01:48 < dav1d> zz time already passed 2 hours ago -.-, cya
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01:53 <+Prf_Jakob> dav1d: good night
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17:08 < geohhot> hello everybody 
17:08 <+sadimusi> hi
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17:50 < Sanky_> does anybody know what are the reasons behind the new launcher
17:50 < Sanky_> or is it just thinly veined antipiracy
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18:21 < unnicked314> Sanky_: how will it protect against piracy?
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18:45 < Sanky_> unnicked314: I guess they'll have to redownload :)
18:46 < Sanky_> nah, whatever, I just don't quite get why they can't keep the old one working.
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19:23 < TRocket> does anyone know who "mthinkcpp"(github) is? someone on #mcdevs?
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20:05 < M6PIC> I still can't get my code, http://pastebin.com/tnG9nik1, to work. I have changed the short array to a length of 1 and the length of the string to big-endian.
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20:27 <+sadimusi> M6PIC: use wireshark
20:29 <+sadimusi> M6PIC: you're still sending 0xff000015...
20:36 < TRocket_> https://github.com/TRocket/GCMC/blob/master/src/server.cpp
20:37 < TRocket_> if it helps...
20:37 <+pdelvo> good morning everyone
20:38 < Yoshi2> good evening, pdelvo
20:38 < eddyb> TRocket_: are you writing C in C++?
20:41 < TRocket_> eddyb: yup, i keep forgetting i'm in c++ :P
20:42 < eddyb> you lack the magik
20:56 < M6PIC> I am using wireshark, it's just a little confusing.
20:56 < TRocket_> what's confusing
20:57 < TRocket_> just select interfaces and click capture
20:58 < TRocket_> and "tcp.port==25565" is the answer to a question that you will prbably ask
20:58 < M6PIC> I have set the filter to port 25565.
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21:04 < M6PIC> I get https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzqffJgvxWeWc29Jd1lrWWMwY00/edit?usp=sharing
21:09 < TRocket_> hmm client sends 0xFE
21:09 < TRocket_> server sends 0xFF
21:10 < TRocket_> then a string length of 0??
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21:11 < M6PIC> That must mean /i
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21:11 < M6PIC> I'm incorrectly sending the length. (Accidentally pressed enter instead of backspace)
21:11 < TRocket_> then https://github.com/TRocket/GCMC/blob/master/src/server.cpp
21:11 < TRocket_> lol
21:12 < Calinou> I read "GCC"
21:12 < TRocket_> wait i meant idk
21:12 < M6PIC> I understand how to use it know.
21:12 < TRocket_> good
21:14 < M6PIC> I see that I'm sending 0x000015000000401f9500
21:14 < TRocket_> yeah
21:14 < M6PIC> There shouldn't be so many zeroes at the beginning.
21:15 < M6PIC> 2 less
21:15 < dav1d> M6PIC: you know what one "0" represents?
21:15 < M6PIC> 0b0000 I think
21:16 < dav1d> ah, fine :)
21:16 < TRocket_> you need to send the length as the number of characters and not the number of bytes
21:16 <+sadimusi> TkTech: that's not the problem
21:17 < dav1d> TRocket_: which is bytes*2
21:17 <+sadimusi> sry
21:17 <+sadimusi> * TRocket_ 
21:17 < TRocket_> dav1d: bytes/2
21:17 < dav1d> TRocket_: no
21:17 < dav1d> *yes
21:17 < dav1d> my bad
21:18 < TRocket_> yeah, i had to work THAT one out the hard way...
21:18 < TRocket_> hours of wondering why it wasn't working
21:19 < dav1d> D ftw
21:19 < dav1d> wstring.length
21:25 < Yoshi2> dav1d: what does wstring.length do in D?
21:25 < dav1d> Yoshi2: wstring is a UTF-16 string
21:25 < dav1d> so it returns basically "bytes/2"
21:25 < Yoshi2> ah
21:26 < dav1d> not codepoints though
21:27 < M6PIC> I should definitely be sending 0x0015000000401f9500.
21:28 < TRocket_> don't think so
21:29 < TRocket_> i sent unsigned char data[42] = { 0x00, 0xA7, 0x00, 0x31, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,0x36, 0x00, 0x31, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x31, 0x00, 0x2E, 0x00,0x35, 0x00, 0x2E, 0x00, 0x32, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x47, 0x00,0x43, 0x00, 0x4D, 0x00, 0x43, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x30, 0x00,0x00, 0x00, 0x32, 0x00, 0x30 };
21:30 < TRocket_> and that's a fairly minimal ping message
21:30 < TRocket_> maybe use that and adapt it
21:33 <+sadimusi> M6PIC: in your case it should be ff001500a7003100000036003200000031002e0035002e00320000004d00360050004900430000003000000033
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21:59 < M6PIC> So it's not at all sending the string correctly.
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22:18 <+md_5> Grum is text: {} still in 1.6.0?
22:19 < Grum> at minimum how it is for the current snapshot, which means it should have some compat
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22:25 <+md_5> Grum thanks! much appreciated
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22:38 < Grum> md_5: absolutely no guarantees, we got some time left ;)
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01:16 < ajvpot> whats the mcp hannel again?
01:16 < ajvpot> ah
01:16 < ajvpot> esper
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01:30 < Drainedsoul> Does the client always send keep alives with ID 0?
01:31 <+sadimusi> iirc he sends back the id he got from the server
01:31 < Drainedsoul> yeah but the client may independent send keep alives too
01:31 <+sadimusi> then it's 0
01:32 < Drainedsoul> okay cool, just wanted to make sure
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09:09 < Drainedsoul> is there some kind of guide to what characters are and are not acceptable in Minecraft usernames?
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09:11 <+SirCmpwn> I believe it's [A-Za-z0-9_]+
09:11 <+SirCmpwn> not certain, though
09:12 <+SirCmpwn> you log in with an email address, though
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09:12 < Drainedsoul> no I don't : |
09:12 <+SirCmpwn> for all new accounts, that is
09:12 <+SirCmpwn> and migrated accounts
09:12 < Drainedsoul> ah okay
09:13 < Drainedsoul> I was more interested in determining if the username a client sends in 0x02 is at all reasonable
09:14 <+SirCmpwn> I've never seen something that doesn't match [A-Za-z9-0_]+
09:14 <+SirCmpwn> I'd just validate them when you do the online-mode check anyway
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09:21 <+SirCmpwn> good luck with whatever you're doing, I'm going to sleep
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09:53 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2040 3 files : Implemented RealisticMapGen.CreateParameters(string). Renamed "Random" template to "Default" (which it is). Minor cleanup in FlatMapGen.
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11:05 <+pdelvo> @Drainedsoul why do you need that? you can just try o validate it with minecraft.net (escape it) and you know if it is correct or not
11:49 < Drainedsoul> I was just interested in avoiding the HTTP request, but if there's no set in stone rule I'll just stick with that
11:58 < SinZ> well, if they are going to pass authentication, it would be a valid username anyway
12:00 < Drainedsoul> that assumes that they were going to pass authentication.  My point is that if you could detect invalid usernames you could avoid going through authentication.
12:02 < dx> so it's just some sort of optimization?
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13:10 < Drainedsoul> yeah, it just would've been an optimization in case someone opened a socket and sent a garbage 0x02
13:14 <+pdelvo> you can implement a connection throttle
13:15 < dx> yeah, nothing stops anyone from sending garbage that has a valid player name
13:16 < dx> so throttle sounds better
13:16 <+pdelvo> asdkjhakjs is a valid  name
13:16 < dx> probably even registered, too
13:26 < Drainedsoul> I didn't realize that the options were mutually exclusive
13:28 < unnicked668> you can use offline mode for best optimisation
13:28 < unnicked668> http requests will never be needed :)
13:29 < dav1d> another wise tip brought to you by pbunny!
13:31 < dx> Drainedsoul: of course they are not "mutually exclusive" but it's just rather pointless to filter by that if you really want to protect against login packets causing too much load.
13:32 < dx> dav1d: if it was anyone else, i'd assume it's a joke.
13:32 < dx> dav1d: in this case i'm not sure
13:32 < dav1d> dx: yeah unfortunatly it isn't anyone else
13:32 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul: you can then auto-register new nicks and bind them to IPs or something
13:32 < dx> dav1d: ...unfortunately it wasn't a joke either
13:32 < unnicked668> and maybe limit number of nicks per IP
13:33 < dx> so yeah
13:34 < dx> outright suggestion of piracy by the guy who refuses to tell us if he ever bought an account
13:35 < dx> just saying.
13:36 < dav1d> dx: oh he told us, his friends test for him, since he has none
13:37 < unnicked668> i'm not pbunny, wtf
13:37 < unnicked668> he asked for login optimization, i gave him the only way to do it
13:37  * dx facepalms
13:37 < Drainedsoul> when did I ask for anything other than an answer to the question, which SirCmpwn gave hours ago?
13:38 < unnicked668> <Drainedsoul> I was just interested in avoiding the HTTP request, but if there's no set in stone rule I'll just stick with that <- here
13:38 < unnicked668> i gave you the best way to avoid it :p
13:38  * dav1d facepalms
13:38 < unnicked668> ( didn't get the stone part though )
13:38 < Drainedsoul> avoiding doing work where it's unnecessary isn't the same as just avoiding it altogether
13:39 < Drainedsoul> otherwise dereferencing null pointers would be the best optimization ever
13:39 < Drainedsoul> instantly avoid doing any work!  Have the OS kill your process!
13:39 < unnicked668> ah i see
13:39 < dx> :D
13:39 < unnicked668> but you didn't tell us it is necessary to do minecraft.net auth
13:39 < dav1d> rm -rf /usr/bin/*
13:39 < dav1d> here
13:39 < dav1d> no compiler, no work
13:39 < unnicked668> dav1d: no life, no suffering :p
13:39 < dav1d> go ahead
13:39 < unnicked668> no work too
13:42 <+pdelvo> each program can be optimized by one code line, each program has at least one bug -> each program can be optimized to one line which doesnt work :p
13:42 < Drainedsoul> that's the best thing I've read all day
13:43 < dav1d> pdelvo: "main;"
13:44 < dx> $ echo 'main;' | gcc -xc -
13:44 < dx> <stdin>:1:1: warning: data definition has no type or storage class [enabled by default]
13:44 < dx> nice.
13:44 < dx> didn't know that compiled, i always did main(){}
13:44 < dav1d> echo "main;" | gcc -x c -
13:44 < dav1d> ah yeah
13:44 < dav1d> too slow
13:44 < dx> :D
13:44 < SinZ> How is unnicked still in here?
13:44 < dav1d> SinZ: dunno
13:45 < dx> or maybe "why" is the right question
13:45 < dx> or "why does he bother" or "what does he want to accomplish"
13:46 < unnicked668> what do you want to accomplish dx?
13:48 < dx> i want to fix the design flaws in craftirc3 to have a decent api to create bridges with
13:48 < dx> unfortunately that's something nobody in here cares about
13:48 < dx> and nobody else would have asked
13:48 < unnicked668> what is craftirc3?
13:49 < dx> meanwhile a lot of people are wondering why YOU are here
13:49 < unnicked668> yep, that bothers me too
13:49 < dx> ...well interesting
13:52 < unnicked668> so what is craftirc3? github readme isn't highly descriptive
13:53 < dx> yeah, worst readme ever, seriously. that's the first thing i'd like to have nuked
13:53 < dx> but since it contains the license text it's not possible
13:53 < dx> it's just a bridge between irc channels and minecraft chat. really complex shit.
13:54 < dx> anyway
13:54 < unnicked668> sounds like a 2-day work
13:54 < Drainedsoul> java code ugh
13:54 < Drainedsoul> my condolences
13:54 < unnicked668> unless there's more to it
13:55 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul: what is wrong with java?
13:55 < Drainedsoul> checked exceptions
13:55 < dav1d> oh come on
13:55 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul: the just make debugging easier
13:55 < dav1d> dx: forge has an irc plugin
13:56 < dx> dav1d: i know, it's really really bad
13:56 < Drainedsoul> I don't see how they make debugging easier in ways that a debugger and/or stack traces wouldn't
13:56 < dx> dav1d: and closed source
13:56 < dav1d> dx: oh
13:56 < dx> dav1d: why did you mention forge, anyway? this is bukkit
13:57 < dav1d> dx: dunno
13:57 < dx> lol.
13:57 < r04r> dx: start from scratch, dump in jerk, be done in a day?
13:58 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul: they are more OOP way of debugging
13:58 < dx> r04r: wot
13:58 < r04r> dx: jerklib is just some irc library that works well
13:58 < Drainedsoul> what, checked exceptions?  Does that mean C# and C++ aren't OOP.  Neither of them have checked exceptions.
13:58 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul: not as OOP as java is
13:59 < unnicked668> they were derived from functional languages
13:59 < Drainedsoul> wat
13:59 < Drainedsoul> they have "C" in the fucking name
13:59 < unnicked668> so they have flaws
13:59 < dx> r04r: oh lol, that one. irc is not a problem, it's just that the way messages are routed has a decent amount of complexity and allows for many interesting setups, so it needs a lot of thought to get right
13:59 < Drainedsoul> how was C++ which started out as "C with classes" derived from a functional language, which C definitely is not
14:00 < r04r> dx: Ok gotcha, I don't know much about that plugin but that's what worked well, and easily, for me when I made an irc bridge in the client
14:00 < unnicked668> C is procedural language
14:00 < Drainedsoul> you said "they were derived from functional languages"
14:00 < Drainedsoul> which is patently false
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14:02 < unnicked668> sorry i prefer "function" term to "procedure" because the latter reminds me of object pascal
14:02 < unnicked668> i thought you'll understand
14:02 < Drainedsoul> functional programming is totally different from procedural programming.
14:03 < dx> r04r: i'm not the one who is going to do the rewrite anyway, i'm not great at java
14:03 < Drainedsoul> Haskell, Erlang are functional languages
14:03 < r04r> dx: Alright, do you know who will? Or is it just up for grabs
14:03 < dx> r04r: mbaxter
14:03 < r04r> dx: kk thanks
14:04 < Drainedsoul> dx: There's only one way to get "great at java" : p
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14:05 < r04r> 0.1337 BAC is the one and only way ^
14:05 < dx> Drainedsoul: i always thought i was decent until i started working with moderately large code.
14:05 < dx> lol r04r
14:05 < Drainedsoul> dx: what was it about "moderately large code" that threw you off?
14:07 < dx> Drainedsoul: well actually, it's not so much about the size, but about the difference between understanding and writing code, and having to write non-trivial code at that.
14:07 < dx> there are lots of small details i've never considered before
14:08 < Drainedsoul> ah okay.  Well, the only way to learn is still by doing : P
14:08 < dx> yep!
14:08 < r04r> dx: can you think of any examples? Now that you're describing it like that I'm curious about your experiences
14:09 < dx> r04r: i still have to think a few secs whenever i have to add static/final/private/public variables, and anything that involves collections and iteratiors makes me want to ask stack overflow what's the best solution for each problem
14:09 < Drainedsoul> ugh right, Java methods are virtual-by-default, another reason to hate it...
14:10 < r04r> dx: Gotcha. Do you consider yourself to be better at other languages?
14:10 < dx> actually i've stayed away from java for a long time because of that 'hate'
14:10 < Drainedsoul> it's really awful.
14:10 < dx> it's not as bad as i thought
14:11 < r04r> I really enjoy java, but it is somewhat verbose... 
14:11 < Drainedsoul> everytime I think that I've come to grips with all the awful things about Java, I discover more
14:11 < dx> r04r: yeah i guess at least i feel "fluent" at them. starting coding like this again makes me feel young :D
14:11 < Drainedsoul> this is exacerbated by the fact that I don't write Java, so there are things to hate I don't know about
14:11 < Drainedsoul> I discovered a few days ago that it doesn't have the concept of an unsigned integer...
14:12 < dx> by "young" i mean that learning lots of things about a programming language feels good, and i haven't felt that in a long time
14:12 < Drainedsoul> you should learn C++.
14:12 < dx> nah fuck C++
14:12 < Drainedsoul> there's lots of things to learn, keep you feeling young
14:12 < Drainedsoul> wtf
14:12 < dx> just kidding
14:12 < Drainedsoul> you haven't truly programmed until you've written a nice long template metaprogram
14:12 < dx> i have the same reasons to avoid C++ as i had to avoid java
14:13 < dx> "because it's awful"
14:13 < Drainedsoul> well Java is awful because it's ridiculously and dogmatically limited
14:13 < dx> now i believe i don't have the right to complain about that before i experience it myself
14:13 < Drainedsoul> the reason people consider C++ to be awful is...the opposite
14:14 < dx> my new reason to not learn c++ is "because i have nothing interesting to do with it"
14:14 < r04r> C++ is amazing, but not for productivity when alternatives are available :D
14:14 < Drainedsoul> that really depends on what you're doing, and how you measure "productivity"
14:15 < dx> r04r: in those cases i'd rather use C
14:15 < Drainedsoul> ugh no
14:15 < dx> hah.
14:15 < Drainedsoul> C interop in C++ is a thing of beauty
14:15 < r04r> I measure productivity by getting shit done with as little bugs as possible in as little time as possible
14:15 < Drainedsoul> yeah but what is "getting shit done"
14:15 < r04r> new features, bugfixes, whatever employer/customer/self wants to happen
14:15 < dx> vaguely relevant: https://medium.com/tech-talk/afcfa2920c17
14:16 < r04r> while maintining maintainability
14:16 < Drainedsoul> yeah C++ is no more or less maintainable than any other language
14:16 < Drainedsoul> I mean you can write horrible, unmaintainable C++ code, but you can write horrible, unmaintainable code in any other language too
14:17 < r04r> Yeah I agree, but it's easier to write unmaintainable C++ code, than (for example) Java code, in my experience
14:17 < dx> i'm deja-vu-ing so hard right now.
14:17 < dx> i'm not sure if it's just a deja vu or if i've really heard arguments like this a thousand times before
14:18 < Drainedsoul> I'd agree that it's easier to write unmaintainable code, but I don't think it's any harder to write maintainable code.  The same principles apply, just that C++ has a lot more sirens calling you away
14:18 < Drainedsoul> but I'd honestly much rather be able to rip libraries straight into a C++ program that have to deal with something convoluted like JNI or P/Invoke or finding a wrapper
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14:22 < dx> whoops looks like i have to wake up in 5 hours. fun.
14:22 < dx> see you later #programminglanguagediscussions
14:23 < r04r> bye dx!
14:23 < r04r> sleep well ;)
14:24 < r04r> Drainedsoul: If you require native libraries then Java might not be a good choice for your problem, but honestly to me it all seems like different tools for different jobs. C++ is undeniabely better for many types of problems, but Java can be many times more convient to write. But really, I'm not interested in arguing programming languages so sorry for starting that :P
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14:27 < Grum> food for thought; if minecraft was c++, how would you do crossplatform dynamically loadable plugins easily? :D
14:27 < Drainedsoul> you wouldn't.  You'd dlopen shared objects on Linux and LoadLibrary dlls on Windows
14:28 < SinZ> Ooh, Grum talked, inb4 huge argument
14:28 < Drainedsoul> make a consistent interface, implement the OS-specific code behind that interface, only the file extensions change between platforms
14:28 < Drainedsoul> do that with #ifdef
14:28 < Grum> Drainedsoul: also osx
14:28 < Drainedsoul> I'm pretty sure dlopen works on OSX since it's part of POSIX, but I could be totally wrong
14:28 < Grum> so this means that every plugin-dev needs to have all 3 operating systems to code, test and compile their plugin
14:29 < Grum> eversoconvenient--
14:29 < Drainedsoul> are you saying that Java does not have platform-specific issues
14:29 < SinZ> not nearly as many
14:30 < dav1d> Grum: lua
14:30 < dav1d> :D
14:30 < dav1d> (I'd prefer python, but lua is more lightweight)
14:30 < SinZ> ship an entire scripting language interpreter with the launcher
14:30 < Drainedsoul> there's also that option, implement the core in C++ and run something else ontop of it
14:30 < Grum> dav1d: yeah but who wants to really code game-logic in lua? :(*
14:30 < dav1d> luajit is freakin' fast and not fat
14:30 < r04r> Grum: garry's mod!
14:31 < dav1d> Grum: really?
14:31 < r04r> also a ton of other games
14:31 < dav1d> Grum: basically everyone does that today
14:31 < Grum> the whole ai system in lua? oh man :p
14:31 < dav1d> GUIs written in lua, ai in lua, physics in lua
14:31 < dav1d> Grum: yes
14:31 < Grum> pathfinding in lua?
14:31 < Grum> huuuurl
14:31 < dav1d> yes
14:31 < Grum> i've coded that ...
14:31 < dav1d> Grum: luajit*
14:31 < Grum> same difference
14:31 < Grum> lua is ...... no fun to code in :/
14:31 < SinZ> Lua scares me when I think large scale
14:32 < SinZ> having to do messy stuff to do the convenient stuff in java/C#
14:32 < dav1d> Grum: well you think that
14:32 < Drainedsoul> the only languages I genuinely don't have fun coding in are ones that don't have static type systems
14:32 < dav1d> that's your personal opinion
14:32 < Grum> dav1d: there are no 'sane' datastructures in lua
14:32 < dav1d> lua gives you nothing but the ability to shape it as you want
14:32 < dav1d> Grum: ^
14:33 < Grum> yes, you really want to start building all those things from scratch using metatable crap?
14:33 < dav1d> Grum: there are existing soloutions
14:33 < Drainedsoul> I think this has all been blown out of proportion though
14:33 < Grum> dav1d: java ;)
14:33 < Drainedsoul> we should just take a moment to appreciate the fact that
14:33 < dav1d> Grum: honestly?
14:33 < Drainedsoul> we're not coding in PHP
14:33 < dav1d> java is terrible
14:34 < Drainedsoul> it is
14:34 < SinZ> I prefer CLI PHP to Lua
14:34 < dav1d> could be worse though
14:34 < Grum> every language is terrible
14:35 < Drainedsoul> I honestly think that not supporting unsigned integers is a special level of terrible
14:36 < SinZ> Java 8 will
14:36 < Drainedsoul> lol
14:37 < SinZ> meaning when Java10 gets released, programs might start to use it
14:38 < Drainedsoul_3> The fact that it took 8 versions to support unsigned integers is pretty damning 
14:40 < Grum> Drainedsoul: i dont really see the problem?
14:41 < Drainedsoul> ...how
14:41 < Grum> why would not having unsigned things be 'super bad' ?
14:41 < Drainedsoul> you pick data types that reflect the value being stored, tonnes of values -- especially in computer science -- don't have any reason being negative
14:41 < Drainedsoul> the idea of encoding a length as a value that can be negative is just so ridiculous, it's anti-programmer, it's a language design decision that inflict if (i>=0) on people where that check has
14:42 < Drainedsoul> no business being
14:43 < Grum> true but also not really *that* important?
14:44 < Drainedsoul> being able to easily store the length of something is pretty important.  Having to pass everything through if (i>=0) for no reason at all is pretty stupid.
14:44 < Drainedsoul> I mean what reason is there not to support unsigned integers?
14:44 < Grum> wait, why isn't the thing you are storing length in final?
14:45 < Drainedsoul> if you're generating your own lengths it's not as much of a problem, but you don't always generate your own lengths
14:45 < Grum> but then it falls under input sanification
14:45 < Grum> which is a whole different problem
14:45 < Drainedsoul> pass me in an array index, oh if (i<count && i>=0) {
14:46 < Grum> yeah omg that is so much more work than just checking if its out of bounds the other way O.o
14:46 < Drainedsoul> it's not about it being so much more or less work.  It's about forgetting to do one of them.  It's natural when faced with an index to think "well what if it's past the end?"
14:46 < Drainedsoul> the opposite check not so much
14:47 < Grum> which basically means you do not know the language you are coding in
14:47 < Grum> you could even argue the only reason you *are* forgetting it is because there are multiple ways of doing it and thus you *can* forget it
14:47 < Drainedsoul> so everyone who's ever forgotten a bounds check does not know the language they're coding in
14:47 < Drainedsoul> I thought languages were supposed to make the programmer's life easier, not prevent him from doing so
14:47 < Grum> well apparently (according to you) they were under the impression they didn't have to check the lowerbounds
14:48 < Drainedsoul> because under any sane convention (i.e. unsigned integers) you don't
14:48 < Grum> *IF* you used  an unsigned integer
14:48 < Drainedsoul> you i>=0 is a tautology with respect to unsigned integers, you can write it
14:48 < Drainedsoul> but any good compiler will get rid of it
14:48 < Drainedsoul> yeah, which you should, because you should choose data types that reflect the data you're trying to represent
14:49 < Drainedsoul> do you use bytes instead of booleans, you can equally encode 0 and 1 in both of them
14:49 < Drainedsoul> they've even the same size!
14:49 < Grum> i actually do
14:49 < Grum> but not by choice, the jvm does it for me :P
14:50 < Drainedsoul> which misses the point entirely
14:50 < Drainedsoul> you're supposed to map values onto data types, not the other way around
14:51 < Drainedsoul> a length or size doesn't have a sign.  It doesn't make sense to have an array of negative four elements
14:51 < Grum> oh man, never more can we put two nibbles in 1 byte :(
14:51 < Grum> it would if the language was sane :p
14:51 < Grum> -4 should be '4 from the end' ;D
14:52 < Drainedsoul> that's an abstraction and doesn't actually map onto the representation of the data at all
14:52 < Drainedsoul> and has nothing to do with the size
14:52 < Drainedsoul> the size is still four
14:52 < Grum> you are literally complaining about a single bit :(
14:52 < Grum> one that you hardly ever even use :P
14:53 < Drainedsoul> if the bit was just turned off it would be fine, it's the fact that signed integers can still represent negative numbers that's troubling
14:53 < Grum> would be horrible if signed integers couldn't do that
14:53 < Grum> i mean, what would be able to do it then? :D
14:54 < Drainedsoul> which is why the two are separate data types, not one data type with both roles glued onto it as in PHP and Java
14:54 < Grum> oh man, we totally need an 'only negative'-type then
14:55 < Drainedsoul> it's not really any different than having only positive types and treating them as negative, honestly
14:55 < Drainedsoul> I'm also hard-pressed to think of a problem that maps onto only negative numbers
14:56 < Grum> hmm so for a class that defines a number range you'd have to have two objects? to reflect the state and 'positive or not'
14:56 < Grum> so what about 0 and -0 ? :P
14:56 < Grum> you just created them ;)
14:56 < Drainedsoul> well
14:56 < Drainedsoul> use one's complement
14:56 < Drainedsoul> ; )
14:57 < Grum> oooh wait.... so why not for a single bit of range-loss have that all the time!? oh wait .. that is just what unsigned does
14:57 < Drainedsoul> but it's not about the range loss.  In most cases you don't care about the number of bits as long as it's over 11 or 12
14:58 < Drainedsoul> it's about the fact that merely using an unsigned type does data checking for you
14:58 < Drainedsoul> just like using a boolean types does
14:58 < Drainedsoul> you don't have to make sure a boolean is 0 or 1, it just is
14:59 < Grum> or null
14:59 < Grum> for a Boolean
14:59 < Grum> very useful by :P
14:59 < Grum> +the way
14:59 < Drainedsoul> tri-valued logic is useful
14:59 < Drainedsoul> but I'd just prefer handling that with a nullable wrapper
14:59 < Drainedsoul> we could even go so far as to call it boost::optional
15:07 < dav1d> ...
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15:07 < dav1d> bool = 1byte, pointer = 8/16byte
15:07 < dav1d> eh
15:07 < dav1d> 4/8
15:07 < Drainedsoul_2> what are you talking about
15:08 < unnicked668> bool can represend 256-valued logic
15:08 < Drainedsoul_2> you don't need a pointer to emulate nullability
15:08 < unnicked668> too bad nobody uses this advantage
15:08 < dav1d> Drainedsoul_2: I see I thought you were talking of pointers
15:08 < Drainedsoul_2> yeah because we have something called a byte when we need more than just true or false
15:08 < dav1d> well then you should use a byte
15:08 < dav1d> not a boolean
15:08 < unnicked668> dav1d: boolean IS a byte
15:09 < dav1d> unnicked668: no it is not
15:09 < Drainedsoul_2> well no, if you wanted a space-efficient nullable byte I'd write a wrappen ontop of a byte to abstract that different away from me
15:09 < unnicked668> unless you have bit-addressable memory and OS
15:09 < Drainedsoul_2> *wrapper
15:09 < unnicked668> dav1d: it ccupies 1 byte
15:09 < dav1d> it has the size of a byte, but it is not a byte
15:09 < unnicked668> occupies
15:09 < dav1d> 15:07:23         dav1d | bool = 1byte,
15:09 < unnicked668> dav1d: what is the difference between a byte that is called a byte and a byte that is called a boolean>?
15:09 < unnicked668> name?
15:09 < dav1d> unnicked668: a byte can be 3 a boolean can't
15:10 < Drainedsoul_2> a boolean has restrictions on its value, and the meanings of those values
15:10 < unnicked668> dav1d: it can easy
15:10 < unnicked668> just memcpy 3 to it
15:10 < dav1d> unnicked668: and it evaluates to true
15:10 < dav1d> unnicked668: that is just retarded, memcpy 3 into a bool
15:10 < dav1d> use a byte
15:11 < Drainedsoul_2> how would you memcpy an rvalue anyway, shouldn't you use memset?
15:11 < Drainedsoul_2> I mean if you're going to whip out fancy C library functions at least know the one for the job
15:11 < dav1d> lol
15:12 < unnicked668> dav1d: and a byte that is 3 will evaluate to true, too
15:13 < unnicked668> var byte=3; if (byte) {}
15:13 < dav1d> unnicked668: if(cast(bool)byte) doh
15:13 < dav1d> that's what a compiler does
15:13 < unnicked668> dav1d: no. just try it in js console
15:13 < dav1d> (or a smart compiler should do)
15:14 < Drainedsoul_2> what the fuck are we really going to talk about javascript here
15:14 < dav1d> unnicked668: you know that every integer in JS is basically a double?
15:14 < Drainedsoul_2> I thought we were going to talk about sane fucking languages
15:14 < dav1d> well it's pbunny what did you expect?
15:14 < Drainedsoul_2> I don't even know who pbunny is.  Before 4 days ago I hadn't been on here in like, 18 months or so
15:15 < jast> javascript is comparably sane... just doesn't have a decent standard library
15:15 < dav1d> lucky you
15:15 < dav1d> jast: meh
15:15 < dav1d> there are a few wtf
15:15 < jast> you're still talking about pbunny? yawn
15:15 < dav1d> *wtfs
15:15 < Drainedsoul_2> it's sane compared to what
15:15 < Drainedsoul_2> PHP?
15:15 < dav1d> (not speaking of the ones in the that "wat" presentation)
15:16 < Grum> jast: sounds like c;)
15:16 < dav1d> I like that one
15:16 < jast> C has more of a stdlib than javascript
15:16 < dav1d> if obj.length && typeof(obj.length) == 'number' && obj[obj.length-1] !== undefined
15:16 < dav1d> jast: ^
15:16 < dav1d> that is sane, right?
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15:16 < unnicked668> what is hard there dav1d?
15:17 < Grum> that is many levels of WTF :p
15:17 < dav1d> btw that is a check to see if obj is an array
15:17 < dav1d> typeof(123) --> 'number'
15:17 < dav1d> 123 instanceof Number --> false
15:17 < dav1d> <3
15:17 < dav1d> but I had enough of language discussions
15:17 < Grum> every language sucks, if you disagree you just don't know the language well enough :P
15:18 < jast> true
15:18 < Drainedsoul_2> for me it's about how obviously and insidiously it sucks
15:18 < dav1d> Grum: no
15:18 < dav1d> Grum: every language sucks in a certain task
15:18 < dav1d> but some suck in more or less
15:19 < Drainedsoul_2> PHP is the golden standard of suck
15:19 < dav1d> not if your task is to print "Hello World" ;)
15:19 < dav1d> doing that wrong is even in php hard
15:20 < Drainedsoul_2> it's really hard because I write PHP all day for work and then C-like languages for fun
15:20 < Drainedsoul_2> and I'm always really thrown off when the compiler complains about ===
15:20 < unnicked668> that's because PHP is superior to C
15:20 < unnicked668> C doesn't support many of its features
15:21 < Drainedsoul_2> yeah like the fucking broken comparison operators
15:21 < unnicked668> broken?
15:21 < Drainedsoul_2> 0=='foo' // true
15:21 < unnicked668> of course it is!
15:21 < dav1d> dx: I just added someone to my /ignore list for the first time
15:21 < unnicked668> Drainedsoul_2: because () != false
15:21 < dav1d> dx: I can recommend it
15:22 < Drainedsoul_2> I kind of hate ignoring people because then seeing other people talking to empty air annoys me, so I'm tempted to ignore them too
15:22 < Drainedsoul_2> it snowballs from there
15:22 < Drainedsoul_2> was in a guild in WoW once where I had everyone in the guild on ignore except 2 ppl
15:24 < unnicked668> its a way to solipsism Drainedsoul_2
15:24 < unnicked668> you start focusing on yourself as center of the world
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15:44 < TkTech> Grum: Just reading the backlog, but there are plenty of old Minecraft bugs caused by the ugliness of signed and unsigned in Java :)
15:44 < Grum> can you name one?
15:44 < TkTech> Grum: From Notch incorrectly scaling up to a larger type when reading from the wire
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15:49 < Grum> was that byte-signed-ness?
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15:51 < TkTech> Grum: (Sorry, about to do a standup). No. There used to be a lot more "unsigned" fields in the protocol that caused issues once they were high enough
15:52 < TkTech> Grum: Notch would read them in as a byte, and bump it up to a larger type to pretend it was unsigned
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15:53 < TkTech> DataInputStream.readByte() & 0xFF -> No longer a byte
15:57 < Grum> yeah
15:57 < Grum> i think i actually went over those
15:57 < Grum> and used the proper readUnsignedByte 
15:57 < Grum> which obviously existed :p
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16:00 < Grum> but yeah, its rather scary behavior with the 'sending of 0-255' using signed bytes :P
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16:10 < unnicked668> i always wondered why signed bytes are used in mc protocol even if value can't be negative
16:11 < unnicked668> and signed shorts
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16:37 < r04r> ^ Does anyone know what that is? I've wondered the same thing
16:37 < r04r> why that is*
16:42 < jast> as was previously explained, java has very limited support for unsigned types
16:44 < r04r> derp I read it the other way around, my bad
16:44 < r04r> I meant why it uses unsigned values on the wire, but signed values in the application
16:46 <+SirCmpwn> why java does that?
16:46 <+SirCmpwn> or why minecraft uses signed numbers at all?
16:46 <+SirCmpwn> unsigned*
16:48 < r04r> The latter, why minecraft uses unsigned at all
16:48 < r04r> To cram more values in less memory?
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16:51 < TobiX> Only to save single bytes on-wire... It doesn't help memory use...
16:51 <+SirCmpwn> maybe notch wanted to pretend he wasn't using a shitty language
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16:53 < r04r> :')
16:54 < r04r> okay
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09:42 < Drainedsoul> So with JSON chat, will the literal section sign be representable in chat?
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10:40 <+md_5> Drainedsoul probably, but why are you so concerned about getting this section sign in chat
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10:55 < Drainedsoul> it's an edge case.  I want to know when I no longer have to handle it.
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14:49 < ffmdr> md_5: ping me back, I guess you are sleeping now
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15:12 < r04r> w/ 6
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18:32 <+SirCmpwn> <unnicked668> [07:20:41] that's because PHP is superior to C
18:32 <+SirCmpwn> reading that is exactly how I wanted to start my morning
18:34 < barneygale> oh god.
18:35 < mbaxter> It just needs better context
18:36 < mbaxter> PHP is superior to C in quickly writing XSS vulnerable websites, surely.
18:40 < unnicked289> mbaxter: and C is superior in slowly writing XSS vulnerable websites?
18:41 < mbaxter> \o/
18:41 <+sadimusi> unnicked289: please don't try to circumvent your ban
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18:45 < unnicked289> sadimusi ?