14:18 < barneygale> "The lower 7 bits of each byte are used to store the two's complement representation of the number in groups of 7 bits, least significant group first. "
14:20 < Videogamer555> Ok, so I guess the official definition of the VarInt type does describe it in a way that it is inherently little endian.
14:20 < barneygale> yes
14:20 < barneygale> there's a couple of instances of little-endianness in minecraft
14:25 < Videogamer555> I know the NBT files in Minecraft PE are for certain all little endian, which means that NBT Explorer won't work with them, because it exclusively uses big endian values like in the PC version.
14:25 < Videogamer555> Not sure what other instances of little endianness there are in the PC version.
14:31 <+SinZ> So...
14:31 <+SinZ> Minecraft for Wii-U
14:39 < Fenhl> as was leaked like a month ago
14:40 <+SinZ> confirmed now though
14:41 < Fenhl> the leak came straight from the Nintendo eShop API, was pretty much confirmed already, same as Twilight Princess HD
14:51 < rom1504> will that be mcpc, mcpe or yet an other version ?
15:06 < barneygale> Videogamer555: there's a field in the query protocol that's little-endian, if memory serves
15:06 < barneygale> not part of the main protocol though
17:18 < Fenhl> rom1504: Console Edition
17:18 < rom1504> ok
17:19 < Fenhl> or at least that's what the wiki says, I'm not seeing a source anywhere
18:13 < nickelpro> Varints are, by definition, little endian. None of MCs other BS matters. Holy hell have we been talking about Varints for like 3 days now? If that doesn't demonstrate why no one should be using VB anymore I don't know what does. C is infinitely more comprehensible than this mess
18:14 < rom1504> nickelpro: but how are we going to make a varint page on http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code without the vb6 implementation ?
18:14 < rom1504> :p
18:16 < nickelpro> If VB6 isn't capable of the most basic data manipulation, then it is a programming language by only the most academic of descriptions
18:17 < nickelpro> Can't bit shift? BRAINFUCK CAN BIT SHIFT
18:50 <+ammar2> even if it doesn't have bitshifts, repeatedly multiplying/dividing by 2 achieves the same result
21:33 < aaps> holy s this is a far bussyer place that i imagined !
21:34 < aaps> but then again i was here before
21:35 < aaps> hi barneygale.
21:37 < barneygale_> hi aaps
21:39 < aaps> anny news on quarry ?
21:48 < barneygale_> aaps, a few improvements here and there
21:48 < barneygale_> i'll do a new major version when 1.9 drops
21:48 < aaps> something your are especialy proud of ?
21:48 < aaps> or well that i would find usefull
21:48 < aaps> :P
21:49 < barneygale_> if you want to do something a bit weird with the protocol in python I think it's pretty good
21:49 < barneygale_> if you want to write a bot i'd use spock
21:49 < aaps> oh i know it is usefull since i use it
21:50 < barneygale_> what are you using it for?
21:50 < aaps> https://github.com/aaps/MCmotions
21:51 < aaps> big thanks for your work
21:51 < barneygale_> that's actually really fucking cool
21:51 < barneygale_> good stuff
21:53 < aaps> Thx that means a lok to me !
21:54 < aaps> lot
21:54 < aaps> ha
21:54 < barneygale_> aaps, there's some stuff in the "snappy" branch you might find useful. I'm not sure it will be merged into master.
21:54 < barneygale_> e.g. https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/blob/snappy/quarry/utils/buffer.py#L150-L174
21:54 < aaps> i now hooked up with theduckcow, a blender dev
21:55 < aaps> mmm, lemme look at that
21:56 < aaps> cant see the difference that fast !
21:56 < aaps> do you have the main points it is special ?
21:57 < barneygale_> you can unpack slots (inventories and such) including their nbt data
21:58 < aaps> that might be interesting but not for animations yet
21:58 < aaps> im helped with proxy to be able to login on non anonimous servers
21:59 < aaps> and the client self profiding auth data
21:59 < aaps> so witout profiding password
21:59 < aaps> from commandline, it is a trust issue
22:01 < barneygale_> hm
22:01 < barneygale_> you'd need a client mod, right?
22:01 < aaps> i also am thinking about a chunk proxy, perhaps conveniant for non changing servers
22:01 < barneygale_> or a fake world where you can ask them to enter their email/password
22:01 < aaps> nah i guess the client should send the authentication to the server
22:02 < barneygale_> aaps, not possible as I understand it
22:02 < aaps> well a fake world where to ask that after they already entered it would seem shady
22:02 < barneygale_> the protocol is designed to stop you MITMing
22:02 < aaps> ah haa
22:02 < aaps> oh that is a showstopper indeed
22:02 < barneygale_> yes
22:03 < aaps> good for security, but
22:03 < aaps> your cant yust send the entire string (?) to the server ?
22:04 < barneygale_> aaps, http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
22:04 < aaps> i mean who cares for the rest of the data
22:04 < barneygale_> it's a bit like SSL
22:04 < aaps> i will look at it
22:04 < barneygale_> the client and the server both have a symmetric key that you can't determine
22:04 < aaps> they did the whole shebang hu ?
22:05 < aaps> and a client mod could change all that, im not sure a wanna depend on that !
22:07 < barneygale_> yeah I agree
22:07 < aaps> i dont wane give my users the idea i could be harvesting credentials !
22:08 < aaps> sure they could look at the code, but he users !
22:10 < aaps> well a good night sleep might give answers, btw could i become member of mcdevs ?
22:10 < barneygale_> aaps, that's TkTech's thing. it's not really used for much
22:11 < aaps> b b but it has a cool logo, perhaps a blender minecraft group then ?
22:12 < barneygale_> aaps, have a look at miners-movies.com
22:12 < barneygale_> aaps, I think they have a server where you're asked for your email+password (I would assume so anyway)
22:12 < barneygale_> or you can run the proxy locally
22:13 < aaps> anyway it was nice talking to you, and well i will drop in here so now and then, i have already looked at that, but i think mine is better !
22:14 < aaps> sure localy but then again if i would be a bastard you could sill send the whole shebang to my server, and sell minecraft accounts !
22:14 < aaps> you can check it, i can check it, but most yust woudnt trust it
22:14 < aaps> they would stop right at the password moment with a (hold on an minute !)
22:14 < aaps> feeling
22:15 < barneygale_> aaps, with a local proxy you wouldn't need to prompt for their password
22:15 < aaps> ah hacouse of the same ip ?
22:15 < barneygale_> aaps, just because you don't care about accounts anymore
22:16 < barneygale_> oh wait
22:16 < barneygale_> hnng no i'm being stupid
22:19 < aaps> well annyhow, thx for the talk, i figure something out, to make this more trustworthy !? have a nice one !
22:50 < dx> rom1504, nickelpro, ammar2: http://dump.dequis.org/dBKi0.txt
22:50 <+ammar2> my eyes
22:51 < dx> value \ (2 ^ 7)
22:51 < dx> bit shift.
22:51 < dx> / is the floating point division operator, \ is the integer division operator
22:52 < dx> & is concatenation, bitwise and is "and"
22:52 < dx> and hex numbers are written &HFFFF instead of 0xFFFF because fuck you that's why
22:58 < rom15042> Ah, not so bad, still pretty short
23:24 < dx> the part where it handles negative numbers is untested because this thing crashes with big numbers. not sure if wine's fault or just a limitation of visual basic 3.0 which is a 16 bit app
23:27 < dx> http://dump.dequis.org/gboS3.png - gimp inspired user interface with a bunch of tiny individual windows
23:31 < edk> except it came before GIMP :D
23:50 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/vRXEK
23:50 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] 109C e5ff8ea - Added IP ban command
23:50 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 de202f5 - fix commands to support /ban-ip , add /pardon-ip
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02:04 < nickelpro> Hahahahahaha dx oh why
02:05 < nickelpro> It even supports negatives roflmao
02:11 < dx> nickelpro: it's a direct translation of your python version https://gist.github.com/nickelpro/7312782
02:20 < nickelpro> I knew it looked familiar, not that there's much to varints. Still, you learned VB to do it
02:30 < dx> nickelpro: i learned VB 15 years ago, and yeah, forgot almost everything, but the built-in help is excellent
02:32 < nickelpro> I was excited to start the 1st grade 15 years ago
02:33 < dx> same
02:41 <+ammar2> I'm sarting it tomorrow, any tips?
02:42 < dx> damn that's actually a pretty damn hard question
02:45 < dx> i can think a few tips to give to my past self but i don't know if those would fix anything, and i can also see them creating new problems that kid-self wouldn't know how to handle
02:48 < dx> i guess it's pointless to try to fix / prevent all the problems i faced, maybe the whole point was facing those problems and learning how to handle them
02:49 < dx> ammar2: good luck have fun
02:50 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vR13s
02:50 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 cc3d4e0 - update the default settings in basic.js, fix #147
02:52 < edk> dx, i think that's an oft-overlooked point
05:03 < winny> anybody want to play some snapshot with me?
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01:05 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±9] http://git.io/vRH7M
01:05 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel 843fa1f - Starting selectors (incomplete)
01:05 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel e151d69 - Finish basic implementation of selectors
01:05 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 5d0d9ce - fix @e[type=Zombie] selector
01:05 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 31a8d18 - Merge branch 'selector' : #149
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01:12 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 a770046 - properly implement /kill using selectors
01:20 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/vRHbM
01:20 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 3ec142d - add test for /kill
17:32 < realz> hi
17:33 < realz> is there a quick and dirty mapping somewhere of block => single color
17:47 < rom15042> https://github.com/maxogden/minecraft-blockinfo/blob/master/index.js#L156
17:47 < rom15042> It's kind of old though
17:47 < rom15042> Some recent block are probably not there
17:47 < realz> thanks rom1504 
17:48 < realz> i thought of another way in the meantime, imma just downsample the textures to a single pixel
17:48 < rom15042> Yeah that's a good way to extract that info yourself
17:48 < realz> im excited
17:48 < realz> i actually got my renderer working
17:49 < realz> now imma get it with colors :)
19:56 < Fenhl> realz: you could also use the map colors http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Map_Item_Format#Color_table
20:01 < realz> awesome
20:02 < barneygale> anyone know which packet will send the client into the respawn screen? looks like entity metadata but i'm not 100%
20:03 < rom1504> entity status
20:04 < rom1504> hmm
20:04 < rom1504> ah no that's what you send other players
20:04 < rom1504> just update health actually barneygale 
20:05 < rom1504> (with health <=0)
20:08 < barneygale> oh mad
20:08 < barneygale> you can still break blocks while dead if you ignore the respawn screen
20:08 < barneygale> can't pick them up, but still
20:11 < rom1504> what do you mean by "while dead if you ignore the respawn screen" ?
20:12 < rom1504> you can't click blocks while dead
20:15 < barneygale> if you drop the server->client "update health" packet in a proxy, so the client never enters the respawn screen, then the client can still break blocks
20:15 < barneygale> e.g. i can dig up dirt while dead
20:15 < rom1504> well
20:16 < barneygale> and it's not some desynch issue - it drops dirt when i mine
20:16 < rom1504> if you don't get the update health packet then you're not dead
20:16 < barneygale> exactly
20:16 < barneygale> but the server shouldn't allow it
20:16 < rom1504> yeah I guess, but the server doesn't check too many thing ^^
20:17 < rom1504> "it drops dirt when i mine" dropping blocks is client side
20:18 < rom1504> if you get close to the drops, the client send the collect packet, and the server can react to that (or not)
20:19 < rom1504> hmm
20:19 < rom1504> no nevermind
20:19 < rom1504> block drop physics is client side
20:19 < rom1504> but spawning them is indeed server side
20:20 < rom1504> so, nothing changes in 1.8.9 right ?
20:23 <+Amaranth> barneygale: Pretty sure CraftBukkit blocked that at least
20:23 <+Amaranth> But it was sprinkles of if (entity.dead) { return; } everywhere
20:24 <+Amaranth> Ideally dead would be a different protocol state
20:24 < barneygale> that would make sense
20:29 < realz> rom1504: in the blockinfo project, any idea why all the indices are prefixed with "_" ?
20:42 < rom1504> realz: no idea, but just use the "id" property
20:43 < rom1504> it's in a js file, but if you copy paste it in a json file it'll work btw, so you can just use a json parser ;)
20:43 < rom1504> (just remove the "data": module.exports.attachments things)
20:43 < realz> yea
20:43 < realz> im doing similarly
20:43 < realz> just writing a JS to dump it in a C array
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01:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±13] http://git.io/vRxEg
01:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 865327b - use require-self for better consistency with external plugins require("flying-squid").someLib instead of require("../someLib")
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01:48 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 ad7253d - put experience pure functions in a lib and adapt the doc
10:09 < Fenhl> is 1.8.9 still protocol version 47?
10:20 <+md_5> yes
10:21 <+md_5> only server side change is 1.8.8 -> 1.8.9
11:01 < Pobway> hullo?
11:02 < rom15042> hillo
11:03 < Pobway> hi how are u? : >
22:50 <+md_5> redstonehelper can we please reopen this already https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-93093
22:51 < redstonehelper> md_5: it's on one of our lists, at some point a dev will either leave a comment explaining their decision or fix/reopen it
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00:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 9 commits to master [+2/-0/±41] http://git.io/v0UGE
00:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel 67af4a8 - Fix tp and setblock, implement relative position function, throw errors instead of returning, catch errors and display error
00:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel fe2f220 - Big changes to player/entity.sendPosition and entity/player.teleport. Not fully working yet.
00:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel cbb2068 - Made /help not shit
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00:24 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 71a85c0 - page length to 7 like vanilla
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00:47 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 f3a543d - improve assertPosEqual error message, fix #155
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01:00 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 fcce925 - fix first page of help
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01:15 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 6207010 - don't force entities to despawn when they die, the client figures out when to do that itself, fix #156
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01:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 6fc0e31 - Release 0.3.0
01:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 tagged 6fc0e31 as 0.3.0 http://git.io/v0Uwn
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01:31 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 c84591e - fix npmignore
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02:11 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 c3bef15 - UserError.js -> user_error.js (js style)
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02:37 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 567b82c - don't login if the client is already ended, fix #113
02:38 < realz> the commits are flying :)
02:40 < rom1504> yeah ^^
02:40 < realz> rom1504: i haven't played minecraft in years but,
02:41 < realz> are there servers good enough to replace the original?
02:44 < rom1504> cuberite is pretty good
02:44 < rom1504> it's not feature complete though
02:44 < rom1504> but not very far from it
02:44 < realz> is that a direct competitor to your project?
02:45 < rom1504> "competitor" I don't know, but it's a custom server yeah
02:45 < rom1504> there are lot of them http://wiki.vg/Server_List
02:45 < realz> i dont mean like enemies
02:45 < realz> i mean that it does the same as you do
02:45 < realz> or do you have a different niche
02:45 < realz> cool
02:46 < rom1504> it's in c++ so its perf are pretty good
02:46 < realz> mhm
02:46 < rom1504> but then it's c++, so it's not very easy to do plugins and all I think
02:46 < realz> i guess plugins break tho
02:46 < realz> yea
02:46 < realz> unless you script it up
02:46 < realz> which is major annoying
02:46 < rom1504> mine is js, so doing plugins is really pretty easy
02:47 < realz> mhm
02:47 < rom1504> but I'm going this for fun, I'm not so much about "competition"
02:47 < realz> I know i mean the word competition in an academic sense heh
02:47 < realz> are there client clones?
02:47 < rom1504> (and it's not just me, there are several contributors)
02:47 < realz> cool :)
02:48 < realz> oh its linked right there
02:48 < rom1504> there are lots of headless clients
02:48 < rom1504> but the only gui client that is pretty good looking I know is https://github.com/thinkofdeath/steven
02:49 < rom1504> but yeah look there http://wiki.vg/Client_List
02:49 < realz> yea that wiki page was linked from the Server_List page
02:49 < rom1504> "headless clients" usually mean bots, which are pretty cool too
02:49 < realz> mhm
02:49 < realz> well
02:50 < realz> my main interest is in graphics 
02:50 < rom1504> (not to cheat or whatever for me, more to make a bot that know how to play the game)
02:50 < realz> im writing a renderer and demoing it on minecraft
02:51 < realz> i got something to render a few days ago :)
02:51 < realz> it took months
02:51 < rom1504> okay, that's cool, I didn't do any graphics with minecraft (I did client and server, but all headless)
02:51 < realz> mhm
02:51 < realz> but yea im curious to talk to someone about graphics
02:52 < realz> someone else is doing the same thing I am and this is what it looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkWzrOQ1x8g
02:52 < realz> well, in a weird view mode
02:54 < realz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXf_JCrIQS4 here is another one
02:54 < realz> subpixel voxels :)
02:55 < rom1504> wow
02:55 < rom1504> ah maybe you don't know http://substack.net/projects/voxel-forest/
02:56 < rom1504> it's just the renderer part though, not really connected to minecraft
02:56 < rom1504> (but it's connectable)
02:56 < rom1504> and clearly not as good looking as your vid ^^
02:56 < realz> not my vid
02:56 < realz> just another guy doing the same thing
02:57 < realz> the coolness of this type of rendering is that you can show things *really* far away
02:57 < realz> no paging out :)
02:58 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0Tvz
02:58 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 3bea548 - node 0.10 doesn't have listenerCount, don't use it
02:58 < rom1504> that's nice
02:58 < rom1504> you are doing it in c right ?
02:59 < realz> its C/C++ and opencl
02:59 < rom1504> ok
03:04 <+Amaranth> Long view distances hurt raytracing more than traditional rendering
03:04 < realz> howso?
03:04 <+Amaranth> Unless you're converting the world to an octree or something first
03:05 < realz> thats exactly what it is
03:05 < realz> sparse voxel octrees
03:05 <+Amaranth> If you're not you have to traverse the grid which means longer view distances take more iterations
03:05 < realz> yes you are correct
03:05 < realz> the rendering method indeed uses an octree
03:05 <+Amaranth> Sparse voxel octrees means you're writing a viewer as the world won't be dynamic
03:05 < realz> it can be made dynamic
03:06 < realz> i mean editing one voxel at a time just means rebuilding the block
03:06 <+Amaranth> They're too slow to generate to do it at 60 fps for a large enough chunk of the world to make an octree useful
03:06 < realz> nah i don't think so
03:06 < realz> i think its doable
03:06 < realz> as long as you don't have something crazy like water or fires
03:06 <+Amaranth> Uh, you need to be able to rebuild it every frame
03:06 < realz> not the entire tree
03:07 < realz> the tree is broken down into units called blocks
03:07 <+Amaranth> aka chunks
03:07 < realz> its not *exactly* the same
03:07 < realz> but similar
03:07 < realz> its not fixed sized; it is sized based on memory
03:07 < realz> so each block can be expected to be as big as it can be without crossing a certain threshold
03:08 < realz> as it is, a block needs to be reconstructed sometimes in one frame when it is extended with more voxel data at the leaves (as you get closer)
03:09 < realz> so editing it shouldn't be that much worse
03:09 < realz> massive edits with brushes or whatnot might be a little more problematic
03:09 <+Amaranth> How does this model work with streaming chunk loads?
03:09 <+Amaranth> And you'll still need to periodically rebuild the whole tree
03:10 < realz> the blocks only go so deep into the world, and they get suplemented with data at the bottom as you near them
03:10 <+Amaranth> But give it a shot, if you can make it work cool
03:10 < realz> i don't intend on making it editable
03:10 <+Amaranth> So far everyone that has tried to do so has gone back to a grid
03:10 < realz> minecraft isn't my goal 
03:10 < realz> minecraft is my demo :)
03:10 <+Amaranth> If it isn't editable why are you using voxels?
03:10 < realz> simplicity for one
03:11 < realz> and do you know many better methods for partial loading of large worlds without manual labor of 3D artists for LOD?
03:11 < realz> and procedural generation experiment to come after, is another reason
03:12 < realz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSS_veoSg0 here is an inspiring use-case :)
03:12 < realz> (not mine)
04:15 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/v0TCm
04:15 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 9366c1b - make /attach use the selectors, fix UserError, check /tp has one target see http://stackoverflow.com/a/32749533 for UserError
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04:33 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 ce1ffe9 - fix error handling in /kill and disable /kill test until we figure out whether the server should send the despawn packet or not when the entity dies
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05:20 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 47c7567 - create an entity.attach, some more selector fixes, and add a fun /pile <entities> command (that will go in a plugin later)
09:48 < DemiPixel> I'm struggling a bit with the "Player Abilities" packet. It seems that walkingSpeed is 4.3/20 (4.3m/s in ticks) and flyingSpeed is 1/20 (100% speed in ticks?). This seems wrong. In addition, no matter what, when I send the packet, the FOV becomes narrower (never wider for some reason, even if flying speed is very high).
10:01 < DemiPixel> I g2g but if somebody can respond, rom1504 will tell me :)
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10:24 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] txomon bbfb4b3 - auth: Refactor almost complete, need tests, docs, etc.
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10:54 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro bf88d7d - We switched to dicts but never updated the comment
13:22 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0I7C
13:22 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 0895475 - fix entity_status
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13:23 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 f3aa213 - Release 1.5.3
13:23 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 tagged f3aa213 as 1.5.3 http://git.io/v0I7K
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15:47 < realz> ok i am convinced that rom1504 is truly a robot :)
15:48 < realz> i go to sleep, and he's committing, i wake up and he is right there committing again
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16:53 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 addec72 - fix place block test and improve lot of awaiting in the tests, only send min(3,view) chunks initially
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16:57 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 3e8e49b - one onGround missing
18:43 < rom1504> client<-server: play.abilities :{"flags":0,"flyingSpeed":0.05000000074505806,"walkingSpeed":0.10000000149011612}
18:44 < rom1504> can anyone explain wtf are these speeds
18:44 < rom1504> walking speed would be 5m/s
18:44 < rom1504> and flying speed 2.5m/s ??
18:53 <+Amaranth> Oh yeah those crazy things
18:54 <+Amaranth> Huh, we apparently doubled them for Bukkit's API
18:54 <+Amaranth> I mean, the API did internal * 2 for get and API / 2 for set
18:55 <+Amaranth> That doesn't tell me anything about what they mean
18:56 < rom1504> surely flying speed is faster than walking speed ?
18:56 <+Amaranth> Alright apparently for some reason the valid range in Minecraft is -0.5 to 0.5
18:56 <+Amaranth> So we doubled it to make it -1 to 1
18:56 < rom1504> are these factors ?
18:57 < rom1504> like, there's a "maxSpeed" and you just multiply by these values ?
19:01 <+Amaranth> It appears the server calculates a movement speed then does f3 = f2 / f3; where f3 is that speed and f2 is either flyingSpeed or walkingSpeed
19:02 <+Amaranth>  That makes no sense
19:02 <+Amaranth> Oh but no that is a modifier too and the actual speed is f and then it does f *= f3
19:03 <+Amaranth> That still doesn't explain why flyingSpeed is lower
19:03 <+Amaranth> rom1504: I'm going to go with "it's fucking magic"
19:05 -!- Irssi: #mcdevs: Total of 141 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 15 voices, 125 normal]
19:07 < rom1504> hmm
19:07 < rom1504> "Oh but no that is a modifier too and the actual speed is f and then it does f *= f3" maybe there is a different "max speed" for flying and walking
19:07 < rom1504> the initial value of "f"
19:07 < rom1504> that might explain how it works
19:08 < rom1504> (with the initial value of f being a lot bigger for flying)
19:09 <+Amaranth> Didn't look like it
19:09 <+Amaranth> That would be dumb anyway
19:10 < rom1504> not sure if it being dump confirms it's correct or the opposite :p
19:25 <+Amaranth> MCP says the argument is called "friction"
19:25 <+Amaranth> Maybe they code will make more sense in there too
19:29 <+Amaranth> Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me
19:30 < nickelpro> The minecraft speed calculation are very complex
19:30 <+Amaranth> I'm sure I understood this stuff at one point
19:30 < nickelpro> Check out SpockBot's physics plugin to see how all the factors play in
19:30 < rom1504> nickelpro: you take into account the player abilities packet in spock ?
19:31 < nickelpro> rom1504: yes of course
19:32 < nickelpro> The basic idea of movement is player ability speed * an acceleration modifier (based on block slipperiness) * base drag
19:32 < nickelpro> There are other factors, but that's the basics
19:32 <+Amaranth> Except all that goes out the window when you're flying
19:33 < nickelpro> Nope
19:33 <+Amaranth> It's just the ability speed as far as I can tell
19:33 < nickelpro> Nope
19:33 <+Amaranth> Except the ability speed is actually friction, according to MCP
19:33 <+Amaranth> I'm looking at the code...
19:33 < nickelpro> MCP labels a bunch of stuff wrong
19:33 < nickelpro> Like, a ton of stuff
19:33 < rom1504> nickelpro: you don't use flying_speed in spock ;)
19:34 < nickelpro> Because spock doesn't support flying right now
19:34 < nickelpro> But I have a spec I wrote after a lot of agonizing time inside MCP
19:34 <+Amaranth> Minecraft does a bunch of calculations for movement like you just said then if onGround uses them otherwise just does f4 = this.jumpMovementFactor; and jumpMovementFactor was set to flySpeed before this method was called
19:35 < nickelpro> We tested it against a slightly modified MC client and all the values come out good
19:36 < nickelpro> Amaranth: I haven't been in the code base, but inside one of the functions where movement is grabbed from the keyboard all horizontal movement is slowed by 2% (what I call drag). That needs to be taken into account
19:36 < nickelpro> in the code base in awhile**
19:37 <+Amaranth> This is from MCP: https://gist.github.com/amaranth/6c3f0143050fbe3de5da
19:37 <+Amaranth> As you said the names are all jacked up (moveFlying is called for non-flying movement too, jumpMovementFactor has nothing to do with jumping as far as I can tell)
19:37 < nickelpro> Yep
19:38 < nickelpro> And none of that code applies to when you're actually flying
19:38 <+Amaranth> Yes, yes it does
19:38 <+Amaranth> EntityPlayer sets jumpMovementFactor to flySpeed then calls this method and unless you're in water or lava this is the codepath you go down
19:39 <+Amaranth> Actually those branches check if you're flying and are skipped since water and lava don't slow down flying
19:39 < nickelpro> Oh you're right. Clearly I need to review. Unfortunately I have work, you've got this handled obviously
19:39 <+Amaranth> So if you're flying this is the only codepath you can go down
19:40 <+Amaranth> rom1504: It seems like the answer is walkSpeed gets fucked with based on what blocks you're standing on and a few other factors
19:41 <+Amaranth> So flySpeed is a pure modifier and walkSpeed is not
19:42 < rom1504> ah so that's why it's lower
19:47 <+Amaranth> rom1504: It's all in that same chunk of code in the gist actually
19:47 <+Amaranth> getAIMoveSpeed() is also poorly named, for players that's how you get walkSpeed
19:49 <+Amaranth> Looks like the most common result is walkSpeed gets multiplied by 0.216 first which makes the actual speed 0.0216 which is less than half the flying speed which matches reality
19:49 <+Amaranth> Yay solved
19:50 < rom1504> okay thanks :)
19:51 <+Amaranth> Remember the limits are -0.5 to 0.5, past it wrapped around
19:52 < nickelpro> You are missing the 2% drag. Before that function strafe and forward are multiplied by 0.98 and those are the values used to translate keyboard input and movement magnitude into x, z deltas
19:55 <+Amaranth> That is code that doesn't exist in the server so yep, missed it I guess
20:47 < toqueteos> So... I'm working on server side packet handling (custom server v1.8.8, official client) and found out that client isn't sending me a PlayerDigging packet when I try to break the floor. Has anyone experienced this before?
20:51 < rom1504> what do you mean by "the floor" ?
20:52 < toqueteos> rom1504: Floor is made of layers of cobblestone, dirst and grass. Trying to dig any block just gets me 0x10 Animation packets
20:58 < angal> Does it digs/breaks on client? Does client can dig it? (gm 0, no entiies around, no potion effects)?
21:00 < toqueteos> angal: Nope :( It just pokes it on the client and that's it. Client *should* be able to dig it, world is pretty much empty
21:01 < rom1504> toqueteos: is there a wiki page about "the floor"
21:01 < rom1504> I can't find anything about that
21:01 < toqueteos> rom1504: wiki page? I don't understand
21:02 < toqueteos> what's wrong with "the floor" ?
21:02 < toqueteos> it's just regular blocks
21:04 < rom1504> ah
21:04 < rom1504> you mean the player doesn't send you dig packet when he dig ?
21:05 < rom1504> that certainly never happens
21:05 < rom1504> I guess your parsing is wrong
21:11 < angal> Cient do not break blocks in term of vanilla then.
21:12 < angal> It's may be coused of incorrect gamemode/abilities, potions effect, enities on the sight o block.
21:12 < toqueteos> angal: I just noticed it's not even highlighting it so that may be it
21:13 < toqueteos> but still, I'll recheck parsing to be sure
21:13 < angal> not higlighting -> not gm 0
21:13 < angal> check you shure force set toplayers gm 0
21:14 < angal> ("gamemode 0", "survival" i mean)
21:15 < toqueteos> Unless I'm misstaken, it's sending PlayerAbilities with "flags: 0b0000, // god | can fly | flying | creative"
21:15 < toqueteos> let me check everything and I'll confirm where did I mess up (angal rom1504)
21:16 < toqueteos> thanks for the help!
21:28 < toqueteos> angal: I was looking at the wrong packet, my JoinGame specified adventure mode not survival. Now I'm getting the PlayerDigging and instabreaking everything
21:30 < angal> Looks like incorrect abilities now...
21:34 < toqueteos> angal: not, just me not reading properly.. long day at work, I set it to gamemode creative haha Thanks a lot for dealing with me
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06:48 < rom1504> is it required by the vanilla client to use the multi block change packet for the nether blocks (in a portal) ?
06:48 < rom1504> (normal block change packet doesn't seem to work)
08:55 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0OFo
08:55 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro 7b062d5 - Remove pointless comparison from packet decode
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00:14 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 deleted branch indep_tests
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00:53 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 67a1c2e - fix badges on npm, fix #162
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00:57 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 027960a - Release 0.3.1
00:57 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 tagged 027960a as 0.3.1 http://git.io/v0ZW4
19:22 < Toldino_> Hello guys
19:26 < Toldino_> I just checked your wiki for the first time and I was wondering if you are thinking about a java library to make communication easier ?
19:27 < rom1504> Toldino_: http://wiki.vg/Library_List
19:27 < rom1504> http://github.com/Steveice10/MCProtocolLib
19:30 < Toldino_> Oh thanks a lot
19:30 < Toldino_> Do you recommend the one on github ?
19:33 < rom1504> I think protocollib is the most up to date one for java yeah
19:33 < rom1504> (I never used it though, I don't do mc stuff in java)
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19:24 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 6 commits to master [+6/-0/±10] http://git.io/v00kq
19:24 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 22b8b2f - Merge pull request #161 from mhsjlw/portal [WIP] implement portal detection and use it when flint and steel is used
19:24 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 deleted branch portal
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19:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel f8c5eac - Begin implementing effects
19:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel 0092af2 - Start of implementing player abilities
19:26 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel 0adfc20 - Continuing attempt to implement abilities
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19:40 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] http://git.io/v00Yh
19:40 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel c13c901 - Added colors, made some fixes to command.js
19:40 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel 1481155 - Added stuff to chat
19:40 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] demipixel e49daf1 - Fixes, make errors red
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20:41 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 0ea7fcf - don't spawn in water, fix #63
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21:13 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 d49fd8b - store portal and destroy the whole portal when destroying one portal block, progress on #79
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21:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 6cb2bba - destroy the portal when an obsidian block is dug
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22:36 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 e792f5d - fix destroying multiple portal at the same time, add /portal command to create a portal, expose various portal generation function
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22:47 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 894760a - fix /portal for direction=z
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23:23 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 0fd80dc - fix spawning not in water, fix #63
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00:00 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 6b6a676 - update fire placing/destroying, fix #171
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00:06 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 067128e - fix a small thing in digging
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00:20 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 a999bbd - fix an async problem with portal generation, check huge portals work
01:37 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0ug0
01:37 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 a03bb7c - implement all spawn eggs
04:37 < c1yd3i> yo, anyway to get the amount of connected players on the client? one idea that popped into mind would be to look at the size of the scoreboard collection but i need the exact value the second the client joins...
04:50 < rom1504> the player info packet
20:03  * yawkat prods Thinkofname
20:04 < yawkat> does the server send multiple respawn packets on dimension switch?
20:04 < yawkat> oh looks like it's bungee :/
20:04 < yawkat> https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/013320fd9ec7e088a61634c28a3a39c5baab302d/proxy/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/UserConnection.java#L207-L212
22:01 <+Thinkofname> yawkat: needed because the client is buggy otherwise (that and its a quick way to reset the client's state)
22:02 < yawkat> PE is even funnier about it
23:10 <+Amaranth> yawkat: CraftBukkit did that too
23:10 <+Amaranth> Otherwise you couldn't have a server with superflat and normal worlds
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03:48 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro 662a78c - Steaming pile of commit
03:48 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro 5263efc - This should make tests pass
03:48 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro 4ee184f - Tests are for nerds
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08:00 < Not-d54a> [SpockBot] nickelpro a192bb7 - Minor change to start plugin
10:50 < PizzaCrust> hi
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19:01 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 7ac0117 - Merge pull request #173 from mhsjlw/no_more_var use const and let instead of var
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14:28 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 1d882c4 - some webstorm found fixes
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14:59 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 baca95c - a small fix
15:36 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0NVq
15:36 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 8a5fb26 - fix plugin loading logging
16:55 < poehli> Hi
16:55 < poehli> anybody here, who understands the mc protocol?
16:57 < rom1504> yes
16:57 < poehli> I'm trying to login, but don't seem to get a connection. What I did: send byte: 0x02, send version as int (47), send String "localhost", send port short 25565, send 1/0
16:57 < poehli> and wait for response
16:59 < poehli> sorry, that was not precise enough: I do get a connection, but do not receive any data (read returns -1)
17:00 < rom1504> poehli: http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F
17:00 < poehli> yep, that's where I looked.
17:04 < rom1504> are you sending packets right ?
17:04 < rom1504> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Without_compression
17:06 < poehli> Well, I hope I did... using java, there is not much to do wrong: open socket, DataOutputStream.write(int)
17:07 < rom1504> so for example, you sent the length ?
17:07 < Fenhl> what is byte 0x02 supposed to be?
17:08 < rom1504> oh yeah and that :D
17:08 < rom1504> handshake is 0x00
17:08 < poehli> Ahh, I somehow overlooked that! okay, let me try that first. 0x02 is the handshake request, is it not?
17:08 < rom1504> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Handshake
17:09 < poehli> yeah, but here: http://wiki.vg/How_to_Write_a_Client#Login
17:09 < Fenhl> poehli: no, it's 0x00, where did you get that info?
17:10 < poehli> but ur, right... its login
17:10 < rom1504> http://wiki.vg/How_to_Write_a_Client#Login says to send state=2
17:10 < rom1504> not packet id = 2
17:10 < rom1504> hmm nevermind
17:10 < rom1504> I meant http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ#What.27s_the_normal_login_sequence_for_a_client.3F
17:11 < rom1504> http://wiki.vg/How_to_Write_a_Client#Login is completly outdated
17:11 < Fenhl> that article looks very outdated
17:11 < poehli> okay, i'll try the wrapping first. Okay, thanks so far :) 
17:13 < Fenhl> btw, why does the wiki have info duplicated everywhere? We should keep things like protocol info to [[Protocol]], [[Protocol FAQ]], [[Protocol Encryption]], and [[Server List Ping]]
17:20 <+SinZ> it comes down to the protocol having two large refactors and the wiki structure not adapting
17:21 <+SinZ> Protocol Encryption was a new page when encryption became a thing to help people transition
17:32 < poehli> okay, selber Fehler: diesmal sende ich ein bytearray mit: "länge: 14 (byte nehme ich an), 0x00, 47, <host, als chars>, (port als little endian): 0xDD, 0x63, 1/0"
17:33 < poehli> port hab ich auch als big endian versucht, ohne unterschied
17:35 < rom1504> try again in english
17:35 < poehli> oups :$
17:37 < rom1504> the length and the packet id are varint
17:37 < poehli> same error: I send an byte array with: length: 14 (byte i guess?), 0x00, 47, <host, as chars>, (port as little endian): 0xDD, 0x63, 1/0"; did try big endian as well, same result
17:37 < poehli> yeah, which means, it can be from one to 4 byte, am I correct?
17:37 < poehli> 1 to 5
17:40 < rom1504> something like that https://github.com/addthis/stream-lib/blob/master/src/main/java/com/clearspring/analytics/util/Varint.java#L87
17:41 < rom1504> https://github.com/Steveice10/PacketLib/blob/master/src/main/java/org/spacehq/packetlib/io/stream/StreamNetOutput.java#L55 is the one used in mcprotocollib
17:44 < poehli> okay, yeah, but i hardcoded it: http://pastebin.com/RPStDQrt
17:48 < rom1504> https://github.com/Steveice10/PacketLib/blob/master/src/main/java/org/spacehq/packetlib/io/stream/StreamNetOutput.java#L143
17:48 < rom1504> (pretty sure you're writing the string wrong)
17:50 < poehli> ahh, okay, so you think adding utf-8 is enough? or in my case "ASCII"?
17:52 < rom1504> well minecraft is always utf-8, that's my point
17:53 < poehli> darn xD. Okay. 
17:54 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0Agy
17:54 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 e84d416 - remove gratipay
17:55 < rom1504> poehli: you're doing this as an exercise to learn some network ? (because if you actually want to make a client, I'd advise you to use an already existing lib)
17:58 < poehli> Yes, and to learn how to read existing protocols. :)
17:59 < poehli> (big goal is to write an c++ client.. 
17:59 < poehli> )
18:34 < poehli> this protocol definitely dislikes me ;) http://pastebin.com/vpjQdBxE still not working. Using functions copied from the lib
18:35 < poehli> b.length is the length of utf-8 bytearray of "localhost"
18:37 < poehli> can I somehow get a verbose mode of my server, to see, where it went wrong?
20:17 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/v0xKw
20:17 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 c125221 - increase timeout in detect portal test to avoid circle ci failing
22:09 <+Grum> poehli: fyi; there is actually signed data in all our varints
23:37 < poehli> thanks grum, figured most of the stuff out by now. one thing I don't understand though: why sending the key I just got, back to the server?
23:37 < redstonehelper> are we talking about handshake stuff?
23:38 < redstonehelper> it might be so the server knows whoever is sending the key back is the person the server sent the key to
23:38 < redstonehelper> (so the server knows it's you)
23:39 < poehli> How does that help? If you do a man in the middle attack, that won't help at all. Hacker gets the key and sends it right back
23:41 < poehli> I on the other hand, can say, that the server really is the server, by getting the certificate from it (what I do). 
23:45 < rom1504> "why sending the key  I just got, back to the server?
23:45 < rom1504> where do you do that ?
23:47 < poehli> Am I not? Step 4 and 6 from the link you send me 
23:49 < rom1504> no you don't
23:49 < rom1504> see an example of implementation of the generation of the token there https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-protocol/blob/master/src/createClient.js#L150
23:51 < rom1504> you can probably find a similar example in java in mcprotocollib
23:51 < rom1504> (https://github.com/Steveice10/MCProtocolLib)
23:55 < rom1504> there https://github.com/Steveice10/MCProtocolLib/blob/master/src/main/java/org/spacehq/mc/protocol/ClientListener.java#L42
23:56 < poehli> Wow, how did you find it that fast? :D
23:59 < rom1504> looking for EncryptionRequestPacket
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00:00 < rom1504> and I guess you might need to look into https://github.com/Steveice10/MCAuthLib/tree/master/src/main/java/org/spacehq/mc/auth/service
00:00 < rom1504> I don't know the java implementation so much though
00:01 < rom1504> (well I don't know it at all actually, I'm just googling around)
00:14 < poehli> Okay, thanks. So did I understand it correct: 1. I generate a RSA Keypair, then send it after encrypting  with the pubkey from the server back? 
00:16 < poehli> I guess I'll look into it tomorrow, it's 0:14 where I live ;) Thanks everybody! Bye for now!
00:18 < rom1504> oh but there's a page for that too http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
00:19 < rom1504> but yeah what you said should do it I think
15:57 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/vEeaw
15:57 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 fea7be6 - update minecraft wrap so tests can be run both on spigot and vanilla with no change (see #346)
16:29 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/vEein
16:29 < Not-5d64> [mineflayer] rom1504 1c61da9 - fix blockAt internal test using prismarine-chunk
21:42 < Psybur> Is there a way to have the chat logs have a different font? Japanese characters are showing up as ? marks.
21:42 < Psybur> Is this something I can do without making/using a mod?
22:06 < Fenhl> Psybur: which chat logs?
22:08 < Psybur> I mean is there a way to make the chat logs output japanese characters properly. I just get ???. The ones in .minecraft/logs
22:09 < Fenhl> sounds like a problem with the program you are using to read them, which program are you using?
22:13 < Psybur> Various. Tried changing fonts etc, just get ?????
22:14 < Psybur> Shows up as ??? in the launcher tab too. If I copy paste it into a place where I can output 日本語, its still ?????
22:15 < Psybur> Is it possible to easily mod how minecraft outputs logs?
22:19 <+Amaranth> Sounds like Minecraft is writing them in ASCII
22:19 <+Amaranth> Check out #minecraftforge on espernet for the modding community, maybe they can help you write a mod to change that
22:20 < Psybur> Ok thanks
22:22 < Psybur> I must be missing something. That channel is empty and /list is failing me
22:24 <+Amaranth> Hmm
22:24 <+Amaranth> Psybur: #mcp-modding is a thing
22:24 <+Amaranth> I guess I don't know the forge one
22:24 < Psybur> I think forge is on another server
22:24 <+Amaranth> I said on espernet
22:26 < Psybur> Looks like my brain is a bit fried then haha
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01:24 < Fenhl> I'm pretty sure Minecraft is not outputting ASCII logs
01:25 < Fenhl> yeah I just tested it, works fine
01:27 < Fenhl> both the server log and the launcher display 日本語 correctly
01:33 < angal> Last time I tested this, mc was using system default codepage. I don't know, if it has changed. So if your OS default is not ACSII, result might be false-correct.
01:35 < Fenhl> why would your OS default not be UTF-8 though
04:00 <+ammar2> Fenhl: http://stackoverflow.com/a/9313054
04:01 <+ammar2> and most java i/o utilities use that by default
04:01 <+ammar2> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/io/PrintWriter.html
04:01 <+ammar2> control + f for "default charset"
04:35 < Fenhl> pretty sure the MacRoman bit is incorrect
06:25 <+ammar2> Fenhl: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Java/Conceptual/Java14Development/04-JavaUIToolkits/JavaUIToolkits.html
06:25 <+ammar2> control + f, "character encoding"
06:58 < Fenhl> Java why
07:38 <+ammar2> Fenhl: looks like its slightly smarter these days https://github.com/openjdk-mirror/jdk7u-jdk/blob/f4d80957e89a19a29bb9f9807d2a28351ed7f7df/src/solaris/native/java/lang/java_props_md.c#L479-L503
07:38 <+ammar2> the older versions of that file are disgustingly bad
14:14 < toqueteos> guys, do you know if there's a tool out there to compare region files? I want to ensure my region file open/save implementation works fine but comparing 4MB blobs isn't funny
14:14 < toqueteos> I'm sorry not region files but anvil files (.mca)
15:03 < nickelpro> diff?
20:22 <+XorBoole> anyone have a list of the RGB colors for the various potion effects?
20:22 <+XorBoole> e.g. health -> 255,0,0
20:23 <+XorBoole> I don
20:23 <+XorBoole> I don't feel like digging through the client
21:03 <+XorBoole> found it
21:03 <+XorBoole> see 1.8.8 mappings 'pe'
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17:47 <+XorBoole-> does anyone know about any projects that convert 1.8 models to 1.9 models?
17:47 <+XorBoole-> I don't want to have to fix rotation
18:09 < Not-d54a> [1.8-Models] drXor pushed 1 commit to 1.8 [+10/-0/±0] http://git.io/vEmo4
18:10 < Not-d54a> [1.8-Models] drXor e6e218b - Prismarine!
18:13  * XorBoole screams
18:13 <+XorBoole> who do I have to hurt over the model position change
18:17  * XorBoole starts strangling Thinkofname 
18:43 < ScruffyRules> XorBoole, YAY AN UPDATE!
18:58 < MrZacbot> is the information on http://wiki.vg/Protocol current for 1.8?
19:00 < MrZacbot> hello
19:01 < ScruffyRules> Morning
19:01 < MrZacbot> I feel like I intruded on something
19:01 < ScruffyRules> "This article is about the protocol for the latest stable release of Minecraft computer edition."
19:01 < ScruffyRules> Not at all.
19:01 < ScruffyRules> "For the computer edition pre-releases, see Pre-release protocol."
19:01 < MrZacbot> yeah I read that
19:01 < gurun> oh, there is a stable release too?
19:02 < MrZacbot> but I've had a history of believing things like that and then finding out 10 murders later that it was wrong
19:02 < MrZacbot> I mean days not murders
19:02 < MrZacbot> *couch*
19:02 < gurun> lol
19:03 < MrZacbot> okay thanks
19:03 < gurun> thats like "oh, my thoughts leaked through all the way to the text" kind of thing .. haha
19:04 < MrZacbot> hahahahahaha no one died
19:04 < gurun> haha
19:13 < barneygale> best freudian slip so far
19:18 < gurun> it's difficult to blame on iphone auto-correction at least
19:18 < gurun> and if so, what the fu*ck have you been typing on your phone(!)
19:31 < MrZacbot> guys please no one died
19:31 < MrZacbot> that missing girl is still missing I had nothing to do with it
19:31 < MrZacbot> not dead
19:31 < MrZacbot> at all
19:32 < MrZacbot> okay I'm actually inept at news and stuff so there might actually be a missing girl, sorry if that joke appears in bad taste
21:22 < Fenhl> MrZacbot: in any case, the protocol article should be up to date. If you run into any problems feel free to ask here
21:23 < Fenhl> the pre-release protocol article, on the other hand, is not up to date :(
21:33 <+XorBoole> Fenhl and it's all your fault!
21:33  * XorBoole runs
21:33 < Fenhl> #minecraft is leaking
21:34  * XorBoole uses Fenhl to plug the hole
21:34  * Fenhl blames redstonehelper
21:34 <+XorBoole> related: I'm going insane because I can't make a 1.8 -> 1.9 model converte
21:35 < Fenhl> (I'd blame Ausmerica but they're not here)
21:35 <+XorBoole> everything is redstonehelper's fault anyways
21:35 <+XorBoole> but he's too busy lassoing ender crystals
21:35  * XorBoole runs even faster
21:59 < MrZacbot> okay thanks
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00:29 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/vEO52
00:29 < Not-d54a> [flying-squid] rom1504 95b5b57 - implement latency
03:38 < nickelpro> Does anything good come out of #minecraft?
04:30 <+XorBoole> considering the common rabble know about it, probably not
04:30 <+XorBoole> like, the command block people
04:30  * XorBoole runs as fast as he can
16:51 < Bibl> Hi
16:51 < Bibl> Does anyone know if this page is up to date/correct: http://wiki.vg/Entities#Objects
16:51 < Bibl> http://wiki.vg/Entities *
16:52 < Bibl_> The data is slightly different with the entities.json files here https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/tree/master/data
16:55 < rom1504> Bibl: yes
16:56 < rom1504> but entity ids are confusing
16:56 < rom1504> a sec
16:56 < rom1504> see http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Talk:Data_values/Entity_IDs
16:57 < rom1504> there are 2 kinds of entity ids
16:57 < rom1504> mobs have the same ids in both systems
16:57 < rom1504> for objects ids are different in the spawn_object id
16:57 < rom1504> and in the nbt info of the spawn egg
16:58 < rom1504> the one in the mcwiki (and in https://github.com/PrismarineJS/minecraft-data/blob/master/data/1.8/entities.json) are the spawn egg part
16:58 < rom1504> the ones of wiki.vg are the one of spawn_object
16:58 < rom1504> I plan on updating entities.json to have both ids but I didn't do it yet
17:26 < Bibl> O right, ty.
17:26 < Bibl> I'm getting a spawn living entity ID of 30
17:26 < Bibl> What is that? Because it's not on the wiki page
17:33 < rom1504> Bibl: with mc 1.8 ?
17:34 < rom1504> there shouldn't be a 30 with spawn living entity 
17:34 < rom1504> not in 1.8 anyway
17:35 < rom1504> Bibl: are you getting that from a vanilla server ? might be a plugin thingy in spigot ?
17:37 < Bibl> Urm
17:38 < Bibl> To be honest with you, I haven't played Minecraft in over a year
17:38 < Bibl> I think it's 1.8.8
17:38 < Bibl> I was connecting to mc.desiredcraft.net
17:38 < Bibl> as a test server.
17:39 < rom1504> hmm
17:40 < rom1504> probably spigot
17:40 < rom1504> any idea what kind of entity that should be ?
17:40 < rom1504> (can you see it with the vanilla client ?)
17:46 < Bibl> rom1504: I thought it was an armour stand
17:48 < Bibl> Can't check at the moment, I'm getting this error: http://i.imgur.com/70FPpjy.png
17:51 < Bibl> I'm looking at these server listing websites and all I can find are these 'hub servers'
17:51 < Bibl> Not a fan at all.
18:02 < rom1504> it's the id of an armor stand egg
18:02 < rom1504> (which is not really a thing anymore)
18:02 < rom1504> but it shouldn't be in the spawn entity ling packet afaik
18:03 < rom1504> (oh and 30 is probably some internal id in the mojang/spigot api if you're using that)
19:58 < Not-d54a> [1.8-Models] drXor pushed 1 commit to 1.8 [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/vEcCB
19:58 < Not-d54a> [1.8-Models] drXor 661100e - Treaks.
20:14 < Bibl> Tried joining another server: mc.fearpvp.com and it's trying to spawn a living entity with id=30
20:37 < rom1504> Bibl: what do you mean by "with id=30" ? what lib are you using ?
20:38 < Bibl> I'm using my own
20:38 < rom1504> are you sure you're reading packets correctly ?
20:38 < rom1504> do you get the same thing on a vanilla server ?
20:39 < Bibl> I wrote this code a long time ago and it worked perfectly back then
20:39 < Bibl> Hmm
20:39 < Bibl> Here is a screenshot, although I doubt it will help at all
20:39 < Bibl> http://i.imgur.com/uK7sKCg.png
20:39 < nickelpro> I vaguely remember SpockBot having trouble with armor stands because of funkiness with the metadata
20:39 < nickelpro> Bibl: Github?
20:39 < Bibl> I haven't created a repo for this yet
20:40 < Bibl> I'll try and do it a bit later.
20:40 < nickelpro> Just do it, easiest way for people to explore the code when something goes wrong
20:55 < gamingrobot>  Nickelpro: that was because the slot decode was wrong
21:07 < realz> hi guys
21:07 < realz> im looking for some public domain region (mca) files
21:07 < realz> for unit testing
21:07 < realz> any ideas?
21:09 < jast> it might actually be fastest to make some yourself
21:10 < realz> gah
21:11 < realz> im just going to write a script to autodownload it from some unlicensed map
21:11 < realz> ^ bestest loophole
21:13 < rom1504> the vanilla server can generate a lot of that for free
21:13 < realz> yea but i don't want to actually run one :(
21:14 < rom1504> well you run it one time, get the mca files, then keep them
21:14 < realz> aha
21:14 < realz> where can i get the vanilla server?
21:15 < realz> aha i see
21:15 < realz> its proprietary
21:15 < realz> gah then i gotta install java
21:15 < rom1504> https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/versions/1.8.8/minecraft_server1.8.8.jar
21:15 < realz> thanks
21:15 < realz> i guess I'll do it
21:16 < realz> ah access denied :/
21:16 < rom1504> hmm my bad
21:16 < rom1504> https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/versions/1.8.8/minecraft_server.1.8.8.jar
21:16 < realz> hmm trying to tel the difference between the two
21:16 < realz> lol
21:16 < realz> its downloading
21:16 < realz> thanks rom1504 
21:20 < rom1504> (sudo npm install -g minecraft-wrap && downloadMinecraft 1.8.8 minecraft.jar if you have node)
21:20 < realz> alas im on windows
21:20 < realz> and i apparently have java already
21:20 < realz> and it looks to be working so far
21:21 < realz> ok so i see one region, the file is empty tho
21:21 < realz> do i have to join the server to generate the terrain?
21:22 < rom1504> I think so
21:22 < rom1504> join the server will generate the chunks around you
21:22 < realz> right
21:22 < rom1504> then you can move around a bit if you want to generate more chunks
21:22 < realz> i don't want to dust off my client :/
21:22 < realz> alas i am scared of minecraft
21:22 < realz> i once lost a month of my life
21:23 < realz> is there a command i could type into the console
21:23 < realz> to generate it?
21:25 < rom1504> I doubt it, what you could do is use a bot if you really don't want to start the vanilla client :p
21:25 < realz> haha i found this http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/32316/how-do-i-pre-generate-a-minecraft-world
21:25 < realz> rom1504: how simple would such a bot be
21:25 < rom1504> https://github.com/PrismarineJS/node-minecraft-protocol/blob/master/examples/client_echo/client_echo.js
21:25 < rom1504> for example
21:26 < rom1504> there are similar things in other languages I guess
21:26 < realz> hehe ok if none of the ideas on that page work out
21:26 < realz> i'll see if a bot could
21:26 < realz> i could get node running
21:26 < realz> look at that
21:26 < realz> i love msys2
21:26 < realz> its got node in the package manager
21:28 < realz> how does one shut the server from the console
21:28 < rom1504> type "quit"
21:28 < rom1504> ah no "stop"
21:28 < realz> got it thanks :)
21:29 < realz> ok so
21:29 < realz> i think the first answer on SE was right
21:29 < realz> it *does* generate something right awaty
21:29 < realz> the spawnpoint
21:29 < realz> so you can repeatedly start the server with different spawn points
21:29 < realz> or somesuch
21:29 < realz> in anycase, its good enough for me, i've got an mca :)
21:30 < rom1504> yeah
21:30 < rom1504> idk how big is the spawn zone though
21:32 < realz> directed to a script that does it :)
21:32 < realz> https://github.com/DMBuce/mcexplore
21:32 < realz> thanks for the hhelp rom1504 
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04:43 < Bibl> rom1504: nickelpro: it seems like there is an entity type 30 http://i.imgur.com/tgwPOWa.png
04:58 < rom1504> the vanilla/spigot code has ArmorStand with id=30 yes
04:58 < rom1504> but you won't get that id in spawn object
04:59 < rom1504> you can get that id in spawn egg nbt
04:59 < rom1504> that's the second kind of ids I was talking about earlier ;)
05:03 < rom1504> (http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Talk:Data_values/Entity_IDs)
14:55 < nickelpro> Bibl: ^^^ Entity ids have been a point of contention between people working inside Minecraft/MCP and protocol people like us for a long time because of that confusion.
14:56 < nickelpro> Entity IDs, as far as I'm concerned, are the collidable ids sent by MC when spawning entities. The mob egg weirdness is an implementation detail
15:03 < bithon> hey a mc dev newbie here
15:03 < bithon> is it possible to write mods for vanilla server?
15:05 < Meeeh> eveything is possible, but you don't have any API then, and you just need decompile single classes, edit them and re-add
15:05 < bithon> ah that sucks
15:05 < bithon> so I'm kind of forced to use bukkit ?
15:06 < Meeeh> they are other servers too, or you can spend year or 2 and made own one, but yeach.
15:08 < bithon> what server you'd recommend that has stable release cycle and is quite supported by the community
15:08 < bithon> i haven't touched anything java related, let alone MC in 3 years or so
15:09 < Meeeh> still spigot seems to be best here
15:10 < bithon> https://github.com/SpigotMC/Spigot-API
15:10 < bithon> ?
15:10 < Meeeh> all others are: dead, not finished, not stable, still changing a lot in every update, etc.
15:10 < bithon> what happened to bukkit
15:10 < bithon> i remeber it being quite popular back in the day
15:11 < Meeeh> http://spigotmc.org/ downloading it is a bit compilcated due to some legal problems, but there is all you need.
15:11 < Meeeh> spigot team also updates bukkit, and spigot it is still bukkit, but with additional patches, settings, and few API methods.
15:12 < bithon> aye
15:12 < bithon> thanks Meeeh 
15:12 < bithon> so i can get the sdk on their website ?
15:13 < Meeeh> you can download API from maven repo if you need, click "Hub" on webiste, but anyway, you need whole spigot for server too, so read that: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/
15:14 < Meeeh> that tools download and compile latest spigot version, it will create .jar for bukkit/craftbukkit/spigot-api and spigot.
15:14 < bithon> aye. will do that now.
15:51 < bithon>  /join #spigot
18:07 < Bibl> Hi guys, I'm updating some stuff on the wiki and I'm new to this. Is the summary text field a summary of what I changed? http://i.imgur.com/bMFJ8o0.png
18:27 < rom1504> yes
19:52 < realz> hi
19:53 < realz> does the mca format allow compression format 0
19:53 < realz> i.e no compression at all
19:56 < rom1504> no
19:56 < rom1504> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Region_file_format#Chunk_Data
19:56 < rom1504> (not compressing would be a really bad idea anyway)
19:58 < realz> rom1504: i was just wondering because,
19:58 < realz> it would be great for storing worlds in git
19:59 < realz> binary diff would make a lot more sense if it was uncompressed and compressed at the file level instead
19:59 < Meeeh> time needed to load that bytes from disk will be higher than decompressing them
19:59 < realz> yes
19:59 < realz> but binary diff prolly fails real bad on compressed data that changes
19:59 < Meeeh> I even tested that once, when I was playing aroung chunk system in my small server xD it was pain.
19:59 < realz> haha
20:00 < realz> yea i understand from a performance perspective it would be worse
20:00 < Meeeh> much worse
20:00 < realz> but it needn't be
20:00 < realz> imagine an mcagz format
20:00 < realz> where instead of compressing the chunks individually inside the mca,
20:00 < realz> the entire mca file is gz'd after-the-fact
20:01 < realz> that would have the same effect
20:01 < realz> and if you combine that with a versioning system that understands gz files
20:01 < realz> you can get pretty good world versioning system
20:01 < Gjum> nah, you'd have to inflate the whole region just to get one chunk
20:01 < Meeeh> yep
20:01 < realz> true
20:01 < realz> well no
20:01 < realz> you could have some sort of index at the beginning of the stream in the same way
20:01 < realz> but it would complicate things
20:02 < jast> that's not how deflate works. it's a stream encoder.
20:02 < jast> with bzip2, maybe
20:02 < realz> yes but there are compression schemes that support indexing like that
20:02 < jast> but then there isn't much of an advantage left in bunching everything together
20:02 < Meeeh> this isn't good idea, current system is good, I was only thinking about smaller regions, like 16x16 but never tested that
20:02 < jast> the real benefit in uncompressed data is that it deltas very well
20:02 < realz> right
20:02 < realz> you are right
20:03 < realz> it is up to the versioning system to compress it after-the-fact then
20:03 < jast> a couple of years ago I started writing an archiving system for worlds that was going to use delta compression, but then I decided it was too much work and I didn't really need it that badly
20:03 < realz> aha
20:03 < realz> yea
20:03 < realz> i can think of a hacky way to do it
20:04 < realz> you can just have an alternate mca format with 0, and have cron job that copies changed mca-2 files over periodically if changed, to the git repo and commit it uncompressed
20:04 < realz> ok this isn't something im seriously considering
20:05 < realz> as im not actually using minecraft
20:05 < realz> just a thought
20:08 < Meeeh> anyone have plans to update protocol on wiki? (for pre relase), I only know about id changes, and few new packets, but I didn't check what was changed in packets.
20:11 < Fenhl> Meeeh: if you could start by adding those that would be great
20:12 < Fenhl> others might be able to fill in the details from that
20:20 < Meeeh> Fenhl, ok
20:32 < Meeeh> I'm not sure how to mark new sound effect packets, as they are 2 now, one spawn sound by name, so it isn't really used in MC except for sound command, and one by numeric id. So idk which one set as new, and how to name new one.
20:35 < Fenhl> which kind of sound packet was used before? By id or by name?
20:36 < Meeeh> by name, but it is named just as "Sound Effect" so how to name new one then?
20:36 < Meeeh> for me old one should be named "Named Sound Effect"
20:37 < Meeeh> and new one with id, just "Sound Effect"
20:37 < Fenhl> sounds good
20:37 < rom1504> there are already 2 sound packets in 1.8
20:38 < rom1504> is there a third one now ?
20:38 < Meeeh> eeem, rom1504 what are you talking about?
20:38 < Fenhl> just change the name and mark it as changed so it's clear that it's not used for all sound effects anymore
20:38 < rom1504> (http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Sound_Effect and http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Effect)
20:38 < Fenhl> or whatever is going on there
20:38 < Meeeh> this is different type of packet 
20:39 < Meeeh> now in 1.9 there are 2 packets that only diffs that one use id and other use name, other fields are this same.
20:39 < Meeeh> and effect packet still exists
20:40 < rom1504> okay a third one then
20:40 < Meeeh> no... this isn't sound packet
20:40 < Meeeh> you can spawn other stuff using this effect one, like smoke
20:40 < Meeeh> and you can;t control pitch/volume 
20:40 < rom1504> yes
20:40 < rom1504> well
20:40 < rom1504> Effect does sound too
20:41 < rom1504> you can't do every sound with it
20:41 < rom1504> just like you can't do every sound with sound effect
20:41 < Meeeh> it is just for pre-made effects with sound and/or particles
20:41 < Meeeh> where sound packet is just for sound
20:41 < rom1504> not sure why they don't pick 1 sound packet and stick with it
20:42 < Meeeh> using id is faster, lees bytes, but named packets allow usage of resource pacs
20:42 < rom1504> there are already a packet to emit particles
20:42 < Meeeh> packs
20:42 < rom1504> anyway, there's really no debate that the mc protocol is inconsistent, so that's that ^^
20:42 < Meeeh> but then client may get them in a bit different time due to some connection problems, and he will see some without sound etc
20:43 < rom1504> hmm
20:43 < rom1504> I guess
20:43 < Meeeh> also it's better to send one packet than two, one for sound and one for particle
20:43 < rom1504> not sure why
20:43 < Meeeh> bytes, cpu, memory, everything
20:44 < rom1504> not really
20:44 < rom1504> I mean
20:44 < Meeeh> sounds/perticles are used pretty common, sending 2 big packets for every block of fire than one smaller
20:44 < Meeeh> instead of one smaller*
20:44 < rom1504> you could divide the number of packets in the protocol by 2 while decreasing the number of stuff you need to send
20:45 < rom1504> (like in the pe protocol)
20:45 < Meeeh> whatever, we have this protocol and we need use it :P
20:45 < rom1504> yeah
20:46 < rom1504> it's great if you update the 1.9 ids anyway :)
20:47 < Meeeh> I needed them for my server, so yeach, but it is so raw that I didn't check for other changes that ids and few basic packets. 
20:49 < rom1504> pretty good already, the rest can be updated afterwards
21:15 < Meeeh> many people seems to only update ids in list, not in packet descreption below o.O
21:16 < rom1504> well ids changed a lot
21:17 < rom1504> but yeah description/fields should be updated too at some point
21:18 < nickelpro> Packets aren't indexed by id inside notchian MC, so almost every minor protocol change bumps the ids. If we can find a way to have media wiki to automatically generate the IDs based on packet order that would be good
21:20 < rom1504> nickelpro: that would mean putting the packet in the same order as vanilla
21:20 < rom1504> which would probably not make sense
21:21 < nickelpro> Why not? That's the order their in now. 
21:21 < rom1504> (we don't have the same names, and that means similar packets get separated)