02:07 < dav1d>     SIGNOUT_URL = YGGDRASIL_URL + "signout"
02:07 < dav1d> :(
02:07 < dav1d> both of these are not on the wiki
02:07 <+sadimusi> I know
02:07 <+sadimusi> I don't even know what the difference is
02:07 < dav1d> signout invalidates all?
02:07 <+sadimusi> that wouldn't make much sense
02:07 < dav1d> indeed, but it's minecraft
02:07 < dav1d> :>
02:08 < TkTech> One is never actually used by the client
02:08 < TkTech> My library also includes the link but I didn't bother implementing it, don't actually know what it's supposed to do.
02:09 < TkTech> nyuszika7h: Unless you've worked on your snippet since that gist was posted, interested in working together? https://gist.github.com/TkTech/5970188
02:09 < dav1d> TkTech: why the @property everywhere?
02:10 < dav1d> I don't understand why everyone marks stuff private or tries to make it readonly
02:10 < dav1d> documentate, don't do it, if the user still does it, his fault
02:10 <+sadimusi> dav1d: about the exceptions: I hate it when a script crashes and just displays the name of the exception and I then have to come up with something like sqlalchemy.orm.exc.NoResultFound:
02:10 < TkTech> Because this is intended as a library and should be slightly rigid. It's not indented to be private, it's intended to be a read-only accessor.
02:11 < dav1d> TkTech: private in non-python languages
02:11 < dav1d> also private in general and read-only
02:11 < dav1d> I simply see no benefit of it, except of more code
02:11 < TkTech> Why would you want the username to be mutable?
02:12 < TkTech> And session_token is a read-only convenience property, for example.
02:12 < dav1d> TkTech: you don't want to, but why do you assume the user of your lib is dumb?
02:12 < dav1d> TkTech: that's something else
02:12 < TkTech> Because I've made libraries before and users are dumb.
02:12 < dav1d> session_token actually does something
02:12 < dav1d> TkTech: then it's their fault for not reading the documentation if they are dumb
02:13 < dav1d> I am glad python has no private
02:13 < dav1d> I needed to monkeypatch/access (something supposed to be private) often enough
02:14 < dav1d> self._selected_profile = j.get('selectedProfile')
02:15 < TkTech> dav1d: Er, yes it does.
02:15 < dav1d> availableProfiles and selectedProfiles can not exist, good to know...
02:15 < TkTech> Python has a concept for "private" methods.
02:15 < dav1d> TkTech: and that is
02:15 < TkTech> __
02:15 < TkTech> class Bob(object): def __private(self): pass
02:15 < dav1d> TkTech: that is not private
02:15 < TkTech> Anything with two leading __ will have its name mangled.
02:16 < dav1d> that is at maximum a convention people agreed on
02:16 < TkTech> …no...
02:16 < dav1d> I can still access it from anywhere
02:16 < TkTech> …no you can't...
02:16 < dav1d> I can?
02:16 < TkTech> dav1d: http://www.faqs.org/docs/diveintopython/fileinfo_private.html
02:17 < dav1d> TkTech: I still can access it
02:17 < TkTech> You cannot access it by name. You need to inspect the object and guess.
02:17 < dav1d> TkTech: http://vp.dav1d.de/aDv?-
02:17 < TkTech> That is the same with privates in ANY language, including C.
02:18 < dav1d> TkTech: C has no private?
02:18 < TkTech> ++.
02:18 < dav1d> or are you speaking of "exported" not "exported"
02:18 < TkTech> (Also technically yes it does)
02:18 < TkTech> Yeah. You know what I'm talking about.
02:19 < dav1d> well a compiler shouldn't allow it, if he properly implements it, except some mangling hacks which are even compiler dependend
02:19 < dav1d> I really think the concept of private is horrible
02:20 < dav1d> (and I still use it.. I don't know why)
02:20 < TkTech> So, I think you've got a different concept of privates.
02:20 < TkTech> There's a difference between making it *impossible* to use a method/attribute.
02:20 < TkTech> And not exposing it as a public API.
02:21 < dav1d> first should never happen
02:21 < dav1d> latter makes in some cases sense
02:22 < dav1d> haha http://vp.dav1d.de/tgLdh?py
02:32 <+sadimusi> argh, I just rebooted and now my pc doesn't detect the monitor anymore x.x
02:32 < TkTech> Hah, linux?
02:33 <+sadimusi> both mac and windows
02:33 < TkTech> Multi-monitor setups used to be such a bitch.
02:33 <+sadimusi> might be connected to the thunderstorm earlier :/
02:34 < dav1d> hehe mac, another miracle to me
02:34 <+sadimusi> and I can't find another monitor in the house
02:44 <+sadimusi> yes, that is exactly the resolution I want http://cl.ly/QN2h
02:50 < TkTech> sadimusi: Ew, you're using a TV?
02:50 <+sadimusi> only monitor I could find
02:50 < TkTech> Usually burns my eyes after awhile using a large-format display
02:51 <+sadimusi> I'm currently at my parents house, but at home I always use a tv
02:56 < TkTech> Crazy. Totally crazy mon.
02:56 <+sadimusi> I know :D
03:01 <+sadimusi> the tv thing doesn't really work -.- where can I find a resonably sized monitor at 3AM?
03:05 <+sadimusi> lets try the local school, there must be something there
03:09 < TkTech> If the cops ask we've never heard of you.
03:25 <+sadimusi> that was only partially successful, since they mostly have imacs and macbooks the only monitor I could find belongs to the file server and is like 21"
03:48 <+sadimusi> of course I don't notice that I don't have a firewire port anymore until _after_ I already carried my sister's 27" imac to my room m(
03:48 < dexter0> what were you going to do with a firewire port?
03:49 <+sadimusi> start my computer in target mode and then boot from it on the imac
03:49 < dexter0> oh, right
03:49 < dexter0> you can do that over thunderbolt as well but I bet you don't have a cable
03:50 <+sadimusi> I do have one, but it's at my apartment in Zurich
03:50 <+sadimusi> looks like I'm stuck with this 21" thing until at least tuesday
03:51 <+sadimusi> or maybe I could go to a physical store and buy a new one
03:51 < dexter0> those things are $$
03:52 <+sadimusi> since I'm rarely here anymore I don't really care about quality
03:53 <+sadimusi> so should be <300$
11:09 < nyuszika7h> TkTech: cadoth.net has expired, we're working on getting it
11:09 < nyuszika7h> it's still not available for registration because it's owned by some person who insisted on registering it for me for a year or a bit more
11:14 < nyuszika7h> dav2d, TkTech: cadoth.tk is a temporary domain until we get things back up
11:15 < nyuszika7h> unfortunately my mail doesn't work as I can't get cadoth.net yet and it's a PITA to change it on all the sites
11:15 < nyuszika7h> so if you want to contact me, nyuszika7h (at) gmail (dot) com is preferred over the cadoth.tk one
11:40 < shoghicp> hi
11:40 < shoghicp> tell me what do you think about https://account.pocketmine.net/m/login
11:41 <+ammar2> looks very minecrafty
11:42 <+ammar2> shoghicp: the little hover around the inputs when you focus on them, add a transition to it and make it a tad bit more pronounced
11:42 <+ammar2> but otherwise it looks good
11:42 <+ammar2> also try moving the login box a bit below the top bar, seems a bit close unecessarily
12:09 < shoghicp> ammar2: thanks
12:09 < shoghicp> it is designed for mobile devices
12:09 < shoghicp> but looks fine on PC too :D
12:17 < shoghicp> so I'm managing 96K users right now in our own Realms system ;)
12:17 < shoghicp> for the pocket edition
14:48 < dav1d> are there any values on how fast a player moves, sprints, falls, etc.?
14:49 < dav1d> I mean there is this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Speed#Speed
14:49 < dav1d> but nothing about acceleration/falling etc.
16:32 < x68> for the new json authencation scheme
16:32 < x68> doesm y json payload have to look exatcly this, http://pastebin.com/pJrS0Sem ?
16:34 < iBotPeaches> x68: http://wiki.vg/Authentication
16:35 < x68> been looking at, i am trying to construct a static string
16:35 < x68> i want to verify if the spaces and newlines matter
16:41 < Drainedsoul> JSON ignores whitespace
16:41 < x68> i see, but when i am doing my post call to https://authserver.mojang.com/authenticate
16:42 < x68> i am getting a 403, which means i am probably doing something wrong 
16:48 < dav1d> x68: did you set the correct http header?
16:48 < dav1d> Content-Type in specific
16:48 < x68> yes i did
16:48 < x68> currently my web call is like so:
16:49 < dav1d> code would be helpful
16:49 < Drainedsoul> do you know what 403 means?
16:49 < Drainedsoul> assuming the server is sane, it doesn't mean that your request is poorly-formed (that'd be 400)
16:49 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: probably sending a GET instead of a POST?
16:49 < dav1d> x68: ^
16:49 < x68> forbidden error, i know what it means
16:50 < x68> i get 400 errors now AND i am doing post calls
16:50 < x68> http://pastebin.com/aneadnu3, here's what i am currently doing
16:50 < dav1d> that shows nothing
16:50 < Drainedsoul> what are you POSTing?
16:50 < dav1d> and what is the url
16:51 < x68>  var baseAddress = "https://authserver.mojang.com/authenticate";
16:51 < dav1d> just show the whole code/function
16:51 < dav1d> including your sample data
16:51 < x68> alright
16:51 < dav1d> we won't steal it
16:52 < x68> i've been herel ong here enough to know that :)
16:52 < dav1d> kk :)
16:53 < x68> http://pastebin.com/4nWZc4WZ
16:53 < x68> also how's the d bot coming along dav1d?
16:53 < dav1d> x68: not a bot, client :)
16:53 < dav1d> good actually, working on physics right now!
16:54 < dav1d> x68: parsedcontent is not valid json
16:54 < x68> i forgot the braces didn't i ...?
16:55 < dav1d> yes
16:55 < x68> haha, thanks :)
16:55 < dav1d> I recommend you to invest into a json lib ;)
16:55 < dav1d> if you want to properly parse the response you need it anyways
16:56 < x68> no need when it's for a simple call this
16:56 < x68> actually, you are right .. it would make parsing the error messages much easier
16:56 < dav1d> depending on what you want to do with the reponse
16:57 < dav1d> x68: also what happens if your password contains a "
16:57 < dav1d> this is still a valid password
16:57 < dav1d> In [10]: json.dumps('"password')
16:57 < dav1d> Out[10]: '"\\"password"'
16:57 < dav1d> a json lib handles that correctly
16:57 < x68> i see, good catch
16:57 < dav1d> In [11]: print json.dumps('"password')
16:57 < dav1d> "\"password"
16:58 < dav1d> ^ easier to see
16:58 < x68> thanks :)
16:58 < dav1d> glad I could help
16:58 < Drainedsoul> what characters are and aren't valid in passwords?
16:59 < x68> does the new launcher work with 1.5.x and 1.4.x for server authetication?
16:59 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: I think everything is valid?
16:59 < dav1d> x68: yes it should
16:59 < x68> good to know :)
16:59 < Drainedsoul> if everything is valid hold on
16:59 < dav1d> the session tokens of yggsdrasil and the old api are identical
16:59 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: try it out?
16:59 < Drainedsoul> http://i.imgur.com/bKSzoRf.png here, you need to handle every case
17:00 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: escape control characters?
17:00 < dav1d> that reminds me of that spotify unicode bug
17:01 < Drainedsoul> http://www.json.org/string.gif
17:01 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: ?
17:01 < dav1d> any unicode character, except " or \ both can be escaped
17:01 < Drainedsoul> I'm just saying, if he wants to send text, he needs to escape more than just "
17:01 < dav1d> oh
17:01 < Drainedsoul> he needs to escape reverse solidus, double quote, and all control characters
17:02 < dav1d> I thought you were speaking of json is not capable of sending unicode properly
17:02 < Drainedsoul> oh, no, it definitely is
17:02 < Drainedsoul> the MC protocol isn't, but that's another topic for another time :(
17:02 < dav1d> yeah I was kinda confused
17:02 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: I know :)
17:02 < dav1d> but shouldn't be a problem for passwords
17:03 < Drainedsoul> "shouldn't" is like the worst word to ever come up in Unicode-related discussions
17:03 < Drainedsoul> :P
17:04 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: I don't know how fucked up their database is :P
17:04 < dav1d> well, hopefully they don't store the password plain
17:06 < Drainedsoul> I'd be interested to find out how many systems won't let you login with canonically equivalent passwords, because they just hash raw bytes without normalizing
17:07 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: a lot probably
17:07 < Drainedsoul> :(
17:07 < dav1d> hashing raw bytes is easier and safer (less bugs)
17:08 < dav1d> even though 1% of users might get pissed
17:08 < Drainedsoul> I suppose.  I guess not letting a user login with a correct password is preferable to perhaps letting users login with the wrong password.
17:09 < dav1d> yeah
17:09 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: seen http://labs.spotify.com/2013/06/18/creative-usernames/ ?
17:10 < Drainedsoul> yeah I saw that on Reddit a while back.  To me that just seemed like they made it more complicated than it had to be
17:10 < dav1d> as it turned out, I have no idea of unicode
17:10 < Drainedsoul> Unicode is a special kind of fucked up
17:10 < dav1d> but it was an interesting read though
17:12 < x68> accesToken is the session id 
17:12 < x68> and the client token is the new field that has been added, correct?
18:02 < dav1d> new launcher?
18:02 < dav1d> multiple profiles supported? :O
18:03 < dav1d> x68: session id is player uuid + access token
18:03 < dav1d> token:accessToken:UUID
18:04 < dav1d> I think that is on the wiki
18:45 < barneygale> sweet. writing a cartographer, output map managed to be correct north/south/east/west orientation first time round :D
19:30 < dav1d> I need a nice function for gravity :(
19:34 < shoghicp> ^ me too
19:34 < dav1d>             float ticks = falling.peek().msecs;
19:34 < dav1d>             // not really what minecraft uses
19:34 < dav1d>             acceleration.y = -pow(ticks, 1.048) * 2 * s;
19:34 < dav1d> shoghicp: ^
19:34 < dav1d> shoghicp: this works "ok"
19:34 < dav1d> shoghicp: ticks is not ticks sonder msecs in air
19:34 < dav1d> but it doesn't work for jumping it all
19:35 < shoghicp> in fact, I need full physics
19:35 < dav1d> shoghicp: you have that implemented already?
19:35 < dav1d> shoghicp: that's what I am doing right now
19:35 < shoghicp> I had a "simple" one
19:35 < shoghicp> I'm going to write it for 1.4 xD
19:35 < shoghicp> the current one lags the server
19:35 < dav1d> I would like if I could use the gravity automatically for jumping
19:36 < dav1d> +y velocity, gravity takes over at a height of 1.1blocks
19:36 < dav1d> shoghicp: so you have something?
19:37 < shoghicp> yes, an incremental one. saves the last time checked and calculates everything in the next check
19:37 < dav1d> shoghicp: does jumping work?
19:37 < shoghicp> at least players can jump
19:38 < shoghicp> and entities can go upside
19:38 < dav1d> shoghicp: can you link me to the code?
19:38 < shoghicp> up*
19:38 < shoghicp> I don't want you to use that code
19:38 < shoghicp> xD
19:38 < shoghicp> let me find it
19:40 < shoghicp> also, my collision check is getting all the blocks after the actual position and the next position
19:40 < shoghicp> https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/src/world/Entity.php#L386
19:40 < shoghicp> that is really messed up
19:40 < dav1d> lol
19:40 < dav1d> yeah
19:41 < dav1d> I saw this, I was hoping you mean something else :>
19:41 < dav1d> thanks
19:41 < shoghicp> I couldn't rewrite it before, too busy with multiworld
19:41 < dav1d> shoghicp: did you see http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Speed#Speed
19:41 < shoghicp> I'll ping you if I get a new system ;)
19:41 < dav1d> Vertical Speeds
19:41 < shoghicp> dav1d: yes, but they fail in MCPE
19:41 < dav1d> that is completly off
19:42 < shoghicp> no idea why
19:42 < dav1d> makes no sense, either I am too stuipid to implement it or it simply doesn't work
19:42 < shoghicp> dav1d: for testing purposes, send each position update
19:42 < shoghicp> do not send velocity updates
19:42 < dav1d> shoghicp: I am client
19:42 < shoghicp> hmm
19:43 < shoghicp> where is your code?
19:43 < dav1d> shoghicp: not really existent
19:43 < shoghicp> ok
19:43 < dav1d> sec I am pushing what I have
19:43 < shoghicp> try with a fake gravity first ;)
19:44 < dav1d> shoghicp: and that is?
19:44 < shoghicp> I think that Minecraft uses 16-32 m/s^2 as the gravity, right?
19:45 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±15] http://git.io/V4KDBQ
19:45 < dav1d> shoghicp: ?
19:45 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 48a15c5 - d-apt moved
19:45 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 8526954 - Apply physics to player instead of camera
19:45 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 6631fb8 - rework physics, camera, player api
19:45 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 64ec109 - broken gravity
19:45 < shoghicp> let me write some code
19:45 < dav1d> shoghicp: can you add parens?
19:45 < dav1d> 16-(32^2m/s)?
19:46 < dav1d> or s^2?
19:46 < shoghicp> oh xD
19:47 < dav1d> shoghicp: mh?
19:47 < dav1d> shoghicp: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/physics/survival.d#L53
19:47 < dav1d> shoghicp: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/physics/physics.d
19:54 < shoghicp> dav1d: https://gist.github.com/shoghicp/574e9f75bcbae4d7379d
19:54 < shoghicp> you can set the velocity so you can jump
19:56 < dav1d> shoghicp: microtime?
19:56 < shoghicp> microseconds
19:56 < Brott> happy birthday dav1d 
19:57 < dav1d> Brott: why?
19:57 < Brottweiler> it says it's your birthday on skype lol
19:57 < shoghicp> dav1d: time() is less precise
19:57 < dav1d> shoghicp: oh nvm
19:57 < dav1d> Brottweiler: that's wrong, but my friends birthday is today
19:57 < dav1d> Brottweiler: but thanks :D
19:58 < dav1d> Brottweiler: you saw the video I notice'd you?
19:58 < Brottweiler> :(
19:58 < dav1d> shoghicp: thanks gonna try that
19:58 < dav1d> Brottweiler: ?
19:58 < shoghicp> :)
19:58 < Brottweiler> dav1d: yeah yeah i saw that video when he uploaded it though :P
19:58 < dav1d> hehe
19:58 < dav1d> Brottweiler: have you seen him in stockholm? :>
19:59 < Brottweiler> no XD
20:00 < Brottweiler> I do not even think I would like to..
20:02 < dav1d> Brottweiler: maybe he would gave you from his delicious fish :>
20:02 < dav1d> man english is hard today
20:02 < Brottweiler> Surströmming
20:04 < dav1d> shoghicp: what does this mean? 16 meters per second^2
20:04 < dav1d> why is this -32?
20:04 < shoghicp> or -16
20:04 < shoghicp> I set the one that I remembered
20:04 < shoghicp> set it to -16
20:09 < dav1d> doesn't quite work
20:10 < shoghicp> ?
20:12 < dav1d> I am comparing it with vanilla client
20:12 < dav1d> speeds don't match
20:13 < dav1d> shoghicp: with 32 it comes at least close
20:13 < dav1d> thanks, better than what I had
20:14 < shoghicp> welcome!
20:37  * barneygale wonders if he's found a minecraft bug
20:37 < barneygale> check out the two avenues where trees didn't generate: http://imgur.com/bpx8rXm
20:39 < dav1d> barneygale: or you have a bug
20:40 < barneygale> I can't see how it could be something of mine
20:40 < barneygale> the other terrain works there fine
20:40 < barneygale> e.g. there are lakes and whatnot in the avenue
20:40 < barneygale> it's possible the heightmap might be wrong for those chunks
20:41 < barneygale> and I could work around that, but it's still not really my bug
20:41  * barneygale tries to figure out how it works
20:47 < dav1d> lol
20:47 < dav1d> I just implemented longjump
20:47 < dav1d> acceleration.y = 20;
20:47 < dav1d> bit too much :>
20:49 < dav1d> man this code sucks and is a mess
20:49 < dexter0> too much technical debt?
20:51 < dav1d> mh?
20:51 < dav1d> well it's not even a mess just meh, I don't like it
21:14 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/Es2_3A
21:14 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde e3a7e6c - implement jumping, creative gravity/fly toggle
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00:28 < ffmdr> is there some cool tool to detect obfuscation changes and remap mappings automatically?
00:28 < ffmdr> I mean
00:28 < ffmdr> where one is original minecraft 1.6.2 and other is same version but with diffrent obfuscation
00:28 < ffmdr> shifted obf schema
00:29 <+sadimusi> the mcp guys use some kind of script which was originally written by TkTec
00:29 <+sadimusi> or at least they used to
01:21 < ffmdr> yeah I am searching for something like that
01:22 < ffmdr> well searge is clearly working with original mojang mappings on livestreams so I guess its not too hard for him to remap
01:29 < [z]> https://github.com/agaricusb/MinecraftRemapping may be what you want
01:29 < [z]> But I don't know how you use it
01:42 < x68> for Entity Properties (0x2C) , i am confused as to how i should read the ListElement 
02:05 <+sadimusi> x68: what is unclear?
02:05 < ffmdr> [z]: it contains everything to everything mappings :d not sure if I can generate my own
02:06 < x68> i was unclear about the elements, i just have to loop and read long,long,double,byte  n times
02:07 < ffmdr> oh these srg in this repo are really useful
02:12 <+sadimusi> using two mc4p instances to debug mc4p <3
02:27 < Drainedsoul> x68: http://i.imgur.com/Mrsv65G.png
02:29 < x68> still slighty confused about the elements
02:30 <+sadimusi> this is my definition, it has some labels: https://gist.github.com/sadimusi/6025899#file-message-py-L642
02:30 < Drainedsoul> how so?
02:31 < x68> currently i have it like so:
02:32 < x68> http://hastebin.com/bipepedago.vala
02:32 < x68> but i am getting read errors afterwards
02:32 <+sadimusi> ah
02:32 <+sadimusi> each of the values in the dict has its own list
02:32 < x68> pardon?
02:33 <+sadimusi> for each property you read a double and the list
02:33 <+sadimusi> for most properties the list will be empty
02:33 < x68> i somewhat understand
02:34 < x68> basically the latter list correpsonds to the dictionary that is sent before?
02:34 <+sadimusi> the structure could look something like this: {'generic.movementSpeed': {'value': 1, 'list': []}, 'something.else': {'value': 1, 'list': []}}
02:35 < x68> ah i see
02:35 <+sadimusi> maybe burger's output would have helped the most http://b.wiki.vg/1.6.1...1.6.2#packets:0x2c
02:35 < x68> one thing, cna you verify if my implementation is correct?
02:36 <+sadimusi> yes, the types all look correct
02:36 < x68> d'oh i see what i did wrong :)
02:36 < x68> it's a nested loop
02:37 <+sadimusi> exactly
02:37 < x68> no more errors :)
03:25 <+sadimusi> the new mc4p parser finally works completely :) just a prettier alternative to those OrderDicts is missing
03:43 < x68> for online-mode=true and for 1.6.2, which url do i verify the accessToken with?
03:43 <+sadimusi> are you a server?
03:43 < x68> client, has the url changed from 1.4.x and 1.5.x?
03:44 <+sadimusi> I don't think so
03:44 <+sadimusi> you want to verify wether the access token is valid?
03:44 < x68> i want to connect to a 1.6.2 server with online-mode=true
03:44 < x68> currently i am using the new authetication scheme
03:45 <+sadimusi> it's still the same server
03:45 < x68> ah i see
03:45 <+sadimusi> you just have to build your session id http://wiki.vg/Authentication#Session_ID
03:45 < x68> okay :)
03:50 < x68> the new session id is generated like so, token:<accessToken>:<profile ID> ?
03:50 < x68> in this case, what exactly is profile id?
03:51 <+sadimusi> the id of the active profile
03:51 <+sadimusi> you get it when authenticating or refreshing
03:52 < x68> currently it is always 0?
03:52 <+sadimusi> no
03:52 < x68> okay
03:52 <+sadimusi> just use the selectedProfile.id you got when logging in, currently you can't really change it
03:53 <+sadimusi> or at least there's no way for us to try it out
03:55 < x68> what do you mean?
03:56 < x68> do you mean, availableProfiles.id?
03:56 <+sadimusi> no, selectedProfile
03:57 <+sadimusi> which is the same as availableProfiles[0].id
03:58 < x68> i see, thanks again
03:58 < x68> i also noticed that minecraft usesj son for chat now?
03:59 <+sadimusi> yes
03:59 <+sadimusi> it still has some issues though
03:59 <+sadimusi> but mostly in the client, so that doesn't concern you
03:59 < x68> okay, but i need extra parsing :)
04:00 <+sadimusi> and you need proprietary language files
04:00 < x68> really now? ..
04:01 <+sadimusi> I don't expect mojang to make a fuzz about it, but yes
04:01 <+sadimusi> did you look at the format yet?
04:01 < x68> not yet, i just took a quick look at what my gui was dumping out
04:15 < x68> sadimusi: 
04:15 <+sadimusi> hm?
04:16 < x68> http://hastebin.com/fiqasokepa.avrasm
04:16 <+sadimusi> no no
04:16 < x68> nope?
04:16 <+sadimusi> token:x:z
04:16 < x68> !! i see
04:16 < x68> token is a constant, yeah?
04:17 <+sadimusi> yes
04:17 < x68> and now i have authentication support thanks to you :)
04:19 < x68> also burger isn't displayign the new blocks added in 1.5.x and 1.6.x when i do a comparison with 1.4.x
04:19 <+sadimusi> the new resources system broke most of burger
04:20 < x68> aw :(
04:20 <+sadimusi> but there's already a beta of an update http://beta.ceilingcat.ch
04:20 < x68> huzzah :D
04:20 < dx> sadimusi: why is that still "beta" anyway?
04:21 <+sadimusi> there are still things missing
04:21 <+sadimusi> like proper handling of all the versions
04:21 <+sadimusi> and I was working on a redesign
04:21 < dx> oh ok
04:22 <+sadimusi> it's a completely new server based in flask, so it's not just an update
04:22 <+sadimusi> *on
04:22 < x68> still broke and some versions are missing
04:23 < x68> i see the reason for beta now
04:23 <+sadimusi> versions are missing?
04:23 < x68> 1.4.x
04:23 <+sadimusi> they are definitely not sorted correctly
04:23 <+sadimusi> but they should be somewhere
04:23 < x68> *had to scroll*
04:24 <+sadimusi> block diffs might be somewhat useless because all the block's texture changed
04:24 <+sadimusi> well, the new ones are at the bottom
04:25 < x68> i have no need for textures right now
04:26 < x68> however, it seems to just spit out all the blocks in minecraft 
04:27 <+sadimusi> that's what I meant
04:27 < x68> ah okay :)
04:27 <+sadimusi> because all of them changed...
04:28 < x68> it's alright :)
04:30 < dx> sadimusi: woo flask
04:30 < dx> sadimusi: what were you using before?
04:30 <+sadimusi> php
04:30  * sadimusi duck
04:31 <+sadimusi> *ducks
04:31 < dx> :D
04:31 < dx> yeah, i see how the migration of that could be hard then
04:31 < dx> probably easier to change dns
04:32 <+sadimusi> what do you mean?
04:33 < dx> some webservers that only have php make it hard to use other languages.. some don't even have shell access
04:34 < dx> of course that might not be the situation here, but it's very common
04:34 <+sadimusi> both sites are already running on the same server, so that won't be a problem
04:34 < dx> ..oh.
04:34 <+sadimusi> I think b.wiki.vg is just a cname for burger.ceilingcat.ch
04:34 < dx> okay :D
04:34 < x68> there are abotu 20 ticks/second, right?
04:34 <+sadimusi> yes
04:35 < x68> thanks
04:35 < x68> so 1/20 of a ms is how long a tick is?
04:35 <+sadimusi> o.O
04:35 <+sadimusi> 20ms
04:36 <+sadimusi> *50
04:36 < x68> 1000 ms = 1 s
04:36 < x68> 1/20 * 1000 = 50
04:36 < x68> correct?
04:36 <+sadimusi> yes
04:36 < dx> 1/20 of a second, not ms
04:36 <+sadimusi> 50 != 1/20
04:36 <+sadimusi> yeah
04:36 < x68> currently my timer for a tick is called every 50ms
04:37 < dx> (that looked like just a typo)
04:37 < dx> yes, 50ms is fine
04:37 < x68> got it
04:57 < x68> sadimusi: my bot currently has path finding
04:57 < x68> my current problem is that it moves too fast
04:58 < x68> i do structural recursion on it , e.g point1 -> point2 -> point3
06:53 < ffmdr> I am looking at how regeneration hack works in some hacked clients(faster natural regeneration)...it looks like it sends 7000 onGround packets
06:54 <+sadimusi> can't you just diff the classes?
06:54 < ffmdr> diff hacked client with vanilla?
06:54 <+sadimusi> yes
06:54 <+sadimusi> or does the hacked client do way more things than that?
06:55 < ffmdr> no, most hacked clients recompile with proguard so the obfuscation schema shifts
06:55 < ffmdr> to prevent skidding
06:58 < ffmdr>         if (this.worldObj.difficultySetting == 0 && this.func_110143_aJ() < this.func_110138_aP() && this.worldObj.getGameRules().getGameRuleBooleanValue("naturalRegeneration") && this.ticksExisted % 20 * 12 == 0)
06:58 < ffmdr> this.heal(1.0F)
06:58 < ffmdr> I have no idea how sending onground packets could make regen faster :/
07:00 <+sadimusi> you could at least try to find out where those packets are sent
07:00 <+sadimusi> there certainly can't be too many places
07:01 <+sadimusi> which client are we talking about? I'd like to take a look
07:01 < ffmdr> kinky
07:01 < ffmdr> just route null their irc before you run it lol
07:03 < ffmdr> well jd-gui fails on many important classes
07:03 < ffmdr> and the jar is overloaded meaning multiple functions with same name
07:04 <+sadimusi> the white page now detects ad blockers? o.O
07:04 < ffmdr> what white page?
07:05 <+sadimusi> adf.ly
07:05 < ffmdr> its not adf.ly detecting adblock
07:05 < ffmdr> its page it redirected you to
07:06 <+sadimusi> http://cl.ly/QM6z
07:06 < ffmdr> LOL
07:11 < ffmdr> well if I reobf the jar again without overloading it
07:11 < ffmdr> maybe overloading would be gone
07:39 < dx> lol "the white page"
08:01 < TkTech> sadimusi: It's just a CNAME
13:32 < dav1d> 0: survival, 1: creative, 2: adventure. Bit 3 (0x8) is the hardcore flag
13:32 < dav1d> shouldn't that be 0x4?
13:32 < dav1d> 3rd bit is 0x4 not 0x8
13:33 < dx> depends if you count from 0 or 1 :D
13:34 < dav1d> dx: http://vp.dav1d.de/P2j?d
13:34 < dav1d> dx: now if HARDCORE is 0b1000 this looks strange
13:35 < dav1d> let's see if burger knows more
13:35 < dx> hm i see
13:35 < dav1d> oh burger only has packets dayum
13:35 < dav1d> dx: would make more sense if survival was 1 though
13:35 < dav1d> imo
13:36 < dav1d> then adventure and hardcore set also the "1 bit"
13:36 < dx> why? survival appeared first
13:36 < dav1d> so you could check for the one bit and get, mode is basically survival
13:36 < dav1d> dx: physics are the same in survival, adventure, hardcore
13:36 < dav1d> if mode & 1: physics = survival
13:36 < dx> oh, that. i don't think they designed this to be convenient for your physics behavior code
13:37 < dav1d> dx: it just would make more sense :>
13:37 < dav1d> gotta test this and confirm it's 0x4
13:37 < dx> it's just adding numbered gamemodes and then having a flag that applies to all of them
13:38 < dx> 0b1000 would make more sense if they plan to add more gamemodes
13:38 < dav1d> dx: why?
13:38 < dav1d> what if they want to add two more
13:39 < shoghicp> In pocketmine I have 4 gamemodes ;)
13:39 < shoghicp> survival, creative, adventure, spectator
13:39 < shoghicp> spectator is creative without interaction perms. ;)
13:40 < shoghicp> and flags are different from the gamemode
13:40 < shoghicp> so I can change the adventure flag without changing the gamemode
13:40 < shoghicp> in fact, I can't change the gamemode xD
13:41 < dav1d>         if(mode == Player.Mode.CREATIVE && this._mode != Player.Mode.CREATIVE) {
13:41 < dav1d>             physics = new CreativePhysics(this, camera, game.current_world);
13:41 < dav1d>         } else if(this._mode == Player.Mode.CREATIVE) {
13:41 < dav1d>             physics = new SurvivalPhysics(this, camera, game.current_world);
13:41 < dav1d>         }
13:41 < dav1d> UGLY
13:41 < dx> errr what
13:42 < dav1d> right
13:42 < dx> what's the difference between mode and this._mode
13:42 < dav1d> @property void mode(Player.Mode mode) {
13:42 < dav1d> protected Player.Mode _mode;
13:42 < dav1d> mode: "set to mode", _mode: "is currently this mode"
13:43 < dx> 08:41 < dav1d> UGLY
13:43 < dav1d> dx: indeed
13:43 < dav1d> dx: better idea?
13:43 < dx> rename variables? no idea
13:44 < dx> i barely understand what you're doing there
13:45 < dav1d> dx: if mode switches from creative to some kind of survival (+hardcore, adventure) set new physics, if it changes from somekind of survival to creative set new physcis, if it changes from some kine of survival to another kind of survival, do nothing (same for creative → creative)
13:46 < dx> dav1d: hardcore adventure behaves like survival, and normal adventure behaves like creative? wat.
13:46 < dav1d> dx: yes
13:46 < dx> wat.
13:46 < dav1d> dx: physics are the same
13:47 < dav1d> no flying, falling, jumping etc.
13:47 < dav1d> so they are the same
13:47 < dx> but: "and normal adventure behaves like creative"?
13:48 < dav1d> dx: why?
13:48 < dx> i think i almost understood it until you replied "yes" to that question
13:48 < dav1d> adventure means survival without breaking blocks
13:48 < dx> yeah
13:48 < dav1d> oh
13:48 < dav1d> I didn't read that to the end
13:48 < dx> :D
13:48 < dx> i was confused when i thought that, after asking i thought "nah, no way, that wouldn't make sense", then you replied "yes"
13:49 < dx> anyway. i think i got it.
13:51 < dav1d> I have the crazy idea of implementing a signal for every packet that arrives
13:51 < dx> dav1d: how about checking the type of the current "physics" object and never touching this._mode?
13:51 < dav1d> dx: this would be a cast
13:51 < dav1d> I don't like casts
13:51 < dav1d> also CreativePhysics inherits from SurvivalPhysics
13:52 < dx> a... cast? you have to cast to check the type but you don't have to cast to assign it?
13:53 < dav1d> dx: no but there is no member indicating which mode the physics are for
13:54 < dav1d> so I had to downcast it to the CreativePhysics and check if the cast succeeded
13:58 < Drainedsoul> why would you hate casts?
13:58 < Grum> dav1d: if (mode != this._mod) physics = mode.getPhysics(this, camera, game.current_world);
13:58 < Grum> +e;
13:59 < dx> i think his modes are just integer constants
13:59 < Grum> mistake one ;)
14:00 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: look ugly
14:00 < dav1d> Grum: mode is an enum
14:00 < dav1d> Grum: and your code implies every physics object is a singletone
14:00 < dx> it does?
14:01 < dx> what stops getPhysics from returning a new instance, other than.. the name?
14:01 < dav1d> mode.getPhysics, I don't want to reallocate a physics object if the used physics don't change
14:01 < dav1d> if his code does the same → singletone
14:01 < Grum> dav1d: not at all, it can just create it on the fly
14:02 < dav1d> well, that's probably the better way, give a sh*t about allocating a new object even if the old does the same
14:02 < Grum> erm, no? i only make a new object when you are needing one because apparently the mode is different
14:02 < Grum> you just used a ton of fallable code :)
14:03 < dav1d> Grum: yeah my initial approach was, if mode changes from survival to adventure, no need to change the physics
14:03 < dav1d> but that's probably dumb
14:11 < Grum> dav1d: if you add the exception of 'i can reuse the same mode' your code would work, if there is high overhead in recreating the object, your could might be better; but as you noticed, it is ugly 
14:12 < Grum> so you pay the price of future maintenance
14:12 < dav1d> Grum: you're right
14:12 < dav1d> considering how often it is created
14:12 < dav1d> I have way worse spots
14:12 < Grum> also it really doesn't convey: if the game-mode switches-between-survival-and-adventure-it-is-ok
14:12 < Grum> which is what you made this 'special code for' in the first place :)
14:12 < dav1d> (e.g. every chunk that comes in...)
14:13 < Grum> its always a pain picking the right trade-off
14:13 < dx> dav1d: .classinfo.name? :D
14:13 < dav1d> dx: and then parse the string, haha
14:14 < Grum> you could even solve the 'use the same object' from the getPhysics method, by making it cache the last one somehow, or even by passing in the current one and instance-of-ing
14:14 < dx> dav1d: yeah, i'm obviously not thinking low level enough
14:14 < dav1d> dx: with a regex!
14:14 < Grum> regex? do it by hand, character loop
14:14 < dav1d> Grum: yeah but that's basically useless
14:14 < Grum> oh better, read bytes ;)
14:14 < dx> dav1d: ;_;
14:14 < dav1d> Grum: that would work, plain ascii
14:14 < Grum> no unicode classes? ;D
14:14 < dav1d> Grum: I could do that
14:15 < dav1d> D supports unicode in code
14:15 < Grum> java too, my head doesn't
14:15 < dav1d> You can write japanese code and the compiler wouldn't complain
14:15 < dav1d> haha
14:15 < Grum> your head would =)
14:15 < dav1d> I can't even write german code
14:15 < dav1d> it's horrible
14:15 < Grum> english code-jargon is the way to go :)
14:15 < Grum> i hate it when people abbreviate stuff in the code
14:16 < dav1d> now I have a bug, great, physics crashing because of invalid movement coming from somwhere :(
14:16 < Grum> because 'le' is far better than 'entity' or 'livingEntity' :(
14:16 < dav1d> [-5.5915e+24, 4.58295e-41, 1.12104e-43]
14:16 < dav1d> ^ movement
14:16 < Grum> that is legal vanilla movement
14:16 < dav1d> Grum: abbreviations are horrible
14:16 < dav1d> I can't even stand exception.msg
14:16 < Grum> oh +24 haah
14:16 < dav1d> Grum: yeah :(
14:16 < Grum> oof :P
14:16 < Grum> someone cheatiung
14:17 < dav1d> Grum: nope, I blame the server
14:17 < dav1d> :>
14:17 < dav1d> it only happens when I join
14:17 < dav1d> so I would say uninitialized variables somewhere, but they don't exist
14:18 < dav1d> and it's some kind of race-codnition, only happens sometimes
14:21 < dav1d> ok I have to blame myself :(
14:35 < dav1d> oh
14:35 < dav1d> you can't change a single players gamemmode to hardcode?
14:35 < dav1d> *hardcore
14:42 < dav1d> ok hardcore is really mode 8
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±21] http://git.io/f6pzWg
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 4ddb492 - use new phobosx.signal
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7f3b446 - remove debugging code
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde eb79125 - implement gamemodes
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde ee186c8 - implement jumping again
18:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde b43e155 - launcher_profiles format changed
18:56 < Brottweiler> barneygale: cedar looks great :)
18:57 < dav1d> Brottweiler: cedar?
18:57 < dav1d> sounds like cheese
18:58 < Brottweiler> cheddar
18:58 < Brottweiler> dav1d: https://github.com/barneygale/cedar
18:58 < Brottweiler> you get a carthograph via a seed
18:58 < dav1d> ah
18:58 < Brottweiler> without having to have an actual map save file or anything
18:58 < dav1d> I've seen pictures
18:58 < Brottweiler> I guess it downloads the server, generates the world, makes the image then  deletes the things
18:58 < Brottweiler> deletes the server and map i guess
18:59 < dav1d> uhhh
18:59 < dav1d> yeah it does
19:07 < Sirenfal> Hello
19:07 < dav1d> hi
19:07 < Sirenfal> Can anyone explain what the sublist in 0x2C (Packet 44) is for, and when it might be sent?
19:07 < Sirenfal> This:
19:07 < Sirenfal> ListElement {long (UUID MSB), long (UUID LSB), double (amount), byte (operation)}
19:08 < Sirenfal> I poked through the 1.6.2 code but it's layers of indirection and it's completely undocumented anywhere right now, so I'm hoping one of you can save me some time
19:08 < Sirenfal> Thanks in advance :)
19:21 < mbaxter> that's modifiers
19:22 < mbaxter> Sirenfal: 
19:22 < mbaxter> the two longs form a UUID
19:22 < mbaxter> the double's the value, the byte's the operation
19:22 < mbaxter> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Attribute#Modifiers
19:23 < dav1d> can someone solves this capture for me?
19:23 < dav1d> Snow White And the Seven _____
19:23 < dav1d> I don't get it
19:24 < dav1d> ohhh
19:24 < TkTech> …I asked for better suggestions...
19:24 < dav1d> Schneewittchen und die 7 Zwerge
19:24 < dav1d> mbaxter: added the link to the 0x2c packet
19:25 < dav1d> TkTech: is this a "static" captcha?
19:25 < TkTech> It can be a list of static and dynamic questions and answers
19:28 < Sirenfal> mbaxter: thanks
19:28 < Sirenfal> but based on that page..
19:29 < Sirenfal> if all they do is perform a modification on the value of an attribute, why not just modify the value of the attribute instead of sending the
19:29 < Sirenfal> attribute and a modifier regarding that attribute?
19:30 < Sirenfal> or is there a reason, like modifiers affect something that can't be modified as an attribute pair?
19:31 < dav1d> mh, why does the client need to know of these values anyways?
19:31 < Sirenfal> probably mainly for map makers, modders, etc
19:31 < Sirenfal> more ability to change vanilla gameplay without mods
19:31 < Sirenfal> particularly because you can set attributes on the player, like runspeed, etc without potions
19:31 < Sirenfal> and presumably attributes potions can't change
19:31 < dav1d> Sirenfal: these values shouldn't affect the player?
19:32 < Sirenfal> they do affect the player
19:32 < dav1d> I don't get such a packet on spawn for myself
19:32 < Sirenfal> you can change maxhealth, movementspeed, etc according to the Protcol page on wiki.vg:
19:32 < Sirenfal> Note: The server sends this packet to inform the user of its movement speed. Users move far too fast when this packet is not sent. 
19:32 < dav1d> so it can't change my sprinting speed
19:32 < Sirenfal> idk, I haven't verified it myself but I would assume whoever wrote that probably had a basis for it
19:33 < Sirenfal> i'm updating my server code atm, I'll report back in a bit when I'm done and let you know
19:34 < dav1d> ok, for horses it's important
19:34 < dav1d> the client has to know the "jump strength"
19:35 < Sirenfal> also
19:36 < Sirenfal> dav1d: you guys talk to Mojang occasionally right?
19:36 < dav1d> Sirenfal: sometimes
19:36 < Sirenfal> because if so, can someone please ask them to remove all the extraneous garbage that's completely unused in the protocol?
19:36 < Sirenfal> there are tons of packets with fields that are ignored now that used to be used
19:36 < dav1d> Sirenfal: answer, low priority on the end of our todo
19:36 < Sirenfal> I suppose
19:36 < Sirenfal> it bothers my OCD
19:37 < Sirenfal> in fact
19:37 < Sirenfal> it really bothers my OCD
19:37 < Sirenfal> like
19:37 < Sirenfal> in 1.6+ now, in 0x64 OpenWindow
19:37 < Sirenfal> if windowtype is 11 they send an extra int containing the entity id
19:38 < Sirenfal> so we do something that, as far as I see, no other packet does (value exists or doesn't based on a previous value) (besides arrays of course)
19:38 < Sirenfal> to save four bytes
19:38 < Sirenfal> when there's like, a dozen values that are simply unused
19:38 < Sirenfal> I don't get it
19:38 < Sirenfal> seems silly
19:39 < Yoshi2> Sirenfal: if you can find a way how removing the protocol garbage translates into more sales for mojang, then it will be taken care of
19:39 < Sirenfal> haha
19:39 < Sirenfal> touche
19:40 < Sirenfal> at the very least they could hire someone to fix the performance issues in the client
19:40 < Sirenfal> as far as I can tell most of the FPS loss from classic to beta/release is some kind of I/O blocking the main thread
19:40 < Sirenfal> and that would translate into sales I would think
19:46 < Sirenfal> dav1d, mbaxter: also, on the wiki
19:46 < Sirenfal> is there a reason Server List Ping (0xFE) isn't documented on the Protocol page?
19:46 < Sirenfal> as far as I can tell it will always send the same data
19:46 < Sirenfal> but the protocol page still just lists the one magic byte from 1.5
19:46 < mbaxter> Modifiers are displayed to the client for items, presumably everything else is convenience for modders or convenience in coding.
19:46 < Sirenfal> (I'm aware it's on http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping too)
19:47 < dav1d> no idea
19:48 < Sirenfal> oh
19:48 < Sirenfal> I guess because old clients will still send 0xFE differently than new ones?
19:48 < Sirenfal> that makes sense
20:01 < Sirenfal> well that's even more confusing
20:01 < Sirenfal> even new packets have values that are ignored
20:01 < Sirenfal> the new ServerListPing packet (0xFE)
20:01 < Sirenfal> sends the length of following data:
20:01 < Sirenfal> which is then ignored
20:01 < Sirenfal> par1DataInput.readShort();
20:01 < Sirenfal> lol
20:01 < Sirenfal> perhaps mojang devs are going slightly over the ballmer peak when programming
20:06 < mbaxter> the values sent in the packet aren't for the vanilla server
20:07 < mbaxter> also technically I think it's a second packet being sent immediately
21:02 < Sirenfal> mbaxter dav1d:
21:02 < Sirenfal> http://wiki.vg/Plugin_channel
21:02 < Sirenfal> MC|TPack appears to be removed.. which is obnoxious and dumb
21:02 < Sirenfal> but it's not working and I just checked the code and "TPack" only appears in the send function now, there is no receive anywhere
21:02 < mbaxter> texture packs no longer exist
21:02 < mbaxter> resource packs replace them
21:03 < Sirenfal> is there a plugin channel for it?
21:03 < mbaxter> but there is no functionality yet for telling the client how to acquire one, or for the client to acquire one at all
21:03 < Sirenfal> ugh
21:03 < Sirenfal> I figured they'd just reuse the TPack message
21:03 < Sirenfal> and the send function is still there
21:03 < mbaxter> Someone probably forgot to remove it
21:03 < Sirenfal> it's funny
21:04 < Sirenfal> I was literally just talking to someone two days ago about how great it was that Mojang enables server mod authors to do custom things with the normal protocol
21:04 < Sirenfal> and mentioned texture packs as an example
21:04 < Sirenfal> and they actually removed that before I said those works
21:04 < Sirenfal> words*
21:04 < dav1d> can't you do that with resourcepacks?
21:04 < Sirenfal> dav1d: there's no channel for it
21:05 < Sirenfal> which is pretty obnoxious because something I made depends on that a fair amount
21:05 < Sirenfal> this is pretty disappointing
21:06 < dav1d> I always expected that the client could also download these
21:06 < dav1d> I guess I was wrong
21:06 < Sirenfal> yeah, I did too
21:07 < Sirenfal> if mojang never implemented it in the first place that'd be one thing, but I can't believe they'd remove it and ship without reimplementing it
21:07 < Sirenfal> I can't be the only person who used that a lot
21:07 < Sirenfal> actually iirc VoxelBox uses it for their like.. eight? texture packs
21:13 < Grum> Sirenfal: because some things get cut off because of time constraints
21:13 < Grum> from which one learns, not to have time constraints
21:21 < mbaxter> Time constraints on a released game with no deadlines for updates?
21:22 <+ammar2> yup
21:22 < dexter0> Them 12 year olds get impatient quickly w/o their constant Minecraft updates.
21:24 < Sirenfal> Grum: I know, but I don't understand how they can just screw people who are trying to make amazing things with their game
21:24 < Sirenfal> That's so important to any server that wants to do something neat without client mods
21:24 < Sirenfal> God I'm pissed
21:24 < Sirenfal> I'm writing them an email, but based off past experience they probably won't even read it
21:24 < Sirenfal> :(
21:25 < Grum> Sirenfal: write a mail to do what?
21:25 < Sirenfal> To mojang about the texture pack issue
21:25 <+sadimusi> Sirenfal: you do realize thate Grum is a mojang employee, right?
21:25 < Sirenfal> Even if it doesn't get in til the next patch at least I'd like to know it's on their radar
21:25 < mbaxter> You do realize Grum is mojang right :3
21:25 < Grum> Sirenfal: ^^
21:25 < Sirenfal> sadimusi: No, I didn't
21:25 < mbaxter> The more you know! *rainbow*
21:25 < Grum> i actually cut the feature
21:25 < Grum> feel free to rage to me :)
21:26 < Sirenfal> I'm not going to rage, I'm just disappoinetd
21:26 < Sirenfal> disappointed*
21:26 < Grum> it had both a good and a bad reason
21:26  * pdelvo rages
21:26 < Sirenfal> Even if you added it right now it won't get back in for months now
21:26 < Sirenfal> You can't just screw everyone updating their mods right now either
21:26 < Grum> why not?
21:26 < Sirenfal> Haha
21:26 < Sirenfal> I suppose you could, but I would feel shitty for them
21:26 < Sirenfal> Someone is going to be sad either way
21:26 < Grum> yup :p
21:26 < Grum> always is
21:27 < dav1d> gru m undercover
21:28 < Grum> saw that
21:28 < Grum> ??> Sirenfal scold/pm
21:28 < Grum> that should so work
21:28 < Sirenfal> wat
21:28 < Grum> oh in another channel that would say not to bother people in pms and just do it in the channel ;)
21:29 < Sirenfal> Oh, my apologies
21:29 < Grum> its ok :D
21:30 < Grum> anyhow, we wanted to add it, we didn't get time to do so
21:31 < Grum> it'll happen
21:31 < Grum> some other things just popped up :/
21:31 < Grum> couple of thousands of them =)
21:33 < Sirenfal> Grum: Okay, no PMs-
21:33 < Sirenfal> If you have a minute, it'd mean a lot to me if you look at this
21:33 < Sirenfal> I understand why you cut it, but I want to make sure that you at least see why it matters
21:33 < Sirenfal> I think it really hurts the game and I hope this'll make sure it's on the radar and not low priority next patch
21:34 < Sirenfal> dev.voxelcore.com on 1.5.2 if you have a moment
21:34 < Sirenfal> If you don't, that's fine and I appreciate you responding at least
21:34 < Grum> nah i actually did already start reimplementing it
21:34 < Grum> then we gut snowed in by other stuff
21:35 < Sirenfal> Okay
21:35 < Grum> it should be out in whatever the next update is
21:36 < Grum> and yes, that is purposefully non-committal because shit always hits the fan :p
21:46 < dav1d> dammit
21:46 < dav1d> > cleaning room, hits power button on the cable 
21:47 < dav1d> I knew I shouldn't have cleaned my room
21:47 < Grum> the room retaliated because you left it unkept for that long
21:48 < dav1d> why would I even do that -.-
21:49 < Grum> leaving it longer would have the room kill you :p
21:49 < Grum> or get dirty in an attempt trying to
21:49 < dav1d> Grum: come one, half a year :>
21:51 < Vanderan> hia people, would you by any chance know what casues this exception -> http://pastebin.com/xvQTTJLw  ??
21:52 < Vanderan> From what i can figure out, it has something to do with the time in the map..
21:58 < dav1d> Vanderan: it looks like this is not code as distributed by mojang, probably your error
21:58 < dav1d> more like you access an array with index -4?
21:59 < dav1d> welcome home sadimusi :P
22:00 < Vanderan> the accessing of the array comes from bukkit, it tries to get a value from an array in the worldprovider
22:01 < Vanderan> it does some calculations based on the time in the world, which i dont mess around in.. (as far i know)
22:03 <+sadimusi> dav1d: did my bouncer disconnect?
22:03 < dav1d> sadimusi: yes
22:03 < dav1d> sadimusi: also no vhost set
22:03 < dav1d> sadimusi: if you have one
22:03 <+sadimusi> I thought I set it
22:03 < dav1d> sadimusi: but if it's a bouncer, you're probably not back in Zürich
22:03 < dav1d> --> | sadimusi (~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch) 
22:03 <+sadimusi> no, still in Biel
22:04 < dav1d> sadimusi: I actually wanted to ask if Biomes etc. will get back on burger?
22:04 <+sadimusi> aren't they there?
22:05 < dav1d> sadimusi: http://b.wiki.vg/1.6.2
22:05 <+sadimusi> probably just forgot to include them in the list for b.wiki.vg
22:05 < dav1d> oh they are there for 1.6.
22:05 < dav1d> *1.6.1
22:05 < dav1d> strange
22:05 <+sadimusi> I had to process those versions manually
22:06 <+sadimusi> because some of the toppings were broken...
22:06 < dav1d> also layout is messed up
22:06 <+sadimusi> for the translations?
22:06 <+sadimusi> I know
22:06 < dav1d> yes
22:06 <+sadimusi> there hasn't been a change to biomes in a while now http://beta.ceilingcat.ch/1.4.2...1.6.2#biomes
22:07 < dav1d> sadimusi: I wasn't exactly searching for them, I just noticed it
22:07 <+sadimusi> I'm redesigning burger anyway, I will deal with the layout for languages then (might end up something like that http://cl.ly/Q1pm)
22:09 < dav1d> neat
22:10 < dav1d> sadimusi: I would really like if the menu with Blocks etc. would move to the top while scrolling but not disappear
22:10 < dav1d> like G+
22:11 <+sadimusi> I thought about moving it to the side
22:11 <+sadimusi> but whatever I end up doing, it definitely won't scroll
23:56 < DavidEGrayson> Does anyone happen to know if there is some nice packet the server sends to the client to confirm the client has gotten in a bed?
23:57 < DavidEGrayson> I looked at http://wiki.vg/Protocol of course, but I will look again.
23:57 <+sadimusi> isn't 0x11 used for exactly that?
23:57 < DavidEGrayson> Oh, I will do an experiment and see...  There is no entity representing the current player though.
23:58 <+sadimusi> "This Packet is sent to all nearby players including the one sent to bed."
23:59 < DavidEGrayson> Ok, great.  Thanks!
--- Day changed lun. juil. 22 2013
00:15 < DavidEGrayson> Yeah, it does send a UseBed packet when you get in bed, and it sends some entity ID that has not sent to the client before.
00:22 < DavidEGrayson> When the client goes to bed, the server seems to send packets in this order: Player Position & Look, Use Bed, Block Change, Block Change, Set Slot.  I don't understand why it is setting one slot, but the blockchange must be to change the bed metadata to indicate it is occupied.
02:30 < vemacs> Does anybody have a complete list of the changes in the 1.6 launcher?
02:30 < vemacs> I only see the authentication scheme on the wiki.
02:37 < DavidEGrayson> It looks like night actually starts at 13000 ticks instead of 12000.  My bot cannot go to sleep before 13000.
03:32 < stephenmac7> So.
03:32 < stephenmac7> AndrewPH: This seems to be it
03:33 <+AndrewPH> Yep, ask your question(s) and somebody who knows about it will probably get to you soonish.
03:33 < stephenmac7> Thanks
03:35 < stephenmac7> So, I was wondering how the new launcher works. The version jar and json are downloaded in the way described here: http://wiki.vg/Game_Files#Game but I cannot figure out how the version json file is parsed for the library downloads. Also, I'm not certain whether the assets directory is required
03:35 < stephenmac7> Because the game seems to run without it
03:36 <+sadimusi> the libraries aren't run, they don't need a config
03:36 <+sadimusi> and I think the game extracts the assets folder from the jar by itself
03:38 < stephenmac7> sadimusi: It seems that each library has to be downloaded manually and added to the classpath manually
03:38 <+sadimusi> yes
03:38 < stephenmac7> So, how do I figure out where to download the libraries
03:39 <+sadimusi> those have bbeen the same for years, just hardcode the paths from the wiki
03:39 <+sadimusi> *been
03:40 < stephenmac7> No, there used to be only like 4
03:40 < stephenmac7> now there's all these: http://pastebin.com/1z6HmN8P
03:40 <+sadimusi> 5 is like 4
03:41 <+sadimusi> hm, you're right
03:41 < stephenmac7> stephen@ubuntu-desktop ~ $ ls .mml/51e4a45337a808163a1d747c/bin/
03:41 < stephenmac7> jinput.jar  linux_natives.jar.lzma  lwjgl.jar  lwjgl_util.jar  minecraft_blended.jar  minecraft.jar  natives
03:41 < stephenmac7> stephen@ubuntu-desktop ~ $ ls .minecraft/libraries/
03:41 < stephenmac7> argo  com  commons-io  net  org
03:41 < stephenmac7> Seems to be all seperated now
03:41  * stephenmac7 has bad spelling
03:42 < stephenmac7> (Separated was spelled wrong...)
03:42 < stephenmac7> sadimusi: Any ideas?
03:42 < stephenmac7> It's just that some say access denied
03:42 <+sadimusi> I'll have a look at the launcher
03:42 < stephenmac7> I've done that
03:42 < stephenmac7> java decompiler and all
03:43 <+sadimusi> didn't find anything?
03:43 < stephenmac7> It's just such a complicated launcher...
03:43 <+sadimusi> it isn't that complex
03:43 < stephenmac7> Combined with the fact that I haven't written anything in java in my life... (the launcher I have is written in python)
03:44 < stephenmac7> Everything is spread out across files and variable names are not predictable so grep won't work
03:45 <+sadimusi> the launcher isn't obfuscated at all
03:46 < stephenmac7> Nope
03:46 < stephenmac7> It isn't
03:46 < stephenmac7> I just don't know java
03:47 < stephenmac7> Most of it makes sense but I'll have to look through all the source instead of quickly being able to find what I need using grep
03:47 <+sadimusi> it looks like it downloads all the libraries specified in the json once you start the game
03:47 < stephenmac7> You can't start the game unless you have all the libraries
03:47 < stephenmac7> The launcher does it
03:48 <+sadimusi> yes, but only once you start a particular version
03:48 <+sadimusi> the code is in net.minecraft.launcher.versions.Library
03:49 < stephenmac7> Already found that but... nothing seems to reference LIBRARY_DOWNLOAD_BASE
03:51 < stephenmac7> sadimusi: Nothing seems to make sense in it
03:51 < stephenmac7> For example there are referenced to this.url but the url was never set
03:51 < stephenmac7> *references
03:51 <+sadimusi> the constant just gets inlined by the compiler
03:51 <+sadimusi> it's in getDownloadUrl
03:52 <+sadimusi> this.url is only used for custom urls
03:52 < stephenmac7> I already know the actual url (https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/libraries/)
03:52 < stephenmac7> But the question is which libraries to download
03:52 <+sadimusi> that's all in the json
03:52 < stephenmac7> Correct, hence the list
03:52 <+sadimusi> what list?
03:52 < stephenmac7> But some of those say access denied on amazon
03:53 < stephenmac7> http://pastebin.com/1z6HmN8P
03:53 <+sadimusi> you might not be building the URLs correctly
03:53 < stephenmac7> Hm.
03:53 < stephenmac7> I think so...
03:53 < stephenmac7> http://pastebin.com/APipVD86
03:53 < stephenmac7> Most of them work though
03:56 <+sadimusi> that does look correct
03:56 < stephenmac7> http://pastebin.com/bddT2dw9 is a list of all the prepended urls
03:56 <+sadimusi> unless the method with classifier is used
03:56 < stephenmac7> Ah. Sorry, missed something on that last pastebin
03:57 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2073 4 files : Implemented rudimentary /SetGen support in Vanilla, FloatingIsland, and Realistic generators. Split grass/forest themes.
03:57 < stephenmac7> Fixed: http://pastebin.com/jCzTnF6T
03:57 <+sadimusi> for example org.lwjgl.lwjgl:lwjgl-platform:2.9.0 should have natives-linux somewhere
03:58 <+sadimusi> it should be org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl-platform/2.9.0/lwjgl-platform-2.9.0-natives-linux.jar
03:58 < stephenmac7> Ah! Thank you!
03:59 <+sadimusi> I should probably update the wiki, I just copied the information from an other, apparently outdated article
03:59 < stephenmac7> wiki.vg?
03:59 <+sadimusi> yes
03:59 < stephenmac7> That's where I looked first
04:00 < stephenmac7> Did have everything
04:00 < stephenmac7> *didn't
04:00 < stephenmac7> Not all of them are natives
04:00 < stephenmac7> Some still don't work
04:00 <+sadimusi> I only recently wrote that game files article, but based on information for 1.5.2
04:00 <+sadimusi> which one?
04:01 < stephenmac7> https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/libraries/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl-platform/2.9.1-nightly-20130708-debug3/lwjgl-platform-2.9.1-nightly-20130708-debug3-natives-linux.jar
04:01 <+sadimusi> this on is only for mac
04:02 < stephenmac7> Then why does it have the natives-linux info in the json?
04:02 <+sadimusi> oh, I was looking at the wrong one
04:03 < stephenmac7> Second to last
04:03 < stephenmac7> http://i.imgur.com/vt8gdwB.png
04:04 <+sadimusi> wait, it's for linux but only allowed on os x 10.5?
04:05 <+sadimusi> do you actually have this library when you use the vanilla launcher?
04:05 < stephenmac7> Let me check
04:05 <+sadimusi> ah no, this isn't the one only for linux
04:05 <+sadimusi> it really is just for mac
04:06 < stephenmac7> I have the last one
04:06 < stephenmac7> stephen@ubuntu-desktop ~/.minecraft/libraries/net/java/jinput/jinput-platform/2.0.5 $ ls
04:06 < stephenmac7> jinput-platform-2.0.5-natives-linux.jar
04:06 <+sadimusi> this one doesn't work either?
04:06 < stephenmac7> Let me check
04:07 < stephenmac7> Nope https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/libraries/net/java/jinput/jinput-platform/2.0.5/jinput-platform-2.0.5-linux-natives.jar
04:07 < stephenmac7> Nevermind, I got it backwards...
04:07 < stephenmac7> https://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Download/libraries/net/java/jinput/jinput-platform/2.0.5/jinput-platform-2.0.5-natives-linux.jar
04:08 < stephenmac7> So, how does this rules thing work?
04:08 <+sadimusi> it uses some libraries only on certain system versions
04:08 <+sadimusi> looks like it's mostly used for issues with os x 10.5
04:09 < stephenmac7> Hm.
04:09 < stephenmac7> I see
04:11 < ShaRose> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5PLvn4sTw
04:20 < stephenmac7> sadimusi: How's http://pastebin.com/8d8hQshP