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20:15 < workshifter> anyone know if mc's worldgen works by generating individual 16x16x16 chunks at a time, or if it generates an entire Y column given X,Z?
20:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/gx1QgA
20:19 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 410d7d0 - fix queues mutexes, they were horribly wrong
20:19 < dav1d> ok nice notifico, but I did not push that
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20:22 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde tagged 4b99b4e as None http://git.io/VWJzRg
20:28 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/Ucz19g
20:28 < Not-001> [BraLa] Dav1dde 3517e9c - minor tweaks -> dmd 2.063
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21:02 < clonejo1> workshifter: I think it does full columns, but I do not know for sure.
21:04 <+SirCmpwn> workshifter: it does 16x256x16 chunks at a time, I believe
21:08 < Thinkofdeath> Isn't it 16x128x16 because the generation code wasn't changed?
21:08 <+SirCmpwn> yeah
21:08 <+SirCmpwn> effectively 256, though
21:09 < workshifter> cool, thanks
21:09 < workshifter> returned data in the standard chunk sector format?
21:09 < workshifter> or an array?
21:10 <+SirCmpwn> I have no knowledge of implementation details
21:17 < workshifter> darn. any suggestions where i might find out?
21:17 <+SirCmpwn> the vanilla code
21:18 <+SirCmpwn> why are the implementation details important?
21:18 < workshifter> because i'm in the process of converting my current region-sized worldgen into an infinite chunk-based generator
21:19 < workshifter> unless bukkit makes adding algos as simple as it seemed
21:21 <+SirCmpwn> I fail to see why you need to know exactly how vanilla does it to accomplish this
21:21 < workshifter> well then tell me the modern way to accomplish it :p
21:21 < workshifter> i'm open to suggestions, i was just running on the premise of "replacing the skylands algo"
21:21 <+SirCmpwn> just do it yourself, why is it important to know the method signatures vanilla uses
21:22 < workshifter> ...so i know what my algo should return?
21:22 <+SirCmpwn> will you be directly interfacing with vanilla code?
21:22 < workshifter> i don't know!
21:22 < workshifter> that's why i asked if there's a better way
21:22 < workshifter> lol
21:23 <+SirCmpwn> then why does it matter what you return
21:23 <+SirCmpwn> if vanilla minecraft isn't involved
21:23 < workshifter> because it's gonna be called by something
21:23 <+SirCmpwn> wait, are you a modder? asking for modding advice?
21:23 < workshifter> and i'd like to build this code to match the effective code that will be needed when i deploy this to my server
21:23 < workshifter> i'm a programmer trying to convert a custom worldgen algorithm into something i can use on my server
21:24 <+SirCmpwn> is your server vanilla or bukkit or something else
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21:24 < workshifter> bukkit
21:24 <+SirCmpwn> then this is not the channel for you
21:24 <+SirCmpwn> we don't do that stuff, we mostly make our own things, from scratch
21:24 <+SirCmpwn> you want #bukkitdev on irc.esper.net
21:25 < workshifter> so you're telling me that bukkit deals with terrain gen differently enough from vanilla to warrant not even considering vanilla given that i have a bukkit server?
21:26 <+SirCmpwn> I have no clue
21:26 <+SirCmpwn> I can only think of a couple people in here that know anything about bukkit, and a couple more that know enough about the vanilla code to help you
21:26 <+SirCmpwn> #bukkitdev will be much more helpful
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21:38 < dx> the channel name is a lie
21:39 < dx> most people here do development of everything except the official minecraft client/server
21:40 < Yoshi2> it's half false, half true
21:40 < dx> well the topic describes it accurately
21:41 < dx> "related to minecraft", not minecraft itself
21:41 <+SirCmpwn> what would you call the channel
21:41 <+SirCmpwn> #projects-that-are-related-to-minecraft-but-not-actually-minecraft
21:41 < dx> #nessus-ms
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21:42 <+SirCmpwn> wat
21:42 < dx> heh nevermind
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21:43 < dx> #mcdevs is fine, and on irc it's extremely common to get people asking stuff in the wrong channel, so whatever.
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22:47 < mbaxter> So uh. Colors.
22:48 < dx> colors!
22:48 < mbaxter> Will the change also break the ability to color signs?
22:54 < dx> grum did state that he wanted to kill § everywhere
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03:44 < TkTech> I think the channel ended up attracting from-scratch people because it was originally a channel for us to discuss the protocol changes on my wiki.
03:45 < TkTech> Which wasn't of much interest to the early modders, pre and post MCP.
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13:32 < SimSonic> Hello all, I have a problem with decryption again. After server and client enables encryption via AES (I'm the server and have received AES Symmetric Key) Client sends 2 bytes for me (I know that they are 0xCD and 0x00) but I cannot decrypt them in right way. AES requires 16 bytes block, I have only 2. Should I pad them or what?!?
13:32 <+sadimusi> use CFB
13:32 <+sadimusi> what language are you using?
13:34 < SimSonic> C++, Microsoft's CNG API, BCryptDecrypt function
13:36 <+sadimusi> I'm sure you can somehow pass a cipher mode when creating the cipher instance
13:37 <+sadimusi> use CFB with 8 bit block size
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14:00 < SimSonic> sadimusi, thanks! it is working! The error was that I've set CFB mode after importing session key, but should do it before!
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18:23 < Thinkofdeath> Looks like TagAPI lives for now http://i.imgur.com/DzXJEpD.png
18:24 < SinZ> heh, Gru.m lied to us then
18:24 < barneygale> TagAPI?
18:24 < Thinkofdeath> barneygale: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-mods/tag/
18:25 < Thinkofdeath> Works by changing the player's name in the spawn player packet to include colour codes
18:25 < SinZ> which gru.m said wasn't possible, and if it was, he was going to remove it
18:26 < Thinkofdeath> Although I guess teams could replace it anyway
18:26 < SinZ> teams cant set your playername to a colour AFAIK
18:26 < Thinkofdeath> Using the team prefix you can/could
18:27 < SinZ> but does it allow colour codes, thats the thing
18:27 <+pdelvo> it does as far as I know
18:28 < Thinkofdeath> Also it looks like the MC|TPack plugin channel is still in the code but doesn't work anymore
18:34 < SinZ> might need to ask dinnerbro what it changed to
18:35 < Thinkofdeath> I looked for any new channels but I couldn't find any
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18:35 < Thinkofdeath> It also doesn't work on the vanilla server
18:35 < mbaxter> Thinkofdeath: YAY!
18:36 < Thinkofdeath> mbaxter: :)
18:36 < mbaxter> And I like having TagAPI functionality separate from teams because then you can give a player a color AND put them on a team.
18:36 < Thinkofdeath> True
18:36 < Grum> <SinZ> heh, Gru.m lied to us then <-- i am going to remove it, I surely didn't mention a time right?
18:37  * SinZ opens logs
18:38 < mbaxter> Is there any benefit to removing it as long as the same color definitions exist?
18:38 < Thinkofdeath> Grum: Btw since the doDayLight game rule works by setting the dayTime in the time packet to negative. It doesn't work with time 0
18:39 < Grum> mbaxter: yes, we dont want to parse that old shit anymore
18:40 < barneygale> I'm confused. Are we saying name colours will be possible, but via the new json markup?
18:40 < barneygale> or they're being removed altogether?
18:41 < Grum> not though the old way, maybe using markup
18:41 < barneygale> I'm sure oc.tc and similar servers would appreciate being able to display 16-character coloured names
18:51 < dx> yeah, apparently the 1.6.0 release will still parse chat packets using §
18:51 < dx> but grum wants to nuke it asap
18:56 <+SirCmpwn> does it hurt anything, allowing that to work?
18:56 <+SirCmpwn> nuking legacy support for no reason is silly
18:59 < SinZ> it would simply remove a feature in some spots, like books and motd
19:02 < barneygale> oh Grum, I have a similar question for you. The current server lets you write colour codes in stdin, e.g. you can write "say §4hello world!". Will this disappear? I assume there's no way to replace it with the json stuff
19:02 < Yoshi2> Books, the MotD, signs and other places where text is put out if I forgot anything
19:02 < barneygale> yeah signs is an important one
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19:10 <+SirCmpwn> sadimusi: have you fixed burger yet?
19:14 < Grum> barneygale: yes no 'client' can use colors
19:14 < Grum> that includes the console
19:16 < Thinkofdeath> Grum: Works currently though
19:16 < Grum> it does
19:16 < Grum> we hope to break it before 1.6 we might break it after
19:17 < Thinkofdeath> Oh ok then
19:17 <+SirCmpwn> Grum: let colored signs/books stay colored
19:17 < Grum> no?
19:17 < Grum> we're stopping the complete '§' handling
19:18 < barneygale> With no replacement?
19:18 < Thinkofdeath> "<Grum> not though the old way, maybe using markup" I guess he means using a new system
19:18 < Grum> there is nothing that actually offered it as a feature tbh :)
19:26 < ShaRose> should have a way to do coloured signs though
19:28 < barneygale> yeah defo
19:30 < SinZ> you could copy+paste the funky S in books
19:30 < SinZ> and escape it for motd
19:31 < barneygale> Aye .properties files support more than some people realise heh
19:32 < SinZ> and MC version that first added languages, using german keyboard, you could type it directly, and it looked really cool, as if it was an intended feature
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19:33 < barneygale> it's a key on mac keyboards
19:33 < barneygale> which I think is why notch picked it - needed something typable but rarely-used
19:33 < SinZ> in classic it was &
19:33 < Calinou> §
19:34 < Calinou> french keyboards have this
19:34 < barneygale> I figured it changed because & was too common? I don't know - I'm too late for classic
19:34 < Calinou> IMO I'd like to see more finetunable color codes, how about this:
19:34 < Calinou> eg. ^F0F8 for half-transparent pink
19:35 < Calinou> 16-color system is bad and you should feel bad
19:35 < Calinou> it's hard to remember them
19:36 < Grum> its just math
19:36 < Grum> you just fail; and you should feel bad
19:36 < SinZ> 0-8 for dark colours
19:36 < SinZ> 9-F for bright colours
19:36 < Calinou> yes, but which
19:36 < Calinou> I only remember b and c, and I often mix these around
19:36 < Calinou> see, I have to bring some chart with me.
19:36 < Calinou> with 4 bit hexadecimal you don't
19:36 < SinZ> back in the day I knew them
19:37 < Calinou> you just calculate it in your head
19:37 < Calinou> see
19:37 < SinZ> but I haven't touched colour codes in over a year now
19:37 < Calinou> and people complain I'm a stupid 4channer
19:50 < Grum> see SinZ, that is how much you 'need' them ;)
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20:23 < barneygale> Calinou: as wiki.vg/Chat mentions, it very roughly follows terminal colours
20:23 < Calinou> since when these are easy to remember
20:23 < Calinou> I don't even know how to use colors in terminal :P
20:24 < barneygale> neither of them were designed to be easy to remember
20:24 < barneygale> only to have a (relatively) straightforward format
20:25 < barneygale> tbh I was disappointed when bold/italics/etc were added as separate codes. Should be chainable IMO, like terminal colours
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23:58 < shoghicp> The work of the MCPE channel ;) http://www.wiki.vg/Pocket_Realms
23:58 < shoghicp> Brandon15811 ^
23:58 < Brandon15811> :D
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09:21 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath f336bef - Removed old debugging code from metadata
09:21 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 36f82d9 - Added SpawnFor and DespawnFor events Updated snapshot version
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15:11 < dav1d> pdelvo: if you're wondering what just happened, I have no idea
15:13 < Yoshi2> dav1d: something happened?
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15:13 < dav1d> Yoshi2: znc related, got somehow disconnect from whole freenode for a splitsecond
15:14 < dav1d> but only freenode
15:14 < Yoshi2> ah
15:17 < dav1d> "Before performing this update, you may want to ensure you have a second terminal open with root privileges in the unlikely event of an emergency, particularly if updating over ssh."
15:17 < dav1d> yay
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15:30 <+clonejo> dav1d: Since that update, only the fallback kernel works for me.
15:31 <+clonejo> In the default kernel the LVM block devices do not appear in /dev
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15:35 < dav1d> clonejo: phew, I don't have lvm configured
15:35 <+clonejo> lucky you
15:35 < dav1d> clonejo: ha! I just updated to dmd 2.063
15:35 < dav1d> clonejo: segfault
15:35 <+clonejo> xD
15:35 < dav1d> gosh I hate it
15:35 <+clonejo> Don't the developers know about the problem?
15:36 < dav1d> clonejo: no idea what change, gotta figure it out, gotta make a bugreport, hope for a fix, or fix it myself or workaround it
15:39 < unnicked410> write a patch
15:40 < dav1d> clonejo: maybe I can fix/workaround it
15:40 < dav1d> oh yeah pbunnys tips, helpful as usual
15:40 <+clonejo> The problem seems pretty complex
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15:42 < dav1d> the current gc is a mess
15:42 < dav1d> try to take a look into core.gc, a mess and I have no clue how it exactly works
15:42 <+clonejo> There was a GC talk at DConf
15:43 <+clonejo> afaik it also explains how GC is currently done
15:43 < dav1d> clonejo: there are even two
15:43 < dav1d> I know what algorithms etc it uses, but no idea how it is implemtented
15:45 <+clonejo> Can you reproduce the segfault with a minimal example?
15:49 < dav1d> clonejo: never
15:49 < dav1d> it's brala^^
15:49 < dav1d> whenever I try to reduce it, it works
15:49 <+clonejo> I would report it.
15:52 < dav1d> currently reducing it^^
15:52 <+clonejo> :-)
15:54 < unnicked410> dav1d: then reduce it to the point where it starts working and leave it there
15:54 < dav1d> ah yeah reducing ~40-50k lines of code, nearly every piece depends on another
15:54 < dav1d> especially GC issues.. which randomly kicks in
15:55 < dav1d> clonejo: ever heared of dustmite?
15:55 < dav1d> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite amazing tool
15:55 <+clonejo> dav1d: nope
15:56 <+clonejo> awesome idea
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16:34 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7afbca3 - fixed deferred renderer
16:34 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 99fdc5f - allow to set the renderer type
16:34 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 8761f09 - shutdown game on engine shutdown
16:34 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 5c690a8 - update glwtf, dmd 2.063 stuff
16:34 < dav1d> clonejo: I think I fixed it, wanna try it sometime?
16:36 <+clonejo> dav1d: sure
16:38 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/0yZMEg
16:38 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde b72baa6 - get rid of deprectaion warnings
16:39 <+clonejo> dav1d: works!
16:40 < dav1d> cool
16:40 <+clonejo> What did you change?
16:44 < dav1d> clonejo: https://github.com/Dav1dde/glwtf/commit/c57540544623a3f61328db4245c5719b7af68f0b
16:44 < dav1d> struct → class :(
16:48 <+clonejo> okay
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17:44 < Aaron> hi
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17:44 < Aaron00> hi
17:46 < Aaron00> I just started working on a MC server. I can login (no world loaded yet though), but I try to set the player's spawn point. However I always spawn 0,63,0
17:46 < Aaron00> Anyone had this too?
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17:48 < Thinkofdeath> Aaron00: Setting the spawn point only controls the compass.
17:49 < Thinkofdeath> Aaron00: http://wiki.vg/Protocol#0x0D Controls the position
17:49 < Aaron00> Ah, really? Thanks 
17:49 < Aaron00> Already implemented 0x0D, I'll try sending that after the login
17:51 <+SirCmpwn> Aaron00: where's your github?
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17:52 < Aaron00> https://github.com/maser00/MineSharp/blob/master/MineSharp/Handlers/MovementHandlers.cs
17:53 < Aaron00> it some commits behind though
17:53 <+SirCmpwn> ooh, C# :D
17:53 <+SirCmpwn> you've seen Craft.Net, I'm sure?
17:53 <+SirCmpwn> it'll be a good resource for questions like your last
17:54 < Aaron00> First "real" project of mine (except some stupid easy projects and such) :p
17:54 < Aaron00> yes
17:54 <+SirCmpwn> suggestion: make it more modular
17:54 < Aaron00> but I try not to look at it, to prevent copying code
17:54 <+SirCmpwn> copy as much as you want, it's MIT licensed
17:55 < Aaron00> what exactly do you mean by more modular?
17:55 <+SirCmpwn> split it up
17:55 < Aaron00> yeah, working on that :p
17:55 <+SirCmpwn> look at C.N again, note how the server, networking, anvil world editing, etc, are all their own projects
17:56 < Aaron00> ok
17:56 < Aaron00> thanks
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18:37 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath c6ee44c - Fixed nil pointer on disconnect
18:37 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath fd70878 - Clean up
18:37 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 1a2e7bb - Entity Spawn event (Fixes #10)
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20:11 < xy> Hello, does someone know in which vanilla class the spawning of endermen is handled in?
20:17 < dav1d> hi xy!
20:17 < dav1d> grep -Rl nderm
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20:20 < xy> dav1d: i did that but didn't find it
20:21 < dav1d> too bad :P
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20:24 < Thinkofdeath> xy: Looks like its in BiomeGenBase
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21:20 < xy> Thinkofdeath: xy@daert:~/test/mc-dev$ find | grep BiomeGen
21:20 < xy> no results
21:21 < xy> the dir is git cloned from https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev/tree/master/net/minecraft/server
21:22 < xy> but thanks for the tip, i found it in BiomeBase
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21:25 <+SirCmpwn> xy: you probably want #mcp on irc.esper.net, we have very few experts on vanilla code here
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21:28 < xy> SirCmpwn: well, actually i just needed the class of which endermen spawning is managed to prove someone wrong who told me endermen were teleported to the overworld from the end in the game code
21:29 <+SirCmpwn> xy: that doesn't change my prior statement
21:29 < dav1d> lol
21:29 <+SirCmpwn> most of us aren't familiar with the vanilla code
21:29 < xy> hmm thanks for the tip tho ^^
21:30 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/Q0Ml4Q
21:30 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde fc87771 - update build_brala.d for 2.063
21:30 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 613f9d8 - fix stairs and slabs?
21:33 <+SirCmpwn> commits with question marks are better left uncommitted
21:34 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: no this is intended :P
21:34 < dx> sometimes you need to push experimental stuff, so why not
21:34 < dav1d> my server is called "I hate stairs" for a reason
21:34 < dav1d> dx: actually it was a fix :P
21:34 < dx> lol
21:34 <+SirCmpwn> hah
21:35 < dx> dav1d: a fix that you suspect that might not be enough?
21:35 < dav1d> texturing stairs correctly is not as easy as it might sound
21:35 < dav1d> dx: it looks correct
21:35 <+SirCmpwn> maybe I should try building brala again
21:35 < dav1d> but there might be a messed up texture somewhere
21:35 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: :)
21:35 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: pdelvo got it easily working on windows
21:35 <+SirCmpwn> does it still compare to pulling out your toenails with pliers
21:35 <+SirCmpwn> I'm not on windows
21:35 < dav1d> since when!
21:36 < dav1d> this is great news, welcome SirCmpwn to the linuxy side!
21:36 < dx> everyone assumes C# development == windows :D
21:36 <+SirCmpwn> sircmpwn@picard ~ $ uptime
21:36 <+SirCmpwn>  13:36:09 up 3 days, 16 min,  3 users,  load average: 1.00, 0.88, 0.77
21:36 < dav1d> dx: pfft he used it for a looong time
21:36 <+SirCmpwn> I'm not new to linux, dav1d
21:36 < dx> 3 days == not new
21:36 < dx> :3
21:36 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: I know, but you used windows all the time :P
21:36 <+SirCmpwn> that's my uptime, dx :P
21:37 < dx> yeah, no idea why you posted that, so i just jumped to that conclusion
21:37 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: which distribution?
21:37 <+SirCmpwn> dx: he asked how long I'd been using linux for, the current run is apparently 3 days
21:37 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: mint
21:37 < dx> SirCmpwn: lolol
21:37 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: https://code.google.com/p/d-apt/wiki/APT_Repository
21:37 < Yoshi2> three days sure does sound like a lot ;)
21:38 < dav1d> oh wait, I wrote that in my readme
21:38 <+SirCmpwn> I already feel like getting brala working is still going to be a chore
21:38 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa#ubuntudebian-based-systems :D
21:39 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: why are you passing max. 10 normals to the shader?
21:39 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: shouldn't be 6 sufficient?
21:40 <+Prf_Jakob> dav1d: plants.
21:40 <+SirCmpwn> >The following commands might depend on your current graphics driver, for mesa this would be:
21:40 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: right!
21:40 < dav1d> thanks
21:40 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: how about for nvidia proprietary drivers
21:40 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: should just work
21:40 < dav1d> (I hope)
21:40 <+SirCmpwn> skip those packages?
21:41 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: libxrandr-dev
21:41 < dav1d> you probably need that one
21:41 <+SirCmpwn> cloning
21:42 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: run "make glfw" before anything else
21:42 <+SirCmpwn> dammit dav1d
21:42 < dav1d> if it fails, you need more headers
21:42 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: mh?
21:42 <+SirCmpwn> I already started make
21:42 < dav1d> then let it continue
21:42 <+SirCmpwn> dammit dav1d
21:42 < dav1d> xD
21:42 <+SirCmpwn> I already deleted the directory and started recloning
21:43 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: make clean
21:43 <+SirCmpwn> dammit dav1d
21:43 < dav1d> well make clean-all
21:43 < dav1d> :)
21:43 < dav1d> I should probably documentate the makefile
21:43 <+SirCmpwn> why aren't you using configure and shit
21:43 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: are you serious?
21:43 <+SirCmpwn> maybe
21:43 <+SirCmpwn> I don't do native development on linux often, you tell me
21:44 < dav1d> configure to run would take longer than the actual compilation
21:44 < dav1d> CMake would be an option, but no idea how this works together with D
21:44 <+SirCmpwn> you're face
21:44 < dav1d> is amazing
21:44 < dav1d> thanks, I know
21:45 <+SirCmpwn> it opened on the wrong display
21:45 <+SirCmpwn> and stole my mouse
21:45 <+SirCmpwn> pressing esc made it exit
21:45 < dav1d> wrong display?
21:46 <+SirCmpwn> monitor
21:46 <+SirCmpwn> I have four of them, it opened on the one across the room
21:46 < dav1d> yeah no multi-monitor support
21:46 <+SirCmpwn> how about "move the window" support
21:46 < dav1d> lol get the fuck outta here, 4 monitors
21:46 < dav1d> I have one small
21:46 < dav1d> ^^
21:46 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: mh? you can't move the window?
21:46 <+SirCmpwn> not if it stole my mouse
21:47 <+SirCmpwn> I don't use a fancy wm that can move windows with the keyboard
21:47 < dav1d> ah I see, a way to ungrab the mouse mh
21:47 < dav1d> well yeah, ESC will do it once there is a guy, but alt-tab should work?
21:47 <+SirCmpwn> really
21:47 <+SirCmpwn> you can do better than that
21:47 < dav1d> actually no
21:48 < dav1d> that is a current glfw limitation (except dreda fixed it)
21:48 <+SirCmpwn> it works, but painfully
21:48 <+SirCmpwn> the mouse sensitivity is really, really low
21:48 <+SirCmpwn> and when I move around, the view will sometimes jump all of a sudden
21:49 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: do you see spikes in the "Frame-Time"?
21:49 <+SirCmpwn> where would I see that
21:49 < dav1d> in the console
21:49 < dav1d> (assuming you started brala from the console)
21:50 <+SirCmpwn> seems pretty stable
21:50 <+SirCmpwn> between 3 and 6 ms
21:51 < dav1d> means it runs at ~300 fps
21:51 < dav1d> btw
21:51 <+SirCmpwn> indeed
21:51 <+SirCmpwn> do you really have to log every time you free memory, by the way
21:51 < dav1d> mh if there are no lagspikes then the camera shouldn't jump
21:51 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: that's the debug loglevel
21:51 <+SirCmpwn> it happens as I move
21:52 < dav1d> can't be changed except you edit code (should probably change that)
21:52 <+SirCmpwn> camera jumping around happens as I move, that is
21:52 < dav1d> mh
21:52 <+SirCmpwn> it's not any sort of framerate lag, it's like the entire thing moves
21:53 < dav1d> gotta rewrite all of that anyways then I can investigate that further
21:53 <+SirCmpwn> mouse sensitivity is probably the biggest issue
21:53 <+SirCmpwn> I'm using a logitech G9x
21:53 < dav1d> yeah that's pretty slow
21:54 < dav1d> I'll add a config option, lemmy see if that fits into the current "design"
21:54 <+SirCmpwn> I see a distinct lack of UI
21:54 <+SirCmpwn> didn't you add that horrible dependency for it?
21:54 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: rm -rf'd
21:54 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: will either be "surfi" or a lightweight lua ui
21:54 < dav1d> I think it'll be the latter
21:55 <+SirCmpwn> I should learn lua
21:55 <+SirCmpwn> people seem to like it
21:55 < dav1d> adding luajit to the dependencies
21:55 < dav1d> but that's not a big deal
21:55 < dav1d> lua is nice for scripting, imo (actually never used it for more)
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21:56 <+SirCmpwn> what I should really do is finish the bloody refactoring branch in Craft.Net
21:56 <+SirCmpwn> stupid circular references
21:58 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/eIWgRQ
21:58 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 3abfadd - add mouse-sensitivity as option
21:58 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: res/brala.conf – game.mouse.sensitivity
21:59 < dav1d> and yeah I also get that stottering if I increase the sensitivity a bit
22:00 <+SirCmpwn> much better, dav1d
22:00 <+SirCmpwn> I increased it to 50 and it works fine
22:00 < dav1d> 50? wow
22:00 < dav1d> I have to investigate that
22:00 <+SirCmpwn> add movement speed?
22:00 < dav1d> 15 is too much for me
22:00 <+SirCmpwn> moves a bit slow, too
22:00 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: no, this will be part of the "new" camera
22:01 <+SirCmpwn> k
22:01 < dav1d> it is creative speed atm
22:01 <+SirCmpwn> when do you plan on doing proper movement and such?
22:01 < dav1d> ha! good question
22:01 < dav1d> is on the todo list for a while now
22:01 <+SirCmpwn> you've got rendering pretty much down
22:01 <+SirCmpwn> need sky, clouds, maybe a few more models
22:01 < dav1d> hehe, currently rewriting most of that ;)
22:01 <+SirCmpwn> oh, lighting, too
22:01 < dav1d> to get awesome lighting and shadows n' stuff
22:02 < dav1d> want it to look similiar to charged :) http://imgur.com/a/YtHmf#0
22:03 <+SirCmpwn> "jumping" happens when I fly into blocks
22:03 < dav1d> ah haha
22:03 < dav1d> that is the server resetting your position
22:03 < dav1d> also the camera is currently at your feet
22:04 <+SirCmpwn> ah
22:05 <+SirCmpwn> well, it's looking good, dav1d 
22:05 <+SirCmpwn> keep it up
22:05 < dav1d> :)
22:07 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: wanna launch it with --renderer=forward and see if you get better performance?
22:08 <+SirCmpwn> I had great performance before
22:08 <+SirCmpwn> it's doing frames in about 1.4 milliseconds now
22:09 <+SirCmpwn> which is about twice as good
22:09 < dav1d> dammit
22:09 < dav1d> I was hoping it wasn't too much slower (I get here ~ the same performance)
22:11 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: foward is the better one, that is
22:12 < dav1d> well, I'll try to implement both, fancy deferred, less fancy forward
22:12 <+SirCmpwn> I should spend more time working on my client
22:12 <+SirCmpwn> or any time, really
22:13 <+SirCmpwn> I'm not good with opengl :/
22:13 < dav1d> ha, me neither
22:14 <+SirCmpwn> you're far better than I am, apparently
22:14 <+SirCmpwn> I can't even get a textured cube on the screen
22:14 < dav1d> :)
22:14 < dav1d> yeah I know the basics, some basic lighting, but nothing fancy
22:15 < dav1d> learning without a proper resource is hard :/
22:15 <+SirCmpwn> there are about as many resources for D as there are for C#
22:15 < dav1d> correctly, nearly none
22:15 < dav1d> *correct
22:15 < dav1d> except a few good books which are really expensive :(
22:16 <+clonejo> dav1d: Can't you take any generic OpenGL book?
22:16 < dav1d> clonejo: they are expensive :P
22:16 < dav1d> starts at 50$
22:16 <+SirCmpwn> it seems that you have to pay your way into opengl skill
22:16 < dav1d> ends at ~360$
22:16 <+SirCmpwn> there are very few good resources online
22:16 < dav1d> na not really, most of that is really old
22:16 < dav1d> and deprecated
22:17 <+SirCmpwn> if you want to support older opengl versions, then you significantly complicate things, too
22:17 < dav1d> well opengl 2.0+ isn't too bad
22:17 < dav1d> opengl 2.0 has most of the stuff as extension
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22:24 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7d2d278 - readme, remove mesa opengl header
22:31 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: so it wasn't that bad to build it this time
22:31 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: well done
22:31 < dav1d> yeah :)
22:31 < dav1d> I tried to make it as easy as possible
22:31 <+SirCmpwn> it used to be horrible
22:31 < dav1d> haha :D
22:32 < dav1d> should also be relativly easy on windows
22:32 <+SirCmpwn> and you've got an extremely impressive framerate out of my computer
22:33 <+SirCmpwn> 700+ FPS
22:33 <+SirCmpwn> probably want to add vsync option
22:33 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: which graphics card?
22:33 <+SirCmpwn> nvidia gtx 670
22:33 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/fzfj5A
22:33 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 23d4718 - remove unused imports from build_brala.d
22:33 < dav1d> good idea
22:34 < dav1d> ah gotta improve my config-file handler first, having it fire callbacks on change :)
22:34 <+SirCmpwn> maybe you should add a more graceful way to release the mouse first