10:12 < dx> putty is the first thing i download every time i have to use a windows pc
10:12 <+SirCmpwn> haha it's funny because you replaced the S with a dollar symbol, implying that Microsoft is a business that exists to make money
10:12 <+SirCmpwn> that was great
10:12 <+SirCmpwn> I love it
10:13 < dx> lol
10:13 < Drainedsoul> I actually love it too.  I don't even use it scathingly I like Microsoft
10:13 <+AndrewPH> i like it when people say credit unions are the same as banks
10:13 < Drainedsoul> I like it when people say that credit unions are a sensible alternative to banks
10:13 <+AndrewPH> <sometimes they are, depends on the area>
10:13 < Drainedsoul> they definitely are where I live
10:14 <+SirCmpwn> I like bitcoin
10:14 <+SirCmpwn> but that's only half-related
10:14 <+AndrewPH> I've heard of areas with shit unions
10:14 < Drainedsoul> if Toronto Dominion hadn't always been so great to me, I'd defs have go credit union
10:14 <+AndrewPH> columbia credit union is excellent c:
10:14 <+AndrewPH> every time I go in, a++ customer service they get 6 stars out of 3
10:14 < Drainedsoul> I love places like that
10:14 <+SirCmpwn> speaking of money-handling institutions
10:14 <+SirCmpwn> I really dislike TCF bank and I should move my money somewhere else soon
10:15 < Drainedsoul> and it's not like great customer service is even hard or that expensive to provide
10:15 <+SirCmpwn> also, there are no TCF branches in LA
10:15 < Drainedsoul> the worst is banks with shitty web security.  It's not very confidence installing
10:15 <+AndrewPH> there's also a gamestop here that has great employees, and another that has so-so employees
10:15 < dx> this conversation topic shift brought to you by s/MS/M$/
10:15 <+AndrewPH> I go to the one with the better employees even though it's further away
10:15 <+SirCmpwn> TCF doesn't let you right click on their website "for security reasons", Drainedsoul
10:15 <+AndrewPH> dx: and a sleep-deprived 18 year old
10:15 < Calinou> dx: more like C#
10:15 < Drainedsoul> omg
10:15 <+SirCmpwn> hey, Calinou is here
10:16 < Drainedsoul> I was on a website once where they didn't like you right-click because otherwise you could save the images
10:16 <+SirCmpwn> hello, Calinou
10:16 < dx> HI THERE CALINOU
10:16 <+AndrewPH> Drainedsoul: "I then pressed control u and downloaded all of their images to spite them
10:16 <+AndrewPH> "
10:16 <+SirCmpwn> and how surprising, Calinou, you're talking about C#
10:16 < Calinou> HI THERE DWM USER
10:16 < dx> dwm what
10:16 < Calinou> DWMDWMDWM
10:17 <+SirCmpwn> what is dwm
10:17 < Calinou> lol
10:17 < Calinou> a window manager
10:17 < Calinou> and a shitty one
10:17 < dx> i don't use it
10:17 <+SirCmpwn> dwm is short for desktop window manager
10:17 <+SirCmpwn> that's like saying "book" is a book
10:17 < dx> most creative name ever
10:17 < dx> bwp is short for "book with pages"
10:17 < Calinou> by dvorak users, for dvorak users
10:17 <+SirCmpwn> oh, it's dwm.exe
10:17 <+SirCmpwn> it doesn't actually have a name
10:18 <+SirCmpwn> it's the windows DWM
10:18 < dx> oh right there's a windows one too with the same name as the suckless one
10:18 <+SirCmpwn> well, I'm currently using Cinnamon
10:18 <+AndrewPH> #mcdevs, the new #minecraft
10:18 <+AndrewPH> Able to stay on a topic for 2.37 sec
10:18 < dx> freenode #minecraft or esper #minecraft?
10:18 < Calinou> #minceraft
10:19 < Calinou> freenode
10:19 < Calinou> the one that sucks
10:19 < dx> i'm pretty sure the esper one is worse
10:19 <+AndrewPH> dx: freenode one is full of angsty redditors who make reddit jokes all the time
10:19 <+AndrewPH> esper one has quatroking
10:19 <+AndrewPH> it's a matter of taste I suppose
10:19 < dx> heh
10:19 <+SirCmpwn> I wonder if I'm still banned from #minecraft on freenode
10:19 <+SirCmpwn> nope
10:20 < dx> i actually like /r/minecraft
10:20 <+SirCmpwn> still banned from ##php
10:20 <+SirCmpwn> can't remember if I'm banned anywhere else on freenode
10:20 <+AndrewPH> I got really tired of most of the larger subreddits because they end up being the same as f7u12 after a while
10:20 < Drainedsoul> PHP is such a horrible language.
10:20 <+AndrewPH> /r/wiiu, /r/3ds, and /r/animalcrossing are my limits most of the time
10:20 <+AndrewPH> speaking of, I should go play oracle of ages since I impulse bought it two days ago
10:21 <+SirCmpwn> I mostly go on /r/anime and /r/awwnime these days
10:21 < dx> /r/anime is awful
10:21 <+Matvei> SirCmpwn, nice to see you back in the channel! Welcome back (sorry if I'm late)
10:21 <+SirCmpwn> I go there for the discussions when I watch the latest ep of the shows I'm following
10:21 <+SirCmpwn> hello Matvei, remind me who you are
10:21 <+AndrewPH> Matvei: I've corrupted everybody with the magic of changing the subject too fast
10:21 <+AndrewPH> SirCmpwn: f.
10:21 <+Matvei> The guy who annoyingly changes names
10:21 < Drainedsoul> I wound up unsubbing from /r/gameofthrones
10:21 < dx> were you fragmer?
10:21 <+SirCmpwn> Matvei: stop that
10:21 <+Matvei> yeah
10:21 <+AndrewPH> ding ding ding
10:22 <+Matvei> ok fine I'll go back to fragmer :U
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10:22 < dx> \o/
10:22 <+fragmer> Better? okay.
10:22 <+SirCmpwn> who were you before fragmer
10:23 <+fragmer> "fragmer2k", back in the year 2000, when "2k" was cool
10:23 <+SirCmpwn> 2k was never actually cool
10:23 <+SirCmpwn> but fine, stick with fragmer
10:23 <+AndrewPH> madden 2k5
10:23 <+AndrewPH> fear the "d"
10:23 <+fragmer> I was 12 at the time, it seemed plenty cool :p
10:23 <+SirCmpwn> I was 7 at the time
10:23 <+SirCmpwn> wasn't cool
10:23 <+fragmer> Pffft.
10:23 < dexter0> were you Scootabyte at one point?
10:24 < Calinou> SirCmpwn: i am :D
10:24 < Calinou> Drainedsoul: no u
10:24 <+fragmer> Yep...
10:24 <+SirCmpwn> Calinou: you are what
10:24 < Calinou> banned from #minecraft
10:24 < dx> he's 7 now?
10:24 < dx> oh
10:24 < dx> okay
10:24 <+SirCmpwn> congrats
10:24 <+fragmer> Well, sorry for derailing the conversation. SirCmpwn: how's craft.net doing?
10:24 <+SirCmpwn> I'm sure you're very proud of yourself
10:24 < dx> derailing what conversation?
10:24 <+SirCmpwn> fragmer: still chugging along
10:24 < Calinou> no u, sir camper pwn
10:24 <+SirCmpwn> fragmer: and the conversation has been derailed about a dozen times tonight
10:25  * Calinou derails it again
10:25 < dexter0> SirCmpwn: btw, you are banned from #minecraft again :P
10:25 < dx> i'm pretty sure the conversation topic itself was 'derailing'
10:25 <+SirCmpwn> dexter0: that's awesome, I left without saying anything
10:25 < dx> as *cough* some people *cough* were intentionally trying to change the topic as fast as possible
10:25 <+SirCmpwn> you should drop the log on a pastebin
10:26 <+SirCmpwn> I'd be interested in reading it
10:27 < dexter0> http://pastebin.com/DxGp8afK
10:27 < dx> that was short
10:27 <+SirCmpwn> no, I was more interested in the hastily changing subject you mentioned
10:28 < dx> i was talking about #mcdevs lol
10:28 < dx> i'm not in #minecraft
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10:30 <+SirCmpwn> oh, I was confused
10:36 <+fragmer> Colorado sure is on fire this year
10:36 <+fragmer> My own house almost burnt down in Black Forest Fire a week ago (502 homes did burn, new record, woo)
10:37 <+fragmer> Last year another fire set the previous record, 10km away
10:37 <+SirCmpwn> you're in colorado?
10:37 <+fragmer> Yep
10:37 <+SirCmpwn> I'm flying back home to the springs on the 3rd
10:37 <+fragmer> There's like 13 fires in progress at the moment
10:38 <+fragmer> Biggest one at ~268 km^2
10:38 <+SirCmpwn> my apartment was evacuated during waldo canyon
10:38 <+fragmer> Ah. I was on pre-evac during Waldo Canyon
10:38 <+fragmer> And riiiight next to Black Forest
10:38 <+SirCmpwn> I'm right across the street from mountain shadows
10:38 <+SirCmpwn> at the end of GoG
10:38 <+fragmer> I dont know that area, sorry
10:39 <+SirCmpwn> mountain shadows is the neighborhood that burned down during waldo canyon fire
10:39 <+fragmer> Ah
10:39 <+fragmer> Black Forest fire this year wasn't nearly as spectacular as Waldo Canyon
10:39 <+SirCmpwn> I think 511 homes burned
10:39 <+SirCmpwn> yeah, 511
10:39 <+fragmer> Waldo Canyon looked so cinematic!
10:40 <+SirCmpwn> I was in seattle for that one
10:40 <+SirCmpwn> I tend to not be around whenever colorado is on fire
10:41 <+SirCmpwn> anyway, going to sleep
10:41 <+SirCmpwn> we should do an activity when I get back to colorado, fragmer
10:41 <+fragmer> http://i.imgur.com/RPRRa.jpg
10:41 <+fragmer> ^ this was the view from my home
10:42 <+fragmer> Perhaps
10:43 <+fragmer> I didn't get any decent pictures of the Black Forest fire. Smoke was so thick, it was like playing Minecraft on nearest fog setting
10:43 <+fragmer> No pretty smoke clouds
10:45 <+fragmer> Anyways, can't wait to see what nature has to offer next year
10:45 <+fragmer> There's still lots of forest to burn around my home
10:45 <+fragmer> Good night~
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13:38 < luntik13> hh
13:38 < luntik13> i
13:40 < luntik13> no matter what biome i send in 0x38, client displays everything in same way
13:40 < luntik13> any working example of sending biomes?
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13:54 < dav1d> oh hi, how is your server going pbunny?
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14:15 < luntik13> dav1d: good, pbunny implemented mooshrooms yesterday :)
14:16 < dav1d> good to hear
14:17 < luntik13> they grow mushrooms over the world but you can only see them when youre on shrooms :)
14:17 < luntik13> otherwise you just see mushrooms grow by themselves
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15:09 < dav1d> pdelvo_, pdelvo-, pdelvo: you got the MSVC toolchain installed?
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15:35 < TkTech> dx: Heh, it's true. Without transaction you can very easily loose track of state in an IRC client (or server).
15:36 < TkTech> SirCmpwn: MSNP8? It's line-based, simple, and has transaction IDs :)
15:36 < dx> it's nearly extinct too
15:36 < TkTech> …although I think it might be deprecated now
15:37 < dx> deprecated for sure, but afaik MSNP8 is the oldest version that still works
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17:42 < eagleApex> 3~3~3~
17:43 < eagleApex> What is the best jre for Minecraft on Ubuntu? i seem to have 2 installed
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17:48 <+SirCmpwn> I use openjdk
17:49 < eagleApex> SirCmpwn: thx
17:49 <+SirCmpwn> thanks*
17:49 < eagleApex> yes. also Thank you, Sir.
17:53 <+pdelvo> @dav1d no I have not
17:54 < dav1d> kk
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20:46 < unnicked751> what can cause minecraft to stop sending use entity packets when attacking other player (even though other player is visible and moving) ?
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03:19 < ffmdr> ipv6 \o/
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04:27 < mappum> does anyone know the growth rate/chance of saplings? i can't find how fast they should grow
04:29 < ffmdr> mappum: http://www.minecraftforge.net/wiki/Plants#Growing_.28Ticks.29
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04:37 < mappum> thanks
04:38 < ffmdr> mappum: np
04:38 < mappum> hmm, i cant find tree info on there
04:40 < ffmdr> if the random in range is 0 the tree will fully grow
04:41 < mappum> well the range is what i'm trying to find
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04:52 < ffmdr> it is described there
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05:00 < mappum> it just says there is a growth rate, it doesn't say the actual constant that the growth rate is
05:06 < dx> hm, for that amount of detail i guess all you can do is reading the """source code"""
05:08 < dx> wait
05:08 < dx> ..
05:08 < dx> that page has a snippet of that source code lol
05:08 < dx> do you even java bro
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05:10 <+SirCmpwn> that was an excessive amount of quotation marks
05:11 < dx> it can't be helped, i'm a python dev
05:13 < dx> and when i use ``proper quotes'' some people complain that they look unmatched
05:13 <+SirCmpwn> "these" are "proper" quotes
05:13 <+SirCmpwn> according to English language conventions, at least
05:14 < dx> i have no idea what you're talking about
05:14 <+SirCmpwn> also, what kind of person starts a quoted statement with graves and ends with single-quotes
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05:16 < dx> it's the TeX style
05:16 <+ammar2> SirCmpwn: it gets closer to the standard curly style quotes than straight quotes
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05:17 <+SirCmpwn> depending on your font, " may be rendered curly
05:17 < dx> but it can only go in one direction
05:17 <+SirCmpwn> true
05:18 <+SirCmpwn> but your example uses twice the memory
05:18 < dx> lol
05:18 <+ammar2> dx: ”hello yes”
05:18 <+ammar2> dx: ”isn't this annoying”
05:19 < dx> ammar2: “maybe”
05:21 < dx> unicode quotes use 50% more memory than the TeX counterparts when encoded as UTF-8, and the same amount of memory when using UTF-16 or UCS-2
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05:22 < dx> science
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05:22 <+SirCmpwn> " is defined in ASCII, and UTF-8 supports the entire ASCII set
05:22 <+SirCmpwn> ASCII is 7 bits to a character
05:22 <+SirCmpwn> can any of your alternatives (``, '', ”) beat that?
05:23 < dx> damn
05:23 <+ammar2> SirCmpwn: shame you can't point to 7 bits and then use the 1 remainder
05:23 <+ammar2> otherwise you might have won there
05:23 <+SirCmpwn> you can use the 1 remainder, if you really want to
05:23 <+SirCmpwn> it was originally used as a checksum
05:24 <+SirCmpwn> so it doesn't change the character in use
05:25 < dx> a checksum? if it was ever used like that, it didn't last long
05:25 < ffmdr> SirCmpwn: is last bit ignored :D?
05:25 < dx> i'm pretty sure US ASCII DOS codepages used it for box drawing characters since the beginning
05:25 <+SirCmpwn> dx: this goes way back to the time where sending 7 bits had a considerable risk of corruption
05:26 <+SirCmpwn> parity was just the original use on octet-based systems, the use of bit 7 was not formally defined in the ASCII specification, and was implementation-specific when they had to pad to 8 bits
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05:26 < dx> right
05:27 <+SirCmpwn> also, a lot of systems actually did send them in groups of 7 bits, without sending the extra bit, since not all communication protocols back then were octet-based
05:27 <+SirCmpwn> so ammar2, phooey to you
05:28 <+ammar2> ok you win by one bit
05:28 <+ammar2> happy?
05:28 <+SirCmpwn> yes.
05:29 < dx> (actually he wins by 9 bits)
05:29 <+SirCmpwn> yeah, I was about to say that
05:30 < dx> (or 17 bits if we compare with utf-8)
05:30 <+SirCmpwn> no, all three of your alternatives took up 16 bits
05:30 <+SirCmpwn> unless you count '''
05:30 <+SirCmpwn> which is 21 bits
05:31 <+SirCmpwn> fun fact, I once wrote some code that sent ASCII over a wire and only sent 7 bits per character
05:33 < dx> >>> u"“".encode("utf-8")                                                                                                                                                                                             
05:33 < dx> '\xe2\x80\x9c'
05:33 < dx> blarg i accidentally included whitespace after that line
05:34 <+SirCmpwn> ah, I was wrong
05:34 <+SirCmpwn> however, I'd say I still won by 9 bits, since your best offer was 16
05:34 < dx> yeah
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05:34 < dx> or, well, we could encode `` and '' in 14 bits too
05:35 <+SirCmpwn> well, your best offer was 14
05:35 <+SirCmpwn> yeah
05:35 <+SirCmpwn> so I win by 7 bits
05:35 < dx> it seems we're really bored
05:35 <+SirCmpwn> indeed.
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05:35 <+SirCmpwn> fun fact, I could have sent 2 bits at a time over the wire with that code I mentioned
05:35 <+SirCmpwn> but I chose to use one bit for ACK instead of doing clever timing tricks
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05:36 < dx> sort of like abusing full duplex?
05:36 <+SirCmpwn> I don't understand what you mean
05:37 < dx> don't worry, i don't understand it either. i'm not good at that kind of low level transmission
05:37 <+SirCmpwn> it was very low level. Pulling wires low and high and such
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05:40 <+SirCmpwn> both devices had to pull the wire high for it to read high. So the receiving end kept it high all the time, and the sending end would set the data bit low or high (which would be reflected on the wire), and then pulled ACK low to show that it'd be set, and after a few cycles, the sender pulled it high, and the reciever pulled ACK high when it was ready for the next bit
05:40 <+SirCmpwn> something like that
05:40 <+SirCmpwn> wire transfer behavior is really annoying to work with
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09:34 < Drainedsoul> wow was that really someone with an IPv6 address
09:37 < dx> lol
09:37 < SinZ> IPv6 isn't rare for IRC
09:38 < dx> i've got spare ipv6 addresses with every one of my VPSes
09:38 < dx> they are absurdly cheap
09:38 < SinZ> well there are so many of them
09:40 < dav1d> there are too many :P
09:41 < dav1d> before IP adresses run out, we are out of MACs
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09:41 < dx> indeed
09:42 < dav1d> they wasted an entire range of /112 on broadcasts...
09:43 < dav1d> I think that says all -_-
09:43 < dx> we can't complain about reserved ranges, ipv4 was much worse
09:43 < dx> well, is.
09:43 < dav1d> /116 even iirc
09:43 < dav1d> no but the amount of ip adresses reserverd, more than IPv4 ever had
09:44 < dav1d> ff0*::1 I think are all broadcasts
09:45 < dx> it's trivial to get a /64 for yourself, and that already is more than ipv4 ever had
09:45 < dx> it's pointless to compare them like that
09:46 < dav1d> that was the point ;)
09:46 < dx> lol
09:50 < dav1d> gcc-gcj y u no in repos
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10:11 <+md_5> yah
10:11 <+md_5> Ive got 5 \48's and 5 \64s
10:14 < Grum> weird windows user; it's / ;)
10:15 <+md_5> w/e
10:15 <+md_5> Im not even a windows user...
10:15 < Grum> don't you mean: w\e ? :D
10:15 <+md_5> Been linux for 1.5 years now
10:15 < AlphaBlend> LOL
10:15  * AlphaBlend backslashes Grum
10:15 < Grum> md_5: windows fanboiiii ;)
10:16 < AlphaBlend> hey that's me
10:16 < AlphaBlend> i'm an XP fanboy
10:16 < Grum> :(
10:16 < AlphaBlend> wat
10:16 < AlphaBlend> please don't say what i don't think you should say
10:16 < Drainedsoul> I honestly like working with WinAPI a lot more than POSIX :/
10:17 < AlphaBlend> were you a windows user before Grum?
10:17 < Grum> AlphaBlend: i'm a windows, osx and linux user :)
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10:17 < AlphaBlend> ah
10:17 < Grum> i hate them all equally and all have their own strengths
10:18 < AlphaBlend> you're perfect test dummy before pushing out minecraft updates, runs it through all 3 OSs :P
10:18 < SinZ> Everyone in the office basically has access to all 3
10:18 < Grum> i *hate* devving on windows; i dislike the general 'incompatibility' of linux for gui-related things
10:18 < Grum> osx makes a perfect dev-os for me
10:18 < AlphaBlend> D:
10:18 < Drainedsoul> what's wrong with developing on Windows?
10:18 < AlphaBlend> ah
10:18 < Grum> windows has the best gaming support
10:18 < Grum> linux the best 'be a sane server without doing 10000 clickyclicky/waste of resources'
10:18 < AlphaBlend> ahahaha
10:19 < Grum> Drainedsoul: because i need to install cygwin and some terminal emulator to be remotely productive on window
10:19 < Grum> +s
10:20 < Drainedsoul> why, what are you producing that requires cygwin
10:20 < dav1d> osx is horrible
10:20 < dav1d> lol
10:20 < Grum> Drainedsoul: windows tools are 'fucking fail'
10:20 < Drainedsoul> which ones
10:20 < Grum> try finding a string in a file somewhere :p
10:20 < Grum> i miss the power of the cmdline
10:20 < dav1d> osx = expensive linux with no real benefit (except mac notebooks are slim!)
10:20 < Grum> and windows is .... horrible
10:20 < Drainedsoul> I just use Notepad++ to do that
10:20 < Grum> Drainedsoul: over a whole folder?
10:21 < Drainedsoul> yeah sure
10:21 < dav1d> grep -Rl foobar .
10:21 < dav1d> Drainedsoul: ^
10:21 < dav1d> I bet I am faster
10:21 < Grum> indeed
10:21 < Grum> oh and then remove some stuff frmo the line with sed; unique it; sort with count ...
10:21 < Grum> i mean .... none of that power in windows without tons of pain
10:21 < AlphaBlend> windows cmd: type text.txt | find "text here"
10:21 < Grum> hahahahaha
10:21 < dav1d> lol
10:22 < Drainedsoul> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/find.mspx?mfr=true
10:22 < Grum> and now try that recursively on a whole folder excluding certain file extensions :P
10:22 < dav1d> I mean, we can discuss a lot here, but linux commandline vs. windows commandline
10:22 < dav1d> lol
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10:22 < AlphaBlend> Grum: May be possible with batch, but I haven't done much with batch though >.>
10:22 < Drainedsoul> I did a lot of work w/PowerShell at a previous job, I really liked it
10:22 < Grum> oh and then putting the result in a list, formatted, with uniqued with count
10:22 < Drainedsoul> the .NET interop was nice
10:22 < Grum> AlphaBlend: its not
10:22 < dav1d> y u compile forever gcc-gcj :(
10:22 < AlphaBlend> ah ;(
10:22 < Grum> yes powershel is a minor improvement
10:22 <+md_5> dav1d why do you want gcj
10:22 < Grum> however the shell is WTFuckedup
10:22 <+md_5> have you ever tried that sit
10:22 <+md_5> shit
10:22 < dav1d> md_5: need it for pdftk
10:23 <+md_5> pdftk is gcj
10:23 <+md_5> wat
10:23 < AlphaBlend> Grum: So I guess you've done a bit of batch yourself?
10:23 < Grum> try sane copy/pasting, resizing, proper fonts
10:23 < dav1d> md_5: it requires it
10:23 < Grum> AlphaBlend: yes when i was 11
10:23 < AlphaBlend> what for?
10:23 <+md_5> really
10:23 < Grum> used to make menu structures in batfiles :P
10:23 < Grum> that installed games etc
10:23 < AlphaBlend> oh
10:23 < AlphaBlend> yeah that
10:23 < AlphaBlend> with the goto lines :p
10:23 < dav1d> md_5: it's in the arch AUR and has gcc-gcj as dependency... so I wait
10:23 <+md_5> The following extra packages will be installed:
10:23 <+md_5>   gcj-4.6-base gcj-4.6-jre-lib libgcj-common libgcj12
10:23 <+md_5> I'll be damned
10:23 < dav1d> haha
10:23 < AlphaBlend> yes i've done stuff like that before
10:23 < Grum> AlphaBlend: painful at best
10:23 < dav1d> lucky you, you have it in the repos
10:23 < AlphaBlend> kinda forgot mostly now, haven't used it in awhile
10:23 < dav1d> compiling for ~45mins already
10:24 < Grum> anyhow, in the CLI comparison of windows vs *nix ..... windows FAILS
10:24 <+md_5> I had gcj on my old install so didnt notice when I got pdftk
10:24 < dav1d> should have edited the PKGBUILD to use -j6
10:24 <+md_5> dav1d why not just install gcj manually?
10:24 < Drainedsoul> I remember when I compiled GCC 4.8.0 from source, that took a while...
10:24 < dav1d> md_5: it's not in the repos
10:24 < dav1d> I have to compile it
10:24 <+md_5> its in ubuntu..
10:24 < dav1d> lol ya
10:24 < Grum> mm what does gcj do? java->native?
10:24 < dav1d> gcc-gcj 4.6
10:24 < dav1d> lul
10:24 < Grum> or just an alternative javac?
10:24 < dav1d> Grum: either bytecode (java) or native
10:24 <+md_5> you can use ubuntu repos in arch cant you?
10:25 <+md_5> its to native
10:25 <+md_5> its shit though
10:25 < dav1d> md_5: it can do both
10:25 < Grum> so how 'good' is it?
10:25 <+md_5> and barely supports java 1.5
10:25 < Grum> yeah ok
10:25 < Grum> thought so :p
10:25 < dav1d> wanted to try it on minecraft :D
10:25 < AlphaBlend> lol
10:25 < dav1d> mcp → gcc-gcj
10:25 <+md_5> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gcc-gcj/
10:25 < dav1d> and see what comes out
10:25 <+md_5> looks fine to me dav1d ....
10:25 < Grum> dav1d: 1000fold% speedup guaranteed
10:25 < dav1d> md_5: yes indeed, and that compiles gcc-gcj...
10:25 < Grum> because then it is 'compiled c'
10:25 <+md_5> wait what
10:25 <+md_5> a package install
10:25 < dav1d> Grum: just out of curiosity
10:25 <+md_5> compiles another package
10:25 < Calinou> inb4 doesn't compile
10:26 < Calinou> inb4 complains about minecraft being proprietary
10:26 < Grum> Calinou: hahah 'headers missing' ;D
10:26 < Calinou> this is GNU, remember
10:26 < dav1d> md_5: it's the AUR *arch user reepository* basically a makefile for pacman (package manager)
10:26 < Calinou> harsh user repository
10:26 < Grum> harsh user repository lover? hurl? ;D
10:26 <+md_5> dav1d suddenly, ubuntu
10:26 < dav1d> Calinou: go back to your clopfics
10:26 < dav1d> md_5: lol no
10:26 <+md_5> lolyes
10:26 < dav1d> gcc 3 on ubuntu
10:26 < dx> dav1d: why don't you compile it, then?
10:26 < dav1d> no thänks
10:26 < Calinou> no u
10:26 <+md_5> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.3-1ubuntu1) 4.7.3
10:26 <+md_5> dav1d lolno
10:26 < dav1d> dx: already going for ~45-50 mins
10:27 < dav1d> dx: just takes forever
10:27 < Drainedsoul> doesn't like every Linux ship with old GCC, and then you have to install a newer one if you want it?
10:27 < dx> dav1d: oh ok.
10:27 < Calinou> Drainedsoul: no
10:27 < Drainedsoul> that was my experience with CentOS/GCC 4.8.0
10:27  * md_5 points at 4.7.3
10:27 < dav1d> uups
10:27 < Calinou> dav1d: we know you read clopfics, you even quoted one :D
10:27 < dav1d> gcc 4.8.1-1
10:27 <+md_5> screw gcc
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10:27 <+md_5> clang 4eva
10:27 < dav1d> I don't care what compiler I have
10:27 < dav1d> I don't use it anyways
10:27 < dx> Calinou: ಠ_ಠ
10:28 < Drainedsoul> if Clang didn't seem to have a million gotchas for Windows, I'd use it
10:28 < dav1d> onlything I need is C, barely
10:28 <+md_5> uh
10:28 <+md_5> msvc on windows
10:28 < Drainedsoul> fuck
10:28 < Drainedsoul> MSVC
10:28 < dav1d> llvm on windows lul
10:28 < Calinou> MSVC ftl
10:28 <+md_5> fine
10:28 < Grum> that is actually the best IDE on windows
10:28 <+md_5> Intel C comoiler then
10:28 < Calinou> but well, it is fast
10:28 < Grum> from what i hear
10:28 < Calinou> LOL INTEL COMPILER
10:28 < Calinou> md_5: do, dodododilo
10:28 < Calinou> fff
10:28 < Calinou> typ
10:28 < dav1d> Grum: visual studio?
10:28 < Calinou> typo*
10:28 < Grum> dav1d: yeah:(
10:29 < dav1d> never tried it, but I heared the same
10:29 < Drainedsoul> if you want a compiler for Windows with C++11 support, it's like GCC or bust it seems
10:29 <+md_5> Calinou why the intel hate?
10:29 < Calinou> md_5: because intel hate
10:29 < dav1d> lol intel
10:29 < Calinou> don't let amd die, don't use overpricedtel compiler
10:29 < dav1d> (intel graphics)
10:29 < Calinou> dav1d: they have a decent linux driver
10:29 < dav1d> DIE AMD!
10:29 < Calinou> the only decent open source one
10:29 < dav1d> Calinou: you mean ... mesa
10:29 < Calinou> yeah and?
10:29 < Grum> if someone ever forces me to use windows and visualstudio i might be able to use it; http://www.viemu.com/ ;D
10:29 < Calinou> rock solid open source driver :P
10:30 < dav1d> yeah, but ever tried there windows drivers? xD
10:30 < Calinou> Grum: don't you use windows already
10:30 < Grum> only $99 to be able to use an ide .. cheap! ;D
10:30 < dav1d> try to compile dat shader!
10:30 < Calinou> dav1d: they are decent too, but have a shitty GUI :P
10:30 < Grum> Calinou: i refuse to dev on it
10:30 <+md_5> lol vi
10:30 < dav1d> void main() {};
10:30 < dav1d> ^ compiles even on amd
10:30 < Calinou> Grum: what OS do you use for dev then
10:30 < Calinou> inb4 OS X
10:30 < dav1d> intel, nop gtfo
10:30 < Grum> Calinou: osx as i said 20 mins ago
10:30 < dav1d> Grum: I can get it for free o/
10:30 < Calinou> inafter OS X
10:30 < Grum> dav1d: whoo :p
10:30 < dav1d> Grum: I think the VS 2012 was free?
10:30 < dav1d> *thought
10:31 < Drainedsoul> wat
10:31 < dav1d> (students get it for free, at least on our university)
10:31 <+md_5> just become a student m8
10:31 < Calinou> VS is free
10:31 < Calinou> lol, "student"
10:31 < Calinou> md_5: hello pentium user
10:31 <+md_5> my p4 is still sitting in my cupboard
10:31 < Grum> dav1d: talking about the vi-emulator for visual studio ;)
10:31 < dav1d> gonna try pdfshuffler -.-
10:31 <+md_5> before that it was a p3
10:31 < dav1d> Grum: ahh
10:31 <+md_5> and then a p2
10:31 < Grum> i trully cannot code without it
10:31 <+md_5> good times
10:31 < dav1d> Grum: lul? and you use osx?
10:31 < Grum> non-vi == pain :(
10:31 < dav1d> for development
10:31 < Grum> dav1d: yes
10:31 < dav1d> y u no use cheap os with good hardware?
10:32 <+md_5> dav1d what did you want to do?
10:32 < dav1d> if you use vim
10:32 < Calinou> lol, Grum uses vim
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10:32 < AlphaBlend> lol
10:32 < Grum> i actually use intellij ... with ideavim =)
10:32 < Calinou> aren't mojangstas supposed to use stupidj
10:32 < Calinou> erm, stupidij
10:32 < dav1d> md_5: extract a few pdf sites
10:32 < Calinou> oh see
10:32 < Calinou> stupidij
10:32 < AlphaBlend> i use good ol' netbeans
10:32 < dav1d> md_5: then print them, 4 pages / paper
10:32 <+md_5> dinner used netbeans last I checked
10:32 < Grum> Calinou: stupidij compared to? ... failclipse and oldbeans?
10:32 < AlphaBlend> o_o
10:32 <+md_5> uh huh
10:32 < Calinou> Grum: :D
10:32 <+md_5> I can get Windows 8 Embedded Industry now
10:33 <+md_5> thanks Microsoft!
10:33 < Calinou> md_5: s/embedded/clop
10:33 < dav1d> I like intellij!
10:33 < Grum> intellij is by far the superior java IDE
10:33 < Calinou> dav1d edition
10:33 <+md_5> https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=67
10:33 < dav1d> Calinou: wat?
10:33 < dav1d> I can get windows 8 for 8€
10:33 < dav1d> what a joke
10:33 < Calinou> and windows 7 for 7€?
10:33 < Calinou> windows still sucks for development
10:34 < Grum>  /nod
10:34 < dav1d> I think pdfshuffler works
10:34 <+md_5> https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=27
10:34  * md_5 wonders what this is
10:34 < dav1d> broken https
10:34 < Calinou> inb4 $1000 text editor
10:35 < AlphaBlend> Calinou: Sucks how? Holy trinity support?
10:35 < dx> "Microsoft Small Basic puts the fun back into computer programming"
10:35 < Calinou> AlphaBlend: huh
10:35 < AlphaBlend> By holy trinity I mean Windows, OSX, and Linux :D
10:35 < dx> """fun"""
10:35 < Calinou> """programming"
10:35 < Calinou> AlphaBlend: oh
10:35 < Calinou> thought you were talking about the APUs
10:35 < dx> 'holy trinity' wat
10:36 < AlphaBlend> i don't know what an APU is, i'm a nub
10:36 < dx> did you make up that term
10:36 < AlphaBlend> yes
10:36 < dx> good job
10:36 < AlphaBlend> ty
10:36 < Calinou> APU = accelerated processing unit
10:36 < Calinou> AMD's CPUs with an IGP, basically
10:36 < AlphaBlend> ohh
10:36 < zutto> i just want to note that the apu's amd makes, are amazing
10:36 < AlphaBlend> how much better are they than an IGP?
10:37 < Calinou> zutto: when fglrx works :P
10:37 < Calinou> AlphaBlend: an IGP is an integrated graphics processor
10:37 < AlphaBlend> I have an AMD CPU, and yet I do not know this ;p
10:37 < zutto> Calinou: mainly for making extremely cheap desktops for people ;p
10:37 < Calinou> most intel CPUs and some AMD CPUs have it
10:37 < Calinou> zutto: not really "extremely cheap"
10:38 < zutto> :| its really cheap compared to what it was before
10:38 < AlphaBlend> Calinou: Indeed, and my IGP is an ATI Radeon 9000, not sure how good or bad that is, I'm not much of a ha rdware guy
10:38 < dx> zutto: you could always have shitty integrated video for a few bucks, the main difference is that now it's less shitty
10:39 < zutto> exactly the reason why its awesome :l
10:39 < dx> heh
10:39 < zutto> most people dont do anything that requires dedicated gpu, other than watch movies
10:39 < dx> yep
10:39 < zutto> and usually integrated gpu's are shit
10:40 < zutto> but last i heard, people were even playing crysis with apu's
10:41 < dx> a friend played crysis with a geforce 7200
10:41 < zutto> oh god
10:41 < zutto> i just got job offer to code java
10:41 < zutto> >_>
10:41 < dx> with lowestest settings and shitty framerate, but still counts as 'playing'
10:41 < zutto> i have removed every trace of java on my cv's and shit
10:41 < zutto> yet, someone still figures that i want to code that shit
10:41 < zutto> dx: with apus, the fps isnt even that bad
10:42 < dx> still lowestest settings :P
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10:42 < zutto> not necessarily!
10:42 < Drainedsoul> I'm going back to school to get my degree since my current job is work from home, my biggest fear is that I'll take classes where I have to code Java
10:43 < dx> loljavafear
10:43 < zutto> yeah, java is something i try to stay away at all cost
10:43 < zutto> but Drainedsoul, i'm pretty sure you can ask your teacher to let you code in some other language
10:44 < Drainedsoul> Perhaps.  I'm hopeful since I was there in 07/08 and they did Java everything, but looking at the curriculum, seems more C/C# now
10:45 < Drainedsoul> I'd prefer C++ so I could do all the assignments with incomprehensible metaprograms, but C# is nice.
10:45 < zutto> c# with mono is quite relaxing to code
10:45 < zutto> too bad, its still not that popular :|
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10:46 < Drainedsoul> I really like C#.  It's probably second fav language.
10:46 < dav1d> ok so can anyone tell me how I print a pdf, but 4 pages / paper?
10:47 < zutto> dav1d: have you tried gimp yet?
10:47 < dav1d> no
10:47 < dav1d> print a pdf with gimp?
10:47 < dav1d> oh fail -.
10:47 < dav1d> -.-
10:47 < zutto> i'm pretty sure you can ;o
10:48 < dav1d> chromium can print it, but I have to select my printer first, before I can choose that option
10:48 < dav1d> thanks anyways
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10:48 < dx> i've opened pdfs with inkscape before :D
10:48 < dav1d> high quality greyscale...
10:49 < dav1d> lol looks horrbile
10:49 < dx> never trust printers with "high quality"
10:49 < dx> well, actually, never trust printers
10:49 < dav1d> :(
10:49 < dav1d> pages are too small
10:49 < dav1d> dammit
10:49 < Calinou> AlphaBlend: must be insanely old
10:49 < dx> increase dpi?
10:49 < Calinou> <zutto> i just got job offer to code java
10:49 < Calinou> be happy
10:49 < Calinou> in france you would get no job
10:50 < Calinou> and dav1d would get ho...
10:50 < Calinou> nothing
10:50 < Drainedsoul> yeah not only would you get no job but you'd be living in France, crappy deal
10:50 < Calinou> lol
10:50 < Calinou> haters gonna hate
10:50 < Calinou> *insert gif of ponies jumping into an hole here*
10:51 < Drainedsoul> I'm Canadian so the Quebecois ruined whatever good will I might've had towards France
10:51 < Drainedsoul> say what you want about Quebecois/France affiliations etc., the fact remains they left them here for us to deal with
10:51 < Drainedsoul> gdmt
10:52 < Calinou> s/gdmt/jim morrison forever
10:52 < Calinou> Architect spotted
10:52 < dav1d> dx: I can't
10:52 < dav1d> at least I see no option
10:53 < dav1d> trying gimp now
10:53 < dx> dav1d: hm, printing on linux? last time i did that, all i had was a generic printing driver with almost no options :(
10:53 < dav1d> yeah linux
10:53 < dav1d> I have the hp drivers installed
10:53 < dav1d> my printer is fully supported
10:53 < dav1d> hp ftw
10:53 < Calinou> hp has decent printers, i heard
10:53 < Calinou> but not the cheapest ones
10:54 < dx> no such thing as "decent printer"
10:54 < Calinou> everyone knows that cartridges = dav1d :D
10:54 < dav1d> wat?
10:54 < dx> is Calinou drunk?
10:54 < Calinou> no u
10:54 < dav1d> hp is cheap
10:54 < dav1d> I got that printer for ~45€
10:54 < dav1d> with scanner
10:54 < dav1d> and both are really good
10:55 < dx> and yeah, their business is selling really cheap printers and really expensive ink
10:55 < dav1d> I can live with that
10:55 < dav1d> not printing that much, more scanning
10:55 < dav1d> gah this pisses me off
10:56 <+md_5> so
10:56 < zutto> just whatever you do, stay away from xerox printers
10:56 <+md_5> is anyone else worried
10:56 <+md_5> I want to know where 1.6 pre release is
10:56 <+md_5> I really hope there is one today :(
10:56 < dav1d> maybe evince
10:57 < dx> why do we care about 1.6 again?
10:57 < dav1d> evince <3
10:57 < dx> i heard it has horses
10:57 < dx> the most requested feature ever
10:57 < Calinou> zutto: inb4 reference to RMS
10:58 < Calinou> dx: s/horses/ponies
10:58 < dx> ಠ_ಠ
10:58 < Grum> because you want resourcepacks :P
10:58 < dav1d> yep evince does what I want!
10:58 < zutto> Calinou: no, just alot bad expiriences with xeroxes printers
10:58 < dav1d> awesome
10:58 < dx> dav1d: woo
10:58 < zutto> i used to work at building that had 17 big ass xerox printers
10:59 < zutto> there was weeks when none of those worked
10:59 < zutto> and xerox's support is shit
10:59 < zutto> only thing they're good at, is delivering and installing the product