02:25 <+SirCmpwn> especially related to crypto
02:25 <+sadimusi> yes, some of them are even linked in the wiki
02:25 <+sadimusi> so borrowing code is pretty much encouraged
02:26 <+SirCmpwn> I should update the links to Craft.Net on the wiki, looks like they 404
02:27 <+ammar2> sadimusi: hmm, apparently my terribad code (tm) actually inspired his project https://github.com/nickelpro/spock/blob/master/legal.md#pycraft
02:27 <+ammar2> knew I should have nuked it before it infected other things
02:27 < shoghicp> I'm in the middle of the MCPE update xD
02:28 < moejoe> can't find craft.net either in your wiki or anywhere else O.o
02:28 <+SirCmpwn> https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net/tree/refactoring
02:28 <+SirCmpwn> it's C#, though, probably not relevant to you
02:28 < moejoe> thx
02:30 < moejoe> which one would you consider to be the main python client?
02:30 < moejoe> if not pycraft
02:30 <+SirCmpwn> it's not really about clients or servers, it's about projects
02:30 <+SirCmpwn> I'd say mc3p is the main python project
02:31 < moejoe> i see
02:32 <+ammar2> moejoe: I'd advise not using that old piece of junk (pyCraft), looks like the spock author improved on my stuff quite a bit and if you're gonna choose between them, spock is probably the better choice
02:32 <+ammar2> moejoe: what error were you getting with crypto?
02:33 <+SirCmpwn> oh no, SMProxy is outdated
02:33 <+SirCmpwn> let's fix that
02:36 < moejoe> ammar2: i'm trying to unsinstall and install it again via pip but i messed stuff up with the permissions
02:37 < moejoe> ammar2: OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/crypto-1.1.0-py2.7.egg-info/dependency_links.txt'
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02:48 <+SirCmpwn> is Notifico down?
02:52 <+ammar2> SirCmpwn: I think so, someone else was saying that in #notifico and the bot hasn't come back since dav.1d upset it
02:53 <+SirCmpwn> well, in any case, I added binaries for SMProxy 1.5.2 to the site: http://sircmpwn.github.io/SMProxy/
02:57 < superjoe> SirCmpwn, yes
02:57 < superjoe> not under active development, but basic maintenance, yes
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11:05 < Not-001> [mc-erl] clonejo 4268027 - extended Makefile
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12:18 < InusualZ> Some one?
12:21 < AnotherOne|2> yep
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12:21 < AnotherOne> fuck!
12:21 < AnotherOne> how does local git know who i am on github?
12:21 < InusualZ> I need some one who know C#
12:21 <+clonejo> InusualZ: just ask your question
12:22 < InusualZ> How to structure a Packet
12:22 <+clonejo> You might use a class for every packet type.
12:32 < InusualZ> SirCmpwn 
12:32 <+md_5> is sleeping
12:32 < InusualZ> noooooo
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12:45 < AnotherOne> i can use git!
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13:44 <+sadimusi> InusualZ: I'd use literal dictionary definitions
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13:52 < Grum> <AnotherOne> how does local git know who i am on github? <-- because you've cloned your repo from a github.com url :)
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13:52 < AnotherOne> no i didn't
13:52 < Grum> then it doesnt ;)
13:52 < AnotherOne> but i think github client wrote params
13:53 < Grum> oh you using some graphical thingie?
13:53 < AnotherOne> how should i place visual studio project into repo to not make unsorted trash?
13:53 < AnotherOne> no
13:53 < AnotherOne> i like console version more
13:54 < nastyCreeper> why do you need visual blowrdio stuff?
13:55 < AnotherOne> because it is nice
13:55 < Grum> you just put the sourcefiles in the repo
13:55 < Grum> nothing that contains any sort of localized things
13:57 <+md_5> Grum whilst I'm here can I ask you a really big favour on behalf of myself, others, and the MinecraftForge team.   Packet 01 Logiin has dimensions ID as a byte. Packet 09 has it as an int. Forge and other things need it to be int in the login packet too. Can this be arranged
13:57  * md_5 puppy eyes - makes the protocol sane
14:03 < AnotherOne> so i just put source files in the repo and add them to project anywhere?
14:04 < nastyCreeper> AnotherOne: what is nice in microshaft virual shitudio ? why did you choose it?
14:05 < AnotherOne> anything else is worse
14:05 < nastyCreeper> how about netbeans + c ?
14:05 < AnotherOne> netbeans... is it written in java?
14:05 < nastyCreeper> yes
14:05 < nastyCreeper> this is not server, so it's ok
14:06 < AnotherOne> so no
14:06 < AnotherOne> eclipse is enough for me
14:06 < AnotherOne> too slow
14:06 < nastyCreeper> netbeans is faster than eclipse
14:06 < AnotherOne> can it show const value on mouseover?
14:07 < Grum> md_5: meh
14:07 < AnotherOne> why do you have vs so much?:)
14:07 < AnotherOne> hate*
14:07 < Grum> 256 dimensions not enough? :/
14:07 < nastyCreeper> AnotherOne: because m$ is about destroying open source
14:07 <+md_5> you spoke about the protocol being sane. this is one of those things that is an exactly THREE line change, that helps everyone stay sane
14:07 < nastyCreeper> also it spyes on users
14:08 <+md_5> at the moment MinecraftForge has to use its own login packet. 256 is not enough
14:08 <+md_5> and you already have an int for one of the packets
14:08 < Grum> maybe i'll change em both to a short? :D
14:08 < AnotherOne> nastyCreeper: my code is open source anyway:)
14:08 < nastyCreeper> AnotherOne: by open source i mostly mean linux community
14:08 <+md_5> that would be breaking it for the sake of breaking it. I think short is too conservative as well
14:09 < nastyCreeper> m$ already enforced UEFI that screws freedom
14:09 < nastyCreeper> some pc vendors don't make it possible to disable it
14:09 < nastyCreeper> so you are onyl able to install redhat, ubuntu and some other distros
14:09 < nastyCreeper> also m$ enforced directx support to video card vendors
14:09 <+sadimusi> nastyCreeper: stop it
14:09 < nastyCreeper> which linux can't use good
14:10 < nastyCreeper> sadimusi: sorry, i just hate m$ that much
14:10 < AnotherOne> still vs is best c++ ide
14:10 < AnotherOne> i was surprised ms had something good
14:11 < nastyCreeper> isn't it for c# only?
14:12 < Flemmard`> no VS is for C, C++, C#, VB, VB.NET ..
14:12 < nastyCreeper> what is used for code compilation there?
14:12 <+md_5> I use netbeans for C and Java. IntelliJ for python and php and nodejs
14:12 <+md_5> thats all
14:12 < Flemmard`> it uses a ms compiler
14:12 < nastyCreeper> Flemmard`: that is a problem.
14:12 < nastyCreeper> compiler may inject anything into your code
14:12 < Flemmard`> meh
14:13 < AnotherOne> netbeans you say
14:13 < AnotherOne> let's try
14:13 < nastyCreeper> netbeans.
14:13 < nastyCreeper> (y)
14:14 < AnotherOne> damnit, nastyCreeper
14:14 < AnotherOne> many people analyze asm code of apps
14:15 < AnotherOne> and no one says "omg ms is injecting shit!!!111"
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14:15 < nastyCreeper> AnotherOne: asm code is quite hard to analyze
14:16 < nastyCreeper> even open source software isn't analized frequently unless it's something really well-known
14:16 <+md_5> doesnt matter
14:16 <+md_5> your friend pbunny spent his entire life analysing every line of code in his system
14:16 <+md_5> and bios
14:16 <+md_5> and cpu microcide
14:16 < nastyCreeper> wow
14:16 <+md_5> microcode
14:17 <+md_5> or so he claims
14:17 <+md_5> which would take longer than his entire lifetime
14:17 <+md_5> yet apparently he has done it
14:17 < nastyCreeper> maybe he joked?
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14:21 < TobiX> AnotherOne: Well, MS IS "injecting" "shit" into every C++ program you compile with their compiler (It's called STL and you can even read the source code ;))
14:21 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: i'm sure m$ is creative enough to inject something that will help distribute windows
14:23 < nastyCreeper> i.e. suddenly user's skype begins to spam m$ links
14:23 < nastyCreeper> etc
14:24 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: Well, that's easy, since Skype == MS
14:24 < TobiX> But they wouldn't do that, because that would spoil their public image
14:26 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: not quite. they can always say that somebody wants to spoil their image
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14:26 < nastyCreeper> and many users still open links sent in such spam
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14:29 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: Your UEFI argument is invalid btw.
14:32 < SinZ> oh ffs, your still here
14:34 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: why?
14:35 < TobiX> Because UEFI does NOTHING to restrict your freedom
14:35 < nastyCreeper> UEFI won't allow to run grub if you don't have its key there
14:36 < nastyCreeper> you will have unsolvable problems building your own linux distro, for example
14:36 < nastyCreeper> you can disable UEFI, but some pc vendors don't allow that
14:36 < nastyCreeper> so you are forced to use windows, redhat, ubuntu and some other semi-commercial distros
14:36 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: That is bullshit, please educate yourself before telling untruths, thank you
14:36 < nastyCreeper> because to have your distro's key in UEFI, you must sign it with m$
14:36 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: hold on, i'll give you the link
14:37 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: And for the love of god, please don't confuse UEFI and SecureBoot
14:37 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: And even then your argument is invalid
14:38 < nastyCreeper> http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/How-to-install-Linux-on-UEFI-systems-where-GRUB-fail-to-install/td-p/674103 ( first result in google )
14:38 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: well SecureBoot is shipped almost as often as UEFI
14:38 < nastyCreeper> pc vendors believe that windows OS == secure pc
14:39 < nastyCreeper> and linux is for hackers
14:39 < nastyCreeper> etc
14:39 < TobiX> MS requires SecureBoot to be disable-able (is that a word?) (firmware bugs nonwithstanding)
14:39 < nastyCreeper> citation needed
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14:42 <+sadimusi> nastyCreeper: http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/D/F/ADF5BEDE-C0FB-4CC0-A3E1-B38093F50BA1/windows8-hardware-cert-requirements-system.pdf
14:42 <+sadimusi> page 122
14:45 < AnotherOne> http://cs408919.vk.me/v408919150/1080/02-3NuzyWdc.jpg
14:46 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: And you don't even need to disable Secure Boot, just boot your linux distro with a Microsoft-signed (I know, shocking!) shim...
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14:50 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: yes, that's what i'm talking about!
14:50 < nastyCreeper> m$ now decides whether linux distro is required to run or not
14:50 < nastyCreeper> can you imagine what it can lead to?
14:55 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: MS demonstrated no such thing. They signed shim and the Linux Foundation bootloader without problems - But, yes, I'll keep your horror scenario in mind and start protesting the day MS mandates that Secure Boot cannot be switched off. Until then I applaud them for their move against bootkit malware...
14:56 < nastyCreeper> "They signed shim and the Linux Foundation bootloader without problems" - what about bootloader i compile myself?
14:56 < nastyCreeper> iirc the key is provided for specific binary
14:56 < jast> how often do you need to compile your own secureboot bootloader?
14:56 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: Buy a 99$ certificate and submit it for certification. Done.
14:56 < jast> do you compile your own CPUs, too?
14:56 < nastyCreeper> jast: i am going to recompile everything from source code soon
14:56 < nastyCreeper> thanks to pbunny advice
14:57 < jast> including the compiler? with... what?
14:57 < jast> oh... a binary compiler
14:57 < jast> bam, you lose
14:57 < nastyCreeper> jast: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
14:57 < jast> yeah, and where does your compiler for that come from?
14:57 < nastyCreeper> jast: well, it is the best i can do
14:57 < nastyCreeper> jast: pbunny will send me
14:57 < jast> if the best you can do is comparably insecure to not doing it...
14:57 < nastyCreeper> he recompiled everything like 20 times
14:57 < jast> you're creating work for yourself. which is all awesome, of course.
14:57 < jast> so, 20*0
14:58 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: I suggest reading "Reflections on trusting trust" by Ken Thompson
14:58 < nastyCreeper> so it's very low chance that backdoor kept moving from system to system via compilation
14:58 < jast> that's a lot of benefit
14:58 < jast> the chance is pretty much equivalent
14:58 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: As long as the chance is != 0, you still loose
14:58 < jast> if one compiler is manipulated, chances are all of them are
14:59 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: sorry i don't want to give 99% to m$ so it will allow me to boot my system
14:59 < nastyCreeper> how is that called.. um, robbery
14:59 < jast> after all, one manipulated compiler will infect all other compilers created by it
14:59 < jast> nastyCreeper: so, you can disable secureboot. $99 saved, nothing lost. yay!
14:59 < nastyCreeper> jast: for now
14:59 < nastyCreeper> jast: also, not on any pc
15:00 < nastyCreeper> many pc vendors enforce secureboot by default
15:00 < jast> for now anyone can access the internet without providing a digital signature
15:00 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: You are giving 99$ to VeriSign, so they can verify your identity
15:00 < jast> for now everyone isn't locked up
15:00 < jast> for now we're not killed by robot overlords
15:00 < nastyCreeper> yes
15:00 < nastyCreeper> by m$'s course is pretty obvious
15:00 < jast> so's your face
15:00 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: i have no urge to give my identity info to some US-based company, thanks
15:00 < TobiX> nastyCreeper: Any proof for enforced SecureBoot on PC?
15:00 < jast> proof by paranoia(tm)
15:03 < nastyCreeper> "While Microsoft claims the OEMs would be free to decide which keys to include and how to manage them,[17] competing OS vendors' relative lack of influence on the desktop OS market compared to Microsoft might mean that, even if signed versions of their operating systems were available, they might face difficulties getting hardware vendors to include their keys, especially if end users won't be able to manage those keys themsel
15:03 < nastyCreeper> sounds sad
15:04 < nastyCreeper> linux isn't actually popular amongst most desktop pc vendors
15:04 < nastyCreeper> i'm sure some pc vendors don't know what linux is at all
15:04 < nastyCreeper> so they will reply like "what? it's just some spyware, we won't install a key for it"
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15:14 < nastyCreeper> i'm sure it will change, seeing tendency of m$ conquering pc market and enforcing their standards on hardware
15:14 < nastyCreeper> i.e. directx
15:14 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: m$ can change the rules any time, i.e. "because linux is a hacker OS that isn't easy to get searched by police"
15:14 < nastyCreeper> or to fight terrorist
15:14 < nastyCreeper> its an US-company under the wing of NSA
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15:17 < TobiX> Now that is tinfoil-hat talk. At this point it seems unreasonable to argue with you. Thanks for making that obvious
15:18 < nastyCreeper> what else to expect?
15:18 < nastyCreeper> fight terrorism *
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15:19 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: prognosing events is used widely, i.e. in politics
15:19 < nastyCreeper> i don't see how microsoft's strategy isn't politics
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15:19 < nastyCreeper> they work for US to dominate pc market
15:19 < nastyCreeper> to corner the world
15:19 < nastyCreeper> Microsoft does not seem worried about the lawsuit. "Consumers are free to purchase PCs with a non-Microsoft operating system, or without any operating system," a Microsoft spokesperson told Ars. "However, consumers benefit from the preinstallation of Windows on PCs. It provides the best user experience from the time a consumer first turns on the PC, and saves consumers the substantial effort and resources associated with havin
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15:30 < nastyCreeper> TobiX: that was a quote from http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/01/italian-class-action-suit-targets-unwanted-windows-installs/
15:30 < nastyCreeper> m$ sees people as bags of money that have pleasure from buying pcs and seeing icons
15:31 < dav1d> and it's tru
15:31 < dav1d> *true
15:31 < dav1d> give my father a pc without operating system, he will kill you
15:32 < nastyCreeper> because he is m$ zombie already
15:32 < nastyCreeper> simple
15:32 < nastyCreeper> he URGES ICONS
15:33 < nastyCreeper> dav1d: btw, windows is not the only operating system.
15:33 < dav1d> give my father a linux and he will kill you
15:33 < nastyCreeper> see above
15:33 < dav1d> give him a mac and I will kill you
15:35 < nastyCreeper> sadimusi forces me to stop, so i will stop
15:35 < nastyCreeper> we will talk other time
15:35 < dav1d> no please not
15:36 < AnotherOne> hey people, what is better to get int16 from byte array?
15:36 < AnotherOne> _dst = *reinterpret_cast<int16_t*>(_pf_buffer.data() + _offset);
15:36 < AnotherOne> or
15:36 < AnotherOne> memcpy(&_dst, _pf_buffer.data() + _offset, sizeof(_dst));
15:37 < nastyCreeper> first.
15:37 < dav1d> AnotherOne: neither, both don't respect endians
15:38 < dav1d> AnotherOne: but if you don't care about endianes the first
15:46 < AnotherOne> endianness is in next line of code:)
15:46 < AnotherOne> why first?
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15:49 < dav1d> AnotherOne: you can fix it in one go, there are function for that
15:49 < dav1d> oh c++, I correct mysekf, I think there are functions like that
15:49 < dav1d> *myself
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16:08 < AnotherOne> dav1d: yes i can, but why? im ok with 2 lines
16:09 < AnotherOne> i used conversions from sdl_net
16:09 < dav1d> AnotherOne: -1 line, less errors, easier to understand
16:09 < dav1d> AnotherOne: why are you using sdl?
16:09 < AnotherOne> there is no 64-bit conversion
16:09 < AnotherOne> sdl is nice
16:09 < dav1d> AnotherOne: the api is a pain and it's really fat if you only use it for networking
16:10 < AnotherOne> i will use boost::asio later
16:10 < AnotherOne> now it doesn't work for me
16:11 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/G09DstRW
16:11 < AnotherOne> is it hard to understand?
16:12 <+sadimusi> this reminds me why I don't ever use C++
16:13 < dav1d> AnotherOne: why don't you cast?
16:13 < dav1d> memcpy is fat, a cast is free
16:13 < dav1d> but to your question if it is understandable, it isn't
16:14 < dav1d> all this magic _.* stuff
16:14 < AnotherOne> not magic for me:)
16:14 < dav1d> you asked me if it is hard to understand, not yourself :)
16:15 < AnotherOne> _var is argument, _pf_var is private field
16:15 < Yoshi2> it is only a matter of time until you don't understand it yourself :p
16:15 < AnotherOne> why?
16:16 < nastyCreeper> omg, flipping endianness is as simple as several assignments
16:16 < nastyCreeper> why a LIBRARY is needed for taht?
16:16 < dav1d> aha
16:16 < AnotherOne> because this is boost
16:16 < nastyCreeper> https://dpaste.de/98yOR/raw/ - just use that
16:17 < AnotherOne> omfg
16:17 < Yoshi2> if at some point in the future you put the code away for a few months, it will be difficult to remember why you did something in some way in your code
16:17 < nastyCreeper> and you can just get _size with sizeof()
16:17 < dav1d> AnotherOne: please don't do it like that, boost::* is good
16:18 < nastyCreeper> no. it's a heavy third-party library that isn't needed
16:18 < AnotherOne> somebody here told me that using loops for endian conversion is bad
16:18 < nastyCreeper> why?
16:18 < nastyCreeper> well you can unroll it
16:18 < dav1d> AnotherOne: it is
16:18 < nastyCreeper> however you will need to make a macro/function for every size possible
16:18 < AnotherOne> because it can be done without loops
16:18 < nastyCreeper> 2, 4, 8, maybe 16
16:18 < nastyCreeper> sure
16:18 < dav1d> AnotherOne: also don't listen to him, boost is fine
16:18 < nastyCreeper> but then it will be several funcs
16:19 < dav1d> AnotherOne: it does what you need and is well tested and is optimized already
16:19 < AnotherOne> https://github.com/TRocket/gnuCraft/blob/master/src/protocol/conversion.hpp
16:19 < dav1d> also from what I heared boost::asio is pretty good
16:19 < AnotherOne> not so heavy
16:19 < nastyCreeper> dav1d: you need to use a library only when you need to do something hard or something big
16:20 < Yoshi2> or when you don't want to reimplement something yourself
16:20 < AnotherOne> ^
16:20 < nastyCreeper> wrong
16:20 < dav1d> AnotherOne: is this your code?
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16:20 < AnotherOne> no
16:20 < nastyCreeper> reimplementing 3 lines of code is ok
16:20 < nastyCreeper> or just copy paste from somewhere
16:21 < dav1d> +violate any license
16:21 < dav1d> because "we don't give a fuck"
16:23 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/UmpGSLuS
16:23 < AnotherOne> what is better?
16:24 <+sadimusi> first
16:25 < AnotherOne> why?
16:26 <+sadimusi> it's way more readable
16:26 <+sadimusi> but it'll probably perform worse
16:29 < dav1d> AnotherOne: boost
16:29 < dav1d> AnotherOne: it is readable, everyone knows what it does, it is tested, it is optimized and it will most likely be inlined
16:29 < dav1d> AnotherOne: since you depend anyways on boost (boost::asio) everyting is fine
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16:31 < dav1d> also there is the "htons" family
16:33 < AnotherOne> i dont like it
16:34 < AnotherOne> it does the same but needs winsock include on windows
16:37 < nastyCreeper> this is problem of windows, not htons
16:38 < dav1d> why is this a problem? o.O
16:38 < dav1d> if it is, use boost
16:39 < nastyCreeper> there is a problem of m$ existing in our planet
16:40 < AnotherOne> dav1d: so i do
16:48 < AnotherOne> anyway, ms is useful too
16:49 < AnotherOne> linux is nice, but windows is better
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16:50 < AnotherOne> oh
16:50 <+sadimusi> his ban was removed by accident
16:50 < dav1d> sadimusi: wrong
16:50 < AnotherOne> so i dont need to write answer...
16:50 < dav1d> sadimusi: he was never banned
16:51 <+sadimusi> dav1d: I banned him for a day, then TkTech banned him again a few hours after the ban was lifted
16:51 < dav1d> sadimusi: oh daily, then I missed that
16:51 < dav1d> I just  don't remember a day I didn't see this fucker
16:52 < TkTech> When I cleaned some of the ancient bans I accidentally removed his.
16:53 < dav1d> what about unnicked?
16:53 < dav1d> = pbunny
16:56 < jast> any incarnation of pbunny is easy to recognize due to his repeating the same old stuff again and again. I haven't seen it from unnicked yet.
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16:58 < dav1d> jast: joined the first time shortly after pbunny was banned, (shortly after nastyCreepeer joined). then joined right after sadimusi said nastyCreeper has to stop or ban
16:59 < jast> but hasn't been as annoying as the other clown nicks yet, right?
16:59 < dav1d> not so far
16:59 < jast> that, to me, would be a sufficient argument to not be completely convinced that it's actually pbunny :)
17:00 < Yoshi2> there were at least two unnickeds in this channel, one of the two was talking about how paranoia does not exist
17:00 < jast> also, unnicked hasn't joined yet, even though nastyCreeper was banned just a few minutes ago...
17:01 < jast> okay, that doesn't actually mean much
17:01 < jast> back to work o/~
17:03 < dav1d> I should make znc log stuff
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17:04 < dx> 11:50 < TkTech> When I cleaned some of the ancient bans I accidentally removed his.
17:04 < dx> TkTech: lol.
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17:18 < AnotherOne> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iterator/inserter/
17:18 < AnotherOne> what if i need opposite thing?
17:18 < AnotherOne> that overwrites instead of inserting
17:19 < AnotherOne> and inserts if nothing to overwrite
17:25 <+SirCmpwn> AnotherOne: /join #c++
17:25 <+SirCmpwn> AnotherOne: correction, /join ##c++
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17:29 < dx> should i be bothered by the fact that i don't know wtf that code he linked means? (the first code block)
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17:30 < dx> should i bother curing my ignorance regarding c++?
17:30 < TRocket> yes.
17:30 <+sadimusi> no
17:30 < dav1d> no, definitly not
17:30 <+SirCmpwn> learn C, it's a lot better
17:30 < dx> i already know C
17:30 <+SirCmpwn> then you're good to go
17:30 < dx> heh
17:30 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: how can C be better than C++ if C is basically a subset of C++
17:31 < dx> dav1d: a subset with less design flaws :P
17:31 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: I have no response to that because it is incorrect
17:31 < dav1d> dx: you're not forced to use c++ in .cpp files :P
17:31 <+SirCmpwn> and I think you know that, but it's early
17:31 < dav1d> dx: g++ accepts C
17:31 < dx> dav1d: oh of course
17:31 < dav1d> so you can take what you like from C++ and use C
17:31 <+SirCmpwn> I don't just target x86 and friends
17:32 <+SirCmpwn> g++ is not always my compiler
17:32 < dav1d> what?
17:32 < dav1d> clang++ also does that, g++ cross compiles to literally everything
17:32 <+SirCmpwn> not z80
17:32 < dx> hah
17:32 < dx> fun
17:32 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: is there a C++ compiler for z80?
17:32 <+SirCmpwn> I hope not
17:33 <+SirCmpwn> C++ produces pretty bloated machine code
17:33 <+SirCmpwn> that's not acceptable when you're working with 6 MHz and 32K of memory
17:33 < dav1d> then your point is invalid, that c++ compiler would also accept C
17:34 <+SirCmpwn> no, I don't think there is one
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17:34 < dx> i don't think any language except C or ASM is acceptable for z80 and microcontrollers in that spec range
17:34 <+SirCmpwn> and regardless, my point doesn't even change when using g++
17:34 <+SirCmpwn> I don't like any of the extensions C++ puts on C, even if the compiler accepts them
17:34 < dx> oh wait people used BASIC lol
17:34 <+SirCmpwn> it's not the compiler I have a problem with, it's C++
17:35 < jast> quoting: how can C be better than C++ if C is basically a subset of C++
17:35 < jast> perfection isn't when there's nothing more to be added. it's when there's nothing more to take away.
17:35 < dx> i like that.
17:35 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: not everything of C++ is bad, especially the newer versions, generalizing that is wrong (I am not defending C++ here)
17:35 <+Fador> dx: z80 isn't really a microcontroller, it's CPU ;)
17:35 < dav1d> jast: I would know so many thinks I'd add to C
17:35 < jast> I didn't come up with it myself, sadly :)
17:35 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: not everything about PHP is bad, but I still don't use it
17:35 <+Fador> I have a stack of z80's here
17:36 < dx> Fador: i didn't say it was, i just said the specs are comparable to microcontrollers
17:36 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: well the subset of PHP which is not bad, is too small to write a hello world, I guess
17:36 < Shoot> anyone looking into Scrolls?
17:36 < dav1d> (I originally only said C is part of C++, so how can C++ be worse)
17:37 <+SirCmpwn> PHP works fine for writing HTML
17:37 < dav1d> but whatever
17:37 <+SirCmpwn> not dynamic HTML, but, you know, static content
17:37 < dav1d> language discussions are pointless
17:37 <+SirCmpwn> i.e. PHP without any PHP
17:37 < dx> heh right, html is a subset of php
17:37 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: then it's not PHP
17:37 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: and C without the ++ is not C++
17:37 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: thank you for arguing my point for me
17:37 < dav1d> php <? > <- between those tags, I don't remember how to write them
17:38 < jast> I guess SirCmpwn wins this one :)
17:38 < dav1d> wat?
17:38 < dx> >win
17:38 < dx> the only winning move is not to play™
17:38 < dav1d> (templates alone are a too great thing)
17:38 < jast> depends on the goal of the game
17:39 < jast> templates alone are a horrible, horrible thing
17:39 <+SirCmpwn> doesn't make the language as a whole better than C, dav1d
17:39 < dav1d> jast: if you like to duplicate your code N times, sure
17:39 <+SirCmpwn> C can do anything you want it to, and doesn't have all the bullshit C++ comes with
17:39 < jast> there's no need to use a monstrosity like templates to reduce code duplication
17:39 < dav1d> SirCmpwn: but definitly not worse, thanks for arguing for my point
17:39 < jast> there are plenty of alternatives that can't crash your compiler
17:40 <+SirCmpwn> dav1d: you're being silly. The other problems with the language are what makes it inferior,
17:40 <+SirCmpwn> *-,
17:40 < dav1d> jast: write me vector operations for 2,3,4...N dimensions for byte,short,int,float,double
17:40 < dx> i like lisp
17:40 < dav1d> jast: without templates
17:40 < jast> ever heard of generics?
17:40 <+SirCmpwn> http://i.imgur.com/gU0vO.jpg
17:40 < jast> templates with the insanity
17:40 < jast> *without
17:40 < dav1d> jast: here we go, lol
17:40 < dx> they don't need templates to add abstraction layers in lisp
17:41 < TRocket> learn asm and embed it in c or c++
17:41 < jast> lisp is usually dynamically typed... so that's an unfair comparison
17:41  * dav1d hopes he isnt' serious
17:41 < dx> SirCmpwn: wtf am i reading
17:41 <+SirCmpwn> dunno, I stopped reading it
17:42 < dx> jast: i'm not really comparing
17:42 < jast> a comparison was kind of implied
17:43 < dx> jast: only pointing out the fact that functions can create any abstraction you want
17:43 < dx> (often with a severe lack of syntactic sugar in C, but shhhh)
17:44 < jast> well, static typing does kind of make it an issue with code duplication, unless you have *some* way to make it polymorphic
17:44 < jast> (type-polymorphic)
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17:45 < jast> err. parametric polymorphism is what I was trying to refer to.
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17:46 < dx> jast: hmm yep, that sounds like a feature i'd like to have
17:47 < dav1d> Yeah! let's do it like Java
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17:55 < jast> java does many things wrong, but at least it doesn't have a C++-style template system
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17:59 < AnotherOne> you say "C++-style template system" as if it is something bad
18:00 < Flemmard`> it's bad if you dont know how to use it i'd say
18:03 < AnotherOne> everithing is bad that way
18:04 < AnotherOne> everything*
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19:06 < AnotherOne> how to push non-master branch to github?
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19:16 < AnotherOne> fuck
19:16 < AnotherOne> git sucks!
19:16 < AnotherOne> conflicts omg
19:16 < Flemmard`> takes a while to handle that yea
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19:28 < jast> you get conflicts with anything that merges
19:29 <+sadimusi> they're not really a problem if you have a good tool to resolve them
19:29 <+sadimusi> i.e. not vimdiff
19:36 < AnotherOne> give me a hint, sadimusi
19:36 <+sadimusi> what os are you using?
19:36 < AnotherOne> windows
19:39 <+sadimusi> I don't know of any tools for windows, but I'm sure there are some
19:39 <+sadimusi> what happens when you git mergetool?
19:40 <+sadimusi> stackoverflow suggests p4merge: http://www.perforce.com/product/components/perforce-visual-merge-and-diff-tools
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19:41 <+sadimusi> you can configure it like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/426026/git-on-windows-how-do-you-set-up-a-mergetool#answer-436040
19:46 < dav1d> git mergetool?
19:48 <+sadimusi> dav1d: yes. which one are you using?
19:48 < dav1d> sadimusi: the good one^^
19:48 < dav1d> can't remember that name...
19:49 < dav1d> can I make git show me the mergetool?
19:49 <+sadimusi> git config merge.tool might work
19:49 < dav1d> nope
19:49 < dav1d> prints nothin
19:49 < dav1d> *nothing
19:50 <+sadimusi> even with the --global flag?
19:50 < dav1d> sadimusi: meld
19:51 < dav1d> haha my history
19:51 <+sadimusi> I saw that mentioned somewhere before
19:51 < dav1d> haha great
19:51 < dav1d> http://sprunge.us/QFMg
19:52 < dav1d> history | grep git | grep merge
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20:24 < AnotherOne> omg i hate git
20:25 < AnotherOne> it deleted my vs project file
20:25 < eddyb> no, you delete your vs project file
20:25 < eddyb> by asking git to delete it
20:25 < eddyb> *deleted
20:27 < Flemmard`> at first you'll insult git a lot
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20:33 < AnotherOne> can anyone explain me what "origin" is?
20:33 < jast> a short name for the remote repository
20:33 < jast> i.e. where you cloned from
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21:28 < AnotherOne> how to push non-master branch to github?
21:29 < dav1d> AnotherOne: git push origin branch:branch
21:30 <+sadimusi> you can leave away the :branch
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21:34 < dav1d> yes you can, but whenever I do that, I get an evil stare from Prf_Jakob!
21:37 <+Prf_Jakob> dav1d: hahaha :-p
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22:10 < AnotherOne> did anyone here use python in windows?
22:10 < dav1d> AnotherOne: yes
22:11 < AnotherOne> help me please
22:12 < AnotherOne> i'm cd'ing to directory with script, trying python27.lnk filename and gettingerror of no such file
22:12 < AnotherOne> python27.lnk is link in directory with PATH set
22:12 < dav1d> what is python27.lnk?
22:12 <+SirCmpwn> I think you should perhaps be asking ##python
22:12 < dav1d> o.O
22:12 < dav1d> C:\Python 2.7\python foo
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22:12 < dav1d> or simply
22:12 < dav1d> python foo
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22:13 < AnotherOne> i want linux-like call
22:13 < AnotherOne> python foo doesn't work
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22:13 < dav1d> AnotherOne: then add your python installation to $PATH
22:13 < dav1d> eh %PATH%
22:14 < AnotherOne> is putting link in folder added there not ok?
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22:14 <+SpaceManiac> one thing you can do is use a .bat instead of a .lnk
22:14 < dav1d> AnotherOne: I don't think these windows link work like symbolic linux links
22:16 <+SpaceManiac> python.bat :: "@C:\path\to\python.exe" %*
22:26 < dav1d> is the render-distance sent in any packet?
22:27 < barneygale> CC iirc
22:27 < dav1d> barneygale: the client sends that
22:28 < dav1d> (I should have mentioned that I want to get it from the server)
22:28 < barneygale> oh I see! No, not iirc
22:28 < barneygale> You can work it out from what map data is sent, ofc.
22:28 < dav1d> I need it before that :)
22:28 < dav1d> wanna initialize a queue with the right size from the beginning
22:28 < barneygale> Unfortunately not. I don't think 0x32 is a thing anymore
22:33 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±10] http://git.io/EZFWNw
22:33 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 6fc295d - Added data value support for block placing
22:33 < Not-001> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 7c44fba - Made creepers spawnable + entity fixes
22:41 < AnotherOne> damn
22:41 < AnotherOne> i installed beautifulsoup, but python cant see it
22:42 < AnotherOne> mb i need to update something?
22:44 < dav1d> no
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22:45 < AnotherOne> do i need to specify path to lib?
22:45 < dav1d> no
22:45 < dav1d> just install it correctly^^
22:45 < AnotherOne> how is it?
22:46 < AnotherOne> python setup.py install
22:46 < AnotherOne> is what i did
22:48 < dav1d> why don't you use the installer? (btw. the setup.py install was correct)
22:48 < dav1d> maybe conflicting installations
22:48 < dav1d> check your lib/site-packages folder
22:49 < AnotherOne> it is there
22:49 < AnotherOne> should i move it one directory up?
22:50 < dav1d> no
22:50 < dav1d> then importing should work
22:50 < AnotherOne> fuck
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22:51 < AnotherOne> there is no beautifulsoup in modules list
22:52 < dav1d> add site-packages to PYTHONPATH
22:52 < dav1d> (it should be by default, except you messed up the installation)
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23:01 < AnotherOne> it worked
23:01 < AnotherOne> but now i have encoding problems
23:03 <+SirCmpwn> what is your broader goal, AnotherOne
23:03 < AnotherOne> parse wiki and make formal descriptions of packets for code generator
23:04 <+SirCmpwn> I see
23:04 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/5dzDrEQ0
23:04 <+SirCmpwn> parsing mediawiki sucks
23:04 <+SirCmpwn> good luck
23:05 < AnotherOne> table format is nice there
23:05 < AnotherOne> it is not going to be hard
23:05 < AnotherOne> of course if i will make this fucking python work
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23:10 < dav1d> AnotherOne: give it the correct encoding, it did guess there pretty badly
23:10 < omkelderman> can i ask something here about a page of wiki.vg?
23:11 < dav1d> yes
23:11 < dav1d> you can
23:12 < omkelderman> oke, its about http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping, it says there are two formats that can be returned , 1.3 and earlier and later
23:13 < omkelderman> as far as i understand, what is explained there is the latest version
23:13 < omkelderman> but whats the old one?
23:14 < AnotherOne> dav1d: how do i do it?
23:14 < AnotherOne> # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
23:14 < AnotherOne> ?
23:14 < dav1d> AnotherOne: no
23:14 < dav1d> AnotherOne: html.decode('encoding-here')
23:14 < dav1d> but I am surprised wiki.vg doesn't set an encoding
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23:15 < omkelderman> (i know its very unlikely someone has a server with 1.3 or earlier running, but i want to be as complete as possible :P)
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23:18 < dav1d> omkelderman: this page is relativly new, if you can find the old one, there is a histoy button on the upper right
23:18 < AnotherOne> i totally dont understand why does python exist
23:18 < dav1d> omkelderman: if you're lucky you can go back in history of the protocol paage
23:19 < AnotherOne> it does not work at all
23:19 < AnotherOne> only gives problems
23:20 < dav1d> AnotherOne: hach
23:20 < dav1d> you have no idea how things work and blame python for it
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23:22 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/BvGNuRnf
23:22 < AnotherOne> where am i wrong?
23:23 < dav1d> AnotherOne: why do you decode the soup
23:23 < dav1d> you have to decode the "bytes" which you get from urllib
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23:23 < dav1d> can't thhe beautifulsoup load directly from an url?
23:23 < dav1d> it should handle encoding
23:24 < omkelderman> dav1d, i found it on http://wiki.vg/wiki/index.php?title=Protocol&oldid=2610#Server_List_Ping_.280xFE.29, thanx for the suggestion to look at the protocol-page-history
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23:24 < dav1d> omkelderman: great :)
23:24 < dav1d> but it looks like it's the same
23:26 < omkelderman> uuh, no... the new one sends more info and splits at a null-char, the old one has less info and splits at '§'
23:26 < dav1d> AnotherOne: strange can't find a method to load directly from an url, lxml can do that
23:26 < AnotherOne> wiki.vg is in utf-8
23:26 < AnotherOne> soup = BeautifulSoup(page.read(), from_encoding="utf-8")
23:27 < dav1d> did you check the html header and the source?
23:27 < AnotherOne> i checked browser encoding for that page
23:27 < AnotherOne> it shows utf-8
23:27 < AnotherOne> lxml you say...
23:28 < dav1d> AnotherOne: http://sprunge.us/MRfM
23:28 < dav1d> works!
23:28 < AnotherOne> i'm close to write this parser in pure c++
23:29 < dav1d> AnotherOne: I have no idea what your problem is
23:29 < dav1d> works perfectly here
23:29 < omkelderman> who has write-access to the wiki.vg-pages? i think it isnt a bad idea to add the old-server-list-ping-response to the existing page
23:30 < dav1d> AnotherOne: http://sprunge.us/KNMc
23:30 < dav1d> omkelderman: you can!
23:30 < AnotherOne> i will try your lxml
23:30 < dav1d> omkelderman: you have to register an account though
23:30 < omkelderman> aah, oke, of course :P
23:30 < omkelderman> why didnt i thought of that :P
23:32 < AnotherOne> oh
23:32 < AnotherOne> fuck it
23:32 < AnotherOne> im going to sleep
23:32 < AnotherOne> bye
23:32 < dav1d> cya!
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00:02 < omkelderman> dav1d, before i safe something silly (my english can sometimes be incorrect), can you take a look at http://puu.sh/39Ua8.png and say if its ok?
00:06 < dav1d> omkelderman: The first 3 bytes are the same as described above. These 3 bytes are followed by a UCS-2 string, which contains 3 fileds delimited by §:
00:06 < dav1d> omkelderman: The entire packet looks similiar to this:
00:07 < dav1d> ok gtg, thanks for the changes!
00:07 < dav1d> cya
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00:49 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] joshuaferrara 6e76b17 - Fixed command line error when command null
00:49 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn 53d33bf - Merge pull request #14 from joshuaferrara/master Fixed command line error when command is null
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03:46 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] joshuaferrara 7773fa1 - Fixed error in /time command Fixed error that dropped client when no second argument was provided for /time [set/add]
03:46 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn 87dfbea - Merge pull request #15 from joshuaferrara/master Fixed error in /time [set/add] command
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07:57 < AnotherOne> morning
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10:23 < dav1d> Jo
10:25 < Calinou> na
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13:11 < unnicked911> any links on lighting processing compatible with client's?
13:11 < dav1d> Hi pb!
13:12 < dav1d> welcome back
13:20 < unnicked911> pb?
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13:49 < ffdr> Hi
13:50 < shoghicp> hi
13:50 < ffdr> can someone help me to make a magic sha1 hash in ruby?
13:50 < jast> sounds magical
13:51 < ffdr> jast: http://i.imgur.com/sg017lt.gif
13:51 < ffdr> I am talking about http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
13:52 < ffdr> that magic sha1 hash
13:52 < ffdr> twos complement crap
13:52 < jast> oh, nasty
13:58 < ffdr> ._.
14:00 < ffdr> nearly there
14:00 < ffdr> now just need to trim the zeros
14:00 < ffdr> with a regex...
14:01 < ffdr> so 0001234 => 1234
14:05 < dav1d> regex wtf?
14:06 < jast> your code is almost certainly wrong
14:07 < ffdr> it works for Notch jeb_ but not simon xD
14:08 < jast> try this: i=hash.to_i(16); if i>=(2**80) then i=(2**160)-i end; hash=i.to_s(16)
14:08 < ffdr> where hash is number? string with bytes?
14:09 < jast> correction: i=hash.to_i(16); if i>=(2**80) then i=-(2**160)+i end; hash=i.to_s(16)
14:09 < jast> hash is the hexdigest
14:10 < jast> okay, wrong result, never mind
14:10 < ffdr> correction only jeb_ was correct with my code*
14:10 < ffdr> actually it acts same with yours, only jeb_ is correct
14:10 < jast> i=hash.to_i(16); if i>=(2**159) then i=-(2**160)+i end; hash=i.to_s(16)
14:11 < ffdr> LOL
14:11 < ffdr> works
14:11 < jast> stupid mistake
14:12 < ffdr> 3 lines compared to 644 of c# and 30 of js \o/
14:12 < jast> unfair comparison since js doesn't have SHA1 built in :)
14:12 < jast> and I'm sure you could do it much shorter in C#, too, if it has a bignum type
14:13 < ffdr> ffdr: what about ~ operator in ruby
14:13 < jast> ~ on bignums returns the same as -
14:13 < ffdr> ah
14:13 < ffdr>     sprintf("%x",( ~Integer('0x'+sha.hexdigest)+1)).sub("..f","-").sub(/^0+/,"")
14:13 < jast> that's because bignums have no fixed width, so you wouldn't know where to cut off
14:14 < ffdr> it acted as your first code
14:15 < jast> the mistake with yours was that 'f' isn't the only leading digit for which you have to use the complement... anything from 8 upwards needs the sign flipped
14:16 < ffdr> ah
14:16 < jast> basically anything with the highest bit set
14:17 < ffdr> ok lets try this with minecraft.net auth
14:17 < jast> FWIW this ain't gonna be the fastest implementation. there's a lot of unnecessary conversions along the way.
14:29 < ffdr> meh something still wrong when doing minecraft.net auth, returns no
14:32 < ffdr> sha1.update [server_id, shared_secret, public_key]
14:34 < ffdr> uh maybe it is related to how public key is encoded
14:34 < ffdr> client doesnt have any problem using it anyway
14:38 < ffdr> whats the point of iso-8859-1 encoding of server id?
14:38 <+md_5> uh
14:38 <+md_5> dont think it does
14:38  * md_5 checks code
14:39 <+md_5> oh
14:39 <+md_5> it does
14:39  * md_5 shrug
14:39 <+md_5> no clue
14:39 < ffdr>                         request.getSessionId().getBytes( "ISO_8859_1" ), sharedKey.getEncoded(), EncryptionUtil.keys.getPublic().getEncoded()
14:39 <+md_5> lol
14:39 <+md_5> you are reading my code
14:39 < ffdr> haha
14:40 <+md_5> because I think I was the first person to reimplement this after they released encryption
14:40 <+md_5> and MInecraft did it
14:40 <+md_5> so I did too
14:40 < ffdr> now trying to implement it in ruby, I am so tired of doing java stuff
14:40 <+md_5> session id is a random hex string
14:40 <+md_5> so not sure what encoding it is gonna do
14:41 < ffdr> but in a form of aaabbbcccddd?
14:41 < ffdr> or plain bytes
14:41 < ffdr> random bytes...
14:41 <+md_5> well
14:41 <+md_5> its a SHA-1 of the bytes making up the hex string
14:42 < ffdr> and then that twos complement shit
14:44 < ffdr>         String hash = Long.toString(random.nextLong(), 16);
14:44 <+md_5> yup
14:44 <+md_5> that is just a string
14:44 < ffdr> it gives like an md5 hash or binary stuff?
14:44 <+md_5> consisting only of hex numbers
14:44 <+md_5> "7809adfe91adf"   would be an example
14:45 < ffdr> hmm I was generating a string in a form of md5 hash
14:46 < ffdr> ok it is a string so i dont think that was the problem
14:52 < ffdr> or maybe it is because i dont urlencode the hash D:
14:56 < ffdr> maybe my twos complement is wrong, but it works for jeb simon and notch
14:56 < jast> a hex string doesn't change if you urlencode it
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14:59 < AnotherOne> should i make wiki parser to json format?
14:59 < AnotherOne> or own one?
14:59 < AnotherOne> or we already have one?
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15:08 < ffdr> weird
15:09 < ffdr> I joined few random servers with wireshark on and looking at joinserver.jsp s
15:09 < ffdr> for all servers it joined using same hash
15:09 < ffdr> I don't get it D:
15:09 < ffdr> ah nvm
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15:13 < ffdr> is public key in "DER" format fine?
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