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17:19 < dav1d> god no
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17:54 < travis-ci> [travis-ci] TRocket/gnuCraft#32 (master - 31900a6 : TRocket): The build failed.
17:54 < travis-ci> [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/TRocket/gnuCraft/compare/7be2b896a5d5...31900a6d6fdd
17:54 < travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/TRocket/gnuCraft/builds/7691970
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17:54 < TRocket> :)
17:55 < TRocket> the irony that I had to make the build fail and not error for it to appear on irc
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18:19 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a3d5ff7 - Update fNbt
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18:30 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/VkxiMw
18:30 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 156253a - Update fNbt, fix solution file for Mono
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18:33 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: Is the only problem that he isn't notifico, that feels a bit you know impartial? Or is there more to it.
18:34 < TkTech> A. Notifico has a travis hook anyways, B. No way we're allowing build status in the channel, it would be a flood. C. Rules are simple and clear on other bots.
18:35 < TkTech> Did he ask somewhere and I'm just missing it?
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18:37 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±14] http://git.io/1IuGvA
18:37 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 019d7c9 - Fixed more issues with build on Mono
18:39 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: currently the rules doesn't mention Notifico..
18:39 < TkTech> You're right, it doesn't. It says to ask.
18:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] http://git.io/a3WVjw
18:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 11e7322 - Update protocol to 1.5.2
18:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 9933037 - merge dispatch_packet and poll
18:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 76a40d0 - improve naming mess a bit
18:53 < dx> "There are no bots allowed in the channel with the exception of the official CIA bot"
18:53 < dx> in practice, notifico == CIA
18:54 < dx> so it's just outdated
18:55 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/S-N7jw
18:55 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde b3e7ca0 - updated gl3n
18:55 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde a86c5d7 - increase the block ids, 1.6 covered, yes!
18:57 < pdelvo_> the github repo is updated 5 months ago and includes notifico, but mcdevs.org isnt: https://github.com/TkTech/mcdevs.org/commit/ef60fbb2419c8d2b4d0a7686b1b13748a7953854
18:57 < dx> good catch
19:00 < TRocket> so, we can use notifico...?
19:02 < dav1d> TRocket: yes
19:02 < dav1d> also no builds please
19:03 < TRocket> ok, thanks
19:03 < AnotherOne> socket.connect(ip::tcp::endpoint(*ip::tcp::resolver(io).resolve(ip::tcp::resolver::query(host, boost::lexical_cast<std::string>(port)))));
19:03 < AnotherOne> boost::asio, you're killing me
19:03 < dav1d> C++ would kill me
19:04 < dav1d> probably even worse than D with its fucking bugs
19:05 < AnotherOne> C++ is nice
19:05 < dav1d> no it isn't^^
19:05 < AnotherOne> why?
19:06 < dav1d> I just don't like it
19:06 < TRocket> @AnotherOne nice
19:07 < AnotherOne> not nice
19:07 < AnotherOne> i want socket.connect(host, port);
19:07 < AnotherOne> wrappers again
19:07 < TRocket> java does that :P
19:07 < AnotherOne> java is slow
19:08 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/DVVgkw
19:08 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket cd0b774 - Update .travis.yml
19:08 < dx> heh
19:08 < TRocket> yup
19:10 < TRocket> hate you debian!  Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2-dev_1.0.25-1ubuntu10.1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.15 80]
19:12 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/DN3LRw
19:12 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket cab22cd - heh, I don't know how debian works
19:15 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/AbJ02A
19:15 < Not-002> [gnuCraft] TRocket d220082 - I should probably look at the man page for apt-get
19:20 < TRocket> is wiki.vg down?
19:21 < buttscicles> seems to be
19:22 < TkTech> kev009__: ^
19:23 < pdelvo_> the protocol spec is also avialable here: http://wiki.pdelvo.de/Protocol :D
19:23 < dav1d> haha
19:24 < dav1d> time to shine!
19:29 < SuinDraw> eww apt-get
19:29 < SuinDraw> aptitude > apt-get
19:35 < TRocket> apt-get install aptitude -_-
19:36 < TRocket> I only use debian on travis
19:37 < AnotherOne> pdelvo_: you have a bug
19:37 < AnotherOne> http://i48.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0601/e9/1dcc5ddb06b107459f1186dcb179d3e9.png
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19:40 < shoghicp> "Entity refers to any item, player, mob, minecart or boat in the world. This definition is subject to change as Notch extends the protocol"
19:40 < shoghicp> shouldn't that be changed?
19:40 < shoghicp> Mojang instead of Notch ;)
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20:21 < kev009__> bad RAM, I _really_ need to replace the server it wiki runs on
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20:21 < TkTech> AnotherOne: Why do you keep using a bloated, slow, ad-filled and just /ugly/ image host?
20:22 < TkTech> kev009__: co-lo?
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20:26 < kev009__> yes
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20:51 < AnotherOne> TkTech: show me a good one then
20:52 < AnotherOne> i didn't know about ads, adblock power
20:52 < dav1d> imgur?
20:53 < AnotherOne> oh
20:53 < AnotherOne> i could not remember this name
20:53 < AnotherOne> imgur is one that hac't handle non-ascii names
20:53 < AnotherOne> can't*
20:53 < dav1d> I doubt that
20:54 < dav1d> but try it
20:54 < AnotherOne> at least russian-named image didn't upload
20:54 < AnotherOne> with blah blah url error
20:54 < AnotherOne> or something
20:55 < dx> er..
20:55 < dx> non-ascii..
20:55 < dx> what
20:55 < AnotherOne> hm
20:55 < AnotherOne> it works now
20:56 < AnotherOne> still imgur is more bloated and ugly
20:56 < dx> image hosts have no reason to care about the filename
20:56 < dx> >more bloated and ugly
20:56 < dx> are you kidding or what
20:56 < AnotherOne> no
20:56 < dx> at least it allows direct links
20:58 < redu> minus.com
20:58 < redu> is what I use
20:58 < dx> minus is decent too
20:58 < shoghicp> slower that imgur
20:58 < redu> 1sec vs 2 sec
20:59 < shoghicp> redu: try loading a big GIF from minus and from imgur ;)
20:59 < dx> shoghicp: seems to be a matter of luck (lol routing)
20:59 < dx> gifs from minus are faster for me
20:59 < shoghicp> ok then xD
21:00 < dx> shoghicp: ...also, gifs from minus tend to be slower because they aren't compressed as much
21:00 < dx> sorry, i meant "tend to SEEM slower"
21:00 < shoghicp> hmm, my ping to imgur is faster that to minus
21:01 < dx> that doesn't say anything about transfer rate
21:01 < shoghicp> that seems slower
21:01 < shoghicp> but not consistent
21:01 < shoghicp> anyways
21:01 < shoghicp> anyway*
21:01 < shoghicp> imgur or minus are decent
21:02 < dx> yeah
21:02 < dx> they allow direct links and don't have a wallpaper-sized advertisement that is three times bigger than the actual image you want to link
21:02 < Yoshi2> a lot of gifs are very big and don't run very smooth until they are fully loaded
21:03 < dx> gifs aren't really designed for what people are using them nowadays
21:03 < dav1d> y u no use JS GIF
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21:03 < dav1d> draws gifs on a canvas using webworkers
21:03 < dav1d> :D
21:03 < dx> dav1d: that's an encoder
21:04 < dav1d> (I know it also doesn't download faster)
21:04 < dx> it's completely irrelevant for this issue lol
21:04 < dav1d> I know, but cool
21:04 < dx> yeah i guess
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21:51 < TRocket> oops...
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22:53 < AnotherOne> hey dav1d
22:53 < AnotherOne> imma goin to steal all your code
22:53 < dav1d> AnotherOne: you know that it's GPL licensed?
22:53 < AnotherOne> yep:)
22:54 < AnotherOne> oh
22:54 < dav1d> then go ahead, lol
22:54 < AnotherOne> how different the code must be to be counted as different implementation?
22:54 < dav1d> 75% won't work for you probably, compile time function execution!
22:55 < dav1d> AnotherOne: don't like, code it yourself, then it is different enough
22:55 < AnotherOne> but what if i am microsoft and want to steal some code?
22:56 < AnotherOne> GPL code
22:56 < dav1d> why would microsoft do that?
22:56 < AnotherOne> because of laze lol
22:57 < AnotherOne> they have been caught on this iirc
22:58 < TRocket> what code were they planning to steal?
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22:59 < TRocket> I guess the quality of our code would be 2^16 times better then what they could write without 15 years for 200 lines :P
23:00 < dav1d> holy shit, are you serious?
23:01 < TRocket> well, slight under-exaggeration...
23:02 < AnotherOne> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/connection.d#L115
23:02 < dav1d> AnotherOne: yes?
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23:02 < AnotherOne> so your login = handshake, and then main loop cares of anything else?
23:03 < dav1d> AnotherOne: yep
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23:03 < dav1d> every incoming packet gets dispatched
23:03 < dav1d> everything connection related in this file, everything else in brala/game.d
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23:03 < dav1d> poll() does that
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23:03 < Not-002> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/cTBTlg
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23:03 < Not-002> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn 3990b5d - Update README.md
23:04 < AnotherOne> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/connection.d#L115
23:04 < dav1d> this way brala isn't affected by e.g. random KeepAlives 
23:04 < AnotherOne> oops
23:04 < AnotherOne> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/connection.d#L128
23:04 < AnotherOne> damn
23:04 < TRocket> that'sssssss a nice function you have there. Shame if it were to .._Segmentation Fault
23:04 < dav1d> TRocket: why should it?
23:04 < dav1d> AnotherOne: damn?
23:05 < dav1d> generating a switch..case at compile time? :)
23:05 < TRocket> lol
23:05 < AnotherOne> what is s?
23:06 < dav1d> AnotherOne: import s = brala.network.packets.server;
23:06 < dav1d> a module
23:06 < dav1d> in C++ you would probably use a namespace
23:06 < dav1d> if you search for get_packets, it is in brala.network.packets.util
23:07 < AnotherOne> i dont underatand how are your packet classes built
23:07 < AnotherOne> understand*
23:07 < dav1d> magic :)
23:07 < dav1d> AnotherOne: take a look into brala.network.packets.util
23:07 < TRocket> to c-style programmers python hurts, a lot
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23:07 < dav1d> "mixin template Packet)
23:07 < dav1d> "mixin template Packet"
23:08 < dav1d> that generates every packet according to the definition passed to it (at compile time)
23:08 < dav1d> making updating protocol version really, really easy, also less typing
23:08 < dav1d> line 109
23:08 < dav1d> that's basically how a packet looks
23:10 < AnotherOne> give me a link please
23:10 < TRocket> AnotherOne: we should do that with your packet gen
23:10 < dav1d> AnotherOne: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/packets/util.d#L58
23:11 < dav1d> TRocket: I doubt this is possible with C++
23:11 < TRocket> a simple (python?) script to update packets.txt from the wiki
23:11 < dav1d> oh
23:11 < dav1d> I thought doing what I linked in C++
23:12 < TRocket> regexs are... fun
23:12 < TRocket> yeah, that might be more interesting
23:12 < AnotherOne> fuck
23:13 < TRocket> wiki.vg is still down :(
23:13 < AnotherOne> i thought about parsing from wiki
23:13 < AnotherOne> it is "low priority" (Grum)
23:14 < TRocket> yeah
23:14 < AnotherOne> but i'm trying to understand this D magic
23:14 < TRocket> have you worked out how to use git yet?
23:14 < AnotherOne> nope
23:15 < TRocket> :)
23:15 < TRocket> yeah, it's not the simplest of things
23:15 < AnotherOne> actually my packet generator function looks like dav1d's code
23:16 < AnotherOne> dav1d, how do you access fields?
23:16 < dav1d> AnotherOne: tdecl holds that
23:16 < dav1d> my_packet.field
23:16 < AnotherOne> wat?
23:16 < TRocket> if you get stuck there's always #git
23:16 < AnotherOne> ok
23:17 < dav1d> tdecl holds something generated like: "long age;\n long time;" for the TimeUpdate packet
23:17 < dav1d> mixin("string") is basically compile-time eval
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23:18 < AnotherOne> omg
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23:18 < dav1d> and best is
23:18 < kev009__> wiki back up, sorry folks
23:18 < dav1d> mixin(some_func()) – basically interprets you func at compile time
23:19 < AnotherOne> in cost of heap-only class instances
23:19 < dav1d> at the time I wrote this code this wasn't possible, so everything is done with template recursion
23:19 < dav1d> AnotherOne: you have to store your classes also on the heap
23:19 < AnotherOne> no
23:19 < dav1d> also I never said they are heap only, they are by default on the heap
23:19 < AnotherOne> partially on the heap
23:20 < AnotherOne> if it is not created with new, it is on stack
23:20 < TRocket> kev009__ wiki'cked
23:20 < dav1d> AnotherOne: but you need them on the heap, everything else will be a bad hack
23:21 < AnotherOne> why?
23:22 < dav1d> try it
23:22 < TRocket> so, this d thing is just #IFDEF on steroids?
23:22 < dav1d> it's not a preprocessor, but yeah
23:23 < AnotherOne> show me the packet handlers please, dav1d
23:23 < dav1d> AnotherOne: brala/game.d and brala/network/connection.d
23:23 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/connection.d#L144
23:24 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/game.d#L160
23:24 < AnotherOne> oh shit
23:24 < AnotherOne> i didn't want to do this
23:24 < AnotherOne> but looks like i have to
23:27 < AnotherOne> what if you send player position and look faster than 20 TPS?
23:28 < dav1d> AnotherOne: do I handle that every tick? I don't think so
23:28 < dav1d> ok I do^^
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23:37 < AnotherOne> if(_current_world !is null)
23:37 < AnotherOne> wtf
23:38 < AnotherOne> "is" for "==" ?
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23:40 < dav1d> AnotherOne: yes and no
23:40 < dav1d> is tests for identity == not
23:41 < AnotherOne> wat?
23:43 < dav1d> == calls opEquals, is doesn't
23:43 < dav1d> also works a bit differently
23:44 < AnotherOne> strange strange D
23:45 < dav1d> lol?
23:45 < dav1d> not sure if kidding or never used anything else than C++
23:45 < AnotherOne> pascal, a little obj-c, python...
23:46 < dav1d> python has the same
23:46 < dav1d> http://docs.python.org/2/library/stdtypes.html#comparisons
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23:46 < AnotherOne> and "is" looks like the horrible hybrid of c and pascal
23:46 < dav1d> "if obj is None" not "if obj == None"
23:46 < dav1d> "is" and "==" have different meanings
23:47 < AnotherOne> oh
23:47 < AnotherOne> i see it now
23:48 < dav1d> e.g.
23:48 < dav1d> assert(5 !is 5)
23:48 < dav1d> if you translate it to python: assert 22222 not is 222222
23:48 < dav1d> not you need big numbers for that, smaller ones are cached by the interpreter and are the *same*
23:50 < AnotherOne> so, "is" tests for same object, not same value?
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23:53 < dav1d> AnotherOne: yes
23:53 < dav1d> returns true if objects are the *same* and not equal
23:53 < dav1d> basically "cast(void*)clazz1 == cast(void*)clazz2" for classes
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23:59 < AnotherOne> wait...
23:59 < AnotherOne> &obj1 == &obj2
23:59 < AnotherOne> and no is
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00:02 < dav1d> AnotherOne: no, I meant cast ;)
00:02 < dav1d> remember classes in D are reference-types
00:03 < AnotherOne> oh
00:04 < AnotherOne> is it possible in D to separate interface and implementation?
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00:04 < AnotherOne> into different files
00:04 < dav1d> yes and no
00:04 < AnotherOne> i like this answer
00:04 < dav1d> as it is done in C++ (fortunatly) not
00:04 < AnotherOne> unfortunately, lol
00:04 < dav1d> but you can do it with "mixin template"s
00:05 < AnotherOne> i've read about this "advantage" and facepalm'd
00:06 < AnotherOne> it is sometimes useful to hide implementation
00:06 < AnotherOne> but user stall can open .h and look into interface
00:06 < AnotherOne> still*
00:07 < AnotherOne> what about D?
00:07 < AnotherOne> is something like this possible?
00:08 < dav1d> lol sorry, just used up my whole ram by accident^^
00:08 < AnotherOne> :D
00:08 < dav1d> yes there are .di header files
00:08 < AnotherOne> good
00:08 < dav1d> but no one uses them
00:08 < AnotherOne> why?
00:08 < dav1d> they are not needed (except for static libraries)
00:09 < dav1d> there are no forward reference problems
00:09 < AnotherOne> heh
00:09 < AnotherOne> well
00:09 < AnotherOne> let's see what happens to D later
00:10 < AnotherOne> (prediction mode on) i think it will become yet another c# for business, where writing speed is more important than run speed
00:11 < dav1d> and that is how it works nowadays
00:12 < AnotherOne> not for gamedev
00:13 < dav1d> aha
00:14 < AnotherOne> fuck
00:15 < AnotherOne> i want to make map for codes and handlers
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00:15 < AnotherOne> and i also want handler pointers to be diferent
00:15 < AnotherOne> different*
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00:16 < AnotherOne> do your handlers use global vars?
00:16 < dav1d> 0 global state
00:17 < dav1d> well a bit, for vertices n' stuff
00:17 < dav1d> but this will change
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00:18 < AnotherOne> fucking fuck
00:18 < AnotherOne> network i/o architecture seems to be hardest part fo me
00:19 < AnotherOne> for*
00:22 < AnotherOne> it's hard to be a noob...
00:22 < AnotherOne> constant butthurt
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00:26 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 7cfb85f - Fixed skylights being reversed
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01:26 < dav1d> holy shit, I can't find the error
01:26 < AnotherOne> what error?
01:27 < dav1d> https://gist.github.com/Dav1dde/5692049
01:27 < dav1d> something in this code is wrong
01:28 < dav1d> I can not figure out what-.-
01:30 < AnotherOne> how do you know there is error?
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01:33 < dav1d> well this is supposed to make out of images a texture atlas, but if I write the png to disc, I see that is wrong, also it fails when it shouldn't (returns null, even though there is still enough space in the atlas)
01:36 < dav1d> lol
01:37 < dav1d> maybe only the textures are broken
01:37 < dav1d> debugging this stuff for hours -.-
01:37 < AnotherOne> look higher
01:37 < AnotherOne> mb some incorrect input?
01:37 < AnotherOne> and yes
01:38 < AnotherOne> this horrible egyptian brace style
01:39 < dav1d> holy shit
01:40 < dav1d> the code is correct but the input probably not
01:42 < AnotherOne> check it
01:51 < dav1d> lol it works
01:51 < dav1d> I should have read more about the texturepack format
01:51 < AnotherOne> heh
01:51 < AnotherOne> case MC::Protocol::Msg::ChatMessage::getPacketId():
01:52 < AnotherOne> should i leve this or hardcode packet id?
01:52 < AnotherOne> leave*
01:52 <+sadimusi> why does that look like part of a giant switch clause?
01:53 < dav1d> AnotherOne: I'd use some kind of enum
01:53 < dav1d> well, a enum
01:53 < dav1d> *an
01:53 < dav1d> whatever, too late for english
01:54 < AnotherOne> sadimusi: because this is it
01:54 <+sadimusi> AnotherOne: why don't you just put objects or function pointer in an array/hashmap?
01:55 <+sadimusi> if I remember correctly you are using one class per packet anyway
01:55 < AnotherOne> because it will not work that way
01:56 < AnotherOne> typical packet skip looks like MC::Protocol::Msg::SomeMessage().deserialize(src, offset);
01:56 < AnotherOne> what function should i put into array?
01:57 < AnotherOne> oh wait...
01:57 < AnotherOne> MC::Protocol::Msg::SomeMessage sm; MC::Protocol::Msg::SomeMessage::deserialize(sm, src, offset);
01:58 < AnotherOne> will this work?
01:58 <+sadimusi> you could also just put the classes in the arrays if that's possible
01:58 <+sadimusi> then create an instance of whatever you got and call deserialize
01:59 <+sadimusi> (it's been a while since I touched C++, I have no idea what it can do)
01:59 <+sadimusi> or maybe there are inheritable class methods?
02:00 < AnotherOne> what is your idea?
02:01 <+sadimusi> a class method could create the instance and then call the deserialize method
02:01 <+sadimusi> but just storing the classes would be cleaner
02:02 < dav1d> or generate the switch..case at compile-time :)
02:02 <+sadimusi> or is there some kind of cloning mechanism? then you could just store empty instances and clone them
02:02 < AnotherOne> <+sadimusi> a class method could create the instance and then call the deserialize method
02:03 < AnotherOne> this is a good idea
02:03 < dav1d> zzzz, cya
02:03 < AnotherOne> bye
02:05 <+sadimusi> if there's overloading for constructors you could put it in one of them instead
02:05 <+sadimusi> would be a bit cleaner
02:06 <+sadimusi> as long as they are inherited
02:06 < AnotherOne> i had deserializer constructor
02:06 < AnotherOne> bu deleted it for some reason
02:07 < AnotherOne> deserialize must return an offset
02:08 < AnotherOne> though i can use reference
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02:13 < AnotherOne> bye, im going to sleep
02:13 <+sadimusi> gn8
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14:43 < dav1d> yay
14:43 < dav1d> http://i.imgur.com/aHyNeoE.png
14:44 < dav1d> auto a = new MinecraftAtlas("/home/dav1d/.minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar"); :)
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14:54 < SinZ> dav1d: is this for your client?
14:54 < dav1d> SinZ: yep :)
14:55 < SinZ> neat
14:55 < SinZ> kinda annoying that the two pieces of bed is so far away
14:55 < SinZ> as with doors
14:56 < dav1d> automatically extends the atlas when needed, so arbitrary size texture packs are supported :)
14:56 < dav1d> e.g. 64x64 http://imgur.com/AWdxn3R
14:56 < dav1d> :D
14:57 < dav1d> (I think the texture pack is not complete)
15:13 < dav1d> lol
15:13 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/dine/builder/vertices.d
15:13 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/dine/builder/builder.d
15:13 < dav1d> I have to remove every hardcoded texture coordinate -.-
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15:28 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde bde8e4b - implemented a atlas class to load "new style textures"
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17:15 < AnotherOne> http://i.eatliver.com/2009/4470.jpg
17:17 < SinZ> wow..
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19:54 < ughman> I'm working on making a proxy of sorts, just as a personal project
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19:55 < ughman> is there some way I can avoid encryption for now, so I can work on the packet parsing/creating first and then tack the encryption later on?
19:55 < ughman> tackle*
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19:59 < Yoshi2> it depends on which side of the proxy you want to work on first
19:59 < Yoshi2> from what I've heard, there are ways to disable encryption on a custom server, but I'm not completly sure about how it is done
19:59 < Yoshi2> if you want to get your proxy to connect to a normal server first, then you are required to deal with the encryption
20:00 < shoghicp> Yoshi2: you can skip encryption on a custom server just not sending encryption packets
20:00 < shoghicp> and running in offline mode
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20:23 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker cf4b8dc - game: Refactor SimpleApp a bit
20:23 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker 9175f3a - game: Refactor gfx sync code to simple app
20:23 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker ef8fe6f - game: Merge App and SimpleApp
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21:49 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-1/±2] http://git.io/f1un-g
21:49 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker daa8a85 - examples: Move Game example here
21:49 < Not-002> [Miners] Wallbraker a70ca09 - examples: Add a mini GL example
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22:04 < dav1d> xD
22:04 < dav1d> http://imgur.com/jCfYQ1z
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22:07 < Yoshi2> very nice, that looks like... something, I guess? xD
22:10 < dav1d> just bound the texture atlas texture with the old koordinates
22:10 < dav1d> the static ones
22:12 < TRocket> https://geekli.st/community/mcdevs
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 7 commits to master [+0/-0/±20] http://git.io/Bz5TyQ
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde b3e3ae1 - fixed Image.write
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 6bca2aa - improve shader, remove terrain preprocessing
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 994b09d - implemented texture-coordinates generation into atlas
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 4e1704a - passing minecraft atlas through to tessellator
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 502a11a - move glfw function after context creation, log more atlas stuff
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 321e55a - implement offline mode via --offline switch
22:12 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 3078daa - fixed atlas.texture, implemented use_sampler in engine
22:13 < dav1d> 'nough for today
22:13 < Kyle> dav1d: needs more D
22:13 < Kyle> and more lower level.
22:13 < dav1d> Kyle: D_icks?
22:13 < Kyle> :p
22:14  * Kyle still can't get over that lower level joke
22:14 < dav1d> :D
22:14 < Kyle> Is it usable yet? :p
22:15 < dav1d> Kyle: BraLa, more or less
22:15 < dav1d> Kyle: you can fly around and see stuff, but nothing more
22:15 < Kyle> heh.
22:16 < dav1d> new texture support is 50% done I would say
22:16 < dav1d> then I'll maybe implement physics
22:16 < dav1d> "physics"
22:16 < Kyle> Implying they ever were such a thing :p
22:18 < dav1d> yeah^^
22:21 < TRocket> ah, physics, floating trees, water above lava,...
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23:05 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 0f15178 - Update readme, 1.5.2 support
23:11 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/fBXuCw
23:11 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 7c5eeab - cleanup old configs, add --offline to readme
23:22 <+md_5> so this guy reckons he can mitm online mode connections
23:22  * md_5 skeptic
23:22 <+md_5> dav1d brala :D
23:22 < ughman> I do want to know what minecraft does against mitm
23:23 <+md_5> ughman pubkey encryption
23:23 <+md_5> was added after it became popular to mitm
23:23  * TkTech cries
23:23 < dav1d> o/
23:24 < TkTech> I once had control over a good ~30 of your accounts.
23:24 < ughman> what if you trick a player into connecting to you instead of the server
23:25 < ughman> unless there's a central server signing public keys, I don't see how you can be sure the public key you're receiving is the right one
23:26 < ughman> central authority, rather
23:30 <+md_5> yeah
23:30 <+md_5> but then for the attack to be an attack
23:30 <+md_5> you have to connect to a server (ie proxy)
23:30 <+md_5> and authenticate as the client
23:30 <+md_5> which is impossible under the current system unless tthere is an exploit
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01:21 < AnotherOne> anybody here?
01:21 < dexter0> maybe
01:21 < AnotherOne> i need dupe mechanism explaination
01:22 < AnotherOne> player needs to set /cdroptransfer select to chest, put something there, open it and do /unregister while opening
01:23 < AnotherOne> then he can take item from chest to actionbar abd take-throw it 
01:23 < AnotherOne> and if appears again and again
01:23 < AnotherOne> why?
01:23 < AnotherOne> it appears*
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01:38 < dx> ...
01:39 < Kyle> dx: my thoughts exactly
01:39 < Kyle> That entire plea for help had so many dead ends it's not even funny?
01:40 < dx> what do you mean with "dead ends"?
01:41 < Kyle> dx: trying to figure out what the hell command that's from, but my thinking goes no where
01:41 < Kyle> dead end
01:41 < dx> oh lol
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01:42 < dx> google gave me a lot of russian pages for some reason, and a single link to a LWC wiki page
01:42 < Kyle> dx: my next question, how is that relevant to here? :p
01:42 < dx> Kyle: exactly.
01:42 < Kyle> this is neither a bukkit nor LWC support channel :p
01:44 < dx> this is a really interesting google search
01:44 < dx> it's not just russian, i see hungarian, japanese, czech, and maybe others, but extremely few english results
01:45 < dx> it's like the command is disabled for western europe and the americas
01:45 < Kyle> lol
02:15 < AlphaBlend> Kyle: He never mentioned Bukkit, how is that relevant here?
02:15 < AlphaBlend> relevance is all the questions we have for what he said
02:15 < AlphaBlend> hahahahahaha
02:18 < Kyle> AlphaBlend: because he's complaining about what is obviously a bukkit plugin named LWC
02:21 < edk> droptransfer is insane anyway. more overpowered than ender chests and you don't even have to work for it
02:31 < dx> AlphaBlend: offtopic discussion is fine here, but why even ask explanations about LWC in this channel?
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02:37 < AlphaBlend> because it was unserious, just felt like ... never mind :(
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05:39 < ughman> the server is closing the connection on me after I send the encryption response
05:39 < ughman> no kick message or anything, tried it with a couple servers including vanilla
05:39 < ughman> anyone know what could cause this?
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09:09 < AnotherOne> ughman: if you have own server, what is it writing into log at that moment?
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11:53 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 516f6ee - Improve Logger
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13:54 <+sadimusi> ughman: you're writing encryption for a client?
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15:46 < shoghicp> hey, anyone knows how the server sends the bow usage animation?
15:51 < clonejo_> shoghicp: mobile or desktop?
15:53 < shoghicp> It is for mobile
15:53 < shoghicp> but
15:53 < shoghicp> I'm asking about the desktop
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16:17 < ughman> ah, got it working somehow
16:17 < ughman> now I understand how it protects against mitm attacks
16:17 < ughman> I didn't realize the server's public key was used in part of the authentication with session.minecraft.net
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16:18 <+sadimusi> ughman: is the whole encryption handshake working already?
16:19 < ughman> it seems so
16:19 < jast> easiest way to break security: offer new! and improved! MC launcher as a free download
16:19 <+sadimusi> :)
16:19 < jast> or send mails asking people to 'verify their account'
16:19 < ughman> working with the public key format in C# was a pain
16:19 <+sadimusi> or th3imb4haxx0rm0d
16:20 <+sadimusi> you could even let completely unrelated software read the lastlogin file
16:21 <+sadimusi> ughman: what are you building?
16:21 < ughman> a proxy
16:21 < ughman> one of the servers I play on has a faction system where player-owned factions can own chunks of the world
16:21 < ughman> there's a command to display a map of who owns the nearby chunks
16:22 < TkTech> kev009__: Gotta do something about these spam accounts. Recent changes page is nothing but accounts.
16:22 < TkTech> kev009__: Can you run the cleanup script when you get a chance?
16:22 < ughman> I want to request the map occasionally and store the data in a much larger map I can store locally
16:22 <+sadimusi> sounds cool
16:22 < ughman> so I can go exploring around and then take a look at the map I've seen
16:22 < unnicked893> chunk owning is so ridiculous
16:22 <+sadimusi> but why not use one of the existing proxies?
16:22 < unnicked893> i don't get why people like it
16:23 < ughman> yeah that's how people get their bases discovered on this server usually
16:23 < ughman> they mark their base as their own territory, and then someone comes along and sees it on the map
16:23 < TkTech> unnicked893: How exactly is that ridiculous? Especially on creative maps.
16:23 < ughman> next thing they know they're getting raided with creeper eggs or tnt launchers
16:24 < ughman> it's a pvp with raiding server, btw
16:24 < unnicked893> TkTech: it is used on pvp survival servers here and there
16:24 < unnicked893> players like safety more than fun, obviously
16:24 < TkTech> unnicked893: In which case it adds a concept of territory and in some cases taxation.
16:25 < unnicked893> TkTech: i think he meant zone protection
16:25 < unnicked893> so others couldn't dig/build there
16:25 < ughman> right, that
16:25 < TkTech> Ah, different things that.
16:25 < ughman> also chest/furnace access is protected
16:25 < unnicked893> ughman: sounds boring
16:25 <+sadimusi> can i still blow up chests?
16:25 < ughman> creeper eggs are available in the shops
16:25 < ughman> and you can use those
16:26 < ughman> if not, you can spawnkill the people who own the base until their power drops below the number of chunks they own
16:26 < ughman> and then you can just take the chunks from them
16:27 <+sadimusi> sounds fun
16:27 < TkTech> That actually sounds like a lot of games. Eve for example, where you can't take over a system until you've neutered the owners.
16:28 <+sadimusi> ughman: my question still stands, why don't you just use one of the existing proxies?
16:28 < ughman> I don't think I actually looked for any
16:29 < ughman> I looked at pdelvo's minecraft library and the craft.net one
16:29 <+sadimusi> there's even a proxy based on craft.net
16:29 < ughman> but they're all using newer versions of .net so I couldn't compile them
16:29 <+sadimusi> but I think it's pretty outdated
16:29 < ughman> if I thought this would take more than a few days to develop I wouldn't have bothered
16:30 <+sadimusi> you could probably write an mc3p plugin in 10 minutes which does exactly what you need
16:30 <+sadimusi> speaking of which, now would be a good time to rename it to mc4p
16:31 < TkTech> sadimusi: You need to link to yours or he'll never find it.
16:31 <+sadimusi> https://github.com/sadimusi/mc3p
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16:34 < unnicked893> what is the purpose of proxy for minecraft?
16:34 <+sadimusi> for example what ughman wants to do
16:34 <+sadimusi> but mostly for debugging custom software
16:38 < unnicked893> how can proxy help to debug anything?
16:39 <+sadimusi> for example when the client crashes you can see what the triggering packet was
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16:41 <+sadimusi> or it could have helped ughman to debug his encryption handshake http://cl.ly/POYU
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16:46 < ughman> right
16:46 < ughman> I did find one server that gave me a nice java exception message from some rsa code, which was nice
16:49 < unnicked893> <sadimusi> for example when the client crashes you can see what the triggering packet was
16:49 < unnicked893> you can also do it on server or on client
16:49 < unnicked893> so proxy is only good when you have no access to client and no access to server
16:49 < unnicked893> in which case it makes me wonder about the reason for tha
16:49 < unnicked893> that
16:50 <+sadimusi> it's easier than modifying the client
16:51 < unnicked893> sadimusi: modifying the client is easier than writing a proxy
16:51 <+sadimusi> sure there are tools like mcp but it's still a major pita to wait for them to release it and then recompile everything
16:51 <+sadimusi> once you have a proxy the only thing you need to do is to update the protocol
16:52 < unnicked893> sadimusi: do have a proxy, you must code it or get from somebody
16:52 < unnicked893> in first case, it is easier to modify client or server
16:52 < unnicked893> in latter case you risk your account / etc
16:52 <+sadimusi> yes, but there are a lot of proxies around
16:52 <+sadimusi> you run them on your own machine of course
16:53 < unnicked893> sadimusi: the proxy itself may do something you don't want
16:53 < unnicked893> ESPECIALLY if you run it on your own machine
16:53 <+sadimusi> you could unplug your network
16:53 <+sadimusi> or use something like little snitch
16:53 <+sadimusi> or just inspect the code
16:53 < unnicked893> sadimusi: running client, proxy and server at localhost without network?
16:53 < unnicked893> i think nobody ever did that
16:53 <+sadimusi> yes
16:54 <+sadimusi> of course people do that
16:54 < unnicked893> sadimusi: issue remains, though. a proxy may install a backdoor
16:54 < unnicked893> that will do something when networking is up
16:54 <+sadimusi> run it in a virtual machine then
16:54 < unnicked893> especially if its mustdie OS
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16:54 < unnicked893> sadimusi: java performance will be horrible there
16:54 <+sadimusi> only the proxy
16:55 <+sadimusi> none of them are written in java
16:55 < unnicked893> now that's what nobody ever did
16:55 <+sadimusi> at least not the ones used for debugging
16:55 < unnicked893> people are like "oh hai proxy, i will just download you and run by admin account"
16:55 <+sadimusi> of course they don't, nobody's that paranoid
16:55 < ughman> is this somehow different from client modifications
16:56 <+sadimusi> yeah, do you trust mcp?
16:56 < unnicked893> sadimusi: my point is - if you write a client or server, you must implement debug in it
16:56 <+sadimusi> wait, are you pbunny again?
16:57 < SinZ> its hard to remember
16:57 < unnicked893> what is mcp
16:58 <+sadimusi> you want to mod the client without knowing mcp?
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16:59 < unnicked893> sadimusi: i meant - debugging client that you coded yourself
16:59 < unnicked893> what is the point of debugging vanilla or somebody else's client anyway
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17:00 <+sadimusi> if your protocol parsing isn't working correctly it helps a lot to compare its debugging output with a proxy to see where it goes wrong
17:01 < unnicked893> sadimusi: if it isn't working correctly, proxy won't be able to understand it, too
17:01 < unnicked893> proxy is not some magic "what-did-he-meant-by-this-packet" guesser
17:01 <+sadimusi> I'll just stop this discussion here. it isn't going anywhere
17:02 < unnicked893> sadimusi: you can just compare traffic from your client to vanilla's
17:02 < unnicked893> same with server
17:02 < unnicked893> don't see how proxy helps anything
17:02 < unnicked893> except creating problems
17:02 < unnicked893> i.e. you can trigger a bug in proxy itself, and then spend months figuring out what's wrong with your code
17:07 < ughman> so you're saying, instead of making a proxy, someone should make an entire server just to see what's going on in the packet stream?
17:08 < Yoshi2> or make a mod which shows the additional information about the packets being sent, which could also contain bugs
17:09 < unnicked893> ughman:no...
17:09 < unnicked893> ughman: if you debug your own client (that you code), you can simply add debug output for packets
17:10 < unnicked893> it's probably easier than downloading and running a proxy
17:10 < TkTech> sadimusi: That backlog was painful to read.
17:10 < ughman> and if you're misunderstanding the structure of a certain packet entirely, looking at what you're sending in hex isn't going to help much
17:11 < unnicked893> Yoshi2: if you need guaranteed bugless solution, just use packet sniffer on your machine
17:11 < unnicked893> ughman: lol
17:11 < ughman> if only there was a proxy sitting between you and the server that told you exactly what you were sending and where it was going wrong
17:11 < unnicked893> if you're misunderstanding the structure entirely, proxy won't understand it too
17:11 < unnicked893> so you ain't getting anywhere
17:11 < unnicked893> and if you are actually sending something, at least you know what exactly you send, not just hex
17:12 < unnicked893> <ughman> if only there was a proxy sitting between you and the server that told you exactly what you were sending and where it was going wrong
17:12 < Yoshi2> you know what you send, but you don't know what you are supposed to receive
17:12 < unnicked893> aha, so you need a magic "i-think-this-packet-should-be-x" guesser
17:12 < unnicked893> not just proxy
17:12 < unnicked893> and it's impossible
17:12 < unnicked893> Yoshi2: you can debug received hex
17:12 < ughman> yeah I'm just going to stop arguing with you here before I get myself banned from this channel
17:13 < unnicked893> lol, why would you be banned?
17:14 < unnicked893> ughman: the point is - if proxy understands the packet, the server will understand it too
17:14 < unnicked893> if server can't understand - nor will the proxy
17:14 < unnicked893> unless its a magical protocol guesser/oracle
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