03:59 < mbaxter> dx: butcher all the things!
03:59 < dx> \o/
03:59 < dx> well actually nms is in a different repo and is not human readable... so nevermind
03:59  * mbaxter can read it
03:59 < btilm305> CRAP mbaxter 
03:59 < dx> sorry, i meant 'human readable' for casual definitions of 'human'
04:00 < btilm305> I was excited!
04:00 < mbaxter> CB remains non-translated until a solution allowing for translations without breaking API presents itself or we decide to just break stuff, most likely.
04:00 < mbaxter> btilm305: It's not really a big deal until resource packs are properly supported anyhow :)
04:00 < btilm305> It is for me
04:00 < btilm305> It's stopping me from releasing my iOS chat client
04:00 < btilm305> SCREW MOJANG
04:01 < btilm305> Seriously... "chat.type.announcement"
04:03 < btilm305> Where do I find definitions for translations
04:04 < SinZ> chat.type.announcement is [%s] %s
04:04 < btilm305> Yeah but where do I find the list of them
04:04 < btilm305> in the client?
04:04 < btilm305> which file
04:04 < btilm305> :\
04:05 < SinZ> it would be in language
04:05 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] http://git.io/QBO8Fw
04:05 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde abef845 - nuke old code
04:05 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 3c5a212 - add log_if
04:05 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7099be0 - fixed obvious bug ...
04:05 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7b40372 - updated submodules
04:05 < btilm305> client?
04:05 < dav1d> yes
04:05 < btilm305> ug
04:06 < dav1d> I wonder if you could crash the client with malformed json :>
04:06 < btilm305> Yay found it
04:06 < btilm305> Probably
04:06 < dav1d> btilm305: mcp?
04:06 < btilm305> as you can crash them by other means
04:07 < btilm305> No, language files aren't obfuscated
04:07 < dav1d> ah
04:07 < btilm305> IF they were it would be pointless
04:07 < dav1d> not sure if they hardcoded that :>
04:07 < dav1d> you never know
04:07 < dav1d> anyways too late, need to sleep
04:09 < SinZ> they don't
04:10 < SinZ> all the languages are on the assets server
04:11 < SinZ> http://s3.amazonaws.com/Minecraft.Resources/lang/en_GB.lang
04:13 < SinZ> though chat stuff isn't in language.. =S
04:16 < dx> http://beta.ceilingcat.ch/1.5.2...1.6.2#language
04:19 <+md_5> b.wiki.vg works again btw dx 
04:22 < mbaxter> The client will crash with json error upon getting invalid json, dav1d. Just an instant "nope"
04:23 < dx> md_5: it doesn't include anything except packets and protocol version
04:23 < dx> md_5: but the beta site does
04:23 <+md_5> http://teach.github.com/articles/book-authoring-using-git-and-github/
04:23 <+md_5> hm
04:24 <+md_5> thinking of writing a 'book' about the MC protocol
04:24 < dx> """book"""
04:31 < AlphaBlend> eh
04:31 < AlphaBlend> md_5: wat
04:46 < btilm305> I coded it customly
04:47 < btilm305> Took a crapton of reflections
04:59 < AlphaBlend> dav1d: tsk tsk tsk https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/commit/7099be0f43687e8a6751ab67f640b24bffc15e55
05:00 < AlphaBlend> choosing to develop in a particular style, and running into bugs because of it :(
05:00 < AlphaBlend> of course, i wouldn't blame you for having missed that if i put multiple statements on the same line and forgot braces :D
05:21 < dx> ha
05:21  * dx laughs at dav1d
05:21 < dx> not because of the bug itself, but for having chosen that style
05:27 < AlphaBlend> lol XD
05:27 < AlphaBlend> i'm sure he's experienced enough
05:27 < AlphaBlend> but that style can pop up bugs you don't intend
05:27 < dx> yeah
05:28 < AlphaBlend> i don't think i ever put more than one statement on a single line
05:28 < AlphaBlend> i'm used to having a block with a bracket on the same line the block starts at
05:28 < AlphaBlend> thing is i don't normally use brackets if the block has a single statement in it
05:29 < dx> alphablend left the channel accidentally, let's laugh at him while he's not here!
05:29  * dx lau-
05:29 < dx> dammit
05:29 < AlphaBlend> oh i left on accident
05:29 < AlphaBlend> wtf
05:29 < dx> i have no idea how you did that
05:30 < AlphaBlend> me neither...
05:30 < AlphaBlend> i think i hit a combo
05:30 < AlphaBlend> without realizing it LOL
05:30 < AlphaBlend> silly mIRC
05:30 < dx> a combo?
05:30 < AlphaBlend> key combination
05:30 < dx> do you think this is a game?
05:30 < AlphaBlend> eh, sorry XD
05:31 < dx> speaking of serious fucking business, i wonder if deoxxa is still alive
05:32 < AlphaBlend> who is that? I've heard of the name before, just don't know why i've heard of it
05:33 < dx> not sure what you would know him for, but he wrote libmcnet, a mc protocol parser in C which i particularly like for some reason
05:34 < dx> and it's stuck in 1.4.7
05:36 < dx> okay he's alive and writing stuff like this https://github.com/deoxxa/jesus/
05:38 < AlphaBlend> oh
05:38 < AlphaBlend> O_O
06:08 < btilm305> For all of those who assisted me earlier with chat messages: thanks, I ended up making my own system (copying and pasting from MCP :P), if anyone is interested in the jar contact me
07:07 < btilm305> IS it just me
07:07 < btilm305> or does 1.6.1's ping response give the old 1.3 format
07:08 < dx> derp
07:09 < dx> no it does not, that's just a bug with the vanilla client server list
07:09 < btilm305> :\
07:09 < dx> hence 1.6.2
07:09 < btilm305> this happens with 1.6.1 on craftbukkit also right?
07:09 < dx> it's the client
07:10 < dx> not the server
07:10 < btilm305> I don't care about the client
07:10 < btilm305> I'm reading the packet
07:10 < btilm305> It's giving 1.3 format
07:10 < btilm305> It doesn't give the server version or the protocol version
07:10 < dx> uhm
07:10 < btilm305> it just gives me the motd, and the player count
07:10 < dx> brb re-reading that.
07:14 <+md_5> btilm305 yeah its a bug in vanilla/craftbukkit 1.6.1
07:14 <+md_5> fixed in spigot 1.6.1, and vanilla/craftbukkit 1.6.2
07:15 < dx> yeah looks like i got the description of the bug wrong
07:15 < dx> it was just failing to read the schrodinger byte
07:15 <+md_5> nah
07:16 < btilm305> thanks md_5 :) stupid mojang
07:16 <+md_5> it was resetting the schrodinger byte if it failed to read the 0xFA
07:16 < btilm305> Wait, so if I include 0xFA, and make a three byte packet, it'll work?
07:16 < dx> md_5: oooh
07:16 < btilm305> Wait no that'll screw with everything else
07:16 <+md_5> you have to include the full 0xFA
07:16 < dx> md_5: right, that throws an exception too
07:16 < btilm305> :\
07:16 <+md_5> with MC|ping, the string etc
07:17 <+md_5> so more like a 50 byte packet :p
07:17 < dx> btilm305: why do you send something that doesn't fit the protocol description and expect it to work, anyway?
07:17 < btilm305> does it include the ip?
07:17 < btilm305> if so, bungee just got a whole lot cooler
07:17 < dx> lol
07:17 <+md_5> its only been in bungee for like 2 weeks
07:17 < btilm305> dx: because everyone expects the simplest form of cross-compatibility
07:18 < btilm305> nice
07:18 <+md_5> https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/632fa8bd94680421ce13d4868b030b7617b2e527
07:18 < btilm305> How does bungee read 1.6 chat messages
07:19 < btilm305> with all the json crap
07:19 <+md_5> it doesnt read server to client messages
07:22 < btilm305> Oh derp
07:22 < btilm305> That would be hard :\
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 14 commits to master [+2/-2/±17] http://git.io/-FVA9g
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum e46a98a - Updated to protocol version 73 (1.6.1)
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum 1df9f90 - Added tests for new datatypes
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo dcbaf38 - packet 0x27: leash from bool to int
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 9c3f671 - packet 0x13: added jumpBoost field
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 1ac3e12 - packet 0xfe (ping): updated to support 1.6.1
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 058d6eb - packet 0x64 (OpenWindow): support for the optional entityId field
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo e46fd6f - packet 0x27: leash from int to ubyte
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo c9a081f - client ping fixed
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 767f641 - improved 0x64 packet support, code refactorized using an optional_fields hash
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo cd6b27a - tests fixed: parse properly the new JSON chat messages
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 634af71 - gitignore: added test/npm-debug.log
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo a4ba03d - remove .test.js.swp file
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 8e02b4f - examples updated to work with 1.6.1
08:23 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo c7c4365 - README: version 1.6.1 support, examples updated
08:25 < frostyfrog> O.O
08:25 < frostyfrog> I want a bot like that.
08:29 <+ammar2> and you can have one like that
08:29 <+ammar2> thanks to the magic of notifico
08:29 <+ammar2> frostyfrog: http://n.tkte.ch/
10:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/POMl3A
10:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 7df4073 - Release 0.11.0
10:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo tagged 7df4073 as 0.11.0 http://git.io/s5334Q
11:18 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/mgq3Tg
11:18 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo fe38206 - README: server example code little typo fixed
11:26 < ffmdr> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/FML/commit/c997f2adbc4c11cd8c2abe5f82ccd00b0e954b68 - lol what. I don't even...
11:30 <+md_5> fml.ignoreInvalidMinecraftCertificates  #yolo
11:31 < ffmdr> forge sucks
11:32 < ffmdr> can't get 1.6.2 forge to work
11:38 < ffmdr> forge now wraps minecraft launching and is patching classes on runtime so jar signature still matches #yolo
11:50 <+md_5> ffmdr its ALWAYS done that
11:53 < ffmdr> md_5: yes but now there are these shitty binpatches
11:53 <+md_5> ?
11:54 < jast> hashtags in IRC? are you on drugs? :P
11:55 < ffmdr> md_5: before it was like any other mod with patched minecraft classes
11:56 <+md_5> and now it does that still?
11:56 <+md_5> the classes are just injected at runtime
11:57 < ffmdr> I don't see what was the problem with normal class files like in 1.5.2 forge
11:58 <+md_5> oh
11:59 <+md_5> the forge team loves making work for themselves
12:00 < ffmdr> indeed
12:00 <+md_5> ffmdr its because they want to package as little of MC as possible
12:00 <+md_5> hence why the source is .patch files
12:00 < ffmdr> ah lets compare file sizes
12:01 < ffmdr> 2.0MB vs 1.8MB
12:01 <+md_5> they should have used beat
12:02 <+md_5> https://github.com/md-5/jbeat
12:06 < ffmdr> new forge has permanently broken magiclauncher support
12:06 <+md_5> LOL
12:06 <+md_5> nah
12:06 <+md_5> magic launcher just cant into forge
12:07 < ffmdr> forge support was very good before forge broke everything
12:08 <+md_5> - Use the official launcher to start once Minecraft with the Forge profile.
12:08 <+md_5> - Click "Setup"
12:08 <+md_5> - Select Environment "Forge9.10.X.Y"
12:08 <+md_5> - Click "Advanced"
12:08 <+md_5> - In the field "Parameters" add "-Dfml.ignorePatchDiscrepancies=true"
12:08 <+md_5> thats it
12:09 < ffmdr> meh shitty forge installer
12:10 <+md_5> I've always disliked the way forge was done
12:10 <+md_5> sure the bytecode patching and stuff is nice, but now thats basically half of what mods are about
12:12 < ffmdr> I thing I like about forge is runtime deobf
12:12 < ffmdr> one thing*
12:15 < superjoe> I just looked at the new json for chat messages
12:15 < superjoe> ...the fuck?
12:15 < ffmdr> indeed my friend
12:15 < superjoe> at first I was like hey cool they're being less retarded about the protocol finally
12:15 < jast> 'fml' is such a nice project name
12:16 < superjoe> and then I was like (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
12:16 < superjoe> jast, is 'fml' your project name?
12:17 <+md_5> no
12:17 <+md_5> FML - forge
12:17 < Yoshi2> superjoe: forge mod launcher
12:17 < superjoe> ah
12:17 <+md_5> loader I think
12:17 < jast> a subsidiary of fmylife.com
12:18 < ffmdr> superjoe:  ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
12:18 < superjoe> haha
12:20 < Yoshi2> I wish I could trow over my table
12:21 < Yoshi2> but the legs are stabilized behind a piece of furniture, so moving it is very difficult
12:21 < ffmdr> also does anyone know what was the problem with 1.6.1 mcp mappings?
12:23 <+md_5> yea
12:23 <+md_5> there were some duplicates
12:24 < ffmdr> what exactly was duplicated
12:25 <+md_5> mappings
12:25 <+md_5> ie one to many
12:26 < ffmdr> lol
12:29 < ffmdr> so thats why optifine update started with 'fixing mcp mappings'
12:36 < ffmdr> md_5: iirc you were saying some time ago that you wanted to get spigot on mcp bukkit, right?
12:36 <+md_5> mm
12:36 < ffmdr> any progress on this D: ?
12:40 < ffmdr> @md_5
12:59 <+md_5> no, still gotta decide when/if  -- breaking NMS plugins is an issue
13:05 < ffmdr> maybe runtime deobfuscation forge-style if you really care about NMS plugins
13:05 < ffmdr> https://bitbucket.org/mstrobel/procyon/wiki/Java%20Decompiler - that's pretty cool! It aims to be better than fernflower and open source.
13:09 < ffmdr> throwing minecraft at it :D
13:13 < ffmdr> it handled it pretty well
13:15 < Yoshi2> but can you recompile the decompiled code and receive a running programm again?
13:17 < ffmdr> Yoshi2: shhh
13:20 < ffmdr> Yoshi2: I'll try to recompile in a moment
13:23 < Yoshi2> I know that JAD couldn't create compileable code when I decompiled a classic minecraft launcher to change a bit of code two years ago
13:31 < ffmdr> if it could decompile minecraft as good as fernflower...
13:33 < ffmdr> ok let's decompile it and use srg2source on it
13:34 < ffmdr> meh decompiler errors
13:38 < ffmdr> on the class it fails, jd-gui segfaults 
13:41 < dav1d> jd-gui segfaults? o.O
13:41 < dav1d> isn't it written in java?
13:43 < ffmdr> no
13:43 < ffmdr> it is c++ with gtk
13:43 < dav1d> mh then it's a conicidence that it has the same ugly style as java for me
13:44 < jast> you can write java in any language :/
15:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 3 commits to master [+1/-0/±6] http://git.io/wS0m4w
15:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 338b28a - Add segfault handler on linux
15:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 53e9e14 - add is_running to snooper
15:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde ba62172 - make module-ctor registering segfault handler shared
16:46 < ffmdr> is Minecraft.Download a maven repo?
17:20 < TkTech> I'll be moving wiki.vg today.
17:21 < TkTech> kev009 has been a good host but has been hard to get a hold of and doesn't appear to have time to commit towards it, such as fixing mail verification and adding CAPTCHA to slow the account spam.
17:22 < TkTech> Any objections, suggestions or other comments, let me know in the next few hours.
17:25 <+pdelvo> are you hosting it now?
17:26 < TkTech> No, kev009 is.
17:26 < iBotPeaches> I think he meant now as in, after the move :)
17:26 < TkTech> (And he's also refused to redirect mc.kev009.com to wiki.vg, so we have duplicate domains and thousands of mixed up links.
17:27 < dav1d> TkTech: are you going to host it?
17:27 <+pdelvo> who is hosting it after the move :D So we know who to ping if it is down :D
17:27 < dav1d> I think he meant that
17:27 < TkTech> Myself, it will be on ec2 on its own instance and a few others will have shell access to assist when I'm not around.
17:30 < iBotPeaches> sounds good
17:32 <+ammar2> TkTech: I see a fair bit of people who still use the old mc.kev009 link, what about them
17:34 < TkTech> ammar2: Dem' be fucked, aye.
17:34 < TkTech> I've asked kev009 many, many times to set it up to redirect to the main domain.
17:34 < TkTech> Or at least add a robot.txt so google stops indexing it.
17:35 <+ammar2> suppose so. We could add a notice on top of the wiki if kev doesn't mind I guess
17:37 < buttscicles> could replace the wiki landing page with a html redirect or something
17:38 < TkTech> Don't think anyone has enough access to the templates to do that.
17:38 < TkTech> I'm going to do a 3-year reserved large instance.
17:38 < TkTech> Which should be enough for us to grow for quite awhile.
17:39 < mbaxter> Can't you add a giant notice on the old?
17:39 < TkTech> That we can probably do, plus protect all the main pages.
17:54 < ffmdr> is it possible to use minecraft.download from s3 in maven as dependency?
17:57 < ffmdr> could not find anything after googling 'maven dependency from http'
18:40 < ffmdr> is it a bug that minecraft is trying to set window icon to file which doesn't exist ?
18:41 < ffmdr> Display.setIcon(new ByteBuffer[] {this.func_110439_b(new File(this.field_110446_Y, "/icons/icon_16x16.png")), this.func_110439_b(new File(this.field_110446_Y, "/icons/icon_32x32.png"))});
18:42 < Dinnerbone> You don't have icons/icon_16x16.png when you run it using our launcher, ffmdr?
18:42 < Dinnerbone> Inside assets
18:43 < ffmdr> well I am pretty sure it isn't inside assets directory in jar
18:43 < Dinnerbone> No not in the jar
18:43 < Dinnerbone> In .minecraft/assets/
18:43 < Dinnerbone> Which is kept up to date using the launcher
18:46 < ffmdr> ah it's downloaded by the launcher (I was developing with MCP)
18:46 < ffmdr> but launching with minecraft launcher gives me ? icon on taskbar
18:46 < Dinnerbone> OS?
18:46 < ffmdr> ubuntu, unity
18:50 < ffmdr> I understand that lang files are updated often, but what's the deal with sounds? They were always downloaded separately or in background
19:24 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/1Aa07w
19:24 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde fb90b40 - prettify build_brala.d output
19:24 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 36a9c27 - build glfw in build_brala.d, add "clean" option
19:24 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 6c1baec - implemented gdc and ldc for build_brala
19:25 < SinZ> sounds have no need to be outdated
19:29 < ffmdr> so why they aren't in minecraft.jar/assets
19:46 <+clonejo> ffmdr: So you don't have to download them with every update.
19:53 < SinZ> they are in assets
19:53 < SinZ> assets are NOT in the jar
20:22 < ffmdr> assets are in jar
20:22 < ffmdr> there are jar assets and launcher assets
21:55 < TkTech> And I'm back, minus about $600-$700.
21:55 < TkTech> We have a large and beefy database server reserved for 3 years.
21:56 < mbaxter> neato
21:56 < TkTech> And a couple of mediums reserved for 3 years for the wiki itself.
21:57 <+sadimusi> very nice
21:57 < TkTech> Would anyone object to me adding a small donation button in the corner of the landing page once everything is smooth and going? Unlikely to get more than $1 but worth a try.
21:58 < TkTech> Oh, and I'll plop znc on one of them to save myself money on a micro instance which anyone in #mcdevs can use.
21:58 < TkTech> (Again, assuming no one objections. I prefer when the majority rules for mcdevs issues)
21:58 <+clonejo> TkTech: Do you know Flattr?
21:59 < TkTech> clonejo: I do, I thought it was dead?
21:59 < dexter00> so if we donate we can get a bouncer account?
21:59 < TkTech> dexter00: You can get a bouncer anyways, assuming you don't just join #mcdevs, get one, and leave.
21:59 < TkTech> I'll never make anyone pay for community stuff.
22:10 < ffmdr> is it possible to remap mods from one minecraft versions to another using SpecialSource?
22:11 < ffmdr> 1.6.1 obf'd name -> MCP name -> 1.6.2 obf'd name
22:11 < TkTech> dexter00: Actually, do you think that's a good incentive?
22:12 < TkTech> dexter00: One time donation (of any amount) for a lifetime bouncer?
22:12 < dexter00> I'd donate for that.
22:15 < TkTech> I'll work that out once the wiki is all properly set up. Need to integrate it a bit to make it 100% transparent.
22:24 < ffmdr> I tried to remap modloader from 1.6.1 to 1.6.2 with SpecialSource. It crashes on game start, so close :D
22:24 < ffmdr> ping md_5
22:26 < Morrolan> Moving to a new wiki?
22:27 < Yoshi2> Morrolan: more importantly, moving to a new server
22:28 < Morrolan> Is the old one unreliable, or not getting paid for anymore?
22:29 < TkTech> Maintainer is more or less AWOL, and every time it's gone down we haven't been able to reach him for more than a day.
22:29 < TkTech> Plus various other issues, like not redirecting mc.kev009, fixing verification mails, captcha to help with the spam
22:29 < TkTech> Not giving anyone else access to the server
22:30 < Morrolan> Ah, that's quite annoying.
22:30 < TkTech> I've moved it to EC2 and gotten 3 year reservations on a large instance for the database and workers and a 3 year reservation for a couple of mediums for the wiki proper.
22:31 < TkTech> Which should be ample room for us to grow going forward, and a few volunteers that have been around forever and are willing to swap contact details will be given access to the wiki servers as well.
22:31 < TkTech> Hopefully across multiple time zones.
22:36 <+clonejo> I'm UTC+1/2.
22:44 < SinZ> I'm UTC+10/11
22:46 <+sadimusi> UTC +1/2 as well here
22:46 <+sadimusi> or should it be UTC + 1.5 ± 0.5?
22:47 <+pdelvo> I think it would be better to write the times everyone is around then just posting time zones :D
22:47 < TkTech> Anyone whose interested in volunteering should email me (tk@tkte.ch) with their timezone, nickname here, and contact (email, phone, name).
22:48 <+clonejo> s/whose/who is/
22:49 < iBotPeaches> kansas <3
23:00 < [Frost]> Do empty chunks still take as much disk space as completely full ones?
23:01 < [Frost]> I recall they used to
23:02 < ffmdr> I don't think so
23:04 < Yoshi2> I'm sure that the chunks are compressed before storing them on the disk drive, so they shouldn't take up so much space
23:05 < Thinkofdeath> Also empty sections (16x16x16) are not saved if they are all air
23:06 < ffmdr> does anyone have modloader src code?
23:07 < dx> modloader still exists?
23:07 < dx> i thought they replaced it with forge
23:07 < ffmdr> forge is a cancer
23:08 < ffmdr> can I use forge mod loader without this fancy runtime patching and deobfuscation shit?
23:10 < dx> probably, but this is the wrong place to ask about that stuff
23:10 < ffmdr> right
23:11 < dx> you'll have to deal with the cancer, sorry :(
23:11 < dx> i think i'm banned from the forge channel because someone told me to join, ping some guy called "mexlanos" and see what happens
23:12 < ffmdr> haha
23:12 < ffmdr> lexmanos*
23:12 < dx> close enough
23:12 < ffmdr> I think I could copy FML source code and apply patches on MCP
23:15 < [Frost]> To all whom interested: $ ls -l | awk '{sum += $5} END { print "Average region file size = ", sum/NR}'
23:15 < [Frost]> Average region file size =  2.10697e+06
23:16 < [Frost]> 2009.4MB, could that be right?
23:16 < [Frost]> Nevermind, not really
23:25 < [Frost]> Miscalculating, 2MB is the average for my server
23:47 < winny> did anybody notice that when a minecraft client sends Server List Pings, it appears to try different revisions?
23:56 < [Frost]> winny, do you mean the pre-1.3 format?
23:57 < winny> i'll share my wireshark pcap
23:57 < [Frost]> Any idea how much ram 1000 chunks use by the way?
23:57 < dx> depends on the implementation
23:58 < [Frost]> .mca, unedited spigot
23:58 < dx> 'unedited' lol
23:59 < dx> well bukkit and spigot have some nice 'palette' of blocks so... it also depends on the amount of block types inside those chunks
23:59 < dexter00> the on disk format has nothing to do with RAM consumed when it is loaded.
--- Day changed mer. juil. 10 2013
00:02 < winny> https://bytesadism.org/~winston/upload/minecraft.pcapng.gz
00:02 < [Frost]> dx, obviously, not edited BY US
00:03 < winny> the data sent over ipv6 is not the minecraft client, but me testing some php functions I wrote
00:03 < dx> [Frost]: yes i know, but spigot probably has a bunch of optimizations in that area, so.. you should be asking them, not us
00:03 < dx> although some spigot devs are lurking here
00:16 < winny> also it's awfully weird how all these packets have bad cheksums
00:17 < winny> oh, nevermind
00:18 < winny> presumably it's because it's on loopback?
00:20 < TkTech> Revision history for Protocol is huuuuuuge.
00:21 < SinZ> there is some duplicate stuff in the protocol history page though
00:21 < TkTech> It seems like the normal page import process replays the history on a page, so it's taking quite some time.
00:22 < TkTech> Only up to April 2012
00:22 <+md_5> <TkTech> [06:09:02] dexter00: One time donation (of any amount) for a lifetime bouncer?
00:23 <+md_5> considering I have been running  a free bouncer service with around 30-40 active users over the last three months, complete with custom RDNS, I think no
00:24 < TkTech> md_5: Sorry, what?
00:24 <+md_5> I dont see why you should need to pay for a bouncer
00:24  * md_5 stares at all the free bouncer services
00:24 < TkTech> I think you should read the backlog and not skim it.
00:26 <+md_5> <ffmdr> [06:07:57] is it possible to remap mods from one minecraft versions to another using SpecialSource?
00:26 <+md_5> ffmdr yeah its possible
00:26 <+md_5> basically
00:26 <+md_5> get modloader in Searge form
00:27 <+md_5> and then get the 1.6.2 searge to obf   (java -jar SpecialSoruce.jar --reverse joined.srg -s mcp2obf.srg)
00:27 <+md_5> and then apply those mappins
00:27 <+md_5> if any method paramaters changed though, it will break for obvious reasons
00:33 <+clonejo> Stance and Y aren't swapped anymore in Player Look, are they?
00:35 <+md_5> nope
01:36 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/7qYX-Q
01:36 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn abed89f - Fix build problems
01:46 < barneygale> so is anyone building anything interesting?
01:48 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/BpHGEw
01:48 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 357b393 - Tabs to spaces
01:51 < dx> barneygale: i joined #ModCubeWorld on esper which is a surprisingly big group of people wanting to mod a minecraft-like game that was released last week or so. i wanted to check their network protocol but they are working on it already
01:52 < dx> aaaand it looks pretty shitty already https://github.com/Project-Kube/Project-Kube/wiki/Network-Protocol
01:53 < dav1d> dx: well it isn't minecrafty at all?
01:53 < dx> dav1d: i think you got the negations backwards there
01:53 < dav1d> eh
01:53 < dav1d> it is minecrafty
01:53 < dx> yeah
01:53 < dav1d> but not like minecraft
01:54 < dav1d> simply voxelbased
01:54 < dx> oh, that, i thought you meant the protocol
01:54 < dav1d> project-kube.de – german :>
01:54 < barneygale> crikey
01:54 < dx> yeah the only thing it has in common with minecraft is the voxels
01:54 < dx> ...and the shitty protocol design
01:54 < barneygale> remember when we used to figure out the minecraft protocol mostly-by-hand, without burger and often without decompiling?
01:54 < barneygale> dark days
01:55 < dx> heh, i wasn't around for that
01:55 < dx> this one isn't even java, so yeah, looks like it will be mostly by hand too
01:55 < barneygale> ah it thought you were quite an oldy
01:56 < dx> --- Log opened Sun Feb 06 23:00:41 2011
01:56 < dx> not *that* old
01:56 < barneygale> not too far off me, I was dec 2010 iirc
01:56 < barneygale> how long has this channel been around?
01:57 < dx> Registered : Dec 06 11:23:10 2010 (2 years, 30 weeks, 6 days, 12:33:42 ago)
01:57 < dx> well uh..
01:57 < barneygale> hah yes!
01:57 <+Ac-town> good ol' days
01:57 < dx> maybe i am old after all
01:57 < dav1d> dx: but a different nick?
01:58 < dav1d> dx doesn't sound that familiar
01:58 < dav1d> dequis neither
01:58 <+Ac-town> dx: cubeworld might have the same effect as minecraft
01:58 < dx> nah, i just lurked constantly and rarely talked
01:58 < dav1d> but I am just a newbi
01:58 <+Ac-town> its two dudes atm and they really need help with the website/server
01:58 <+Ac-town> but they don't want help
01:58 < dx> Ac-town: indeed
01:58 <+Ac-town> so people can only buy the game in short spurts
01:58 <+Ac-town> it's very funny to watch
01:58 < dx> well, one dude and his wife
01:59 <+Ac-town> don't forget the ddoses
01:59 < dav1d> man how would I like to be this "dude"
01:59 < dav1d> not cube world in particular, but a project, my own project, which people enjoy
01:59 <+Ac-town> dx: s/dude/two people/
01:59 < dx> brala enterprise edition
01:59 < dav1d> just a toy and a copy 
01:59 < dav1d> no original idea
02:00 < dx> well there are tons of minecraft clones that people ignored
02:00 < dx> it's rare to see one that 'succeeds' like it seems to have happened with this one
02:00 < dav1d> yeah
02:00 < barneygale> yeah minecraft caught on because it was different, not because lol blocks
02:00 <+Ac-town> there was ace of spades that was okay
02:00 <+Ac-town> then jagex bought them and fucked it up
02:00 < dx> yeah ace of spades was sort of promising
02:01 <+Ac-town> looked cool, worked well
02:01 <+Ac-town> but didn't go any where and then jagex remade it in java I think?
02:01 <+Ac-town> not sure
02:01 <+Ac-town> but its on steam now lol
02:01 < dx> lol
02:02 < TkTech> dx: Nope, you're young. :)
02:02 < TkTech> dx: This channel used to be #mcc on freenode, and before that #mcc on esper.
02:02 < barneygale> that explains it
02:02 < dx> TkTech: oh okay, thought so
02:03 <+md_5> what language is cubeworld
02:03 < barneygale> I didn't think I joined when it was new hah
02:03 < TkTech> Okay guys, time to break the wiki! http://beta.wiki.vg/
02:03 < dx> md_5: c++ i think
02:03 <+Ac-town> md_5: I think C#
02:03 <+Ac-town> but i'm not sure
02:03 < dav1d> xD
02:03 < TkTech> This is the beta and could use a few people to play around with it to find any bugs.
02:04 <+Ac-town> they hard coded the port for the games networking
02:04 < barneygale> TkTech: what's different?
02:04 < TkTech> The biggest change is that by default your accounts are no longer autoconfirmed.
02:04 < barneygale> oh thank fuck for that
02:04 < TkTech> Any confirmed user can confirm any other user.
02:04 < dav1d> do the old still exist?
02:04 <+md_5> where is the buy button
02:04 < barneygale> I for one welcome the return of a usable Special:RecentChanges
02:04 < dx> md_5: it's hidden, you can't buy it
02:04 < TkTech> dav1d: Yes, I won't swap the domains until it's stable.
02:04 <+md_5> wat
02:04 <+md_5> then how do I play it
02:04 < dav1d> k
02:04 <+Ac-town> for cubeworld? they only have registration/buy for a short period of time
02:05 <+Ac-town> before they claim "ddos"
02:05 <+md_5> ....
02:05 <+Ac-town> or server issues of some sort
02:05 < dx> md_5: apparently the server can't handle the traffic of people buying it, so it's either borrow account from a friend or use it illegally
02:05 <+Ac-town> its funny to watch
02:05 <+md_5> great business model
02:05 < dav1d> wasn't that on kickstarter?
02:05 < dx> yeah it's terrible
02:05 < dav1d> also their html is broken
02:05 <+md_5> hm
02:05 <+Ac-town> the main dude hasn't said anything on twitter for a few days
02:05 <+md_5> what if I ddos them until they let me buy it
02:05 <+md_5> O.PO
02:05 <+Ac-town> and his network graphs showed up to 100mbps
02:05 <+Ac-town> which isn't much...
02:05 < dav1d> http://vp.dav1d.de/img/Bx8 fix pls
02:06 <+Ac-town> md_5: yeah, they'll just keep having this issue
02:06 < dx> Ac-town: it's enough if you have only one pipe on a cheap server lol
02:06 <+Ac-town> granted it makes it seem like its harder to get
02:06 <+md_5> Cloudflare!
02:06 <+Ac-town> so theres hype
02:06 <+md_5> I love how my server actually gets more than the 100mbps I pay for :D
02:06 <+Ac-town> yeah I suggested that
02:06 < dx> yeah, cloudflare ftw
02:06 < dav1d> there is a lot of hype
02:06 < dav1d> like 5 mindcrackers started it
02:06 <+Ac-town> but really, you can get a gig serer for cheap
02:06 < dav1d> that's like a half million viewers seeing it
02:06 < dav1d> which are telling friends and so on
02:06 <+Ac-town> s/serer/server/
02:06 < dav1d> and that is only mindcrack
02:07 < TkTech> I remember mindcrack, DDoS'd me like 20 times.
02:07 <+md_5>  Login error
02:07 <+md_5> There is no user by the name "md_5". Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account.
02:07 < TkTech> md_5: Accounts be purged, mon. Can't get on the original server, can't get the original accounts.
02:07 < TkTech> On the plus side, that nukes the 500+ spam accounts.
02:07 <+md_5> ...............................................................................................................................................................
02:07 < dx> what about edit history of posts?
02:08 < TkTech> Edit history is still there except for the main page.
02:08 <+md_5> so if I create an account of the same name I will keep my massive contributions list :3
02:08 < TkTech> Correct.
02:08 <+md_5> also no email
02:08 <+md_5> (when registering no field to enter email)
02:08 < TkTech> Correct, no buggy, usually broken email confirmation.
02:09 <+md_5> http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:Contributions/Md_5
02:09 <+md_5> confirm please
02:09 < TkTech> The idea is that any user here can confirm anyone that asks.
02:09 < dav1d> TkTech: how can they ddos you?
02:09 < TkTech> dav1d: They linked to my skins site once upon a time in their video descriptions.
02:09 < dx> there, i'm "dx"
02:09 < dav1d> haha
02:09 < Drainedsoul> wait why is there a beta wiki
02:09 < dx> TkTech: so that's like saying that dinnerbro or jeb ddos'd you
02:10 < dx> lol.
02:10 < TkTech> Don't think either of them played Minecraft at that point.
02:10 <+md_5> Number of edits:	0 
02:10 <+md_5> .).
02:10 < TkTech> dx & md_5, confirmed.
02:10 < dav1d> http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Dav1d
02:10 <+md_5> ty
02:10 < dav1d> TkTech: ^
02:10 < dx> \o/
02:10 < dx> i don't like how mediawiki always capitalizes the 'd' in my name
02:10 < dav1d> http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:Contributions/Dav1d
02:10 < TkTech> md_5: I'll try to update the counts, still going through all the tools.
02:10 <+md_5> edits didnt come over |:|
02:11 < dav1d> if that link means somehting lol
02:11 < dx> TkTech: also edit history of the main page seems to sort-of still be there
02:11 <+md_5> yeah http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:Contributions/Md_5
02:11 < dav1d> mh
02:11 < TkTech> md_5: Edits are there, http://beta.wiki.vg/index.php?title=Protocol&action=history
02:11 < dav1d> I didn't have to enter my email?
02:12 < dx> i think i just confirmed dav1d
02:12 < dav1d> lol
02:12 < dav1d> ?
02:12 < dx> unless someone else did before
02:12 <+md_5> make it reindex all contriutions?
02:12 < dav1d> should I get a notice?
02:12 < TkTech> dav1d: You did, correct.
02:12 < Drainedsoul> can I be confirmed :>
02:12 < TkTech> md_5: That's what I'm looking for, as I said.
02:12 < dav1d> TkTech: what?
02:12 < dav1d> TkTech: I didn't enet an email
02:12 < dav1d> *enter
02:12 < dav1d> I'd remember that, hopefully
02:12 < TkTech> dav1d: Sorry, meant to say *dx: You did, correct.
02:12 < dav1d> ah
02:12 < dx> Drainedsoul: done
02:12 < barneygale> http://beta.wiki.vg/User:barneygale
02:13 < barneygale> please confirm
02:13 < dx> done
02:13 < barneygale> thanks!
02:13 < Drainedsoul> "{"text":[{"bold":true,"text":["Drainedsoul"]},{"bold":true,"text":[":"]}," ","broken"]}" <== anyone have any idea why this comes out all bold?
02:13  * dx is doing this just to feel like he has some sort of power
02:13 < TkTech> You don't need to enter an email any more. You just follow the link on the login page and ask for confirmation from any existing confirmed user.
02:13 < TkTech> It's basically MediaWiki's "manual confirmation" process, except crowdsourced.
02:14 < dav1d> I think I just found a bug
02:14 < dav1d> http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:Preferences/Barneygale as user *dav1d*
02:14 < dav1d> it shows me the status of barneygale but with my name
02:15 < dx> it's probably because you can't edit the preferences of other people
02:15 < TkTech> Pretty sure that's just a MediaWiki thing.
02:15 < barneygale> yeah dav1d 
02:15 < barneygale> not a hole I don't think
02:15 < dav1d> interesting
02:15 < barneygale> try and edit me if you want tho
02:15 < dx> how did you get that link?
02:15 < dav1d> barneygale: did your theme just change?
02:15 < dav1d> dx: copy&paste
02:15 < dav1d> just messing around
02:16 < barneygale> nope
02:16 < dx> lol
02:16 < dav1d> I changed the theme
02:16 < dav1d> ok
02:16 < barneygale> did yours? because otherwise themes aren't working :P
02:16 < dav1d> yes
02:16 < dav1d> well
02:16 < dx> anyway http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:UserRights
02:16 < dav1d> the theme is broken
02:16 < TkTech> It doesn't matter what's after it. http://beta.wiki.vg/Special:Preferences/dfewfriejwfie
02:16 < dx> this is the url to approve new users
02:16 < dav1d> TkTech: I could see his status
02:16 < TkTech> No, you saw your own.
02:16 < dav1d> strange
02:16 < dav1d> no
02:16 < dav1d> I was confirmed, but I saw unconfirmed
02:16 < dav1d> maybe someone was messing with my rights?
02:17 < dav1d> anyways doesn't matter I guess
02:17 < dx> well, i can't unconfirm
02:17 < TkTech> dx: Correct.
02:17 < TkTech> (That's intentional and it tells you as much on the rights page :P)
02:18 < dx> yep, it's pretty obvious "Groups you cannot change"
02:18 < dx> it would be like giving anyone the right to ban users
02:18 < TkTech> I think this should work okay. It's a 3 second process and there's what, 100+ of us?
02:19 < TkTech> Eliminates spam and makes sure new users know the channel exists.
02:19 < dx> yeah, seems perfect to me
02:19 < dav1d> that's why you want it so bad mh mh mhhhhhhhhh
02:21 < dx> TkTech: you might want to add the UserRights url to the topic
02:21 < dav1d> why?
02:22 < dav1d> enough people know of it already, if the voiced know that, that's enough?
02:22 < TkTech> I'm moving mcdevs.org to wiki.vg as well, will detail the process on there.
02:23 < TkTech> After the 3 year reservation costs and the costs for this month, I'll be paying $800 this month.
02:23 < TkTech> So the more servers I can eliminate the better :)
02:24 < dx> is mcdevs.org anything other than a few static pages?
02:24 < TkTech> Nope!
02:24 < TkTech> Just a handful of markdown files.
02:24 < TkTech> Really the only thing that needs to be ported is the channel rules.
02:24 < TkTech> And probably the intro blurb.
02:24 < dav1d> phew
02:25 < TkTech> I'm heading home now, if anyone can think of any changes they'd like that could improve it, or if anyone could be kind enough to copy over the mcdevs.org related stuff that would be fantastic.
02:27 < dav1d> suddenly silence :>
02:28 < dx> copy over? errr how
02:28 < Drainedsoul> since there's silence maybe someone could look at my JSON question :>
02:28 < dx> json? what's that?
02:28 < dx> we don't talk about json here
02:28 < Drainedsoul> U+00A7 formatting 4eva?
02:28 < dx> of course!
02:29 < Drainedsoul> the U+00A7 system would've been fine if it had reasonable escaping and behaviour
02:31 < dx> agree
02:32 < dx> that message needs either an "i" at the beginning or a "d" at the end.
02:32 < dx> but whatever.
02:33 < dx> Drainedsoul: it wouldn't have solved the problem with translations anyway
03:06 < TkTech> dx: … copy paste ...
03:11 < dx> TkTech: to the wiki?
03:11 < dexter00> Can I get a confirmation pls? http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Dexter0
03:12 < dx> done
03:12 < dexter00> ty
03:15 < Drainedsoul> So no one knows why the text is all bold? :<
03:16 < dx> actually i didn't even read the original question
03:18 < dx> Drainedsoul: okay, reviewed your json, and there's something i can say for sure
03:18 < dx> Drainedsoul: i have no idea what's wrong with it
03:19 < dx> Drainedsoul: but now i'm really curious to read how the client parses this crap (or the server, for that matter.)
03:23 < Drainedsoul> Okay just wanted to make sure I wasn't insane, I'll fool around with it
03:23 < Drainedsoul> thanks >: ]
03:28 < dx> Drainedsoul: but yeah, the reason they picked json was because "writing a markup parser doent take 5 minutes". so yeah, this isn't surprising at all.
03:34 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 2 commits to fucksignals [+0/-0/±6] http://git.io/R2RqgQ
03:34 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 163c691 - updated glwtf, using glwtf.signals instead of std.signals
03:34 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 8483f56 - lolshit
03:35 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/MPG8Vg
03:35 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 163c691 - updated glwtf, using glwtf.signals instead of std.signals
03:54 < Drainedsoul> as always, Mojang's decision-making process and execution is impeccable.
03:55 < Drainedsoul> should I file a bug or wait 'till Grum or Dinner is around?
03:55 < dx> definitely file a bug
03:55 < dx> unless there's one already
03:56 < Drainedsoul> how would I find a bug about this issue :T
03:56 < dx> search json?
03:56 < Drainedsoul> brilliant !
03:56 < dx> lol
03:59 < dx> there was a bug about a related issue that got "fixed" for 1.6.2, so i suspect they don't have proper unit tests for the rendering of this (which makes sense, making unit tests for rendering isn't trivial)
04:00 < Drainedsoul> yeah the colour issue?
04:00 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2064 2 files : Renamed AddWorldPopup tab "Generator" to "Generate", for consistency.
04:01 < dx> "the" issue? :D
04:02 < Drainedsoul_3> Someone else and I talked about that but they made the bug report 
04:03 < dx> Drainedsoul_3: yeah, iBotPeaches reported this one that was marked as fixed
04:04 < Drainedsoul_3> Yeah the example was mine. I'm loath to file a bug report just because I hate revealing my real name in otherwise anonymous contexts...call me old fashioned 
04:11 < dx> Drainedsoul_3: errr i don't think that's needed
04:11 < Drainedsoul_3> Atlassian says it's mandatory to sign up 
04:11 < dx> they won't review it to verify that it's a real name
04:12 < dx> i think i just wrote "dx dx"
04:13 < Drainedsoul> oh sweet thanks
04:13 < dx> yep http://dump.dequis.org/J-f_Y.png
04:13 < dx> i'm just "dx"
04:13 < Drainedsoul> cool
04:14 < dx> the only websites i've seen that *really* care about real names are google+ and some domain registry services (but just some of them)
04:14 < Drainedsoul> I think *.ca is strict about it, which is awful because they actually make that publicly available >: \
04:15 < dx> do they?
04:16 < Drainedsoul> yes
04:17 < Drainedsoul> I was sued over some stuff on my web server, and I'm pretty sure that's where they got my real name/address from
04:17 < dx> just whois'd the .ca domains that two of my friends registered, there's no contact information available. did the same for the domain you're connecting from, same result
04:17 < Drainedsoul> weird it used to be in whois >: |
04:17 < Drainedsoul> and they send out notices every year saying get your info correct and up to date or else
04:17 < dx> well, every domain registrar asks for contact info
04:18 <+clonejo> Could someone confirm me? http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Clonejo
04:18 < dx> they might or might not show it, and most CCTLDs allow using 'whoisguard'-like services
04:18 < Drainedsoul> I know I used to be able to get at it through whois, maybe they changed that policy
04:18 < dx> clonejo: done
04:18 <+clonejo> thx
04:22 <+clonejo> Now I have to redo my last edit :P
04:29 <+ammar2> TkTech: confirm please http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Ammaraskar
04:30 < TkTech> ammar2: You don't have to ping me, any other confirmed user can confirm others.
04:30 < TkTech> ammar2: (but done)
04:30 < dx> ah damn, i was doing that too
04:33 < TkTech> Off to sleep, very tired.
04:33 < TkTech> On the list for tomorrow, assuming no other issues arise:
04:33 < TkTech> 1. Update wiki.vg to point to the new server.
04:34 < TkTech> 2. Change the db prefix on beta.wiki.vg to continue using it as a playground.
04:34 < dx> also, http://www.wiki.vg/Special:Log daaaaamn
04:34 < TkTech> 3. Add a notice to mc.kev009.com that we no longer use that wiki and Protect the common pages.
04:35 < TkTech> 4. Clean up, update, and copy over mcdevs.org content to a namespace on wiki.vg
04:35 < TkTech> 5. Redirect mcdevs.org to wiki.vg
04:35 < TkTech> 6. Update channel topic to point to new rules.
04:36 <+md_5> why cant we just host mcdevs.org on the new box
04:36 < TkTech> It already is. I moved it without anyone even noticing.
04:36 < TkTech> Using one wiki just makes it less to maintain.
04:37 < TkTech> dx: Yeah, getting a bit sick of it. At least now I can cull spam signups and the confirmation system should nuke spam edits entirely.
04:37 < TkTech> I will *not* miss undoing and banning all of those.
04:40 < dx> i like the current mcdevs.org but it's probably only for aesthetic reasons
04:42 < dx> i mean, having it as part of the wiki is a good idea, it's just that i'd miss the minimalistic non-wiki style it has
04:44 <+md_5> I disagree with it being moved, basically on the grounds of what dx said
04:47 < dx> md_5: i didn't disagree since it could be solved (and get the advantages of the wiki). i believe mediawiki allows setting per-namespace CSS, would that be fine?
04:49 <+md_5> I dont see any compelling argument to remote it
04:49 <+md_5> remove
04:50 < dx> md_5: well... it still says "Note: With the death of cia.vc, we are seeking a viable replacement. Please offer your suggestion in the channel"
04:51 < dx> md_5: the git repo includes an updated version but tktech didn't update the actual site, for some reason. it's better if we don't have to rely on that and use the wiki instead if changes are needed.
04:53 < dx> of course it could be solved with some git hooks to re-render the static site with whatever tool it uses, but that overlaps with the wiki.
07:14 < Drainedsoul> can anyone recommend a good Unix for dev?
07:14 < dexter0> OS X
07:15 < Drainedsoul> yeah it crashed when I tried to d/l XCode onto it (running in VMWare Workstation 9)
07:18 < Grum> hackintosh is hacky
07:18 < AlphaBlend> hi grum
07:23 < Grum> hi
07:23 <+md_5> Ubuntu
07:24 < Drainedsoul> Unix, not Linux
07:25 <+ammar2> Drainedsoul: out of curiousity, why not a unix-like?
07:25 < Drainedsoul> kqueue vs. epoll
07:30 < AlphaBlend> Grum: So what kind of changes required for the plugin API would you guys like to accomplish for 1.7?
07:32 < Grum> we'll at least be tackling the ui system, as there is none :p
07:33 < Grum> we got some left-over work to do from the resourcepacks
07:33 < AlphaBlend> o.o
07:34 < AlphaBlend> i'd imagine
07:34 < AlphaBlend> the vanilla resource pack exchange feature isn't working yet
07:34 < AlphaBlend> server -> client thing, i mean
07:43 < dx> Drainedsoul: you should have asked for a BSD then, because that's pretty much all the non-linux unix that exists. and linux is an implementation of unix, you seem to imply that it's something else
07:45 < dx> (i guess "implementation of posix" would be more correct)
07:46 < Drainedsoul> yeah that's the difference I was getting at.  I'm specifically after a Unix.  Any recommendations on which BSD to use?
07:50 < dx> err... posix is just a standarization of unix
07:50 < dx> but whatever.
07:51 < dx> i've never saw any reason to use a BSD but the options are always either freebsd/openbsd
07:51 < dx> (or mac OS X lol)
07:53 < dx> iirc freebsd has the biggest community and openbsd likes to pretend they don't have security issues ever
07:59 < rom1504> nobody use it so nobody has issue :)
08:41 < frostyfrog> Drainedsoul: How about BSD?
08:42 < frostyfrog> er... nvm. already suggested. :S
08:46 < dx> frostyfrog: lol, just "BSD" doesn't mean anything
08:51 < ffmdr> md_5: hi
08:55 < ffmdr> md_5: any idea why remapping mod from 1.6.1 to mcp and from mcp to 1.6.2 with SpecialSource doesn't really work? Is it even a good idea?
09:17 <+md_5> ffmdr probably because you are doing it wrong
09:17 <+md_5> (read up)
09:17 < ffmdr> lol
09:17 < ffmdr> what could go wrong
09:18 < ffmdr> first remap to 161.srg so jar is deobfed, and then remap to -r 162.srg
09:18 < ffmdr> (I actually used all conf directories not only .srg)
09:20 < ffmdr> md_5: ?
09:36 < ffmdr> so...
09:37 < dx> ffmdr: you're doing it wrong
09:37 < Calinou> dll...
09:38 < dx> Calinou: you're doing it even more wrong
09:38 < ffmdr> dx: mhm
09:39 < Calinou> dylib...
10:13 < AlphaModder> anyone got an idea of what kind of DataInput packet 0x3F is?
10:35 < Thinkofdeath> http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Thinkofdeath Could I be confirmed please?
10:36 <+pdelvo> me too please: http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Pdelvo
10:37 < jast> Drainedsoul: today's BSDs are not officially Unixes either, they're Unix-likes
10:38 < dx> Thinkofdeath pdelvo: done
10:39 < jast> in fact, I think none of the open-source operating systems are a real Unix
10:39 <+pdelvo> ty
10:39 < Thinkofdeath> dx: Thanks
10:54 < SinZ> while we are confirming people, http://beta.wiki.vg/User:SinZ
10:55 < dx> done
11:17 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2065 3 files : Minor GUI adjustments in AddWorldPopup, based on feedback (thanks Aster and Hearty0)
11:26 < shoghicp> dx: http://beta.wiki.vg/User:Shoghicp
11:26 < shoghicp> I should change my userpage
11:28 < dx> done
11:28 < shoghicp> thanks
11:28 < SinZ> was about to do it <3
11:28 < dx> heh
11:59 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2066 4 files : More AddWorldPopup changes based on user feedback. Most notably, many actions that previously required an extra button press (switching tabs, selecting a world, changing generators, selecting parameter) now automatically causes map preview to refresh.
13:51 <+sadimusi> TkTech: we should move this stuff too http://beta.wiki.vg/Main_Page#Other_Locally_Hosted_Resources
13:51 <+sadimusi> and update the link to the hostmaster
14:15 < dx> why is there a libevent2 doxygen hosted there ._.
14:16 < dx> and how did i never notice that. i think i saw all the other list items and ignored that one
14:30 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to fucksignals [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/Q_ulWA
14:30 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 9be7bff - lolshit
14:32 < dx> dav1d: how poetic
14:32 < dav1d> dx: I just rebased that one away
14:32 < dav1d> oh
14:32 < dav1d> forgot to change the name
14:33 < dav1d> *reword the commit message
14:33 < dx> :D
14:33 < dav1d> dx: latenight coding what do you expect with fucking bugs which fuck up every pointer in the fucking world
14:33 < dx> dav1d: well fuck you got me there
14:33 < dav1d> dx: segfault in foreach <3
14:33 < dav1d> -.-
14:34 < dav1d> because single-linked list
14:34 < dav1d> but with fucked up pointers
14:34 < dx> fun!
14:34 < dav1d> so head was set to something
14:34 < dav1d> => !empty
14:34 < dav1d> true
14:34 < dav1d> but accessing headt._value
14:34 < dav1d> yes, you guessed right
14:34 < dav1d> figuring that out ok? bug in Single Linked list?
14:34 < dav1d> nope, looks fine
14:35 < dav1d> well I could continue that story
14:35 < dav1d> or I reword that commit
14:35 < dav1d> ^^
14:36 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/v-0RpQ
14:36 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 9dbac0d - connect to config keys, fire on change
14:36 < dav1d> lol
14:37 < dav1d> I shouldn't have done that
14:37 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/dxhAtg
14:37 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 82e3fa2 - connect to config keys, fire on change
14:38 < dx> that url has my name in it :3
14:38 < dav1d> :D
14:39 < dx> (and it didn't ping me, i just happened to read it. yay regexps)
14:39 < dav1d> blabdx
14:39 < dx> yep. no ping.
14:39 < dav1d> I think it wouldn't ping me either
14:44 <+pdelvo> datdav1d
14:44 < dav1d> pdelvo: id did
14:44 < dav1d> id ftw
14:44 < dav1d> *it
14:44 <+pdelvo> :D
14:46 < dav1d> awesome
14:46 < dav1d> pushed broken stuff, again
14:49 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/F2BkwQ
14:49 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 50979f7 - fix config
15:00 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/e4z5SQ
15:00 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde d4ef6e1 - Updated readme
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17:12 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2067 2 files : Last few adjustments on AddWorldPopup GUI.
17:13 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r2068 2 files : Minor optimizations in /Restore and /Ellipsoid commands, to reduce temporary allocations.
17:16 < TkTech> sadimusi: You're right of course, forgot about it.
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 12 commits to master [+0/-0/±22] http://git.io/2P9uWQ
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 3e8b7f4 - Added PlaySound
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 0095449 - Fix stair and slab placement
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 345392e - Fix comment
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath b54a183 - Torch placement
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 0023298 - Pumpkin placement
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 6508ccb - More placement fixes
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 4f4737a - Movement changes
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 4e12269 - Fix inventory crash
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 5f4376f - Removed Get prefix from inventory methods
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 99d4b58 - Fix slot data reading
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 600eff9 - Block place event changes
17:17 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath d502cf7 - Add HightlightedSlot
17:18 < TkTech> Alright guys, can anyone think of a painless way to move the domains?
17:18 < TkTech> Mediawiki only works with one hostname so beta.wiki.vg will stop working while wiki.vg transitions 
17:18 < dexter0> send a 30(something) to redirect beta.wiki.vg?
17:19 < TkTech> Redirect beta.wiki.vg back to wiki.vg?
17:20 < TkTech> wiki.vg will be in limbo for a few minutes to a few hours while the DNS updates.
17:20 < TkTech> (Usually seconds these days but there are sorry souls with very bad ISP DNS)
17:22 < dexter0> sure, but they will see the kev0009 hosted wiki until their DNS gets with the program, not a huge issue.
17:22 < TkTech> Good point, just worried about changes being lost.
17:23 < TkTech> I'll do one last import after the DNS updates so we're all sync'd up.
17:24 < TkTech> Ah, good job me. I forgot I changed the TTL on wiki.vg to 1 minute a few days ago.
17:24 < Thinkofdeath> Couldn't you just protect the pages on the old site now and put up a notice about the move?
17:24 < TkTech> Yup, that's the idea.
17:24 < Thinkofdeath> ah ok then
17:39 < TkTech> ammar2: Only you would apply in…is that comic sans?
17:39 <+ammar2> yes
17:39 <+ammar2> professional application (tm)
17:41 < TkTech> Okay, alert up, main pages are protected, DNS is propagating.
17:45 < TkTech> Should already have moved for most people.
17:47 < Thinkofdeath> Looks like its moved for me
17:51  * clonejo purges his browser cache...
17:52 <+sadimusi> do we really want the www?
17:53 < buttscicles> how will i know not to use my ftp client
17:56 < TkTech> sadimusi: It's usually recommended to utilize a subdomain of some type (because of limitations at the top level, like CNAMEs.
17:56 <+sadimusi> this is the first time I hear of such limitations
17:57 < TkTech> Within 4 minutes, two spam accounts sign up. lol.
17:57 <+sadimusi> and I never experienced any troubles with any of my second level domains
17:57 <+sadimusi> lol
17:58 < Guest683> ew www
17:59 <+sadimusi> and even if there are limitations to cname, do you even need cname?
17:59 < TkTech> sadimusi: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/apex-domains
17:59 < TkTech> (Keep in mind we have more than one sever)
18:00 <+clonejo> I would like to use the recent changes atom feed. But it's contains spam bot creations :-/
18:00 < TkTech> clonejo: One moment
18:01 <+clonejo> You can't easily fix that, can you?
18:01 < TkTech> clonejo: Assuming you want it for a script, https://github.com/TkTech/WikiBot/blob/master/wikibot.py
18:01 < TkTech> Easy enough to filter out.
18:01 < TkTech> No, can't really, without requiring an admin to create every account on request.
18:01 < TkTech> The confirmation system was the best I could get and even that required a bit of work to do.
18:01 < TkTech> A cron will cull them every 3 days.
18:02 <+clonejo> I wanted to but it into my feed reader, but this should do, too: http://www.wiki.vg/index.php?namespace=0&title=Special%3ARecentChanges
18:02 < TkTech> clonejo: !! I didn't realize you could do that!
18:02 <+sadimusi> TkTech: from your linked document: "There are two approaches available to serve traffic from the root domain while preserving the ability of your provider to manage your apps’ IP addresses"
18:03 <+clonejo> or even better: http://www.wiki.vg/index.php?namespace=2&invert=1&title=Special%3ARecentChanges
18:03 < TkTech> sadimusi: Er, keep reading.
18:04 < TkTech> sadimusi: Because method 1 isn't supported by most DNS hosts, and method 2 is what we're using.
18:05 <+clonejo> This is just perfect: http://www.wiki.vg/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom&namespace=2&invert=1
18:05 <+sadimusi> TkTech: then we should get a dns host that supports it...
18:05 <+sadimusi> TkTech: don't you have an A record anyway?
18:05 <+clonejo> (contains every change except user creations/modifications)
18:05 <+sadimusi> at least that's what dig tells me
18:06 < TkTech> sadimusi: I do, an A record to the same host which then 301's to www.
18:06 < TkTech> sadimusi: Which is method 2...
18:06 <+sadimusi> TkTech: I meant on www
18:06 < TkTech> Yes, currently.
18:06 <+sadimusi> TkTech: sorry I'm so anal about this, www is really unacceptable for me
18:06 < TkTech> The idea is not to impose a limitation that could affect us later on.
18:07 < TkTech> Why? wiki.vg works fine, all URLs just redirect.
18:07 <+sadimusi> I have no idea why, I just hate ugly URLs
18:07 <+sadimusi> that includes media wiki with the /wiki/ prefix
18:07 <+sadimusi> *wikis
18:07 < Guest683> it looked so pretty as wiki.vg
18:08 < Guest683> now its ugly :o
18:08 < buttscicles> it could be worse. I can't stand forums that use /index.php?id=1224 for threads and such
18:09 <+sadimusi> maybe you could have convinced me if you were currently using a CNAME entry, but now I really don't see a reason to force www
18:09 <+sadimusi> you could do the exact same thing when the need arises
18:13 < TkTech> It's been changed, you might have to refresh once for your browser to clear the 301.
18:13 <+sadimusi> <3
18:13 < TkTech> Like I've said before, majority usually rules, but I'm giving you root and you're fixing it later :)
18:13 < iBotPeaches> kudos :)
18:13 <+sadimusi> I keep getting "too many redirects"
18:14 < iBotPeaches> force refresh
18:14 < TkTech> Your browser has cached the wiki.vg -> www.wiki.vg redirect.
18:14 <+sadimusi> the fifth time flushing the cache did the trick
18:14 < TkTech> When www.wiki.vg redirects to wiki.vg it hits the cached redirect and around you go.
18:19  * sadimusi votes for moving /Main_Page to /
18:20 < iBotPeaches> yer
18:20 < iBotPeaches> smallest url possible on homepage
18:21 < iBotPeaches> that gives you 10 google points
18:22 <+sadimusi> I don't know why they use colons for namespaces, but I guess we shouldn't change that
18:32 <+clonejo> I didn't know we actually have such a page: http://wiki.vg/Wishlist
18:34 < Thinkofdeath> clonejo: The 0xFE can be removed now :)
18:34 <+clonejo> Thinkofdeath: because of DNS records?
18:35 <+pdelvo> Because it is hopeless?
18:35 < barneygale> clonejo: I made that ages ago hoping people might use it
18:35 < Thinkofdeath> It was added
18:35 < barneygale> but meh
18:35 <+pdelvo> no we want it client -> server
18:35 < Thinkofdeath> pdelvo: Yep its there
18:36 <+clonejo> barneygale: We should link it somewhere, the page is an orphan right now.
18:36 < winny> In the query protocol, the "basic stat" method returns the server's port as a short. It should instead be encoded as a null-terminated string <- perhaps UT3 query requires it to be a little endian short
18:36 < Thinkofdeath> http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping
18:36 < barneygale> winny: I looked into that, but couldn't find any evidence that was the case
18:36 < winny> o
18:36 < barneygale> looks like a mistake to me
18:36 < winny> ok, yeah, i thought that weird too
18:37 < winny> any php devs here and want to critique my MC server list ping and query code? Fresh off my keyboard. https://github.com/winny-/mcstat/blob/master/mcstat.php
18:37 < shoghicp> winny: let's see
18:37 <+pdelvo> youre right :p Do we have christmas already? :o :o
18:38 <+pdelvo> thats the best thing in the whole world :o
18:39 < shoghicp> winny: do a class ;)
18:39 < winny> yeah i was thinking about it
18:39 < shoghicp> ping()
18:39 < shoghicp> query()
18:39 < shoghicp> and the long query
18:39 < dav1d> yay ChanServ is back
18:40 < winny> there is a lot of state i could be hording
18:40 < shoghicp> winny: try pointing that to a PocketMine-MP server ;)
18:41 < dav1d> pdelvo: what christmas?
18:41 < dav1d> pdelvo: what's our present?
18:41 < winny> do you know of any lists or hosts that run PocketMine-MP shoghicp?
18:41 <+pdelvo> a Plugin Message packet after 0xFE with a protocol version and host in it <3
18:41 < shoghicp> winny: a4.dallas.us.lbsg.net 19132-19135
18:42 < TkTech> clonejo: Could probably remove that page, repetitive with the MC ticket tracker
18:42 < shoghicp> let me send you a list
18:42 < shoghicp> try Query
18:42 < shoghicp> those are Minecraft: PE servers, so the ping from minecraft PC won't work
18:42 < winny> hey it worked nicely, the query
18:43 < shoghicp> winny: http://pastie.org/private/qi0lgzkia7wnsrmxj2hcfa
18:43 < shoghicp> :D
18:43 <+pdelvo> now I can make my proxy to work with multiple versions even in the server browser! and give it vhosts without dns records
18:44 < winny> sweet thx shoghicp, where can I read more about the differences between PC minecraft and those servers' protocol?
18:44 < shoghicp> PC is TCP
18:44 < shoghicp> Pocket is UDP
18:45 < winny> udp exclusive?
18:45 < shoghicp> yes
18:45 < winny> a part of me, being from a idtech gamer background appreciates this
18:45 < shoghicp> http://wiki.vg/Pocket_Minecraft_Protocol and https://gist.github.com/shoghicp/5717436
18:46 < shoghicp> winny: https://github.com/Intyre/MinecraftPE-Dissector
18:47 < dav1d> shoghicp: now do that for 1.6.2
18:47 < dav1d> oh
18:47 < dav1d> that wasn't you
18:47 < shoghicp> ???
18:47 < dav1d> wireshark