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2015-07-07 11:15:48	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Toastedtruth to Server List Ping -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Server_List_Ping&diff=6682&oldid=6612
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2015-07-07 13:07:03	Fenhl	ammar2: you sure it's milliseconds since epoch? [[Server List Ping]] says it's client uptime
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2015-07-07 14:33:53	morfin	guys i had one silly question
2015-07-07 14:34:49	morfin	Minecraft asynchronously read data from socket for every session but does it handle packets sequentally?
2015-07-07 14:35:23	dav1d	I would assume so
2015-07-07 14:35:37	+Amaranth	For that one player yes
2015-07-07 14:36:42	+Amaranth	I don't remember the logic for how it decides what order to handle multiple players but it's not going to be in the order the packets arrived except by accident
2015-07-07 14:37:00	jast	the order is essentially undefined anyway
2015-07-07 14:37:09	morfin	for one player only
2015-07-07 14:37:18	morfin	i think it should be defined
2015-07-07 14:37:36	jast	sure, within a single connection the packets are handled in the order they were sent
2015-07-07 14:37:52	jast	this is actually enforced by TCP
2015-07-07 14:37:54	+ammar2	which isn't how games usually work 
2015-07-07 14:38:12	morfin	because otherwise it will be prroblematic to handle 0xFF in the time
2015-07-07 14:38:13	+ammar2	Fenhl: hold on, I'll go check
2015-07-07 14:38:28	+ammar2	wat
2015-07-07 14:38:38	jast	most netcode in games uses UDP, so there is implementation-specific logic to deal with out-of-order packets
2015-07-07 14:38:38	+Amaranth	jast: We're talking about minecraft packets, not TCP
2015-07-07 14:38:52	jast	last time I checked, minecraft used TCP
2015-07-07 14:39:07	morfin	only PE use UDP as i know
2015-07-07 14:39:12	+Amaranth	I can't tell if you're not getting it or fucking with me
2015-07-07 14:39:19	morfin	but i was talking about desktop one
2015-07-07 14:39:19	+ammar2	yeah but that doesn't necessarily imply that the internal queue for the packet processing is ordered in the same way as its receieved lol
2015-07-07 14:39:20	+Amaranth	TCP doesn't even _have_ packets
2015-07-07 14:39:25	jast	point is, TCP ensures data arrives in the order it is sent
2015-07-07 14:39:26	morfin	i know)
2015-07-07 14:39:37	+ammar2	(re: minecraft using tcp)
2015-07-07 14:39:40	jast	and if you transport packets on top of that, you have to jump through hoops the size of mars to get the order wrong
2015-07-07 14:39:41	morfin	i call it packets because it's complete pieces of message
2015-07-07 14:39:59	morfin	not so hard for me
2015-07-07 14:40:04	jast	okay, that metaphor sucked
2015-07-07 14:40:20	jast	hoops the size of the Greek budget
2015-07-07 14:40:21	morfin	i can async_read, push into io_service and handle "Packets" not sequentally )
2015-07-07 14:40:40	morfin	theoretically
2015-07-07 14:40:56	jast	suffice to say, it's not something one typically does by accident
2015-07-07 14:40:57	+Amaranth	You could process the most recent ones first and only handle the backlog when you have time
2015-07-07 14:41:10	jast	you have to receive the older data before you even get the newer data
2015-07-07 14:41:13	+Amaranth	There are things you could do to fuck this up :P
2015-07-07 14:41:18	+Amaranth	Minecraft used to do some of them
2015-07-07 14:41:31	jast	well the main fuck-up is using TCP in the first place
2015-07-07 14:41:40	morfin	don't forget there is shitloads of work except networking)
2015-07-07 14:41:42	+Amaranth	It used to have two queues for packets
2015-07-07 14:41:56	+ammar2	oh yeah the high priority qeueue
2015-07-07 14:41:58	+ammar2	*shudder
2015-07-07 14:42:11	morfin	UDP cause strange lags etc
2015-07-07 14:42:19	morfin	when you lose them
2015-07-07 14:42:34	+Amaranth	TCP cause strange lags when you miss them, UDP does whatever you programmed for that situation
2015-07-07 14:42:58	+Amaranth	With TCP you drop one packet and you've added a second of latency to your connection
2015-07-07 14:43:03	+ammar2	tcp aggravates situations when you miss packets >.>
2015-07-07 14:43:16	+Amaranth	That's head of line blocking for you
2015-07-07 14:43:27	jast	depending on how your protocol is implemented, you don't *need* all the packets sent by the other side
2015-07-07 14:43:47	morfin	you can look at SRCDS - it sends state frames to clients and if you lose some you will see what happens
2015-07-07 14:43:47	jast	and not necessarily in the right order, either
2015-07-07 14:44:02	+Amaranth	Sure dropping a packet always sucks
2015-07-07 14:44:06	+Amaranth	But it sucks harder with TCP
2015-07-07 14:44:09	+ammar2	uhh srcds handles packet loss perfectly fine
2015-07-07 14:44:29	+ammar2	it gets a bit jumpy but that's unavoidable
2015-07-07 14:44:41	+ammar2	you're literally dealing with missing information
2015-07-07 14:45:01	morfin	well, TCP will resend and increase traffic
2015-07-07 14:45:11	+Amaranth	Which makes it worse
2015-07-07 14:45:25	+Amaranth	Because if you interpolate when you're missing data then you're going to go back in time once you get it
2015-07-07 14:45:33	+Amaranth	But if you don't everything just freezes until you get it
2015-07-07 14:45:55	+ammar2	and you can't just not interpolate unless you want the worst rubberbanding exeprience ever
2015-07-07 14:46:37	+Amaranth	You're talking about interpolating the client's own position, I'm talking about everything else
2015-07-07 14:46:49	+Amaranth	MC gets around the first one by making the client rule where it is
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2015-07-07 16:18:01	AlphaBlend	i don't want to repeat what i askeed earlier, but i did ask a question about spectating another entity
2015-07-07 16:19:30	AlphaBlend	i've been running in circles for a few days trying to find what works perfectly for my staff (even moderators), and to make a better spectating system than we have currently, so that's why i turned to minecraft's camera system, which doesn't seem to work properly, and i want to know if i need to do something extra than just send the camera packet with the target entity ID to whomever I want to 
2015-07-07 16:19:30	AlphaBlend	spectate, like if it requires spectator mode or not
2015-07-07 16:21:33	+Thinkofdeath	pretty sure you need to be in spectator mode for it to work, also changing your gamemode whilst spectating causes issues too
2015-07-07 16:22:03	+Dinnerbone	A player needs to be in spectator mode or it'll deny the spectating
2015-07-07 16:26:30	AlphaBlend	i see
2015-07-07 16:26:34	AlphaBlend	thanks!
2015-07-07 16:29:49	Fenhl	ammar2: any results regarding the timestamp thing?
2015-07-07 16:37:47	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Server List Ping -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Server_List_Ping&diff=6683&oldid=6682
2015-07-07 16:43:13	+ammar2	Fenhl: hmm, it doesn't seem like its the client uptime but its not epoch ms either. Ping: 320600914, Ping: 320611022 is what I got even after restarting the client
2015-07-07 16:49:06	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Server List Ping -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Server_List_Ping&diff=6684&oldid=6682
2015-07-07 16:50:10	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6686&oldid=6680
2015-07-07 16:50:42	Fenhl	this should do for now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015-07-07 16:52:31	+Dinnerbone	It's the system's current time in ms.
2015-07-07 16:53:37	+ammar2	System.currentTimeMillis?
2015-07-07 16:55:11	Fenhl	current time since boot?
2015-07-07 16:55:36	+Dinnerbone	Actually no sorry my mistake, that was too vague
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2015-07-07 16:55:58	+Dinnerbone	It's *a* timer on that system, which counts in millis 
2015-07-07 16:56:12	+Dinnerbone	When it started is arbitrary, depending on factors (mostly OS)
2015-07-07 16:56:19	Fenhl	hm okay
2015-07-07 16:57:01	 *	Fenhl goes and updates the articles yet again
2015-07-07 16:57:06	+Dinnerbone	It used to do "now time - the time the server replied with" to get ping, which was silly, and people would shave a few numbers off (obviously) to make their server look more attractive
2015-07-07 16:57:50	+Dinnerbone	It doesn't need to send it now, but compatibility. It's just an arbitrary token that you should reply back with.
2015-07-07 16:58:06	Fenhl	yeah we got that part
2015-07-07 17:01:24	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Server List Ping -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Server_List_Ping&diff=6688&oldid=6684
2015-07-07 17:01:26	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6687&oldid=6680
2015-07-07 17:02:20	Fenhl	do current servers still correctly respond to server list ping from back in Beta 1.8?
2015-07-07 17:03:20	Fenhl	Beta 1.8 clients, that is. The article prior to my edits implied that but the desctiption of the protocol seems a bit off/not backwards compatible
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2015-07-07 17:21:35	SopaXT	I wrote a webapp to check MC/MCPE servers
2015-07-07 17:21:39	SopaXT	https://github.com/SopaXorzTaker/gamecheck
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2015-07-07 17:21:48	SopaXT	Be careful, python code.
2015-07-07 17:25:26	winny	SopaXT: is that the code you wanted reviewed in #python
2015-07-07 17:25:33	SopaXT	Yep
2015-07-07 17:25:38	SopaXT	It is
2015-07-07 17:27:01	winny	mind if i'm a little brutal
2015-07-07 17:28:14	+ammar2	no he doesn't :^)
2015-07-07 17:28:24	winny	SopaXT: ^
2015-07-07 17:28:27	winny	:^)
2015-07-07 17:28:43	SopaXT	Okay :D
2015-07-07 17:29:19	SopaXT	Brb
2015-07-07 17:29:44	winny	you could use the api in your html pages btw, so one doesn't have to load another page
2015-07-07 17:30:10	winny	in order to keep structure you might want to checkout a js framework like angular, but imo it doesn't matter for such a small project
2015-07-07 17:30:29	winny	another point in the HTML, is that for html5 you don't need to have a root html element
2015-07-07 17:30:37	winny	but that's aesthetic
2015-07-07 17:31:06	winny	and for your /check route, consider using a template with jinja2
2015-07-07 17:31:23	winny	that way your view logic is divorced from your business logic
2015-07-07 17:31:39	winny	i have a (related) example app
2015-07-07 17:31:48	winny	oh
2015-07-07 17:31:50	winny	i'm being daft
2015-07-07 17:31:54	winny	you know what you're doing
2015-07-07 17:31:59	winny	disregard the part about templates
2015-07-07 17:33:39	winny	catching Exception or BaseException is really bad in general
2015-07-07 17:33:57	winny	you will mask errors that you may have intended to either recover from otherwise or just not anticipated
2015-07-07 17:34:50	+ammar2	winny: where is he doing that?
2015-07-07 17:35:38	winny	in quite a few places
2015-07-07 17:35:44	+ammar2	usually its only bad if you eat up the exception, over here its reraised/displayed in some way
2015-07-07 17:35:49	+ammar2	so I don't see it being too much of a concern
2015-07-07 17:35:51	winny	oh yeah
2015-07-07 17:35:56	winny	still it's ew :P
2015-07-07 17:36:14	winny	but like you said functionally irrelevant here
2015-07-07 17:37:26	+ammar2	I personally think his code is a bit too split up, like I don't see a good reason to seperate the pinging logic into seperate files when they're so simple and short
2015-07-07 17:37:38	winny	yeah i kind of agree
2015-07-07 17:37:38	+ammar2	or maybe I'm just biased because I'm viewing it on github
2015-07-07 17:37:56	winny	i think it's excessive having classes for everything
2015-07-07 17:38:31	winny	there are a few talks on python class design and when not to use classes -- basically you should only use a class if (1) you have state (2) you have operations that work on said state
2015-07-07 17:39:09	winny	that's cool, never seen abc used before
2015-07-07 17:40:06	winny	like these classes that contain only static methods are usually a bad idea since they're namespaced by module anyway
2015-07-07 17:42:51	winny	not sure but the mc serverlist ping in this implementation won't work with <1.7
2015-07-07 17:44:43	+ammar2	winny: I think most people don't use abc because it was only added in 2.6
2015-07-07 17:44:59	+ammar2	so if you're trying to go for 2.x coverage, nope
2015-07-07 17:45:21	winny	SopaXT: the biggest thing you can do here is add a requirements.txt and setup.py, and move your entire project into a subdir of the same name, and add a readme
2015-07-07 17:45:39	winny	there is a good article about project layout but i can't find it atm :c
2015-07-07 17:45:44	winny	ammar2: oh that makes sense
2015-07-07 17:45:52	winny	tbh i usually target 3.x
2015-07-07 17:46:02	winny	though most of my code is 2.7 compat
2015-07-07 17:46:09	+ammar2	I still have a habit of just raising NotImplementedError
2015-07-07 17:46:20	winny	oh i do that while prototyping
2015-07-07 17:46:23	winny	it's a good idea
2015-07-07 17:46:27	winny	is that missing from 3.x?
2015-07-07 17:46:59	+ammar2	nope
2015-07-07 17:47:08	+ammar2	its been in every version from like 1.5.something
2015-07-07 17:47:28	winny	oh good
2015-07-07 17:48:33	winny	SopaXT: in all fairness your code is much better than my php implementation
2015-07-07 17:48:36	winny	because php sucks
2015-07-07 17:48:54	winny	https://github.com/winny-/mcstat
2015-07-07 17:49:54	winny	kudos for not putting code in __init__.py
2015-07-07 17:50:32	winny	SopaXT: read this http://blog.habnab.it/blog/2013/07/21/python-packages-and-you/
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2015-07-07 17:51:52	winny	SopaXT: this discusses about classes vs functions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9pEzgHorH0
2015-07-07 17:52:09	winny	(when to best use one or the other)
2015-07-07 17:52:15	winny	fun talk too c:
2015-07-07 17:52:32	winny	if you have any other questions about your code please ask lol
2015-07-07 17:52:39	winny	sorry kind of spammed the channel
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2015-07-07 17:55:32	shoghicp	winny: do you know about or lord and saviour PocketMine? It's written in the language of gods, PHP
2015-07-07 17:55:53	winny	:o no and it sounds scary (phphphphphphp)
2015-07-07 17:56:02	+ammar2	shoghicp: life is written in php
2015-07-07 17:56:02	winny	it's a proxy right
2015-07-07 17:56:09	+ammar2	full blown server iirc
2015-07-07 17:56:13	+ammar2	:^)
2015-07-07 17:56:21	winny	neat (bleh php)
2015-07-07 17:56:55	shoghicp	code that initializes everything to get something usable everywhere else: https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/src/pocketmine/PocketMine.php
2015-07-07 17:57:04	shoghicp	> Startup code. Do not look at it, it may harm you.
2015-07-07 17:58:01	winny	ew tabs for indents
2015-07-07 17:58:03	+ammar2	first line, safe_var_dump
2015-07-07 17:58:08	+ammar2	10/10
2015-07-07 17:58:22	winny	lmao
2015-07-07 17:58:30	shoghicp	did you know that doing var_dump crashes the server due to thread safety?
2015-07-07 17:58:43	shoghicp	neither did I
2015-07-07 17:58:54	winny	what does \ do prefixing a method call?
2015-07-07 17:58:54	shoghicp	also dummy() {
2015-07-07 17:59:01	winny	is that like a more evil @
2015-07-07 17:59:03	shoghicp	winny: global namespace
2015-07-07 17:59:08	winny	oh lol
2015-07-07 17:59:08	shoghicp	it's using namespaces
2015-07-07 17:59:17	winny	wait
2015-07-07 17:59:34	winny	so namespacing affects the scope of globals?
2015-07-07 17:59:41	shoghicp	no, constants
2015-07-07 17:59:46	shoghicp	and functions
2015-07-07 17:59:48	shoghicp	and classes
2015-07-07 17:59:59	shoghicp	not global variables which are bad
2015-07-07 18:00:17	shoghicp	you don't need the \ at the start
2015-07-07 18:00:22	winny	oh okay
2015-07-07 18:00:24	shoghicp	but sometimes the IDE adds it
2015-07-07 18:00:25	winny	gotcha
2015-07-07 18:00:34	winny	i mean global functions whatever
2015-07-07 18:00:47	winny	this is a painful read
2015-07-07 18:00:50	shoghicp	anyway, if you want to look at code that looks nice go to a different file
2015-07-07 18:01:09	+Thinkofdeath	but they all end in .php
2015-07-07 18:01:19	winny	:^)
2015-07-07 18:01:33	shoghicp	rename them to .tod and change .php in the auto loader :)
2015-07-07 18:01:39	winny	namespaces are crap anyway
2015-07-07 18:01:44	winny	:^)
2015-07-07 18:01:48	shoghicp	winny: not if you have plugins
2015-07-07 18:02:00	shoghicp	because people will find a way to collide all of their classes
2015-07-07 18:02:19	shoghicp	namespaces are like java packages :P
2015-07-07 18:02:21	winny	oh right because php
2015-07-07 18:02:41	shoghicp	it's like every other language, C++ also has namespaces
2015-07-07 18:03:41	winny	any language that doesn't namespace files as a unit
2015-07-07 18:04:58	shoghicp	anyway, MCPE code is worse than that file sometimes :P
2015-07-07 18:06:12	winny	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Demeter
2015-07-07 18:06:38	+ammar2	all code is bad :)
2015-07-07 18:06:57	winny	true
2015-07-07 18:07:24	winny	defenestrate all the things !
2015-07-07 18:07:33	winny	tbh i haven't played mc in like half a year
2015-07-07 18:07:42	winny	is it even worth playing anymore
2015-07-07 18:08:08	+ammar2	half? last time I played minecraft properly was when pistons came out :|
2015-07-07 18:09:30	winny	:o
2015-07-07 18:09:53	winny	the best part is winning the game with minimal guesswork
2015-07-07 18:10:00	winny	like using a stronghold locator
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2015-07-07 18:55:12	+Amaranth	shoghicp: Doesn't the \ hint to the interpreter that it can skip straight to the global level for the lookup?
2015-07-07 18:55:26	shoghicp	that as well :)
2015-07-07 18:55:53	shoghicp	so it's faster, that's one of the transformations done when converting the source tree to a .phar
2015-07-07 18:56:14	shoghicp	also has a cpp step :P
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2015-07-07 18:57:22	shoghicp	example, https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/9e4d88a85260999dba49add87dc1c800aed75639/src/pocketmine/network/protocol/PlayStatusPacket.php
2015-07-07 18:57:26	shoghicp	#include <rules/DataPacket.h>
2015-07-07 18:58:30	+Amaranth	*shudder*
2015-07-07 18:59:24	shoghicp	:P https://github.com/PocketMine/PreProcessor/blob/master/rules/Binary.h
2015-07-07 18:59:46	shoghicp	also I know about elif, but that broke something else
2015-07-07 19:00:33	--	r04r est maintenant connu sous le nom zz_r04r
2015-07-07 19:00:46	shoghicp	anyway, let's not discuss hacky things :P
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2015-07-07 19:49:10	olivervscreeper	Is there a list somewhere of the minimum packets needed to keep a connection alive?
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2015-07-07 20:10:33	+ammar2	olivervscreeper: pretty much just doing the full log in and sending keep alive packets works fine iirc
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2015-07-07 20:57:59	SopaXT	back
2015-07-07 20:58:07	SopaXT	winny, you made me vomit
2015-07-07 20:58:25	SopaXT	That is abuse of PHP
2015-07-07 20:58:40	SopaXT	shoghicp, this covers pocketmine too
2015-07-07 20:58:48	SopaXT	Why not write it in java?
2015-07-07 20:59:02	SopaXT	It is fast and reliable (java
2015-07-07 20:59:44	dx	SopaXT confirmed for troll attempting to start language flamewar
2015-07-07 20:59:56	SopaXT	Nope.
2015-07-07 20:59:57	dx	poor attempt though
2015-07-07 21:00:00	dx	try harder next time
2015-07-07 21:00:13	SopaXT	PHP is not for servers, it is for dynamic web apps
2015-07-07 21:00:29	SopaXT	That is all I wanted to say, lol
2015-07-07 21:00:29	dx	i'm not defending his usage of php
2015-07-07 21:00:55	winny	i chose php as a joke and it turned out to have an actual use case
2015-07-07 21:00:59	SopaXT	Using Java would be more reasonable, thoug
2015-07-07 21:01:02	winny	i'm serious lol
2015-07-07 21:01:13	dx	winny: i like you
2015-07-07 21:01:17	winny	:D
2015-07-07 21:01:18	SopaXT	winny, I chose python.
2015-07-07 21:01:26	+ammar2	dx, I choose you!
2015-07-07 21:01:28	winny	yeah python is a great choice for all sane things
2015-07-07 21:01:28	SopaXT	Also, want to laugh hard
2015-07-07 21:01:40	dx	pikapikapikapika
2015-07-07 21:01:40	winny	i wouldn't write something in java ever
2015-07-07 21:01:42	winny	lol
2015-07-07 21:01:49	winny	unless i was getting paid
2015-07-07 21:01:55	+ammar2	why not
2015-07-07 21:02:30	SopaXT	Guys, you gonna cry when you see this: https://github.com/SopaXorzTaker/irc-server
2015-07-07 21:03:00	winny	unsightly language requires a lot of boilerplate and private members unavailaible from subclasses pretty much makes it useless to do anything without writing an interface for every type of object you need
2015-07-07 21:03:05	dav1d	echo "[CRITICAL] Unable to find the pthreads extension." . PHP_EOL;
2015-07-07 21:03:07	dav1d	nice logging
2015-07-07 21:03:09	SopaXT	also this https://github.com/SopaXorzTaker/2dexplore
2015-07-07 21:03:22	SopaXT	I was 10 at the time of writing these
2015-07-07 21:03:22	shoghicp	dav1d: no logger set yet!
2015-07-07 21:03:35	dx	is PHP_EOL a constant for the date in which php will be discontinued?
2015-07-07 21:03:52	shoghicp	SopaXT: pocketmine was never intended to be like this, but people wanted it
2015-07-07 21:04:02	dx	when is 10?
2015-07-07 21:04:13	shoghicp	you are free to use the protocol info I dump there
2015-07-07 21:04:27	shoghicp	also, other server software devs get access to a private repo
2015-07-07 21:04:38	shoghicp	which has details for the next version
2015-07-07 21:04:40	+ammar2	dx: yes its set to Date.MAX
2015-07-07 21:04:46	+ammar2	because php will never end
2015-07-07 21:04:47	shoghicp	so they can update :)
2015-07-07 21:04:52	+ammar2	php is life
2015-07-07 21:05:05	dx	ammar2: life ends though
2015-07-07 21:05:15	winny	i'm gunna quote you ammar2 
2015-07-07 21:05:18	winny	'php is life'
2015-07-07 21:05:23	shoghicp	its original purpose was to document the protocol and help to reverse-engineer it
2015-07-07 21:05:35	shoghicp	I would say I made that happen :)
2015-07-07 21:05:37	dav1d	then shit it the fan
2015-07-07 21:05:40	+ammar2	dx: php will live on
2015-07-07 21:05:44	dav1d	*hit
2015-07-07 21:05:46	+ammar2	even when everything is dead
2015-07-07 21:05:54	+ammar2	did you know that php can reverse entropy
2015-07-07 21:05:59	dx	nice
2015-07-07 21:06:02	dav1d	You cannot kill PHP, PHP kills you
2015-07-07 21:06:15	dx	php confirmed to be better than cockroaches
2015-07-07 21:06:18	SopaXT	shoghicp, pocketmine servers make me cry
2015-07-07 21:06:33	shoghicp	then stop complaining and get something working
2015-07-07 21:06:39	SopaXT	They could be faster and have lesser bugs
2015-07-07 21:06:54	shoghicp	your attitude won't improve the community
2015-07-07 21:06:55	SopaXT	Ok, I am a stupid consumer.
2015-07-07 21:07:24	shoghicp	Also seems like you just hate it
2015-07-07 21:07:31	winny	php is one of the few language runtimes to support date as beattime
2015-07-07 21:07:34	winny	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
2015-07-07 21:07:35	SopaXT	No, I don't!
2015-07-07 21:07:47	winny	why do you ask, because php is a running joke
2015-07-07 21:07:51	shoghicp	people really tested it and found it really performant
2015-07-07 21:08:15	SopaXT	I bet a Java implementation would be faster.
2015-07-07 21:08:16	dx	yeah, despite his terrible choice of language, shoghicp is a very smart guy, he certainly got the best out of php.
2015-07-07 21:08:34	dav1d	SopaXT: then make one
2015-07-07 21:08:39	 *	shoghicp uses less memory, supports more players on a CPU than java, etc.
2015-07-07 21:08:39	+ammar2	seriously, stop harassing him over it
2015-07-07 21:08:40	SopaXT	I like P/M, I hate PHP
2015-07-07 21:08:42	winny	oh no i'm not making fun of shoghicp's wonderful work
2015-07-07 21:08:50	+ammar2	its fine as some circlejerky jokes but gawd
2015-07-07 21:08:50	winny	i'm just making fun of php, i use it too, seriously
2015-07-07 21:08:52	+ammar2	realx
2015-07-07 21:09:01	+ammar2	realx.
2015-07-07 21:09:03	winny	lol
2015-07-07 21:09:05	winny	relax i think
2015-07-07 21:09:06	+ammar2	yes that's what we should do
2015-07-07 21:09:08	dx	realx.
2015-07-07 21:09:08	SopaXT	Okay, I will stop flaming
2015-07-07 21:09:09	+ammar2	no no
2015-07-07 21:09:10	+ammar2	realx
2015-07-07 21:09:10	shoghicp	I know that PHP is not the best tool for this job :)
2015-07-07 21:09:16	dav1d	let's realx guys
2015-07-07 21:09:20	winny	it's a tool tho
2015-07-07 21:09:23	winny	c:
2015-07-07 21:09:25	+ammar2	shoghicp: bby ur the best tool for this job ;)
2015-07-07 21:09:28	dx	fucking realx jesus christ WHY DON'T YOU REALX
2015-07-07 21:09:33	shoghicp	:D
2015-07-07 21:09:35	winny	lmao
2015-07-07 21:09:35	dav1d	I find PocketMine impressive
2015-07-07 21:09:35	SopaXT	Sorry, shoghicp, I really dod not think before saying that. :P
2015-07-07 21:09:53	SopaXT	PocketMine is nice, I agree
2015-07-07 21:09:54	winny	i'm sure that server is p impressive
2015-07-07 21:10:02	dav1d	I would have probably killed myself if I wrote that
2015-07-07 21:10:03	shoghicp	anyway, you will be happy to know that in the future prts of PocketMine will move to C++
2015-07-07 21:10:04	winny	never ran it, but it obviously is the best choice
2015-07-07 21:10:05	dav1d	but hey I didnt
2015-07-07 21:10:17	winny	oh yay
2015-07-07 21:10:26	winny	to be honest you should stick to php then :^)
2015-07-07 21:10:31	shoghicp	while having PHP for plugins and developers that want to use that part
2015-07-07 21:10:35	winny	(personal opinion)
2015-07-07 21:11:07	shoghicp	anyway, got to see this movie!
2015-07-07 21:11:09	dav1d	shoghicp: can you just move over? I mean there is so much work already in it, that catching up with the current state would take a really long time
2015-07-07 21:11:12	winny	have fun there
2015-07-07 21:11:49	shoghicp	dav1d: I can move parts, starting with network (RakNet won't be used in the future)
2015-07-07 21:11:54	shoghicp	o/
2015-07-07 21:11:56	dav1d	ah
2015-07-07 21:11:59	dav1d	mh yeah
2015-07-07 21:12:06	dav1d	hf at your movie
2015-07-07 21:12:24	SopaXT	shoghicp, I should really update the info on wiki dot vg
2015-07-07 21:12:46	dx	anyway as we were saying, php can reverse entropy
2015-07-07 21:12:59	dav1d	can php solve P=NP?
2015-07-07 21:13:27	dav1d	(I guess every turing complete language could do that)
2015-07-07 21:13:44	SopaXT	shoghicp, wait (missed), you will rewrite it in C++? Then be careful about buffer overflow vulnerabilities.
2015-07-07 21:13:54	dav1d	oO
2015-07-07 21:14:02	dx	...
2015-07-07 21:14:17	dx	SopaXT: just, you know, be quiet
2015-07-07 21:14:56	dx	that comment screams "i've never touched c/c++"
2015-07-07 21:15:23	+ammar2	dav1d: yeah, $p = 0; $n = 0; $42 = $p === $p * $n;
2015-07-07 21:15:25	+ammar2	ez
2015-07-07 21:15:33	dav1d	omg
2015-07-07 21:15:35	dav1d	that's GENIUS
2015-07-07 21:16:16	+ammar2	dx: gotta be careful from that infamous hacker 4chan :^)))
2015-07-07 21:16:22	SopaXT	I have actually
2015-07-07 21:16:35	dx	either way, shoghicp is not a retard
2015-07-07 21:16:42	SopaXT	But that is damaging my reputation when I talk about it
2015-07-07 21:16:57	SopaXT	And BTW, anyone admin at WikiVG?
2015-07-07 21:17:11	SopaXT	I have forgot my password and did not set email
2015-07-07 21:17:16	dav1d	#rekt
2015-07-07 21:17:32	+ammar2	SopaXT: poke TkTech 
2015-07-07 21:18:34	SopaXT	You have did this for me just now xD
2015-07-07 21:19:17	Fenhl	what is even
2015-07-07 21:19:31	+ammar2	or Sadimusi apparently but he doesn't hang around anymore :(
2015-07-07 21:19:31	 *	Fenhl scrolls
2015-07-07 21:19:55	Fenhl	no really, what are you people on about
2015-07-07 21:20:10	+ammar2	we were making fun of you behind your back
2015-07-07 21:20:13	+ammar2	duh
2015-07-07 21:20:44	SopaXT	I have found the reason why MCPE 0.10.x servers do not show as local in 0.11.0, there is a new info string format
2015-07-07 21:20:58	dx	Fenhl: i was complaining about your lack of omnipresence lately
2015-07-07 21:21:16	Fenhl	in which of the channels?
2015-07-07 21:21:40	dx	Fenhl: that's the problem. it's only *some* channels, and not every single one of them.
2015-07-07 21:21:51	+ammar2	oh this is a major problem
2015-07-07 21:21:53	Fenhl	ooh I see
2015-07-07 21:21:55	+ammar2	you should work on it
2015-07-07 21:22:15	Fenhl	/join #*
2015-07-07 21:22:20	Fenhl	:(
2015-07-07 21:22:41	Fenhl	7.8/10 no glob support, better switch to Slack
2015-07-07 21:22:42	dx	there's someone called [42] there
2015-07-07 21:23:32	SopaXT	Old info string: "MCCPP;Demo;<name>", new is "MCPE;<name>;<protocol ver>;<mcpe ver>;<players>;<maxplayers>"
2015-07-07 21:24:17	SopaXT	My server checker does not support the old format
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2015-07-07 22:29:16	Aragas	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58476180/wowoh.png du u laek mani scrins?
2015-07-07 22:29:57	+ammar2	60 fps? but the human eye can't see more than 24!!
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2015-07-07 22:31:44	Aragas	60 fps can't melt steel beams
2015-07-07 22:32:01	+AndrewPH	sure it can
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2015-07-07 22:33:08	Aragas	four fully separate clients
2015-07-07 22:34:44	Aragas	wanted to do deferred rendering, but now i'm havin' fun with splitscreens
2015-07-07 22:35:19	+ammar2	oh so that's what it was
2015-07-07 22:35:24	+ammar2	I just thought you were bad at rendering
2015-07-07 22:35:50	Aragas	nah, that's too
2015-07-07 22:37:07	dav1d	ha
2015-07-07 22:37:15	dav1d	that looks like old screenshots of brala :D
2015-07-07 22:38:29	+ammar2	dav1d: pftt that's like the only screenshots of brala that exist >.>
2015-07-07 22:38:39	+ammar2	gib prettier screenshots pls
2015-07-07 22:38:57	dav1d	https://camo.githubusercontent.com/733e6300e2f2183a9a5bd1bf48257d39254b490e/68747470733a2f2f7261772e6769746875622e636f6d2f77696b692f446176316464652f4272614c612f73637265656e73686f74732f6272616c615f30332e706e67
2015-07-07 22:38:59	dav1d	:o
2015-07-07 22:39:02	dav1d	ammar2: ^
2015-07-07 22:39:08	dav1d	I had basically all blocks
2015-07-07 22:39:49	+ammar2	dav1d: lighting where :(
2015-07-07 22:40:02	dav1d	I was working on physics and lighting before I stopped on it :o
2015-07-07 22:40:14	Aragas	Nope, mah screens should be better. I handle current sunlight, based on time. I'm just too lazy to color leaves and grass. And implement textures :DDD
2015-07-07 22:40:36	+ammar2	Aragas: well stop chatting and get back to work
2015-07-07 22:40:41	+ammar2	we don't pay you to talk
2015-07-07 22:40:41	dav1d	^
2015-07-07 22:40:48	Aragas	:DDDD
2015-07-07 22:41:03	dav1d	how do you handle sunlight? in the shader I guess? 
2015-07-07 22:41:04	dav1d	mh
2015-07-07 22:41:10	Aragas	Yes
2015-07-07 22:41:19	dav1d	should be really easy actually
2015-07-07 22:41:21	dav1d	Aragas: what language?
2015-07-07 22:41:33	Aragas	can give you hlsl code, if you want
2015-07-07 22:41:40	dav1d	oh direct x :p
2015-07-07 22:41:45	dav1d	*d3d
2015-07-07 22:41:49	Aragas	nope. opengl with translator
2015-07-07 22:41:51	Aragas	lol
2015-07-07 22:42:04	dav1d	why?
2015-07-07 22:42:22	Aragas	I'm using monogame. It translates hlsl, dunno why they gont use opengl shaders
2015-07-07 22:42:28	dav1d	ahhh
2015-07-07 22:42:58	dav1d	I think SirCmpwn was working on something with monogame when he was still here 
2015-07-07 22:43:17	Aragas	Actually, not anymore
2015-07-07 22:43:43	Aragas	they are writing their own monogame
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2015-07-07 22:44:06	Aragas	not sure why, it's really stupid
2015-07-07 22:44:25	+ammar2	lol I like his description of the truecraft repo
2015-07-07 22:44:26	+ammar2	"Minecraft for hipsters"
2015-07-07 22:44:32	+ammar2	that describes it really well
2015-07-07 22:44:55	dav1d	Aragas: stairs will be fun :p
2015-07-07 22:45:12	Aragas	Guess they have fps problems. Saw their screen, debug info says truecraft draws 14 million vertices
2015-07-07 22:45:31	dav1d	WAIT
2015-07-07 22:45:35	dav1d	he actually still works on it
2015-07-07 22:45:55	Aragas	yes, it is not bad
2015-07-07 22:46:01	dav1d	holy shit
2015-07-07 22:46:04	dav1d	it is really good
2015-07-07 22:46:28	Aragas	They haven't optimized drawing
2015-07-07 22:46:37	Aragas	10 sec
2015-07-07 22:47:39	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6689&oldid=6687
2015-07-07 22:48:05	Aragas	TrueCraft is drawing 14 million vertices by consuming 74 chunks
2015-07-07 22:48:16	+ammar2	Fenhl: that works?!?!
2015-07-07 22:48:28	Aragas	I'm drawing 8 million vertices by consimung 441 chunks
2015-07-07 22:48:36	+ammar2	Aragas: good job
2015-07-07 22:48:46	+ammar2	but are you rendering everything
2015-07-07 22:48:51	dav1d	that sounds wrong
2015-07-07 22:49:13	dav1d	you either render good or you render shiity
2015-07-07 22:49:20	dav1d	rendering shitty makes no sense
2015-07-07 22:49:24	Aragas	Nope. final versio should use ~ 10-12 vertices. If i only draw all Visible blocks..
2015-07-07 22:49:26	Aragas	10 sec
2015-07-07 22:49:29	dav1d	so i dont believe that
2015-07-07 22:49:40	dav1d	you only render visible faces, which is not hard to check at all
2015-07-07 22:50:15	dav1d	took me a while to figure out the corner cases (especially since % negative numbers doesn't do the same as in python ...)
2015-07-07 22:50:53	Aragas	i render only visible blocks that have light. If i render non-lightened block i'll get 15 millions
2015-07-07 22:51:17	dav1d	like 80 lines of code, if you dont optimize it's like 50-60
2015-07-07 22:52:20	Aragas	15 millions is lightened and non-lightened
2015-07-07 22:52:25	Aragas	are*
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2015-07-07 22:53:26	dav1d	lol
2015-07-07 22:53:37	dav1d	I found code I cant remember I wrote
2015-07-07 22:55:39	Aragas	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58476180/ohwowwow.png
2015-07-07 22:55:53	Aragas	is it shitty?
2015-07-07 22:58:14	dav1d	shitty is you render non visible faces like chunkborders or simply hidden blocks
2015-07-07 22:58:22	dav1d	so it isnt
2015-07-07 22:58:38	dav1d	Aragas: do you rely on the light values sent by the server?
2015-07-07 22:58:48	Aragas	yes
2015-07-07 22:59:34	Aragas	implementing occulision culling will reduce vertices
2015-07-07 22:59:39	dav1d	so is this going to be a renderer or an actual client?
2015-07-07 23:00:14	dav1d	meh
2015-07-07 23:00:19	dav1d	didnt even bother with stuff like that
2015-07-07 23:00:22	dav1d	frustum culling
2015-07-07 23:00:38	dav1d	I rendered everything in ~5ms at a 12 chunk radius
2015-07-07 23:00:45	dav1d	in a jungle
2015-07-07 23:00:47	morfin	)
2015-07-07 23:00:55	dav1d	that's ~200fps
2015-07-07 23:00:55	+ammar2	seconds per frame
2015-07-07 23:00:57	+ammar2	mmmyes
2015-07-07 23:00:58	Aragas	It works with android, so drawing is expensive
2015-07-07 23:01:11	dav1d	on a 560ti
2015-07-07 23:01:17	Fenhl	ammar2: sure, why wouldn't it?
2015-07-07 23:01:20	 *	dav1d should try the 970
2015-07-07 23:01:30	+ammar2	Fenhl: I don't know! Just never tried it
2015-07-07 23:02:24	Fenhl	it's how you can get info about a 1.7+ server with a 1.6 client
2015-07-07 23:02:34	Aragas	I'll say current renderer is temporarily. I'll write a better vertices builder and do deferred lightning
2015-07-07 23:02:52	+ammar2	yeah that makes sense, just never really thought about it
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2015-07-07 23:03:14	Aragas	i'm curious how deferred will work on minecraft
2015-07-07 23:03:23	dav1d	yeah I just got everything together for the deferred renderer
2015-07-07 23:03:24	+ammar2	there was a lot of arguing and shouting around here over the state of the ping a few years ago
2015-07-07 23:03:25	Fenhl	if it doesn't actually work with the Notchian server anymore, feel free to fix that part
2015-07-07 23:04:08	Fenhl	but that doesn't mean other servers can't implement it, it's perfectly unambiguous
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2015-07-07 23:05:34	Fenhl	(as always, I haven't tested anything, just cleaning up the wiki)
2015-07-07 23:05:49	Aragas	yep. different server ping protocols make it difficult to use. I mean, I wanna make my client to get server version based on server ping info and use needed protocol
2015-07-07 23:05:51	+ammar2	test in production ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2015-07-07 23:06:21	Aragas	without manually selecting version
2015-07-07 23:06:32	+Thinkofdeath	Aragas: good luck with that, you'll have issues with some servers
2015-07-07 23:06:44	+Thinkofdeath	mainly bungee and things like that
2015-07-07 23:07:00	Aragas	Yup :9
2015-07-07 23:07:02	Aragas	:(
2015-07-07 23:08:07	+Thinkofdeath	On the subject of renderers, mine: http://i.imgur.com/skiH34K.png
2015-07-07 23:08:25	Aragas	awesome
2015-07-07 23:08:38	+ammar2	lighting
2015-07-07 23:08:43	+ammar2	dav1d: pls
2015-07-07 23:08:46	Aragas	oh, unlocked fps?
2015-07-07 23:08:55	+Thinkofdeath	Aragas: its an option
2015-07-07 23:09:01	dav1d	ammar2: :o
2015-07-07 23:09:20	dav1d	maybe, but I dont feel like updating shit
2015-07-07 23:09:22	dav1d	also
2015-07-07 23:09:24	dav1d	fuck physics
2015-07-07 23:10:06	Aragas	You're writing a client, yes?
2015-07-07 23:10:16	+Thinkofdeath	my handling of physics is: wing it for the player and smooth the movement from the server for the rest
2015-07-07 23:10:29	+Thinkofdeath	works apart from NCP+ hates me
2015-07-07 23:10:33	+Thinkofdeath	Aragas: yep
2015-07-07 23:11:03	dav1d	Thinkofdeath: same lighting bugs as minecraft
2015-07-07 23:11:14	+Thinkofdeath	*lighting features
2015-07-07 23:11:18	+ammar2	lol
2015-07-07 23:11:25	Aragas	:DD
2015-07-07 23:11:30	dav1d	damn looks good
2015-07-07 23:11:35	dav1d	another reason to not continue brala^^
2015-07-07 23:11:38	+ammar2	yeah that's p sexy
2015-07-07 23:11:44	+ammar2	your client was in go?
2015-07-07 23:11:45	Aragas	Aren't server handling all physics? 
2015-07-07 23:11:51	dav1d	Aragas: no
2015-07-07 23:12:04	Aragas	oh shi~
2015-07-07 23:12:06	dav1d	if you want your client to be useable
2015-07-07 23:12:08	dav1d	nope
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2015-07-07 23:12:13	+Thinkofdeath	ammar2: yep
2015-07-07 23:13:09	Aragas	i guess client physics is needed for faster predicting stuff, yes?
2015-07-07 23:13:15	+Thinkofdeath	side note: doesn't really work well on amd
2015-07-07 23:13:24	+Thinkofdeath	amd's drivers are buggy as hell
2015-07-07 23:13:34	dav1d	Aragas: just for movement all around
2015-07-07 23:13:45	+ammar2	Thinkofdeath: featury as hell*
2015-07-07 23:13:50	+Thinkofdeath	:D
2015-07-07 23:13:53	dav1d	server only corrects position but doesn't actually make you move
2015-07-07 23:13:58	Aragas	ah, checking where you can move or not
2015-07-07 23:14:05	+Thinkofdeath	'cause segfaults make for great features
2015-07-07 23:14:18	dav1d	Aragas: also falling
2015-07-07 23:14:22	dav1d	jumping
2015-07-07 23:14:24	dav1d	running
2015-07-07 23:15:15	+Thinkofdeath	the vanilla servers gives a lot of leway with your movement, you can speed hack and it wont care. Modded servers on the otherhand aren't so forgiving
2015-07-07 23:16:09	Aragas	the hard stuff is making all those borders. There can be used same algorithm that was for rendering, but it will be expensive
2015-07-07 23:16:54	Aragas	or parse vertices, dunno, may work
2015-07-07 23:17:36	+ammar2	Thinkofdeath: they actuall segfault internally?
2015-07-07 23:17:40	+ammar2	actually*
2015-07-07 23:17:42	+Thinkofdeath	yep
2015-07-07 23:17:56	Aragas	movement shouldn't be *too* hard
2015-07-07 23:18:10	dav1d	oh
2015-07-07 23:18:14	dav1d	TrueCraft is beta 1.7
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2015-07-07 23:18:37	+ammar2	dav1d: the description of the repo is fantastic
2015-07-07 23:18:38	dav1d	movement is easy, if you're flying
2015-07-07 23:18:40	dav1d	:p
2015-07-07 23:18:46	dav1d	ammar2: yeah reading that atm
2015-07-07 23:18:48	Aragas	:DDD
2015-07-07 23:19:11	dav1d	"clean dev"
2015-07-07 23:19:13	dav1d	lel
2015-07-07 23:19:18	dav1d	I think I am half dirty
2015-07-07 23:19:25	+ammar2	yeah you dirty little dev
2015-07-07 23:19:30	+ammar2	stay out of my repo
2015-07-07 23:19:32	dav1d	^^
2015-07-07 23:19:43	+ammar2	anyway I meant the "Minecraft for hipsters" thing
2015-07-07 23:19:48	dav1d	I only decompiled it once for utf-8 support and for fixing a bug
2015-07-07 23:19:59	dav1d	hipster is overused 
2015-07-07 23:20:01	Aragas	this clear dev stuff is dumb
2015-07-07 23:20:05	dav1d	Just my 2 hipster cents
2015-07-07 23:20:07	+ammar2	not really
2015-07-07 23:20:09	dav1d	^
2015-07-07 23:20:14	+ammar2	in the us cleanroom laws are super strict
2015-07-07 23:20:23	+ammar2	you can't have seen reverse engineered source and build upon it
2015-07-07 23:20:40	+ammar2	in other countries its a bit better in that the same person can make the specifications from reverse enegineering and build from them
2015-07-07 23:20:40	dav1d	" Under no circumstances may you ever share any code with a clean dev, decompiled or otherwise" :D
2015-07-07 23:20:45	dexter0	SirCmpwn takes his clean room seriously.
2015-07-07 23:20:49	 *	Thinkofdeath feels like pasting decompiled code on the wiki in the past was a bad idea now that he thinks of it
2015-07-07 23:20:56	+ammar2	lol
2015-07-07 23:20:59	Aragas	lol
2015-07-07 23:21:02	dav1d	Good old SirCpwn
2015-07-07 23:21:18	+ammar2	mass send letters with decompiled source to cmpwn :^)
2015-07-07 23:21:35	+ammar2	don't uhh actually do that btw
2015-07-07 23:22:04	Aragas	so, if i decompiled it to see how utf-8 support works, but implement my sow font renderer with different concept, i'm gonna go to jail?
2015-07-07 23:22:39	+ammar2	in a US court, probably
2015-07-07 23:23:02	Aragas	wow
2015-07-07 23:23:04	+ammar2	someone else has to write the specifications for the utf8 support
2015-07-07 23:23:08	+ammar2	and then you write code based upon that
2015-07-07 23:23:40	Aragas	should check if russia's law won't kill me for that stuff
2015-07-07 23:23:52	+Thinkofdeath	minecraft's font rendering is pretty easy
2015-07-07 23:23:56	+Thinkofdeath	apart from the first page
2015-07-07 23:24:09	+Thinkofdeath	that one is in a different order than it should be
2015-07-07 23:24:14	Aragas	nonono don't tell me, i still haven't done it!
2015-07-07 23:24:18	Aragas	:DDDD
2015-07-07 23:24:22	+Thinkofdeath	:P
2015-07-07 23:25:23	+ammar2	Aragas: I mean really there's not much of a chance mojang is going to come after you
2015-07-07 23:25:31	+ammar2	I wouldn't worry too much
2015-07-07 23:25:48	+XorBoole	s/mojang/microsoft
2015-07-07 23:25:51	 *	XorBoole runs
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2015-07-07 23:26:08	Aragas	i don't really worry about it, i'mma a cleany dev. It's just not really fair
2015-07-07 23:26:31	+XorBoole	I'm dirty. very dirty
2015-07-07 23:26:38	Aragas	oh, wow, my english. Sorry
2015-07-07 23:26:46	+XorBoole	mostly because I work closely with spigot =)
2015-07-07 23:26:58	 *	Thinkofdeath has read every single file in the 1.8 server
2015-07-07 23:27:04	+Thinkofdeath	might be slightly dirty
2015-07-07 23:27:12	+XorBoole	yes, you wrote the mappings, genius
2015-07-07 23:27:23	+ammar2	and if they did come after you the burden of proof would be on then. Just get rid of any records of you having decompiled code :^)
2015-07-07 23:27:30	+ammar2	them*
2015-07-07 23:27:37	+Thinkofdeath	XorBoole: psh it helped in the end anyway
2015-07-07 23:27:40	dexter0	like this IRC chat
2015-07-07 23:27:40	+Thinkofdeath	found a force op
2015-07-07 23:27:43	+Thinkofdeath	that counts
2015-07-07 23:27:46	+XorBoole	still mad I didn't get to shove you into the thames
2015-07-07 23:27:52	+ammar2	and then you can perjure your way out :D
2015-07-07 23:28:10	Aragas	internet doesn't forgive
2015-07-07 23:28:24	+ammar2	its not the internet you need to be worried about, its the big bad lawyers and court
2015-07-07 23:28:30	+Thinkofdeath	but as you in on reddit, it forgets. 
2015-07-07 23:28:36	+Thinkofdeath	very quickly
2015-07-07 23:28:46	+XorBoole	Thinkofdeath not enough dedotated wam
2015-07-07 23:28:52	+ammar2	just make sure to get rid of these chat logs too in case they get subpoenad
2015-07-07 23:29:10	+XorBoole	how much dedotated wam does steven need?
2015-07-07 23:29:12	 *	XorBoole runs
2015-07-07 23:29:17	+ammar2	XorBoole: around 4
2015-07-07 23:29:23	+ammar2	some people will tell you 5
2015-07-07 23:29:25	+ammar2	but thats just overkill
2015-07-07 23:29:40	+Thinkofdeath	still find it funny that that got asked again at md's panel :P
2015-07-07 23:29:43	+XorBoole	ammar2 > implying it's possible to get a subpoena for logs that only supposedly exist
2015-07-07 23:29:52	+XorBoole	they don't exist
2015-07-07 23:29:53	+ammar2	XorBoole: the topic
2015-07-07 23:29:58	+ammar2	^_^
2015-07-07 23:30:01	+XorBoole	ammar2 have you even tried to find them
2015-07-07 23:30:05	+Thinkofdeath	ammar2: I don't think anyone has found them yet
2015-07-07 23:30:08	+ammar2	they exist in my heart
2015-07-07 23:30:12	+ammar2	also TkTech probably knows
2015-07-07 23:30:19	 *	XorBoole stabs ammar2 through the heart
2015-07-07 23:30:22	Aragas	I can say here that i fully studied the decompiled code. But first i'll ask, where is the delete message button? :DD
2015-07-07 23:30:29	+ammar2	XorBoole: that doesn't get rid of the logs
2015-07-07 23:30:39	+ammar2	Aragas: basically you have to kill tk's server
2015-07-07 23:30:42	+XorBoole	good night, sweet price
2015-07-07 23:30:46	+ammar2	burn his hard drives
2015-07-07 23:30:47	 *	XorBoole contines stabing ammar2 
2015-07-07 23:30:54	+ammar2	Thinkofdeath: those guys were copycats :(
2015-07-07 23:31:10	+ammar2	they should have upped the game
2015-07-07 23:31:18	+XorBoole	tbh the best part was how md decided to actually answer the question
2015-07-07 23:31:19	+ammar2	how much dedowated weepeeyou does bungee need
2015-07-07 23:31:41	Aragas	anyone knows where the server is hosted? Just, khm, curious
2015-07-07 23:31:41	+XorBoole	I tried to think of something embarassing to ask him but I didn't
2015-07-07 23:31:59	+XorBoole	Aragas just nuke every datacenter ever from orbit
2015-07-07 23:32:14	+Thinkofdeath	I'm just upset that I never said hi to gr_m or db
2015-07-07 23:32:19	Aragas	I don't have any metal gear for that
2015-07-07 23:32:31	+Thinkofdeath	didn't say hi to anyone really, just hid :3
2015-07-07 23:32:42	+XorBoole	Thinkofdeath are you /sure/ that doesn't ping him?
2015-07-07 23:32:54	+Thinkofdeath	oh it does
2015-07-07 23:32:57	+Thinkofdeath	just a habbit
2015-07-07 23:33:25	+XorBoole	probably everything with at least two of [gmru] pings him
2015-07-07 23:33:47	+XorBoole	then again 'xor' will always ping me, no whitespace lookaheads
2015-07-07 23:34:07	dav1d	a xor b
2015-07-07 23:34:20	+XorBoole	axorb works too
2015-07-07 23:34:27	dav1d	that's shitty
2015-07-07 23:34:40	dav1d	that's almost as shitty as the znc highlight plugin
2015-07-07 23:35:13	+XorBoole	it's almost as though g wants us to break the 'no pinging mojangstas rule'
2015-07-07 23:35:14	 *	XorBoole runs
2015-07-07 23:35:30	dav1d	I ping your mum!
2015-07-07 23:35:44	+ammar2	XorBoole: r8 my preamble. \newcommand{\Kappa}{\includegraphics{Kappa.png}}
2015-07-07 23:35:55	dav1d	MEMES PogChamp
2015-07-07 23:36:10	+XorBoole	ammar2 pr to amssymb
2015-07-07 23:36:35	+ammar2	oh god
2015-07-07 23:36:38	+ammar2	they'll shot out at me
2015-07-07 23:36:41	+ammar2	shout*
2015-07-07 23:37:16	Aragas	ammar2: you just gave me one of the best ideas i had
2015-07-07 23:37:31	+ammar2	which part
2015-07-07 23:37:33	+XorBoole	$\frac{d\Kappa}{dt}$
2015-07-07 23:37:44	+ammar2	I hope it wasn't the latex that gave you a good idea
2015-07-07 23:37:47	Aragas	kappa part
2015-07-07 23:37:48	+XorBoole	actually, isn't Kappa already taken?
2015-07-07 23:37:56	+ammar2	XorBoole: WAT
2015-07-07 23:37:56	Aragas	and latex
2015-07-07 23:38:27	+XorBoole	ammar2 Kappa isn't kappa is
2015-07-07 23:38:34	+ammar2	oh thank fuck
2015-07-07 23:38:35	Aragas	nah, maybe just kappa
2015-07-07 23:38:39	+XorBoole	thoguht there was an uppercase kappa
2015-07-07 23:38:44	+XorBoole	use use /renewcommand
2015-07-07 23:38:46	 *	XorBoole runs
2015-07-07 23:39:53	+ammar2	\renewcommand{\renewcommand}{\renewcommand}
2015-07-07 23:39:54	+ammar2	ez
2015-07-07 23:40:01	+ammar2	I am what they call a latex professional
2015-07-07 23:41:30	+XorBoole	ammar2 amazingly tex didn't explode
2015-07-07 23:42:17	+ammar2	XorBoole: huh, doesn't that put the interpreter in a loop
2015-07-07 23:42:21	+ammar2	I would think it would
2015-07-07 23:42:39	+XorBoole	knuth was a mad genius
2015-07-07 23:43:24	Aragas	was?
2015-07-07 23:44:18	+ammar2	XorBoole: did you know that $ is used for the beggining of math because it was considered an expensive function and knuth was trying to make a joke
2015-07-07 23:44:20	+XorBoole	well, I hear he's a little tamer now
2015-07-07 23:44:39	+XorBoole	ammar2 does that also mean that variable indirection is expensive in PHP, too?
2015-07-07 23:44:41	 *	XorBoole runs
2015-07-07 23:44:56	Aragas	:D
2015-07-07 23:45:01	+ammar2	expensive php? pftt that isn't a thing
2015-07-07 23:45:05	+ammar2	php is hyper optimized
2015-07-07 23:45:10	+ammar2	everything takes 1 cpu cycle
2015-07-07 23:45:21	+ammar2	everything.
2015-07-07 23:45:26	dav1d	1 CPU Cycle Takes PHP :>
2015-07-07 23:45:27	dx	also reverts entropy
2015-07-07 23:45:34	Aragas	php can even run minecraft!!!!
2015-07-07 23:46:13	+XorBoole	ammar2 can you find a hash collision for sha512 in one cycle with php?
2015-07-07 23:46:28	+ammar2	XorBoole: sorry no, there's no in built function for that
2015-07-07 23:46:37	+ammar2	you should make a ticket on bugs.php.net
2015-07-07 23:46:45	+ammar2	they'll add one in that does it in 1 cycle
2015-07-07 23:47:07	Aragas	just return 0, ez
2015-07-07 23:47:25	dx	yeah the problem with the sha512 code is that it's implemented in C, not PHP
2015-07-07 23:47:37	+ammar2	fuck that's right
2015-07-07 23:47:44	+ammar2	they should rewrite all hash functions in php
2015-07-07 23:50:38	+XorBoole	so, are we using the definition where 1 cpu cycle = 1/plank time?
2015-07-07 23:50:41	+ammar2	XorBoole: what do you edit your .tex files in?
2015-07-07 23:50:46	+XorBoole	ammar2 lyx
2015-07-07 23:50:56	+XorBoole	it's like WYSWYG for latex
2015-07-07 23:51:32	+ammar2	hmm yea I'm familiar with it
2015-07-07 23:51:38	+ammar2	it was too buggy on windows for me
2015-07-07 23:51:44	Aragas	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxQCNfCVLI
2015-07-07 23:51:45	+ammar2	switched to texmaker
2015-07-07 23:52:32	+XorBoole	ammar2 lyx is foss, that's why it freaks out on wandows
2015-07-07 23:52:33	 *	XorBoole runs
2015-07-08 00:07:36	+ammar2	XorBoole: tex was invented on windows
2015-07-08 00:08:42	+ammar2	XorBoole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_System
2015-07-08 00:08:46	+ammar2	do you still use this at your school
2015-07-08 00:21:16	+XorBoole	ammar2 nop
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2015-07-08 03:28:51	winny	tex was invented on windows?
2015-07-08 03:29:10	+ammar2	god no
2015-07-08 03:29:21	+ammar2	on the thing I linked, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_System
2015-07-08 03:29:38	winny	yeah
2015-07-08 03:29:41	winny	i thought so :^)
2015-07-08 03:29:54	winny	btw there is a public access ITS server running on a raspi
2015-07-08 03:29:56	+ammar2	actually tex was invented on php
2015-07-08 03:30:02	winny	http://up.update.uu.se/
2015-07-08 03:30:04	+ammar2	a php os
2015-07-08 03:30:11	winny	is it better than emacs os?
2015-07-08 03:30:26	+ammar2	php > everything
2015-07-08 03:30:27	+ammar2	so yes
2015-07-08 03:30:33	winny	that website is served by a purpose written tcp/http stack for its
2015-07-08 03:30:38	winny	... if it loads
2015-07-08 03:30:50	winny	written in maclisp i think
2015-07-08 03:31:11	+ammar2	looks pretty dead D:
2015-07-08 03:31:22	winny	yeah sometimes it's not available
2015-07-08 03:31:31	winny	some universities' project
2015-07-08 03:31:40	winny	iirc the same uni has quite a few other servers
2015-07-08 03:32:00	+ammar2	oh apparently scheme was made on ITS too
2015-07-08 03:32:03	+ammar2	fucking scheme
2015-07-08 03:32:06	winny	neat
2015-07-08 03:32:10	winny	<3 scheme
2015-07-08 03:32:30	+ammar2	hey kids do you like brackets
2015-07-08 03:32:34	+ammar2	do you hate lisp
2015-07-08 03:32:36	+ammar2	you'll love scheme
2015-07-08 03:32:42	winny	actually scheme has brackets
2015-07-08 03:32:46	winny	r6rs
2015-07-08 03:32:59	winny	they're equiv to parens in most contexts iirc
2015-07-08 03:33:36	winny	my god archive.org is down ._.
2015-07-08 03:34:20	+ammar2	where the archive for archive.org
2015-07-08 03:34:29	winny	i'm literally going to catch file without archive.org
2015-07-08 03:34:38	winny	catch fire
2015-07-08 03:34:47	+ammar2	what do you use it for o_O
2015-07-08 03:34:53	winny	wayback machine
2015-07-08 03:35:03	+ammar2	yeah, more specific
2015-07-08 03:35:23	winny	lots of junk is either unavailable or unreliable
2015-07-08 03:36:02	+ammar2	"junk"
2015-07-08 03:36:16	winny	interestingly it saved the pandora api documentation project, as pandora has DMCA'd the wikia the api was on, but archive.org still had the documents, so we ported it to a sphinx docset
2015-07-08 03:36:41	+ammar2	I like sphinx
2015-07-08 03:36:51	winny	worked well
2015-07-08 03:36:57	+ammar2	so pandora didn't have any official API documentation?
2015-07-08 03:37:14	winny	it's all private probably under nda
2015-07-08 03:37:38	winny	all the open source clients usually refer back to the original client pianobar
2015-07-08 03:37:50	winny	or to the documentation the author also wrote
2015-07-08 03:37:52	+ammar2	oh so this is non-official api documentation?
2015-07-08 03:38:02	+ammar2	that's weird
2015-07-08 03:38:04	winny	http://6xq.net/pandora-apidoc
2015-07-08 03:38:08	+ammar2	why have an API if you're not gonna document it
2015-07-08 03:38:49	winny	it's pretty common outside of the giants i think
2015-07-08 03:39:30	winny	not to mention pandora has to keep certain agreements with the record companies that the music isn't gunna get pirated
2015-07-08 03:39:39	winny	(it's pretty easy to download the tracks)
2015-07-08 03:40:39	winny	sorta like how there is wiki.vg for mc
2015-07-08 03:41:54	winny	https://web.archive.org/web/20130208114946/http://up.update.uu.se/
2015-07-08 03:42:21	winny	i wonder if my account is still on there
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2015-07-08 08:40:34	PierreC	Hello. Is anyone online right now?
2015-07-08 08:43:55	PierreC	I'd like to know is which packet is used to send to other players the current player's position on the server
2015-07-08 08:44:47	PierreC	http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_Position_And_Look would have been my first guess but it only sets the location of the player the packet is sent to
2015-07-08 08:45:52	PierreC	http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Spawn_Player works in live tests, but I am assuming that it isn't the right packet for properly sending movement
2015-07-08 08:46:39	PierreC	The entity look/relative move/look and relative move packets don't have the correct fields
2015-07-08 08:46:57	PierreC	if they are the correct packets to send player movement, what are the fields?
2015-07-08 08:47:00	PierreC	Thanks.
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2015-07-08 11:17:17	rom1504	and he left
2015-07-08 11:17:46	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6690&oldid=6687
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2015-07-08 11:31:06	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6691&oldid=6687
2015-07-08 11:57:55	gurun	LZ4F did anyone consider that for MC?
2015-07-08 11:58:03	gurun	zlib sucks
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2015-07-08 12:30:31	Fenhl	delete http://wiki.vg/Units_of_Measurement y/n?
2015-07-08 12:34:44	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6693&oldid=6691
2015-07-08 12:43:10	gurun	Fenhl, the datatypes page is pretty covering
2015-07-08 13:06:39	Fenhl	gurun: yeah, and I added a definition of meter to [[Protocol]] just to be sure
2015-07-08 13:07:13	gurun	:-)
2015-07-08 13:07:33	gurun	i should do a similar page for MCPE
2015-07-08 13:15:52	Not-48e3	[wiki.vg] Edit by Fenhl to Protocol -> http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=6694&oldid=6691
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2015-07-08 14:19:09	shoghicp	gurun: there is something like that :P
2015-07-08 14:19:38	gurun	well, it's on the old protocol page if that is what you mean?
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2015-07-08 15:45:36	SopaXT	Hi!
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2015-07-08 16:55:20	SopaXT	Hi!
2015-07-08 16:55:40	SopaXT	Hi aragas
2015-07-08 16:55:58	Aragas	SopaXT hi
2015-07-08 16:56:29	Aragas	Want something? :D
2015-07-08 16:56:57	SopaXT	No, thanks!
2015-07-08 16:57:13	SopaXT	Do you tinker with MC too?!
2015-07-08 16:57:56	SopaXT	And your whois suggests that ты (вы, извините) - тоже русский!
2015-07-08 16:59:01	Aragas	Yup. Have wrote own networl-protocol implementation and currently trying to to do something that will look as a client
2015-07-08 16:59:15	SopaXT	Oh, nice!
2015-07-08 16:59:16	Aragas	Yep, i'm a russian too :DD
2015-07-08 16:59:24	SopaXT	Wanna check out my new project?
2015-07-08 16:59:41	Aragas	gimme link
2015-07-08 17:00:01	SopaXT	http://github.com/SopaXorzTaker/gamecheck
2015-07-08 17:01:22	SopaXT	Check it out! It is a webapp
2015-07-08 17:01:29	SopaXT	There is a json api
2015-07-08 17:04:07	Aragas	looks interesting, but i think that you should structurize packets that you use. Will be much easier to switch to new versions
2015-07-08 17:04:38	SopaXT	I already did something like
2015-07-08 17:04:49	SopaXT	(I think, lol)
2015-07-08 17:07:53	SopaXT	I have got BTC/LTC donation button on my site. It is profitable in either I write good code and people like it, or I write bad code, people hate it and donate for me to learn Python
2015-07-08 17:08:17	Aragas	i mean like different objects. Never used python, but i think it should have something similar to c-like structures
2015-07-08 17:08:34	Aragas	is it in russian?
2015-07-08 17:09:56	SopaXT	Yep. Russian and English.
2015-07-08 17:10:12	SopaXT	SopaXorzTaker.github.io
2015-07-08 17:10:32	SopaXT	Donation buttons are on the english page only
2015-07-08 17:11:35	SopaXT	You know, BTC is banned in Russia
2015-07-08 17:14:51	dav1d	why?
2015-07-08 17:14:54	Aragas	Seems like they have not really banned it
2015-07-08 17:15:27	Aragas	dav1d: mostly cause they didn't know what to do with it, if i remember correctly
2015-07-08 17:15:35	+SinZ	dav1d: does russia need a reason to ban stuff
2015-07-08 17:16:02	dav1d	:p
2015-07-08 17:16:50	Aragas	why not. it's always funny
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2015-07-08 17:33:26	Aragas	for me bitcoin-like stuff is still exotic, i mean, it isn't really needed. As a russian, i could safe ~30% of my money, because of this crimea drama. That's the only use i see for now.
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2015-07-08 18:22:34	rom1504	Aragas: minecraft is also "not really needed"
2015-07-08 18:23:45	barneygale	to do what?
2015-07-08 18:27:56	rom1504	context free
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2015-07-08 20:29:06	Fenhl	do we have any documentation about how “Open to LAN” works?
2015-07-08 20:29:25	Fenhl	if not that would be a nice addition to the wiki
2015-07-08 20:30:22	+ammar2	do people actually use that
2015-07-08 20:30:30	+Dinnerbone	Lots.
2015-07-08 20:32:39	rom1504	I know that it doesn't work exactly like the vanilla server
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2015-07-08 20:33:24	rom1504	which is kind of unexpected
2015-07-08 20:33:32	Fenhl	well the obvious usecase would be advertising a local server by putting it in people's server lists, pretending to be a LAN world
2015-07-08 20:34:05	+Dinnerbone	The main difference is that auth is relaxed
2015-07-08 20:34:20	+Dinnerbone	Because its primary use is multiplayer without internet
2015-07-08 20:34:40	Fenhl	is it like online-mode=false or a different kind of relaxed?
2015-07-08 20:35:13	+Dinnerbone	It does the auth dance and then if it fails, lets them in anyway
2015-07-08 20:35:22	+Dinnerbone	So they can have their skin/etc if it works
2015-07-08 20:35:40	Fenhl	ah
2015-07-08 20:36:23	Aragas	So server can handle both encrypted and non-encrypted mode on the same time?
2015-07-08 20:36:32	Aragas	I they success with auth
2015-07-08 20:36:59	Fenhl	yeah that makes sense. I've been looking around a bit about how the advertising works and the closest thing I've been able to find is http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-tools/1264112-mineannouncer-announce-any-server-as-a-lan-world
2015-07-08 20:38:05	Fenhl	I'm not familiar with multicast but if anyone knows how to document it that would be nice
2015-07-08 20:38:56	+XorBoole	TIL lan doesn't require auth
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2015-07-08 20:52:53	Aragas	I think a have asked somethink wrong, but i'm not sure where i failed
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2015-07-08 21:09:34	PierreC	Hello. Asking the same question as last night: which packet is used to send player movement?
2015-07-08 21:10:02	PierreC	Currently using Player Spawn to update position
2015-07-08 21:10:46	PierreC	I am not sure if this is the right packet, and I'm attempting to use Entity Relative Move Look to move the player
2015-07-08 21:11:09	PierreC	However, either I am doing it wrong or I don't encode the correct fields, because the client doesn't accept the packet
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2015-07-08 21:18:31	Aikar	will a skin url ever change if player doesnt change skin?
2015-07-08 21:19:09	Aikar	trying to fix issue with player heads not stacking due to the timestamp value being different