I think, just slightly different headers
2016-01-23 18:11:37	rom15043	*almost the same as gzip
2016-01-23 18:15:06	hansihe	gzip is deflate with header
2016-01-23 18:49:21	morfin	hmm
2016-01-23 18:59:36	morfin	ok then
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2016-01-23 19:32:33	hansihe	crouching works, but damn, the entity metadata format is something...
2016-01-23 19:32:49	__0x277F	I know, right? :P
2016-01-23 19:35:44	hansihe	Is it done by reflection or something in vanilla?
2016-01-23 19:36:01	hansihe	the way the inheritance stuff works sorta suggests it..
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2016-01-23 22:01:20	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/e01d9d9e1b7f...7f7f95ea832b
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2016-01-23 23:52:22	hansihe	this mca file i'm looking at doesn't have a gzip header, am i missing something?
2016-01-23 23:55:48	Meeeh_	hansihe,  mcs file isn't compressed, chunks in it are compressed
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2016-01-24 00:20:29	hansihe	well, i can't seem to find any documentation on the format at all then
2016-01-24 00:22:02	Meeeh	hansihe, what? http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Anvil_file_format
2016-01-24 00:23:24	Gjum	more in-depth on the technical level http://wiki.vg/Region_Files
2016-01-24 00:25:03	hansihe	right, okey
2016-01-24 00:25:51	hansihe	i was mainly looking at the wiki.vg page, it had absolutely no indication that there was an header, and that it was based on mcregion
2016-01-24 00:26:10	hansihe	i probably should have read through the gamepedia one better, that's my fault
2016-01-24 00:26:15	Gjum	weird that page isnt even in the Category:Minecraft Modern
2016-01-24 00:31:02	rom1504	hansihe: that's how it's implemented in java http://pastebin.com/niWTqLvk
2016-01-24 00:31:14	rom1504	translated in python https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit2/blob/master/src/mceditlib/pc/regionfile.py
2016-01-24 00:31:37	rom1504	and then in js https://github.com/PrismarineJS/prismarine-provider-anvil/blob/master/src/region.js
2016-01-24 00:31:42	rom1504	all the same class :D
2016-01-24 00:31:46	rom1504	copy/pasting ftw
2016-01-24 00:32:22	hansihe	haha, thanks :)
2016-01-24 00:35:21	Meeeh	yeach, it is great if you want kill your server.  for (int i = 0; i < SECTOR_INTS; ++i) {
2016-01-24 00:36:24	Meeeh	this same for Output streams, they should use BufferedOutputStream too
2016-01-24 00:41:27	rom1504	yeah I did that a bit smarter in js, I think that java code is a bit unoptimized indeed
2016-01-24 00:42:27	rom1504	I'd be interested by any other open source better optimized anvil implementation example though ;)
2016-01-24 00:43:06	Gjum	> java code is a bit unoptimized
2016-01-24 00:43:08	Gjum	when is it not
2016-01-24 00:44:27	Meeeh	still better than python and most of other languages like that :P
2016-01-24 00:46:16	Meeeh	I was playing around code from wiki and from glowstone, and at the end I created own one that looks simillar and I think it works good: https://github.com/Diorite/Diorite/blob/master/diorite-core/src/main/java/org/diorite/impl/world/io/anvil/AnvilRegion.java
2016-01-24 00:47:03	Meeeh	https://github.com/Diorite/Diorite/blob/master/diorite-core/src/main/java/org/diorite/impl/world/io/anvil/AnvilRegion.java#L264-L269 I'm idiot...
2016-01-24 00:47:47	Meeeh	I created key variable to don't calculate this same stuff few times and didn't used it xD
2016-01-24 00:48:29	Gjum	> java
2016-01-24 00:48:54	Gjum	it's less about the language implementation and more how code is written in it
2016-01-24 00:48:59	hansihe	lol
2016-01-24 00:49:40	Gjum	many java projects I come across have lots of these refactoring artefacts, more than any other language
2016-01-24 00:50:41	hansihe	i'm not a very big fan of java to be honest, it just feels bad to work with
2016-01-24 00:50:42	hansihe	idk
2016-01-24 00:51:07	Meeeh	nah, I love java for syntax
2016-01-24 00:51:20	hansihe	really?
2016-01-24 00:51:21	 *	Gjum dies
2016-01-24 00:51:30	Meeeh	I think that I will never find language that will not make my cry
2016-01-24 00:52:19	rom1504	one of the first language I used was c++, and it made me like OOP. And then some years ago I've started doing java, now I'm starting to dislike OOP :d
2016-01-24 00:52:26	Meeeh	Yes... I really like that simple standards, and it have many good sides, like every java IDE is full of refactoring options.
2016-01-24 00:52:52	Meeeh	for c++... near no refactoring options, only jetbrains is trying to create something usefull
2016-01-24 00:53:06	rom1504	yes but the real problem is
2016-01-24 00:53:11	rom1504	that you need refactoring in java
2016-01-24 00:53:16	Meeeh	python in just nightmare with all that indent.
2016-01-24 00:53:37	hansihe	i use vim for everything except java
2016-01-24 00:53:40	rom1504	you need a big tool that will generate tons of code and change tons of code, or you can't really write java
2016-01-24 00:53:42	hansihe	because in java i need an ide
2016-01-24 00:54:00	Gjum	the one single thing im missing in python is some form of typing
2016-01-24 00:54:06	Gjum	*type enforcement
2016-01-24 00:54:14	Meeeh	what is wrong with refactoring options?
2016-01-24 00:54:26	hansihe	that's on it's way in python, isn't it?
2016-01-24 00:54:33	rom1504	nothing wrong, what's wrong is that you need it Meeeh 
2016-01-24 00:54:37	Meeeh	renaming stuff, adding new param or extracting interface.
2016-01-24 00:55:00	Meeeh	yeach, it is bad that I want create interface.
2016-01-24 00:55:06	Gjum	hansihe: not really, it would prevent duck typing a lot, which is one of the core ideas behind python
2016-01-24 00:55:13	hansihe	i used to use oop for everything, i'm starting to dislike it more and more though
2016-01-24 00:55:13	Meeeh	in 1 sec instead of minute
2016-01-24 00:55:32	hansihe	hmm
2016-01-24 00:55:50	Meeeh	I don't see anything wrong with don't wasting time rom1504 
2016-01-24 00:56:48	rom1504	my point is you can do these kind of code refactor manually in little time in other languages. With java it takes too much time
2016-01-24 00:57:07	rom1504	(to do it manually)
2016-01-24 00:57:12	Meeeh	yeach, changing method name in 29472 files can be done in little time!
2016-01-24 00:57:20	Meeeh	places*
2016-01-24 00:57:23	Gjum	python is kinda upside-down, you can write perfectly well in notepad, but making your ide refactor code is hard without type enforcement/annotation and runtime dynamic changes
2016-01-24 00:57:32	rom1504	you don't have 29472 places in not-java
2016-01-24 00:57:46	Meeeh	oh, you always use your methods only once in other languages?
2016-01-24 00:58:04	rom1504	do you imagine that vanilla minecraft has one class for each and every minecraft packet ?
2016-01-24 00:58:08	Gjum	Meeeh: it's about specifying your type everywhere for example
2016-01-24 00:58:22	Meeeh	I hate languages without types :D
2016-01-24 00:58:40	rom1504	you can do types without being so verbose
2016-01-24 00:58:44	Meeeh	When I see some stuff like "auto name = ..." or "var x = 5" I want kill myself
2016-01-24 00:58:45	hansihe	the problem with java is that it's painfully oop
2016-01-24 00:58:46	Gjum	types can be as good as they can be bad
2016-01-24 00:58:50	hansihe	and without type inference
2016-01-24 00:58:54	rom1504	auto is typed Meeeh 
2016-01-24 00:59:03	Meeeh	but I don't see type
2016-01-24 00:59:03	hansihe	rust hits the sweet spot
2016-01-24 00:59:06	rom1504	but yes js has no type
2016-01-24 00:59:12	rom1504	c++ does though
2016-01-24 00:59:40	Gjum	I really like the way haskell/scala/... do it, you specify some types and it guesses the others, making it strong typing but not a pain in the ass like in java/C/...
2016-01-24 00:59:42	rom1504	nothing as strong as some other languages, but a bit better than java actually (on that point)
2016-01-24 01:00:07	Meeeh	rust don't have visible types too. (you can only add it like let : type, but this still is pain for me)
2016-01-24 01:00:21	hansihe	haskell has the best type system, i don't think it would be possible to port it to imperative languages though
2016-01-24 01:00:44	hansihe	what do you mean rust doesn't have visible types?
2016-01-24 01:00:53	Meeeh	let x = 5;
2016-01-24 01:01:00	hansihe	that's type inference
2016-01-24 01:01:12	Meeeh	and you don't see what type this is....
2016-01-24 01:01:14	Gjum	that's inference and it's good you don't have to specify it there
2016-01-24 01:01:18	hansihe	you do
2016-01-24 01:01:26	hansihe	it's obvious
2016-01-24 01:01:28	Meeeh	ok
2016-01-24 01:01:34	hansihe	adding a type there is just noise
2016-01-24 01:01:35	Meeeh	let x = someFunctionFromLibrary();
2016-01-24 01:01:45	hansihe	then you would add a type
2016-01-24 01:01:50	rom1504	Meeeh: java8 has type inference :)
2016-01-24 01:01:55	Gjum	or you wouldnt if you just pass it along
2016-01-24 01:01:56	rom1504	(some of it)
2016-01-24 01:02:25	Gjum	c++ has too, right? that auto keyword?
2016-01-24 01:02:44	rom1504	list.stream().map(a -> a+1).collect(Collectors.toList())
2016-01-24 01:02:45	Meeeh	and I just don't like this stuff :D I like to know types when I scrolling code
2016-01-24 01:02:55	rom1504	Gjum: yeah and along with lambdas
2016-01-24 01:03:07	hansihe	different tastes i guess
2016-01-24 01:03:11	Gjum	^
2016-01-24 01:03:14	Meeeh	especially after few weeks without looking at code
2016-01-24 01:03:32	Meeeh	it just faster/easier to see what is going on
2016-01-24 01:03:36	Gjum	I just hate reading types 2-3 times where it's trivially obvious what they are
2016-01-24 01:04:02	Gjum	which java forces you to do
2016-01-24 01:04:21	hansihe	it makes editing code take up a larger amount of my time
2016-01-24 01:04:29	Gjum	haskell still allows you to say what type something is, just doesn't force you
2016-01-24 01:04:32	Meeeh	this is why people created IDE
2016-01-24 01:04:55	hansihe	i don't want to learn a new ide for every language i use though..
2016-01-24 01:04:57	Meeeh	someMethod().var <enter>
2016-01-24 01:05:26	hansihe	the way haskell does it is really cool, yeah
2016-01-24 01:05:29	Meeeh	then try to use IDEs on this same engine :P like jetbrains stuff
2016-01-24 01:05:34	rom1504	Gjum: actually it does sometimes, haskell type system is a bit too powerful to be able infer everything (unlike ocaml for example)
2016-01-24 01:05:43	rom1504	(but just sometimes)
2016-01-24 01:05:46	Gjum	I really like the idea of writing code in terms of the AST instead of plain text
2016-01-24 01:06:06	Gjum	but even intellij isnt that far
2016-01-24 01:07:00	rom1504	I agree jetbrains ide make writing code easier in java
2016-01-24 01:07:02	rom1504	but then
2016-01-24 01:07:02	Meeeh	acctually I can live with something like "auto" in c++, where I can do "Type obj = ..." or "auto obj = ..." but not like in rust
2016-01-24 01:07:03	hansihe	i use intellij for java, yeah, it's a nice ide
2016-01-24 01:07:15	Meeeh	when I always need use "let" and then I can add type.
2016-01-24 01:07:15	rom1504	you have 10k lines of code (partially generated by the ide)
2016-01-24 01:07:21	rom1504	and you're done
2016-01-24 01:07:27	rom1504	or I am done anyway :d
2016-01-24 01:07:54	hansihe	i would rather have the boilerplate generated by the compiler, not the ide :P
2016-01-24 01:08:01	Gjum	^
2016-01-24 01:08:07	hansihe	the java hate :P
2016-01-24 01:09:01	Gjum	some concepts are bad. languages based on that concept inherit that, until they add good concepts.
2016-01-24 01:09:11	Meeeh	nah, idk, I just like that java syntax and how it looks, ofc there are java parts that I hate...
2016-01-24 01:09:29	hansihe	the syntax is the part of java that i hate the most
2016-01-24 01:09:39	Meeeh	like no primitive generics, etc
2016-01-24 01:09:48	Meeeh	or eating memory :P
2016-01-24 01:09:57	hansihe	also, nulls in java are horrific...
2016-01-24 01:10:01	Gjum	 thats how the vm works though
2016-01-24 01:10:08	Meeeh	what is bat with nulla? o.O
2016-01-24 01:10:11	Meeeh	bad xD
2016-01-24 01:10:26	hansihe	NullPointerException
2016-01-24 01:10:31	hansihe	is bad with nulls :P
2016-01-24 01:10:45	Meeeh	Gjum, but java compared to other vm stuff in 99% of test is much worse. (memory case)
2016-01-24 01:10:58	hansihe	null makes every single one of your variables into an enum
2016-01-24 01:11:13	hansihe	and you need to explicitly handle both cases
2016-01-24 01:11:20	Meeeh	hansihe, but... eem...... what then... it must do something
2016-01-24 01:11:25	Meeeh	if value is null
2016-01-24 01:11:35	rom1504	java8 has optional
2016-01-24 01:11:50	hansihe	Meeeh: simple, value can't be null
2016-01-24 01:12:10	hansihe	if you need to return nothing, make the enum explicit instead of implicit
2016-01-24 01:12:31	Meeeh	hansihe, but how? compiler can't say if something is null
2016-01-24 01:12:34	hansihe	rust does that, types need to have a value unless they are an Option
2016-01-24 01:12:39	hansihe	it can...
2016-01-24 01:13:07	Meeeh	return random.nextBoolean() ? null : object
2016-01-24 01:13:10	Meeeh	yeach, sure
2016-01-24 01:13:19	hansihe	if you simply enforce the rule that you can't assign null to a variable
2016-01-24 01:13:43	Meeeh	notNull Object e = myRandomFunction();
2016-01-24 01:13:50	hansihe	then the compiler can enforce it via static analysis, without any runtime cost
2016-01-24 01:13:51	Meeeh	and how compiler may know if it will be null or not.
2016-01-24 01:14:14	hansihe	oh, you mean in java?
2016-01-24 01:14:17	Gjum	typing!
2016-01-24 01:14:39	Meeeh	in any language... compiler may only know that variable may be null.
2016-01-24 01:14:48	Meeeh	but it can't be sure that it always be.
2016-01-24 01:14:53	hansihe	it can!
2016-01-24 01:14:58	Gjum	modulus can never return null for example, so why make it possible
2016-01-24 01:15:22	Meeeh	then we can also throw compile error for "notNull Object e = myRandomFunction();"
2016-01-24 01:15:26	Meeeh	as it can return null
2016-01-24 01:15:26	hansihe	if it enforces the rule that null cannot be assigned to a varable unless the variable is explicitly marked to be nullable
2016-01-24 01:15:46	hansihe	then the compiler can propagate that information via the type system
2016-01-24 01:16:05	hansihe	and enforce the rule in the same way it enforces that a String is not int
2016-01-24 01:16:07	Meeeh	so then it works like I said
2016-01-24 01:16:13	Meeeh	notNull Object e = myRandomFunction();
2016-01-24 01:16:16	Meeeh	will throw compile error
2016-01-24 01:16:39	Meeeh	as compiler see that it can return null
2016-01-24 01:17:04	hansihe	sure, but that would be a really bad way to do it
2016-01-24 01:17:39	Meeeh	why bad?
2016-01-24 01:17:47	hansihe	because that would be opt-in
2016-01-24 01:18:09	hansihe	it would require you to type extra stuff to mark something as not-nullable
2016-01-24 01:18:23	hansihe	it should be the other way around, as that is the base case
2016-01-24 01:18:40	Meeeh	nah, there is no "best case" here
2016-01-24 01:18:48	hansihe	base case
2016-01-24 01:19:23	Meeeh	or "base" :D, some people will want nullable as def, and some not-nullable as default.
2016-01-24 01:19:26	hansihe	as in type+null is more information then type
2016-01-24 01:20:47	hansihe	the only reason you would want nullable by default is if you want to get in trouble :P
2016-01-24 01:21:21	Meeeh	that nullable stuff is even something that I would like to see in Java
2016-01-24 01:22:17	Meeeh	nah, I wanted to make games or maybe more game server and I learned java instead of some cpp shit. Why this cpp looks so bad :D
2016-01-24 01:23:47	hansihe	but you do have to agree that having to reason about a value that is EITHER <type> or null in every single location in your code is harder then just having to reason about <type>
2016-01-24 01:23:55	Meeeh	Reading source of program, see "GSTNS" type, looking for type - no type with this name, oh it is just int as #def GSTNS! this just make my cry.
2016-01-24 01:23:57	hansihe	it's more stuff to think about :P
2016-01-24 01:24:15	hansihe	haha
2016-01-24 01:25:38	Meeeh	this will make some stuff simpler, but still... it will also add some more work in other side
2016-01-24 01:26:31	Meeeh	if I have variable that can be null, and I need pass it to non-null param of method, then I need check it, but I think it will be less work than always checking all stuff
2016-01-24 01:26:42	hansihe	it will, but the extra second you used when wrapping your type in an Option will save you hours of fixing NullPointerExceptions
2016-01-24 01:27:17	hansihe	you are thinking about this wrong
2016-01-24 01:27:36	Meeeh	ugh, what?
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2016-01-24 01:27:53	Meeeh	I mean that I need check if it is null before I pass it
2016-01-24 01:27:53	hansihe	in order to have a correct program, you would need to check the variable that could be null regardless
2016-01-24 01:28:07	hansihe	calling that optional is asking for trouble
2016-01-24 01:28:33	hansihe	so you are dropping a compile time guarantee without any benefits
2016-01-24 01:28:47	kamcio96	hello, I propably found bug on wiki.vg
2016-01-24 01:29:11	Meeeh	nah, java Optionals... I don't like them :D
2016-01-24 01:29:11	kamcio96	http://wiki.vg/Entities#Living_Entity, there is LivingEntity support custom name
2016-01-24 01:29:35	kamcio96	but eg Item also support this, ss: http://scr.hu/1s1h/592zd
2016-01-24 01:29:43	Meeeh	at least in 1.9 every entity support that
2016-01-24 01:29:46	hansihe	that's because java has a type system that can have nullable values! :p
2016-01-24 01:29:46	Meeeh	idk what about 1.8
2016-01-24 01:30:07	kamcio96	im using mc 1.8
2016-01-24 01:31:04	Meeeh	then it is possible that it works for any entity from always :D test something like fireball
2016-01-24 01:31:11	hansihe	huh
2016-01-24 01:31:24	Gjum	I believe that page is updated manually, so errors like these are very possible
2016-01-24 01:33:08	hansihe	Meeeh: if you would like a taste of how java could be without nullable types, look at https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/null-safety.html
2016-01-24 01:33:14	hansihe	it runs on the jvm as well
2016-01-24 01:33:33	Gjum	are scala types nullable?
2016-01-24 01:33:49	hansihe	think so
2016-01-24 01:34:01	Meeeh	hansihe, yeach, this looks good, ofc "val" make me cry, but null stuff looks good
2016-01-24 01:34:06	rom1504	just use java8 Optional type, and pretend it burns when you try to write "null"
2016-01-24 01:34:38	Meeeh	yeach, and you can still pass null as optional, and you need play around .get etc
2016-01-24 01:35:10	rom1504	"play around .get" : no you shouldn't do that
2016-01-24 01:35:14	rom1504	use .map
2016-01-24 01:35:51	Meeeh	nah, I want to see really big real-time app with Optionals and with manual code, I think that JIT isn't good enough to make performance difference invsisible.
2016-01-24 01:36:23	hansihe	optionals are not a runtime feature
2016-01-24 01:36:24	Meeeh	rom1504, then you have problems that every variable needs to be final, you can't return, etc... :D
2016-01-24 01:36:28	hansihe	they are compile time in most languages
2016-01-24 01:36:45	Meeeh	hansihe, I mean java Optional class
2016-01-24 01:37:07	hansihe	yeah, in java it's runtime
2016-01-24 01:37:45	hansihe	however that's gonna get inlined immediately
2016-01-24 01:38:06	hansihe	so you are not gonna lose any performance, it's gonna be just as expensive as a null check
2016-01-24 01:38:07	Meeeh	so it may affect performance, but it is near impossible to create good benchmark for this.
2016-01-24 01:38:29	hansihe	if the code is hot the jvm will inline it
2016-01-24 01:38:35	rom1504	"every variable needs to be final" oh yes immutability :)
2016-01-24 01:38:50	rom1504	(okay not exactly, those are still references)
2016-01-24 01:39:00	hansihe	regardless, the performance impact would be minimal at worst
2016-01-24 01:39:03	rom1504	you can use .orElse at the end though
2016-01-24 01:39:26	hansihe	i think i'm done now :P
2016-01-24 01:41:02	Meeeh	nah, it just more problems than benefits, playing around that stuff, and stupid people can still pass null as optional :<
2016-01-24 01:43:16	Meeeh	nah, 1:40, time to sleep :< I still need finish my small plugin in 22 hours and I didn't even start....
2016-01-24 01:43:25	hansihe	from now on you will think of me every time you have a nullpointerexception
2016-01-24 01:43:28	hansihe	you are cursed :P
2016-01-24 01:43:54	hansihe	good night!
2016-01-24 01:44:44	Meeeh	hah :D I will never find good language for me :P ok, bye.
2016-01-24 01:52:24	kamcio96	minecarts don't support custom anem
2016-01-24 01:52:36	kamcio96	but boat do xD
2016-01-24 01:52:44	hansihe	weird
2016-01-24 01:54:25	hansihe	anyone know how metadata encoding and decoding works in the vanilla client/server?
2016-01-24 01:54:52	hansihe	some kind of runtime/reflection stuff?
2016-01-24 01:55:04	kamcio96	crystal, tnt, also support it
2016-01-24 01:55:08	kamcio96	entoty metadata?
2016-01-24 01:55:11	kamcio96	entity*
2016-01-24 01:55:25	hansihe	yeah, that's how the name is being sent
2016-01-24 01:55:55	kamcio96	http://wiki.vg/Entities#Entity_Metadata_Format hmm?
2016-01-24 01:55:55	hansihe	it's some weird dictionary format with inheritance
2016-01-24 01:55:58	hansihe	yeah
2016-01-24 01:56:53	rom1504	hansihe: I think you should just implement the general format, and add the values thingy as a second step
2016-01-24 01:57:08	rom1504	that's what we do anyway
2016-01-24 01:57:11	hansihe	i'm done with the general format
2016-01-24 01:57:28	hansihe	yeah, i will probably do the same
2016-01-24 01:58:08	hansihe	i'm just curious as to how it's done in vanilla
2016-01-24 01:58:34	rom1504	I'm currently trying to extract all the table in the entities page and put them in a decent json format. But first I have to handle colspan/rowspan fully in wiki tables, and that's being a pain ^^
2016-01-24 01:58:40	rom1504	idk how vanilla does it
2016-01-24 01:58:44	rom1504	but you're probably right
2016-01-24 01:58:54	hansihe	it seems very reflection-y
2016-01-24 01:58:54	rom1504	vanilla does everything by adding lot of classes
2016-01-24 01:59:11	hansihe	the java way :P
2016-01-24 02:00:59	hansihe	i wonder when the obfuscated class names will reach triple letters
2016-01-24 02:02:42	rom1504	already there
2016-01-24 02:02:45	rom1504	azu.java
2016-01-24 02:03:16	rom1504	1200 classes
2016-01-24 02:03:56	hansihe	holy fuck
2016-01-24 02:06:13	kashike	1263
2016-01-24 02:20:31	+ammar2	meh at least they don't have enough classes and methods that they need to patch the underyling the jvm to actually let thier code run https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/under-the-hood-dalvik-patch-for-facebook-for-android/10151345597798920/
2016-01-24 02:24:03	rom15043	Omg
2016-01-24 02:27:31	hansihe	"Manual inspection of the GSII revealed that the LinearAlloc buffer was only 4 bytes from where we expected it, so we adjusted our code to look a few bytes to each side if it failed to find the LinearAlloc buffer in the expected location."
2016-01-24 02:48:01	Gjum	__0x277F: um, yaw is rotation around the *vertical* axis, not horizontal. the head moves on the "horizontal plane". ;)
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2016-01-24 03:12:24	hansihe	rom15043: in materials.json, what is the value used for?
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2016-01-24 07:53:58	rom15043	hansihe: tool multipliers, they are useful to compute the digging times https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/issues/22#issuecomment-171660303
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2016-01-24 21:51:41	hansihe	world generation is full of voodoo
2016-01-24 21:52:20	hansihe	looking at some mods, trying to figure it out, the code quality is absolute shit
2016-01-24 21:52:36	hansihe	expensive things are calculated, then never used
2016-01-24 21:52:41	hansihe	dead code everywhere
2016-01-24 21:56:49	Gjum	hansihe: do you just want to get something going better than flat that looks good on a demo, or do you want to go full vanilla-ish worldgen with caves and ores and stuff?
2016-01-24 21:57:16	hansihe	i'm looking at full vanilla level right now
2016-01-24 21:57:28	hansihe	figuring out biomes atm
2016-01-24 21:57:30	Gjum	ok cool
2016-01-24 21:57:42	Gjum	something more custom or close to vanilla?
2016-01-24 21:57:50	hansihe	gonna try to do a well documented implementation if i can
2016-01-24 21:58:07	hansihe	vanilla-ish, but i'm not gonna go for 100% equal
2016-01-24 21:58:15	hansihe	just the same ballpark i think
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2016-01-25 00:02:13	hansihe	well i tried :P https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LLN5rto9/biomes.png
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2016-01-25 00:03:33	rom1504	what is that oO
2016-01-25 00:03:49	rom1504	biome repartition ?
2016-01-25 00:06:42	hansihe	working on world generation
2016-01-25 00:06:53	hansihe	that's supposed to be a biome map
2016-01-25 00:07:00	hansihe	it's work in progress :P
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2016-01-25 00:16:55	hansihe	yeah, i think that's a dead end
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2016-01-25 00:47:41	hansihe	this looks more promising, just needs some tweaking https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7DVCy8w2/biomes.png
2016-01-25 00:48:23	Gjum	hansihe: what do you use for pseudorandom generation?
2016-01-25 00:48:40	hansihe	simplex noise mainly
2016-01-25 00:48:51	hansihe	in the second one i used voronoi noise as well
2016-01-25 00:50:47	hansihe	i sample the noise function twice with different seeds, once for temperature, once for humidity
2016-01-25 00:51:15	rom15043	No idea how vanilla's look like
2016-01-25 00:51:22	hansihe	then i look it up on a whittaker chart
2016-01-25 00:52:34	Gjum	rom15043: like this http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/025/631/39/N000/000/000/134874529503013129089.jpg
2016-01-25 00:52:58	hansihe	that's a bit old though i think
2016-01-25 00:53:28	hansihe	i think in later versions the oceans are smaller
2016-01-25 00:53:51	hansihe	https://media.mojang.com/e834c2ebb05f63b79c814904b55e8b0106a6db75/overviewMap_new.png
2016-01-25 00:53:54	hansihe	that's 1.7
2016-01-25 00:53:59	Gjum	yeah this one is more recent, having the biome variations etc http://media-minecraftforum.cursecdn.com/attachments/80/374/635582134574105219.png
2016-01-25 00:54:16	rom15043	http://www.zdnet.com/article/minecrafts-new-education-edition-written-in-c-will-outrun-the-java-version/ someone tell me they are talking about mcpe and not yet an other Minecraft version
2016-01-25 00:54:26	hansihe	yeah, that one is better as well
2016-01-25 00:54:58	hansihe	i sure as hell hope so
2016-01-25 00:55:43	Gjum	"extends win10 version"
2016-01-25 00:57:37	Gjum	"In the future, however, it seems likely that most Minecraft players will learn the new C++ version first" 
2016-01-25 00:57:53	hansihe	still need to figure out how to do oceans, i bootlegged a ocean value function thing from a mod, but it gave me this thing https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GRLBCA0T/biomes.png
2016-01-25 00:57:56	 *	Gjum doesnt just "play" minecraft, he "learns" it
2016-01-25 00:58:22	Gjum	hansihe: looks more like islands
2016-01-25 00:58:32	hansihe	it does
2016-01-25 00:58:59	hansihe	but it's not very helpful either, only outputs borders
2016-01-25 00:59:27	Gjum	what about a very low-freq landmass height noise, and putting ocean where it's below a certain level
2016-01-25 01:00:01	hansihe	that's problematic when it comes to biomes though
2016-01-25 01:00:08	Gjum	well it really depends how realistic you want it to be, whittaker sounds like youre going very realistic
2016-01-25 01:00:20	hansihe	hmm
2016-01-25 01:00:46	Gjum	did you consider a general/local blur?
2016-01-25 01:01:22	hansihe	then i would have to sample multiple points
2016-01-25 01:01:46	hansihe	idk, that might be how minecraft does it
2016-01-25 01:01:51	rom15043	I want to do "generation" by using openstreetmap data, that would be awesome :)
2016-01-25 01:02:11	hansihe	oh, that would be really cool
2016-01-25 01:02:19	Gjum	generating streets and subways and stuff? :D
2016-01-25 01:02:56	rom15043	Reading it and transforming it to mc chunks would be nice
2016-01-25 01:03:08	hansihe	you could do it on the fly as well
2016-01-25 01:03:19	rom15043	Yeah
2016-01-25 01:03:42	Gjum	btw where does fs's terrain gen live?
2016-01-25 01:04:31	rom15043	It recently moved there https://github.com/PrismarineJS/diamond-square/blob/master/diamond_square.js
2016-01-25 01:04:55	Gjum	ah, thanks
2016-01-25 01:05:30	rom15043	(Because I needed it for prismarine-world out of flying-squid, for prismarine-world-voxel)
2016-01-25 01:05:49	hansihe	i thought i saw a screenshot of the terrain it generated, where was it?
2016-01-25 01:06:14	Gjum	any recent fs screenshot pretty much
2016-01-25 01:06:41	rom15043	Err voxel-prismarine-world  https://github.com/rom1504/voxel-prismarine-world
2016-01-25 01:07:49	rom15043	Stuff in http://download.rom1504.fr/minecraft hansihe
2016-01-25 01:09:00	hansihe	ah, thanks
2016-01-25 01:09:10	hansihe	yeah, that's nice flatland terrain
2016-01-25 01:10:32	rom15043	It's very basic though, it's quite possible to do better
2016-01-25 01:12:55	hansihe	my world generator attempt (emphasis on attempt) will be in rust, it would be easily usable from both js and java
2016-01-25 01:22:46	rom15043	Might be interesting. I think if I were to use it I would keep it at arm length by putting it in an other process and communicating with it over the (local) network. Using native modules directly usually ends badly for windows users in js
2016-01-25 01:23:52	rom15043	I'd be quite interested by the code of it anyway
2016-01-25 01:25:16	hansihe	Yeah that's fair
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2016-01-25 01:57:56	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] deathcap 2824714 - Add release name -> protocol version numbers Based on http://wiki.vg/Protocol_version_numbers pbpaste|awk '{print "\""$1"\": "$2","}' > protocolVersions.js
2016-01-25 01:57:58	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] deathcap b27ffda - Add pre-Netty protocol versions as negative These are in a different namespace, see http://wiki.vg/Protocol_version_numbers#Versions_before_the_Netty_rewrite
2016-01-25 01:57:59	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] deathcap e46ef9a - Add release name -> major version mapping Based on protocolVersions.js, but mapping to the "major" version instead. This matches the sets of versions used by minecraft-data.
2016-01-25 01:58:00	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] ... and 3 more commits.
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2016-01-25 20:49:12	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/compare/aacbdaffa963...be607b64ae73
2016-01-25 20:49:14	Not-b656	[minecraft-data] rom1504 be607b6 - add schema for protocolVersions, and add it in the readme
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2016-01-25 21:51:12	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/7f7f95ea832b...ab35d25872d5
2016-01-25 21:51:14	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] Corgano 0fc7d0a - Corrected multi_block_change Corrected multi_block_change to use packet.records.length
2016-01-25 21:51:15	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 ab35d25 - Merge pull request #364 from Corgano/patch-1 Corrected multi_block_change
2016-01-25 22:04:02	hansihe	well, now we're cooking with gas https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VhjRPM3s/test.png
2016-01-25 22:15:33	Gjum	hansihe: looking good, what is it used for?
2016-01-25 22:15:47	hansihe	that's a landmass map
2016-01-25 22:16:52	Gjum	so white is ocean?
2016-01-25 22:17:01	hansihe	the system i'm bootlegging is composable though, easily used for other things
2016-01-25 22:17:03	hansihe	yeah
2016-01-25 22:17:43	hansihe	i know there is too much ocean, that should be easy to fix
2016-01-25 22:19:11	Gjum	not necessarily too much, just too evenly distributed
2016-01-25 22:19:57	hansihe	hmm
2016-01-25 22:19:59	Gjum	use the power of fractal geometry to have both oceans and landmasses of any size
2016-01-25 22:20:16	hansihe	this is somewhat fractal geometry
2016-01-25 22:20:31	hansihe	i think this is the method minecraft uses
2016-01-25 22:20:49	hansihe	with different parameters of course
2016-01-25 22:20:55	Gjum	sure
2016-01-25 22:21:16	hansihe	i'll continue working on it
2016-01-25 22:21:20	rom1504	oh btw, I recently tried mcpe and looked for mines and villages. Didn't find any. mcpe generation is way behind mcpc one right ?
2016-01-25 22:21:37	rom1504	or mcpe population anyway
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2016-01-25 22:22:23	rom1504	s/mines/caves/
2016-01-25 22:22:37	hansihe	huh
2016-01-25 22:23:12	rom1504	it has biomes though
2016-01-25 22:24:43	hansihe	turned the ocean knob from 10 to 2 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Wz6rWxgg/test.png
2016-01-25 22:25:13	rom1504	seems reasonable
2016-01-25 22:25:28	Gjum	yaaah looks really like vanilla biomes now
2016-01-25 22:26:26	Gjum	heh, switching between them looks revealing
2016-01-25 22:26:53	hansihe	ohh, yeah, didn't notice that
2016-01-25 22:26:58	hansihe	it's the same seed, yes
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2016-01-26 12:09:15	barneygale	hansihe, looks like old-style generation to me (lots of small seas)
2016-01-26 12:10:25	hansihe	i added another pass to add additional islands in the oceans, that might be more right
2016-01-26 12:12:09	barneygale	this is your elixir/rust implementation right?
2016-01-26 12:12:39	Not-24d4	[Charge] Wallbraker pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/VoltLang/Charge/compare/5d1f890f1483...20eb73c4e015
2016-01-26 12:12:41	Not-24d4	[Charge] Wallbraker 20eb73c - charge: Cast to void*
2016-01-26 12:12:57	hansihe	well, it's for that, but i'm implementing the world generation in a separate rust crate
2016-01-26 12:13:07	hansihe	so that it's usable from other things as well
2016-01-26 12:51:57	barneygale	neat
2016-01-26 12:52:15	barneygale	i vaguely started learning rust, need to get back into it
2016-01-26 13:01:02	hansihe	it's really good once you get used to the semantics
2016-01-26 13:01:34	hansihe	in the beginning you really wrestle with the compiler, when you learn it it's very pleasant
2016-01-26 14:01:51	Fenhl	hansihe: oh, a separate crate for world gen? Would it be possible for Hematite to use it as well?
2016-01-26 14:15:20	hansihe	Fenhl: sure! you one of the devs?
2016-01-26 14:15:31	Fenhl	yes
2016-01-26 14:15:45	hansihe	what do you have for world gen right now?
2016-01-26 14:16:21	Fenhl	nothing, the server doesn't really do much yet
2016-01-26 14:17:26	Fenhl	right now we just send a single chunk column of cobble at spawn, but we don't even process block break events yet
2016-01-26 14:19:00	hansihe	right
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2016-01-26 21:10:20	i74578	Hi, i have been trying to explorer the minecraft protocol. I found this : http://wiki.vg/Protocol , about the minecraft protocol. This says that e.g. the respawn packet has "Packet ID 0x07". When i e.g. use wireshark how do i see the packet ID?
2016-01-26 21:11:29	Gjum	i74578: the packets get compressed and encrypted, so it's not directly possible to see the ID. although I have heard that some use a wireshark extension for something ...
2016-01-26 21:12:12	i74578	Do u have any idea what the extension is called ?
2016-01-26 21:12:56	Gjum	(specifically this table says the packet ID is compressed: http://wiki.vg/Protocol#With_compression)
2016-01-26 21:13:26	Gjum	no but if you wait a bit, maybe someone will answer
2016-01-26 21:14:12	+Fador	I think I saw some wireshark extension years ago but it was already outdated back then =/
2016-01-26 21:14:34	+Fador	and if encryption is used, it doesn't help much anyway..
2016-01-26 21:14:56	i74578	Do u know if the packet from client to server is encrypted? or is it encrypted both ways?
2016-01-26 21:15:10	Gjum	i74578: there are also several proxies you can use to look at packets
2016-01-26 21:15:17	Gjum	yes, both ways
2016-01-26 21:15:38	Gjum	http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
2016-01-26 21:17:36	Gjum	i74578: the only proxy I have used, but it is maintained and works well: https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-protocol/blob/master/examples/proxy/proxy.js
2016-01-26 21:19:09	i74578	Strange, do i have to run it on a website? or what program can i use to run it?
2016-01-26 21:19:47	Gjum	you need nodejs for that
2016-01-26 21:31:13	i74578	how to i run node-minecraft-protocol from node-js, i can't find a way to navigate in nodeJS ?
2016-01-26 21:38:11	hansihe	nodejs is a command line tool
2016-01-26 21:38:25	hansihe	you do 'node <file>' to run it
2016-01-26 21:38:44	hansihe	though you probably need to install dependencies first
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2016-01-27 19:19:03	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/ab35d25872d5...530cc0fc376a
2016-01-27 19:19:05	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 530cc0f - Merge pull request #366 from PrismarineJS/remove_chat_filter remove chat filter
2016-01-27 19:19:15	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 deleted branch remove_chat_filter
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2016-01-28 08:33:13	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer/compare/530cc0fc376a...66273c50a387
2016-01-28 08:33:15	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] Cecer 7bc78bc - Add extra tolerance for malformed sign packets.
2016-01-28 08:33:16	Not-24d4	[mineflayer] rom1504 66273c5 - Merge pull request #367 from Cecer/patch-1 Add extra tolerance for malformed sign packets.
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2016-01-28 09:15:57	Z750	zml: do you still maintain the AUR yourkit package?
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2016-01-28 18:11:25	zml	Z750: yeah, version bump wanted?
2016-01-28 18:20:00	zml	version has been bumped
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2016-01-28 18:48:34	Z750	zml: thanks :)
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2016-01-29 05:15:52	Not-b656	[SpockBot] gamingrobot pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/SpockBotMC/SpockBot/compare/e747ea8870a4...53175db9b7e3
2016-01-29 05:15:54	Not-b656	[SpockBot] gamingrobot 53175db - Add projects using spockbot section to readme
2016-01-29 05:17:04	Not-b656	[SpockBot] gamingrobot pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/SpockBotMC/SpockBot/compare/53175db9b7e3...8d1e2f7e7f67
2016-01-29 05:17:05	Not-b656	[SpockBot] gamingrobot 8d1e2f7 - rst is hard
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2016-01-29 12:06:14	+Thinkofname	Grum: in (what we call) NetworkManager, why is a concurrent queue guarded with a lock?
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2016-01-29 16:07:32	OnlyQubes	Hello, i am running into some decompression error and can't found whats wrong, so maybe you can guys help me. So the problem: I get a packet with the whole packet size of 14441, but when i read a VarInt from it (to get its uncompressed size), i get the value 55. The compression is already set and the threshold of compression is 256.
2016-01-29 16:10:00	OnlyQubes	Is something special need to be done with compression with big packets? :?
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2016-01-29 16:19:22	OnlyQubes	Okay the problem might be with my varint reading function, because of this maybe http://a.pomf.cat/gmgcdm.png
2016-01-29 16:30:52	rom15043	Sounds like this is an uncompressed packet
2016-01-29 16:35:54	OnlyQubes	Can they actually send uncompressed packets, when the compression packet is sent?
2016-01-29 16:46:55	rom15043	Yes
2016-01-29 16:47:32	rom15043	Hmm
2016-01-29 16:47:37	OnlyQubes	Do you know how to determine that?
2016-01-29 16:47:47	rom15043	Well you'd get a packet length of 0
2016-01-29 16:48:07	OnlyQubes	ahh yeah, but i get a lenght if 55 or something low like that
2016-01-29 16:48:24	rom15043	Yeah of course if your varint decoding is wrong, stuff won't work
2016-01-29 16:48:24	OnlyQubes	the whole packet lenght is like 30k+ and the uncompressed lenght is ~50
2016-01-29 16:48:44	nickelpro	http://wiki.vg/Protocol#With_compression
2016-01-29 16:48:47	OnlyQubes	Yeah but it gets it okay for everything else okay, just the big numbers i think
2016-01-29 16:49:24	rom15043	Well unit test it for big numbers
2016-01-29 16:49:41	rom15043	Or anyway check
2016-01-29 16:50:12	rom15043	Are you using a language where nobody implemented varint?
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2016-01-29 16:50:29	OnlyQubes	im doing it in c#
2016-01-29 16:50:35	OnlyQubes	i found the varint code online
2016-01-29 16:51:12	OnlyQubes	Here it is: http://a.pomf.cat/qcbqht.png