21:40 < dx> using 100mb isn't too weird
21:40 < dx> you can easily get to that with most high level languages
21:41 < dx> not to mention that's seems to be the minimum for anything java...
21:41 < dx> s/that's/that/
21:41 < Aragas_> I just ignore empty sections. If i'll create data for empty sections, it can use 200 mb
21:42 < gurun> You must mean RAM right?
21:42 < Aragas_> yes
21:42 < dx> ..what were you thinking?
21:42 < Aragas_> forgot to say that? pardon
21:42 < Aragas_> Something is wrong?
21:43 < gurun> No, not really right. If you load the worlds, they are huge.
21:43 < gurun> Unpacked, very big.
21:44 < Aragas_> Yep. Thats why is uses only 30 mb, when i sisable ChunkData and MapChunkBulk packets
21:44 < Aragas_> Other packets are handled
21:46 < Aragas_> Right now i'm connected to some random server, all seems fine
21:46 < Aragas_> But it uses like 70% of CPU, what is a bit weird
21:47 < gurun> C#??
21:47 < Aragas_> Yes
21:48 < gurun> So, without saving the world data, how is CPU then?
21:48 < Aragas_> Gimme a sec
21:48 < gurun> I hope you are using the async versions of socket or TCP client. They use a very different IO in windows ..low level.
21:49 < MrARM> wait you meant disk space not ram... nvm
21:49 < Aragas_> Nope, lol. Dunno how to async
21:49 < Aragas_> no, ram
21:49 < Aragas_> no saving to disk
21:49 < gurun> Async is actually easier to do than regular..because it takes care of the threading completely for you.
21:50 < MrARM|away> *I though 
21:50 < MrARM|away> I know you meant ram
21:50 < Aragas_> aj, yes. Still 70%. Cause chunks are handled only in the first seconds
21:50 < Aragas_> Hm. Is there any example af async work? Sounds interesing
21:50 < gurun> So, of you disable processing of chunks, does the CPU go down?
21:51 < gurun> Aragas_: there are lots of example on that. It's the preferred way of doing sockets in .net really.
21:53 < Aragas_> Chunks are handled when i receive them. In like first 5 seconds. They don't affect too much cpu using, because i don't touch them after handling
21:53 < gurun> https://github.com/NiclasOlofsson/HIE/tree/master/Hie/Hie.Core/Endpoints
21:53 < Aragas_> Except block packets
21:53 < gurun> There are two end points in there. One for receive and one for send. They are fairly vanilla examples on how to use it (shameless plug for my own code)
21:55 < Aragas_> A bit messy, but seems interesting. Thanks
21:56 < gurun> I mean you do this to learn right, so in the case you want to do some real stuff, with any performance you need the async stuff.
21:56 < gurun> And yes, it is a bit messy sometimes if you do a protocol that doesn't have clear package framing.
21:57 < Aragas_> I was using 2.0 .net before this, so async is for me something new
21:57 < gurun> Well, this isn't the async stuff that you have in .net natively, this is an async pattern they use for some stuff.
21:58 < Aragas_> Hm. Okay
21:58 < gurun> Basically, his particular thing is windows IO doing some really magic stuff to keep the tread count to a minim.
21:59 < Aragas_> Thanks for help, by the way
21:59 < gurun> np
22:21 < Aragas_> This thing is heavy
22:49 < Aragas_> gurun: I think it's a bit overpowered
22:50 < gurun> Aragas_: whatever works for you.
22:50 < Aragas_> :D
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13:30 < stuntguy3000> Anyone got a way to send 1.8 packets of the new Chat Message positions?
13:30 < stuntguy3000> Been trying to figure it out, but going nowhere
23:25 < benbaptist> stuntguy3000, Wait, what's the problem? I've been able to send the new above-toolbar messages before
23:27 < benbaptist> Are you talking about through some sort of API like Bukkit or Forge? if so, I can't help you there. but if you are directly working with packets, I can help
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03:41 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/M277ig
03:41 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 181284f - Consider world created before WorldLoadEvent is called.
07:40 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 3 commits [+1/-0/±3] http://git.io/BCdWPQ
07:40 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] jimmikaelkael 45039a2 - Added Eclipse project name override to build script.
07:40 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] XXLuigiMario cfcac25 - Added snow block placement handling.
07:40 < Not-c9f2> [Glowstone] Aaron1011 7facfec - Added note about Trello to CONTRIBUTING.md.
07:44 < angal> What packet "0x08 Player Position And Look" means? If i send it after login - it location, where client spawns?
07:44 < angal> If so, is this packet correct? http://pastebin.com/XnudcQHz
07:46 <+SpaceManiac> nothing obviously wrong about it
07:47 <+SpaceManiac> sending that packet will reposition the player
07:56 < angal> I'm sending 0x00 (Ping), 0x01 (Join Game), 0x05 (Spawn Position), 0x39 (Player Abilities (or without it)) and then 0x08... Maybe i missed something important? Couse i still spawn at 0,0,0.
07:57 <+SpaceManiac> are you paying attention to the locations the player is sending?
07:59 <+SpaceManiac> sometimes the client thinks it's near the origin for a bit until it gets the 0x08, so if you obey it you'll end up near spawn again
08:07 < angal> It's always answer me with "Packet=[034/IN/GC06]; data: loc=[0,00, 0,00, 0,00]; pos=[0,00, 0,00]; onGround=[false]", regardless to location, i sent.
08:11 < angal> Or is it intended? And i should ignore first location sent from client and send again correct.
08:17 < angal> Em... Something defenetly wrong. It's always answer with 0,0,0 position...
13:47 < stuntguy3000> benbaptist: I got it working. Simply put, i just didn't know how to send packets properly.
21:03 < eddyb> holy shit
21:03 < eddyb> http://i.imgur.com/OANEBAb.png
21:03 < eddyb> that's render distance 16. this guy only could get 14 FPS on render distance 8
21:04 < eddyb> dx: they optimized the high-level gfx library hematite is using. I haven't touched the thing in weeks, but people still fiddle with it
21:04 < eddyb> and it has no fancy culling yet, that could help
21:04 < redstonehelper> eddyb: 14fps with rd 8 on minecraft, right?
21:05 < eddyb> no, hematite
21:05 < eddyb> asking for vanilla FPS right now
21:06 < redstonehelper> oh, you're talking about fps improvements by a recent change
21:06 < redstonehelper> not vanilla vs hematite
21:06 < eddyb> nope, though I am interested in that as well
21:06 < eddyb> oh and he says he used Anisotrophic(16) for this screenshot... not sure how that relates to minecraft rendering
21:06 < dx> eddyb: fun
21:06 < redstonehelper> I'm confused then, that screenshot says 14fps
21:07 < dx> same number of fps for double render distance..?
21:07 < eddyb> yes, ~4x the number of chunks
21:07 < eddyb> he caps at 60FPS now for render distance 8
21:19 < eddyb> dx: lol http://i.imgur.com/JTQy5NM.png
21:19 < eddyb> and I think vanilla is rendering 4 times less chunks, too (because of culling)
21:24 < eddyb> redstonehelper: here you have your comparison, btw, if you were curious
21:36 < gurun> Java ..1.6 :-)
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17:35 < Scruff> Making minor edits to the minecraft-server.jar shouldn't kick players or not let them join right?
18:02 < Jckf> Scruff: The depends entirely on what your "minor edits" are
18:02 < Jckf> *That depends
18:03 < Scruff> I kinda thought it through
18:03 < Scruff> And I don't have enough experience to code it anyway. :P
--- Day changed jeu. oct. 02 2014
08:17 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+3/-2/±24] http://git.io/d0dbKQ
08:17 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac f77c9b8 - Refactored out use of JSONObject in the protocol in favor of TextMessage.
08:17 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac b50d1d5 - Minor cleanup.
--- Day changed ven. oct. 03 2014
15:49 < Lucavon> ji
15:49 < Lucavon> hi
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19:48 < Doxin> is the launcher documented somewhere? I'm trying to figure out how it works so I can make a custom launcher, but reverse engineering it on my own has yielded little success.
19:53 < dx> Doxin: there's http://wiki.vg/Game_Files
19:53 < Doxin> huzzah
19:53 < Doxin> dx: that helps a lot
19:53 < Doxin> thanks
19:54 < dx> and http://wiki.vg/Authentication
19:54 < Doxin> awesome
22:43 < Dhruv0> Is Block Data inside of Chunk Data's Data a short array or byte array?
22:46 < Aragas> Dhruv0: 4096 byte array
22:46 < Aragas> or 2048 short array
22:46 < Dhruv0> Ok
22:58 < Dhruv0> I feel like I'm going in circles
23:08 < Dhruv0> Welp, it didn't work again
23:12 < Dhruv0> Could someone please check what I did wrong with this http://pastebin.com/HxKHXee7
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00:19 < Doxin> so I'm trying to make a launcher, but downloading libraries invariably gets me a 403: forbidden as response. what gives?
00:20 < dx> Doxin: just assume that means 404 and fix your urls
00:21 < Doxin> so https://libraries.minecraft.net/org.apache.commons/commons-compress/1.8.1/commons-compress-1.8.1.jar isn't a valid library?
00:21 < Doxin> oh
00:21 < Doxin> I need to add some slashes
00:21 < Doxin> lol
00:22 < dx> yeah / instead of .
00:22 < Doxin> yeah I just saw :P
00:27 < AndrewPH_> yeah
01:44 < Tirus_> hey all, does here someone know how in the current MC protocol (1.8) the data inside the compressed packet are look like? are there still prepending packet size bytes?
01:50 < Tirus_> noone?
01:53 < deltab> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Post_compression
16:06 < Doxin> I'm attempting to create my own launcher. I've gotten to the point where it builds a command to start minecraft: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/nTKx7DsFOSvM6V4k8v5T/ . but it gives me the error "Error: Could not find or load main class minecraft.versions.1.7.10.jar"
16:08 < Doxin> oh whoops
16:08 < Doxin> got it fixed
16:08 < Aragas> version?
16:08 < Doxin> the minecraft jar file is part of the -cp argument
16:08 < Doxin> Aragas: what?
16:09 < Aragas> you know, 1.8 is the latest
16:09 < Doxin> I am aware
16:09 < Doxin> Aragas: that shouldn't prevent me from launching an older version
16:09 < Aragas> yep
16:09 < Doxin> Aragas: I'm not using the vanilla launcher either way
16:09 < Doxin> and I figured out what I did wrong
16:10 < Aragas> okay
17:04  * Thinkofdeath pokes Grum with MC-72530
17:05 < dx> Thinkofdeath: It seems that you have tried to perform an operation which you are not permitted to perform
17:05 < Thinkofdeath> :(
17:05 < Thinkofdeath> its been ~7 days, got bored of waiting
17:06 < dx> Thinkofdeath: If you think this message is wrong, please contact your JIRA administrators
17:06 < dx> sooo... security issue? fun
17:06 < Thinkofdeath> :)
17:07 < dx> i wonder if the tracker moderators can see those
17:08 < Thinkofdeath> "Private, viewable only by volunteers and up." they should
17:08 < dx> gotcha
17:27 < Grum> Thinkofdeath: has been seen
17:27 < Thinkofdeath> ah ok
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02:42 < benbaptist> Does anyone have a good Position encoder & decoder for Python? I'm able to decode X & Y without issues, but Z screws up when the Z coord is negative.
02:45 < benbaptist> For reference: (position >> 38, (position >> 26) & 0xFFF, position & 0x3FFFFFF)
02:46 < benbaptist> 66% of that works. but the Z coordinate is screwy if below zero (negative)
04:19 < deltab> benbaptist: so position >> 38 and (position >> 26) & 0xFFF are working reliably, but position & 0x3FFFFFF isn't?
04:19 < benbaptist> deltab, Yup
04:20 < deltab> are you sure about (position >> 26) & 0xFFF? seems to me it behaves in the same way as position & 0x3FFFFFF when it comes to negative numbers
04:21 < deltab> tried it with positive x?
04:21 < benbaptist> It seems to work 
04:21 < benbaptist> wait, what?
04:22 < deltab> position will be negative if the x part is negative, right?
04:23 < benbaptist> yes
04:23 < deltab> then >> keeps the result negative
04:23 < deltab> but after the & you get a positive number
04:24 < benbaptist> the resulting number is then 67108863 (0x3FFFFFF) minus the actual coordinates, as it's simply subtracting from 0x3FFFFFF and working backwards
04:24 < benbaptist> or the actual Z value, I should say
04:26 < deltab> is the problem with position & 0x3FFFFFF that it always gives a positive number, when it should be negative?
04:26 < benbaptist> Positive and reversed, so, say, if my Z coordinate is -50, I'll get 67108813
04:28 < benbaptist> if I take the position long, and reverse it, then read the Z, it will actually provide the correct result. except it won't once you go into a non-negative Z, which would then be broken again
04:28 < deltab> yeah, that's the signed number treated as unsigned: (1<<26)-1 - 50
04:28 < benbaptist> i.e. -(-position & 0x3FFFFFF)
04:28 < benbaptist> yeah
04:28 < benbaptist> being a complete bitwise noob, I have no clue how to really handle these types of situations since bitwise stuff scares me. :P
04:35 < deltab> if n & (1 << 25): n -= (1 << 26) - 1
04:37 < deltab> or more simply,  if n >> 25
04:39 < deltab> that's the sign bit: if 1, the number should be negative
04:40 < benbaptist> ahh, okay!
09:10 < Me4502> Does anyone know where the client stores the connection timeout time?
09:10 < Me4502> I'm making a network lag counter
09:27 < Fenhl> how do I know which player model a player's custom skin uses?
09:27 < Fenhl> besides analyzing the image file
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06:41 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+4/-0/±10] http://git.io/F94mcA
06:41 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 042330d - Implemented ability to show particle effects.
06:41 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 81631df - Paramaterized constants and ItemTable tests.
07:31 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 3 commits [+6/-0/±148] http://git.io/H-IK6Q
07:31 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac f6319cf - Switched to Lombok for message classes.
07:31 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] greatman 433d7bf - Added networking unit tests.
07:31 < Not-71cc> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 84813d8 - Protocol test functionality and style fixes.
14:57 < Launcher> Hello, I would like to ask, what does mean that server is returning PID = 84 after successful handshake and login packet (0x00) ?
15:00 < Launcher> but that happens only on some servers I am not sure why I can connect to some servers and for example my localy hosted server I cannot join
15:06 < bgale> Launcher, you send Handshake, then Login Start, and get a packet back with ID 84?
15:06 < Launcher> yes exactly
15:06 < bgale> Suggests to me that perhaps your varint unpacking is buggy
15:06 < Launcher> but on some servers it works without any problems
15:06 < Launcher> but on 50% of servers it does not work
15:07 < bgale> Can you give a hexdump of the data you receive from the server?
15:07 < bgale> and do you have any code you can share?
15:08 < Launcher> yes I will up it to hastebin sec
15:10 < Launcher> http://hastebin.com/aqetefokic.avrasm
15:10 < Launcher> here
15:10 < Launcher> line 36
15:12 < bgale> Launcher, can I see your readVarInt function?
15:13 < Launcher> here you go: http://hastebin.com/ocojajogat.coffee
15:13 < bgale> hastebin is slow as fuck for me today
15:13 < bgale> (loaded tho)
15:17 < bgale> The code looks OK to me
15:17 < bgale> Is it an operator precedence issue? Do you need to bracket "j++ * 7" ?
15:17 < bgale> I can't remember what order they're evaluated
15:18 < bgale> That might well be the case as 84 is divisible by 7
15:23 < bgale> Launcher, ^
15:23 < Launcher> hm well, maybe I have figured it out what is causing this, I think its because my sockets goes through proxy server when I try it without proxy it seems to be working
15:24 < Launcher> but its interesting that the proxy works fine on some servers
15:24 < bgale> what's the proxy?
15:25 < Launcher> proxy server (its like your data arent going directly to the target but they are going from to to another server and via the another server to the target server)
15:25 < bgale> I know what a proxy is
15:26 < bgale> I was wondering whether it's a dedicated minecraft proxy, or socks, or an ssh tunnel, or w/e
15:26 < Launcher> its HTTP proxy
15:30 < Launcher> bgale
15:31 < bgale> an HTTP proxy...?
15:31 < bgale> how would that even work!
15:35 < Launcher> so I should not use HTTP proxy ?
15:39 < bgale> why are you using it in the first place?
15:46 < bgale> lol, in fact, I'm pretty sure why you're getting 84 as the packet ID
15:46 < bgale> It's the first "T" in "HTTP"
15:47 < bgale> ("H" is read as the packet length...)
15:47 < shoghicp> o.O
15:49 < Launcher> So I should use socks instead ?
15:50 < shoghicp> yeah
15:56 < bgale> Launcher, but remember you can't treat a socks proxy like its a minecraft server
15:56 < Launcher> ok thanks and one more question, why I am getting socket write error when I try to close inv like this: http://hastebin.com/acaxutipay.avrasm ?
15:58 < bgale> that's more of a C++ question than a minecraft one
15:58 < Launcher> Well it is java :D
15:59 < Launcher> AM I constructing the packet badly ?
16:01 < bgale> oh sorry I don't know C++ or Java very well :P
16:02 < bgale> Launcher, what does your client do?
16:04 < Launcher> Well, I am trying to do miniclient for android (you can join, chat, send commands, you can see your inventory contains) and some other stuff
16:04 < bgale> Then really you need to generalise your packet send/recv logic, and your datatypes
16:05 < Launcher> it is just for fun I try to learn to work with packets
16:08 < bgale> good luck
16:08 < bgale> you want to support online mode?
16:09 < Launcher> no online mode not
16:10 < Launcher> just offline as I said I am trying to learn working with packets on it 
16:10 < Launcher> nothing so much complicated as online mode :D
16:13 < Guest91738> Does anyone know how a playing music disc is cancelled?
16:13 < Aaron1011> Is the data value just set to 0? 
16:13 < Aaron1011> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Effect
19:02 < MrARM> k, so... where can I download latest 1.7.10 Bukkit? 
19:04 < MrARM> I had an 1.7.2 on my pc unfortunately :(
19:07 < MrARM> don't tell me i have to build it... 
19:07 < MrARM> damn, I can't 
19:08 < MrARM> why wesley decided to do that idiot move D:
19:09 < Aragas_> yea, this is like hell now
19:10 < MrARM> K, I think I found an old 1.7.9 build on an server I had hosted 
19:14 < MrARM> yeah, it's there. good at least it. 
19:19 < Aaron1011> For anyone looking at the 1.8 obfuscated source: ha.java contains the obfuscated packet classes, in order of ids
19:19 < Aaron1011> For example, jp is the keepalive packet (id 0), and jw is the join game packet (id 1)
--- Day changed mer. oct. 08 2014
04:10 < vemacs> http://forums.spongepowered.org/t/i-am-husks-lead-developer-here-to-clear-up-confusion-and-answer-questions/3153/111?u=vemacs
04:31 < dx> "I agree, it is slowly turning into vaporware. I can wholeheartedly say we will not meet any ETA we have given"
04:32 < dx> i wasn't expecting that
04:32 <+AndrewPH> brutal honesty
04:51 < vemacs> "slowly"
05:04 < dx> rip vemacs|ded
05:04 < dx> i like how as soon as you ask about something real, bugs appear everywhere
05:05 < dx> they did claim it was perfectly functional...
08:56 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+1/-0/±5] http://git.io/qmhsSg
08:56 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac f8fefaf - Added proxy support (fixes #114). Thanks @Johni0702!
09:03 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac deleted branch bungee
11:46 < bgale> lol vemacs|ded, loved your CLUD screenshot
16:54 < winny> minecraft.vb
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15:28 < ensirius> Hi guys
15:29 < ensirius> site missiong favicon. displaying for me google icon :/ 
17:16 < TkTech> ensirius: What site?
17:17 < ensirius> http://wiki.vg
17:18 < TkTech> Don't think we ever had one
17:18 < ensirius> had
17:19 < ensirius> also i think would be helpful to chunkdata packet provide example how read id and data..only write method therer..
18:30 < ensirius> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Entity
18:30 < ensirius> Can somebody confirm 
18:30 < ensirius> move packet from server is diffrence between old and current position
18:30 < ensirius> or current position?
19:11 < ensirius> nvm
21:24 < Aragas> Process Explorer says that i have like 300kkk cycles in 1:20 minute
21:27 < Aragas> Steam has 22kkk in 20 hours
21:27 < Aragas> I think something is really wrong, lol
21:38 < ensirius> xD
21:42 < Aragas> Ah, main thread used cycle for infinite work. lol. Forgot about that
21:48 < Aragas> And it uses only 0.30% CPU now
--- Day changed ven. oct. 10 2014
00:06 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+2/-0/±7] http://git.io/YDYXlA
00:06 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 2ce2199 - Minor style fixes.
00:06 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac b431f69 - Fixed support for 1.8's string-based item ids.
04:34 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±7] http://git.io/v_pAGA
04:34 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] Johni0702 9a1a93b - Convert data types during server.properties migration (fixes #392).
04:34 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] Johni0702 51e0b34 - Added player visibility API (closes #121).
04:35 < techkid6> I remember notifico :o
10:33 < WizardCM> the inventory item highlight via the cursor.. can that be retextured or is it hardcoded to be transparent white?
19:32 < Aragas> Is there any classic documentation about login? Or any about connecting to a server?
19:32 < Aragas> Maybe readable source?
19:34 < Aragas> Ah, Classic cathegory in wiki.vg is a bit broken, found info
19:51 < TkTech> Aragas: If there is an error on the wiki, would you be kind enough to fix it?
19:51 < Aragas> Okay
21:49 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-1/±1] http://git.io/n8Dg-w
21:49 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac d5a1f56 - Removed TextWrapper in favor of the client word-wrapping.
22:32 < Aragas> Okay. I can't understant. How and whee i send reauest to get Classic verify key? I'm a client
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00:42 < ensirius_>  http://wiki.vg/Entities#Entity_Metadata_Format
00:42 < ensirius_> index 1 description
00:42 < ensirius_> air..
00:42 < ensirius_> water
00:42 < ensirius_> sun
00:42 < ensirius_> okey
14:41 < SopaXorzTaker> hi
14:41 < SopaXorzTaker> does anyone have docs on Beta protocol?
14:42 < ensirius> not me
14:42 < ensirius> sorry :|
14:42 < SinZ> SopaXorzTaker: go through wiki history?
14:43 < SopaXorzTaker> tried
14:43 < SopaXorzTaker> it has the info
14:43 < SopaXorzTaker> but I need info about how handshake is done
14:45 < SinZ> SopaXorzTaker: wiki history on the Protocol_FAQ page
14:48 < SopaXorzTaker> SinZ, THX MATE!
14:48 < SopaXorzTaker> WOW!
14:48 < SopaXorzTaker> FOUND!
14:48 < SopaXorzTaker> yay!
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08:22 < nickelpro> Why do random entity packets now have an On Ground field?
08:22 < nickelpro> Like, why does 0x16 Entity Look need an On Ground field?
08:39 < Jailout2000> yes
08:45 < ensirius> idk too
08:45 < ensirius> maybe to indicate that entity in air?
08:45 < ensirius> but than why we need sends entity metadata index 3?
08:50 < nickelpro> Why would an entities On Ground state change by it looking at something?
08:51 < nickelpro> And we've never cared about on ground for entities before, and we removed it from players
08:52 < nickelpro> Also, removed size field from Map Chunk Bulk? We supposed to calculate size of the chunk data ourselves now?
08:52 < nickelpro> 1.8 gets weirder and weirder
09:00 < ensirius> well actually 1.7 was very good
09:01 < ensirius> in 1.8 just uuid pisses me
09:11 < nickelpro> We've had uuids forever, as part of property modifiers. They just became more prevelant in the protocol
09:13 < nickelpro> Not sure how I'm supposed to deal with Map Chunk Bulk now, hoping this is a documentation error
09:21 < ensirius> ignore it?
09:21 < ensirius> i send for each chunk new packet
09:25 < ensirius> nickelpro: https://github.com/GlowstoneMC/Glowstone/blob/84813d89351d672c6a27e160dfa52e04f5bead69/src/main/java/net/glowstone/net/codec/play/game/ChunkBulkCodec.java
09:26 < ensirius> line 24
09:26 < ensirius> and yes, in protocol this info provided
09:27 < nickelpro> That's all well and dandy for sending a Chunk Bulk but my client is trying to retrieve one
09:28 < nickelpro> And Glowstone very explicitly doesn't implement that
09:28 < nickelpro> throw new DecoderException("Cannot decode ChunkBulkMessage");
09:28 < ensirius> encode?
09:29 < ensirius> i supposed that you send chunks
09:29 < nickelpro> This is a client, it's trying to receive chunks
09:29 < deltab> where are you seeing the size field removed?
09:29 < nickelpro> Protocol page
09:29 < nickelpro> And glowstone source
09:29 < ensirius> https://github.com/Steveice10/MCProtocolLib/blob/5546770d4b484ce0cad90cdb285ff263b2ac191c/src/main/java/org/spacehq/mc/protocol/packet/ingame/server/world/ServerMultiChunkDataPacket.java#L83
09:30 < ensirius> Chunk - > Column in this example
09:30 < nickelpro> Ya, I know, it's just a bitch that we have to calculate the chunk size ourselves now
09:30 < nickelpro> That's what I said
09:31 < ensirius> why you should care about chunk size?
09:31 < nickelpro> So I can read it and parse it?
09:33 < ensirius> you have colums size
09:34 < nickelpro> Which is not enough to tell me how much data I have to read to have all my chunks
09:34 < nickelpro> https://github.com/Steveice10/MCProtocolLib/blob/5546770d4b484ce0cad90cdb285ff263b2ac191c/src/main/java/org/spacehq/mc/protocol/packet/ingame/server/world/ServerMultiChunkDataPacket.java#L95-L96
09:34 < nickelpro> Lines 95 and 96 do the calculation in MCPLib
09:34 < nickelpro> I was hoping to avoid that calculation
09:35 < ensirius> you need reverse chunk bit mask
09:35 < nickelpro> You mean primary chunk bitmask?
09:35 < ensirius> yep
09:35 < nickelpro> Ya
09:35 < nickelpro> obviously
09:36 < ensirius> as i know 16 chunks something like 0 i guess?
09:36 < ensirius> 15 1?
09:37 < nickelpro> You take the number of chunks in the column and multiply by chunk size and add skylight if you've got it
09:37 < ensirius> yep
09:37 < ensirius> not's hard
09:37 < nickelpro> Rinse repeat for each column in the bulk
09:37 < nickelpro> You have to repeat the calc for each column, it's not hard, just harder than the server giving me the damn size
09:38 < nickelpro> It would take them a handful of bytes and save me the annoyance
09:41 < ensirius> 1 chunks - 16 columns
09:41 < ensirius> 2 chunks - 14
09:42 < ensirius> this would not help you
09:42 < ensirius> imo
09:42 < Thinkofdeath> int length = buf.readableBytes();
09:42 < Thinkofdeath> its the end of the buffer anyway
09:44 < ensirius> I dont get why we need such packet as head yawa
09:44 < ensirius> it's same value as yaw
09:44 < ensirius> or i am wrong?
09:45 < Thinkofdeath> Some mobs can turn their head separately to the rest of their body
09:45 < Thinkofdeath> zombies for example
09:47 < ensirius> didnt noticed that
10:10 < nickelpro> Thinkofdeath: Why do mobs have On Ground now but players dont?
10:10 < Thinkofdeath> its used for boats (and maybe others, not sure)
10:10 < nickelpro> Can boats fly?
10:10 < Thinkofdeath> if true boats move slower with someone in them
10:11 < Thinkofdeath> false == normal speed (in water)
10:11 < nickelpro> So that field name is confusing as all hell
10:13 < Thinkofdeath> kinda, its actually the onGround field for entities, just the way boats use it is weird
10:13 < nickelpro> But do we use onGround for any entity except boats?
10:13 < nickelpro> I thought they were phasing it out
10:14 < Thinkofdeath> not sure
10:14 < nickelpro> Nevermind I'm being dumb
10:15 < nickelpro> Though to be honest I've never fully understood onGround
10:15 < nickelpro> What does it do? If I send a flying position I'm above the ground regardless of the onGround flag
10:16 < Thinkofdeath> Just seems to be used to help client prediction. I've only seen boats react so far however
10:32 < ensirius> :|
11:38 < ensirius> looks like i found protocol error
11:39 < ensirius> Looks like server yaw and client yaw may be diffrent. If i write 4 * 360 / 256 and than 4 * 256 / 360
11:39 < ensirius> yo byte
11:40 < ensirius> let me explain me self once again
11:41 < ensirius> If i writing for example 4 yaw it needs be scaled so 4 * 360 / 256 and sends as byte. After client recive it's do 4 * 256 / 360
11:41 < ensirius> so 4 vs 2.85
--- Day changed lun. oct. 13 2014
11:18 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 3 commits [+3/-0/±5] http://git.io/-yXCig
11:18 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 6a3e8f6 - Checkstyle additions and matching style fix.
11:18 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] Johni0702 956c618 - Show entity held item and equipment to players (fixes #164).
11:18 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] Johni0702 e854d50 - Added query support (closes #377).
17:51 < MrARM> Actually, what zhuowei did (taking about BoardWalk) works... 
17:52 < MrARM> I still don't understand why those people who enter passwords, don't try to play demo first however
--- Log closed mar. oct. 14 04:51:39 2014
--- Log opened mar. oct. 14 04:51:47 2014
04:51 -!- Irssi: #mcdevs: Total of 155 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 11 voices, 143 normal]
04:54 -!- Irssi: Join to #mcdevs was synced in 185 secs
06:13 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 3 commits [+13/-0/±15] http://git.io/MEqANQ
06:13 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac df5da9d - Interpret world seed as number if possible (fixes #427).
06:13 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] gdude2002 88e3c28 - Fetch UUIDs from Mojang if needed (fixes #227, fixes #365).
06:13 < Not-c98d> [Glowstone] ZephireNZ 80da285 - Fixed or added several broken inventories.
--- Day changed mer. oct. 15 2014
09:19 < ensirius> guys
09:20 < ensirius> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Destroy_Entities
09:20 < ensirius> it's 20
09:20 < ensirius> not 19
09:20 < ensirius> no?
09:20 < ensirius> wrong hex?
09:20 < ensirius> or i am dumb?
09:20 < ensirius> ah
09:20 < ensirius> packet counts from zero
17:12 < ensirius> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Spawn_Player
17:12 < ensirius> how clients get player name?
17:13 < Dinnerbone> Name, skin, etc comes from a http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_List_Item packet with the same player UUID
17:16 < ensirius> are you real dinnerbone? :D
17:16 < ensirius> thanks
17:16 < SinZ> the answer is yes btw
20:16 < gurun> Is the AI in MC based on GOAP?
20:18 < yawkat> i believe it works with goals, not sure though
20:19 < gurun> I read this article, and yes it sounds a lot like MC logic..
20:19 < gurun> http://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/tutorials/goal-oriented-action-planning-for-a-smarter-ai--cms-20793
21:58 < MrARM> Mojang said they updated in MC 1.8 to OpenGL 2.0, right? It seems they didn't, actually... 
22:04 < redstonehelper> I think that's a 1.9 thing
22:21 < MrARM> maybe I read it wrong... Lemme check it. 
22:29 < redstonehelper> MrARM: https://twitter.com/TheMogMiner/status/486029113107292160
22:30 < MrARM> yeah, 1.9. No idea why I thought it'll be in 1.8.
22:30 < MrARM> I think Searge tweeted something about it; but it wasn't probably for 1.8
--- Day changed jeu. oct. 16 2014
09:42 < Not-6672> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/pxPktA
09:42 < Not-6672> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 17e74a8 - Fixed color wrapping by converting flat messages to json.
17:08 < ensirius> why after sending spawn player packet i can't see player?
17:28 < ensirius> http://pastebin.com/4Uiuzsfq
17:46 < Thinkofdeath> ensirius: you need the tab-list entry first
17:47 < Thinkofdeath> no entry == no player, doing it after wont work either
17:48 < ensirius> i thinked same way
17:49 < ensirius> maybe we need edit wiki?
17:49 < ensirius> thank you!
18:50 < ensirius> how works skins in offline mode?
18:52 < TkTech> SirCmpwn: What's with the DMCA takedowns?
18:52 <+SirCmpwn> hmm?
18:53 < TkTech> SirCmpwn: You've issued takedowns on Github
18:53 <+SirCmpwn> right, what do you want to know about it
18:53 < TkTech> Why?
18:53 < TkTech> Craft.Net is open source last I checked
18:53 <+SirCmpwn> the repository in question copied in my code, rebranded it, and removed the license
18:53 <+SirCmpwn> I asked nicely and they didn't cooperate, so I sent a takedown request
18:53 < TkTech> Ah
18:57 <+SirCmpwn> judging from the development cycle of that project (which later stole C#raft and later still died into obscurity), it's a bunch of kids who want to replace bukkit but don't want to do the work, and want to receive credit for it
18:58 < Thinkofdeath> ensirius: no skins in offline mode
18:59 <+SirCmpwn> or alternatively, "how can we make offline mode shittier without pissing off our users too much"
19:00 < ensirius> Thinkofdeath so i can just send empty properties?
19:00 < Thinkofdeath> ensirius: yep
19:01 < ensirius> thx
19:01 < Thinkofdeath> SirCmpwn: sadly some still work around it
19:01 < Thinkofdeath> via skull blobs
19:01 <+SirCmpwn> work around what?
19:01 < Thinkofdeath> no skins in offline mode
19:02 <+SirCmpwn> my comment wasn't supportive of mojang's decision
19:02 <+SirCmpwn> there are many legitimate reasons to use offline mode
19:02 <+SirCmpwn> and Dinnerbone has explicitly said, in this channel, that he doesn't give a shit about offline mode users
19:03 < Thinkofdeath> well yes but I was talking about the non-legitimate uses
19:05 <+SirCmpwn> I'm all for giving them shit, but they aren't the only ones who use offline modes
19:34 < Dinnerbone> Hello SirCmpwn.
19:34 <+SirCmpwn> hello Dinnerbone.
19:35 < Dinnerbone> I don't believe I have used those exact words, but we go out of our way to keep offline mode working and well.
19:35 < Dinnerbone> In 1.8.1 the game supports skins for singleplayer offline mode.
19:35 < Dinnerbone> It will not work until the launcher enables it, but it's there.
19:37 < Dinnerbone> (I will not enable it in the launcher until after 1.8.1 is live because otherwise we'd be doing requests in the launcher + in the game, for 1.8)
19:39 < Dinnerbone> You are free to paraphrase me as much as you like but I actually do give quite a shit about people being able to play a game that shouldn't require the internet as well as they could with the internet
19:41 < TkTech> Dinnerbone: As someone who travels frequently, <3 √
19:41 < Dinnerbone> However, in regards to offline mode in multiplayer we do not and will likely not supports skins there; it is just not really feasible, do we share the skin from client to client or do we have them pretend to be a user that does have a skin and download it (from where? we have no internet)
19:41 < Dinnerbone> (The exception is, of course, your own skin)
--- Day changed ven. oct. 17 2014
04:15 < reallyquickquest> Why do people use BoucyCastle for SSL? (I assume it's for SSL, what else could it be?)
04:15 < reallyquickquest> Java has its own facilities for it.
04:15 < reallyquickquest> BouncyCastle*
04:21 < dx> well then maybe it's not just SSL.
04:24 < reallyquickquest> I have no idea what else it could be for.
04:25 < reallyquickquest> It seems like it's used for SSL, to be honest, but why?
04:25 < reallyquickquest> Feels like I'm missing something here. L
04:25 < reallyquickquest> :L
04:27 <+SpaceManiac> bouncycastle provides an alternate implementation of Java's cryptography specifications and has many extra API features that are sometimes useful
04:29 < reallyquickquest> Alright, thanks.
14:38 < dx> is there any decent command line launcher with yggdrasil auth?
14:41 < dx> getting kinda tired of waiting for this launcher GUI to load just so i can press a "play" button
14:42 < dx> the official launcher has some commandline parameters, but they are useless. http://dump.dequis.org/q4rE5.txt
16:02 < dx> http://dump.dequis.org/LSb_o.png
17:55 < circ-user-fPBxA> hello
17:56 < circ-user-fPBxA> I've got a question to the new Minecraft Version 1.8. I want to make a /nick plugin for my server network, and the skin and the name ober the player, although the name in the tablist chages. how can i make it, that the head (shown in the tab list) changes to the Skin ?
18:07 < dx> so basically what tagapi fails to do
18:09 < circ-user-fPBxA> have you got any idea ?
18:09 < dx> if i did, i'd probably fix tagapi
18:13 < circ-user-fPBxA> but you know, that its possible ?
18:13 < circ-user-fPBxA> if*
18:15 < JonasOSDever> It's been a long time that I last wrote a Bukkit plugin, but at least the player list item packet only supports setting a display name, but not changing the head (that's probably what bukkit does). You could try to send a REMOVE_PLAYER packet though and send a new ADD_PLAYER packet, setting another UUID
18:15 < JonasOSDever> But I'm not sure if it is possible with bukkit alone
18:16 < circ-user-fPBxA> Okay, thank you, i will try it
18:16 < JonasOSDever> Have a look at http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_List_Item for reference
18:16 < JonasOSDever> I'm sorry I cannot help more
18:17 < circ-user-fPBxA> will take a look :)
18:19 < dx> and then you could try to reimplement all the player handling logic. and go nuts.
18:19 < JonasOSDever> I've never said it is a good method, but it was the first workaround to come into my mind
18:19 < JonasOSDever> Not a good one though, I know
18:21 < JonasOSDever> Protocol lib doesn't support 1.8, does it?
18:23 < circ-user-fPBxA> There is a Protocl lib -> http://assets.comphenix.net/job/ProtocolLib%20-%20Spigot%20Hack%201.8/
18:29 < Not-fe6> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/ZzcTNA
18:29 < Not-fe6> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla b8ea176 - Use proper for loop in getField, fixes #103 some tools add custom functions to Array, which breaks for/in loops on array.
22:13 < dx> if i submit a bug to the tracker complaining about the log4j2 protocol debug output not showing anything other than class names, what units should i use for the time it will take for it to get closed by the moderators?
22:13 < dx> (a) minutes, (b) seconds, (c) microseconds
22:19 < redstonehelper> wouldn't that be a log4j2 issue?
22:22 < dx> nah
22:22 < dx> the output is now "OUT: [PLAY:4] mi" and used to have a string describing the parameters after that
22:22 < dx> definitely not log4j2
22:23 < dx> but also impossible to reproduce without changing jvm parameters, which they will probably consider 'not vanilla'
22:25 < redstonehelper> if you can do it in the launcher it's vanilla
22:25 < redstonehelper> I suppose
22:25 < redstonehelper> or is that something else?
22:26 < redstonehelper> after all, changing resource packs isn't strictly vanilla either, but those bugs are accepted
22:27 < dx> hmm
22:27 < dx> yeah it's in the launcher
22:30 < redstonehelper> go submit it then, especially since it used to be better in previous versions
22:30 < redstonehelper> did this change with minecraft versions or with log4j2 versions?
22:30 < redstonehelper> or launcher versions?
22:39 < dx> just tested again with 1.7. happened somewhere between 1.7 to 1.8, log4j2 version remains at "log4j-core-2.0-beta9" in both, launcher irrelevant since it also applies to servers
22:48 < redstonehelper> report it then
23:17 < dx> there. https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-73203
23:20 < redstonehelper> good luck with it
23:21 < dx> i'll check back in 6 months for updates
23:22  * gurun_ sigh
23:22 < redstonehelper> it's more likely to be seen if you keep the affected versions up to date ;)
23:22  * dx writes a script to bump it on every snapshot release
23:23 < redstonehelper> lol
23:25 < dx> throw test cases at a github repo, configure travis-ci to run them, push a commit on every released snapshot, ???, profit
23:26  * dx really likes the unlimited processing power that travis-ci gives out for free
23:26 < redstonehelper> does jira have an api?
23:27 < dx> sweet. https://docs.atlassian.com/jira/REST/latest/
23:28 < dx> with oauth, too
--- Day changed sam. oct. 18 2014
07:39 < liamcottle> Anyone available to help with CipherInputStream and CipherOutputStream for sending and receiving packets from a minecraft server on protocol 47?
07:43 <+SpaceManiac> I don't use the streams in my implementation, but I should be able to help
17:33 < cindy_k> http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/16/shawn-levy-to-direct-minecraft-movie-for-warner-bros
17:33 < cindy_k> So who are they getting to play Grum and Dinnerbone :)
19:26 < Xor_Boole> cindy_k clones, obv
19:30 < Paprikachu> how does the client handle block updates from already-unloaded chunks
19:30 < Paprikachu> is it gonna crash or ignore the update?
22:08 < JonasOSDever> Paprikachu: Not sure if you still need the answer, but it ignores it
22:08 < Paprikachu> ty
22:08 < JonasOSDever> yw
--- Day changed dim. oct. 19 2014
07:52 < snakey> my question is: Is it possible for multiple machines/servers to utilize NFS to share from a single point of storage for the world/data files?
07:52 < snakey> so for example you have 3 cloud server instances. 2 of them have minecraft running and 1 is used as the mount point for the datafiles. On the 2 instances of minecraft.jar can you mount the world data directory onto them from the third server. Im not sure if you need to enable FScache for NFS to do this... but fundamentally im trying to figure out if this is possible. I know in nfsv4 writing doesnt require a local cache...
07:53 <+SpaceManiac> do you mean two servers both trying to run the same world?
07:57 < snakey> yes
07:58 < snakey> utilizing an NFS mount point
07:59 < snakey> essentially sharing one directory for 2 servers
08:00 < dx> that's going to fail horribly
08:00 < dx> question is, what kind of horrible failure will it be?
08:00 < dx> will it complain about a world being locked because it's already open, or will it do something more interesting than that?
08:02 < snakey> not sure, which is why im asking if it is even possible :)
08:04 < snakey> lets remove the second server from the equation then so we dont have to worry about the session.lock.... Can one server with the minecraft application running have an NFS mount point to another server that is holding the world directory
08:06 < Xor_Boole> I want to see two servers access the same world at the same time
08:06 < Xor_Boole> the glorious failuire will be... glorious
08:59 < nickelpro> snakey: Java wont care about the underlying file system details, no reason NFS wouldn't work. Two servers accessing the same file will have all of the problems you would expect regardless of underlying file system details
09:18 < snakey> nickelpro: Ok i see. I jsut wasnt aware of these expected problems. Just curious... what are these expected problems with 2 servers accessing the same files? Is is certain restrictions the minecraft server application has in place?
09:19 < nickelpro> snakey: Besides the fact that operating systems don't like multiple applications reading and writing from the same file?
09:20 < nickelpro> Even if you got past that, you'd generate internal inconsistencies between the servers. Timmy builds house on Server A which suddenly overwrites a chunk on Server B. Glorious failures would result, if you got past the OS problem that is
09:25 < SinZ> though if you did a node based server, where there is a world server and then have two seperate minecraft servers using said world server
09:25 < SinZ> that could work
09:36 < deltab> it depends on how a server updates the files
09:37 < deltab> if the server mostly keeps the data in memory, every so often writing a chunk to a file, say, then changes made on one server wouldn't be reflected on the other
09:41 < deltab> you'd need each server to know about any others so that it can notify them of changes
09:49 < SinZ> or the world server broadcasts changes to other servers to reflect changes
12:49 < mindcat> does here has log bot? can I take logs for a look?
12:50 < mindcat> well, I want make a 'server'
12:50 < mindcat> but I don't know how to do
17:57 < Not-fe6> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/cayqNQ
17:57 < Not-fe6> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla a864846 - Release 0.12.3
19:18 < Not-fe6> [fCraft] fragmer * r2355 8 files : Added Upgrader project stub.
--- Day changed lun. oct. 20 2014
18:25 <+SirCmpwn> I read about optifine's concerns with minecraft 1.8
18:25 <+SirCmpwn> I've always said that mojang was incompotent but I never realized the extent to which it was true
18:26 < shoghicp> ?
18:27 <+SirCmpwn> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1272953-optifine-hd-a4-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and?page=2125#c43757
18:27 <+SirCmpwn> all their big refactorings lately have really stupid implementations, apparently
18:28 <+SirCmpwn> they've made a lot of things immutable and decided that stressing out Java's GC is a great way to make a good video game
18:28 <+SirCmpwn> with predictable results
18:31 < shoghicp> o.O
18:33 < Flemmard> 200MB/sec?
18:33 < Flemmard> wow
18:34 < shoghicp> and I was worrying about 30MB/s
18:34 < Flemmard> that's why you should always use lower level languages before doing java/.NET/..GC languages :D
18:34 < Flemmard> ALLOCATE ALL TEH THINGS!
18:34 <+SirCmpwn> or just don't use it like a moron
18:35 < Flemmard> yeah that also
18:35 < Flemmard> but some devs have NO IDEA of what's happening in memory :/ (but i hope that mojang devs knows that ..)
18:35 <+SirCmpwn> I doubt that they do
18:35 < Flemmard> or they dev in a quad xeon with 256G RAM
18:35 < Flemmard> "works fine. np"
18:35 <+SirCmpwn> I suspect that mojang is staffed entirely by entry level programmers
18:36 < Flemmard> :/
18:38 < TkTech> SirCmpwn: The hostile attitude should leave now, ideally before you have to leave with it.
18:40 < dx> >The general trend is that the developers do not care that much about memory allocation and use "best industry practices" without understanding the consequences. The standard reasoning being "immutables are good", "allocating new memory is faster than caching", "the garbage collector is so good these days" and so on
18:40 < dx> this... actually sounds reasonable
18:41 < dx> i mean - it's favouring maintainability over premature optimization, they just happened to miss the part where they benchmark the consequences of that
18:41 <+SirCmpwn> which is fine in situations where performance is less of a concern
18:41 < dx> yeah
18:41 <+SirCmpwn> a video game's main loop is not one of those situations
18:42 < dx> but they are doing things in what normally is the "right" way
18:42 < dx> just wanted to point that out
18:42 <+SirCmpwn> TkTech: do you disagree with anything I've had to say today
18:42 < dx> SirCmpwn: the tone is the issue
18:42 <+SirCmpwn> I asked TkTech, dx 
18:42 <+SirCmpwn> thanks though
18:42 < dx> well i don't like the tone either
18:43 <+SirCmpwn> noted
18:43 < TkTech> The tone is the issue. You're coming across as a pompous ass instead of someone offering constructive criticism.
18:44 < TkTech> You're a developer. You know how the project ends up in its current state. It will be fixed.
18:45 <+SirCmpwn> TkTech: query
18:45 < TkTech> I ignored it. I'm at work and there's not much to discuss. If you want to start a bash war, do it on reddit.
18:45 <+SirCmpwn> I moved it to query to AVOID that, asshole
18:45 <+SirCmpwn> yeesh
18:45 < dx> rip
18:46 < dx> i was kinda hoping that saying things directly wouldn't be an issue
18:47 < TkTech> I normally encourage PMing me (or the other ops) directly if there's an issue.
18:47 < TkTech> He was on his 30th strike.
18:49 < dx> business as usual for #mcdevs.
18:51 < dx> i hope 1.8.1 gets delayed some more, fitting some more bugfixes in there would be cool
18:52 < shoghicp> bugfixes are always nice
20:52 <+pdelvo_> lol. Im back here for months and apparantly nothing has changed. 
20:53 < dx> pdelvo_: actually it didn't happen for a long while
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16:43 < ZumgAPanda> Hey
16:44 < ZumgAPanda> I’m looking for some help from a developer, I’m trying to pull out the scoreboards.dat file from my server hosting every hour so I can display it on a website. Is that possible?
16:46 < shoghicp> ZumgAPanda: I guess it'll be NBT data
16:47 < shoghicp> so you can use a NBT reader library to do so, there are a few on github
16:48 < ZumgAPanda> Is there a way to automate it? So I could have it on a website as Leaderboards and have it update hourly?
17:38 < shoghicp> hmm, you could develop a program using that library
21:16 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±2] http://git.io/7ff9Sg
21:16 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla 6357df8 - Add pure-js implementation alternative to URSA.
23:07 < ZumgAPanda> Looking to hire a developer, job; I’m trying to pull out the scoreboards.dat file from my server hosting every hour so I can display it on a website as a leaderboard. I will pay PayPal.
23:12 < dx> heh.
23:18 < redstonehelper> this actually doesn't sound that hard
23:19 < dx> yeah
23:19 < dx> unless that's one of the files which never get written to disk until the server is shut down.
23:20 < redstonehelper> /save-all probably saves it
23:22 < dx> yup
23:59 < dav1d> that's pretty easy
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00:10 < Xor_Boole> I wonder if I should start dicking with the model format again...
06:05 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 3 commits [+10/-0/±10] http://git.io/tbiLNw
06:05 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 67ef56c - Added RedundantModifier checkstyle rule.
06:05 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] TomCaserta 3334d1d - Implemented buckets.
06:05 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] jimmikaelkael 788a2c9 - Implemented basic farming support.
06:15 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac created branch entities http://git.io/Yf9lAA
15:07 < redstonehelper> >Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13
15:07 < redstonehelper> where are those logs?
15:11 < Thinkofdeath> I don't think anyone ever found them
15:13 < SinZ> it was a thing built into notifico that never got around to being a thing afaik
15:32 < dx> ..damn that's a long time.
15:41 <+sadimusi> does anyone know of a working bot for 1.7/1.8?
15:53 < dx> sadimusi: depends on your definition of 'working bot' but this works as a 1.8 client https://github.com/barneygale/quarry
15:54 < dx> it's bring-your-own-packets
15:56 < Xor_Boole> 09:54 <Thinkofdeath> [09:07:14] I don't think anyone ever found them
15:56 < Xor_Boole> did you check /dev/null?
16:05 < bgale> dx, "bring-your-own-packets" haha, I like that
16:05 < dx> :D
16:17 < Jckf> BYOP
18:02 < bgale> Looks like Sponge are going to use quarry for their auth :]
18:03 < dx> bgale: wat, how
18:03 < bgale> auth for their website, sorry
18:03 < dx> ah, neat
18:03 < bgale> https://github.com/Jake0oo0/sponge_auth_server
18:03 < bgale> looks like they're marrying it with node.js which is less neat, but w/e
18:04 < dx> weird
19:04 < ZumgAPanda> I need some help, anyone have any experience setting up Overviewer for 1.8 on a website? Will pay.
19:05 <+sadimusi> ZumgAPanda: I'm sure you can do it yourself, it's really quite easy
19:07 < ZumgAPanda> Ha, sadimusi, I think you’re overestimating my technical ability.
19:10 < ZumgAPanda> If you think it’s easy and want to earn some quick, easy cash, let me know :)
19:27 < Xor_Boole> anyone used clion for JNI?
19:27 < Xor_Boole> if so are these errors in the header normal or am I being dumb? http://puu.sh/cmgnK/f83bcc9977.png
19:32 < shoghicp> Xor_Boole: I had a few issues with clion, it detects things as wrong incorrectly
19:32 < shoghicp> it's ok when compiling
19:37 < Xor_Boole> also, I'm having trouble getting cmake to find the jni headers
21:42 < Xor_Boole> anyone here use cmake to make dynlibs?
21:43 < Xor_Boole> currently facedesking
21:58 < ensirius> why player not spawning?
21:58 < ensirius> http://pastebin.com/hMFMduXm
23:25 < Thinkofdeath> ensirius: PlayerList before PlayerSpawn
23:25 < ensirius> it's before
23:26 < Thinkofdeath> oh, upside down log :)
23:27 < ensirius> uuid not valid
23:27 < ensirius> no properties too
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00:10 < ensirius> damn
00:10 < ensirius> i sometimes dumb :D
00:10 < ensirius> playerspawn was before playerlist
00:10 < ensirius> omg
00:11 < ensirius> well not helped :<
00:32 < ensirius> http://pastebin.com/w3E8Sx9p Can somebody give tip why player can't see each other?
17:20 < ensirius> wtf
17:20 < ensirius> why client sends x 8.5, y 65, z 8.5?
17:21 < ensirius> http://pastebin.com/ntQbYjr6
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08:48 < Spurlex> >:(
09:29 < Spurlex> plz no moar splits plz
15:48 < ZumgAPanda> I’ve tried everything guys, on my vanilla server I can’t add anyone to the whitelist who hasn’t previously connected to the server. I’ve restarted the server multiple times. Any ideas?
15:58 < ensirius> i think it's fixed in 1.8.1
21:34 < Xor_Boole> "In the future, we do away with circles, squares and triangles. Only the more interesting geometric shapes are allowed. More sides = cooler."
21:34 < Xor_Boole> may I be the first to suggest 4-manifolds
23:52 < woder> General question: in the player block placement packet, what values can cursor position be?
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00:31 < Thinkofdeath> woder: 0-16 I think
00:33 < Xor_Boole> Thinkofdeath isn't that 17 discreet values?
00:34  * Thinkofdeath shrugs
00:37  * Xor_Boole huggles Thinkofdeath 
01:18 < woder> Thinkofdeath: is that of any relevance to actually placing the block? like if its stone and I set 0 will that stop it from being placed?
05:45 < woder> for some reason I can't get my client to place a block :c
11:48 < Thinkofdeath> woder: I think its used for stairs/slabs
18:07 < woder> has anyone got actual values that have worked in the player block place packet? I've tried many things and nothing seems to work
18:47 <+pdelvo_> is your player in range of the block?
18:48 < woder> yes
18:49 < woder> I am trying to place the block at x+2
19:05 < shoghicp> You are placing the block in the side of another, right?
19:05 < shoghicp> you don't set the position directly
19:05 < shoghicp> but you specify the block you are using, then the face
19:15 < woder> uh
19:16 < woder> actually I'm trying to place it ontop of ground
19:16 < woder> so its a flat surface then I attempt to place it on there
19:20 < shoghicp> yep, that's face (or side) 1 I think
19:20 < woder> so for direction you set it to 1?
19:20 < shoghicp> yes, and you use as the block the bottom block
19:21 < shoghicp> you don't place blocks directly on a position
19:21 < woder> oh I see
19:22 < woder> and what should cursor position look like for that?
19:25 < shoghicp> for example
19:26 < shoghicp> if you are placing a block on x 0 y 15 z 0
19:26 < shoghicp> from the top
19:26 < shoghicp> you'll set x 0 y 14 z 0 on the packet
19:26 < shoghicp> side 1
19:27 < shoghicp> also, the target block must be valid, otherwise the server will deny the action :)
19:27 < woder> valid?
19:27 < shoghicp> so you can't place blocks on air
19:27 < woder> oh yeah
19:27 < woder> so I got the faces and location thing, how about the cursor thing?
19:28 < shoghicp> that's the place of the target block you are touching
19:28 < shoghicp> That's used for slabs and stairs
19:28 < woder> so I can just set that to 0 for now?
19:28 < shoghicp> set that to 0 0 0 for now, I don't think the server will mind for normal blocks
19:28 < shoghicp> yeah
19:29 < woder> alright, cool
19:30 < woder> hmm, its weird because those settings still don't work for some reason
19:31 < woder> direction is suppose to just be a number like 1, 2, 3 right?
19:48 < shoghicp> woder: I think
19:48 < shoghicp> at least that's what I get as a server
19:49 < woder> hmm, you see thats weird because I have it setup like this: http://pastebin.com/D4iRPZJ7
19:50 < woder> and for some reason the server refuses to let him place the stone (I also made sure he was currently holding that block)
19:54 < shoghicp> -206 & 0x3FFFFFF
19:54 < shoghicp> that... won't work. I think that loses the negative bit
19:55 < woder> oh derp
20:04 < woder> shoghicp: tested with positive values and it still doesn't do anything, but I suppose it could be a problem with my position field
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19:39 < Xor_Boole> anyone know what's the best way to edit java asm in intellij?
19:40 < Xor_Boole> preferably to build it with sbt later
--- Day changed lun. oct. 27 2014
07:07 < Not-a754> [FemtoCraft] fragmer * r140 2 files : Fixed server not respecting OpMaxConnections config setting, and using regular MaxConnections limit instead (thanks umby24).
08:58 < SopaXorzTaker> help!
08:58 < SopaXorzTaker> how to encode varints?
08:59 < SopaXorzTaker> google's docs are useless, non-informative
09:00 < ensirius> java?
09:07 < SopaXorzTaker> py
09:07 < SopaXorzTaker> no matter
09:07 < dx> SopaXorzTaker: https://gist.github.com/nickelpro/7312782
09:08 < SopaXorzTaker> dx, thanks! :D
09:11 < SopaXorzTaker> also, does anyone know MCPE chunk format
09:17 < Scruff> I'm sure googling 'MCPE Chunk Format' will answer that
09:23 < SopaXorzTaker> it says the save format
09:23 < SopaXorzTaker> I need info about how the freaggin server sends them
17:37 < ensirius> guys from glowstone says that it's not int anymore
17:37 < ensirius> http://wiki.vg/Entities#Ageable
17:38 < ensirius> https://gist.github.com/gabizou/aee2ee7f34a45285c8fd
17:38 < ensirius> https://gist.github.com/gabizou/eeaad15b46d97e37afab
17:38 < Xor_Boole> Thinkofdeath ^
17:41 < gabizou> How does one go about updating the Ageable bit of the Protocol on the wiki?
17:41 < gabizou> in 1.7 the data type was an int and in 1.8, it is a byte.
17:44 < ensirius> yeah, wiki needs a lot updates
17:45  * Xor_Boole prods Thinkofdeath harder
17:49 < dx> gabizou: just.. change it?
17:49 < gabizou> dx: I can?
17:49 < dx> yes
17:50 < dx> the protocol page documents the last version
17:50 < gabizou> oh.
17:50 < dx> older versions are in the page history
20:48 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/6IOWOw
20:48 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] bendem 6cafd1d - Added a blank 'server.ip' key to the default glowstone.yml.
20:48 < Not-a754> [Glowstone] dequis 281e3c1 - Call PlayerMoveEvent.
21:48 < Fenhl> that page history is probably all sorts of broken though
22:09 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/N7F5lQ
22:09 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] ryush00 021cc8d - Update ping result for new version.
22:09 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla 33e9c39 - Merge pull request #100 from ryush00/patch-1 Update README for new ping results post-1.7
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04:32 < gabizou> hmm, can't register on the wiki for some reason
04:32 < gabizou> keeps asying "Incorrect or missing confirmation code"
04:32 <+sadimusi> what did you answer?
04:32 < dx> filled the textcha?
04:33 <+sadimusi> iirc the correct answers are notch and yes
04:33 < gabizou> herobrine isn't real though!
04:33 < dx> oh i think someone else had that issue... and i "solved" it by registering an account for them and handing it over
04:34 <+sadimusi> sure he is
04:34 <+sadimusi> you're not the first to stumble over that one
04:34 <+sadimusi> TkTech: ^
04:34 < gabizou> lol
04:34  * gabizou goes and pulls up the changelog when Mojang removed Herobrine
07:43 < ensirius> when client sends settings packet?
08:06 <+SpaceManiac> on login and any time it adjusts a setting
08:09 < ensirius> because the player is not spawning till i get settings packet
09:01 < SopaXorzTaker> ./join #arduino
09:01 < SopaXorzTaker> oops
09:01 < SopaXorzTaker> sorry guys
09:57 < ensirius> damn, i just did awesome job. I can now filter any income/outbound packet by player, id, state...log4j2 <3
14:29 < TkTech> sadimusi: ;\
14:29 < TkTech> sadimusi: Is it actually broken?
15:06 < dx> TkTech: something is, yes, we're not sure what. verification fails for some people as if they mistyped the thing, but we're fairly sure they did not.
15:06 < dx> TkTech: if you can figure out a way to debug it on your side, i think gabizou is still affected
15:07 < dx> ensirius: are you doing that kind of filtering with log4j2 in 1.8? what log4j2 config are you using?
15:19 < ensirius> dx http://pastebin.com/D0d7WyzT
15:20 < ensirius> http://pastebin.com/2YWbphdk
15:22 < dx> ensirius: WHY DOES THAT THING HAVE RUSSIAN COMMENTS
15:22 < ensirius> because i am latvian that speak russian? 
15:22 < dx> that's just terrible ensirius
15:22 < dx> do you really want to stop most of the rest of the world from understanding your code?
15:22 < ensirius> it's private
15:22 < ensirius> so
15:23 < dx> meh
15:23 < dx> okay sure, but if you do that in code that anyone else will possibly have to maintain in the future, i'll stab you
15:25 < ensirius> kk :D
15:28 < SinZ> dx: lol
15:28 < SinZ> I remember when D3 (a classic server dev) finally got around to making his software open sauce
15:28 < SinZ> so much german
15:38 < ensirius> well i promise of i will decide make my server public i will rewrite all comments ;)
16:00 < bgale> dx, why not comment in mandarin or spanish, then? :P
16:02 < dx> bgale: lel
16:17 < bgale> off topic: any recommended brands/lines for a 1TB 2.5" SATA drive?
16:20 < dx> brands don't matter, all of them suck equally
16:21 < dx> all i've heard about differences between brands is anecdotal evidence based on how much luck they had in the past
16:30 < TkTech> bgale: backblaze has some good articles
16:33 < bgale> looks like seagate is to be avoided
17:23 < Aragas> ensirius: Even if this is a private code, make comments on english, or both. I'm a native russian, but my comments are always in english, bad english, but it's readable. Comments in only russian is evil
17:27 < ensirius> no point to write bad comments. Better write that will help me if i forgot something after time. I also send commits on russian
17:37 <+sadimusi> TkTech: the only issue is that the questions are misleading
17:38 < TobiX> ensirius: And then you get something like FarManager where half the source code comments are in russian and it's incredible hard for international constributors to understand anything ;)
17:38 < TobiX> ensirius: Some years ago even their changelog was still in russian
17:40 < TobiX> Or take OpenOffice/LibreOffice - They still have to fight with German legacy comments from StarOffice to this day...
17:41 < ensirius> guys, just stop be bitches and calm down :) i know what i am doing
17:42 < jast> trwtf: filtering network packets with a logging API
17:43 < jast> bgale: in my experience there are plenty of both proponents and opponents for every brand
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00:31 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/rhImLQ
00:31 < Not-a754> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla baaac91 - Set no delay on stream if it's TCP. Fixes #38
15:01 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> preese herp m em eim  stuch en compewtre. comee finnde em beeheind chrch. cmoe laone.
15:03 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> no just joking, i dont acculally speak anglish
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> I JES WANA FEEL LUUU LUVEED
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> JUS LOVE MEE PLES
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> can U LEEEV MEEE
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> *loov
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> pleees
15:04 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> i jes went frends
15:05 < shoghicp> TkTech: ^
15:05 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> *sob
15:05 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> eiii krai evry niiite
15:05 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> plees lov meeeeh
15:06 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> JUS LOVVE ME PLS
15:06 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> I WAN FRENDS
15:06 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> I ALONE PLEES
15:06 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> I NEED FREDS 
15:06 < Xor_Boole> what the actual fuck
15:06 < shoghicp> "ecolecatholique.ca"
15:07 < shoghicp> haha
15:07 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> DO JU HEV PROBLEM EIT RELIGON 
15:07 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> CANT BE MEI FREND
15:07 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> D:
15:09 < ScrubOfBoxesOfBa> ei go to canada to hev friend. everion is windo or mak, i went leenux frends pless just sai yew me frend like if you krie everi tim
15:10 < Scruff> \o/
15:10 < shoghicp> :D
15:10 < Aragas> Kool
15:10 < shoghicp> that reminds me of some people I've to deal on other channels...
15:10 < shoghicp> at least there is a bot that handles them there :)
15:11 < Aragas> At least some fun here was made today
15:12 < Aragas> The fun continues
15:12 < Xor_Boole> kekle
15:12 < cindy_k> why didn't someone tell me it was troll day
15:12 < BackBoxScrub> yey frend now?
15:12 < shoghicp> no
15:12 < Xor_Boole> cindy_k because reasons
15:12 < Aragas> no
15:12 < Aragas> you know, dude, life is pain
15:13 < Aragas> like implementing packets
15:13 < Aragas> same pain
15:13 < BackBoxScrub> i noe, everione is mec or windos. veri sed
15:13 < BackBoxScrub> i jes went leenux frend
15:13 < Aragas> linux is for slimes
15:13 < cindy_k> slimes are bouncy. 
15:13 < BackBoxScrub> sleimes er cewl
15:13  * Xor_Boole bounces on cindy_k 
15:14  * Aragas Unzip mah pants
15:14 < cindy_k> O.o
15:14 < Xor_Boole> wut
15:14 < Aragas> Too soon?
15:14  * Xor_Boole hands out popcorn
15:14 < Xor_Boole> shhh
15:14 < BackBoxScrub> cen i jein yeew
15:15 < BackBoxScrub> everi en is seilent. did slieim keel yew
15:15 < Aragas> I can't believe i understand him
15:16 < Xor_Boole> I think that means you're the next victim
15:16 < BackBoxScrub> dose ale ef yoo hat meh?
15:16 < Aragas> si
15:16 < BackBoxScrub> ei just make frend
15:17 < BackBoxScrub> all frends bad
15:17 < BackBoxScrub> eim goine to kri
15:17 < BackBoxScrub> pleese helpe meh
15:17 < Aragas> That's good, you'll won't pee so much
15:18  * Xor_Boole releases the neurotoxin
15:18 < Aragas> pardon mah inglish
15:18 < Aragas> Was bad
15:18 < BackBoxScrub> neee step beellieng me 
15:19 < BackBoxScrub> okei new stert
15:19 < BackBoxScrub> hellew
15:19 < Aragas> hai
15:19 < BackBoxScrub> dent meid bade englich, ei not ame
15:19 < BackBoxScrub> meind*
15:20  * Xor_Boole releases the oompa loompas
15:20 < Xor_Boole> be afrai
15:20 < Xor_Boole> be many afrai
15:20 < Aragas> better kill him with fire
15:20 < BackBoxScrub> neeww mei childhoode is bek to keel meh
15:22 < BackBoxScrub> wei oompa loompa
15:23 < BackBoxScrub> everi on die of umpa lempa ei gess
15:24 < BackBoxScrub> hei dew yew noe were i kan get minkrafte?
15:25 < BackBoxScrub> i nede gam
15:27 < Xor_Boole> and so ends act 2 of the saga
15:28 < Xor_Boole> the saga continues...
15:32 < GawdDamnedNeeded> saga continue?
15:42 < shoghicp> D: he joined other channel
15:45 < PEMapModder_> ?
15:51 < SopaXorzTaker> hey
15:51 < SopaXorzTaker> shoghicp, and?
15:51 < shoghicp> nah, not you
15:51 < SopaXorzTaker> I need info on how MCPE servers encode chunks to send them to clients
15:52 < shoghicp> https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/src/pocketmine/level/format/mcregion/McRegion.php#L110-L141
15:55 < SopaXorzTaker> shoghicp, oh! just searched the repo and found nothing, thanks
15:56 < shoghicp> or if you hate PHP, you have this: https://github.com/NiclasOlofsson/MiNET/
16:00 < SopaXorzTaker> okay
16:01 < SopaXorzTaker> thanks, will be the first crazy man to write a MCPE server in Py :O
16:08 < SopaXorzTaker> shoghicp, also, do you have a gist describing raklib and MCPE packets, wiki.vg is kinda outdated
16:08 < shoghicp> RakNet*
16:08 < shoghicp> RakLib is the library I made to handle RakNet streams
16:09 < Aragas> Hehehe
16:09 < Aragas> In russian rak means cancer
16:09 < shoghicp> Aragas: it might be
16:10 < shoghicp> enjoy :) https://github.com/OculusVR/RakNet/blob/master/Source/RakPeer.cpp
16:11 < SopaXorzTaker> Aragas, yes,
16:14 < SopaXorzTaker> shoghicp, :D thx
16:28  * SopaXorzTaker afk
16:30 < ensirius> rak not only means cancer. also in russian it's mean crab
16:31 < Aragas> nah, nobody use this meaning in internet :DDD