13:05 < gamingrobot> https://github.com/opencog/opencog
13:06 < Bibl> gamingrobot: whats hard about messing with bits? :D
13:06 < gamingrobot> I am having a hell of a time packing a negative position
13:07 < gamingrobot> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UwIwkRDl
13:07 < gamingrobot> works great for positive numbers
13:08 < Bibl> i dont get what struct.pack is
13:09 < Bibl> dont you just use val
13:09 < gamingrobot> its a way of packing values into bits
13:09 < gamingrobot> so it takes val, a integer and packs it as a big endian long long
13:09 < Bibl> the first 3 expressions in your code are right
13:09 < Bibl> then i dont know what you're doing
13:09 < Bibl> just return val?
13:10 < gamingrobot> when x is neg val becomes massive
13:10 < Bibl> try just returning val
13:11 < gamingrobot> I did it says it cant convert int to bytes
13:11 < gamingrobot> the struct pack is not the problem
13:11 < gamingrobot> 18446741187759964163 thats what val is if x is negitive
13:11 < Bibl> give me a value for x y z
13:11 < Bibl> and ill test my java version
13:12 < gamingrobot> 'location': {'z': 3, 'x': -11, 'y': 4}
13:13 < gamingrobot> the problem is you cant pack the value 18446741187759964163 into a 64 bit long, its just too big
13:13 < gamingrobot> so my logic above must be wrong
13:14 < Bibl> http://i.imgur.com/CZWU0W7.png
13:14 < Bibl> lol
13:14 < gamingrobot> is that right?
13:14 < Bibl> not sure sec
13:15 < gamingrobot> its def not the same thing I am gettnig
13:17 < Bibl> http://i.imgur.com/A88bKFV.png hmm
13:17 < Bibl> what packet is this used for?
13:18 < gamingrobot> block place
13:19 < gamingrobot> 1111111111111111111111010100000000010000000000000000000000000011
13:20 < Bibl> yep its that
13:20 < Bibl> i tested with mc 
13:20 < Bibl> 1111111111111111111111010100000000010000000000000000000000000011
13:21 < Bibl> and my java code does
13:21 < Bibl> 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110101000011
13:21 < Bibl> lmao
13:21 < gamingrobot> wait so am I correct?
13:21 < Bibl> think so
13:22 < gamingrobot> ...
13:22 < gamingrobot> >q is signed >Q is unsigned, also the wiki doesnt say the long is unsigned
13:22 < gamingrobot> "64-bit long split in to three parts"
13:23 < Fenhl> it should be unsigned though
13:23 < gamingrobot> it is I just didnt think it was derp
13:23 < Fenhl> otherwise the values don't fit
13:24 < Fenhl> I don't think the wiki should call it a “long” though
13:24 < Fenhl> that's misleading
13:25 < Fenhl> there, fixed
13:25 < gamingrobot> yay
13:42 < gamingrobot> its so weird that the mc server doesnt care if you have 10 windows open as long as your within the radius of the block that has it
13:46 < Bibl> chest sorter bot?
13:46 < Bibl> or multi chester sorter bot
13:46 < gamingrobot> possibly I am currently writing inventory to be the same as the mc client, one active window at a time
13:48 < gamingrobot> https://db.tt/SV6krkUG the testing grounds
13:52 < gamingrobot> hmmm I might be wrong, it may just assume if you get another openwindow the previous one is closed
13:54 < gamingrobot> thats interesting ender chest is different from chest
13:55 < gamingrobot> ender chest is minecraft:container and not minecraft:chest
13:55 < q3hardcore> well, it's *really* not a chest
13:56 < gamingrobot> might have to add to wiki tho
13:56 < gamingrobot> its not on the Inventory page
13:59 < Fenhl> gamingrobot: what's the inventory type number?
14:02 < gamingrobot> PLAY<Open Window {'inv_type': 'minecraft:container', 'window_id': 20, 'slot_count': 27, 'title': {'translate': 'container.enderchest'}}
14:02 < gamingrobot> not sure
14:02 < gamingrobot> its not window_id
14:05 < Fenhl> huh
14:06 < Fenhl> I guess that packet doesn't use numeric window types
14:06 < Fenhl> where is that used then o.O
14:10 < Bibl_> lol fixed my pos stuff http://hastebin.com/sogoyofige.avrasm
15:23 < gamingrobot> I wonder if those numerics are just old
15:24 < Fenhl> I'm finding a lot of old stuff in articles
18:06 < Wuppie> Hmm, i'm sending correct data for the player inventory the to the client, however in the client, the items don't appear
18:06 < Wuppie> :/
18:09 < Wuppie> do i need to do anything before i send the inventory?
19:04 < gamingrobot> Wuppie: were you sending the slot packet or the window items one?
19:05 < Wuppie> window items
19:05 < gamingrobot> for some reason the normal mc server sends window items and http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Set_Slot for every slot that has a item
21:13 < Bibl_> are block states packed into block metadata?
21:21 < gurun> what do you mean by block state, and what to you mean by block metadata 
21:21 < gurun> block state as in the new name or?
21:27 < Grum> blockstates are thing that will replace block+data (the 4bit 0-15 thing)
21:28 <+SpaceManiac> Wuppie: what values are you sending in the open window and window item packets?
21:28 < Wuppie> oh, to send inventory data i need to open the window first SpaceManiac?
21:28 < Wuppie> lol
21:28 <+SpaceManiac> yes
21:29 < Wuppie> lol, i guess that is the problem then
21:29 < Wuppie> didn't think about that
21:29 <+SpaceManiac> actually, are you referring to the *player's* inventory, or a specific inventory?
21:39 < Bibl_> i meant
21:40 < Bibl_> im storing block data in a hashmap
21:40 < Bibl_> but i didnt realise that block state such as rotation of a log is packed with the 'metadata' that is given for a variant of the log
21:40 < Bibl_> so it makes my table lookup thing a bit tricky
21:42 < Bibl_> http://i.imgur.com/4wsLNv0.jpg this explains it
21:43 < ellisvlal> ...That awquard moment you've had a znc bouncer signed in since November with infinate playback buffer and forgot about it...
21:43 < ellisvlal> ...Literally downloading messages for a good few minutes...
21:44 <+SpaceManiac> Bibl_: maybe you are overcomplicating things?
21:44 < Bibl_> SpaceManiac: atm i have this http://hastebin.com/aserelavax.coffee
21:45 < Bibl_> if you go to line 89 you can see the logs
21:45 < Bibl_> those are the combinations of the rotations and the different types of logs
21:45 < Bibl_> however for other stuff it gets even more complicated
21:46 < Bibl_> i was wondering if i should switch over to a another way or continue how im doing it
21:46 <+SpaceManiac> I don't think your current method will be good in the long run
21:47 < Bibl_> SpaceManiac: why?
21:48 <+SpaceManiac> the blockid + metadata combination is being deprecated in favor of a single id which maps to a block state
21:48 <+SpaceManiac> a block state being a block type + a map of properties to values
21:49 < Bibl_> would it still be an int?
21:49 < Bibl_> or nbt style
21:49 <+SpaceManiac> there would still be ints involved somewhere
21:51 <+SpaceManiac> for storage, a bimap<int, blockstate> to convert states to/from their ((id << 4) | data) representations - then states have a type and a map<property, value>
21:51 <+SpaceManiac> where all states of the same type have the same property keys
21:54 < Bibl_> SpaceManiac: and for now? can i just do that big blockdata map
21:54 <+SpaceManiac> you *can* do whatever, I just wouldn't recommend it
21:55 < Bibl_> what do you recommend for 1.8?
21:55 <+SpaceManiac> what I just described
21:57 < Bibl_> but if the block id and metadata system is currently in place how am i supposed to cater to the new system?
21:57 <+SpaceManiac> the id+metadata system is in a limbo state because it's being phased out
21:58 <+SpaceManiac> in the protocol everything is one id, (old_id<<4)|old_meta
21:58 <+SpaceManiac> only the save format hasn't changed
22:16 < Paprikachu> so about the compression threshold
22:16 < Paprikachu> if i send a threshold of X, does that mean packets of size X get compressed or not?
22:19 < Paprikachu> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#With_compression and http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Set_Compression say different things
22:21 <+SpaceManiac> Hmm, I'm not sure
22:22 < Thinkofdeath> Look the same to me? If the packet size over the threshold the client/server will compress, whether you compress is up to you
22:22 <+SpaceManiac> I compress if size >= threshold and things seem to work fine
22:22 < Paprikachu> mh
22:23 < Thinkofdeath> oh that
22:23 < Paprikachu> > or >= is the question :P
22:23 < Thinkofdeath> Vanilla: http://hastebin.com/gutulotitu.java
22:24 < Thinkofdeath> so >=
22:24 < Paprikachu> looks like it
22:24 < Paprikachu> thanks for clearing that up
22:24 < Paprikachu> those are the kind of weird edge cases that are going to be a horror to debug
22:24 < Paprikachu> if you don't get it right
22:30 < Paprikachu> can i send SetCompression directly after receiving LoginStart?
22:31 < MrARM> yes
22:31 < MrARM> what vanilla does I think
22:32 <+SpaceManiac> I wait until encryption is negotiated, but that would probably work
22:37 < Paprikachu> i don't have encryption yet
22:37 <+SpaceManiac> after login start is fine then
22:38 < Paprikachu> i don't think i even have to uncompress anything, which is cool
22:38 < Paprikachu> threshold == max packet size
22:38 < Paprikachu> :>
22:54 < Bibl_> http://ge.tt/6sjU5K92/v/0 so many block states D: guess I have to do it your way SpaceManiac
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00:48 < Bibl_> Grum: can i have the Cartesian class? with all the iterator stuff. i cant figure out these generics
03:58 < Fenhl> Paprikachu: I changed the http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Set_Compression notes, does this look better?
07:14 < Grum> Bibl_: Cartesian?
07:22 < Fenhl> what's the name at http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Login_Start ? Player's username?
08:38 < Bibl_> Grum: sorry i went to sleep it looks like http://i.imgur.com/9ZJuAuf.png
09:18 <+md_5-> Bibl_ hm? what do oyu need help with
10:05 < Xor_Boole> <+md_5-> <- lel
10:05 < Xor_Boole> so is the 5 an approximation with uncertanity 1?
10:56 < gurun> avaraging 1ms tick-time with 160 streaming player, can't be a bad thing :-)
10:57 < gurun> Paprikachu must be happy to know that he secret is all in the entity ids
10:57 < gurun> and byte copy
16:17  * gurun broke 500 player limit on server
16:33 < gamingrobot> gg
17:19 < barneygale> gurun, custom server?
17:23 < gurun> Yes avg tick time around 10ms
17:23 < gurun> 400mbit/s on the sending side (don't know on receive)
17:34 < Bibl_> md_5: i went to school, im trying to refactor the minecraft block state stuff and im havnig a hard time putting in the generics
17:35 < barneygale> gurun, is it on github?
17:35 < Bibl_> these classes http://i.imgur.com/Ewc7C9l.png
17:35 < barneygale> (or: is the source available?)
17:36 < gurun> barneygale: yeah it is on github
17:37 < barneygale> oh good
17:37 < barneygale> link?
17:39 < Wuppie> barneygale, for MiNET?
17:39 < barneygale> Thanks Wuppie.
17:39 < Wuppie> barneygale, https://github.com/NiclasOlofsson/MiNET
17:40 < Wuppie> i guess thats what you meant
17:40 < barneygale> Yah
17:40 < gamingrobot> *waves at barneygale*
17:40 < barneygale> I just didn't know what the server was called, so I couldn't google :P
17:41 < barneygale> hi gamingrobot 
17:41 < Wuppie> barneygale,  haha :P
17:50 < TkTech> wiki.vg and all related services will be down temporarily due to a critical CVE that leaked.
17:50 < TkTech> For those that host their own servers, go get the patches for CVE-2015-0235
17:55 < barneygale> HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8953545
17:57 < Gjum> Hey everyone, I'm going through the clientbound 1.8 packets and was wondering where the client gets to know its entity ID. Any ideas?
17:57 < Thinkofdeath> 'Join Game'
17:58 < gurun> It's 0
17:58 < Gjum> oh, always start at the top ^^ thanks
17:58 < Gjum> and no, its not 0 if another client is already online
18:03 < Bibl> Grum: http://i.imgur.com/Ewc7C9l.png are you able to give me the code with generics for this grum bby? <3
18:28 < Grum> Bibl: no idea what Cartesian is
18:28 < Grum> oooooooh wait
18:29  * Bibl waits
18:29 < Grum> Mmm most of them are not too hard ;)
18:29 < Grum> What's the problem with em?
18:29 < Bibl> what about this one? http://i.imgur.com/LPudzQC.png
18:30 < Bibl> i cant put a T there
18:30 < Bibl> because its static and a field
18:30 < Grum> you can put a T in there
18:30 < Grum> lets see if i can find it
18:31 < Grum> i cant, why are you messing with taht code anyhow
18:31 < Grum> that code is seriously not to be messed with
18:31 < Bibl> im refactoring it 
18:31 < Bibl> then i extract and use for block states
18:31 < Grum> refactoring? O.o
18:32 < Grum> it is used for blockstates, by the blockstate definition
18:32 < Bibl> mcp code doesnt have proper naming for stuff and doesnt have generis
18:32 < Bibl> generics*
18:32 < Bibl> ye
18:33 < Grum> The call that is used is called: Iterable<List<Comparable>> product = Cartesian.product(getPropertyValues())
18:34 < Grum> which calls: public static <T> Iterable<List<T>> product(Iterable<? extends Iterable<? extends T>> iterables) -- which should be the 3rd method
18:34 < Bibl> damnit
18:34 < Bibl> means i got something wrong
18:34 < Bibl> 		Iterable<Collection<T>> allowedValuesIterables = Cartesian.cartesianProduct(this.getAllowedValues());
18:34 < Grum> it's a horrrrible class hehe
18:35 < Grum> i made it ;D
18:35 < Bibl> lol
18:35 < Bibl> client still runs tho
18:35 < Grum> yes =D
18:35 < Bibl> how is your blockstate class defined
18:35 < Bibl> public class BlockState<T extends Comparable<T>> {
18:36 < Bibl> i guess you just did <T> ?
18:36 < Grum> BlockState has no T at all
18:36 < Grum> its just an interface
18:37 < Bibl> ^_^
18:37 < Grum> it has <T extends Comparable<T>> T getValue(Property<T> propery) though
18:37 < Bibl> wait mcp has IBlockState and BlockState
18:37 < Bibl> I did
18:37 < Bibl> 	IBlockState<T> withProperty(IProperty<T> property, T value);
18:37 < Grum> our AbstractBlockstate also has no <T>
18:38 < Bibl> wrong method sorry
18:38 < Grum> yes but the class/interface itself has no T
18:38 < Bibl> 	T getValue(IProperty<T> property);
18:38 < Bibl> lol it works tho :D
18:38 < Bibl> public abstract interface IBlockState<T extends Comparable<T>> {
18:38 < Bibl> why so generic 
18:39 < Grum> yes that is: <T extends Comparable<T>>, V extends T> BlockState setValue(Property<T> property, V value)
18:39 < Grum> oh sorry, one too many >>'s 
18:40 < Bibl> i made it T extends Comparable<T> because all the implementations already implement Comparable
18:40 < Bibl> like the Integer, Boolean, and Enum one
18:40 < Grum> Not all
18:40 < Bibl> which doesnt?
18:40 < Grum> Enum? O.o
18:41 < Bibl> the enum class (extends Enum) implements Comparable
18:41 < Grum> errrr does it? :p
18:41 < Grum> could be!
18:41 < Bibl> public abstract class Enum<E extends Enum<E>> implements Comparable<E>, Serializable {
18:41 < Bibl> ye
18:41 < Bibl> i am le bytecode master
18:41 < Grum> not much to do with bytecode
18:41 < Bibl> i did some type inference thing and i saw that when i was messing out
18:41 < Bibl> around*
18:42 < Grum> but erm we have our own types
18:42 < Bibl> GrumInteger?
18:42 < Bibl> Boolum
18:43 < Grum> Direction :p
18:43 < Bibl> public class PropertyDirection extends PropertyEnum<EnumFacing> { ?
18:44 < Bibl> public class PropertyEnum<T extends Enum<T>> extends PropertyHelper<T> {
18:44 < Grum> Helper!? BUTCHERY!
18:44 < Bibl> ikr
18:44 < Bibl> is it just abstractproperty?
18:44 < Grum> AbstractProperty :p
18:44 < Grum> yeah
18:44 < Bibl> searge pls
18:44 < Grum> hehe 
18:46 < Grum> anyhow; Bibl; https://gist.github.com/grum/3c14aff852a811ac319d
18:46 < Bibl> "@SuppressWarnings("unchecked")" knew it
18:47 < Grum> ofcourse
18:47 < Bibl> couldnt get it without
18:47 < Grum> you cannot get away with that when doing that
18:47 < Grum> some comments are also fun, you get runtime errors otherwise
18:47 < Grum> such fun!
18:48 < Bibl> wait then whats 	static class Product implements Iterable {
18:49 < Grum> pfftt
18:49 < Bibl> i tried
18:49 < Bibl> 	static class Product<T> implements Iterable<T[]> {
18:49 < Bibl> but its giving me errors
18:49 < Grum> ProductIterator<T> extends UnmodifiableIterator<T[]>
18:50 < Grum> what do you attemped to do?
18:50 < Grum> because you *really* shouldn't want to be touching those classes
18:50 < Grum> it will *really* fuck things up badly when you do
18:51 < Grum> It's basically the core of the whole blockstate systme
18:51 < Bibl> im putting all the generics in and then taking those classes out and using it for block stuff
18:51 < Grum> 'using it for block stuff'
18:51 < Bibl> for another project
18:51 < Grum> what?
18:51 < Grum> meh you can just recreate it without doing that :p
18:52 < Grum> we had to make it 'generate once' and '100% unmodifiable'
18:52 < Grum> that is why it is that hard
18:52 < Bibl> http://hastebin.com/dabogowoko.coffee i didnt realise how wrong this way
18:52 < Bibl> this was*
18:52 < Bibl> then i dumped the block state stuff
18:52 < Bibl> like the table ids
18:52 < Bibl> and there are thousands of different ids
18:53 < Grum> hihi enjoy
18:53 < Thinkofdeath> Are you trying to get the block states -> ids/data?
18:53 < Bibl> lmao
18:53 < Grum> it has a table of that statically
18:53 < Grum> for whatever maps
18:53 < Bibl> yea
18:54 < SopaXorzTaker> Developers! Developers!! Developers!!! Develo... uh.
18:54 < SopaXorzTaker> I have a problem
18:54 < Grum> afk
18:54 < SopaXorzTaker> how to make offline-mod UUID's
18:54 < Thinkofdeath> https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/master/proxy/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/connection/InitialHandler.java#L425 convert into language of your choice
18:55 < Grum> you can basically do whatever
18:55 < Grum> but i do not think that is what we do
18:55 < Bibl> Grum: whats the point of
18:55 < Bibl> 		// Excess casting needed :(
18:55 < Bibl> 		return list.toArray((T[]) newArray(elementType, list.size()));
18:56 < Bibl> return (T[]) list.toArray((T[])newArray(elementType, list.size())); *
18:56 < Grum> oh god we do >.>
18:56 < Grum> Bibl: just that
18:56 < Bibl> why do you need that extra cast
18:56 < Grum> because of what it says there
18:56 < Grum> it is needed
18:56 < Bibl> oh i replaced it to that first line of code i posted
18:57 < Bibl> <Bibl>   return list.toArray((T[]) newArray(elementType, list.size()));
18:57 < Bibl> i thought i was casting twice
18:57 < Grum> the lines i put comments at were needed
18:58 < Grum> because java sucks
18:58 < Bibl> for Product
18:58 < Bibl> private Product(Class<T> clazz, Iterable[] iterables) {
18:59 < Bibl> it is Iterable<T>[]?
18:59 < Bibl> or T[]
19:00 < Grum>         private Product(Class<T> resultType, Iterable<? extends T>[] iterables) {
19:01 < Bibl> is this a special mojangsta joke?
19:03 < Grum> ?
19:04 < Bibl> this is ridiculous lol
19:06 < Grum> as i said, do not use it
19:11 < Grum> was seriously not intended to be prodded at
19:13 < Bibl> how else can i implement block states though :/
19:13 < Grum> why would you need to do that? ;D
19:13 < Grum> implement it yourself :)
20:04 < gurun> lol
20:44 < getName> Hey guys. I'm trying to create a python script to make a handshake with a minecraft server then connect a player to it. I didn't work with packets, protocols, etc. I need something like a tutorial with sending packets from python to a server. Thank you!
21:02 < Paprikachu> getName: http://wiki.vg/Protocol
21:03 < getName> Is there a tutorial in python or php about sending packets?
21:10 <+SpaceManiac> getName: you can probably find a tutorial by looking up 'python networking' or similar - MC protocol is TCP
21:10 <+SpaceManiac> you might also have luck finding an existing Python implementation of the protocol
21:10 < getName> Thank you!
21:11 < getName> Actually I want to learn about sending and receiving packets.
21:12 < Paprikachu> getName: this is probably relevant for you: http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
21:12 < Paprikachu> actually nvm wrong link
21:13 < Paprikachu> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ
21:13 < getName> Thx.
21:15 < Gjum> getName: also https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/
21:17 < getName> Thank you guys for helping me. I'm going to try working on this.
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22:06 < gamingrobot> aw he didnt hang around
22:37 < gamingrobot> oh thats weird, the client sends updatesign if they click done, or escape
22:38 < gamingrobot> oh thats even weirder, escape doesnt put nothing on the sign, it does the exact same thing done does
22:54 < Fenhl> yeah it's a neat shortcut
23:06 < gamingrobot> that feels wrong though
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00:41 < Bibl> does spigot not support the new doors?
00:42 <+SpaceManiac> new doors?
00:42 <+SpaceManiac> oh
00:42 <+SpaceManiac> uh, you'd have to ask the Spigot people
00:50 <+Amaranth> Any API for doors hasn't worked since 1.2
00:51 < Gjum_> Is there some documentation on how respawning a client works? I.e. the packets sent from death to being visible again to other players
00:51 <+SpaceManiac> Gjum_: send the Respawn packet, then basically everything else you'd send after Join Game
00:52 <+SpaceManiac> for other players, there's a death animation (in Entity Status, I think) you can play and then probably you want to remove and re-spawn the player
00:55 < Gjum_> the thing is, my client respawns but other players do not see him until they relog
00:56 < Gjum_> maybe I need to send a position packet, but I was wondering when and how
00:57 < Gjum_> uhh nvm, magically it is working now... ?!
01:03 < Bibl> same thing with me Gjum
01:10 < gamingrobot> its so odd when spock places blocks because it doesnt send the animation so blocks just appear
01:10 < Bibl> ncp blocks thatr
01:10 < Bibl> as noswing
01:10  * Bibl sleeps
01:10 < Gjum_> well just send the animation then... ^^
01:11 < gamingrobot> I know its just something I figured the server would make and send not have the client do it
01:11 < gamingrobot> oh you placed a block ok *sends place block animation to all other clients*
01:11 < Gjum_> a lot of stuff the server should do is done by the client
01:12 < Gjum_> like checking for onGround
01:15 < gamingrobot> hey we are going to make sure you dont go though blocks but we are going to let you tell us if you are on the ground :P
01:16 < gamingrobot> just makes writing a bot framework that much more fun
03:03 <+md_5> Bibl2 doors work fine lol
05:44 <+SpaceManiac> hmm, looks like client can sometimes forget to send settings
06:02 < Xor_Bool-> SpaceManiac perhaps "forget" is putting it a but kindly
09:48 < WizardCM> don't you just hate it when the collision boxes are completely inaccurate?
09:48  * WizardCM points at armor stands
09:49 < Fenhl> WizardCM: you mean these things that don't have collision boxes?
09:50 < Fenhl> :P
09:50 < WizardCM> Fenhl: this apparently counts as hitting the collision box http://wizrd.tk/jc6nx3
09:51 < Fenhl> ok now I'm confused
09:51 < Fenhl> lol
09:51 < WizardCM> Fenhl: ok, how about this - this would hit the armor stand, not the grass block i'm looking at http://wizrd.tk/f1gefx
09:53 < Fenhl> ah
09:53 < Fenhl> hitbox
09:54 < WizardCM> ooooh, or how about this one - i can't hit the dirt http://wizrd.tk/yi608s
09:54 < WizardCM> this is making my runescape item drop system a pain in the butt xD
09:54 < WizardCM> especially combined with this http://wizrd.tk/92hx5c
11:18 < Paprikachu|work> so... how are negative numbers encoded in varints
11:19 < Paprikachu|work> does mc encode all the sign bits as well?
11:19 < shoghicp> bitshifting magic :)
11:19 < Fenhl> Paprikachu|work: you encode it as a signed int using two's complement, then encode that as a VarInt
11:20 < Paprikachu|work> des -1 result in a single byte with the value 0111 1111 or with 5 bytes
11:20 < Paprikachu|work> does
11:20 < Paprikachu|work> actually nevermind
11:20 < Fenhl> it's a VarInt right? not a VarLong or whatever
11:20 < Paprikachu|work> that would be ambiguous
11:20 < Paprikachu|work> it has to be 5 bytes
11:21 < Fenhl> yeah it is
11:21 < Paprikachu|work> what about the leftover bits
11:21 < Paprikachu|work> are the sign bits, yero bits or irrelevant
11:21 < Fenhl> 0
11:21 < Paprikachu|work> *z
11:21 < Paprikachu|work> mh, ok
11:21 < Paprikachu|work> thanks#
11:22 < Fenhl> (or at least they should be. If they're not the wiki is wrong)
11:23 < Paprikachu|work> that makes my encoding very simle actually
11:23 < Paprikachu|work> just gotta convert signed to unsigned
11:38 < angal> Hello, I'm server. When i spawna player, at (8, 26, 8), client tps at (8.5, 65, 8.5), then fall down few blocks and after then tp's at my coords.
11:38 < angal> All packets exchange - http://pastebin.com/MbnXGHyp
11:39 < angal> Is it intended behaviour of client, or i'm doing something wrong?
12:26 < ackpacket> There are hacked clients that do a .enchant, and end up loading an item with a bunch of rediculous enchantments.  They require the player to be in creative of course.  I logged the packets sent and it looks like all they are doing is sending a 0x11 with the inventory window as the clicked window, and the slow follows a range of numbers over the next few packers
12:27 < ackpacket> e.g.   Client:  0x11 0x00 0x10, client: 0x11 0x00 0x13
12:27 < ackpacket> What explains this behavior?
12:29 < Thinkofdeath> They most likely use Creative Inventory Action not the Enchant Item packet
12:29 < Thinkofdeath> You sure your logging is correct?
13:05 < ackpacket> Thinkofdeath: yup, 0x11
13:05 < ackpacket> on 1.7.2
13:06  * Thinkofdeath shrugs
13:06 < Thinkofdeath> I don't remember that far back
13:06 < ackpacket> my theory is that the server somehow calculates an enchantment based on slot number, but has no guard against slot numbers as high as 127
13:55 < angal> Does item have metadata and should spawn as object?
15:02 < angal> Yes... Ok.
15:25 < gamingrobot> why is the entity id in Join Game different from the one in Spawn Player?
15:29 < gamingrobot> ohhh because Spawn Player is another player appeared
17:44 < SopaXorzTaker> shoghicp, hello
17:44 < SopaXorzTaker> congrats for being a Mojangsta!
18:50 < Bibl> anyone here have their own client?>
18:51 < Grum> i do!
18:51 < Bibl> are you able to connect to
18:51 < Bibl> play.buildersunite.net
18:51 < Bibl> my client just hangs
18:52 < Bibl> no timeout or anything
18:52 < Grum> you know it is vanilla right? ;D
18:52 < Bibl> ye
18:52 < Grum> i cannot connect unless i know the version :p
18:52 < Bibl> 1,8
18:52 < Bibl> 1.8
18:52 < Grum> there.
18:53 < Bibl> grumpls
18:53 < Grum> i jsut connected?
18:53 < Bibl> yeah
18:53 < Grum> works fine
18:53 < Bibl> my client cant connect to this server
18:53 < Bibl> all other servers work fine
18:53 < Grum> your client sucks
18:53 < Bibl> i own minecraft noob
18:54 < Bibl> we have expert programmers
18:54 < Bibl> like botch and brum
18:54 < Bibl> beb
18:55 < Bibl> i cant figure out why this isnt working omg
18:55 < Grum> l2code
18:55 < Grum> l2mc
18:56 < Grum> l2network
18:56 < Grum> l2internet
18:56 < Bibl> extreme couldnt handle it
18:57 < dx> too extreme for him
18:57 < Bibl> see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ytTKZf344
18:58 < Bibl> seen*
19:00 < dx> that was highly educative thanks Bibl
19:01 < Bibl> stupid jelly witch
19:04 < Bibl> "Failed to establish connection." thanks netty
19:34 < Bibl> 			if (!future.isSuccess()) {
19:34 < Bibl> 				future.cause().printStackTrace();
19:34 < Bibl> 			}
19:34 < Bibl> Failed to establish connection.java.lang.NullPointerException
19:34 < Bibl> 	at org.topdank.minenet.lib.network.TcpClient.connect(TcpClient.java:114)
19:34 < Bibl> thanks netty
19:34 < Bibl> "Failed to establish connection."
19:37 < Grum> that is what it knows :)
19:50 < Bibl> ok apparently java.nio.channels.UnresolvedAddressException
20:19 < Bibl> https://a.pomf.se/dbrnjx.png lol wot
20:32 < Grum> hahahaha
20:32 < Gjum> they think your bot has a dns
20:35 < Bibl> i dont even know what that means
20:37 < Grum> neither do the people who banned you
20:38 < Bibl> we werent even doing anything lol
20:38 < Bibl> that server had some srv ip lookup thing
20:38 < Bibl> so we couldnt connect with its ip
20:40 < Grum> that is quite normal?
20:40 < Grum> i guess you have a poopy client? :D
20:41 < Bibl> i dunno my friend said something about a/cname w/e blah blah blah
20:48 < gamingrobot> Bibl: maybe they think your playing mc though dns http://code.kryo.se/iodine/ :P
20:48 < Bibl> i have a feeling they dont know what means lol
20:48 < Bibl> what that*
21:09 < Xor_Boole> so I presume we'rew getting an api for spooper data, or did I missread dinnerbro's tweet?
21:18 < dx> most likely just a torrent
21:25 < Grum> probably not raw data
21:25 < Grum> you are heavily underestimating how much it is
21:25 < Xor_Boole> Grum meh, /something/ would be nice
21:25 < Grum> probably likely the graphs themselves
21:25 < Dinnerbone> We'll give access to some charts and parsed data, and maybe raw data every now and again if anyone can prove they can actually use it for something. :D
21:26 < Grum> raw data seriously is a lot :)
21:26 < Xor_Boole> Dinnerbone something something advertising and money-making schemes something something
21:26 < Xor_Boole> Grum in the order of...?
21:26 < Grum> 100gb/day of raw data
21:26 < Xor_Boole> so that's why amazon hates you guys
21:26  * Xor_Boole runs
21:26 < Grum> hmm wait that seems not a lot
21:27 < Grum> hehe
21:27 < Grum> Dinnerbone: what was the packed size? something like 400mb/hr right?
21:27  * Xor_Boole checks snooper datagramthiny
21:27 < Dinnerbone> I just remember it was 15GB 1 day avg when individually compressed.
21:28 < Dinnerbone> So / 24 / 2
21:28 < Xor_Boole> did I seriously just search wiki.vg on wiki.vg?
21:28 < Grum> yeah sounds more like it
21:28  * Xor_Boole jostles head
21:28 < Grum> so around 300gb when you uncompress it
21:29 < Xor_Boole> anyways, an API I'd like to see is a) list of unique responses for snooper requests (probably the ones that have repeats over some threshold) and count for response time over time interval
21:29 < Grum> so really not that much, around ~110TB :0
21:30 < MrARM> wow
21:30 < Xor_Boole> e.g. request a list of java versions, then request the number of people with a version over an interval
21:30 < MrARM> was it like that earlier?
21:30 < Grum> per year sorry ;D
21:30 < MrARM> I think you gave raw data earlier, didn't you?
21:31 < Grum> Xor_Boole: we have those graphs yes
21:31 < Dinnerbone> Yes, they are still available on the sites
21:31 < Dinnerbone> The format has changed since then, however, and obviously the amount of data has gone up.
21:31 < Xor_Boole> Grum will they be available in a json form?
21:31 < Xor_Boole> that's literally all I'm interested as far as snooper data. most is pretty much useless if you guys already do funneling for us
21:31 < Grum> not sure, Dinnerbone, what is planned!
21:32 < Grum> just exposing our graphs externally?
21:32 < Dinnerbone> The raw data is linebreak delimited json objects
21:32 < Xor_Boole> well, I'm not worried about json-based APIs given how much you lurve json
21:32 < Xor_Boole> personally I'd like not to have to parse svg graphs
21:32 < Dinnerbone> XML it is!
21:32 < Xor_Boole> but that's just taste I supp-
21:32 < Xor_Boole> oh fuck you
21:32 < SinZ> ughhh
21:32  * Xor_Boole gives up
21:33 < Grum> no! fixed with aligned truncated fields!
21:33  * Xor_Boole flips a table at dinnerbone
21:33 < Dinnerbone> A SOAP endpoint. :D
21:33 < Grum> *width
21:33 < Grum> mmm SOAP :p
21:33 < Xor_Boole> you've been using maven for too long
21:33 < Dinnerbone> Haha since forever
21:33 < Xor_Boole> #sbtmasterrace
21:33 < Xor_Boole> you guys use maven in-house correct?
21:33 < Dinnerbone> I can't remember the last time I touched an xml file
21:33 < Xor_Boole> or is it gradle?
21:33 < Dinnerbone> Was probably when I accidentally opened a docx file in sublime
21:33 < Dinnerbone> :D
21:34 < Dinnerbone> Or whichever of those obscure formats is xml
21:34 < Xor_Boole> docx is xml? I swear it's a binary format
21:34 < Xor_Boole> Dinnerbone svg I think?
21:34 < Thinkofdeath> I thought docx was a zip of xml files?
21:34 < MrARM> docx is afaik an zip
21:34 < Xor_Boole> svg is xml because it was desinged by cavemen
21:34 < Xor_Boole> Thinkofdeath > implying anyone gives a shit about docx
21:34 < MrARM> no, because it was done for html
21:35 < Xor_Boole> xml is still barbarian
21:35 < Xor_Boole> remember that json-as-xml monstrocity?
21:35 < MrARM> Also, dammit thinkofdeath was quicker
21:35 < Grum> html is xml!
21:35 < Xor_Boole> Dinnerbone wanna make the modding API executable json (not js) as xml?
21:36 < Grum> Xor_Boole: that will be asm
21:36 < Xor_Boole> yey asm!
21:36 < Grum> oh and it is done
21:36 < MrARM> With instructions as XML tags!
21:36 < Grum> didn't you notice? you can do anything with asm!
21:36 < Xor_Boole> Grum ostensibly yes, but there's no native loading system
21:36 < Xor_Boole> until you have a loading system there is no API
21:36 < Xor_Boole> resource pack loading doesn't count
21:37 < MrARM> just make a thing loading all binaries from a folder
21:37 < Grum> we have the launcher
21:37 < Grum> that loads stuff ;)
21:37 < MrARM> you'll make Xor_Boole happy
21:38 < Xor_Boole> Grum you'd be a good lawyer. or a bad one, depends on the definition
21:38 < gurun_> Grun, quick question. Are you keeping the world-generators for PC and PE fairly the same?
21:38 < gurun_> Grum: ^
21:38 < Grum> no, but the goal is to have them be the same eventually
21:38 < MrARM> these are not same afaik
21:38 < Grum> well they are fairly the same now
21:38 < Grum> not 'the same' :p
21:39 < MrARM> biome list differ a bit I think
21:39 < MrARM> also, nether and the end gen, is it implemented?
21:39 < gurun_> yeah, things like that .. but i was after the "goal". So you gave the "right" answer. Thanks.
21:40 < MrARM> also, do you also work on PE?
21:40 < gurun_> MrARM: i'm guessing it is not a huge office. Swedish sallaries are way too high :-P
21:41 < gurun_> (even though not close to Copenhagen i have to say)
21:42 < Grum> swedish salaries are high?
21:42 < Grum> man i should move to sweden then
21:43 < MrARM> lol
21:43 < Grum> gurun_: got a number in your mind that you consider high? :)
21:44 < Xor_Boole> Grum I'd like to move to sweden. you guys have less snow
21:44  * Xor_Boole looks out the window at the blizzard
21:44 < gurun_> 90kDKK last job, this job a bit lower. I have about double as a developer in DK as in SE. I have best both worlds since i live in Malmö :-P
21:44  * Xor_Boole looks back at his computer screen
21:45 < gurun_> so high in sweden, around 50k
21:45 < Grum> Not sure how 50k is high :/
21:46 < MrARM> right, you get 500k
21:46 < Grum> if only lol
21:46 < gurun_> i never made 50k in SEK.
21:46 < gurun_> but .. i was in small towns.
21:46 < Grum> so why are you making ~100k SEK in dk? :D
21:46 < gurun_> i guess SHOLM is a bit higher. 
21:47 < gurun_> 4 milion people
21:47 < gurun_> none working.
21:47 < gurun_> they need us.
21:47 < gurun_> bad
21:47 < gurun_> but when i started, it was almost 20% higher than now. SEK has been growing a bit too strong for my liking :-P
21:48 < Grum> fading now though
21:48 < gurun_> i hope so (traiter I am)
21:49 < gurun_> hmm .. that turned into a combination of trader and traitor
21:49 < Grum> hehe
21:50 < gurun_> but i did medical stuff earlier, and now investment banking. SO I guess i found lucrative business.
22:00 < Xor_Boole> sigh, school starts next month, can we please get a snapshot before school starts so I can try to break /something/?
22:01 < gamingrobot> *drools over all the data*
22:02  * Xor_Boole catches the drool in a cup and sends it the cloning facility
22:03 < gamingrobot> hahaha
22:03 < gamingrobot> I am either doing something wrong or spigot handles block place / block break differently from vanilla
22:04 < Xor_Boole> gamingrobot degine "something wrong"
22:07 < gamingrobot> If I send held item of -1 to a spigot server the block still places, if I do it on a vanilla server the block doesnt place
22:08 < gamingrobot> ohhhh I know why its not working
22:08 < Gjum> -1 works for me, what did you do wrong?
22:08 < gamingrobot> the slot encoding code is just encoding to null
22:08 < Gjum> ^^
22:08 < gamingrobot> is Gjum  == Grum 
22:09 < Gjum> nope
22:09 < Gjum> actually my nick is older than Grum works at mojang
22:11 < Gjum> so no reference there
22:11 < Xor_Boole> Gjum that sounds like something Grum would say when he's in a trolly mood
22:11 < gamingrobot> so on a vanilla server would work with held item of -1 if I encode the slot correct?
22:12 < Thinkofdeath> gamingrobot: what version of minecraft?
22:12 < Gjum> 1.8 yes
22:12 < gamingrobot> 1.8.1
22:12 < gamingrobot> what version did server side inventories appear?
22:12 < SinZ> Grum: Do you guys have a TV showing realtime stats yet?
22:13 < Thinkofdeath> huh I thought I made the handling more vanilla like in 1.8 for block placement
22:13 < Xor_Boole> SinZ it's mojang, it's a dance floor
22:13 < gamingrobot> If held item ends up being null, spigot still places the block, if I do that for a vanilla server it doesnt work, so I guess spigot just does extra checks
22:14 < gamingrobot> I just dumped the packet data with protocollib and figured out that it was null
22:14 < Xor_Boole> anyone want a blizzard? I'm kind of tired of mine
22:14 < Xor_Boole> then again so is everyone in boston at this point
22:18 < Thinkofdeath> gamingrobot: odd, as far as I can tell both spigot and vanilla ignore the itemstack sent in that packet apart from deciding whether it will send an inventory update back
22:18 < gamingrobot> I was talking about held_item not itemstack
22:19 < gamingrobot> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_Block_Placement The Held Item there
22:19 < Thinkofdeath> Held item is a 'Slot' type, which is an itemstack with bukkit's names :P
22:19 < Gjum> isnt there only one field for that?
22:20 < Gjum> wiki.vg says 'Held item', and setting it to -1 works at least in 1.8.1 vanilla
22:20 < gamingrobot> yea I was setting it to null because my encoding was messed up
22:27 < gurun_> Anyone here doing professional MC hosting?
22:27 < Gjum> professional as in? multiple servers, many users?
22:27 < Gjum> custom plugins?
22:29 < gurun_> hosting, servers.
22:29 < gurun_> like lbsg
22:34 < MrARM> so plugins, servers, users
22:43 < gamingrobot> nvm the slot encoding is correct, protocol lib prints a held item of -1 as null
22:43 < gamingrobot> go figure
--- Day changed jeu. janv. 29 2015
00:12 < gurun_> MrARM: well, plugins server .. all that, yes. The real question was; Is world saving necessary for a pro host when they only basically offer PVP
00:16 < jython234> gurun_: lol
00:35 < gurun_> hmm.. i think i missed the fun
06:42 < Grum> SinZ: no :( we have an internal page though
06:43 < SinZ> Aww
06:43 < Grum> 'soon' tm
09:58 < prplz> players with 1 letter usernames just appeared on my server...
09:58 < prplz> cause for concern?
09:58 < prplz> this one: https://api.mojang.com/users/profiles/minecraft/r
10:03 < Dinnerbone> There are 1 letter usernames, you just can't make them anymore.
10:03 <+md_5> Dinnerbone hehehe, he has "ho", "r" and "ny" on his server right now
10:05 < Dinnerbone> Nice.
10:06 < gurun> I think the order is "NY r ho"
10:07 < prplz> http://prntscr.com/5yg54c
10:07 < prplz> nope
10:16 < Dinnerbone> Actually using our authentication servers?
10:16 < Dinnerbone> All 3 accounts are legit, it's possible someone is just being funny.
10:17 < Fenhl> legacy: true ?
10:17 < prplz> yes it's real Dinnerbone
10:17 < Fenhl> does that mean it's not a Mojang account?
10:17 < prplz> Fenhl it means login with username, not email
10:18 < prplz> non-migrated
10:18 < Fenhl> yeah
10:18 < Fenhl> that's what I thought
10:20 < SinZ> I dont see why it cant be migrated?
10:21 < SinZ> just decided not to I guess
12:24 < ScruffyRules> Hey Dinnerbone. *Nudge* Why are some Server unconnect-able?
12:24 < ScruffyRules> xD
12:30 < jast> how about you make your question even more vague
13:03 < SinZ> jast: why is there a bug?
13:13 < jast> SinZ: because of reasons
14:11 < SopaXorzTaker> Hey! Who writes a server, can provide a dummy chunk in 0x21 packet please
14:11 < SopaXorzTaker> *need for testing
14:33 < Bibl> half day at school
14:33 < Bibl> [13:28:48] Вiы: left at 12:25
14:33 < Bibl> [13:28:49 | Edited 13:28:52] Вiы: walked home
14:33 < Bibl> [13:28:54] Вiы: now is 13:28
14:33 < Bibl> god bless
14:39 < gamingrobot> SopaXorzTaker: you want the raw bytes?
14:39 < SopaXorzTaker> yeah
14:43 < gamingrobot> SopaXorzTaker: https://gist.github.com/gamingrobot/406ad69ac7361d0b2074
14:44 < gamingrobot> not entirely sure what the p's are
14:44 < gamingrobot> its a python byte string
14:46 < SopaXorzTaker> did this originate from a vanilla server?
14:46 < SopaXorzTaker> so, this is a dummy chunk
14:47 < gamingrobot> it originated from a spigot server, one sec
14:50 < gamingrobot> SopaXorzTaker: https://gist.github.com/gamingrobot/406ad69ac7361d0b2074
14:50 < gamingrobot> thats from a vanilla server
14:50 < gamingrobot> its from a empty flatland map, hope it helps
14:50 < SopaXorzTaker> that doesn't generally matter for me :D, but, is this from a 0x21 packet
14:51 < gamingrobot> yup
14:51 < SopaXorzTaker> okay :D
14:52 < SopaXorzTaker> thanks
14:52 < SopaXorzTaker> I'm writing a server in Python
14:52 < SopaXorzTaker> shit-coded, but working xD
14:53 < gamingrobot> https://github.com/nickelpro/spock
14:53 < gamingrobot> might help with testing
14:53 < gamingrobot> I should probably update the demo
14:55 < SopaXorzTaker> in my code, packet fields are stored in a dict (pwee!)
14:55 < SopaXorzTaker> and decoded manually (yuck!)
14:57 < SopaXorzTaker> gamingrobot, also, what fields the packed had before the *painful* dissection?
14:57 < gamingrobot> ?
14:57 < SopaXorzTaker> poor little piece of data... I meant
14:57 < gamingrobot> refresh the gist
14:57 < SopaXorzTaker> Before you decoded it
14:57 < gamingrobot> oh
14:57 < SopaXorzTaker> It had additional fields
14:58 < SopaXorzTaker> oh!
14:58 < SopaXorzTaker> Thanks
14:58 < gamingrobot> yea I updated the gist with more information about the packet, the data section is the actual chunk data
15:01 < SopaXorzTaker> oh, I see!
15:14 < SopaXorzTaker> hey gamingrobot, can you please provide the full log of you connecting to server like this with authentihication packets censored?
15:16 < gamingrobot> yea sure one sec
15:22 < gamingrobot> lol gist tab crashed while trying to paste it in
15:22 < SopaXorzTaker> gamingrobot, 340 have passed
15:22 < SopaXorzTaker> xD
15:22 < SopaXorzTaker> ok
15:22 < gamingrobot> my router reset right after you sent that message
15:23 < SopaXorzTaker> D:
15:25 < gamingrobot> SopaXorzTaker: do you need the 0x21 packet in this dump?
15:25 < SopaXorzTaker> yeah
15:25 < SopaXorzTaker> I need the whole process
15:31 < gamingrobot> oh thats why gist broke, I tried to paste 20mb of text
15:31 < SopaXorzTaker> ah
15:35 < gamingrobot> Warning really really large file http://indium.gamingrobot.net/packetsbatman.txt
15:39 < gamingrobot> SopaXorzTaker: that work?
15:41 < SopaXorzTaker> richtig!
15:41 < SopaXorzTaker> thanks
16:21 < SopaXorzTaker> damn
16:21 < SopaXorzTaker> the client waits for MapChunkBulk
16:21 < SopaXorzTaker> I'm lazy to encode it'
16:21 < SopaXorzTaker> :<
17:26 < Bibl> https://gist.github.com/TheBiblMan/e6e0399c6504bf7147a5 i dont understand why the x and z values are ANDed
17:31 < dx> uh, getting the x/y/z within a 16x16x16 chunk?
17:53 < gurun> Bibl: did you understand it or .. do you want the explanation?
17:53 < gurun> it was actually much smarter than i did :-)
17:54 < Bibl> why would it be & 15 rather than %
17:54 < Bibl> because if you're trying to get the block location as a chunk offset
17:54 < Bibl> surely it would be % 16 ?
17:54 < gurun> i believe it is because you take an absolute world coordinate, and regardless where you are, the last 4 bits will always tell where within a chunk you are
17:54 < Bibl> huh
17:54 < Bibl> ok
17:55 < gurun> but i think that would a LOT faster than doing the math on it
17:55 < Bibl> im doing https://gist.github.com/TheBiblMan/363099554d6c66c7c568
17:56 < gurun> hehe, i love the shit math going on in Minecraft :-)
17:56 < Bibl> hmm, code still works :/
17:57 < gurun> basically it is doing the same as you chunkbaseX - x
17:57 < gurun> sorry x-chunkbasex
17:57 < gurun> damn, now i have to rewrite all the code to do that trick instead :-P
17:57 < Bibl> how are you doing it?
17:57 < gurun> math :-)
17:58 < gurun> i don't use >> 4 and stuff much.
17:58 < gurun> it makes the code unreadible for normal coders
17:58 < Bibl> code? :)
17:58 < gurun> hehe
17:59 < gurun> unfortunat for the rest of us, whoever wrote the original code that everybody else is copying from absolutely loved shit math
17:59 < gurun> haha s/shit/shift/ but .. point being the same
18:01 < Bibl> is shifting bad?
18:01 < Bibl> i was doing divinding before and someone said it was faster to >> instead
18:01 < Dinnerbone> Use constants, more readable!
18:01 < Bibl> dividing*
18:01 < Bibl> Dinnerbone: constant for the number 4? 
18:02 < Dinnerbone> Yes, what is 4 here? What does it mean? Why not 3?
18:02 < Bibl> because 4 is better than 3
18:02 < Dinnerbone> Ah, so 5! :D
18:02 < gamingrobot> because 4 is randomly picked by a dice roll
18:02 < Bibl> do they not teach that in school where you're from?
18:02 < Bibl> nono, you need to pay attention is number choosing class
18:02 < Bibl> in*
18:02 < Dinnerbone> No, our schools were not for four
18:02 < Bibl> oh
18:03 < Bibl> my school curiculum is based on the number 4
18:03 < Dinnerbone> Must be expensive, the three courses were free.
18:04 < Dinnerbone> My parents didn't want me taking the five ones, it didn't jive.
18:04 < Bibl> kinda but my parents studied four at university so they're doing quite well
18:06 < Bibl> is it better to do
18:06 < Bibl> map.remove(id)
18:06 < Bibl> or do a map.contains first
18:07 < Bibl> is hashmap.remove expensive when you try to remove a key that isnt there?
18:07 < gamingrobot> seems like it it would be less expensive becuase it doesnt have to do anything
18:07 < Bibl> thanks
18:08 < gamingrobot> but I am not a java expert :P
18:08 < Dinnerbone> Contains, remove and get all need to actually dig into its records to get to the key, whatever your intentions
18:08 < Dinnerbone> It's actually more expensive to contains and get, or contains and remove, because you're asking it to go find the record, then do nothing, then go find the record and remove it.
18:17 < Bibl> zoot
18:17 < Bibl> die
18:17 < Bibl> no1 loves u m8
18:18 < _zoot> :'(
18:29 < dx> so rude
18:29  * dx hugs _zoot
18:30 < SopaXorzTaker> Thanks Dinnerbone for the server check tool
18:30 < SopaXorzTaker> :)
18:31 < Gjum> Dinnerbone: is the server check tool open source btw?
18:31 < dx> https://github.com/Dinnerbone/mcstatus/ ?
18:31 < Gjum> could get a better color code parsing mechanism imo
18:31 < Gjum> ooo thanks :)
18:32 < gamingrobot> I need to write one of those for a rcon tool
18:32 < SopaXorzTaker> dx, yeah
18:51 < gurun> Bibl: remove is usually a very expensive operation except for linked lists impl, stack and queue
18:52 < Bibl> im talking maps
18:52 < gurun> usually the same cost as Add-not-to-the-end
18:53 < gurun> sorry, when it starts with has in .net it's usually not a map :-P
18:53 < gurun> was one of the most confusing shit when migrating my brain from java to .net
19:04 < SopaXT> Oh
19:04 < SopaXT> What if I violate the EULA?
19:05 < SopaXorzTaker> Will Mojang DDOS my server if I will ignore their request?
19:05 < SopaXorzTaker> ->no hate, jus tinterested
19:07 < _zoot> SopaXorzTaker: if you violate the EULA a fat swedish man is going to come break your kneecaps
19:08 < SopaXorzTaker> with a baseball bat
19:08 < SopaXorzTaker> D:
19:09 < Xor_Boole> 13:07 <_zoot> [12:58:32] SopaXorzTaker: if you violate the EULA a fat swedish man is going to come break your kneecaps
19:09 < Xor_Boole> incorrect
19:09 < Xor_Boole> first you'll get a teary-eyed email from marc
19:09 < Xor_Boole> /then/ they'll send the viking lawyers after you
19:09 < _zoot> "Stop! You violated the EULA. Pay the court a fine or serve your sentance."
19:09 < Xor_Boole> I'd be really, really surprised if mojang didn't send a light warning first
19:10 < Xor_Boole> much cheaper and easier than deploying the calvary
19:10 < SopaXorzTaker> I'll use 'DA TORZ.IM SECUR AND U LAMER HAXR NERD LOLOLOL'
19:10 < _zoot> make sure you wear a hoodie and conceal your face when you use the computer
19:10 < SopaXorzTaker> But what if I use a anonymizer
19:10 < SopaXorzTaker> gluing my webcam
19:10 < Xor_Boole> I called someone a nerd on facebook the other day. I was told I can't talk.
19:10 < SopaXorzTaker> and wearing a tinfoil hat
19:11 < Xor_Boole> apparently I'm #foreveranerd
19:11 < _zoot> then install a source-based linux distribution and some unheard of windowmanager + green and black terminal theme
19:11 < _zoot> then you can be 1337 anonymous hacker: the violator of EULAs
19:11 < Xor_Boole> _zoot look at my term http://puu.sh/fccEV/c720c19dba.png
19:11 < SopaXorzTaker> so do they have rights to DDOS my little odroid hosting  aminecraft server?
19:11 < Xor_Boole> I am of many leet haxor
19:12 < _zoot> do you not use any plugins for irssi? :<
19:12 < Xor_Boole> I haven't had the need really
19:12 < Xor_Boole> mostly I write scripts whenever I need them
19:12 < Xor_Boole> which is rare because perl is literally hitler
19:13 < Xor_Boole> perl was invented by the nazis to kill allied programmers, this is fact
19:13 < Xor_Boole> history channel said so
19:13 < SopaXorzTaker> perl is asperger's
19:14 < _zoot> if you were a real man you'd write a minecraft client in elisp and then play minecraft in emacs
19:14 < SopaXorzTaker> um, on
19:14 < SopaXorzTaker> *no
19:14 < Xor_Boole> _zoot > emacs
19:14 < Xor_Boole> > real man
19:14 < Xor_Boole> I'm done talking to you
19:14 < _zoot> just look at richard stallman, he's a real man
19:14 < _zoot> smell is smelly smell
19:14 < _zoot> his unwashed beard
19:14 < _zoot> it just screams manly
19:14 < Xor_Boole> my beard is better
19:14  * Xor_Boole strokes his neckbeard
19:15 < SopaXorzTaker> play minecraft in emacs... I would need a virtual ascii-art windowmanager with direct rendering
19:15 < Xor_Boole> SopaXorzTaker stop
19:15 < Xor_Boole> please stop
19:15 < SopaXorzTaker> >:D
19:15 < Xor_Boole> emacs is evel
19:15 < Xor_Boole> it can die in hell with PHP
19:15 < barneygale> SopaXorzTaker, if you're interested, I have a python server implementation here: https://github.com/barneygale/quarry/blob/master/quarry/net/server.py
19:16 < _zoot> as a saint in the church of emacs, it is my job to cleanse the world of vi-using heathen
19:16 < SopaXorzTaker> Well, guys, got to go
19:23 < Gjum> barneygale: i was wondering why you dropped barneymc and started quarry, any deep thoughts involved?
19:23 < barneygale> barneymc is fucking ancient
19:23 < barneygale> I thought I deleted that repo...
19:23 < Xor_Boole> barneygale that's what she said
19:23  * Xor_Boole shows himself out
19:23 < Gjum> well you didnt ^^
19:24 < barneygale> I had other implementations before that too - one called Ashitaka is one
19:24 < Gjum> and spock is actually based on that
19:24 < barneygale> spock?
19:24 < Gjum> the thing gamingrobot works on
19:24 < barneygale> oh
19:24 < barneygale> I don't know anything about this hah
19:24 < dx> https://github.com/nickelpro/spock
19:26 < barneygale> you fkn takin my code bithc?
19:26 < barneygale> ima dmca yr ass
19:26 < dx> lolol
19:26 < Gjum> actually you can, its unlicensed
19:26 < barneygale> yeah, I know
19:27 < barneygale> I just checked :P
19:28 < Xor_Boole> actually, I just realized an important use-case for name changes I don't think has been brought up
19:28 < barneygale> that's insane
19:28 < barneygale> I forgot about barneymc completely
19:28 < barneygale> nice one nickelpro and gamingrobot!
19:28 < Xor_Boole> there needs to be a way to move a username between two accounts without the risk of it being taken 
19:28 < barneygale> glad to be of service
19:28 < Gjum> atm thats impossible i think
19:28 < Xor_Boole> Gjum well yes
19:29 < Xor_Boole> which is why I'd /really/ like to poke someone about this
19:29 < Xor_Boole> since it seems like an important use case for users of multiple accounts
19:29 < Xor_Boole> then again multiple accounts/email would be nice too...
19:30 < Xor_Boole> sigh, where's jelbring when you need to shout at him
19:30 < Gjum> you actually could just give someone your (prev. changed) access tokens to that account
19:30 < Xor_Boole> Gjum erm wat
19:31 < Gjum> ahh right, youd have to give them your other mojang-acc stuff too...
19:31 < Gjum> still was thinking minecraft account
19:31 < Xor_Boole> the main use case is that I want to grab a certain user that will be freed from nonpremium accounts, but I want to grab it with one of my alts
19:31 < Xor_Boole> and then I'd like to move it to my main
19:32 < Xor_Boole> mostly so I don't lose `Xor_Boole`
19:32 < Xor_Boole> I'm debating proding djinnibone about this
19:33 < Xor_Boole> he's not particularly relevant to the issue but I don't have contacts with the web backend people
19:33 < Gjum> at least we could make sure they thought about it
19:35 < Xor_Boole> Gjum you wanna poke him? I'm not a fan of doing it
19:35 < Xor_Boole> personally I don't think they give a shit 90% of the time but I still don't like doing it
19:40  * Xor_Boole jabs Thinkofdeath 
19:40 < Xor_Boole> wanna jab dinny for me?
19:56 < Bibl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8L8F8xzQQA so good
20:24 < gamingrobot> barneygale: you going to stick a license on it?
22:51 < Xor_Boole> is there /any/ reasonable reason we're limited to 65k maps per server?
22:51 < Xor_Boole> switching to int would be trivial since maps already have their own custom tags
22:52 < Xor_Boole> I'm reminded of this every time some kid posts map art to reddit
22:54 < gamingrobot> There is a limit?
22:54 < Xor_Boole> yes
22:54 < Xor_Boole> maps are indexed by item damage
22:54 < gamingrobot> also when would you ever hit 65k maps
22:54 < Xor_Boole> which is the single most retarded thing ever
22:54 < Xor_Boole> gamingrobot map art
22:55 < Xor_Boole> the upper limit is just too small
22:55 < Xor_Boole> changing to int would square the size
22:56 < redstonehelper> has anybody ever hit the limit?
22:57 < Xor_Boole> redstonehelper shh
22:57 < Xor_Boole> I have a feature that would have on my server, i.e. single-use treasure maps
22:57 < Xor_Boole> I have to use a hack to use exactly one map and a billion per-player renderers
22:58 < Thinkofdeath> then re-use ids or something
22:58 < Xor_Boole> Thinkofdeath it's harder than you think
22:58 < redstonehelper> yeah, like caching
22:58 < Xor_Boole> maps might get wiped
22:58 < Xor_Boole> plus that's not really the use case I'm talking about
22:58 < Xor_Boole> I still think the limit is too small and the work required to increase it is also not /that/ bad
22:59 < Xor_Boole> mostly changing "short" to "int" in several places and some changes to ItemFilledMap
23:00 < Xor_Boole> https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/560915074064584704
23:00 < Xor_Boole> pleb, String... args is where it's at
23:00 < Xor_Boole> dammit, wrong channel. this is your fault Thinkofdeath 
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01:07 < gurun>  INFO [MiNET.MiNetServer] - TT 0ms Ltcy=11ms 401 player(s) Pkt 29780/s ACKs 8501/s AvSize: 1268b Tput: 302.23Mbit/s
09:24 < gurun> is it true that vanilla java server can't really use multi-core processors to increase performance of one instance?
09:27 <+md_5> it uses multiple cores, just not for every aspect of the server\
09:30 < gurun> "not for every aspect" would be as expected.
09:31 < gurun> i just read an article somewhere that claim that there is no point in running the server on a multicore machine because it wouldn't use it. So it had me go and investigate what java actually do with threading, and not.
09:32 < gurun> does java still have an upper memory limit if you run it on x64?
09:33 <+md_5> uh
09:33 <+md_5> its in the hundreds of gigabytes at least
09:34 < gurun> so it just follow the underlying limitations from the OS (windows have the same issue with 32).
09:35 <+md_5> Ive seen heaps in the hundreds of gigabytes
09:35 <+md_5> so I would assume anything is possible
09:35 <+md_5> I cant spot anything obvious in the code
09:36 < gurun> no, that doesn't have anything to do with the code. That would be the limitation of the JVM (max 2.5G on 32bit)
09:36 <+md_5> yes
09:36 <+md_5> Im reading the hotspot jvm code
09:36 < gurun> i just never used java on x64 so that's why i'm asking. I shifted to .NET before x64 was commodity
09:37 <+md_5> seems to be as large as the OS will let you mmap on your system
09:38 <+md_5> which basically depends on number of free pages
09:38 < gurun> ok, sounds fair. It was just a bit odd that Java with the announcement of Java 8 also declared that "now it is multicore enabled" .. eh.
09:38 < gurun> i mean Oracle.
09:38 < Frigolit> on windows that's the limit, but an executable can be marked as allowing allocating up to 3.5GB if it handles memory addresses properly
09:38 < Frigolit> otherwise it'll just crash :3
09:38 <+md_5> I can get a few hundred gigs on my 16gb system
09:39 <+md_5> gurun they are probably referring to specific aspects of garbage collection
09:39 < Frigolit> (32-bit windows)
09:39 <+md_5> java itself has had threads for two decades if not more
09:39 < gurun> Frigolit: yes, but i asked for 64 specifically
09:39 < Frigolit> yea on x64 there's no real limit
09:40 < gurun> md_5: yeah, I read that they have a completely new GC, suposed to be super performant. The last couple of weeks I have been truly amazed of how good GC is in .NET compared to what i remeber from my Java days.
09:41 < gurun> so a better GC "engine" would be like a revival of Java :-)
09:41 <+md_5> java gc only really started getting serious in 6/7/8
09:41 < gurun> i left at 5 :-)
09:42 < Frigolit> hehe
09:42 < gurun> at one point we highered the arcitect of weblogic to help my company sqeezzeee out the last bit of performance only through GC manipulation. He appearently was part of the team designing GC in Java for Sun. Learned a lot from that guy.
09:54 < gurun> Mojang us using A to host MC, righ. I read an article saying that it uses AS3 to store player and other data. S3 as I understand it is an object storage. Does that mean that it also stores worlds in S3?
10:13 < SinZ> ...Worlds are stored on the disk
10:13 < SinZ> ...Worlds are stored on the disk
10:54 < barneygale> gamingrobot, can do if you want, what would you prefeR?
11:00 <+AndrewPH> +
13:40 < gamingrobot> barneygale: just a MIT license if that's good with you, I just want to avoid confusion later
13:40 < barneygale> cool, will do it later
13:41 < gamingrobot> Ty
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01:18 < Bibl_> god damnit
01:18 < Bibl_> i was redesigning the block system
01:18 < Bibl_> well static block data system
01:19 < Bibl_> and turns out stairs, that have different state data, have the same values when converted to an int
01:20 < Bibl_> http://i.imgur.com/nF9WwsD.png
01:20 < redstonehelper> you didn't know this before?
01:21 < Bibl_> no i assumed that you would have a different value if they had different block data
01:22 < redstonehelper> I think you'll find the same with fence gates and fences
01:22 < redstonehelper> and cobble walls
01:22 < Bibl_> >.<
01:22 < Thinkofdeath> and redstone :)
01:22 < redstonehelper> oh yeah, definitely
01:22 < Bibl_> redstone doesnt need bounding boxes shhhh