19:06 < ZioCrocifisso> has anyone already thought of a distributed minecraft server based on the official one?
19:15 < dav1d> ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็ด้้้้้็็็็็้­­­­้้้้็็ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็ด้้­้­้­้­็็็็็้้้้้็็ด้้้้้็็็็็้­้้­้้­็็­ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็ด้้­้้้­็็็­็็้­้้้้็็ด้้้้้็็็็็้­้้้้Â
19:16 < Eviltechie> ZioCrocifisso: like bukkit?
19:16 < ZioCrocifisso> no.
19:16 < ZioCrocifisso> distributed.
19:25 < ZioCrocifisso> crappy explanation: http://oi58.tinypic.com/zld7ch.jpg
20:23 < nightpool> ZioCrocifisso: Yeah, I saw it a little bit ago but I can't remember what its called
20:23 < nightpool> It was about 6 months ago
20:25 < nightpool> https://github.com/mappum/redstone
20:25 < nightpool> ZioCrocifisso: looks like its really old though
20:36 < ZioCrocifisso> thanks
20:40 < ZioCrocifisso> but it is different from my idea
20:40 < ZioCrocifisso> i don't think that it connects to a local minecraft server
20:41 < ZioCrocifisso> however I just wanted to know if something similiar already existed
20:41 < ZioCrocifisso> and it doesn't
20:41 < ZioCrocifisso> so maybe I will make it
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01:33 <+SirCmpwn> someone who had reported a github issue 2 years ago closed it today on Craft.Net
01:33 <+SirCmpwn> kind of embarassed that I hadn't done it myself yet :x
01:44 <+SpaceManiac> the perils of long-term software development
05:28 < Falteckz> o/ andrewrk 
05:28 < andrewrk> hi Falteckz 
05:29 < Falteckz> msg andrewrk https://github.com/andrewrk/mineflayer/issues/182
05:29 < Falteckz> That.. was a fail
05:29 < Falteckz> I hate webchat
15:40 < MrARM2> shoghicp: Will look into it soon
17:05 < morfin> hm
17:05 < morfin> did not know some packets are being handled instantly
19:49 < Aragas__> Question about Client Settings packet (http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Client_Settings). Explanation is a bit incorrect. How many bits pair are there? For what are they responsible?
19:50 < Aragas__> i'm sorry. I mean Chat flags field
20:22 < Aragas__> And about that bug with corrupted chunks. It happens only in offline mode
20:24 < morfin> i think i should implement packets carefully 
20:25 < morfin> because looks like if i want to proxify some traffic i'll need to play around with entity ids
20:27 < morfin> is that how bungee cord works?
20:29 < Thinkofdeath> morfin: yep
20:29 < morfin> dispatches packets from one of servers connected to it to client and back, but entity ids are being replaced to avoid conflicts
21:37 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/s1T7kA
21:37 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 7c30e2e - Flush packets before setting protocol (fixes #91).
21:37 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac ced07ad - Minor cleanup.
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08:56 < nevercast> roblabla, Ohhey
18:01 < morfin> hmm
18:01 < morfin> Minecraft is using very strange protocol
18:03 < morfin> as example 0x00 can mean Handshake, LoginStart or ServerQuery and even Disconnect..
18:04 < dx> uhm, what?
18:04 < dx> i'm pretty sure you're not new to the channel
18:06 < morfin> i am looking how proto is implemented
18:06 < dx> yep, confirmed, not new at all, first message in 2011, how the hell did you just notice that now?
18:06 < morfin> i did not dig very deep
18:06 < dx> heh
18:06 < dx> okay then
18:06 < morfin> but now i started digging and i see what i got into
18:07 < morfin> oh i forgot KeepAlive
18:08 < dx> you know what the pre-1.7 protocol was like, right?
18:08 < morfin> hmm i saw it
18:08 < dx> well, it was worse \o/
18:08 < morfin> oh yes
18:09 < morfin> i saw 1.2.5 i think
18:09 < dx> with 1.8 i believe the last remaining inconsistencies will be gone
18:09 < dx> but having several meanings for a single packet id is by design
18:10 < dx> gotta switch packet handlers according to the current state
18:10 < morfin> so i will need to check what happens :)
18:10 < morfin> yes
18:15 < morfin> i am looking at architecture of vanilla
18:17 < morfin> and something is wrong with all that
19:32 < Aragas> Yep. Switching packets isn't wery cool. You now. 255 packets available
19:33 < Aragas> Very*
19:37 < morfin> hmmm
19:41 < Aragas> Nah, archtecture is fine
19:42 < morfin> relly?
19:42 < morfin> *really?
19:42 < morfin> so many unnesessary classes
19:42 < Aragas> Yea. Have ported to C#. Works good
19:42 < morfin> :D
19:43 < morfin> i am trying to do C++ 
19:43 < morfin> (with boost) 
19:44 < Aragas> I saw some cpp ports
19:44 < morfin> i saw too
19:45 < morfin> hCraft,MCServer, some another ports 
19:45 < Aragas> Yep
19:45 < morfin> hCraft looks better than MCServer )
19:46 < morfin> and maybe best of ports: at least because it have proper multicore support
19:46 < Aragas> Mcserver supports android
19:47 < morfin> but what for?
19:47 < Aragas> Android is very powerfull
19:47 < morfin> who is that sick man who will run server on Android device?
19:47 < morfin> i know but server is very heavy
19:48 < Aragas> Not so heavy
19:49 < morfin> lol boost can be compiled on Android..
19:50 < morfin> wiht some fixes
19:50 < morfin> *with
19:52 < morfin> anyway MCServer is using own code for networking
19:53 < morfin> nothing bad in that but i don't like all that #ifdef WIN32_ lets_add_some_windows_shit_here #endif
19:53 < Aragas> Multiplstform stuff
19:54 < morfin> i do not like to reinvent wheels so just using boost :)
19:54 < morfin> for networking and some another stuff
19:55 < Aragas> Does it support encryption stuff?
19:55 < morfin> SSL?
19:55 < morfin> i think it should
19:55 < Aragas> No, just byte array key
19:55 <+SirCmpwn> dx: >pre-1.7 protocol was worse
19:55 <+SirCmpwn> dx: bullshit
19:56 < morfin> actually hm
19:56 < morfin> i heard 1.2.5 was mostly stable
19:56 < dx> SirCmpwn: heh
19:56 < Aragas> 16 byte key, yea?
19:56 < morfin> hm?
19:56 < Aragas> Encryption
19:57 < morfin> i think that can be implemented 
19:58 < morfin> everything can be 
19:58 < morfin> only matter is time
20:02 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: what ever happened to your client
20:03 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: it is sleeping
20:03 < dav1d> deeply
20:06 < dx> rip
20:09 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: it was looking really good :(
20:10 < dav1d> yeah, but got bored again^^
20:10 <+SirCmpwn> integrate with Craft.Local to get singleplayer working :D
20:11 < dav1d> meh^^
20:36 < dx> SirCmpwn: how would that even work? some weird kind of FFI from D to C#?
20:38 <+SirCmpwn> dx: Craft.Local provides a singleplayer server on localhost
20:38 < dx> SirCmpwn: oh derp.
20:38 <+SirCmpwn> dx: Craft.Local.exe path/to/level.dat
20:38 <+SirCmpwn> outputs the TCP port it ended up with to stdout and has some stuff exposed via plugin channels
20:38 < dx> i feel silly now
20:39 < dx> forgot that this is also the way mojang does singleplayer now
20:39 <+SirCmpwn> Craft.Local was there first :)
23:16 < belak> I've been messing with the mc protocol and I was wondering what format the short in the handshake needs to be in.. big or little endian
23:18 < dx> belak: all big endian, see http://wiki.vg/Data_types
23:21 < belak> Hm, I must be doing something wrong then
23:23 < belak> I'm trying to write a php script which will query a server for connected users... I have a working python version, but I'm having issues with socket crap in php
23:30 <+SirCmpwn> shell("python yourscript.py " + server_to_query)
23:30 <+SirCmpwn> <_<
23:33 < dx> belak: https://github.com/winny-/mcstat
23:35 < belak> dx: son of a...
23:35 < belak> Well, I'm almost done, I know what's wrong...
23:35 < belak> I sent the handshake but never the info request
23:36 < dx> belak: well tbh, this one uses the old style server list ping
23:36 < belak> Ah, the udp one?
23:36 < belak> Can you get usernames from that?
23:36 < dx> nah, i mean it changed with 1.7
23:37 < dx> udp query is a different thing
23:40 < dx> hmm
23:40 < dx> not sure if udp query returns the full player list. the wiki mentions it has a players section but no idea if that includes everything
23:52 < belak> Yeah, I'd assume there's no guarantee since udp packets have a limited size
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00:03 < belak> dx: https://gist.github.com/belak/0cbe585dc8736800b6f4
00:04 < belak> Well, it's close...
00:05 < dx> i see words and numbers
00:05 < dx> and a few symbols
00:05 < belak> lol
00:06 < dx> belak: how far does this thing get?
00:06 < belak> Well, it works now
00:06 < belak> Just a small issue whenever there are no players connected
00:12 <+SirCmpwn> dx: I believe the udp protocol only returns a small number of the players
00:12 < Thinkofdeath> belak: Are you trying to get the player list from the ping? It only returns a max of 12 random players
00:12 <+SirCmpwn> the only way to get a full player list from a vanilla server is to log in, afaik
00:13 < belak> Really? That's annoying...
00:13 < Thinkofdeath> SirCmpwn: Using the tab list?
00:13 <+SirCmpwn> Thinkofdeath: correct
00:13 < Thinkofdeath> I'm pretty sure that has a limit
00:13 <+SirCmpwn> not one I know of
00:13 < Thinkofdeath> plus servers like to fake the info on that
00:13 <+SirCmpwn> >vanilla server
00:14 < belak> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Status this has a limit?
00:14 < Thinkofdeath> belak: In vanilla its 12 random players
00:14 < belak> That seems odd... any way to test that
00:14 <+SirCmpwn> I guess you could ping it over and over until you have enough unique players to match the player count
00:14 < belak> lol
00:15 <+SirCmpwn> or you could just live with the fact that the protocol is limited and forget about getting the entire player list
00:15 < Thinkofdeath> I think bukkit returns the full list, spigot 12 random players (or what ever the config is set to) and bungee doesn't have a list and is normally contains infomation instead of players
00:15 < Thinkofdeath> So not really a good way for getting anything really
00:16 < belak> I was writing a replacement for a gaming clan's website so it would match their tf2 setup... :/
00:16 <+SirCmpwn> hijack minecraft.net and keep track of auth requests
00:16 <+SirCmpwn> it's not illegal if you don't get caught
00:16 < belak> lol
00:16 < Thinkofdeath> If you control the server (and it runs bukkit) just have a plugin handle it instead
00:17 < belak> It's vanilla
00:17 <+SirCmpwn> proxy
00:17 <+SirCmpwn> I've known several people to proxy to vanilla servers through SMProxy to do things like dual-version support
00:17 < Thinkofdeath> SirCmpwn: Not so simple anymore (if you want skins)
00:18 < Thinkofdeath> Unless you start rewriting spawn player packets
00:18 <+SirCmpwn> rewriting spawn player packets is feasible with SMProxy
00:18 <+SirCmpwn> there's a simple plugin system that can support pretty much whatever
00:19 < belak> I mean, if I query like 10 times, there's a decent chance I'll get most of them on a 20 person server
00:19 < belak> lol
00:19 <+SirCmpwn> some people even run their vanilla servers in offline mode and let SMProxy handle auth, too (which is supported without plugins)
00:19 < belak> SMProxy doesn't support latest though, it looks like
00:20 < belak> Plus I'm not one of the admins
00:20 <+SirCmpwn> I'd get updated if I had motivation to update it ;)
00:20 <+SirCmpwn> It'd*
00:20 <+SirCmpwn> belak: it can proxy to servers you don't control, but bleh
00:21 < belak> Ah
00:21 < belak> Ah, it's windows only?
00:22 <+SirCmpwn> hell no
00:22 <+SirCmpwn> SMProxy is written on, runs on, and primarily designed for Linux
00:24 <+sadimusi> belak: if you want all the players, why not just use the udp query?
00:24 <+SirCmpwn> sadimusi: read the entire backlog, friend
00:24 <+sadimusi> I did
00:24 <+SirCmpwn> even the part where we mentioned that the udp query doesn't include all players?
00:25 <+sadimusi> I'm pretty sure it does include all of them
00:25 <+sadimusi> at least in vanilla
00:25 <+SirCmpwn> I'm pretty sure it doesn't
00:25 < dx> i'm pretty sure we didn't verify that yet
00:25 <+SirCmpwn> but pretty sure doesn't mean much from either of us, we should test it to find out
00:25 < belak> I don't have 20 accounts to test with
00:26 < belak> lol
00:26 <+SirCmpwn> offline mode
00:26 <+SirCmpwn> or just test it on someone else's big server
00:26 < belak> True
00:29 <+sadimusi> SirCmpwn: try play.phanaticmc.com
00:29 <+sadimusi> I get 785 players
00:29 < belak> sadimusi: in a UDP query?
00:29 <+sadimusi> yes
00:29 < belak> With all the names?
00:29 <+sadimusi> yes
00:29 < belak> Hm
00:30 < belak> Well, guess I get to rewrite this again
00:30 <+sadimusi> can't be sure if it's vanilla though
00:30 <+SirCmpwn> sadimusi: yeah, I'd test on both
00:31 <+sadimusi> I just searched minecraftservers.org for servers which have the udp query enabled 
00:31 <+sadimusi> there are a lot of them with >12 players
00:31 <+sadimusi> of course most of the big servers don't have it enabled because of bungee
00:32 < belak> This looks sketchy: http://minecraft-server-list.com/sort/Vanilla/
00:32 < belak> sadimusi: bungee?
00:32 <+sadimusi> in this case vanilla probably just means survival
00:32 < Thinkofdeath> sadimusi: Bungee supports query
00:32 <+sadimusi> bungee cord
00:33 <+sadimusi> Thinkofdeath: and it sends all the players?
00:33 < belak> :/
00:33 < Thinkofdeath> sadimusi: yep
00:33 <+sadimusi> Thinkofdeath: then the big servers must be disabling it on purpose
00:33 <+sadimusi> maybe to hide their player count bumping :D
00:34 < Thinkofdeath> sadimusi: :P
00:34 < Thinkofdeath> I've seen people flood the udp query before trying to cause lag, I assume thats why most disable it
00:34 < belak> So, you have to be logged in to use query?
00:34 < Thinkofdeath> belak: nope
00:35 < belak> hm, I'll play with that later
00:36 < dx> belak: this does query https://github.com/winny-/mcstat
00:38 < belak> Alright, I'll be afk for a bit... thanks everyone
00:39 <+sadimusi> belak: protip: don't try to query the server with every page load ;)
00:41 <+SirCmpwn> you do know that you can make websites with python, right
00:41 <+sadimusi> SirCmpwn: who are you talking to?
00:41 < dx> shell("python yourscript.py")
00:42 <+SirCmpwn> oh, he's afk
00:42 <+SirCmpwn> I was trying to talk to belak 
00:42 <+SirCmpwn> he said he already had a working script in python
01:03 < belak> SirCmpwn: I am aware. Usually I would.
01:03 < belak> SirCmpwn: I am aware. Usually I would.
01:03 < belak> However, I'm working on servers I don't have control over and they use php for everything
01:06 <+SirCmpwn> my condolances
01:08 < belak> Thanks
01:08 < belak> I'd normally use python though
05:07 < morfin> strange
05:07 < morfin> how i could send first message in 2011 
05:08 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/L8yhYw
05:08 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 97bda6f - Fixed incorrect world UUID saving.
05:08 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 423d1f8 - Cleanup and seralization fixes to GlowOfflinePlayer.
06:52 < belak> dx: mcstat is broken
06:52 < belak> dx: in multiple ways, I think... my php foo isn't perfect
06:53 < belak> winny: ping
06:53 < winny> hi
06:53 < belak> winny: did you write mcstat, or is it a different winny?
06:53 < winny> i wrote mcstat that lives here: https://github.com/winny-/mcstat and linked it to the wiki
06:54 < winny> is it broken?
06:54 < belak> winny: in a very small way
06:54 < belak> You unfortunately have to actually parse out the k-v portion of the query response
06:55 < belak> As an empty value causes an extra \0\0 but shouldn't terminate the loop
06:55 < belak> So, just looking for 3 \0\0 instances will break on an empty value
06:56 < belak> This is how I did it, but I'm sure there's a better way: https://gist.github.com/belak/0cbe585dc8736800b6f4
06:56 < belak> winny: ^^
06:56 < belak> Sorry if it's unreadable... I'm used to working in C... :P
06:57 < belak> Does that make sense, or am I going crazy?
06:57 < winny> i'm reacquainting myself with the parsing code i wrote
06:57 < belak> lol
07:00 < belak> What yours does, iirc, is reads until it finds 3 \0\0s, then splits it based on the padding
07:03 < belak> winny: The header setup in yours was amazingly invaluable in writing mine...
07:03 < winny> i'm glad it is helpful to you :-)
07:05 < winny> php wins the reward as write only language of the day in my book :)
07:09 < winny> belak: according to the wiki page double null indicate the end of a value section
07:09 < winny> indicates*
07:09 < belak> winny: it says 0 length key
07:09 < belak> I ran into an issue on the server I was testing on... mcstat does break on that
07:10 < belak> it has an empty value for plugins
07:10 < winny> so it'd have an extra double nul tacked on?
07:10 < winny> after the players section
07:11 < belak> winny: well, any value that's empty would cause an extra double null
07:11 < winny> can you give me the host and port? I'd like to collect a tcpdump
07:12 < belak> Yeah
07:12 < winny> thanks :)
07:12 < belak> winny: 66.240.202.11:25565
07:13 < belak> it's a whitelist server though
07:13 < belak> but query should still work
07:13 < winny> oh does whitelist affect who can query or ping?
07:14 < belak> No
07:14 < belak> winny: http://pastie.org/private/ycfgsh2svznvayq7mo4lwa
07:15 < winny> thanks
07:17 < belak> no problem
07:17 < belak> In that one you can see that plugins is empty and the players array is also empty, but there's 1 person online
07:19 < winny> ohhh
07:19 < winny> Gosh that's a fun little bug
07:20 < belak> Yeah, took me a while to figure out what was going on
07:20 < winny> so basically it should only terminate when a zero-length __key__ is parsed
07:20 < belak> yeah
07:20 < belak> Fun stuff
07:20 < belak> Makes it a heck of a lot more annoying to parse
07:22 < winny> roflmao
07:22 < winny> so one cannot easily know when the response is complete without parsing on the fly
07:23  * winny wonders if the UT Query proto (what minecraft query proto is modeled after) also allows for empty values
07:23 < belak> I think what dinnerbone does is read the whole packet and split on the magic padding
07:24 < winny> oh god
07:24 < winny> nevermind we can keep our minecraft query proto
07:24 < winny> http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/Legacy:UT_Server_Query "stop reading when \final\" is reached
07:24 < belak> Since each udp packet is a max size of 65535 bytes, it shouldn't be a huge memory hit
07:24 < winny> that is true
07:25 < belak> Or you can be silly like me and do parsing on the fly
07:25 < winny> this is a great time for me to break the dep on actual network sockets so i can write proper unit tests
07:25 < belak> winny: so, you use php a lot?
07:26 < winny> no not really i use it only to show that it can be useful
07:26 < belak> lol
07:26 < winny> lol
07:26 < winny> i use objc and python the most
07:26 < winny> you use C a lot?
07:26 < belak> C, Go and python
07:26 < belak> You can probably tell python based on the var names I used: https://gist.github.com/belak/0cbe585dc8736800b6f4
07:26 < belak> lol
07:26 < winny> Go-tastic :)
07:27 < winny> php has no real style so i didn't notice :D
07:27 < belak> haha
07:27 < belak> In that sample I posted, would it make sense for me to change $c === chr(0) to $c == chr(0) because I think fread returns false on a failed read
07:28 < belak> That's the one thing I wasn't sure on
07:30 < winny> that sounds implicit
07:31 < winny> $c === chr(0) || $c === false
07:32 < belak> I suppose that makes sense
07:36 < winny> so did you use mcstat as a cli tool, or in a cronjob?
07:38 < belak> I was honestly going to use it on a website to get the playerlist... as the gaming clan that runs that server has a list for all their TF2 servers but not MC
07:41 < winny> that sounds handy, i've been a bit dissatisfied with my munin graphs for minecraft because i think it'd be great to have player activity plotted (example of the munin script: https://bytesadism.org/munin/org/bytesadism.org/minecraft_users_mc_root__servers_org.html )
07:43 < belak> You'e dissatisfied with that?
07:44 < winny> with my graphs yes, it'd be great to have something like what you're going to create
08:43 < belak> winny: munin just does cron, right?
08:44 < winny> partially, i believe
08:46 < winny> like this basically:       munin-graph (cronjob)     <->         munin-node
08:46 < winny> oops, meant to kill that line
08:47 < winny> the graph part is a cronjob, i believe, the data serving process listens for a process that collections information for the graph process
08:47 < winny> data serving process is named munin-node i believe
08:47 < winny> this way one only needs to run graphs one place
09:01 < belak> ah, right
09:49 < morfin> hm
09:50 < morfin> $c === chr(0) || $c === false what a strange
09:50 < morfin> when $c can be === FALSE?
09:56 < winny> morfin: from the fread php documentation page "Returns the read string or FALSE on failure."
09:56 < winny> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.fread.php
10:08 < winny> there's a lot of room for improvement in my code
10:09 < winny> it's that feeling when you look at code written a year ago, and cringe because you've learned how to do it better
10:14 < winny> belak: my code for verifying handshake responses surprisingly works, but is wrong -- you might want to improve your script with the changes made in this commit https://github.com/winny-/mcstat/commit/a40d030c5d73e5815c6a58cfd4036603943697a1
10:15 < belak> winny: thanks... that did seem a little odd when I was looking at it earlier
10:15 < winny> i had multiple double takes as i scrolled past that section of the file
10:15 < belak> How the cuss does this work? $unpacked = unpack('ctype/NsessionId', $response);
10:15 < winny> lol
10:16 < winny> it's rather clever php's unpack()  http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.unpack.php
10:16 < winny> the first arg is based off teh format described in pack() http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pack.php
10:17 < winny> unpack()'s differences are basically that after each format specifier you add a key for an associative array followed by a forward slash
10:18 < winny> so the example above would return something like this:    {   ['type']    =>   9,    ['sessionId']     => 1  }
10:18 < belak> Ah, didn't know about that part
10:19 < winny> i get the feeling that php docs are written to troll everybody but web developers
10:19 < winny> or something like that (haha)
12:18 < Guest91646> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/andrewrk/node-minecraft-protocol/compare/3e2f7032bb43...a885ab9de243
12:18 < Guest91646> [node-minecraft-protocol] deathcap cda8847 - Emit a 'raw' event for all raw buffers (in addition to per-packet-type)
12:18 < Guest91646> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla a885ab9 - Merge pull request #83 from deathcap/more-raw Emit a 'raw' event for all raw buffers (in addition to per-packet-type)
12:38 < Guest91646> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±9] http://git.io/91C7VA
12:38 < Guest91646> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath c04b477 - 14w18a
15:14 <+sadimusi> winny: what exactly do you mean with "have player activity plotted"?
16:03 < morfin> he-he
16:04 < morfin> i always mess pack and unpack
16:08 < morfin> looks like writing php poller for MC server is simple
16:09 < morfin> i forgot is there way to fetch users list from server without plugins>
20:44 < morfin> what for minecraft uses hostname in Handshake?
20:44 < morfin> and port
20:45 < morfin> is that part of non-implemented functionality: load-balancing,proxifiyng etc?
20:46 < Thinkofdeath> I believe it was added to help with virtual hosting
20:47 < morfin> ow
20:47 < morfin> not sure what about virtual hosting
20:48 < morfin> btw it could be used not as expected
20:48 < morfin> like client sends to myhost.com hostname mcmmo.myhost.com 25565 and that "gate" proxify
20:49 < morfin> closest example is nginx i think 
20:50 < morfin> and mostly funny thing you can just register *.myhost.com in NS server so all hostnames will point on same IP 
20:51 < Thinkofdeath> Pretty sure that is how people currently use it, e.g. pvp.myserver.com skips the hub and goes straight to the pvp server
20:51 < morfin> i hate hubs
20:51 < morfin> because they lags sometimes(when server goes up after crashing) etc
20:53 < morfin> what about that stuff bungee cord 
20:54 < Thinkofdeath> ?
20:55 < morfin> does it have that functionality?
20:55 < Thinkofdeath> yep, forced-hosts
20:55 < morfin> ow
20:55 < morfin> nice
21:07 < morfin> wait a second hmm
21:07 < morfin> if it's acting like a client for another server how premium accounts work?
21:08 <+SirCmpwn> I imagine the servers behind bungee cord are in offline mode
21:08 <+SirCmpwn> that's how it's done on SMProxy
21:08 < morfin> hmmm
21:09 <+SirCmpwn> and only allow connections from the proxy, not from anyone
21:09 < morfin> aw crap, i hate that retards who randomly closes access to websites...
21:10 < morfin> hm 
21:10 < morfin> so servers are in offline mode
21:10 < morfin> but bungee-cord auth etc itself
21:11 < morfin> and it handles all encryption
21:11 < morfin> not sure how safe it is if server and bungee cord are not in same local networks..
21:12 <+sadimusi> that is almost never the case
21:13 < morfin> i beleive so
21:49 < winny> sadimusi: this is what i have currently -- https://bytesadism.org/munin/org/bytesadism.org/index.html#minecraft it'd be pretty neat to figure out how to chart player activity on another plot (WIP)
21:50 <+sadimusi> winny: what's not good enough with munin?
21:51 < winny> i've read munin plugins can create multiple graphs so this is possible
21:51 <+sadimusi> what exactly do you mean with player activity?
21:53 < winny> show when players are logged in that kind of thing which is possible in Server List Ping 1.7 and later
21:53 <+sadimusi> so instead of the number of players currently online you want the number of players who joined in the last x minutes?
21:54 < winny> hmm
21:54 < winny> i haven't thought it through, but was thinking i could have a line per player, either it's 1 or 0
21:55 < winny> if that doesn't work i'd probably have to use a different tool
21:55 <+sadimusi> I'm assuming you don't have a lot of players on your server
21:55 < winny> that's true
21:55 < winny> (lol)
21:55 <+sadimusi> maybe a stacked line chart (with filled areas) would make sense for you then
21:56 < winny> yeah that might be neat-o
21:56 < winny> are you familiar with how to tell munin to fill lines?
21:57 <+sadimusi> I'm not familiar with munin at all, I plot my statistics myself
21:57 <+sadimusi> http://minecraftservers.org/stats
21:57 < winny> your own tool does the plotting?
21:57 < winny> that loos very pretty
21:57 <+sadimusi> it's flot
21:57 < winny> looks **
21:58 <+sadimusi> very popular js plotting library
22:00 < winny> is it on github?
22:00 <+sadimusi> http://www.flotcharts.org
22:00 <+sadimusi> and yes: https://github.com/flot/flot
22:00 < winny> your minecraft data collecting tool  that uses flot
22:01 <+sadimusi> no
22:02 < winny> so you run minecraftservers.org
22:03 <+sadimusi> I don't own it, I'm just a paid developer
22:03 <+sadimusi> which is also why I can't disclose any source code
22:03 < winny> that's neat, you got paid to work on minecraftservers.org
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01:19 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/SpaceManiac/Glowstone/compare/423d1f86784b...1daa297d88df
01:19 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac cdf1bbd - Avoid use of printStackTrace.
01:19 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 1daa297 - Fixed some world I/O incompatibilities with vanilla MC (see #78).
01:31 < winny> belak: according to my wireshark log your example server is sending a double nul in the players section
01:31 < winny> oh sorry xD
01:31 < winny> that's part of the constant padding
01:31 < winny> anyways, almost finished with a fix
01:38 < winny> thanks again for the help -- this should fix it https://github.com/winny-/mcstat/commit/48628fcb94242e89e88942b0e969bfbb05b00752
05:02 < Kiya> Hi
05:03 < Kiya> There's a clientside hack that makes your entity appear as if it was dead (fallen over sideways), but you can still walk around like that
05:03 < Kiya> Apparently it's called "ghost mode"
05:03 < Kiya> Can anyone tell me how that works on the protocol level..? I only see two ways to kill entities and both of them appear to destroy the entity in the renderer on the client
05:04 < Kiya> That would be 0x1A EntityStatus and simply setting their health to 0 with entity metadata or 0x06 UpdateHealth
05:04 < Kiya> (I'm trying to replicate this behavior with a serverside plugin)
05:06 <+SpaceManiac> I think there's a "die" animation
05:06 < Kiya> on 0x08 Animation?
05:06 < Kiya> if so it's not documented on the wiki, but I'll check the client
05:21 < Kiya> No joy, client only appears to have animations 0 through 5
05:22 < Kiya> SpaceManiac: Any other ideas?
05:22 <+SpaceManiac> Can't think of anything
05:44 < morfin> winny
05:44 < winny> evening
05:45 < morfin> you're writing PHP statistics?
05:45 < winny> more or less
05:46 < winny> :)
05:46 < winny> gunna write a 1.7 > server list ping first
05:46 < morfin> but Minecraft as i know does not allow to read users list without external plugins etc
05:46 < winny> server list ping 1.7 and later shows players i believe
05:46 < winny> otherwise query can do it
05:47 < morfin> usernames?
05:47 < morfin> i don't think so )
05:47 < winny> do usernames differ from player names?
05:47 < morfin> no
05:47 < winny> see here http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping#Ping_Process
05:48 < morfin> ow
05:48 < morfin> shit =\ i'll need to implement all that later 
05:48 < winny> query can also expose usernames
05:48 < winny> http://wiki.vg/Query#Response_3
05:48 < morfin> but first need to get it working(at least logging in)
05:49 < winny> i suggest modeling after an working implementation because varint and the other changes look confusing (at least to me!)
05:49 < winny> http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping#Examples
05:49 < winny> the Python link i found useful
05:49 < morfin> that's very first thing i had a problems with
05:50 < winny> me too
08:30 < Guest38653> I dropped earlier, but as mentioned earlier: Anyone know how to make an live entity look dead without "poofing"?
08:30 < Kiya> on the protocol level
09:21 < l4mRh4X0r> Kiya: you could try sending the client that they died and directly after that they have full health
09:25 < morfin> but that will show GUI?
09:29 < l4mRh4X0r> Unsure
09:31 < morfin> strange
09:32 < morfin> my reader does read packet_id but do not read port and next_state
09:32 < morfin> but hostname is being readed properly :D
09:52 < l4mRh4X0r> morfin: it will only show the GUI if it's not done within a tick
11:08 < morfin> lol
11:08 < morfin> port: э
11:09 < morfin> i think i am missing something when reading data because that's not supposed to happen
11:13 < winny> what proto are you implementing?
11:13 < winny> interestingly enough i don't see a port field on the response packets for 1.7 server list ping
11:15 < Aragas> That's a packet for server
11:16 < winny> handshake request packet
11:16 < morfin> handshake
11:16 < morfin> i do not know what did i break, because before it worked fine :D
11:16 < Aragas> you developing a server?
11:17 < morfin> something like that :D
11:18 < Aragas> you gonna have baaad time
11:19 < morfin> i know
11:19 < morfin> but even if so that's more interesting than my fucking work
12:26 < winny> Thinkofdeath: in this gist https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/e975ddee04e9c87faf22 how does java's DataOutputStream know how to write a byte (endianness)?
12:28 < Thinkofdeath> winny: A single byte isn't affected by endianness
12:28 < winny> ah I am due for a nap, this is too funny
12:28 < Thinkofdeath> Its the same for big and little endian
12:35 < morfin> and i forgot again about float\double
18:49 < Aragasas> I really can't understand that. I get chunk that are more than 1000 block away of me in offline mode. And the are corrupted - the don't have enough data. I'm *sure* that isn't reading error. 
18:49 < Aragasas> chunks
18:50 < Aragasas> they*. Sorry for misspelling
19:13 < xPucTu4> can anyone help me to setup my ide for 1.6.4
19:14 <+sadimusi> Aragasas: did you confirm it with any protocol library other than your own?
19:17 < Aragasas> sadimusi: Can confirm: spigot, bukkit, vanilla. All with 1.7.9. I'm trying yet to calculate stuff and see if this in my error. But i think that my code is good, because it is from craft.Net :DD
19:17 < Aragasas> Wait one sec
19:18 < Aragasas> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58476180/debug.png
19:18 <+sadimusi> did you try to run the traffic through SMProxy?
19:19 < Aragasas> nope, never saw SMProxy :D
19:19 <+sadimusi> well, just any program other than your own
19:20 <+sadimusi> since you're already using craft.net anyway I suggest you try out SMProxy
19:20 < shoghicp> Aragasas: are you reading it using little-endian or big-endian packing?
19:22 < Aragasas> shighicp: dunno, but other packets are reading correctly
19:23 < Aragasas> shoghicp: dunno, but other packets are reading correctly
19:24 < shoghicp> my favorite name typo is shogchips, you won't win over that ;P
19:24 < shoghicp> well
19:24 < shoghicp> check that, I think it's big-endian
19:24 < Aragasas> sorry :D
19:24 < shoghicp> so long since I worked with the PC protocol
19:25 <+sadimusi> shoghicp: if he's using craft.net he doesn't have to worry about that
19:25 < shoghicp> ok then
19:26 < Aragasas> that is weird, this error is only in offline mode
19:26 < Aragasas> and not all packets damaged
19:26 < Aragasas> i mean map chunk bulk
19:27 < shoghicp> encryption thing, maybe?
19:27 < shoghicp> enabled by error?
19:28 < Aragasas> nope. Definitely not.
19:29 < shoghicp> <3 weird bugs
19:29 < Aragasas> true, true
19:31 < Aragasas> i think that this is something like packet length (reading?) error. My client get length and just cut the bytes from the stream. And then handle them
19:32 < Aragasas> nah, nope.
19:32 < Aragasas> then metadata must be broken
20:20 < TkTech> https://twitter.com/KrisJelbring/status/453573406341206016
20:20 < TkTech> That one tweet added 4000 uniques/day to wiki.vg
20:23 < shoghicp> heh
20:24 < shoghicp> how many unique users / pageviews in total?
20:24 < shoghicp> I'm curious
20:26 < Thinkofdeath> Also did the number of edits increase?
20:36 < morfin> hm
20:40 < Aragasas> Does a vanilla minecraft client use function that don't read chunks from packets that are too far from player?
20:41 < morfin> it send visibility limit as i know
20:42 < morfin> so it does not receive them i think
20:42 < shoghicp> Aragasas: do you send that limit?
20:45 < Aragasas> shoghicp: Have just sended. Didn't help. But, i have a problem with sending ChatFlags field. I think it can be wrong, to the server just ignore the whle packet
20:45 < Aragasas> so*
20:46 < morfin> on again i forgot about Proxifier :(
20:47 < morfin> was trying to catch my response from real server to server query
20:47 < Aragasas> I hope that this isn't the source of the bug. The online mode don't have this bug - and it confuses me.
20:48 < morfin> wait what?
20:49 < morfin> there no players list in server query response
20:50 <+Amaranth> The vanilla server ignores the view distance the client sends
20:50 <+Amaranth> It just always sends however many chunks it is configured to send in the server.properties and the client does whatever with ones it can't render
20:50 <+Amaranth> Dunno if it holds on to them or just drops them
20:51 < Aragasas> If it drops them - than this is the explanation why vanilla client don't have this bug.
20:52 < Thinkofdeath> Pretty sure it only drops them if the server tells it too
20:53 < Thinkofdeath> At least thats how it works back when I was working on my server, that may have changed recently
20:53 < Thinkofdeath> *worked
20:54 < TkTech> Thinkofdeath: I don't I can tell that without mixing in the DB
20:54 < morfin> Thinkofdeath vanilla does not send players list..
20:54 < morfin> and Bukkit as well
20:55 < Thinkofdeath> morfin: ?
20:55 < TkTech> shoghicp: We got 58% more views than uniques on the day of the spike
20:55 < Thinkofdeath> You mean the tcp ping?
20:55 < morfin> no serverquery
20:56 < morfin> it sends only players number,description,server name, favicon(base64) but no players list :(
20:56 < Thinkofdeath> Thats the tcp ping, and it only sends a sample of 12 players
20:57 < Aragasas> I just can't believe that this bug is on my side. But i use here Craft.Net code, they would notice this bug 
20:58 < morfin> oops
20:58 < morfin> can you tell me vanilla client would ignore all unused properties?
20:59 < Thinkofdeath> Some parts are optional, I believe if certain parts are missing it will show as an outdated server
21:03 < morfin> i think i can add some info
21:13 < Aragasas> I'm receving sometimes chunks with 0,0 coordinates. Player position is X: -1022 Z:350 . So it is, again, weird. Life is pain.
21:22 < qolund> Hello.
21:23 <+sadimusi> Aragasas: you should really verify that with another implementatio
21:23 <+sadimusi> *implementation
21:35 < Aragasas> sadimusi: See only one Python implementation that read map chunk bulk, except C# projects. And seems that it doesn't have this problem. I'll continue my research
21:36 < Aragasas> https://github.com/nickelpro/spock
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09:56 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/1g_-8Q
09:56 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 35e7c91 - Quieted world load messages and fixed ByteArrayTag toString.
--- Day changed sam. mai 03 2014
02:55 < tagged> hey all! been a while since i installed a server, last time i went with FTB Unleashed server.  I would love to do a pack with Applied Energistics 2, anything put together out there that might include that?
03:00 < shoghicp> tagged: this is a place for Minecraft internals development
03:01 < tagged> oh  :)
03:01 < tagged> thanks
03:01 < shoghicp> try #FTB on irc.esper.net
04:02 < Ray__> hey anyone can help me with my plugin system
04:02 < Ray__> i'm tried to load plugins from an plugins folder
04:03 < Ray__> but it throws alway n c lass def found ..
04:03 < dx> plugin system of what
04:03 < Ray__> *no class def found
04:04 < Ray__> how of what ?
04:04 < dx> what are you developing? (if anything)
04:04 < Ray__> a loadbalancer
04:04 < Ray__> and i want a plugin system for it
04:05 < Ray__> but i throws me always no class def found...
04:05 < dx> what language?
04:05 < Ray__> java
04:07 < Ray__> any idea ?
04:08 < dx> well it doesn't seem like a minecraft specific question, and we don't have many java devs here (i wouldn't consider myself one), so you could try asking in ##java
04:10 <+SpaceManiac> Ray__: I know a bit about Java and plugin systems, maybe I could help?
04:10 < dx> a wild SpaceManiac appears
04:10 < Ray__> maybe 
04:11 <+gicode> TkTech: steam is down?
04:12 < dx> http://steamstat.us/ rip
--- Log opened sam. mai 03 17:24:39 2014
17:24 -!- Irssi: #mcdevs: Total of 132 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 10 voices, 121 normal]
17:28 < morfin> how server is handling chat messages? i mean if you want to change color\add prefixes etc you have to split original message to pieces?
17:30 -!- Irssi: Join to #mcdevs was synced in 361 secs
17:32 < morfin> so you'll have some "basic" string and extra contentents
17:32 < morfin> *contents
17:33 < morfin> according to this format: https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/e882ce057ed83bac0a1c
17:35 < Thinkofdeath> Something like this: {"text":"", "extra":[{"color":"aqua","text":"<username>:"}, {"bold":true, "text": "Hello world"}]}
17:35 < morfin> yep
17:36 < Flemmard`> oh god that sounds heavy
17:38 < morfin> why?
17:39 < morfin> i can only guess how many 
17:39 < morfin> *how many code i'll need to handle all that, including click events, hover events,colors and stuff
17:39 < Flemmard`> well it's json
17:39 < Flemmard`> then ..
17:40 < morfin> JSON is not that bad
17:40 < Flemmard`> yeah but for a simple text it seems 'heavy' but it's a choice ^^
17:40 < morfin> lol XML could be heavier )
17:41 < Flemmard`> sure lol
17:41 < morfin> i think they replaced old &1 format because added some stuff
17:41 < morfin> like hover\click events
17:41 < Flemmard`> i see
17:42 < morfin> don't forget you can remove all new lines\unnesessary spaces
17:45 < morfin> i want to try and turn off "pretty" output in my code
18:00 < morfin> Thinkofdeath what for version in response(to serverquery) is being used?
18:01 < morfin> i assume if it's not equeal to one i send server will be showed like unavalible for me in client correct?
18:01 < Thinkofdeath> yep
18:02 < Thinkofdeath> 1.7.9 = 5
18:02 < morfin> lol :D
18:03 < morfin> i am using 1.7.2 for testing 
18:03 < Thinkofdeath> Thats 4 then
18:03 < morfin> i know
18:03 < morfin> shit i am afraid of changes will come in 1.8.0
18:03 < morfin> everything will be messed up
18:03 < Thinkofdeath> How so?
18:04 < morfin> i beleive protocol will be totally changed
18:04 < Thinkofdeath> http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol It hasn't changed too much
18:04 < morfin> ow
18:10 < morfin> what about version name?
18:11 < morfin> as example i was playing 1.7.2 server on 1.7.4 and both use 4 so version name is unnesessary
18:11 < Thinkofdeath> The name is only displayed when the protocol versions don't match
18:12 < morfin> ow
18:12 < Thinkofdeath> Doesn't affect anything else
18:14 < morfin> funny i did not see that yet
20:41 < Aragas> morfin: everything will be perfect! You can now forget about different datatypes for one object. That is wonderful
20:43 < morfin> hm?
20:44 < Aragas> see entity id's. They can be Int or VarInt
20:45 < Aragas> That is not cool
20:45 < morfin> he-he
20:49 < morfin> does vanilla store prepared chunks(for sending) in memory cache?
20:49 < morfin> maybe even gzipped 
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00:03 < Freeway> Hello
06:11 < l00ps> hey all. I'm playing around with a server implementation. When I receive the handshake packet I get a length of 20, though the packet w/o the beginning lenght varint is 29.
06:11 < l00ps> I'm unsure what is going on. Any ideas?
06:30 < l00ps> nvm, i was parsing incorrectly
10:04 < morfin> hm is there a way to understand size of varint(when writing from int type)?
12:43 < morfin> hm
13:19 < morfin> anybody implemented big endian and little endian to varint conversions?
13:19 < morfin> big endian and little endian ints
15:36 < morfin> anybody here?
16:06 < Eyes> no
16:07 < Eyes> nobody is here
16:22 < morfin> ok then
18:20 < TkTech> fragmer: Do you know if Zaneo is still in here? I think he changed his nick at some point.
18:22 <+fragmer> He's still on EsperNet
18:23 <+fragmer> in #fCraft right now as Zaneo|Away
18:28 < morfin> hm funny 
18:29 < morfin> Google already created stuff for things like Minecraft protocol
18:30 < morfin> i meant protobufs which looks compatible with protocol we got
18:34 < qolund> morfin which language ?
18:35 < morfin> C++
18:35 < qolund> May this help you.
18:35 < qolund> def pack_varint(d):
18:35 < qolund>   return bytes([(0x40*(i!=d.bit_length()//7))+((d>>(7*(i)))%128) for i in range(1+d.bit_length()//7)])
18:35 < qolund> ;D
18:35 < morfin> what's that?
18:35 < morfin> looks like varint parser
18:35 < qolund> int to varint in python
18:35 < morfin> :D
18:36 < qolund> (used in the last entry of http://blog.brony.fr/one-liners.html : « Minecraft server status querying in 474 bytes » )
18:38 < morfin> hm 
18:38 < morfin> python have a strange syntax :)
18:48 < morfin> i always was wondering how all that [... for i in range(...)] works
18:49 < morfin> but Perl can be much more complicated
18:50 < qolund> Yep. perl guys always beat me (with ython) when we coutn chars.
18:53 < morfin> i saw oneliners on Perl and i can say that sometimes it's unreadable mess
18:53 < morfin> interesting is not Google who invented varints?
18:56 < morfin> i was looking at Minecraft protocol and it always use unsigned varints right?
18:57 < morfin> there no negative values in description
19:10 < Eyes> perl is the language that can be typed with no letter keys on your keyboard
19:11 < Eyes> if you smash your head on the keyboard, you often get valid perl
19:11 <+AndrewPH> it's the only language in which defacating on your keyboard is the proper process to write.
19:26 < dx> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:patriciopalladino.com/blog/2012/08/09/non-alphanumeric-javascript.html
19:33 < morfin> lol
19:34 < morfin> that's ugly
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04:55 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/b9u8aw
04:55 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac ef85f89 - Switched to try-with-resources in a few places (for #83).
05:33 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/tDq4GQ
05:33 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 6f42ff8 - Changed weather to only happen in normal world and handle case where no chunks are loaded (see #94).
06:09 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/wqZiow
06:09 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac a0ca01b - Changed world init sequence to match CraftBukkit more closely.
07:34 < morfin> can varint be readed as big endian?
07:35 <+SpaceManiac> varint doesn't have an endianness
07:35 < morfin> i know
07:37 < morfin> but i've got that code: which reads into LE https://gist.github.com/morfin60/73e708b3db1af6b20365
07:38 < morfin> was trying to change order then return ntohs(value); but it does not work 
07:39 < morfin> google says nothing about reading into BE int
07:39 <+SpaceManiac> you shouldn't have to worry about endianness once it's already in an int since you're just performing math
07:40 <+SpaceManiac> regardless of system endianness you should have correct value without ntohs
07:40 <+SpaceManiac> or ntohl as the case may be
07:40 < morfin> that's why i wanted to run SPARC64 system )
07:40 < morfin> in qemu 
22:54 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±36] http://git.io/oMUE_w
22:54 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] ewized 7a39f40 - Switched to Diamond Operator (for #83).
22:54 < Guest91646> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac b24743c - Switched to diamond operator in a few missed places (closes #83).
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00:47 < TkTech> gicode: Learned something interesting today. While docked ships accelerate at the same rate, they still have their own intertia.
00:48 < TkTech> gicode: If you have a small ship like the Tick docked inside of a large ship (like mine) with insufficient pads/armor strength, and I suddenly reverse, your ship will literally get ripped to shreds
01:41 < nevercast> TkTech, What game is this ? 
01:45 < TkTech> nevercast: Space Engineers. gicode, Zaneo, and myself have been playing for around a week.
01:45 < TkTech> Basically minecraft in space.
01:45 < nevercast> Ooh
01:45 < nevercast> So nothing like Kerbal then
01:45 < TkTech> Not at all outside of the physics model
01:45 < TkTech> Still pretty fun!
01:46 < nevercast> I do enjoy space games
01:46 < nevercast> Already ordered Star Citizen
01:47 < nevercast> TkTech, I need this game!
01:49 < TkTech> Looks fun right? All the videos are outdated by the way.
01:49 < nevercast> Off to paypal I go
01:49 < TkTech> The devs are active and release several small updates a week.
01:49 < TkTech> Just don't try public multiplayer. You will be very sad.
01:49 < TkTech> I tried. Once. Spawned in on a platform and there were hundreds of +1g gravity generators under the platform.
01:50 < TkTech> Slammed me into the platform until I died and turned into a pancake.
01:50 < nevercast> Wow -- 
01:50 < nevercast> Troll server
01:51 < nevercast> Yeah I've been playing Kerbal Multiplayer a lot -- but you just can't build massive vessels without them falling apart when you attempt a manuvure 
01:51 < nevercast> There is only so much strength to be gained from a docking port
01:51 < TkTech> Ah - the scale doesn't really compare between the two.
01:52 < TkTech> There are 3 classes of entities in SE. Stations (titanic, static), Large Ship (titanic, dynamic), and Small Ship (very small, dynamic).
01:52 < TkTech> Kerbal is on the small ship scale.
01:52 < nevercast> Indeed it is
01:53 < nevercast> Largest vessel that was flyable (At the expensive of tonnes of weight in monopropellant) was no more than 300 meters
01:53 < TkTech> The current ship I'm building with Zaneo, which is on the smaller side of large ships, is already 2.4 million kilograms. And that's just the shell.
01:53 < nevercast> And that damn thing always broke apart, so quick load was common
01:53 < nevercast> I'm looking forward to this game, even if it was $20
01:54 < nevercast> I notice Steam has remote install now, so it'll be available when I get home
01:54 < TkTech> Some of the Kerbal ships are pretty crazy. I noticed in all the videos I watched anything remotely large lagged something awful.
01:54 < nevercast> Yeah it does
01:54 < TkTech> Hundreds of thrusters are the norm in SE.
01:54 < nevercast> Less lag during warp because physics are disabled
02:00 < nevercast> TkTech has a BNC 
02:00 < nevercast> Good job :P
02:01 < TkTech> What, try to CTCP me or something?
02:01 < nevercast> CTCP and Whois yes, was trying to determine if you were in Canada as to add the correct TKTech on Steam
02:02 < TkTech> That's probably me
02:03 < nevercast> Added then
02:04 < TkTech> Munuching some pizza, I'll confirm it when I move to the desktop
02:04 < nevercast> Not a problem
02:05 < nevercast> If you're a member of Top Notch Clan, then it's you.
02:05 < TkTech> Sounds familiar
02:05 < nevercast> AFK Lunch.
16:48 < morfin> and i am back 
16:49 < morfin> i failed to run Debian SPARC64 to test code i've posted because somebody said endianess does not matter..
20:08 < TobiX> morfin: Sparc? People still use those? *gd&r*
20:09 < TobiX> (Says the one with the AlphaStation in the closet ;))
20:49 < morfin> i wanted to check some stuff
20:50 < morfin> with big endian platform
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01:38 < winny> i wish i still had my sparc64 box, would have been of help :)
06:13 < nevercast_> TkTech, http://i.imgur.com/WHC9G4w.png
06:13 < nevercast_> Dedicated SE :D
06:35 < TkTech> o;
06:38 < TkTech> Now can you actually load am ap
06:38 < TkTech> *a map
18:59 < morfin> shit i hate qemu already 
--- Day changed jeu. mai 08 2014
09:16 < morfin> how ticks works in Minecraft?
09:17 < morfin> so server sleeps between ticks?
09:17 < Flemmard> it's basically to get you some time referential
09:18 < morfin> it's for synchronization
09:18 < morfin> between client\server but
09:21 < morfin> i beleive that slow down server many times
09:28 < morfin> so i do nothing between ticks right?
13:00 < shoghicp> morfin: you can do whatever you want between ticks
13:00 < shoghicp> for example, receiving packets and processing them
13:00 < shoghicp> but ticks (for entity updates, random block updates, and more) will fire 20 times per second
13:01 < shoghicp> but player movements, block breaking/placing are not dependent on that
16:33 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±103] http://git.io/iAyX0Q
16:33 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath 61df2ab - 14w19a
17:04 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/I9Dp-Q
17:04 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath 8e02e26 - Handle the writeUUID method
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07:57 < morfin> hello
08:36 < morfin> physics happens on tick?
14:24 < shoghicp> morfin: they do
14:43 < morfin> who?
15:18 < shoghicp> <morfin> hello
15:18 < shoghicp> <morfin> physics happens on tick?
15:18 < shoghicp> yes, they happen on a tick
--- Day changed lun. mai 12 2014
04:16 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+0/-0/±8] http://git.io/Mt7v9g
04:16 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 00c5347 - Cleanup to world storage system, minor ItemMeta/Entity storage fixes.
04:16 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 937be61 - Experimental mitigation for #92.
20:19 < Acconut> Hello, anyone here?
20:19 <+sadimusi> o/
20:19 < Acconut> Does varints have a maximum length (not max. value) or can they be infinite long?
20:21 < Acconut> Don't mind. I've found the answer. It seems to be 8. :D
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01:26 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac deleted branch blocktype
23:34 < Brott> dav1d: im using zsh now lol
23:35 < dav1d> Brottweiler: fonally
23:35 < Brottweiler> dav1d: bugs me that there is no tab completion for powerpill but there is for pacman
23:35 < dav1d> Brottweiler: installed oh my zsh?
23:35 < Brottweiler> yes
23:36 < Brottweiler> dav1d: give me your secrets
23:36 < Brottweiler> :p
23:36 < dav1d> that's it
23:36 < dav1d> I am out
23:36 < dav1d> :>
23:36 < Brottweiler> haha
23:36 < dav1d> enable the archlinux completion in the config
23:36 < Brottweiler> just default otherwise? xD
23:36 < Brottweiler> i did that actually
23:36 < dav1d> ya, my own theme but that's it
23:36 < Brottweiler> i have git, archlinux, and some other of those plugins
23:37 < Brottweiler> its so cool that it has like
23:37 < Brottweiler> git "interface" in the prompt
23:37 < dav1d> ya, it helps
23:38 < Brottweiler> still bugs me that it doesnt have completion for powerpill
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23:45 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/KSeBeg
23:45 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] innoying 95bacd4 - Fix team scoreboard Because the team scoreboard values are optional, they should not always be included in the written response.
23:45 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] Luke Young 5f349d3 - Revert "Fix team scoreboard" This reverts commit 95bacd4bfd2b68b0084c3e3b186e796838223a20.
23:45 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] Luke Young 61b7a0c - Better condition fix
23:45 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] ... and 1 more commits.
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/T030rA
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] innoying 97bf07b - Fix entityMetadata reads Seems to have been broken at some point. This pull request fixes it.
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla 2804fcd - Merge pull request #87 from innoying/patch-1 Fix entityMetadata reads
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/CLBeIw
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] innoying 833df20 - Fix Spawn Object Packet Parsing If read fails a pre-condition within a container, skip it
23:46 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla 9181fe9 - Merge pull request #89 from innoying/patch-3 Fix Spawn Object Packet Parsing
23:49 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/lY0OOQ
23:49 < Not-6d9> [node-minecraft-protocol] roblabla f80b2aa - Fix nullable state code not working.
--- Day changed jeu. mai 15 2014
04:29 <+SpaceManiac> Do any tools for checking the validity of world files exist?
06:48 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 2 commits [+5/-0/±7] http://git.io/PrWlcg
06:48 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 9b5721c - Basic chest inventory and I/O support (no double chests or facing directions).
06:48 < Not-6d9> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 90c8c56 - Update to Bukkit for 1.7.9
18:47 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±104] http://git.io/IxAECA
18:47 < Not-6d9> [mcprotocol] thinkofdeath 3b7e42d - 14w20a
--- Day changed ven. mai 16 2014
04:39 < Not-6d9> [bravo] brutal-chaos pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/dMbzAA
04:39 < Not-6d9> [bravo] Justin Noah 85e8c9d - Revert "Add PIL to requirements.txt, because web.py plugin needs it" This adds way moe than needed and includes a PIL that isn't on pypi which breaks tests on travis-ci and a dev can't just install the requirements.txt to ge the environment up. This reverts commit 48eb8507a131876590cc0e80981cd52368e384ac.
04:40 < Not-6d9> [bravo] Justin Noah bb96c01 - requirements: added Pillow removes the "No module named PIL" error
04:40 < Not-6d9> [bravo] Justin Noah 058dad3 - travis-ci: added notifications
17:53 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Doing anything interesting with that fork?
19:29 <+SpaceManiac> TkTech: of Jawa, I'm guessing? Nothing super exciting yet, just fiddling about with it. I'm not entirely certain I clicked the fork button intentionally. 
20:25 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Do you just need writes or bytecode modification as well?
20:25 < TkTech> I've basically given up on writing/modifying the bytecode for newer releases of Java
20:27 <+SpaceManiac> Haven't needed to do anything there yet. Right now just rewriting my jar checker script from ages ago
20:27 < TkTech> Ah, righto.
20:28 < TkTech> The StackMapTable introduced by JSR 202 in SE 7 made life a lot more difficult when trying to modify bytecode.
20:28 < TkTech> It's not an optional attribute, since if you don't build it just right you fail verification.
20:31 <+SpaceManiac> Ah, I can see how that'd be annoying
20:34 <+SpaceManiac> Oh, I did spot something pretty minor - speed_freak, cf/__init__.py line 34, I think "self." can be removed
20:41 < TkTech> cf/__init__.py doesn't exist oO
20:41 < TkTech> Oh
20:41 < TkTech> That branch
20:41 < TkTech> Right
20:42 <+SpaceManiac> master preferred?
20:42 < TkTech> speed_freak does *nothing* beyond the basics of reading
20:42 < TkTech> It's much, much faster.
20:42 < TkTech> But incomplete.
20:43 < TkTech> You're right, that self can go
20:43 < TkTech> Which probably eliminates a LOCAL_LOOKUP
20:44 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Feel free to use speed_freak, if you need anything missing I'll add it.
20:44 < TkTech> Someone actually using it does amazing things for motivation.
20:46 < TkTech> If you want to get rid of the object overhead from using ClassFile, you can using parsing.parse_classfile(<file-like-obj>) directly, which just gives you JSON
20:56 < Not-3925> [Jawa] TkTech pushed 1 commit to speed_freak [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/XicSQA
20:56 < Not-3925> [Jawa] TkTech cf13960 - Get rid of unneeded self access when loading interfaces (Thanks SpaceManiac)
--- Day changed sam. mai 17 2014
23:55 <+AndrewPH> TkTech: you should be watching the dogepdx stream
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10:16 < madcat1990> Quick Question, can someone provide me with a binary to brala?
10:21 < madcat1990> I'm running Debian x86, no matter how much I try, I keep running into an error with std.format : format using GDC to compile Brala.
10:22 < madcat1990> Any tips?
--- Day changed lun. mai 19 2014
05:31 < Not-f074> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/CmnOwg
05:31 < Not-f074> [Glowstone] SpaceManiac 495959e - Some fixups to RegionFile to fix wildly incorrect structure on Linux. Chunks still sometimes broken.
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18:12 < TkTech> Bleh, spam bots are creating pages again.
18:18 < umby24> oh fun
18:29 < TkTech> And nuke you! And you! And you, you, and you!
18:29 < TkTech> Should turn this into a minigame.
18:30 <+sadimusi> how about a minigame captcha instead?
18:32 < TkTech> I find it interesting that every once in awhile some $1/month slave-child in Indonesia answers the captcha's for the bots.
18:33 < TkTech> That last burst of spam was all from one IP
18:34 < TkTech> sadimusi: Probably with a minigame captcha is that to do it realistically, it has to be simple. There's one that comes with media wiki which is to arrange the puzzle to match the picture
18:34 < TkTech> Was broken almost instantly.
18:35 < TkTech> *Problem
18:35 <+sadimusi> i'm sure all the cpatchas that come with mediawiki are broken already
18:36 < TkTech> Right, and so the "most effective" one is the context-specific question - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
18:36 < TkTech> With the caveat that it only works until some human answers it
18:37 < TkTech> (We're using the QuestyCaptcha from that table)
18:38 <+sadimusi> asirra sounds interesting
18:39 < TkTech> Already broken.
18:39 <+sadimusi> looks like a simplified version of confident
18:39 < TkTech> Turns out classifying cats is a fun hobby project for people.
18:39 <+sadimusi> :D
18:39 < dx> if questy failed, it's obvious they paid some human to """crack""" it
18:40 < dx> which makes me sad
18:40 < TkTech> That's what I meant by Indonesian slave-child
18:40 <+sadimusi> confident seems like the only popular one which can't be cracked for a fraction of a cent
18:40 < dx> yeah, i'd rather not be that specific :P
18:40 <+sadimusi> but it's a pita to solve
18:41 < TkTech> Which wasn't sarcasm, they actually have bunkhouses where they do nothing but do Amazon Turk jobs. Slave masters take the meager earnings.
18:41 < dx> yeah...
18:41 < TkTech> sadimusi: Got a link?
18:41 < shoghicp> "Come to the IRC and ask for the answer"
18:41 < dx> ^
18:41 <+sadimusi> http://confidenttechnologies.com/Confident_CAPTCHA_Demo
18:42 < TkTech> shoghicp: Not everyone uses IRC that contributes
18:42 < dx> TkTech: mibbit link, problem solved
18:42 < shoghicp> yeah, I know
18:42 < TkTech> I think I banned mibbit
18:42 < dx> unban mibbit, problem solved
18:42 <+sadimusi> doesn't freenode block mibbit?
18:42 < shoghicp> it does
18:42 < dx> huh? why?
18:43 < shoghicp> only the freenode webchat works now
18:43 < TkTech> Probably. Quality of the network instantly drops.
18:43 <+sadimusi> but they have their own web client
18:43 < shoghicp> dx: abuse
18:43 < TkTech> I like IRC mostly because it requires the tiniest amount of problem solving to get on it.
18:43 < TkTech> Web clients defeat that.
18:44 < dx> shoghicp: but with the webchat protocol it doesn't work so much as a 'proxy', freenode gets the real IP
18:44 < shoghicp> that too
18:44 < shoghicp> well, they scan for open proxies
18:49 < dx> oh, apparently they couldn't trust the mibbit admins enough to keep it
18:49 < dx> http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/
19:16 < TkTech> Ouch, you think they'd have tried communicating a bit better with one of the largest networks.
19:17 < TkTech> Especially since, as devs, they probably spend time on here.
19:18 < TkTech> sadimusi: See, I feel like this would be too easy as well.
19:18 < TkTech> sadimusi: It just requires a fairly large collection of images and a basic tagger
19:18 <+sadimusi> that's what I thought as well
19:18 <+sadimusi> and there exist services to crack it
19:19 <+sadimusi> but they're much more expensive than those for recaptcha for example
19:25 <+sadimusi> (i'm using a confident captcha for user votes on minecraftservers.org where a context specific question doesn't do the trick) 
19:58 < TkTech> Ah, hm.
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01:44 < jflory7> Hi everyone - I am trying to install a Minecraft server wrapper on my server, and I'm running into a few issues. Every time I try running the configuration command for the wrapper, it throws an error to me about Twisted. I know Twisted was updated a week ago, and this wrapper was last updated three months ago. Anyone have any recommendations for what to do? I'm a Linux novice. http://paste.md-5.net/coxepiwepa.avrasm
01:44 < jflory7> I was told I can bypass the deprecation, but I'm not quite sure how to do that.
01:48 <+SpaceManiac> the error doesn't look like it's coming from the deprecation, but from not being able to find an executable
01:52 <+sadimusi> yeah it's trying to launch your editor
01:53 <+sadimusi> do you have the $EDITOR env variable set?
01:54 <+sadimusi> jflory7: ^
02:10 < winny> https://github.com/mcdevs/mark2/blob/d22b5d3520038f3dbfaac5640bfbf34a7d3acb10/mk2/launcher.py#L452-L485
02:30 < jflory7> sadimusi: How do I set the environment variable? I use vi for my editor.
02:30 <+sadimusi> export EDITOR="/usr/bin/vi"
02:32 < winny> what is the availability of the type builtin as a program?
02:33 < winny> https://github.com/mcdevs/mark2/blob/d22b5d3520038f3dbfaac5640bfbf34a7d3acb10/mk2/launcher.py#L410-L416
02:33 < jflory7> sadimusi: Done, but I'm still getting the same error, I think.
02:34 < jflory7> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/62b67239969b28da0d6f
02:34 < winny> if you type $EDITOR in the terminal, does it run your vi editor
02:34 < jflory7> winny: -bash: /usr/bin/vi: No such file or directory
02:35 < jflory7> Seems like the issue
02:35 < winny> maybe you mean that you use vim
02:35 < winny> what do you get when you type $    which vim
02:36 < jflory7> Probably, winny. I get /usr/bin/vim
02:36 < winny> try export EDITOR=vim
02:36 < jflory7> Alrighty.
02:36 < winny> out of curiosity what os are you on?
02:37 < jflory7> Bingo. Got it. I'm on CentOS. // I still get the Twisted error, but it's not having a problem loading the configuration file for mark2
02:37 <+sadimusi> winny: the shell=True makes the subprocess.call return 0
02:37 < winny> oh I see what you mean
02:38 < winny> was surprised to not see which used, but it looks like type is everywhere, as a stand alone and as a shell bulitin -- though csh doesn't have a type builtin
02:40 < winny> jflory7: you might want to configure the system default editor -- something like this should work (as root):   echo 'export PATH=vim' > /etc/profile.d/custom-editor.sh && chmod 755 /etc/profile.d/custom-editor.sh
02:41 < winny> so you don't have this problem in future