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2015-12-07 01:44:07	nickelpro	Videogamer555: lol wtf, varints are trivial to implement. Go read Google's ridiculously comprehensive C implementation then adapt it to MC Varints. MC uses 32-bit signed ints packed into varints, so you can just uses a 32-bit signed int to read into. Read the TCP stream one byte at a time, mask the highest bit, and bit shift seven bits into your destination int
2015-12-07 01:46:09	Videogamer555	How do I re-sync though? If I do it one byte at a time, how do I know that the byte I'm reading is actually part of the VarInt, or if it somehow skipped a couple bytes and ended up reading the PacketID instead. How do I cause my program to recognize it's no longer in a VarInt, and has lost sync with where it should be?
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2015-12-07 01:48:48	nickelpro	If the highest bit is 0, you're reading the last byte of the varint. 
2015-12-07 01:50:14	Videogamer555	Unfortunately there's no resync packet (or at least the protocol documentation doesn't list one). If there was one, it would be trivial to resync. If it was getting data it didn't expect, it could just kick itself into a "wait for resync" mode, and then only respond when the resync packet (a packet of a specific length and holding a very specific pattern of bytes) was detected. This would...
2015-12-07 01:50:15	Videogamer555	...allow it to recover if my program was for example too slow to respond to the TCP stream in real-time, and lost its place in the TCP stream.
2015-12-07 01:50:59	nickelpro	Resync is irrelevant, this is TCP. Resync is for UDP lockstep RTS
2015-12-07 01:51:26	nickelpro	And too slow to respond? Basically impossible, MC sends barely any traffic 
2015-12-07 01:52:31	nickelpro	The only packet you're obligated to respond to is keepalive and you just reflect it
2015-12-07 01:55:32	nickelpro	Here is C I wrote to decode minecraft varints from a buffer into an int, its 10 lines long with error checking. Other languages will be simpler https://github.com/nickelpro/cspock/blob/master/src/mcp/datautils.c#L91 
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2015-12-07 01:58:35	nickelpro	Videogamer555_: http://pastebin.com/NgMj0Eei
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2015-12-07 01:58:53	nickelpro	Get a bouncer dude
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2015-12-07 02:24:33	barneygale_	Videogamer555, python impl, again without error checking https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/blob/master/quarry/utils/buffer.py#L130-L141
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2015-12-07 07:53:44	Fenhl	Videogamer555: fix your connection please, your constant disconnects and reconnects are spamming the channel
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2015-12-07 13:07:06	Videogamer555	Ok, I've got a lot working including (I think) VarInt encoding and decoding. Based on my undestanding of how VarInts work, I've created what seems to be a working encoder and decoder. The decoder puts out a value that matches the input to the encoder, when the output of the encoder is fed into the decoder.
2015-12-07 13:07:14	Videogamer555	But I have a problem.
2015-12-07 13:08:05	Videogamer555	The BlockChange packet only works correctly for some values of Block ID and Block Data.
2015-12-07 13:12:17	Videogamer555	As you can see in the protocol specs http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol#Block_Change this packet is supposed to combine the BlockID and BlockData into a single field. According to this specification, you shift the actual BlockID is supposed to be shifted left 4 times and then ORed with the BlockData. And then the result of this is supposed to be fed into a VarInt. Now the combining of...
2015-12-07 13:12:18	Videogamer555	...these fields is simple. It's simply DataAndID = BlockID * 16 + BlockData. The result of this is then supposed to be fed into the VarInt encoder, and so far my program does exactly that.
2015-12-07 13:16:32	Videogamer555	The problem is what happens AFTER this, in the Minecraft client itself. It appears that even though the output of my VarInt encoder is a proper VarInt, Minecraft is not decoding it properly. For example, when the BlockID is in the 0 to 7 range, Minecraft decodes it properly. However for any value 8 or larger, Minecraft doesn't decode it properly. For example BlockID 9 is supposed to be...
2015-12-07 13:16:33	Videogamer555	...Water, but instead I'm getting Sandstone Stairs.
2015-12-07 13:17:33	Videogamer555	Here's the Pastebin link with my Visual Basic code for the VarInt encoder http://pastebin.com/Tw1wnKdm
2015-12-07 13:17:49	Videogamer555	Please check that out, and let me know where I'm going wrong.
2015-12-07 13:21:23	Videogamer555	Some things to know about VB6. You don't specify the size of an array when you do Dim MyArray(4) for example. That's not a 4-cell array. That's an array with lowerbound of 0 and upperbound of 4, which means it's a 5-cell array. Also in Visual Basic, data types are not the C++ standard. Integer is a 2-byte (not 4-byte) signed value, and Long is a 4-byte (not 8-byte) signed value.
2015-12-07 13:24:35	Videogamer555	VB6 does not have an 8-byte integer type. It does have an 8-byte fixedpoint type though, called Currency. Currency is actually equivalent to a C++ Long divided by 10000. For example, in a C++ Long, the value 0x0000000000000001 corresponds to 1. In VB6, if a currency is holding the hexadecimal value 0x0000000000000001 this actually represents the value 0.0001.
2015-12-07 13:26:00	Videogamer555	I therefore have been using Currency where the Minecraft specs call for a Long. I just need to remember to multiply or divide by 10000 when converting from Currency to other data types or visa versa.
2015-12-07 13:28:13	Videogamer555	I need some major help getting Minecraft to decode my VarInt, and I fear I may be not implementing the encoder correctly.
2015-12-07 13:32:37	barneygale	vb
2015-12-07 13:32:39	barneygale	top kek
2015-12-07 13:36:14	barneygale	Videogamer555, what does your varint encoder pack this to? 1000000000
2015-12-07 13:37:22	barneygale	It should be 8094EBDC03
2015-12-07 13:38:10	Videogamer555	Is the value 1000000000 a HEX or DEC value?
2015-12-07 13:38:39	barneygale	decimal
2015-12-07 13:39:17	barneygale	Videogamer555, why are you using VB6, out of interest?
2015-12-07 13:40:18	Videogamer555	I'm using VB6 because it's the only programming language I know extensively how to use.
2015-12-07 13:40:59	Videogamer555	And the result I'm getting from your test input is 0x83DCEB9400
2015-12-07 13:42:24	barneygale	it would probably be quicker to learn a new language than use vb6 :P
2015-12-07 13:42:39	barneygale	pretty sure your varint packing is wrong then
2015-12-07 13:43:25	Videogamer555	Looks like I have some swapped bytes or something? The hex digits appear to be there, but in the wrong order.
2015-12-07 13:43:54	Videogamer555	Looking at my code on Pastebin http://pastebin.com/Tw1wnKdm can you tell me where I'm going wrong?
2015-12-07 13:44:21	barneygale	not really. i haven't used vb6 in a long long time and it looks pretty incomprehensible
2015-12-07 13:44:33	barneygale	this is a 7 line function in python
2015-12-07 13:44:47	rom1504	https://tonicdev.com/rom1504/varint
2015-12-07 13:44:58	Videogamer555	Interestingly enough, my DECODER actually gets the correct value back out of the VarInt.
2015-12-07 13:45:37	Videogamer555	So does my decoder have an equivalent bug in it or something that cancels out the bug in my encoder?
2015-12-07 13:46:25	barneygale	Your first byte should definitely be 0x80, as 1000000000 & 0x7F == 0, and your high bit should be set as there's more data to come
2015-12-07 13:47:26	Videogamer555	From what you posted regarding python, it appears that Python already has implemented VarInts natively (no need to write your own encoder or decoder, as one would need to do in C or VB).
2015-12-07 13:47:43	barneygale	really? where?
2015-12-07 13:47:53	rom1504	https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dezyht83.aspx
2015-12-07 13:47:56	Videogamer555	I'm talking to rom1504
2015-12-07 13:48:15	Videogamer555	Barneygale, I was replying to rom1504.
2015-12-07 13:48:18	barneygale	but rom1504 didn't mention python?
2015-12-07 13:48:32	barneygale	whatever...
2015-12-07 13:48:39	Videogamer555	But he linked to Python code at https://tonicdev.com/rom1504/varint
2015-12-07 13:49:01	rom1504	that was node.js, but it's using my 9 line writing function https://github.com/roblabla/ProtoDef/blob/master/src/datatypes/utils.js#L85
2015-12-07 13:49:02	barneygale	that doesn't look like any python i've ever seen
2015-12-07 13:49:06	rom1504	protodef is the lib we implemented, it's not native
2015-12-07 13:50:14	rom1504	the point of https://tonicdev.com/rom1504/varint is you can easily test values to see if your implementation is correct
2015-12-07 13:50:20	rom1504	(in your browser)
2015-12-07 13:50:57	Videogamer555	Rom1504, your MSDN article isn't helping much. I'm using VB6 not VB-2015.
2015-12-07 13:51:11	rom1504	oh, but you have to register in tonicdev to change it, that's annoying hmm
2015-12-07 13:51:31	rom1504	ah really vb6 doesn't have bit shift operator then ?
2015-12-07 13:51:45	Videogamer555	VB6 does NOT have a built in >> operator. So I had to code my own functions SHL and SHR.
2015-12-07 13:52:14	rom1504	ah
2015-12-07 13:52:14	rom1504	okay, enjoy then
2015-12-07 13:53:52	barneygale	ಠ_ಠ
2015-12-07 13:54:26	Videogamer555	What does your emoticon mean?
2015-12-07 14:04:56	Videogamer555	barneygale, what does your emoticon mean?
2015-12-07 14:05:17	Videogamer555	Also I have some of my own test numbers I've tried.
2015-12-07 14:05:36	Videogamer555	127 turns into 0x7F
2015-12-07 14:05:51	Videogamer555	128 turns into 0x8100
2015-12-07 14:06:23	Videogamer555	129 turns into 0x8101
2015-12-07 14:06:33	Videogamer555	These all work as expected.
2015-12-07 14:08:55	Videogamer555	And of course -1 (which in a normal 4-byte integer is represented as 0xFFFFFFFF) when converted to a VarInt has this hex value 0x8FFFFFFF7F.
2015-12-07 14:12:07	rom1504	should be "ffffffff0f"
2015-12-07 14:12:39	Videogamer555	Again, it works as expected. And it is arranged most-significant-byte-first (big endian order), which should be expected, as Minecraft uses big endian values. So of course I coded my VarInt encoder and decoder to use big endian VarInts, and this means taking the input 4 byte Int and converting it to a big endian number before converting it to VarInt format, and this is already implemented in...
2015-12-07 14:12:40	Videogamer555	...my VarInt encoder because the encoder calls the FixInt function.
2015-12-07 14:12:43	rom1504	128 should be "8001"
2015-12-07 14:13:22	Videogamer555	The FixInt function is a function I wrote to swap the endianness of a 4-byte integer value.
2015-12-07 14:13:30	rom1504	your other tests are correct
2015-12-07 14:13:33	barneygale	looks like your byte order is reversed (kind of)
2015-12-07 14:14:47	Videogamer555	I think you are talking about encoding a little endian VarInt. My EncodeVarInt function encodes a big endian VarInt, as required by Minecraft.
2015-12-07 14:17:01	barneygale	i'm talking about encoding the varints minecraft uses...
2015-12-07 14:17:38	Videogamer555	I thought Minecraft only handled big endian values.
2015-12-07 14:17:46	barneygale	https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/encoding?hl=en#varints
2015-12-07 14:17:58	Videogamer555	What you are describing is a little endian VarInt.
2015-12-07 14:18:00	barneygale	"The lower 7 bits of each byte are used to store the two's complement representation of the number in groups of 7 bits, least significant group first. "
2015-12-07 14:19:58	Videogamer555	Ok, so I guess the official definition of the VarInt type does describe it in a way that it is inherently little endian.
2015-12-07 14:20:50	barneygale	yes
2015-12-07 14:20:59	barneygale	there's a couple of instances of little-endianness in minecraft
2015-12-07 14:25:21	Videogamer555	I know the NBT files in Minecraft PE are for certain all little endian, which means that NBT Explorer won't work with them, because it exclusively uses big endian values like in the PC version.
2015-12-07 14:25:39	Videogamer555	Not sure what other instances of little endianness there are in the PC version.
2015-12-07 14:31:24	+SinZ	So...
2015-12-07 14:31:31	+SinZ	Minecraft for Wii-U
2015-12-07 14:39:36	Fenhl	as was leaked like a month ago
2015-12-07 14:40:00	+SinZ	confirmed now though
2015-12-07 14:41:01	Fenhl	the leak came straight from the Nintendo eShop API, was pretty much confirmed already, same as Twilight Princess HD
2015-12-07 14:51:03	rom1504	will that be mcpc, mcpe or yet an other version ?
2015-12-07 15:06:28	barneygale	Videogamer555: there's a field in the query protocol that's little-endian, if memory serves
2015-12-07 15:06:36	barneygale	not part of the main protocol though
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2015-12-07 17:18:08	Fenhl	rom1504: Console Edition
2015-12-07 17:18:23	rom1504	ok
2015-12-07 17:19:11	Fenhl	or at least that's what the wiki says, I'm not seeing a source anywhere
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2015-12-07 18:12:55	nickelpro	Varints are, by definition, little endian. None of MCs other BS matters. Holy hell have we been talking about Varints for like 3 days now? If that doesn't demonstrate why no one should be using VB anymore I don't know what does. C is infinitely more comprehensible than this mess
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2015-12-07 18:14:43	rom1504	nickelpro: but how are we going to make a varint page on http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code without the vb6 implementation ?
2015-12-07 18:14:50	rom1504	:p
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2015-12-07 18:16:45	nickelpro	If VB6 isn't capable of the most basic data manipulation, then it is a programming language by only the most academic of descriptions
2015-12-07 18:17:12	nickelpro	Can't bit shift? BRAINFUCK CAN BIT SHIFT
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2015-12-07 18:50:45	+ammar2	even if it doesn't have bitshifts, repeatedly multiplying/dividing by 2 achieves the same result
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2015-12-07 21:33:35	aaps	holy s this is a far bussyer place that i imagined !
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2015-12-07 21:34:40	aaps	but then again i was here before
2015-12-07 21:35:12	aaps	hi barneygale.
2015-12-07 21:37:04	barneygale_	hi aaps
2015-12-07 21:39:26	aaps	anny news on quarry ?
2015-12-07 21:48:07	barneygale_	aaps, a few improvements here and there
2015-12-07 21:48:24	barneygale_	i'll do a new major version when 1.9 drops
2015-12-07 21:48:36	aaps	something your are especialy proud of ?
2015-12-07 21:48:46	aaps	or well that i would find usefull
2015-12-07 21:48:59	aaps	:P
2015-12-07 21:49:13	barneygale_	if you want to do something a bit weird with the protocol in python I think it's pretty good
2015-12-07 21:49:24	barneygale_	if you want to write a bot i'd use spock
2015-12-07 21:49:44	aaps	oh i know it is usefull since i use it
2015-12-07 21:50:03	barneygale_	what are you using it for?
2015-12-07 21:50:22	aaps	https://github.com/aaps/MCmotions
2015-12-07 21:51:03	aaps	big thanks for your work
2015-12-07 21:51:30	barneygale_	that's actually really fucking cool
2015-12-07 21:51:31	barneygale_	good stuff
2015-12-07 21:53:57	aaps	Thx that means a lok to me !
2015-12-07 21:54:06	aaps	lot
2015-12-07 21:54:09	aaps	ha
2015-12-07 21:54:46	barneygale_	aaps, there's some stuff in the "snappy" branch you might find useful. I'm not sure it will be merged into master.
2015-12-07 21:54:47	barneygale_	e.g. https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/blob/snappy/quarry/utils/buffer.py#L150-L174
2015-12-07 21:54:58	aaps	i now hooked up with theduckcow, a blender dev
2015-12-07 21:55:18	aaps	mmm, lemme look at that
2015-12-07 21:56:24	aaps	cant see the difference that fast !
2015-12-07 21:56:53	aaps	do you have the main points it is special ?
2015-12-07 21:57:40	barneygale_	you can unpack slots (inventories and such) including their nbt data
2015-12-07 21:58:07	aaps	that might be interesting but not for animations yet
2015-12-07 21:58:42	aaps	im helped with proxy to be able to login on non anonimous servers
2015-12-07 21:59:04	aaps	and the client self profiding auth data
2015-12-07 21:59:11	aaps	so witout profiding password
2015-12-07 21:59:27	aaps	from commandline, it is a trust issue
2015-12-07 22:01:15	barneygale_	hm
2015-12-07 22:01:19	barneygale_	you'd need a client mod, right?
2015-12-07 22:01:22	aaps	i also am thinking about a chunk proxy, perhaps conveniant for non changing servers
2015-12-07 22:01:40	barneygale_	or a fake world where you can ask them to enter their email/password
2015-12-07 22:01:45	aaps	nah i guess the client should send the authentication to the server
2015-12-07 22:02:11	barneygale_	aaps, not possible as I understand it
2015-12-07 22:02:23	aaps	well a fake world where to ask that after they already entered it would seem shady
2015-12-07 22:02:29	barneygale_	the protocol is designed to stop you MITMing
2015-12-07 22:02:35	aaps	ah haa
2015-12-07 22:02:49	aaps	oh that is a showstopper indeed
2015-12-07 22:02:57	barneygale_	yes
2015-12-07 22:03:12	aaps	good for security, but
2015-12-07 22:03:35	aaps	your cant yust send the entire string (?) to the server ?
2015-12-07 22:04:02	barneygale_	aaps, http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
2015-12-07 22:04:05	aaps	i mean who cares for the rest of the data
2015-12-07 22:04:10	barneygale_	it's a bit like SSL
2015-12-07 22:04:16	aaps	i will look at it
2015-12-07 22:04:35	barneygale_	the client and the server both have a symmetric key that you can't determine
2015-12-07 22:04:50	aaps	they did the whole shebang hu ?
2015-12-07 22:05:54	aaps	and a client mod could change all that, im not sure a wanna depend on that !
2015-12-07 22:07:32	barneygale_	yeah I agree
2015-12-07 22:07:53	aaps	i dont wane give my users the idea i could be harvesting credentials !
2015-12-07 22:08:44	aaps	sure they could look at the code, but he users !
2015-12-07 22:10:17	aaps	well a good night sleep might give answers, btw could i become member of mcdevs ?
2015-12-07 22:10:42	barneygale_	aaps, that's TkTech's thing. it's not really used for much
2015-12-07 22:11:44	aaps	b b but it has a cool logo, perhaps a blender minecraft group then ?
2015-12-07 22:12:16	barneygale_	aaps, have a look at miners-movies.com
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2015-12-07 22:12:39	barneygale_	aaps, I think they have a server where you're asked for your email+password (I would assume so anyway)
2015-12-07 22:12:49	barneygale_	or you can run the proxy locally
2015-12-07 22:13:03	aaps	anyway it was nice talking to you, and well i will drop in here so now and then, i have already looked at that, but i think mine is better !
2015-12-07 22:13:54	aaps	sure localy but then again if i would be a bastard you could sill send the whole shebang to my server, and sell minecraft accounts !
2015-12-07 22:14:18	aaps	you can check it, i can check it, but most yust woudnt trust it
2015-12-07 22:14:46	aaps	they would stop right at the password moment with a (hold on an minute !)
2015-12-07 22:14:49	aaps	feeling
2015-12-07 22:15:26	barneygale_	aaps, with a local proxy you wouldn't need to prompt for their password
2015-12-07 22:15:46	aaps	ah hacouse of the same ip ?
2015-12-07 22:15:58	barneygale_	aaps, just because you don't care about accounts anymore
2015-12-07 22:16:04	barneygale_	oh wait
2015-12-07 22:16:09	barneygale_	hnng no i'm being stupid
2015-12-07 22:19:54	aaps	well annyhow, thx for the talk, i figure something out, to make this more trustworthy !? have a nice one !
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2015-12-07 22:50:08	dx	rom1504, nickelpro, ammar2: http://dump.dequis.org/dBKi0.txt
2015-12-07 22:50:35	+ammar2	my eyes
2015-12-07 22:51:27	dx	value \ (2 ^ 7)
2015-12-07 22:51:29	dx	bit shift.
2015-12-07 22:51:45	dx	/ is the floating point division operator, \ is the integer division operator
2015-12-07 22:52:04	dx	& is concatenation, bitwise and is "and"
2015-12-07 22:52:34	dx	and hex numbers are written &HFFFF instead of 0xFFFF because fuck you that's why
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2015-12-07 22:58:39	rom15042	Ah, not so bad, still pretty short
2015-12-07 23:24:50	dx	the part where it handles negative numbers is untested because this thing crashes with big numbers. not sure if wine's fault or just a limitation of visual basic 3.0 which is a 16 bit app
2015-12-07 23:27:43	dx	http://dump.dequis.org/gboS3.png - gimp inspired user interface with a bunch of tiny individual windows
2015-12-07 23:31:29	edk	except it came before GIMP :D
2015-12-07 23:50:52	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/vRXEK
2015-12-07 23:50:54	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] 109C e5ff8ea - Added IP ban command
2015-12-07 23:50:55	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 de202f5 - fix commands to support /ban-ip , add /pardon-ip
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2015-12-08 02:04:06	nickelpro	Hahahahahaha dx oh why
2015-12-08 02:05:06	nickelpro	It even supports negatives roflmao
2015-12-08 02:11:43	dx	nickelpro: it's a direct translation of your python version https://gist.github.com/nickelpro/7312782
2015-12-08 02:20:42	nickelpro	I knew it looked familiar, not that there's much to varints. Still, you learned VB to do it
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2015-12-08 02:30:49	dx	nickelpro: i learned VB 15 years ago, and yeah, forgot almost everything, but the built-in help is excellent
2015-12-08 02:32:28	nickelpro	I was excited to start the 1st grade 15 years ago
2015-12-08 02:33:22	dx	same
2015-12-08 02:41:06	+ammar2	I'm sarting it tomorrow, any tips?
2015-12-08 02:42:36	dx	damn that's actually a pretty damn hard question
2015-12-08 02:45:28	dx	i can think a few tips to give to my past self but i don't know if those would fix anything, and i can also see them creating new problems that kid-self wouldn't know how to handle
2015-12-08 02:48:51	dx	i guess it's pointless to try to fix / prevent all the problems i faced, maybe the whole point was facing those problems and learning how to handle them
2015-12-08 02:49:54	dx	ammar2: good luck have fun
2015-12-08 02:50:39	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vR13s
2015-12-08 02:50:40	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 cc3d4e0 - update the default settings in basic.js, fix #147
2015-12-08 02:52:45	edk	dx, i think that's an oft-overlooked point
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2015-12-09 01:05:15	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±9] http://git.io/vRH7M
2015-12-09 01:05:16	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] demipixel 843fa1f - Starting selectors (incomplete)
2015-12-09 01:05:18	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] demipixel e151d69 - Finish basic implementation of selectors
2015-12-09 01:05:19	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 5d0d9ce - fix @e[type=Zombie] selector
2015-12-09 01:05:21	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 31a8d18 - Merge branch 'selector' : #149
2015-12-09 01:12:41	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vRHd2
2015-12-09 01:12:42	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 a770046 - properly implement /kill using selectors
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2015-12-09 17:32:53	realz	hi
2015-12-09 17:33:26	realz	is there a quick and dirty mapping somewhere of block => single color
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2015-12-09 17:47:29	rom15042	https://github.com/maxogden/minecraft-blockinfo/blob/master/index.js#L156
2015-12-09 17:47:38	rom15042	It's kind of old though
2015-12-09 17:47:49	rom15042	Some recent block are probably not there
2015-12-09 17:47:55	realz	thanks rom1504 
2015-12-09 17:48:10	realz	i thought of another way in the meantime, imma just downsample the textures to a single pixel
2015-12-09 17:48:31	rom15042	Yeah that's a good way to extract that info yourself
2015-12-09 17:48:50	realz	im excited
2015-12-09 17:48:55	realz	i actually got my renderer working
2015-12-09 17:49:09	realz	now imma get it with colors :)
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2015-12-09 19:56:43	Fenhl	realz: you could also use the map colors http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Map_Item_Format#Color_table
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2015-12-09 20:01:33	realz	awesome
2015-12-09 20:02:29	barneygale	anyone know which packet will send the client into the respawn screen? looks like entity metadata but i'm not 100%
2015-12-09 20:03:34	rom1504	entity status
2015-12-09 20:04:12	rom1504	hmm
2015-12-09 20:04:21	rom1504	ah no that's what you send other players
2015-12-09 20:04:37	rom1504	just update health actually barneygale 
2015-12-09 20:05:21	rom1504	(with health <=0)
2015-12-09 20:08:21	barneygale	oh mad
2015-12-09 20:08:34	barneygale	you can still break blocks while dead if you ignore the respawn screen
2015-12-09 20:08:52	barneygale	can't pick them up, but still
2015-12-09 20:11:53	rom1504	what do you mean by "while dead if you ignore the respawn screen" ?
2015-12-09 20:12:14	rom1504	you can't click blocks while dead
2015-12-09 20:15:37	barneygale	if you drop the server->client "update health" packet in a proxy, so the client never enters the respawn screen, then the client can still break blocks
2015-12-09 20:15:49	barneygale	e.g. i can dig up dirt while dead
2015-12-09 20:16:00	rom1504	well
2015-12-09 20:16:09	barneygale	and it's not some desynch issue - it drops dirt when i mine
2015-12-09 20:16:20	rom1504	if you don't get the update health packet then you're not dead
2015-12-09 20:16:24	barneygale	exactly
2015-12-09 20:16:29	barneygale	but the server shouldn't allow it
2015-12-09 20:16:56	rom1504	yeah I guess, but the server doesn't check too many thing ^^
2015-12-09 20:17:49	rom1504	"it drops dirt when i mine" dropping blocks is client side
2015-12-09 20:18:39	rom1504	if you get close to the drops, the client send the collect packet, and the server can react to that (or not)
2015-12-09 20:19:16	rom1504	hmm
2015-12-09 20:19:21	rom1504	no nevermind
2015-12-09 20:19:43	rom1504	block drop physics is client side
2015-12-09 20:19:43	rom1504	but spawning them is indeed server side
2015-12-09 20:20:48	rom1504	so, nothing changes in 1.8.9 right ?
2015-12-09 20:23:38	+Amaranth	barneygale: Pretty sure CraftBukkit blocked that at least
2015-12-09 20:23:58	+Amaranth	But it was sprinkles of if (entity.dead) { return; } everywhere
2015-12-09 20:24:15	+Amaranth	Ideally dead would be a different protocol state
2015-12-09 20:24:59	barneygale	that would make sense
2015-12-09 20:29:29	realz	rom1504: in the blockinfo project, any idea why all the indices are prefixed with "_" ?
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2015-12-09 20:42:38	rom1504	realz: no idea, but just use the "id" property
2015-12-09 20:43:18	rom1504	it's in a js file, but if you copy paste it in a json file it'll work btw, so you can just use a json parser ;)
2015-12-09 20:43:35	rom1504	(just remove the "data": module.exports.attachments things)
2015-12-09 20:43:38	realz	yea
2015-12-09 20:43:43	realz	im doing similarly
2015-12-09 20:43:51	realz	just writing a JS to dump it in a C array
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2015-12-10 01:26:12	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±13] http://git.io/vRxEg
2015-12-10 01:26:13	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 865327b - use require-self for better consistency with external plugins require("flying-squid").someLib instead of require("../someLib")
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2015-12-10 10:09:17	Fenhl	is 1.8.9 still protocol version 47?
2015-12-10 10:20:51	+md_5	yes
2015-12-10 10:21:03	+md_5	only server side change is 1.8.8 -> 1.8.9
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2015-12-10 11:01:50	Pobway	hullo?
2015-12-10 11:02:51	rom15042	hillo
2015-12-10 11:03:10	Pobway	hi how are u? : >
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2015-12-10 22:50:40	+md_5	redstonehelper can we please reopen this already https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-93093
2015-12-10 22:51:15	redstonehelper	md_5: it's on one of our lists, at some point a dev will either leave a comment explaining their decision or fix/reopen it
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2015-12-11 00:23:43	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 9 commits to master [+2/-0/±41] http://git.io/v0UGE
2015-12-11 00:23:44	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] demipixel 67af4a8 - Fix tp and setblock, implement relative position function, throw errors instead of returning, catch errors and display error
2015-12-11 00:23:46	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] demipixel fe2f220 - Big changes to player/entity.sendPosition and entity/player.teleport. Not fully working yet.
2015-12-11 00:23:47	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] demipixel cbb2068 - Made /help not shit
2015-12-11 00:23:49	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] ... and 6 more commits.
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2015-12-11 00:24:28	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 71a85c0 - page length to 7 like vanilla
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2015-12-11 01:00:10	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 fcce925 - fix first page of help
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2015-12-11 01:15:18	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 6207010 - don't force entities to despawn when they die, the client figures out when to do that itself, fix #156
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2015-12-11 01:26:32	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 6fc0e31 - Release 0.3.0
2015-12-11 01:26:41	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 tagged 6fc0e31 as 0.3.0 http://git.io/v0Uwn
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2015-12-11 01:31:11	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 c84591e - fix npmignore
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2015-12-11 02:38:12	realz	the commits are flying :)
2015-12-11 02:40:03	rom1504	yeah ^^
2015-12-11 02:40:50	realz	rom1504: i haven't played minecraft in years but,
2015-12-11 02:41:11	realz	are there servers good enough to replace the original?
2015-12-11 02:44:21	rom1504	cuberite is pretty good
2015-12-11 02:44:27	rom1504	it's not feature complete though
2015-12-11 02:44:37	rom1504	but not very far from it
2015-12-11 02:44:56	realz	is that a direct competitor to your project?
2015-12-11 02:45:33	rom1504	"competitor" I don't know, but it's a custom server yeah
2015-12-11 02:45:38	rom1504	there are lot of them http://wiki.vg/Server_List
2015-12-11 02:45:43	realz	i dont mean like enemies
2015-12-11 02:45:49	realz	i mean that it does the same as you do
2015-12-11 02:45:54	realz	or do you have a different niche
2015-12-11 02:45:58	realz	cool
2015-12-11 02:46:14	rom1504	it's in c++ so its perf are pretty good
2015-12-11 02:46:24	realz	mhm
2015-12-11 02:46:34	rom1504	but then it's c++, so it's not very easy to do plugins and all I think
2015-12-11 02:46:35	realz	i guess plugins break tho
2015-12-11 02:46:40	realz	yea
2015-12-11 02:46:44	realz	unless you script it up
2015-12-11 02:46:49	realz	which is major annoying
2015-12-11 02:46:54	rom1504	mine is js, so doing plugins is really pretty easy
2015-12-11 02:47:00	realz	mhm
2015-12-11 02:47:22	rom1504	but I'm going this for fun, I'm not so much about "competition"
2015-12-11 02:47:36	realz	I know i mean the word competition in an academic sense heh
2015-12-11 02:47:45	realz	are there client clones?
2015-12-11 02:47:46	rom1504	(and it's not just me, there are several contributors)
2015-12-11 02:47:52	realz	cool :)
2015-12-11 02:48:07	realz	oh its linked right there
2015-12-11 02:48:25	rom1504	there are lots of headless clients
2015-12-11 02:48:45	rom1504	but the only gui client that is pretty good looking I know is https://github.com/thinkofdeath/steven
2015-12-11 02:49:23	rom1504	but yeah look there http://wiki.vg/Client_List
2015-12-11 02:49:36	realz	yea that wiki page was linked from the Server_List page
2015-12-11 02:49:42	rom1504	"headless clients" usually mean bots, which are pretty cool too
2015-12-11 02:49:54	realz	mhm
2015-12-11 02:49:59	realz	well
2015-12-11 02:50:07	realz	my main interest is in graphics 
2015-12-11 02:50:08	rom1504	(not to cheat or whatever for me, more to make a bot that know how to play the game)
2015-12-11 02:50:21	realz	im writing a renderer and demoing it on minecraft
2015-12-11 02:51:11	realz	i got something to render a few days ago :)
2015-12-11 02:51:13	realz	it took months
2015-12-11 02:51:22	rom1504	okay, that's cool, I didn't do any graphics with minecraft (I did client and server, but all headless)
2015-12-11 02:51:29	realz	mhm
2015-12-11 02:51:41	realz	but yea im curious to talk to someone about graphics
2015-12-11 02:52:32	realz	someone else is doing the same thing I am and this is what it looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkWzrOQ1x8g
2015-12-11 02:52:41	realz	well, in a weird view mode
2015-12-11 02:54:03	realz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXf_JCrIQS4 here is another one
2015-12-11 02:54:27	realz	subpixel voxels :)
2015-12-11 02:55:07	rom1504	wow
2015-12-11 02:55:46	rom1504	ah maybe you don't know http://substack.net/projects/voxel-forest/
2015-12-11 02:56:04	rom1504	it's just the renderer part though, not really connected to minecraft
2015-12-11 02:56:09	rom1504	(but it's connectable)
2015-12-11 02:56:20	rom1504	and clearly not as good looking as your vid ^^
2015-12-11 02:56:40	realz	not my vid
2015-12-11 02:56:45	realz	just another guy doing the same thing
2015-12-11 02:57:49	realz	the coolness of this type of rendering is that you can show things *really* far away
2015-12-11 02:57:53	realz	no paging out :)
2015-12-11 02:58:09	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0Tvz
2015-12-11 02:58:11	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 3bea548 - node 0.10 doesn't have listenerCount, don't use it
2015-12-11 02:58:46	rom1504	that's nice
2015-12-11 02:58:57	rom1504	you are doing it in c right ?
2015-12-11 02:59:10	realz	its C/C++ and opencl
2015-12-11 02:59:31	rom1504	ok
2015-12-11 03:04:27	+Amaranth	Long view distances hurt raytracing more than traditional rendering
2015-12-11 03:04:51	realz	howso?
2015-12-11 03:04:56	+Amaranth	Unless you're converting the world to an octree or something first
2015-12-11 03:05:04	realz	thats exactly what it is
2015-12-11 03:05:12	realz	sparse voxel octrees
2015-12-11 03:05:12	+Amaranth	If you're not you have to traverse the grid which means longer view distances take more iterations
2015-12-11 03:05:22	realz	yes you are correct
2015-12-11 03:05:29	realz	the rendering method indeed uses an octree
2015-12-11 03:05:32	+Amaranth	Sparse voxel octrees means you're writing a viewer as the world won't be dynamic
2015-12-11 03:05:45	realz	it can be made dynamic
2015-12-11 03:06:01	realz	i mean editing one voxel at a time just means rebuilding the block
2015-12-11 03:06:03	+Amaranth	They're too slow to generate to do it at 60 fps for a large enough chunk of the world to make an octree useful
2015-12-11 03:06:12	realz	nah i don't think so
2015-12-11 03:06:22	realz	i think its doable
2015-12-11 03:06:31	realz	as long as you don't have something crazy like water or fires
2015-12-11 03:06:48	+Amaranth	Uh, you need to be able to rebuild it every frame
2015-12-11 03:06:54	realz	not the entire tree
2015-12-11 03:07:03	realz	the tree is broken down into units called blocks
2015-12-11 03:07:13	+Amaranth	aka chunks
2015-12-11 03:07:20	realz	its not *exactly* the same
2015-12-11 03:07:22	realz	but similar
2015-12-11 03:07:33	realz	its not fixed sized; it is sized based on memory
2015-12-11 03:07:59	realz	so each block can be expected to be as big as it can be without crossing a certain threshold
2015-12-11 03:08:52	realz	as it is, a block needs to be reconstructed sometimes in one frame when it is extended with more voxel data at the leaves (as you get closer)
2015-12-11 03:09:05	realz	so editing it shouldn't be that much worse
2015-12-11 03:09:30	realz	massive edits with brushes or whatnot might be a little more problematic
2015-12-11 03:09:35	+Amaranth	How does this model work with streaming chunk loads?
2015-12-11 03:09:53	+Amaranth	And you'll still need to periodically rebuild the whole tree
2015-12-11 03:10:08	realz	the blocks only go so deep into the world, and they get suplemented with data at the bottom as you near them
2015-12-11 03:10:18	+Amaranth	But give it a shot, if you can make it work cool
2015-12-11 03:10:25	realz	i don't intend on making it editable
2015-12-11 03:10:28	+Amaranth	So far everyone that has tried to do so has gone back to a grid
2015-12-11 03:10:30	realz	minecraft isn't my goal 
2015-12-11 03:10:37	realz	minecraft is my demo :)
2015-12-11 03:10:42	+Amaranth	If it isn't editable why are you using voxels?
2015-12-11 03:10:59	realz	simplicity for one
2015-12-11 03:11:31	realz	and do you know many better methods for partial loading of large worlds without manual labor of 3D artists for LOD?
2015-12-11 03:11:50	realz	and procedural generation experiment to come after, is another reason
2015-12-11 03:12:45	realz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSS_veoSg0 here is an inspiring use-case :)
2015-12-11 03:12:59	realz	(not mine)
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2015-12-11 04:15:21	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 9366c1b - make /attach use the selectors, fix UserError, check /tp has one target see http://stackoverflow.com/a/32749533 for UserError
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2015-12-11 04:33:13	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 ce1ffe9 - fix error handling in /kill and disable /kill test until we figure out whether the server should send the despawn packet or not when the entity dies
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2015-12-11 05:20:50	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 47c7567 - create an entity.attach, some more selector fixes, and add a fun /pile <entities> command (that will go in a plugin later)
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2015-12-11 09:48:35	DemiPixel	I'm struggling a bit with the "Player Abilities" packet. It seems that walkingSpeed is 4.3/20 (4.3m/s in ticks) and flyingSpeed is 1/20 (100% speed in ticks?). This seems wrong. In addition, no matter what, when I send the packet, the FOV becomes narrower (never wider for some reason, even if flying speed is very high).
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2015-12-11 10:01:31	DemiPixel	I g2g but if somebody can respond, rom1504 will tell me :)
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2015-12-11 10:24:08	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 8 commits to master [+144/-61/±60] http://git.io/v0kxz
2015-12-11 10:24:10	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] txomon bbfb4b3 - auth: Refactor almost complete, need tests, docs, etc.
2015-12-11 10:24:11	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] txomon 69c2224 - Tests for yggdrasil passing and flake is happy, now tests for auth
2015-12-11 10:24:13	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] txomon 4a37468 - Adding tests to auth, promise I had already coded this somewhere :(
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2015-12-11 10:41:58	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0Ivl
2015-12-11 10:41:59	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] nickelpro bf7002f - Remove ancient hack leftover
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2015-12-11 10:54:05	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] nickelpro bf88d7d - We switched to dicts but never updated the comment
2015-12-11 13:22:50	Not-5d64	[mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0I7C
2015-12-11 13:22:52	Not-5d64	[mineflayer] rom1504 0895475 - fix entity_status
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2015-12-11 13:23:47	Not-5d64	[mineflayer] rom1504 f3aa213 - Release 1.5.3
2015-12-11 13:23:56	Not-5d64	[mineflayer] rom1504 tagged f3aa213 as 1.5.3 http://git.io/v0I7K
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2015-12-11 15:47:57	realz	ok i am convinced that rom1504 is truly a robot :)
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2015-12-11 15:52:13	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 5f96ff3 - remove a forgotten console.log
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2015-12-11 16:53:29	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 addec72 - fix place block test and improve lot of awaiting in the tests, only send min(3,view) chunks initially
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2015-12-11 16:57:01	Not-d54a	[flying-squid] rom1504 3e8e49b - one onGround missing
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2015-12-11 18:43:59	rom1504	client<-server: play.abilities :{"flags":0,"flyingSpeed":0.05000000074505806,"walkingSpeed":0.10000000149011612}
2015-12-11 18:44:09	rom1504	can anyone explain wtf are these speeds
2015-12-11 18:44:41	rom1504	walking speed would be 5m/s
2015-12-11 18:44:49	rom1504	and flying speed 2.5m/s ??
2015-12-11 18:53:04	+Amaranth	Oh yeah those crazy things
2015-12-11 18:54:35	+Amaranth	Huh, we apparently doubled them for Bukkit's API
2015-12-11 18:54:57	+Amaranth	I mean, the API did internal * 2 for get and API / 2 for set
2015-12-11 18:55:06	+Amaranth	That doesn't tell me anything about what they mean
2015-12-11 18:56:06	rom1504	surely flying speed is faster than walking speed ?
2015-12-11 18:56:12	+Amaranth	Alright apparently for some reason the valid range in Minecraft is -0.5 to 0.5
2015-12-11 18:56:18	+Amaranth	So we doubled it to make it -1 to 1
2015-12-11 18:56:52	rom1504	are these factors ?
2015-12-11 18:57:31	rom1504	like, there's a "maxSpeed" and you just multiply by these values ?
2015-12-11 19:01:45	+Amaranth	It appears the server calculates a movement speed then does f3 = f2 / f3; where f3 is that speed and f2 is either flyingSpeed or walkingSpeed
2015-12-11 19:02:21	+Amaranth	 That makes no sense
2015-12-11 19:02:52	+Amaranth	Oh but no that is a modifier too and the actual speed is f and then it does f *= f3
2015-12-11 19:03:38	+Amaranth	That still doesn't explain why flyingSpeed is lower
2015-12-11 19:03:46	+Amaranth	rom1504: I'm going to go with "it's fucking magic"
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2015-12-11 19:07:01	rom1504	hmm
2015-12-11 19:07:38	rom1504	"Oh but no that is a modifier too and the actual speed is f and then it does f *= f3" maybe there is a different "max speed" for flying and walking
2015-12-11 19:07:46	rom1504	the initial value of "f"
2015-12-11 19:07:54	rom1504	that might explain how it works
2015-12-11 19:08:11	rom1504	(with the initial value of f being a lot bigger for flying)
2015-12-11 19:09:04	+Amaranth	Didn't look like it
2015-12-11 19:09:53	+Amaranth	That would be dumb anyway
2015-12-11 19:10:37	rom1504	not sure if it being dump confirms it's correct or the opposite :p
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2015-12-11 19:25:24	+Amaranth	MCP says the argument is called "friction"
2015-12-11 19:25:36	+Amaranth	Maybe they code will make more sense in there too
2015-12-11 19:29:42	+Amaranth	Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me
2015-12-11 19:30:00	nickelpro	The minecraft speed calculation are very complex
2015-12-11 19:30:17	+Amaranth	I'm sure I understood this stuff at one point
2015-12-11 19:30:20	nickelpro	Check out SpockBot's physics plugin to see how all the factors play in
2015-12-11 19:30:45	rom1504	nickelpro: you take into account the player abilities packet in spock ?
2015-12-11 19:31:16	nickelpro	rom1504: yes of course
2015-12-11 19:32:10	nickelpro	The basic idea of movement is player ability speed * an acceleration modifier (based on block slipperiness) * base drag
2015-12-11 19:32:36	nickelpro	There are other factors, but that's the basics
2015-12-11 19:32:59	+Amaranth	Except all that goes out the window when you're flying
2015-12-11 19:33:06	nickelpro	Nope
2015-12-11 19:33:08	+Amaranth	It's just the ability speed as far as I can tell
2015-12-11 19:33:15	nickelpro	Nope
2015-12-11 19:33:17	+Amaranth	Except the ability speed is actually friction, according to MCP
2015-12-11 19:33:25	+Amaranth	I'm looking at the code...
2015-12-11 19:33:33	nickelpro	MCP labels a bunch of stuff wrong
2015-12-11 19:33:45	nickelpro	Like, a ton of stuff
2015-12-11 19:33:52	rom1504	nickelpro: you don't use flying_speed in spock ;)
2015-12-11 19:34:08	nickelpro	Because spock doesn't support flying right now
2015-12-11 19:34:36	nickelpro	But I have a spec I wrote after a lot of agonizing time inside MCP
2015-12-11 19:34:57	+Amaranth	Minecraft does a bunch of calculations for movement like you just said then if onGround uses them otherwise just does f4 = this.jumpMovementFactor; and jumpMovementFactor was set to flySpeed before this method was called
2015-12-11 19:35:04	nickelpro	We tested it against a slightly modified MC client and all the values come out good
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2015-12-11 19:36:29	nickelpro	Amaranth: I haven't been in the code base, but inside one of the functions where movement is grabbed from the keyboard all horizontal movement is slowed by 2% (what I call drag). That needs to be taken into account
2015-12-11 19:36:53	nickelpro	in the code base in awhile**
2015-12-11 19:37:05	+Amaranth	This is from MCP: https://gist.github.com/amaranth/6c3f0143050fbe3de5da
2015-12-11 19:37:40	+Amaranth	As you said the names are all jacked up (moveFlying is called for non-flying movement too, jumpMovementFactor has nothing to do with jumping as far as I can tell)
2015-12-11 19:37:54	nickelpro	Yep
2015-12-11 19:38:07	nickelpro	And none of that code applies to when you're actually flying
2015-12-11 19:38:27	+Amaranth	Yes, yes it does
2015-12-11 19:38:53	+Amaranth	EntityPlayer sets jumpMovementFactor to flySpeed then calls this method and unless you're in water or lava this is the codepath you go down
2015-12-11 19:39:29	+Amaranth	Actually those branches check if you're flying and are skipped since water and lava don't slow down flying
2015-12-11 19:39:31	nickelpro	Oh you're right. Clearly I need to review. Unfortunately I have work, you've got this handled obviously
2015-12-11 19:39:37	+Amaranth	So if you're flying this is the only codepath you can go down
2015-12-11 19:40:46	+Amaranth	rom1504: It seems like the answer is walkSpeed gets fucked with based on what blocks you're standing on and a few other factors
2015-12-11 19:41:07	+Amaranth	So flySpeed is a pure modifier and walkSpeed is not
2015-12-11 19:42:10	rom1504	ah so that's why it's lower
2015-12-11 19:47:34	+Amaranth	rom1504: It's all in that same chunk of code in the gist actually
2015-12-11 19:47:53	+Amaranth	getAIMoveSpeed() is also poorly named, for players that's how you get walkSpeed
2015-12-11 19:49:53	+Amaranth	Looks like the most common result is walkSpeed gets multiplied by 0.216 first which makes the actual speed 0.0216 which is less than half the flying speed which matches reality
2015-12-11 19:49:55	+Amaranth	Yay solved
2015-12-11 19:50:15	rom1504	okay thanks :)
2015-12-11 19:51:02	+Amaranth	Remember the limits are -0.5 to 0.5, past it wrapped around
2015-12-11 19:52:55	nickelpro	You are missing the 2% drag. Before that function strafe and forward are multiplied by 0.98 and those are the values used to translate keyboard input and movement magnitude into x, z deltas
2015-12-11 19:55:11	+Amaranth	That is code that doesn't exist in the server so yep, missed it I guess
2015-12-11 20:47:31	toqueteos	So... I'm working on server side packet handling (custom server v1.8.8, official client) and found out that client isn't sending me a PlayerDigging packet when I try to break the floor. Has anyone experienced this before?
2015-12-11 20:51:46	rom1504	what do you mean by "the floor" ?
2015-12-11 20:52:51	toqueteos	rom1504: Floor is made of layers of cobblestone, dirst and grass. Trying to dig any block just gets me 0x10 Animation packets
2015-12-11 20:58:48	angal	Does it digs/breaks on client? Does client can dig it? (gm 0, no entiies around, no potion effects)?
2015-12-11 21:00:24	toqueteos	angal: Nope :( It just pokes it on the client and that's it. Client *should* be able to dig it, world is pretty much empty
2015-12-11 21:01:29	rom1504	toqueteos: is there a wiki page about "the floor"
2015-12-11 21:01:36	rom1504	I can't find anything about that
2015-12-11 21:01:55	toqueteos	rom1504: wiki page? I don't understand
2015-12-11 21:02:05	toqueteos	what's wrong with "the floor" ?
2015-12-11 21:02:10	toqueteos	it's just regular blocks
2015-12-11 21:04:45	rom1504	ah
2015-12-11 21:04:55	rom1504	you mean the player doesn't send you dig packet when he dig ?
2015-12-11 21:05:00	rom1504	that certainly never happens
2015-12-11 21:05:06	rom1504	I guess your parsing is wrong
2015-12-11 21:11:03	angal	Cient do not break blocks in term of vanilla then.
2015-12-11 21:12:25	angal	It's may be coused of incorrect gamemode/abilities, potions effect, enities on the sight o block.
2015-12-11 21:12:56	toqueteos	angal: I just noticed it's not even highlighting it so that may be it
2015-12-11 21:13:19	toqueteos	but still, I'll recheck parsing to be sure
2015-12-11 21:13:21	angal	not higlighting -> not gm 0
2015-12-11 21:13:41	angal	check you shure force set toplayers gm 0
2015-12-11 21:14:10	angal	("gamemode 0", "survival" i mean)
2015-12-11 21:15:16	toqueteos	Unless I'm misstaken, it's sending PlayerAbilities with "flags: 0b0000, // god | can fly | flying | creative"
2015-12-11 21:15:55	toqueteos	let me check everything and I'll confirm where did I mess up (angal rom1504)
2015-12-11 21:16:03	toqueteos	thanks for the help!
2015-12-11 21:28:15	toqueteos	angal: I was looking at the wrong packet, my JoinGame specified adventure mode not survival. Now I'm getting the PlayerDigging and instabreaking everything
2015-12-11 21:30:07	angal	Looks like incorrect abilities now...
2015-12-11 21:34:59	toqueteos	angal: not, just me not reading properly.. long day at work, I set it to gamemode creative haha Thanks a lot for dealing with me
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2015-12-12 06:48:31	rom1504	is it required by the vanilla client to use the multi block change packet for the nether blocks (in a portal) ?
2015-12-12 06:48:45	rom1504	(normal block change packet doesn't seem to work)
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2015-12-12 08:55:17	Not-d54a	[SpockBot] nickelpro 7b062d5 - Remove pointless comparison from packet decode
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