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2015-09-05 04:15:07	Fenhl	Gjum: oh okay
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2015-09-05 04:17:10	Fenhl	Gjum: what is the numeric inventory type used for then?
2015-09-05 04:17:13	Gjum	Fenhl, there should probably be a note about the usage then
2015-09-05 04:17:19	Gjum	nothing, lol
2015-09-05 04:17:26	Gjum	maybe it wwas used before
2015-09-05 04:18:50	Fenhl	alright, fixing
2015-09-05 04:19:02	Gjum	thanks
2015-09-05 04:22:39	Fenhl	done
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2015-09-05 10:28:15	+Thinkofdeath	AlphaBlend: they are still living
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2015-09-05 17:03:15	+Thinkofdeath	oh so the packets got sorted, that explains a lot
2015-09-05 17:14:56	+Grum	:p
2015-09-05 17:20:57	 *	Thinkofdeath stabs Grum 
2015-09-05 17:21:24	yawkat	sorted?
2015-09-05 17:21:35	 *	Grum deflates
2015-09-05 17:21:41	+Thinkofdeath	somewhat sorted
2015-09-05 17:21:47	+Thinkofdeath	a few still seem out of position
2015-09-05 17:21:52	+Thinkofdeath	(on 15w36c)
2015-09-05 17:22:05	+Grum	they are sorted  by our names, could be others were added after i didi t
2015-09-05 17:22:25	+Thinkofdeath	ah names, I assume you were grouping similar packets
2015-09-05 17:22:30	+Grum	ofc not
2015-09-05 17:22:46	+Thinkofdeath	somewhat turned out that way :P
2015-09-05 17:23:00	+ammar2	speaking of names, do you think our wiki names are better or yours?
2015-09-05 17:23:08	+Grum	7
2015-09-05 17:24:59	+Thinkofdeath	one of these days i'm going to work out what that combat event packet does
2015-09-05 17:26:04	+Grum	ENTER_COMBAT, END_COMBAT,ENTITY_DIED
2015-09-05 17:26:07	+Grum	about that :P
2015-09-05 17:26:51	+Thinkofdeath	I see when its called but I can't work out what the client does with it
2015-09-05 17:27:12	+Grum	just showing death-screen
2015-09-05 17:27:14	+Grum	nothing more
2015-09-05 17:27:24	+Thinkofdeath	oh its the game over screen?
2015-09-05 17:54:08	Fenhl	Thinkofdeath: is Collision Rule really always, hideForOtherTeams, hideForOwnTeam, never
2015-09-05 17:54:52	+Thinkofdeath	apparently
2015-09-05 17:55:02	+Thinkofdeath	oh without never
2015-09-05 17:55:14	+Thinkofdeath	wait, never is there
2015-09-05 18:07:15	+Grum	latest snapshot should also have the change where it sends a '0 length palette'
2015-09-05 18:14:32	Fenhl	oh right
2015-09-05 18:14:54	+Grum	i commited+pushed it while we were talking about it
2015-09-05 18:29:43	+Thinkofdeath	https://github.com/thinkofdeath/steven/commit/951d5eda83e4db4c9e3b0bb456b2025f9bfa06c4 yay, done
2015-09-05 18:35:13	+Grum	oof such a massive diff because you shuffled everything? :D
2015-09-05 18:40:40	+Thinkofdeath	Grum: yep, luckily the _proto files are generated for me
2015-09-05 18:41:55	+Thinkofdeath	made a slightly hacky system where any struct with the comment "This is a Minecraft packet" gets an id assigned and read/write methods generated
2015-09-05 18:45:01	+Thinkofdeath	anyway, good luck to the person that decides to reorder the wiki. I need a break :)
2015-09-05 18:45:46	+Thinkofdeath	if you use that commit to help Use Item and Block Place are backwards
2015-09-05 18:48:09	Fenhl	D:
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2015-09-05 18:51:04	Fenhl	oh hey look I have a minigame server which needs to be up and running in an hour, someone else has to do the wiki thing
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2015-09-05 19:31:03	Assossa	Hey guys, I'm trying to parse minecraft packets in python, but I am completely lost. Can anyone help?
2015-09-05 19:31:38	Assossa	I'm brand new to parsing packets on a low-level
2015-09-05 19:33:27	Assossa	Anyone?
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2015-09-05 19:37:33	morfin	hello, Entity ID is only used in runtime? so it used only in protocol and stored in memory
2015-09-05 19:54:49	nickelpro	morfin: yes, its a runtime generated value
2015-09-05 19:56:04	nickelpro	Assossa: I recommend referencing one of the half dozen Python protocol implementations
2015-09-05 19:56:51	morfin	then i understand how that hack bungeecord works
2015-09-05 20:00:26	Assossa	Can you link me nickelpro? I googled for it, but I don't see anything useful :/
2015-09-05 20:01:13	nickelpro	Shameful self plug: https://github.com/SpockBotMC/SpockBot
2015-09-05 20:01:20	Assossa	Ok, thanks
2015-09-05 20:01:54	nickelpro	But there is also quarry: https://github.com/barneygale/quarry
2015-09-05 20:02:44	nickelpro	And fastmc is very popular also: https://github.com/dividuum/fastmc
2015-09-05 20:04:57	Assossa	Thanks, this will help me a lot :)
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2015-09-05 20:12:17	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 6 commits to 1.8 [+0/-0/±6] http://git.io/vGj0q
2015-09-05 20:12:18	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] Gjum f4cc1db - Add a name for each armor slot
2015-09-05 20:12:20	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] Gjum ae9a623 - Add horse slots
2015-09-05 20:12:21	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] Gjum cacd822 - Add Anvil slots
2015-09-05 20:12:23	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] ... and 3 more commits.
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2015-09-05 20:37:26	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] rom1504 4f3ff30 - format projects using mcdata in a table, add spock, add windows in data
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2015-09-06 06:16:22	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vZvfb
2015-09-06 06:16:23	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 2c27160 - Minor physics update
2015-09-06 06:16:25	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 447720b - Merge pull request #102 from nickelpro/master
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2015-09-06 06:55:14	ohcreative	can someone help me?
2015-09-06 06:55:40	ohcreative	I need to create a packet to close a players open inventory window
2015-09-06 06:55:44	ohcreative	:(
2015-09-06 06:57:30	ohcreative	anyone here?
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2015-09-06 08:27:50	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vZv3E
2015-09-06 08:27:52	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 865b8d4 - More vector methods
2015-09-06 08:27:53	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 14db6a5 - Merge pull request #103 from nickelpro/master
2015-09-06 08:33:47	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/vZvsU
2015-09-06 08:33:49	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 1aa64a7 - Walk with vectors
2015-09-06 08:33:50	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 1a7d9e0 - Minor typo fix
2015-09-06 08:33:51	Not-f7bb	[SpockBot] nickelpro 3c56b17 - Merge pull request #104 from nickelpro/master
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2015-09-06 14:29:47	MrARM	so, I'm wondering, in minecraft, when player starts mining, the server calculates the time that it should take the client to break the block
2015-09-06 14:30:15	MrARM	and after mining the client sends the server a packet too
2015-09-06 14:30:54	MrARM	but my question is, what happens if the clients sends the packet before the block hasn't been mined yet on the server - for example due to net lag
2015-09-06 14:31:14	+Thinkofdeath	the server will wait and remove it at the correct time
2015-09-06 14:31:33	+Thinkofdeath	you can send both instantly and the server will still wait out the full time
2015-09-06 14:32:19	MrARM	but will the server revert the block to the client?
2015-09-06 14:32:58	+Thinkofdeath	revert? You mean send back the correct block?
2015-09-06 14:33:05	MrARM	yeah
2015-09-06 14:33:09	+Thinkofdeath	because I think it does but i haven't tested much
2015-09-06 14:33:23	MrARM	also, another question then; what happens if the client will already start mining another block?
2015-09-06 14:33:41	+Thinkofdeath	it'll clear the previous's progress
2015-09-06 14:33:47	MrARM	hmm, ok, thanks
2015-09-06 14:34:33	+Thinkofdeath	oh and fun fact: you can send a start digging packet and a finish digging packet instantly and then walk away. The server will continue breaking it even if you aren't near it
2015-09-06 14:35:18	MrARM	I'm making my own server and I came up to this already and were thinking what happens in such case
2015-09-06 14:35:28	MrARM	I think I'm going to include net lag into the time
2015-09-06 14:35:45	MrARM	as in PE it is much more of a problem than in PC
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2015-09-06 14:45:44	Fenhl	ah, so that's why blocks randomly reappear sometimes
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2015-09-06 16:05:12	Timelaw	clonejo: Hey! Just tried to get your mc-erl running using your instructions but it seems it is crashing. Using MC 1.4.7, as it was the listed version. 
2015-09-06 16:05:54	Timelaw	clonejo: Can't get it to work as I try to connect to the server
2015-09-06 16:07:47	Timelaw	clonejo: I'm trying to get it to run because I was thinking of writing my own MC server using Erlang but I would like to know what you did to implement the network protocol. 
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2015-09-06 16:36:19	+Thinkofdeath	if its 1.4.7 then its way to out of date to be useful for 1.7+
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2015-09-06 17:04:28	+clonejo	Timelaw: i'll try running it. haven't touched it in ages. the network protocol isn't that nicely done, as the abstractions have runtime costs. that abstraction is obsolete now anyway, because packet definitions are not bidirectional anymore.
2015-09-06 19:08:43	morfin	what do you mean not bidirectional?
2015-09-06 19:19:26	+Thinkofdeath	in 1.6 and less packets could be sent both ways, there wasn't the clientbound/serverbound split
2015-09-06 19:25:55	morfin	but why?
2015-09-06 19:26:14	morfin	i remember something like that now
2015-09-06 19:26:51	rom1504	why what ?
2015-09-06 19:30:38	morfin	what's point to send same "packets" in both directions?
2015-09-06 19:38:32	Timelaw	clonejo: Did you get it to run? Went away meeting some friends so that's why it took me so long
2015-09-06 19:40:21	Timelaw	clonejo: I don't really know anything about how to get the protocol and I wanted to ask you/check your code in order to get a hint on how it works, but I do not it's obselete as there has been 4 major versions of MC since then anyway.
2015-09-06 19:40:40	Timelaw	clonejo: Just thought I'd ask the only guy that even tried doing it in Erlang so :P 
2015-09-06 19:41:31	+Grum	it makes more sense to not have bidirectionality as you get better control over what you send and what you are allowed to receive
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2015-09-06 20:00:56	Timelaw	Did you reverse-engineer the protocol or is there some place where I can find the specs for it? I don't know what the common practices are since I have never tried it :P And I just want to have write a server for any game really but Minecraft seems like the most suitable
2015-09-06 20:01:07	Timelaw	clonejo: ^
2015-09-06 20:02:58	nickelpro	Timelaw: wiki.vg
2015-09-06 20:03:00	angal	Protocol already reversed by this team and you can find it (unofficial) spec on wiki.
2015-09-06 20:03:14	angal	:(
2015-09-06 20:08:06	rom1504	you might also be interested by https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/blob/1.8/enums/protocol.json
2015-09-06 20:08:18	Timelaw	nickelpro: wiki.vg? What does vg stand for?
2015-09-06 20:08:31	Timelaw	rom1504 angal: Thanks!
2015-09-06 20:08:38	yawkat	It's a domain  
2015-09-06 20:08:50	nickelpro	Timelaw: Officially? Virgin Islands. Unofficially? Often used for video game related domains
2015-09-06 20:08:56	Timelaw	yawkat: I know, but usually it's for a specific country or so and i haven't seen vg before
2015-09-06 20:09:05	Timelaw	nickelpro: Oh, that makes sense haha
2015-09-06 20:11:49	Fenhl	Timelaw: specifically, the articles you want to look at are http://wiki.vg/Protocol if you're working with 1.8 or http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol for 1.9
2015-09-06 20:12:41	Fenhl	also http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ but disregard that first entry, it's outdated
2015-09-06 20:15:49	Fenhl	there I fixed it http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#Is_the_protocol_documentation_complete.3F
2015-09-06 20:19:04	Not-f7bb	[minecraft-data] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to 1.8 [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/vZJMm
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2015-09-06 20:23:38	Timelaw	Fenhl: THanks :) I'll definitely have a look at both of them.
2015-09-06 20:30:14	Timelaw	Fenhl: This is really the thing I needed haha
2015-09-06 20:30:26	Timelaw	Thank you all that helped :) I'll try to dive into it now
2015-09-06 20:31:35	Fenhl	Timelaw: oh and [[Pre-release protocol]] is *not* up to date. A recent snapshot shuffled all the packets around and no one has bothered to fix the wiki
2015-09-06 20:34:30	Timelaw	Fenhl: Okey :) But if I would just focus on 1.8 for now, can I assume that the Protocol page will be sufficient? I am not too worried at all regarding futur updates. I am actually doing this for myself to just learn and experiment with Erlang
2015-09-06 20:34:44	Timelaw	Fenhl: Want to do a project that has a really scaleable nature, and Minecraft is perfect for this
2015-09-06 20:35:21	Timelaw	Fenhl: So if it turns out I manage to make a fully-functional server and decide to keep developing it, then I'll worry about the future updates at that point :) 
2015-09-06 20:35:52	rom1504	yeah 1.8 is correctly documented
2015-09-06 20:36:08	rom1504	1.9 is a moving target, that's why it isn't always up to date
2015-09-06 20:37:07	Timelaw	rom1504: Completely understandable. It is after all a dev release, right?
2015-09-06 20:37:16	Timelaw	rom1504: So anything could happen
2015-09-06 20:37:42	Fenhl	Timelaw: you might need to look at [[Protocol Encryption]] as well (but afaik only if you want to implement online-mode), but otherwise the article should be self explanatory
2015-09-06 20:38:38	Timelaw	Fenhl: I can't remember if online mode is restrictive as in it won't allow me to host my server to others or if it is the auth with mojang's online service?
2015-09-06 20:39:03	Timelaw	Fenhl: As far as I remember, you could still connect as long as you had the IP and ports open so it didn't seem to matter in my case when playing with a locally hosted server?
2015-09-06 20:39:37	Timelaw	Fenhl: Don't know if something changed since then though. Haven't played since 1.4.5 I think
2015-09-06 20:39:55	rom1504	Timelaw: yeah after each snapshot, there is often protocol changes
2015-09-06 20:39:57	Fenhl	I'm the wrong person to ask here, maybe someone else knows
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2015-09-06 20:40:47	rom1504	Timelaw: online mode only means you need to auth people using mojang api
2015-09-06 20:40:48	Timelaw	rom1504: Yes and so I would only focus on versions that are finished.. for now anyway
2015-09-06 20:40:58	rom1504	but you can still host your own server and everything
2015-09-06 20:41:00	Timelaw	rom1504: Yeah, so not necessary, right?
2015-09-06 20:41:13	rom1504	yes you can do offline mode too
2015-09-06 20:41:28	Timelaw	rom1504: For now that's what I'll do :)
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2015-09-07 01:09:07	morfin	i was interested - when you die new entity spawned for player?
2015-09-07 01:09:26	morfin	with new id etc
2015-09-07 01:12:00	+Thinkofdeath	no, you can't change your player id
2015-09-07 01:12:12	+Thinkofdeath	(internally its a new entity with the old id copied over)
2015-09-07 01:12:47	morfin	hm
2015-09-07 01:13:48	morfin	because i noticed when you join to vanilla it says "created entity id xxx for player" or something like that
2015-09-07 01:20:08	morfin	remember i was asking about worlds synchronization?
2015-09-07 01:20:30	morfin	should they synchronized to milliseconds?
2015-09-07 01:20:41	morfin	or some precision is enough?
2015-09-07 01:29:04	nickelpro	So I have no idea if this is what you're talking about
2015-09-07 01:29:20	nickelpro	But when if I tell my bot to follow me, based on entity ID, and I kill my bot
2015-09-07 01:29:34	nickelpro	After he respawns the server send him a new entity id for me which I thought was weird
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2015-09-07 01:32:13	morfin	i say that somebody said worlds should be synchronized
2015-09-07 01:32:48	morfin	and i am not sure is "lag" few milliseconds between them very critical
2015-09-07 01:34:05	morfin	ah i remember - he said it's critical for mechanisms
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2015-09-07 15:32:04	Fenhl	https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2u45a9/some_questions_regarding_the_iron_titan/co52nuq where is the spawn chunk cache file this comment refers to located?
2015-09-07 15:37:09	Gjum	I assume they are stored like all other chunks, but loaded before ticking them
2015-09-07 15:37:25	Gjum	when you start a server, it shows "Preparing spawn chunks..."
2015-09-07 15:38:23	Fenhl	which would imply that villages are stored within the anvil files?
2015-09-07 15:38:42	Gjum	no, they are in villages.dat or so
2015-09-07 15:39:27	morfin	what?
2015-09-07 15:42:17	Gjum	http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Villages.dat
2015-09-07 15:43:11	Gjum	the spawn chunks are not "unloaded", and thus the villages not "forgotten", and remain in villages.dat
2015-09-07 15:43:36	Fenhl	no, villages.dat only contains villages within view distance of players
2015-09-07 15:43:43	Fenhl	it's empty when no one is online
2015-09-07 15:46:12	Gjum	hm
2015-09-07 15:46:52	Gjum	so where are the doors stored then? they must be somewhere, or it wouldnt make sense to build it in the spawn chunks
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2015-09-07 15:52:29	morfin	but what for that's used?
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2015-09-07 15:54:36	morfin	are not villages just generated once?
2015-09-07 15:54:52	morfin	what for " Stable: Last time a house was added to the village." is required
2015-09-07 15:57:38	Thinkofdeath_	Fenhl: doesn't exist, its just a distance check hardcoded in the server
2015-09-07 15:59:21	Fenhl	Thinkofdeath_: that doesn't explain how the Iron Titan survives a server restart iff it's built in the spawn chunks
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2015-09-07 16:00:27	Thinkofdeath_	they never unload
2015-09-07 16:01:50	Fenhl	where are the villages stored though?
2015-09-07 16:02:18	Thinkofdeath_	Village.dat i'd assume
2015-09-07 16:02:27	Thinkofdeath_	or villages.dat
2015-09-07 16:02:52	Fenhl	it's not villages.dat because that's empty when the server is not running, even with a working Iron Titan, we tested this on our server at one point
2015-09-07 16:04:45	Gjum	that's interesting, because then there's no use for villages.dat at all
2015-09-07 16:04:51	Thinkofdeath_	Theres a Village.dat too, no which one used
2015-09-07 16:08:01	Gjum	Village.dat is for the generated village structures it seems
2015-09-07 16:08:17	Gjum	like nether fortresses
2015-09-07 16:08:42	Gjum	not related to the iron titan at all
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2015-09-07 16:17:22	morfin	what do you mean?
2015-09-07 16:18:43	morfin	everything can be stored in region
2015-09-07 16:19:00	morfin	what for that villages.dat is used i have no idea
2015-09-07 16:26:52	Gjum	morfin, region does not save villages at all
2015-09-07 16:28:43	morfin	villages you mean houses?
2015-09-07 16:28:51	morfin	villagers? golems?
2015-09-07 16:29:12	morfin	it seems like villages.dat used only to spawn new villagers and golems
2015-09-07 16:29:27	morfin	if enough doors and enough villagers
2015-09-07 16:29:28	Gjum	not the blocks, we are talking about an iron golem farm, which is based around the center point of a village, which is depending on the doors of that village
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2015-09-07 16:29:44	morfin	oh you mean that
2015-09-07 16:29:56	morfin	but that seems to be temporary file
2015-09-07 16:30:07	morfin	is not that bad useless idea?
2015-09-07 16:30:32	morfin	why write temporary file if after shutdown it's viped anyway
2015-09-07 16:30:33	Gjum	yeah, which is weird because in that reddit comment someone said the villages in spawn chunks are kept across server reboots
2015-09-07 16:30:50	morfin	*wiped
2015-09-07 16:30:52	morfin	hmm
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2015-09-07 16:35:27	angal	Maybe they selected each time in the same rule after server restart, like when they builded first time.
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2015-09-07 16:37:00	morfin	i se that villages.dat store only some metainformation
2015-09-07 16:37:13	morfin	*see
2015-09-07 16:37:53	morfin	maybe it's just - loading spawn chunk and it have village, then fill villages.dat with information about that village
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2015-09-07 16:47:21	Gjum	No because then the villages of the iron golem farm would meld into one, instead of being separated
2015-09-07 16:50:40	morfin	i am not sure how it works
2015-09-07 16:50:49	morfin	i think only reversing can ask
2015-09-07 16:51:14	morfin	is not there 1 village btw?
2015-09-07 16:52:55	morfin	i watch guide where guy  built farm for golems, he used lots of doors and 1 place with villagers
2015-09-07 16:53:20	morfin	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dev3Ls8papM
2015-09-07 16:54:18	morfin	1 room with villagers i mena
2015-09-07 16:56:32	morfin	i think that's why nobody have sane implementation of minecraft
2015-09-07 16:56:37	morfin	server
2015-09-07 16:57:32	morfin	only reverse engineering can help to undestand how that works, and it's more like rocket science
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2015-09-07 17:32:28	Fenhl	reason I'm asking is, it seems to be broken since 15w36a
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2015-09-07 18:09:16	roblabla_	anyone here knows how knockback works ? Is that documented somewhere ?
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2015-09-07 18:13:53	roblabla	(this is from a client perspective)
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2015-09-07 18:54:09	nickelpro	roblala, when the client is attacked it is responsible for calculating knockback on itself. If the client doesn't do this, no knockback happens. Server doesn't enforce anything
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2015-09-07 18:54:54	nickelpro	 roblabla ^^
2015-09-07 18:55:31	roblabla	nickelpro, yup, I know that much. The question is, on what packet does the notchian client knocksback
2015-09-07 18:55:47	roblabla	that's the biggest trouble I'm having
2015-09-07 18:57:07	rom15041	Yeah, how do you know who attacked you ?
2015-09-07 18:57:39	rom15041	( swing arm animation ? )
2015-09-07 19:03:12	nickelpro	That can't be right, there can be a dozen people swinging arms with different equipment
2015-09-07 19:03:25	nickelpro	Combat event maybe?
2015-09-07 19:03:51	nickelpro	Time to get the ol' echo every packet plugin out again
2015-09-07 19:06:00	nickelpro	Or perhaps we just get sent an entity velocity with the client eid
2015-09-07 19:06:23	nickelpro	Haven't looked, just spit balling
2015-09-07 19:14:01	roblabla	Thinkofdeath> roblabla: isn't it just an entity velocity packet?
2015-09-07 19:16:28	roblabla	But I think we already handle it
2015-09-07 19:19:28	Gjum	You get a health update and combat event, and know the position of the entity that hit you
2015-09-07 19:20:50	Gjum	From that you should be able to calculate your movement
2015-09-07 19:29:59	nickelpro	Health Update could be anything, I think the Combat Event is the key
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2015-09-07 20:00:07	nickelpro	Nope, that ain't it, the Combat Event eid is only sent at the end of combat
2015-09-07 20:10:03	morfin	can player theoretically extist when disconnected?
2015-09-07 20:10:08	morfin	*exist
2015-09-07 20:11:41	morfin	i mean Entity, i was thinking about "hack" to force players fight to death 
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2015-09-07 20:16:43	nickelpro	roblabla, Gjum: I've done a lot of fiddling, there is no way to definitively identify an attacker when you are being attacked. The server only send you your attacker after some period of time when you're no longer engaged in combat with that entity. Knockback is done be recieving an entity velocity from the server with the Player's eid
2015-09-07 20:18:06	nickelpro	Like canidates for an attacker would be whoever just did a Swing Arm animation withing 4 blocks of you right before the start combat event/health update
2015-09-07 20:18:11	nickelpro	Likely*
2015-09-07 20:18:59	Gjum	Interesting
2015-09-07 20:19:44	morfin	what
2015-09-07 20:20:13	morfin	i thought do you mean client?
2015-09-07 20:20:22	morfin	so it does not know who attacked you
2015-09-07 20:20:59	nickelpro	morfin: correct, the client doesn't know who attackd it. In fact a malicious server could attack clients without ever having a valid entity
2015-09-07 20:21:48	nickelpro	Also who came up with the 1/8000 of a block unit for Entity Velocity? That seems right-ish but is it based on anything or just "feels good"?
2015-09-07 20:30:04	nickelpro	For anyone interested, here is a full log of all combat related packets. I took one swing at a client with a diamond sword. Everything after the initial swing until combat end is just health regeneration 
2015-09-07 20:30:06	nickelpro	http://hastebin.com/fudayovuvo.py
2015-09-07 20:30:20	morfin	hmmm
2015-09-07 20:30:28	morfin	but what's point to do that?
2015-09-07 20:31:05	nickelpro	morfin: What's your question exactly?
2015-09-07 20:31:19	morfin	"malicious server could attack clients without ever having a valid entity"
2015-09-07 20:31:31	morfin	what's point to do such thing
2015-09-07 20:31:43	nickelpro	What's ever the point of that sort of thing
2015-09-07 20:32:35	roblabla	the point is you can attack clients without being attacked yourself
2015-09-07 20:32:47	roblabla	think hacked clients :3
2015-09-07 20:33:01	morfin	but he said "server"
2015-09-07 20:33:28	nickelpro	Ya you'd need the server to play along, I'm pretty sure even vanilla enforces the "no interaction outside range" rule
2015-09-07 20:33:46	morfin	i guess client can't attack without attacking
2015-09-07 20:33:57	nickelpro	Oh no, it can
2015-09-07 20:34:06	morfin	?
2015-09-07 20:34:11	nickelpro	I don't think the swing animation is mandatory at all
2015-09-07 20:34:22	nickelpro	You just send an interact attack packet
2015-09-07 20:34:39	morfin	i meant attack player when server think it's not you attacked him)
2015-09-07 20:34:43	morfin	something liek that
2015-09-07 20:34:50	Gjum	^ nick is right
2015-09-07 20:35:19	Gjum	nick in your log there is combat evt
2015-09-07 20:35:26	nickelpro	Sure, but the server by default doesn't report the attacker to other clients until combat is over. So the point is moot, the server knows who your attacking but no one else does and the server won't do anything
2015-09-07 20:35:42	Gjum	So i suspect that tells you who hit you? !
2015-09-07 20:36:01	nickelpro	Gjum: Ya but it's just an "Enter Combat" event, you don't get the "End Combat" with the attacker eid until long after combat is over
2015-09-07 20:36:18	Gjum	Oh ok
2015-09-07 20:36:43	nickelpro	15-ish seconds according to the logs
2015-09-07 20:38:42	Gjum	Would be cool if sb looked that up in the actual Client code
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2015-09-07 21:31:20	Fenhl	that packet sounds like it might have been implemented for the (scrapped?) combat music thing
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2015-09-07 22:25:08	morfin	but you enter combat only when some creature or player attack you
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2015-09-08 02:57:50	dx	made a crappy minecraft client in C this weekend, for shits and giggles https://github.com/dequis/minecrap
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2015-09-08 03:02:20	nickelpro	I've done this too, on top of libuv. I am also a terrible programmer
2015-09-08 03:02:31	nickelpro	So it didn't work too good
2015-09-08 03:03:08	dx	i wasted waaaaay too much time getting serialization right
2015-09-08 03:03:39	dx	but i think implementing the rest of the packets i care about (in offline mode, without encryption) should be smooth
2015-09-08 03:07:03	dx	btw, i'm building packets by doing two passes, one to calculate the size, and another one to actually write to the socket
2015-09-08 03:07:16	dx	is that a sane way to do it? or will it bite me in the future?
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2015-09-08 03:12:09	nickelpro	dx: I just reallocated and moved the buffer but like I said, bad programmer
2015-09-08 03:12:26	dx	heheh
2015-09-08 03:12:32	dx	yeah that's exactly what i'm trying to avoid
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2015-09-08 03:12:59	+ammar2	 /* varargs are a list of pairs (type, value) */
2015-09-08 03:13:03	+ammar2	lik dis if u cri everitim
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2015-09-08 03:13:12	dx	ammar2: thanks ammar2
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2015-09-08 03:15:25	+ammar2	dx: I once tried to read without buffering
2015-09-08 03:15:29	+ammar2	that was really fun
2015-09-08 03:18:18	dx	ammar2: i still have some buffers because i want to move this to nonblocking sockets in an event loop (actually, it's probably nonblocking already and i'm doing IO wrong atm)
2015-09-08 03:18:55	+ammar2	dx: are you gonna use libevent
2015-09-08 03:19:09	dx	ammar2: nah glib's event loop
2015-09-08 03:22:23	dx	not sure if GIO can use other event loops (i'm using it to be lazy with the socket connection details)
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2015-09-08 06:44:03	nickelpro	Is the Player Abilities packet ever used for anything?
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2015-09-08 07:18:39	nickelpro	Ignore me I just screwed something up
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2015-09-08 12:10:14	rom15041	You'd need a /ignorewhenscrewup :p
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2015-09-08 14:50:35	Gjum	/z/z
2015-09-08 14:50:44	Gjum	umm, ignore that
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2015-09-08 20:26:07	Conji	Howdy folks.
2015-09-08 20:26:26	Conji	Grum: Sorry I didn't reply if you said anything. Something came up and I had to go out of town for a few days.
2015-09-08 20:27:14	Conji	But if there's any way you could inform me of how the chunk data packet is laid out in 1.9, that'd be great. I don't fully understand what the site is trying to relay.
2015-09-08 20:31:08	+Grum	should be documented now on the site
2015-09-08 20:32:17	Conji	It's documented but it's just confusing. :l
2015-09-08 20:32:48	Conji	Like possible block state IDs. What exactly does that mean?
2015-09-08 20:33:25	+Grum	I haven't read the documentation, i just explained it here and Fenhl said he documented it =D
2015-09-08 20:33:39	+Grum	so without context it would be hard to answer that question
2015-09-08 20:34:37	Conji	https://gist.github.com/19d87b03aeba4ffa19bc that's how he worded it.
2015-09-08 20:35:26	+Grum	an url would at least wrap it and make it readable :'(
2015-09-08 20:35:51	Conji	Yeah, gimme a sec. Working on that wrap :(
2015-09-08 20:36:19	+Grum	its ok, just read it
2015-09-08 20:36:39	+Grum	it's basically: size in bits; palette; raw data
2015-09-08 20:37:28	Conji	what exactly is the palette? 
2015-09-08 20:37:40	Conji	Because the raw data just seems to look like what it was in previous versions
2015-09-08 20:37:55	+Grum	previous versions being what?
2015-09-08 20:38:07	Conji	1.8 being a base
2015-09-08 20:38:28	Conji	the raw data just being (blockdata << 4) | metadata per block
2015-09-08 20:38:50	+Grum	yes, but now its just the palette
2015-09-08 20:38:59	+Grum	so a really limited amount of entries in that format
2015-09-08 20:39:43	+Grum	how many described in the varint before they appear
2015-09-08 20:42:02	Conji	Is there someone who has this already implemented in an open source repo?
2015-09-08 20:42:24	+Grum	it really is not a hard format, but what do you want to do with it?
2015-09-08 20:42:31	+Grum	actually understand the data? what is your goal?
2015-09-08 20:42:50	Conji	Use it as a base. Idk if it's just the fact that I just got off of work or what, but it's not clicking in my head.
2015-09-08 20:43:02	+Grum	you understand the concept of a palette?
2015-09-08 20:43:14	Conji	Not really. :(
2015-09-08 20:43:28	+Grum	such young users haha
2015-09-08 20:43:32	Conji	I've never had to use one before so it's relatively new to me.
2015-09-08 20:43:58	+Grum	it's quite a common technique from ye olden days to conserve space
2015-09-08 20:44:03	+Grum	usually used for images
2015-09-08 20:44:14	Conji	Yeah, I mainly deal with web backends and such.
2015-09-08 20:44:33	+Grum	imagine instead of having 256*256*256 colors, you just have 16
2015-09-08 20:44:49	+Grum	but you can pick each of the 16 colors (out of the 256*256*256 RGB)
2015-09-08 20:44:57	+Grum	that means you can make '16 color images'
2015-09-08 20:45:11	+Grum	and instead of having to store 3 bytes at every pixel, you just have to store 4 bits
2015-09-08 20:45:27	+Grum	the 4 bits would be able to reference to the 16 values
2015-09-08 20:45:30	Conji	Ok so here's what I'm understanding
2015-09-08 20:45:56	+Grum	but in a smaller way than referencing the data it references itself (4 bits vs 3 bytes in this case)
2015-09-08 20:46:09	Conji	There's a group of block IDs that appear in the chunk
2015-09-08 20:46:16	Conji	Well, block data that appears
2015-09-08 20:46:27	+Grum	the palette basically contains the 'unique blocks' in the 'following data'
2015-09-08 20:46:34	Conji	Then following the pallete, there's an array that points to the position in the palette
2015-09-08 20:46:48	+Grum	yes
2015-09-08 20:46:54	Conji	Ok that makes so much more sense.
2015-09-08 20:47:09	+Grum	so instead of having '16 bit' references, you get a 'X bit' reference which you can look up in the palette
2015-09-08 20:47:26	Conji	Yeah, it keeps the pallete then just reads the index as needed
2015-09-08 20:47:58	+Grum	yes, so convey this information to the client we need to send: "bitsize", "palette", "rawdata"
2015-09-08 20:48:12	Conji	So question, does air count as a block ID?
2015-09-08 20:48:18	+Grum	varint + varint (length) + lenght*varint, length+longs*length
2015-09-08 20:48:23	+Grum	yes
2015-09-08 20:48:26	Conji	Ok awesome.
2015-09-08 20:48:50	Conji	That clears up so much.
2015-09-08 20:48:56	+Grum	some formats (sizes of bits) do not have a palette, and they use the 'global palette' (like before) but they do not use 16 bits to represent the value, just 13 atm
2015-09-08 20:49:09	Conji	I'll keep that in mind.
2015-09-08 20:49:25	+Grum	oh could be the first one is a byte 
2015-09-08 20:49:35	+Grum	since it will never going to be big :p
2015-09-08 20:49:43	+Amaranth	13 bits? That doesn't seem worth the trouble
2015-09-08 20:50:00	+Grum	2k less data
2015-09-08 20:50:03	Conji	Yeah, but with each entry, it saves space in the long run
2015-09-08 20:50:12	Conji	3 bits * 10 entries
2015-09-08 20:50:15	Conji	That's 30 right there
2015-09-08 20:50:19	+Grum	3bits * 4k entries
2015-09-08 20:50:24	Conji	^^
2015-09-08 20:50:27	+Grum	4k entries in each chunk
2015-09-08 20:51:00	+Amaranth	Sure you could save a maximum of ~10MB per user but I would think the cost to parse it would outweigh that benefit
2015-09-08 20:51:11	+Grum	that is only on chunks with >256 unique states
2015-09-08 20:51:37	Conji	It wouldn't be hard to parse at all :v
2015-09-08 20:51:43	+Amaranth	It's rare so the memory saving doesn't matter and neither does the CPU usage for the memory saving :D
2015-09-08 20:52:15	+Grum	barely any cost involved for it, and i just set it up that it takes the minimum amounts of bits to represent  every entry in the global palette
2015-09-08 20:52:27	+Grum	which allows this system to be used for whatever the fuck amount of states you can think of
2015-09-08 20:53:22	+Amaranth	The larger your global entries the more unique entries are viable before you switch to them
2015-09-08 20:53:32	+Amaranth	So it's not quite just automatically doing the best thing :P
2015-09-08 20:53:43	+Amaranth	Unless you didn't make the 256 a hardcoded thing
2015-09-08 20:53:48	+Grum	it is now
2015-09-08 20:54:03	+Grum	its actually quite hard to get 256 states in a chunk :p
2015-09-08 20:54:15	+Amaranth	Redstone?
2015-09-08 20:54:32	+Amaranth	Oh yeah those states are only for rendering
2015-09-08 20:54:44	+Grum	they wont be
2015-09-08 20:55:06	+Grum	but even then, getting 256 in a single section (sorry, what you call section is what i call chunk)
2015-09-08 20:55:32	+Grum	this is per 16^3
2015-09-08 20:55:40	+Amaranth	Oh did you guys adopt the Chunk/ChunkStack terminology then?
2015-09-08 20:55:56	+Grum	no but that is how it works in my head =)
2015-09-08 20:58:34	+Grum	i should just rename them classes haha
2015-09-08 21:00:41	+Grum	anyhow. a lot of the chunks are <16; those take 2k+64bytes to store in raw data
2015-09-08 21:03:00	+Grum	5,6,7,8 bits are 2.8k/3.8k/5k/7k big
2015-09-08 21:03:28	+Grum	and 9+ 6.5k
2015-09-08 21:04:42	+Grum	oh wait, 3k/4k/5.5k/8k
2015-09-08 21:06:08	+Grum	anyhow, on average smaller than now :P
2015-09-08 21:06:09	+Grum	significantly
2015-09-08 21:06:46	+Grum	no world-gen chunks will use more than 64 -- so at minimum 50% less for sections that store data
2015-09-08 21:06:52	Fenhl	Conji: uh, where did you find that paste? I did not write that
2015-09-08 21:07:32	TkTech	Lies, the internet said you did
2015-09-08 21:07:56	Fenhl	I wrote http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Chunk_Section
2015-09-08 21:07:58	+Grum	http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Chunk_Data <-- that one is not up2date
2015-09-08 21:08:16	Conji	It's on the site :v
2015-09-08 21:08:23	Fenhl	…
2015-09-08 21:08:24	+Grum	hmm that is wrong btw
2015-09-08 21:08:31	+Grum	PaletteLenght is varint
2015-09-08 21:08:36	Fenhl	what's not up to date there?
2015-09-08 21:09:00	+Grum	ah no i see
2015-09-08 21:09:06	+Grum	the Palette Lenght is not correct
2015-09-08 21:09:22	+Grum	that is a varint iirc
2015-09-08 21:09:36	Fenhl	okay, you said byte last time, changed now
2015-09-08 21:09:44	+Grum	        buffer.writeVarInt(size); <-- quite sure
2015-09-08 21:09:49	+Grum	no byte is for the 'bitsize'
2015-09-08 21:10:05	Fenhl	the Bits Per Block field?
2015-09-08 21:10:05	+Grum	the very first bit of data
2015-09-08 21:10:10	+Grum	aye
2015-09-08 21:10:11	Fenhl	okay
2015-09-08 21:10:12	+Grum	that is a byte
2015-09-08 21:10:18	Fenhl	should be correct now
2015-09-08 21:10:29	+Grum	signed or not matters little in that case, values over 32 would be utterly pointless :p
2015-09-08 21:11:33	Fenhl	right, but a negative value even more so
2015-09-08 21:12:31	+Grum	true, but its written as signed byte :p
2015-09-08 21:12:50	Fenhl	implementation detail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015-09-08 21:13:33	Conji	So question.
2015-09-08 21:13:57	Fenhl	ah I see, it's on SMP Map Format
2015-09-08 21:14:08	Conji	It is recommended I palette the chunk data to conserve data, correct?
2015-09-08 21:14:23	Conji	Even though it IS optional to use 13 bits per block
2015-09-08 21:14:43	+Grum	you will just waste memory on the client
2015-09-08 21:14:48	Conji	Alright.
2015-09-08 21:15:09	Conji	_Whatever makes the client happy_
2015-09-08 21:15:24	+Grum	it makes the server happy to, it just sends its raw data ;)
2015-09-08 21:15:28	Fenhl	I'm going to remove pre-release info from that article and add a “see also” link to [[Pre-release protocol]] instead
2015-09-08 21:15:46	Conji	Well damn, entity metadata is also changed
2015-09-08 21:16:03	Conji	I find it funny I started this server with 1.7 and here I am trying to get it to work nicely with 1.9
2015-09-08 21:28:32	Conji	It says data array length is number of bytes divided by 8
2015-09-08 21:28:42	Conji	Shouldn't it be multiplied by 8 since it's bit length?
2015-09-08 21:48:39	Fenhl	no
2015-09-08 21:49:43	Fenhl	Data Array is an Array of Long internally
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2015-09-08 23:18:52	+Amaranth	Grum: With this new code you could get rid of the logic for not allocating empty full sun sections too
2015-09-08 23:19:11	+Amaranth	They'll take a few bytes vs zero but you won't have to deal with null checks everywhere
2015-09-08 23:20:42	+Amaranth	Hmm, I guess 512bytes is the smallest you could go there without special casing things inside the storage
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2015-09-09 00:41:57	+Thinkofdeath	Amaranth: well I tried rust, http://hastebin.com/jutilolavi.tex I can connect to servers in online mode at least.
2015-09-09 00:42:04	+Thinkofdeath	the code is horrible though
2015-09-09 00:42:21	+Amaranth	neat
2015-09-09 00:43:37	+Thinkofdeath	its really weird getting used to it
2015-09-09 00:44:31	+Amaranth	Thinkofdeath: https://github.com/PistonDevelopers/hematite_server/blob/master/src/packet.rs might be interesting to look at
2015-09-09 00:45:09	+Amaranth	Bit heavy on the magic there
2015-09-09 00:45:10	+Thinkofdeath	I looked at that for ideas
2015-09-09 00:45:41	+Thinkofdeath	Amaranth: https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/a8fa24856426299a6c3b
2015-09-09 00:46:31	+Thinkofdeath	when I realised macros existed I /may/ have gone over the top
2015-09-09 00:46:51	+Amaranth	hehe
2015-09-09 00:46:56	+Amaranth	You wrote your own OpenSSL binding?
2015-09-09 00:47:06	+Thinkofdeath	yeah the existing one was missing parts
2015-09-09 00:47:39	+Amaranth	I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I "tried" rust by implementing most of rust-sdl2 back in the day :D
2015-09-09 00:47:56	+Thinkofdeath	lol
2015-09-09 00:49:02	+Thinkofdeath	I do miss go's stdlib when using rust, not used to having to use external deps for things like crypto and zlib
2015-09-09 00:49:19	+Amaranth	Yeah, that's kind of on purpose
2015-09-09 00:49:40	+Amaranth	Back in the day the thought was that rust's stdlib would be batteries included but things just weren't ready
2015-09-09 00:49:50	+Amaranth	Now I think the plan is to not significantly expand the stdlib
2015-09-09 00:50:15	+Amaranth	Which is funny because in some ways C++ has a more fleshed out stdlib and they think theirs is too small
2015-09-09 00:50:45	+Thinkofdeath	hehe
2015-09-09 00:50:57	Fenhl	> thread 'protocol::test' panicked at 'TODO!'
2015-09-09 00:51:03	Fenhl	10/10
2015-09-09 00:51:33	+Thinkofdeath	Amaranth: oh since you know rust i'm I crazy or is there no easier way to do this https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/a8fa24856426299a6c3b#file-mod-rs-L176 it seems really long
2015-09-09 00:51:43	Fenhl	Thinkofdeath: there's an unimplemented! macro for this btw
2015-09-09 00:51:52	+Thinkofdeath	psh
2015-09-09 00:51:59	+Thinkofdeath	I just needed stdout to print
2015-09-09 00:52:29	Fenhl	huh?
2015-09-09 00:52:47	+Thinkofdeath	stdout doesn't when tests work
2015-09-09 00:53:06	+Thinkofdeath	I just hardcoded a panic as the first thing I did
2015-09-09 00:53:16	+Thinkofdeath	unimplemented would work too
2015-09-09 00:55:00	Fenhl	without having read most of the code, I don't see how that line requires all these type constraints
2015-09-09 00:55:30	Fenhl	if they are needed, Into and From are in the prelude so you don't need the convert:: prefix
2015-09-09 00:57:59	+Amaranth	I don't think you can use type for this but you could make a new trait that requires all of those, implement it for everything that satisfies those, and then just require your trait
2015-09-09 00:58:36	+Amaranth	pub trait Foo: Any + Whatever {} impl<T: Any + Whatever> Foo for T {}
2015-09-09 00:58:39	+Amaranth	I think that'll work
2015-09-09 00:59:05	+Thinkofdeath	https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/c43de2c2690e97595969 I realised that I only needed them on the impls that used them not on all of them
2015-09-09 00:59:22	+Thinkofdeath	Amaranth: that works?
2015-09-09 00:59:26	+Amaranth	Pretty sure
2015-09-09 01:01:05	+Amaranth	I'm doing something like that to do something ugly because of rust's lack of variadic generics
2015-09-09 01:02:12	+Thinkofdeath	it worked, thanks :)
2015-09-09 01:03:07	+Amaranth	Actually I guess I'd have to do this with or without variadic generics
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2015-09-09 02:53:19	Doxin	so I'm trying to implement a minecraft protocol parser in D, but I'm having trouble getting 0x00 handshake parsed. I keep having bytes left over and nextstate being invalid.
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2015-09-09 02:53:26	Doxin	see http://paste.pound-python.org/show/HGFp9qZmZs0F2htr1jAP/ for the code that's relevant
2015-09-09 02:53:32	Doxin	can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
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2015-09-09 03:02:07	roblabla	Doxin, your parseUshort is most likely wrong
2015-09-09 03:02:19	roblabla	you're parsing everything up 'till the port properly
2015-09-09 03:02:23	Doxin	right
2015-09-09 03:02:40	roblabla	the port is 99, 221, which equates to 25565
2015-09-09 03:02:47	Doxin	right
2015-09-09 03:02:58	Doxin	huh, it should be gobbling up two bytes...
2015-09-09 03:02:59	roblabla	yet your thing gives something off, so I suppose it's wrong. Can you post the code ?
2015-09-09 03:03:23	Doxin	sure
2015-09-09 03:03:42	Doxin	roblabla: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o0lmZ2grjvW58SIuhfEj/
2015-09-09 03:04:37	roblabla	right
2015-09-09 03:04:40	roblabla	I see the problem
2015-09-09 03:04:46	Doxin	:D
2015-09-09 03:04:47	Doxin	do tell!
2015-09-09 03:04:51	roblabla	Doxin, you forgot to increment offset in readString, didn't you ?
2015-09-09 03:05:00	Doxin	I very well did
2015-09-09 03:05:06	roblabla	:3
2015-09-09 03:05:41	roblabla	D looks fun
2015-09-09 03:05:58	Doxin	it is
2015-09-09 03:06:00	Doxin	it's awesome
2015-09-09 03:06:11	Doxin	it's what c++ should have been really
2015-09-09 03:06:17	roblabla	heh
2015-09-09 03:06:19	Doxin	ServerHandshake(47, "localhost", 56675, 1), that looks better, now to fix byte order :P
2015-09-09 03:06:31	roblabla	Heh, C++ should have been many things
2015-09-09 03:06:56	roblabla	and in a way, it did achieve being many things. That's not necessarely a good achievement :P
2015-09-09 03:07:01	Doxin	:P
2015-09-09 03:07:05	Doxin	ServerHandshake(47, "localhost", 25565, 1) there we go.
2015-09-09 03:07:09	roblabla	yay
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2015-09-09 03:29:30	+ammar2	there's actually a bunch of D fanatics in here
2015-09-09 03:29:45	+ammar2	*cough* dav1d Prf_Jakob 
2015-09-09 03:30:41	Doxin	neat-o
2015-09-09 03:42:35	Conji	Question just to verify. In the data array, each byte is an index of the palette, correct?
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2015-09-09 04:12:19	+XorBoole	did someone say D?
2015-09-09 04:17:14	+ammar2	not the D you like XorBoole 
2015-09-09 04:17:21	+ammar2	we're talking about the language
2015-09-09 04:23:04	dx	:D
2015-09-09 04:38:37	Conji	#rekt
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2015-09-09 08:19:48	+Grum	[23:18:40] <+Amaranth> Grum: With this new code you could get rid of the logic for not allocating empty full sun sections too <-- yeah perhaps later
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2015-09-09 12:09:53	+Thinkofdeath	Fenhl: finally got around to updating the packet ids http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol#Packets Not sure what you want to do with the packets on the page though
2015-09-09 12:11:39	Fenhl	I think I'm just going to remove packets which only changed ids
2015-09-09 12:12:01	Fenhl	and include the changed packet id in the remaining ones