12:57 < MrARM> 2 I think
12:57 < MrARM> Yes, 2
13:00 < MrARM> anyway, is reviving a negative walking and flying speed normal? 
13:01 < MrARM> sorry, I read int instead of byte
14:41 < Jckf> Does this count as a lib, or a code snippet? https://gist.github.com/Jckf/7872337
14:43 < MrARM> I think it's a lib
14:58 < Jckf> That's what I was thinking. Published here http://wiki.vg/Library_List
18:03 < TkTech> nerd323: This is not an "official" channel. <insert "You have no power here!" meme>
20:00 < skarlitz> Quick question, when the protocol docs refer to "VarInts", do they mean signed or unsigned? I'd assume the handshake packet's signage would be unsigned since you can't have a negative length, but what about others?
20:02 < SinZ> there are no negative varints in 1.7.x afaik
20:02 < skarlitz> M'kay, thank you. 
20:36 < nickelpro> No one likes to entirely follow the VarInt spec, Starbound packs them big-endian for example despite the spec very clearly saying they're supposed to be packed least significant group first
20:37 < nickelpro> Minecraft (used to) pack signed values into unsigned varints
22:23 < williamtdr> Hello!
22:24 < Thinkofdeath> hey
22:38 < nickelpro> sup
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00:59 < williamtdr> OK, so is anyone here familiar with the ins and outs of Pocket Edition client bugs?
01:00 < williamtdr> I'm having an issue where players are sometimes invisible on my servers, and it seems to happen randomly, to random people. Those who are invisible for some may not be invisible for others.
01:00 < williamtdr> And vise versa.
01:03 <+SirCmpwn> talk to shogchip when he shows up
01:03 < williamtdr> SirChojin: He says he's too busy. :/
01:07 < TkTech> Wait...does minecraftwiki no longer exist?
01:07 < nickelpro> TkTech: works for me
01:07 < TkTech> Ah...it's a subdomain of gamepedia.com now...that seems odd...
01:08 < nickelpro> Curses wanted to consolidate its gamewikis under one umbrella
01:11 < SinZ> its just Curse playing monopoly, nothing new
01:19 < TkTech> That seems...odd. The minecraftwiki.org domain has so much more umph behind it as far as branding and inbound links...
02:06 < williamtdr> md_5: Hello!
02:22 < KnownUnown> TkTech: minecraftwiki.org still redirects to the gamepedia one :) 
05:02 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-1/±3] http://git.io/R3vRtg
05:03 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 3a4e8ef - Added NullPolicyAttribute, and NullPolicy enum for it. This replaces the more-rigid IgnoreOnNullAttribute.
09:28 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/KiiwfQ
09:28 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 1a46e55 - Added ability to serialize NbtFile properties in NbtSerializationGen
09:28 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 8151ec5 - Added null-handling code for NbtFile properties.
09:28 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer adc2309 - Implemented serialization of NbtTag properties.
19:42 < SinZ> Is there any difference in protocol between 1.7.2 and 1.7.4?
19:43 < Dinnerbone> No.
19:43 < SinZ> Nice
23:07 < williamtdr> People don't talk much in here. :)
23:07 < shoghicp> It uses to be quiet for long periods of time
23:08 < shoghicp> then, suddenly, I have a backlog of thousands of lines
23:32 < williamtdr> It's like a library...
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00:19 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/uSjCWw
00:19 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer a1e0aaa - Added NullPolicyAttribute support for ILists of primitive types.
00:19 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer b9a2000 - Started on a global cache for NbtSerialize<T> functions
03:21 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/8toarg
03:21 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer f2f0fd0 - NbtSerializationGen: Added support for Enum properties; got the global cache working; now printing the compiled expression tree when in debug mode.
04:42 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/E5M-ZQ
04:42 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 136acaf - NbtSerializationGen: Removed an unnecessary cast in the expression tree generated by MakeTagForPrimitiveType, and named the local vars.
07:52 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/YFUOjA
07:52 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 1b3dba4 - Disabled running code analysis every time the project is built.
07:52 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer ed92fb4 - NbtSerializationGen: Added support for serializing ILists of any type (except ILists-of-ILists, for now). Fixed a few bugs along the way.
08:20 < Drainedsoul> I keep hoping I'll see commits to other C++ projects :(
11:01 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/SVScGA
11:01 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 087d472 - NbtSerializationGen: Added support for lists-of-lists and lists-of-enums.
13:00 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/Wo-WtA
13:00 < Not-002> [fNbt] fragmer 015f57a - Added a way to debug compiled Nbt serialization code (define DEBUG_NBTSERIALIZE_COMPILER to enable). Fixed a bug in serializing ILists of primitive types that do not directly map to NBT types (missing cast). Fixed a bug in serializing complex compound tags, or ILists of such types.
17:37 <+sadimusi> md_5: did you somehow disable the old query in spigot or bungee?
17:42 < SinZ> server list ping, or query?
17:42 <+sadimusi> server list ping
17:42 < Thinkofdeath> sadimusi: Bungee expects the legacy ping to start with 0xFE01FA not just 0xFE01 like some sites used to send
17:42 <+sadimusi> some of the big networks started to return an empty string recently
17:43 <+sadimusi> Thinkofdeath: that's what I'm sending
17:44 < Thinkofdeath> Well pinging a 1.7 bungee with a 1.6 client works fine here
17:46 <+sadimusi> just noticed that it's not just an empty string but a completely empty payload, which makes a bit more sense
17:46 <+sadimusi> the server just disconnects me
20:10 < jj2baile> }/win 20
22:13 < shoghicp> registered all of them xD
22:14 < shoghicp> oops, wrong channel
22:15 < dx> reported you to the freenode police
22:16 < shoghicp> :(
22:18 < dx> do we have any proxies updated to 1.7 already?
22:19 < dx> or did everyone find a better way to debug protocol issues?
22:25 < Thinkofdeath> dx: Its builtin now
22:25 < dx> Thinkofdeath: the log4j stuff?
22:25 < Thinkofdeath> yeah
22:26 < dx> hm fair enough
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15:59 < skarlitz> Any ideas on how to invoke a method within a separate thread? I'm trying to write an event handler that'll alert task threads of an incoming event so they can respond appropriately. I haven't exactly found any useful answers online, as most people point to Executors, which are a Java 7 feature, but I'm targeting Java 6. 
16:00 < dx> maybe the answer isn't threads
16:01 < dx> unless you're using threads already, in that case, well, that sucks
16:03 < skarlitz> How would I pass data between threads then? Suppose I have an input thread for networking and an output thread.
16:03 < skarlitz> (I did solve the issue with networking, by the way. My code was completely correct, except for that I had forgotten to prefix string lengths.) 
17:54 < Griffin829> hello
17:54 < Thinkofdeath> Hey
17:54 < Griffin829>  anyone know how i can extract the Packet 0x0C(Player join) i have my owne proxy but i need the playername nad the playername is in the Packet JoinGame
17:54 < Thinkofdeath> 0x0C is spawn player
17:55 < Griffin829> yes i know but the packet contains the playername+
17:55 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: does your proxy already parse the protocol?
17:58 < Griffin829> no its a simple java proxy
17:58 <+sadimusi> it does nothing at all?
18:00  * dx forks socat and calls it mc5p
18:00 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: if you want to extract any packet after encryption is enabled you have to at least reencrypt everything
18:00 <+sadimusi> dx: socat?
18:00 < Griffin829> oh
18:01 < dx> sadimusi: http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/
18:01 < dx> like netcat on steroids
18:01 < dx> useful for ad-hoc proxies
18:01 <+sadimusi> dx: looks nice
18:02 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: the username might be sent in a packet before encryption is enabled
18:02 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: what is your usage scenario anyway?
18:03 < dx> actually "mc2p" might be a better name. removing the "parsing" from "minecraft protocol parsing proxy"
18:03 <+sadimusi> remove the "minecraft" and "protocol" as well and you get 1p :D
18:03 < dx> :D
18:04 < Griffin829> what a packet sadimusi i have looked at wiki.vg
18:04 <+sadimusi> this one http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Login_Start
18:04 < Griffin829> facepalm
18:05 < Griffin829> and how i can read thr contains of the packet?
18:05 < jj2baile> What is the meaning of proxy in this context? What is the purpose of a "minecraft proxy"?
18:06 < Griffin829> we have more root servers
18:06 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: you just make your proxy parse packet after packet until it encounters the correct id in the right context
18:06 < Thinkofdeath> jj2baile: I guessing something like bungeecord
18:06 < Griffin829> and the proxy spliitting the users
18:06 < skarlitz> So, sorry I left. Again, my question still remains, how do you pass data between threads? (Such as passing the data of a received packet from a network input thread to a processing thread?
18:06 <+sadimusi> that sounds like you should be using bungeecord
18:06 <+sadimusi> skarlitz: some kind of queue
18:07 < skarlitz> sadimusi: Please explain
18:07 < Griffin829> Domain->Proxy->First Root->Our Proxy->BungeeCord->Servers
18:07 <+sadimusi> that sounds like too many proxies
18:07 <+sadimusi> may I ask which network you belong to?
18:09 <+sadimusi> I'm still not entirely sure what your proxy should do in the end. split up players based on username?
18:09 < skarlitz> I don't understand how you could actually pass data around without making the fields static. 
18:09 < Griffin829> no but i need the username for a hashmap
18:10 < Griffin829> to get the socket by a username
18:10 < Griffin829> or a username by socket
18:10 < Griffin829> to log when a operator joins to check permissions bans the ip etc..
18:11 < Thinkofdeath> You'll need more than the username for that
18:11 < Thinkofdeath> Usernames can be faked, you will need to go through the auth process to check it
18:12 < Griffin829> or i save the username and check if the packet join game has been sendet
18:12 <+sadimusi> Thinkofdeath: the real server will check that
18:12 <+sadimusi> Griffin829: why don't you just make this a plugin for the server itself?
18:12 < Griffin829> so i can check it's npt a fake and i can get the username
18:12 < dx> actually, aren't we forced to do auth at the first proxy now?
18:13 < dx> auth and encryption
18:13 < Griffin829> bungeecord need a lot of cpu usage
18:13 <+sadimusi> dx: not if you don't need to decrypt traffic
18:13 < Thinkofdeath> sadimusi: He said about checking permissions, I assumed he was going to more with it
18:13 < Griffin829> because our hoster has a **** start script
18:13 <+sadimusi> you have multiple servers behind bungee but can't change your start script?
18:14 < skarlitz> Talk to your hoster?
18:15 < dx> you're coding your own proxy while still using managed minecraft hosting?
18:15 < dx> pretty weird situation
18:16 <+sadimusi> I still have no idea what you really want to do, but the best solution is probably to fork bungee and put it in there
18:16 < dx> or bungee plugins
18:16 <+sadimusi> didn't know those existed
18:17 <+sadimusi> but sure, a plugin should be enough
18:17 <+sadimusi> I really can't think of a scenario where you would need more than one proxy
18:17 < dx> never bothered to check what the api provides, but they seem to be a lot like bukkit plugins
18:22 < Griffin829> i'm back
18:22 < dx> WELCOME
18:25 < skarlitz> dx: How else would I pass data from a network input thread to a processing thread? I don't think there'd be any other way. Queues were suggested but I'm not sure how one would do it. 
18:25 < skarlitz> Wouldn't you need to make them static?
18:27 < TkTech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queue_(abstract_data_type)
18:27 < TkTech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_exclusion
18:28 < TkTech> http://people.cs.pitt.edu/~jacklange/teaching/cs2510-f12/papers/implementing_lock_free.pdf
18:28 < dx> :D
18:28 < skarlitz> TkTech: Thank you.
18:29 < dx> skarlitz: i don't really know about java threading apis (or much about java in general), but i meant it's better to avoid threads completely
18:29 < dx> unless they are already part of your program design, in that case, go ahead and have fun.
18:29 < skarlitz> dx: They're necessary for networking. It'll block up the rest of the program because it's so busy processing network packets. 
18:30 < skarlitz> From my understanding, at least. If somebody is willing to correct me, go ahead. 
18:30 < dx> skarlitz: that's why nonblocking sockets / async networking was invented. but that's a different way of designing stuff, i'm not going to force you to rewrite it all
18:31 < skarlitz> There is Netty.io, but I prefer to stay away from any libraries other than the one included with Java itself. 
18:32 < dx> java has java.nio.*
18:32 < dx> ...and that's all i know
18:33 < skarlitz> I haven't looked into NIO. And thanks though. :) 
18:35 < jj2baile> Do most people doing mc development use java?
18:35 < dx> overall? probably yes. in this channel? probably not.
18:35 < jj2baile> Oh, what causes this channel to deviate?
18:36 <+clonejo> other languages are nicer? o_O
18:36 < shoghicp> me
18:36 < skarlitz> Generally, a lot of MC development is centered around the modification of the client or the server, though others making projects from scratch either choose Java because it's cross platform, like MC, or they choose other languages because they're typically a lot better than Java. 
18:37 < dx> we redirect people who are dealing with bukkit / mcp to other channels
18:37 < skarlitz> Python's pretty popular. 
18:37 < dx> and keep all the nice languages for ourselves
18:37 <+clonejo> :3
18:38 < TkTech> Python's popularity with Minecraft probably stems from all of the original RE work being done by Python devs.
18:39 < jj2baile> Seems fair.
18:39 < skarlitz> RE? 
18:39 < shoghicp> reverse engineering
18:39 < skarlitz> Ah. 
18:40 < dx> TkTech: but tbh the real reason is that python is the best language ever and it's completely flawless
18:40  * dx is not a fanboy
18:40 < jj2baile> =P
18:40 < skarlitz> Well there's also Python is friendlier than Java and provides a lot of the same benefits such as widespread use and being cross platform .
18:40 < TkTech> ylt, Aera, and myself are all python devs and we started the wiki. Before that a lot of the classic work was also done in Python (but classic is much simpler)
18:40 < TkTech> So all the psuedo-code, libraries and other snippets were always python
18:42 < jj2baile> How'd you go about reversing the protocol? Just a lot of data inspection?
18:42 < shoghicp> and other things...
18:42 < skarlitz> "Other things".
18:43 < shoghicp> developing tools to ease the reverse engineering
18:43 < shoghicp> looking up code
18:43 < skarlitz> Yeh.
18:43 < shoghicp> in my case... looking up ARM assembly xD
18:43 < jj2baile> Looking up what kind of code? And what variety of tools found themselves useful?
18:43 < jj2baile> Oh. I see :p
18:43 < skarlitz> I think thinkofdeath has a tool for reverse engineering built in C. 
18:44 < skarlitz> Might've been someone else though. And MCP provides source code for the Minecraft client/server, so it's an invaluable resource for RE guys who're trying to document the protocol. 
18:44 < shoghicp> p.wiki.vg is the result of my experience in ARM xD
18:45 < shoghicp> skarlitz: yeah, that really helps
18:45 < dx> shoghicp: so you've dealt directly with ARM asm and then implemented it in php. how.. constrasting.
18:45 < dx> *contrasting
18:45 < shoghicp> my PHP is not normal php
18:45 < skarlitz> What differentiates?
18:45 < shoghicp> I've to release specific builds because the normal ones... crashes
18:46 < skarlitz> Ah.
18:46 < shoghicp> also, multiple threads
18:47 < shoghicp> and heavy usage of "ticks"
18:47 < skarlitz> jj2baile: If you didn't know: http://mcp.ocean-labs.de/page.php?4
18:48 < skarlitz> Unfortunately the MCP guys don't have a kit for 1.7.2 that I know of yet, but I'm pretty sure the Bukkit devs have one. 
18:50 < jj2baile> ah I see, decompiled minecraft source.
18:50 < jj2baile> That certainly seems valueable
18:50 < dx> there's https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev (not related to this channel at all)
18:50 < dx> but they only give names to classes
18:50 < jj2baile> Wait i might've played with mcp a few years back, come to think of it
18:51 <+sadimusi> jj2baile: we used to have completely automated tools to extract the protocol from a minecraft jar http://b.wiki.vg/1.6.2#packets
18:51 < jj2baile> I made TNT do ridiculous things, and then i forgot about it.
18:51 <+sadimusi> jj2baile: unfortunately 1.7 broke most of them
18:51 < jj2baile> Aha. 
18:51 < skarlitz> How did it automate the task?
18:52 <+sadimusi> with python of course ;) https://github.com/mcdevs/Burger/
18:53 < skarlitz> Yeah, 1.7 killed a lot of stuff.
18:53 < jj2baile> How susceptible is java bytecode to decompilation?
18:53 < skarlitz> Extremely. 
18:54 < skarlitz> In fact, you might not even have to bother with decompilation. Some people can look at the bytecode and figure it out from there. 
18:54 < jj2baile> =P Aha. llvm ir is pretty readable but i've never looked at java bytecode
18:55 < skarlitz> MCP used a decompiler called fernflower and there's another decompiler called JD-GUI, has a nice GUI and everything. It's easy to pick apart most programs that have no protection (like obfuscation). 
18:58 < skarlitz> If you don't want your code to be nabbed, you could write in C, or anything else that compiles to a binary. 
18:59 < jj2baile> x86 assembly isn't toooo bad to read =)
19:00 < skarlitz> True enough, but most people lack the skill (or will) to pick through assembly. 
19:00 < jj2baile> but of course, it isn't trivially decompileable.
19:25 < TkTech> That's how it was done for burger. View the bytecode, find the pattern, then make sense of it.
20:23 < semendickman> hey
20:24 < semendickman> i want help im complete noob..what is a handshake? and can you give me example im making a tcp connection
20:24 < semendickman> please anybody who can help me?
20:24 < semendickman> i want help im complete noob..what is a handshake? and can you give me example im making a tcp connection
20:24 < MrARM> what programming language? 
20:24 < semendickman> python
20:25 < MrARM> sorry, I don't know python well
20:25 < semendickman> i dont know how to make a handshake ...the packet form...
20:25 < semendickman> no no just want the encoding of the string im sending
20:25 < MrARM> Did you got the socket part? 
20:25 < semendickman> now im sending to the server this "Hello World"
20:25 < semendickman> yes yes i connected to server
20:25 < semendickman> now have to make a login
20:26 < MrARM> just send (length as VarInt), 0x00, the packet spec
20:26 < semendickman> and hello world in ascii encoding
20:26 < semendickman> length as var int?
20:26 < semendickman> please i cant understand that please help
20:26 < MrARM> no, all those things are utf8
20:26 < MrARM> var int, there is a python library
20:26 < semendickman> utf 8 done thanks
20:26 < MrARM> VarInt
20:26 < semendickman> alright and what i do?
20:27 < MrARM> to send string you have to prefix it with length as VarInt
20:27 < semendickman> can you give me an example
20:27 < semendickman> i sent Hello world
20:27 < MrARM> eg.
20:27 < semendickman> server returned me this ''b
20:27 < semendickman> received data: b''
20:27 < MrARM> "Hello world".length = 11
20:28 < MrARM> sendVarInt (11)
20:28 < semendickman> yes
20:28 < MrARM> sendString (string)
20:28 < semendickman> please help i dont understand
20:28 < MrARM> also, server isn't going to ping you back with string
20:28 < semendickman> this is what i got when i sent a "hello world"
20:28 < semendickman> received data: b''
20:29 < MrARM> server won't send you hello world back, it sends you EOF
20:29 < MrARM> (end of stream)
20:29 < nickelpro> Check the client list on wiki.vg, Spock has a working handshake implementation
20:31 < MrARM> anyway, I haven't worked on my client recently
20:31 < MrARM> I have gotten the most to work, so I should publish it in the nearest time
20:32 < noobdev> mrarms
20:32 < MrARM> yes
20:32 < noobdev> im sorry i have been disconnected
20:32 < noobdev> can you repeat please
20:32 < MrARM> server won't send you Hello world it will send you Eof
20:32 < noobdev> MrArms im semen dickman please can you repeat?
20:33 < MrARM> (end of stream)
20:33 < noobdev> what you mean?
20:33 < dx> ._.
20:33 < MrARM> that it just closes connection
20:33 < noobdev> im sending this
20:33 < noobdev> s.send(bytes(MESSAGE, encoding='utf-8'))
20:33 < noobdev> s.send(bytes(MESSAGE, encoding='utf-8'))
20:33 < noobdev> what should i put inside message to make a login?
20:33 < MrARM> nope, it isn't correct way to send string
20:34 < noobdev> please tell me
20:34 < MrARM> you make for 1.7.3?
20:34 < noobdev> no 1.7.2
20:34 < MrARM> the same, as Donner bone said
20:34 < noobdev> donner bone?
20:34 < dx> we need like a standard copy-pastable message saying a polite version of "you aren't going to get too far"
20:34 < noobdev> whats that?
20:34 < noobdev> "Hello, World!"
20:34 < noobdev> ????
20:35 < MrARM> *Dinnerbone
20:35 < shoghicp> you pinged him!
20:35 < MrARM> my keyboard auto corrects it
20:35 < MrARM> no...
20:35 < noobdev> oaky dinnerbone..whats that?
20:35 < noobdev> okay okay
20:35 < noobdev> can you help me?
20:35  * dx calls the ping police
20:35 < MrARM> if you do * it shouldn't
20:35 < noobdev> the fuck you guys troll?
20:35 < shoghicp> if you do *shoghicp it still pings me xD
20:36 < noobdev> CAN ANYONE FUCKING HELP ME PLEASE
20:36 < MrARM> I haven't heard about a client which does check for contains
20:36 < dx> noobdev: dinner-bone is one of the minecraft developers. he is in this channel and we have rules saying that we must not mention his name.
20:37 < shoghicp> noobdev: also, be polite
20:37 < MrARM> noobdev so to send a packet you need it's length
20:37 < MrARM> there are different ideas to do it
20:38 < dx> MrARM: protip: don't waste your time
20:38 < MrARM> heh
20:38 < noobdev> heyy
20:38 < noobdev> MrArm
20:39 < dx> conveniently unstable connection
20:39 < noobdev> MRARM YOU THERE?
20:39 < noobdev> dx
20:39 < noobdev> anybody who can help me?
20:39 < MrARM> noobdev there are different ideas to send packet length
20:39 < noobdev> okay im sending like this
20:39 < MrARM> as it has to be the first send data
20:39 < noobdev> s.send(bytes("MESSAGE", encoding='utf-8'))
20:39 < Thinkofdeath> noobdev: Don't jump into Minecraft networking without knowing the basics
20:39 < noobdev> what should i replace with message
20:39 < dav1d> \x00
20:40 < noobdev> okay thinkofdeath
20:40 < noobdev> x00?
20:40 < MrARM> When I first started writing my client I didn't know what's wrong
20:40 < dav1d> no
20:40 < dav1d> \x00
20:40 < zh32> noobdev, this is how you send a handshake in python https://gist.github.com/barneygale/1209061#file-gistfile1-py-L28
20:40 < noobdev> okay let me try
20:40 < noobdev> thanks
20:40 < zh32> (+ status request)
20:40 < noobdev> thanks zh and everybody
20:41 < dav1d> man my trolls are too good
20:41 < MrARM> I was just sending short instead of VarInt as string
20:41 < MrARM> heh
20:42 < noobdev> can you help me with this one ..i think its for handshake .i cant understand tried googling but doesnt work
20:42 < noobdev> s.send(pack_data("\x00\x00" + pack_data(host.encode('utf8')) + pack_port(port) + "\x01"))
20:44 < noobdev> whats a JSON :D
20:46 < shoghicp> http://www.json.org/
20:46  * MrARM says: HEEELP! NOOB... DEV!
20:47 < MrARM> I don't see json in it
20:47 < shoghicp> sadimusi: ^
20:47 < shoghicp> the join
20:47 < MrARM> semen there is /nick
20:49 < semendickman> yes?
20:49 < semendickman> there is?
20:49 < Flemmard> and then there's /dick
20:49 < MrARM> semen I think you are new to IRC, but nvm
20:49 < MrARM> lol
20:50 < shoghicp> MrARM: range of noobdev 117.206.x.x, and he already changed IPs
20:50 < shoghicp> see?
20:51 < MrARM> nope
20:51 < shoghicp> he just wants to waste our time
20:51 < shoghicp> MrARM: he joins, the last one leaves
20:51 < MrARM> my client doesn't show it
20:51 < shoghicp> so, it os another ip in the same range
20:51 < Flemmard> i must admin there's creativity
20:51 < Flemmard> admit
20:51 < Flemmard> lol
20:51 < MrARM> shoghicp I think he's going to make a client without any knowledge
20:51 < shoghicp> besides that
20:52 < shoghicp> he is just trolling right now
20:52 < MrARM> Flemmard he just restart 3g probably
20:52 < shoghicp> yep
20:52 < MrARM> or goes through the city and gets free hot spots
20:52 < shoghicp> only if they have the same provider
20:52 < shoghicp> so 3g is likely
20:52 < MrARM> and as soon he goes thought range of one, it changes to other
20:53 < MrARM> but it takes time to restart 3g
20:53 < MrARM> (I use 3g all the time)
20:53 < noobdev> hello
20:53 < Flemmard> some isp's still doesnt have fix ips
20:53 < Flemmard> static
20:53 < noobdev> zh32
20:53 < Calinou> dynamic IPs are cheaper?
20:53 < noobdev> zh32
20:53 < noobdev> zh32
20:54 < MrARM> I know! He has two devices! 
20:54 < Flemmard> dunno
20:54 < shoghicp> The IP has changed each time he connected
20:54 < noobdev> who me?
20:54 < Flemmard> but anyway
20:54 < Flemmard> who cares?
20:54 < noobdev> i do
20:54 < noobdev> i care nigga
20:54 < MrARM> he disables 3g on one, starts on second, so he has smooth with disconnecting
20:54 < shoghicp> MrARM: so, you are doing a MC client for... phones?
20:55 < MrARM> likely
20:55 < MrARM> written in Java
20:55 < shoghicp> hmm, time to release the MC plugin for PocketMine xD
20:55 < noobdev> ARE YOU GUYS OFFICIAL?
20:55 < MrARM> shoghicp but it's going to be Java
20:56 < MrARM> mcpemodder..?
20:56 < shoghicp> mcpemodder: I saw you in #pocketmine :)
20:56 < mcpemodder> yes
20:57 < MrARM> shoghicp do you write in notepad or an IDE?
20:57 < shoghicp> Notepad++
20:57 < shoghicp> or Geany
20:57 < noobdev> zh32
20:57 < noobdev> 3
20:57 < noobdev> aef
20:57 < noobdev> eas
20:57 < noobdev> fg
20:57 < noobdev> wg
20:57 < noobdev> wr
20:57 < noobdev> g
20:57 < noobdev> werg
20:57 < noobdev> werg
20:57 < noobdev> ok;k;
20:57 < MrARM> Geany?
20:57 < noobdev> kohukoyi
20:57 < noobdev> ryrfyj
20:57 < noobdev> rty
20:57 < noobdev> jf
20:57 < noobdev> f
20:57 < shoghicp> somebody kick him and ban his range
20:57 < MrARM> BAN NOOBDEV!!!
20:57 < noobdev> ohh sorry
20:57 < shoghicp> from this moment, he is ignored by me xD
20:57 < noobdev> i thought i was dced
20:58 < MrARM> mcpemodder you know who bow
20:58 < noobdev> come one dont be like that i thought im dced
20:58 < MrARM> now
20:58 < MrARM> noobdev there is no excuse for spamming
20:58 < shoghicp> hint: /IGNORE *!*@*117.206.*
20:58 < noobdev> dude i have hotspot?
20:58 < noobdev> so i can come here again
20:58 < MrARM> LOL
20:59 < noobdev> trying to be smartass shoghicp?
20:59 < mcpemodder> yeah, just...lol
21:00 < MrARM> shoghicp I think that's only for PMs thought
21:00 < MrARM> noobdev You meant hotspots?
21:00 < shoghicp> MrARM: no, I didn't see anything from the "f"
21:00 < noobdev> no no
21:00 < noobdev> hotspotshield
21:00 < noobdev> heyy MrArm
21:00 < MrARM> hotspotshield?
21:01 < noobdev> yes thats what it is
21:01 < shoghicp> ?
21:01 < MrARM> or hotspotshields?
21:01 < noobdev> i dont even know sir
21:02 < MrARM> looks like he has only one device. ..
21:02 < noobdev> ya okay one device
21:02 < MrARM> heh
21:02 < noobdev> can anyone help me?
21:02 < noobdev> im just asking nice why you people ignore me
21:02 < MrARM> NO
21:03 < MrARM> you got a help
21:03 < noobdev> where?
21:04 <+pdelvo> my advice: Get a book and learn how to code. And maybe a book about good manners
21:06 < MrARM> eggy you noobdev?
21:06 < shoghicp> no he isn't xD
21:06 < eggy> no, I am not :P
21:06 <+pdelvo> I hope he just does what i told him. lol
21:06 < eggy> blame shoghicp for me being here (:
21:07  * dx reads up
21:07 < dx> lol.
21:07 < zh32> pdelvo o/
21:07 <+pdelvo> o/
21:07 < MrARM> eggy are you related to noobdev?
21:08 < dx> are you noobdev's father?
21:08 < MrARM> wait
21:08 < barneygale> what is going on in this channel :/
21:08 < MrARM> here's a message 4 u"
21:08 < MrARM> If you are trying to read line the response i really doubt you will ever get it to work. .  
21:08 < shoghicp> MrARM: hint: he could delete your post on PM Forums
21:08 < MrARM> ?
21:08 < dx> barneygale: some 13 year old kid joined and... i dunno, i stopped paying attention
21:08 < shoghicp> eggy
21:09 < jj2baile> names
21:09 < eggy> I have no relation to this noobdev person.
21:09 < shoghicp> dx: we get 7-9 year old kids over #pocketmine
21:09 < mcpemodder> lol
21:09 < barneygale> minecraft development is not suitable for 7-9 year olds
21:09 < barneygale> unless they're especially bright
21:09 < dx> shoghicp: is any of them polite?
21:09 < MrARM> shoghicp who?
21:10 < shoghicp> dx: of the ones I knew the age, only one of them
21:11 < shoghicp> they get there to ask when mpce is going to be released
21:11 < shoghicp> to blame me because they don't have a big enough internet bandwidth
21:11 < shoghicp> etc.
21:11 <+pdelvo> and then you send them here? :o
21:11 < shoghicp> noo!
21:11 < MrARM> anyway Mojang ignored my bug reports
21:12 < MrARM> (for 0.8.0)
21:12 < shoghicp> MrARM: send them to me, I can test them and notify of the big ones
21:12 < mcpemodder> aha, why?
21:12 < MrARM> -there's no pick dropped item animation
21:12 < shoghicp> hmm...
21:12 < shoghicp> On vanilla MCPE?
21:13 < shoghicp> or using PocketMine-MP?
21:13 < MrARM> -after shearing sheep it's wool isn't white
21:13 < MrARM> vanilla MCPE
21:13 < shoghicp> hmm, weird
21:13 < shoghicp> I saw them
21:13 < MrARM> anyway I can't wait for block launcher update
21:14 < mcpemodder> some peoples said it is compatible already
21:14 < shoghicp> yes, it is
21:15 < mcpemodder> only beta i guess?
21:15 < shoghicp> anyway
21:15 < MrARM> what? 
21:15 < MrARM> wait...
21:15 < shoghicp> We will try so mcpe channels don't overflow to here
21:15 < MrARM> lemme see github
21:16 < MrARM> there is my #BlockLauncher and Connor's #ModPEScripts
21:16 < shoghicp> also, where are the public logs for #mcdevs?
21:16 < barneygale> Nothing wrong with discussing MCPE here, but 90% of the users are interested solely in desktop minecraft
21:16 < barneygale> shoghicp: there aren't any. Don't believe the topic :P
21:16 < shoghicp> Brandon15811_: see?
21:17 < Eviltechie> |stats
21:17 < shoghicp> !stats
21:17 < MrARM> stats
21:17 < MrARM> !help
21:18 < MrARM> |help
21:18 < shoghicp> So, #mcpedevs for mcpe dev then?
21:18 < MrARM> nope
21:19 <+sadimusi> shoghicp: I can't see the join in the backlog, can you please paste it again?
21:19 < shoghicp> all of them?
21:19 <+sadimusi> no, just the one you were referring to
21:19 <+sadimusi> you pinged me, remember?
21:20 < MrARM> shoghicp nope, no commit for 0.8.0 - no support
21:21 < shoghicp> * semendickman (75ce12c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.117.206.18.193) has joined
21:21 < shoghicp> and
21:21 < shoghicp> <noobdev> the fuck you guys troll?
21:21 < shoghicp> <noobdev> CAN ANYONE FUCKING HELP ME PLEASE
21:21 < MrARM> then he spams
21:22 <+sadimusi> looks like he's gone for now, but I'll ban him if he shows up again
21:22 < shoghicp> ok
21:22 < dx> but seriously, did anyone expect any less than that, the moment he joined as 'semendickman'?
21:23 < shoghicp> or when he changed the nick
22:36 < umby24> hot spot shield is supposed to be some anonymizer type shit, so using it switches up your IP each time
22:38 < TkTech> I looked away for 10 minutes...
22:39 < Calinou> in 10 minutes, 3 useless MC servers were created!
22:46 < TkTech> I find it very interesting that Linkedin is suggesting all of the Mojang AB employees as contacts without ever importing email addresses or mentioning minecraft.
22:46 < TkTech> Kinda creepy actually.
22:47 < TkTech> shoghicp: Do you need something specific from the logs? A particular time range or query?
23:38 < shoghicp> TkTech: no, just wondering if a public link existed like botbot.me
--- Day changed ven. déc. 13 2013
20:01 < TkTech> Anyone had a look at starbound?
20:03 < TkTech> (The protocol, that is)
20:24 < [z]> Looks ugly...
20:24 < [z]> A lot of text...
20:25 < [z]> )____.V____arguments___player__Beakspiker_handler__team.pollInvitation_id____command__request
20:26 < [z]> polling for team invitations? Really? Why not just have the server send them...
20:26 < dx> _ are non-ascii chars?
20:26 < [z]> yeah
20:30 < [z]> %.#....result..id..r.command..response0..#
20:33 < Zantoinef> Hi
20:33 < Zantoinef> I'm currently discovering the new 1
20:33 < Zantoinef> the new 1.7 protocol and I have some interrogations.
20:34 < Zantoinef> Does someone in this channel have some knowledge about the new protocol of 1.7  please ?
20:34 < Eviltechie> Check the wiki linked in the topic
20:34 < Zantoinef> Yes
20:34 < Eviltechie> There is an explanation of the protocol there
20:34 < Zantoinef> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Protocol_Version
20:34 < Zantoinef> Yes I read it
20:35 < Zantoinef> a lot of times
20:35 < Zantoinef> I just got an error that I'm not sure why it happends
20:35 < Zantoinef> This sentence : " As of 1.7 strings are now UTF-8 (prefixed with a VarInt giving the string's length in bytes) instead of UTF-16"
20:36 < Zantoinef> Does that means that if I send a packet which contains 16 caracters will it be recognized like a 18 caracters packet by netty ?
20:37 < dx> why 18?
20:37 < dx> varint = variable length int
20:37 < Zantoinef> Because I actually got a problem, I sent a 16 caracters length packet, netty say me that the packet length is too high, it recognized the packet length like 18 but it's 16 when I sent it
20:37 < dx> err wait.. do you know what UTF-8 and UTF-16 mean?
20:38 < Zantoinef> So i was asking me, does this varint is added in my string or in another field ?
20:38 < Zantoinef> Yes I know
20:38 < Zantoinef> It's caracters encoding
20:38 < dx> okay, you seemed to be asking about packets in general, not just strings
20:39 < dx> if you're starting with 1.7 you can just ignore what it says about UTF-16, that's a note for people migrating from older protocols
20:39 < Zantoinef> Yes indeed
20:39 < Zantoinef> Ok
20:39 < dx> anyway the varint is a prefix for the string
20:39 < Zantoinef> Ok
20:39 < Zantoinef> That explains why netty recognize my packet like a 18 caracters length
20:40 < Zantoinef> right ?
20:40 < dx> you read N bytes until the varint is complete, decode that varint, read that number of bytes for a string
20:40 < dx> i have no idea where you're pulling that "18" from
20:41 < Zantoinef> When I connect and my packet is sended, netty triggers an IOException which is
20:41 < Zantoinef> The received string length is longer than maximum allowed (18 > 16)
20:41 < dx> wot
20:42 < dx> well huh. i guess it would be helpful to know what the hell netty is doing behind the scenes!
20:42 < Zantoinef> yes indeed
20:43 < Zantoinef> as minecraft is obfuscated, I was hoping that someone know why it says me that there are 18 caracters although there are just 16.
20:43 < Zantoinef> When you say :
20:43 < Zantoinef> you read N bytes until the varint is complete, decode that varint, read that number of bytes for a string
20:44 < Zantoinef> i have no idea where you're pulling that "18" from
20:44 < Zantoinef> The varint is concatened in the string ?
20:44 < Drainedsoul> what are you sending
20:45 < Drainedsoul> give us raw bytes
20:45 < dx> he's reading
20:45 < Zantoinef> I'm sending an scoreboard score
20:45 < dx> ..uhm
20:45 < Zantoinef> I check the score name and the length is 16
20:45 < dx> so this is inside minecraft?
20:45 < dx> should have asked that before lol
20:46 < Zantoinef> Yes it's inside minecraft
20:46 < Zantoinef> Isn't it the minecraft channel ?
20:46 < dx> all this time i was just assuming you were implementing your own protocol lib using netty
20:46 < dx> i'm dumb
20:46 < Zantoinef> No sorry it's my fault
20:48 < Zantoinef> @DrainedSoul, I'm not sure how I recover the raw bytes, you need the result of message.getBytes() ?
20:50 < dx> actually... isn't 16 the max player name length?
20:50 < dx> and the scoreboard is supposed to have player names.
20:50 < Zantoinef> Yes
20:50 < Zantoinef> BUT
20:50 < Zantoinef> I'm not showing playername, I'm using the SB as a GUI
20:51 < Zantoinef> Before the 1.7, it works without problem and now it don't work anymore
20:51 < dx> well try limiting your fake player names to 16 characters then
20:51 < dx> are you using colors?
20:51 < Zantoinef> That's what I'm making
20:52 < Zantoinef> yes but i test when I send it my string is 16 caracters length
20:52 < Zantoinef> I just really think that the problem is the varint concatened at the beginning of the string
20:52 < Zantoinef> that's why there are always 2 more characters
20:52 < dx> nah the varint isn't included in the string length
20:53 < dx> ...and either way that varint should be one byte long
20:53 < Zantoinef> ok
20:55 < Zantoinef> quoted from wiki "prefixed with a VarInt giving the string's length in bytes"
20:56 < Zantoinef> I really think that it's the string which is preceded by this VarInt
20:56 < dx> the varint *gives* the string length
20:57 < Zantoinef> Yes, i know that
20:57 < Zantoinef> And I think that the varint is concatened with this tring
20:58 < Zantoinef> It seems to correspond to the packet format : http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Packet_format
20:58 < dx> yes, it's concatenated before the string
20:58 < dx> that doesn't make it part of the string
20:58 < dx> it's just a prefix
20:58 < dx> welp
20:59 < dx> guessing isn't very productive but i bet you're doing something like "§k0123456789abcdef"
20:59 < dx> 16 chars with a color code in front of it
20:59 < Zantoinef> Now i can assure you
20:59 < Zantoinef> Everytime i check server.length
20:59 < Zantoinef> (because I send servername)
21:00 < Zantoinef> Anyway
21:00 < Zantoinef> I'm sure that the VarInt which breaks everything
21:00 < dx> you're looking in the wrong place
21:00 < Zantoinef> And it's really annoying because it's reducing of 2 caracters the max name length
21:00 < Zantoinef> Do u know where to look ?
21:00 < Zantoinef> I've tested and tested my code
21:01 < Zantoinef> so know, I'm going to sniff the packets
21:01 < Zantoinef> I will check the string, see the contents and see if it confirmes my opinion
21:01 < dx> http://wiki.vg/Debugging
21:01 < dx> have fun
21:02 < Zantoinef> Oh :D
21:02 < dx> (you can't sniff with stuff like wireshark due to protocol encryption)
21:02 < Zantoinef> Ok
21:02 < Zantoinef> Thanks you very much I didn't see this page, I'm gonna try to use this
21:02 < Zantoinef> Else I will use ProtocolLib
21:03 < Zantoinef> In any case, thanks you very much for your help
21:03 < dx> mbaxter: HEY CAN I ADVERTISE PAKKIT HERE?
21:04 < Zantoinef> What's pakkit ?
21:04 < dx> a bukkit packet inspector mbaxter wrote, but not sure if it's """production ready"""
21:07 < Zantoinef> Do u have a link please ?
21:09 < dx> gotta confirm with mbaxter if it's usable
21:49 < Zantoinef> Even if there are some bugs can you send me the link plz ? Unless if it's not already public released (if I didn't authorize to use it)
21:54 < Zantoinef> Are u still here ?
22:40 < mathuin> dx: you can sniff with wireshark if you set the server to offline mode.  It was very helpful.
22:42 <+md_5> would be more helpful iuf there was an updated dissector
22:42 < jj2baile> Does wireshark allow for plugins or something?
22:42 < humerusj> lua <3
22:43 < jj2baile> Oh hey, that's what he said
22:43 < mathuin> wireshark does allow for plugins called dissectors.
22:43 < jj2baile> I havent even thought the name "lua" in several years...
22:43 < humerusj> I think you can use perl to crunch it too
22:43 < mathuin> I ended up recording packets between a vanilla client and a vanilla server and saving as a pcap file, then importing that pcap file through the parser I was working on.
22:43 < jj2baile> so in theory one could make a dissector to do the decryption. seems like maybe a pain though
22:44 < humerusj> Haven't gone that route though
22:44 < mathuin> My code was written in Python.
22:44 < jj2baile> Perl makes me sad.
22:44 < mathuin> Last time I worked with lua I was hacking on WoW mods. :-P
22:44 < jj2baile> I've never actually used lua, I considered it briefly with respect to garry's mod though.
22:44 < humerusj> Yeah, for mcpe I made a proxy in Python and dissected it 
--- Day changed sam. déc. 14 2013
11:47 < shnce> I have a question about the protocol, is anybody here to help?
11:47 <+SirCmpwn> do not ask to ask, simply ask and wait patiently
11:48 < shnce> Is the public key still sent in the asn format?
11:54 < shnce> The protocol wiki is a bit confusing now because there is outdated information there
11:55 <+SirCmpwn> I haven't dealt with encryption on the new version yet, since I've only been testing over localhost
11:55 <+SirCmpwn> but I plan to try it with asn keys, it'll probably work
11:55 < shnce> I can't actually find the word ASN there in the protocol descriptions
11:56 <+SirCmpwn> try it
11:56 <+SirCmpwn> improve the docs if you learn something new
11:56 < shnce> I have to learn about how ASN works first :)
11:57 < Thinkofdeath> The encryption part of the protocol didn't really change with the 1.7 update
11:59 < dx> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption mentions that
11:59 < dx> hmmm... http://wiki.vg/Special:WhatLinksHere/Protocol_Encryption
11:59 < dx> sounds like it's everywhere except the main protocol description page
11:59 < shnce> It's not here either http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ
12:00 < shnce> And the main page and the faq were the two places I looked
12:00 < dx> it is, >1) Do Handshake (See Protocol Encryption)
12:00 < shnce> I meant that the word asn isn't there
12:01 < Thinkofdeath> "when packed into a Encryption Request packet, is in ASN.1 format as defined by x.509. Th..."
12:01 < dx> yeah, only the protocol encryption page goes to that much detail
12:01 < shnce> What page is that from, Thinkofdeath?
12:01 < Thinkofdeath> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
12:01 < shnce> Ah
12:01 < shnce> I've been looking at the FAQ
12:02 < shnce> Thank you
12:04 < shnce> So now I have to write an ASN function :S
12:05 < dx> :D http://wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=5256&oldid=5255
20:28 < mbaxter> dx: Pakkit works. Remarkably spammy in many situations.
--- Day changed dim. déc. 15 2013
11:38 < groovyben008> Hello?
11:39 < Thinkofdeath> Hey
11:40 < groovyben008> How do I read a VarInt from an input stream?
11:40 < MrARM> Java?
11:40 < groovyben008> yeah
11:41 < MrARM> look on internet, in Google
11:41 < MrARM> I found it here
11:41 < Thinkofdeath> https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/e975ddee04e9c87faf22
11:41 < groovyben008> Thanks
11:43 < MrARM|Away> that's from mine craft source? 
11:43 < groovyben008> What does readByte refrence to in the gist?
11:44 < groovyben008> dw
11:44 < Thinkofdeath> MrARM|Away: yes
11:46 < groovyben008> Is readByte() just inputStream.read();
11:47 <+SirCmpwn> it supposedly reads an octet
11:48 <+SirCmpwn> I dunno the java speak, but read octets until you read one whose high bit is reset, then discard the high bits of each octet, shift them appropriately, and OR them together into the final number
11:48 <+SirCmpwn> up to 60 bits or something
11:48 <+SirCmpwn> i.e. 4 octets
12:01 < groovyben008> Thanks, I got it
21:15 < barneygale> How does world autosaving work? A timer that writes all dirty chunks to disk?
21:20 <+pdelvo> I think so
21:23 < Thinkofdeath> barneygale: https://github.com/SpigotMC/mc-dev/blob/master/net/minecraft/server/WorldServer.java#L559 and https://github.com/SpigotMC/mc-dev/blob/master/net/minecraft/server/ChunkProviderServer.java#L159
--- Day changed lun. déc. 16 2013
09:16 < Grum> md_5: i'll just poke you here if i need you; seriously starting own irc networks and having bridges to others is .... sigh
09:17 <+md_5> Grum btw bungee forwards IPs (and I need to add UUID forwarding), but it will be ok
09:17 < SinZ> did I miss something?
09:17 < Grum> yes
09:17 <+md_5> grum left my channel :(
09:17 <+md_5> Im very sad now
09:17 <+md_5> heartbroken even
09:17 < Grum> i know rite :(
09:18 <+md_5> we have our reasons for leaving espernet
09:18 < Grum> md_5: who's bright idea was it to do this horrible thing?
09:18 < Grum> espernet sucks, but doing it yourself will suck even worse
09:18 <+md_5> which horrible thing?
09:18 <+md_5> I disagree
09:19 <+md_5> why is doing it yourself gonna suck even worse?
09:19 < Grum> because it is two lines rather than 1 in your channel-list
09:20 <+md_5> you already have at least what - 4 lines?
09:20 < Grum> in either case, there will be some issues with the skins, you are going to have to track who is where and resend the skin-payload to the right people
09:20 <+md_5> its no different from moving to another network, just this one happens to be under our domain. espernet has f*** us over on repeated occasions
09:21 < Grum> how? :/
09:21 < Grum> espernet is stupid but .. well .. it mostly just splits ;)
09:22 <+md_5> splits, spam, chan modes, the staff are twats, broken charter/rules
09:23 < Grum> occasionally, barely, quite normal, probably, probably
09:24 <+md_5> missed the spam we had
09:24 <+md_5> that was a pain to deal with on our end :|
09:24 <+md_5> Having owner/admin/halfop channel ranks is great, as is having modes to deal with stuff such as blocking /notice #channel
09:25 < Grum> isn't that the default +n ?
09:25 < Grum> 'no outside shit' ?
09:25 <+AndrewPH> he means people who are in the channel 
09:26 <+AndrewPH> (well, probably)
09:26 < Grum> insta banning works well
09:26 <+AndrewPH> or insta +qing
09:26 <+AndrewPH> since that's quiet on esper
09:26 <+md_5> also I turned colors off
09:26 <+md_5> * Channel #spigot modes: +CHJPTdfnt 10:60 15 2 5:3
09:27 <+SirCmpwn> aka +c here on freenode
09:27 <+md_5> Block channel CTCP, show 10 lines of history from last 60 seconds, no kickrejoin for 15 seconds, permanent channel, no channel notice, cant speak until 2 seconds have elapsed, 5 messages in 3 seconds max, no external messages, topic lock
09:28 <+md_5> the whole ban authors+dates not being wiped on netsplit is also a plus
09:28 <+md_5> we rely heavily on dates for unbans
09:28 < Grum> or just permanently ban or not
09:28 <+SirCmpwn> I just have bots handle it for me
09:28 < Grum> yeah
09:28 < Grum> like normal people hehehe
09:28 <+SirCmpwn> don't even have to check later, just have the bot unban it when it's time
09:29 < Grum> i mean this is again 90's stuff
09:29 < Grum> when people wrote tcl for eggdrops
09:29 <+SirCmpwn> well, setting up an ircd is still as annoying as ever
09:29 < Flemmard> hated eggdrops :>
09:29 < Flemmard> liked perl bots !
09:29 < Flemmard> homemade XD
09:29 <+md_5> plus we get a whole lot more flexibility with what we do later on, such as pseudo server bridge bots for Minecraft servers
09:30 <+SirCmpwn> hmm
09:30 <+SirCmpwn> I never thought of setting up an ircd for minecraft<->irc chat
09:30 <+SirCmpwn> I've always just done a relay bot
09:30 < Grum> like normal people hehehe
09:30 <+SirCmpwn> that's a neat idea
09:31 <+md_5> SirCmpwn I have plans, but the idea is to use  &server as a channel for it (instead of #) and then begin MInecraft player names with . to avoid nick collisions, and expose this via a custom protocol (so that we dont get security issues with people trying to link)
09:32 <+SirCmpwn> you know, if you're going that far
09:32 <+SirCmpwn> just make your minecraft server an ircd
09:32 <+SirCmpwn> and integrate it all directly
09:32 <+md_5> Ive got a few of the large(st) servers interested
09:32 <+md_5> SirCmpwn read what I said
09:32 <+md_5> (so that we dont get security issues with people trying to link)
09:32 <+SirCmpwn> can you explain that more
09:32 <+SirCmpwn> I don't understand
09:32 <+md_5> Hey, lets let everyone link their ircd to our network
09:33 <+SirCmpwn> well I assumed you would just block that shit
09:33 <+SirCmpwn> why do you need a custom protocol
09:33 <+SirCmpwn> that's silly
09:33 < NickG365> That's why EFNet exists.
09:33 <+md_5> NickG365 I hear they don't like Eris linking
09:33 < NickG365> Something like that :P
09:34 <+md_5> FYI
09:34 <+md_5> the whole "why start a new network arguiment"
09:34 <+md_5> if people kept using that, we would all be on EFNet
09:35 <+SirCmpwn> which wouldn't be so bad, you know
09:35 <+SirCmpwn> with none of this chanserv business, IRC would be more fun
09:35 <+SirCmpwn> but nooooo, people want their channels to be stable and managable
09:37 <+md_5> SirCmpwn what, and pray to the chanfix gods?
09:37 <+SirCmpwn> nah, just don't write crappy bots
09:37 <+md_5> SirCmpwn I was pretty happy with this, I think its correct
09:37 <+md_5> http://files.md-5.net/s/Zi6B.png
09:37 <+SirCmpwn> do you want to see my IRC message decoder
09:38 <+md_5> it [should] follow the BNF provided in the RFC
09:38 <+md_5> inb4brainfuck
09:38 <+SirCmpwn> https://github.com/SirCmpwn/ChatSharp/blob/master/ChatSharp/IrcMessage.cs
09:38 <+SirCmpwn> haha, the brainfuck one doesn't "decode"
09:39 <+SirCmpwn> the problem with IRC is that none of the ircds agree on how it should be done
09:39 <+md_5> yeah your logic is pretty similar to mine SirCmpwn 
09:39 <+md_5> although yours isnt very optimizewd
09:39 <+md_5> repreatedly calling indexOf
09:39 <+md_5> :p
09:39 <+SirCmpwn> yeah, yeah, yeah
09:39 <+md_5> + .contains()
09:40 <+SirCmpwn> inconsequential
09:40 <+SirCmpwn> performance is not the biggest problem with my irc lib
09:41 <+SirCmpwn> the biggest problem is that I tried to be clever and overengineered it to the point of massive instability
09:42 <+md_5> irc is a clusterfuck
09:42 <+SirCmpwn> I love it all the same, it's an endearing protocol
09:42 <+md_5> the mesh protocol was a bit nicer
09:43 <+md_5> http://wiki.inspircd.org/Mesh_Protocol_%28Pre_beta6%29
09:44 <+SirCmpwn> after writing a four IRC implementations and a dozen bots, though, I've learned my lesson
09:44 <+SirCmpwn> now I just use other people's IRC libs :P
09:44 <+md_5> exactly what I was gonna say
09:44 <+md_5> I just started work on my java pseudo server to link to Inspircd
17:23 <+clonejo>   much joins
20:53 < williamtdr> md_5: ping (time-sensitive information required, not trying to be a pest)
22:59 <+md_5> <williamtdr> md_5: ping (time-sensitive information required, not trying to be a pest)
22:59 <+md_5> > then leaves
23:01 < iBotPeaches> :o
23:01 < shoghicp> I can ask him to come here
23:02 < williamtdr> md_5: Hello.
23:02 <+md_5> hi
23:02 < williamtdr> md_5: I happen to have a problem that requires an extraordinary amount of resources for a short time on a desktop server.
23:02 < williamtdr> But it is not mutlithreaded.
23:03 < shoghicp> <-- blame me for that
23:03 < williamtdr> So, my question would be, how can I maximise CPU utilization to accomplish the task quicker?
23:03 < williamtdr> shoghicp: No, PC, not PE.
23:03 < shoghicp> oh
23:04 <+md_5> add threads
23:04 < williamtdr> md_5: is there a config option for this in spigot?
23:05 < williamtdr> Or doesn't it require modifiying the source?
23:30 <+md_5> wat
23:30 <+md_5> how about you start about what you are trying to do
23:36 < williamtdr> didn't know about the JDK, thanks :D
23:36 < williamtdr> I'm a Java noob. PHP FTW.
23:36 < williamtdr> I will live in my ignorance.
23:47  * SirCmpwn contains his laughter
23:47 <+SirCmpwn> oh, sorry, this isn't a channel I should be mean in
23:49 < jj2baile> but what is Java, really?
23:49 < jj2baile> An allegory of the human condition perhaps~
23:49 < Dhruv0> I am a PHP noob
23:49 < Dhruv0> C# FTW
23:49 < Dhruv0> xD
23:51 < williamtdr> I did a Java tutorial once.
23:51 < williamtdr> It made no sens.e
23:51 < williamtdr> Back to PHP.
23:52 < KnownUnown> williamtdr: PHP ftw!
23:52  * KnownUnown high fives williamtdr
23:52  * jj2baile shifts eyes
23:52 < shoghicp> noo, #mcpedevs is leaking!
23:53 < KnownUnown> heh
23:53 < KnownUnown> shogchipz: Can I haz buy a bag of you?
23:53 < shogchipz> KnownUnown: talk to shoghicp.
23:55 < KnownUnown> geturshogchips: can I haz buy a bag?
23:55 < geturshogchips> KnownUnown: $9000.01.
23:56 < KnownUnown> err
23:56 < KnownUnown> here you go
23:56 < SinZ> shoghicp: it leaked quite badly it appears <3
23:56  * KnownUnown gives geturshogchips a bag of golden shogchips
23:56 < KnownUnown> yus, it haz
23:56 <+SirCmpwn> Dhruv0: you use C# for mcdev? can I see?
23:56 < geturshogchips> is golden?
23:56 < geturshogchips> wow. much chips.
23:56 < KnownUnown> yus, it iz
23:57 < geturshogchips> very tasty.
23:57 < KnownUnown> Can I haz shogchips?
23:58 < jj2baile> what is going on.
23:58 < KnownUnown> shogchips.
23:59 < shoghicp> jj2baile: a channel leaked, and they are filling this one with internal jokes
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00:00 < jj2baile> I think I prefer memory leaks.
00:00 < KnownUnown> shogchips.
00:01 < KnownUnown> http://imgur.com/MiObMKg
00:01 < geturshogchips> YESH!
00:03 <+SirCmpwn> perhaps the inanity should be limited to #mcpedevs
00:04 < KnownUnown> bah
00:06 < Dhruv0> SirCmpwn whaT? not more MC :3
00:06 < Dhruv0> for other stuff xD
00:16 < jj2baile> Is there an easier way to detect if I should be falling than inspecting chunk data?
00:16 < jj2baile> doing that seems vaguely annoying
00:37 < benbaptist> Is it possible to flip a character model via a particular flag over SMP? Or is it only done by matching their usernames? Would be pretty neat if I could force everything to be upside down.
00:44 < KnownUnown> benbaptist: Naming the people dinnerbone ;)
00:44 < jj2baile> Isn't there that one rule
00:45 < benbaptist> Is there a name-tag-type field for human players KnownUnown?
00:45 < benbaptist> so that someone can be Dinnerbone but keep their own skins and whatnot?
00:46 <+sadimusi> please don't mention him unnecessarily 
00:46 < KnownUnown> for bukkit, yes
00:46 < jj2baile> Note the channel rule of _not_ pinging mojang employees
00:46 < KnownUnown> just use the .setDisplayName method on a user handle
00:46 <+md_5> he still hasnt told me what he wants
00:46 <+md_5> :|
00:47 < jj2baile> md_5: I want a pony.
00:47 < KnownUnown> actually, no
00:47 < KnownUnown> set the name field of a player entity the D name, that'll do it, benbaptist
00:48 < benbaptist> nice!
00:48 < KnownUnown> and yes, they will keep their own skins, only for the users that are still on the server
00:49 < KnownUnown> that's the only downside to that
00:49 < dav2d> gaaaiy
00:50 < KnownUnown> ?
00:50 < dav2d> I thought that was relevant
10:37 < shoghicp> TkTech: Notifico! is on a netsplitted server
10:38 < shoghicp> for a few hours
16:38 < dav1d> lol java
16:38 < dav1d> BufferedWriter bw = new BufferedWriter(new FileWriter(new File(outpath, String.format("%s_%s.txt", name, matnm))));
17:11 < TobiX> dav1d: Actually a really good example of a proxy pattern. You could probably even write "Writer bw = new BufferedWriter([...])" in most cases to make it clear you know this is a proxy class...
17:14 < dx> TobiX: being a good example of patterns / object oriented design doesn't make it any less ugly to write
17:17 <+ammar2> dx: some pretty high standards if you think thats ugly
17:18 < dx> ammar2: yeah maybe
17:18 < dx> ammar2: but that's equivalent to an open(), so...
17:19 <+ammar2> dx: comparing to a loosely typed language doesn't count
17:19 < dx> ammar2: kek
17:19 < dav1d> ammar2: I think it's ugly as well
17:20 < dx> ammar2: i think you mean dynamic instead of loose
17:20 <+ammar2> dx: or weakly typed
17:20 <+ammar2> they all mean the same thing
17:20 < dx> ...errr not exactly but whatever
17:20 <+ammar2> for the most part anyway
17:20 < dav1d> but that's by far not the worst line I have in there :P
17:21 < dav1d> try to sort a hashmap by value (you only want the keys sorted)
17:21 < dav1d> one function call in python
17:21 < dx> dav1d pls, comparing to ``loose weakly dynamic typed'' languages doesn't count
17:22 < dav1d> 1 line in D
17:22 < dx> k there you go
17:22 < dav1d> http://vp.dav1d.de/3QDh?java
17:22 <+ammar2> show me the D
17:22 < dav1d> best I could come up with
17:22 < dx> lewd
17:22 <+ammar2> yes now show the D
17:22 < dav1d> ammar2: easy std.algorithm
17:23 < dav1d> ammar2: http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/penis-roof.jpeg [NSFW]
17:23 < dx> too lewd
17:24 < dav1d> sort!(x, y => aa[x] < aa[y])(aa.keys)
17:24 < dav1d> something like that
17:24 < dav1d> ammar2: ^
17:25 <+ammar2> thats some p deep syntax
17:25 < dav1d> p deep?
17:25 < dx> pee
17:25 < dav1d> piss deep?
17:25 < dav1d> what does that even mean
17:25 <+ammar2> like you need to know D syntax pretty well to understand what that line even means
17:26 < dav1d> ammar2: o.O
17:26 < dav1d> obviously you need to know the language
17:26 < dav1d> that's a lambda and nothing more
17:26 < dav1d> well a template parameter
17:26 < dx> breaking news: you need to understand the syntax to understand the code
17:26 < dav1d> really really basics
17:26 <+ammar2> dx: shh, you know what I mean
17:26 < dx> ammar2: :3
17:26 < dav1d> (x, y) => aa[x] < aa[y]
17:26 < dav1d> is probably correct
17:27 < dav1d> bool delegate(string key1, string key2) { return aa[key1] < aa[key2]; }
17:27 < dav1d> if you hate lambdas
17:28 < dav1d> anyways gtg, cya
--- Day changed mer. déc. 18 2013
21:23 < TkTech> fragmer: https://code.google.com/p/mcsharp/source/browse/MCSharp/World/NBTag.cs?r=de89e49b38ff64e2bc9f698991f4e0a064e56db8#3
21:23 < TkTech> fragmer: I...I didn't do this did I? This was you wasn't it?
22:26 < dav1d> TkTech: git blame?
22:26 < dav1d> oh nvm
22:26 < dav1d> it's mercurial
22:54 < TkTech> dav1d: Wouldn't matter, someone elses repo, they just copied it in.
22:56 < dav1d> ah
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02:23 < barneygale> impressively r/minecraft didn't ruin Dinnerbon-e's AMA
02:23 < SinZ> impressive
02:23 < shoghicp> yeah, most of them were Minecraft related questions
02:24 < dx> how do you ruin an AMA?
02:24 < Eviltechie> dx: See the cringe minecon video
02:24 < dx> Eviltechie: there are no downvotes IRL
02:24 < shoghicp> <Dinner****> Two questions about my dick out of 3.5k, not bad
02:25 < SinZ> All the cool kids call him Dinnerbro
02:25 < shoghicp> hmm
02:25 < shoghicp> :D
02:29 < umby24> lmao
02:30 <+AndrewPH> Eviltechie: you mean that video about that alpha as heck kid who's gonna go places when he grows up?
02:31 < Eviltechie> No idea, I didn't actually watch it
02:55 < barneygale> dx: reddit always finds a way
02:55 < barneygale> "would you fight a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses" etc
02:55 < barneygale> or just awful pun threads and sheer worship of whoever is doing the AMA