07:31 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 52b44bd - Cleaned up event handlers on disconnect to avoid leaks
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07:57 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/teUPtA
07:57 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 11914b7 - Fixed bug with empty held items
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08:50 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn ca33ffd - Implemented item entity merging
09:01 < AnotherOne> AndrewPH: adblock ftw
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10:31 <+md_5> Showing 76 changed files with 1,270 additions and 1,215 deletions. 
10:31 <+md_5> everybody loves refactors
10:31 <+md_5> not even doneyet
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10:53 < AnotherOne> heh
10:53 < AnotherOne> fukk refactors
10:54 < AnotherOne> make code generator:)
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11:08 < Yoshi2> and then you will be refactoring the code created by the code generator
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11:38 < AnotherOne> no
11:38 < AnotherOne> let it refactor code for you
11:38 < AnotherOne> sure you may need to change something
11:38 < AnotherOne> but it will be less work
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13:56 < unnicked035> http://www.youtube.com/user/Pbunny o.O
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13:57 < dx> are you stalking him or what
13:57 < dx> why do you even care
13:58 < dx> i'd prefer to forget about him already
13:58 < unnicked035> i like googling people of irc
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14:06 < AnotherOne> did you google me?:)
14:07  * unnicked035 added AnotherOne to nicknames2google list
14:08 < dx> http://dx.com/
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14:09 < Yoshi2> you almost got me there, dx
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14:10 < dx> :D
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14:11 < AnotherOne> hey unnicked035
14:12 < AnotherOne> now i know the source of your paranoia
14:12 < dx> unique'd
14:14 < unnicked035> AnotherOne: paranoia does not exist
14:14 < AnotherOne> yes it does:)
14:15 < AnotherOne> did you succeed googling me?
14:16 < unnicked035> not yet
14:16 < unnicked035> AnotherOne: there are just degrees of 'likelyness'
14:17 < dx> someone is too bored.
14:17 < unnicked035> the most efficient behavior is to assume the most likely events and not assume the less likely
14:17 < unnicked035> determining likelyness is based on various knowledge about the subject
14:18 < unnicked035> and as only you possess the whole picture of knowledge you possess, no external person can determine efficiency of your behavior
14:18 < dx> s/ly/li/
14:18 < unnicked035> what may seem unlikely to him may seem likely to you if you have reasons for that
14:19 < unnicked035> so, paranoia (inefficient behavior) of any person can't be actually detected from outside
14:20 < dx> i was thinking s/ness/hood/ too, but the dictionary tells me it's valid
14:20 < dx> til.
14:20 < unnicked035> grammar isn't that significant dx
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18:32 < shoghicp> got a question :D
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18:32 < shoghicp> Anyone knows the speed of dropped items?
18:32 < shoghicp> X,Y,Z speed
18:32 < shoghicp> (I know it is partially random)
18:33 <+pdelvo> I think i done some experiments about a year ago to messure that
18:33 <+pdelvo> btw you dont have a speed there
18:33 <+pdelvo> you have the acceleration
18:33 < shoghicp> I give them some speed at spawn, then the gravity & drag do they job
18:34 < shoghicp> It was hilarious, a flower popping up to 50 blocks xD
18:34 <+pdelvo> jeah. I think i have the minecraft gravity in a project as a constant
18:34 < shoghicp> pdelvo: right
18:34 < shoghicp> I've that implemented
18:34 <+pdelvo> public const double Gravity = -18.0;
18:35 <+pdelvo> Im not sure if it i
18:35 < shoghicp> But item starting speed is randomized
18:35 < eddyb> what's the unit?
18:35 <+pdelvo> s right
18:35 <+pdelvo> blocks/s
18:35 < shoghicp> pdelvo: varies by entity class
18:35 <+pdelvo> oops
18:35 <+pdelvo> block/s²
18:35 <+clonejo> blocks/tick?
18:35 <+pdelvo> blocks/second²
18:35 < shoghicp> second^2
18:35 < eddyb> it doesn't look earthish :(
18:35 <+clonejo> that would make it 9m/s^2 which is similar to Earth's gravity
18:35 < eddyb> what would? ticks?
18:36 <+clonejo> blocks/tickº
18:36 < eddyb> the 20/s render ticks?
18:36 < eddyb> I've only heard about the 10/s redstone ones in a looong while
18:36 <+clonejo> eddyb: no, it wouldn't
18:36 <+pdelvo> a redstone tick is 2 game ticks
18:37 < shoghicp> Ok, I'll give them random values and print the value, then choose the one that looks fine
18:37 < eddyb> pdelvo: yeah, I wasn't sure which kind of ticks you were using
18:37 <+pdelvo> My value is messured in seconds
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18:47 < AnotherOne> wtf mojang
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18:57 < AnotherOne> i have a question, people
18:57 < AnotherOne> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Armor#Enchantments
18:58 < AnotherOne> When a player or mob wearing armor is subjected to damage, the EPFs of all applicable enchantments are added together, capped at 25, multiplied by a random value between 50% and 100%, rounded up, and capped again at 20. The damage is then reduced by 4% per point of total effective EPF (for example, a total effective EPF of 20 reduces damage by 80%).
18:58 < AnotherOne> how is EPF being rounded after multiplication?
18:59 < AnotherOne> floor or ceil or < 0.5 floor, >= ceil?
19:01 < AnotherOne> ok, round up is ceiling
19:23 < Flemmard> floor = bottom, ceil (ceiling) = top
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20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 6 commits to master [+1/-0/±17] http://git.io/0GyQ5g
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath cf85c10 - LightInfo pooling (disabled for speed reasons)
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 30c3040 - Reduced chunk memory usage (Causes some light glitches)
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 45bc870 - Sped up chunk loading/saving which also fixed the lighting glitches somehow (o_O)
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath dfe2d8c - Fixed world corruption
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 48f0a85 - Fix light spreading. Light debugging added until fixed
20:28 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath e83d5ad - Attempt at fixing light removal issues
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21:39 <+Amaranth> Thinkofdeath: Do you only wipe out empty chunk sections if they don't have any chunk sections above them?
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22:43 < Thinkofdeath> Amaranth: I wipe them out if they're all air blocks and if there is no light passing through them
22:44 <+Amaranth> Thinkofdeath: Doesn't that mean you'll run into https://mojang.atlassian.net/browse/MC-911 too?
22:46 < Thinkofdeath> It shouldn't happen underground because I check skylight as well, making sure its all 15 for skylight and all 0 for blocklight
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23:15 < Thinkofdeath> Amaranth: Just tested, It doesn't seem to be an issue http://i.imgur.com/UNdd0YH.png (Although I have managed to get the lighting backwards somehow...)
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00:43 <+AndrewPH> TkTech: okay so I started my first 'big' mvc project the other day using django, I'm really a fan of using mvc/mvc-like systems! I wonder why I've never done this before for big things
00:43 <+AndrewPH> (and django's pretty handy)
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07:43 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2008 2 files : Added /Flush as an alias for /WFlush. Fixed /WFlush help and some CHANGELOG typos. /WBuild and /WAccess can now take "@" in front of rank name.
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09:37 < AnotherOne> anybody here?
09:38 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/mC4xQTkU
09:39 < AnotherOne> im making a damage calculator and results are strange, though expected
09:40 < AnotherOne> but are they correct?
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17:13 < AnotherOne> evening
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19:44 < AnotherOne> how is damage reduce rounded on not enchanted armor?
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00:49 < kiwhen> Anyone awake?
00:49 <+sadimusi> o/
00:49 < dav1d> yes
00:49 < kiwhen> Hi!
00:49 < dav1d> Hi!
00:50 < kiwhen> I'm a bit stomped by the MC protocol. I get the idea, but I can't figure out how to format the messages I'm sending properly.
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00:50 <+sadimusi> what language are you using?
00:50 < kiwhen> I'm using PHP.
00:50 < dav1d> NOOO
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00:50 < dav1d> why did I know that
00:50 < kiwhen> Yeah, I know.
00:51 < dx> you're out of luck
00:51 < dav1d> our php guy just left
00:51 <+sadimusi> somehow I suspected it too ,.,
00:51 < dx> shoghicp just quit
00:51 < dav1d>         <-- | shoghicp 
00:51 <+sadimusi> *-.-
00:51 < kiwhen> But really, I am getting through, the format is just off.
00:51 < dx> i suspected it was an awful language
00:51 < dav1d> well in this case I would say it's PHPs fault
00:51 < dav1d> Always blame PHP first
00:51 < dx> ^
00:51 < kiwhen> Oh no, I just don't know what the packets should look like.
00:51 < dav1d> kiwhen: can you show us some code and where you think it fails?
00:52 < dx> sadimusi: renaming mc3p to mc4p when? :3
00:52 < kiwhen> Delimiters, for example.
00:52 < dav1d> or do you have a specific question
00:52 <+sadimusi> dx: oh right
00:52 <+sadimusi> dx: only 4 ms?
00:52 <+sadimusi> *ps
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00:52 < dav1d> kiwhen: there are no delimiters
00:52 < kiwhen> So there is a fixed length on the fields?
00:52 < dav1d> kiwhen: yes
00:52 < dx> sadimusi: well you can go for more, but i think 4 is good for the successor
00:52 < kiwhen> 64 bytes for strings?
00:52 < dav1d> kiwhen: no
00:52 <+sadimusi> kiwhen: what are you trying to build?
00:53 < dav1d> kiwhen: prefixed with a ushort as length
00:53 <+sadimusi> kiwhen: http://www.wiki.vg/Data_Types
00:53 < kiwhen> I'm just trying to grab the online list (the TAB-stuff).
00:53 < dav1d> kiwhen: http://wiki.vg/Protocol
00:53 < dav1d> everything is there ^
00:53 < dav1d> easy
00:53 < dav1d> I think even php code exists for that
00:53 < dx> we should just dig shoghicp's github and find example code
00:53 < kiwhen> Okay, so basically; First, the packet ID, then the length of the following field, not including the actual field name?
00:54 < dav1d> kiwhen: http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping 
00:54 < dav1d> the php code links to bukkit and seems to be an invalid url
00:54 < dav1d> kiwhen: https://gist.github.com/barneygale/1209061 - python
00:54 < dx> the url is correct
00:54 < kiwhen> Like, "2, 6, kiwhen, 2, hello, 4 dude" and so on?
00:54 < dx> but seems to require login
00:55 < Thinkofdeath> Isn't http://wiki.vg/Query better if your just trying to a list of players?
00:55 < dav1d> Thinkofdeath: query isn't enabled by default?
00:55 < dx> https://github.com/xPaw/PHP-Minecraft-Query/blob/master/MinecraftQuery_Simple.php
00:55 < Thinkofdeath> dav1d: Ah true
00:55 <+sadimusi> dav1d: you won't get the player list with the ping thingy
00:55 < dav1d> sadimusi: I do
00:55 < dav1d> not
00:55 < dav1d> you're right
00:55 < kiwhen> Getting the number of players is easy, I just want more details.
00:56 < dx> https://github.com/xPaw/PHP-Minecraft-Query/blob/master/MinecraftQuery.class.php
00:56 < kiwhen> Hopefully without causing a login-message to be displayed ingame.
00:56 <+sadimusi> kiwhen: you do know that you will have to implement some custom encryption stuff, right?
00:56 < dav1d> kiwhen: what dx just linked
00:56 < kiwhen> I know I can skip the whole encryption-thing, so I could propably just handshake, get the list and get out.
00:56 < dav1d> but you need to enable it in the server config
00:57 <+sadimusi> you can't just skip it, you won't get the player list before the handshake
00:57 < barneygale> iirc the client can opt not to do the encryption
00:57 < dav1d> how can this code have 74 forks? https://github.com/xPaw/PHP-Minecraft-Query
00:57 <+sadimusi> barneygale: no, the server cam
00:57 < dav1d> that's 10 lines of code -_-
00:57 < kiwhen> Encryption comes after the handshake, so that's no problem.,
00:58 <+sadimusi> I meant the encryption handshake
00:58 < kiwhen> I don't think I have to do that.
00:58 < dx> err
00:58 < dx> why are you guys talking about encryption if UDP based query is enough
00:58 < kiwhen> I can go straight to the 0xCD.
00:58 <+sadimusi> dx: not enabled by default
00:59 < barneygale> dx: also, https://mojang.atlassian.net/browse/MC-10984
00:59 < dx> barneygale: fun
01:00 < dav1d> holy shit
01:00 < dx> but kiwhen never said that he doesn't own the server (or that it has to handle more than 127 players)
01:00 < dav1d> mojang learn to code please
01:00 <+sadimusi> according to my statistics only about 24% of servers have the query enabled (source: http://stats.minecraftservers.org)
01:00 < barneygale> dav1d: that one was written by notch iirc
01:00 < kiwhen> The server isn't running query.
01:00 < dav1d> why would you ever cast there
01:00 < barneygale> and he's a casual
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01:01 < dav1d> even if you really wanted to cast you would do it at the end, once
01:01 < kiwhen> But yeah, the format is supposed to be packet ID, the length of the following field and then the field value (repeat)?
01:01 < kiwhen> No field names or delimiters?
01:01 <+sadimusi> only strings have lengths
01:02 < dx> "the length of the following field" ha ha how naive
01:02 < dav1d> and chunks!
01:02 <+sadimusi> chunks are not something I consider a field type
01:02 < dx> only a fool would assume that mojang would do something as sensible as sending packet length headers
01:03 < kiwhen> Figures. =/
01:03 <+sadimusi> kiwhen: you will _never_ reach your goal
01:03 < dav1d> need your help, please klick: https://github.com/Dav1dde
01:03 < dav1d> and tell me in how many organizations I am
01:03 < dx> none
01:03 < dav1d> thanks
01:04 < dx> dav1d is part of the secret organization!
01:04 < dav1d> so the privacy settings work
01:04 < dav1d> dx: two even :P
01:04 < dx> dav1d: don't let pbunny know
01:04 < dav1d> haha
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03:28 < kiwhen> Maybe you're right, this isn't going anywhere fast. http://pastebin.com/vpAS8epg
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03:33 < TkTech> kiwhen: Ignoring the "Whhhhhyyyy?" you have a few things wrong in that.
03:33 < TkTech> Actually, just about all of that is wrong.
03:34 < kiwhen> Auch.
03:34 < TkTech> A. A short is two bytes. You're only sending one.
03:34 < TkTech> B. Strings are UCS-2 and thus two bytes. You're only sending one.
03:36 < kiwhen> Okay, uhm... can I put it like "0x0006" for the username length? (which is 6), or should I put in a nul-byte before it, like "0x00 + 0x06"?
03:36 < TkTech> C. 0x63DD is 4 bytes, I'm not sure what that would even write (I'm rusty on PHP arrays.)
03:36 < dx> um
03:37 < dx> he needs to get encryption
03:37 < kiwhen> Well, PHP is kind of living it's own life at this point, but the integer for the port number is supposed to be 4 bytes, right?
03:38 < TkTech> dx: He's only  doing the handshake, why does he need encryption? 
03:38 < TkTech> dx: But yeah, I don't believe this is a good idea for what is clearly his first networking project.
03:38 < dx> TkTech: he wants to reach the point where he can receive a list of players
03:38 < dx> and can't use query because the remote server doesn't have it enabled
03:38  * SinZ wishs query was enabled by default
03:38 < dx> ^
03:39 < TkTech> dx: Ah. That's…unlikely. At least until he's done a fair bit of research.
03:40 < dx> TkTech: query being disabled? sadimusi says only 24% of servers have it, but we really don't know if kiwhen checked with a proper query client
03:40 < TkTech> No no, I mean him getting past encryption.
03:40 < dx> oh lol
03:41 < SinZ> and not in php
03:41 < dx> "unlikely" is too optimistic
03:41 < TkTech> You can do this in any language, especially if all he wants is to connect, get the player list, and disconnect. (Side reminder: Remember the language bashing rules.)
03:41 < TkTech> It's just unlikely until he gets some basic experience with networking, at the very least.
03:41 < dx> we have language bashing rules?
03:42 < kiwhen> Encryption and player lists aren't really the issue. Yet. I'm just trying to shake hands with it.
03:42 < dx> "yet"
03:42 < TkTech> dx: Pffft, I never updated the website. Guess we technically don't.
03:42 < dx> TkTech: don't bother adding them, you can't put rules against human nature :3333
03:43 < kiwhen> Can't encrypt anything without the public key, which I can't get without a working handshake.
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03:44 < dx> TkTech: and we only criticise php because it's objectively terrible
03:44 < TkTech> dx: You can try when you're the mean guy with @
03:44 < SinZ> I am fine with PHP, except I doubt its API has a convenient crypto lib to do what MC needs
03:44 < kiwhen> openSSL?
03:46 < dx> anwyay
03:46 < dx> *anyway
03:46 < dx> "this isn't going anywhere fast"
03:46 < kiwhen> Closer, or still on the wrong planet? http://pastebin.com/Wqk8xkx8
03:47 < TkTech> kiwhen: Wrong galaxy.
03:47 < TkTech> kiwhen: I'm not trying to be mean, but I would really, really recommend trying something easier, like a line-based ASCII protocol (IRC, MSNP8 -> 16, FTP, etc…).
03:48 < dx> hah MSNP8
03:48 < TkTech> kiwhen: You need a basic understanding of networking and a decent understanding of encryption.
03:48 < TkTech> dx: Don't knock it, at least it had transaction IDs!
03:48 < dx> TkTech: i actually like that protocol :P
03:49 < TkTech> Yup, nice and simple and when it worked properly (does it still work?) it was my go-to suggestion for first timers.
03:49 < dx> but they started adding weird SOAP based requests with MSNP13 for contact management and stuff got ugly
03:49 < TkTech> Very simple, and something the can get excited and show their friends who *all* used Messenger
03:49 < dx> i think MSNP8 still works though
03:49 < TkTech> *they can get excited about
03:50 < dx> (the protocol should die in march 2014, only the official client stopped working)
03:50 < kiwhen> Ait, I'm just gonna go do some laundry or something. Thanks anyway!
03:52 < dx> TkTech: the thing about MSNP is that it was deceptively simple
03:53 < dx> TkTech: notification server is trivial, switchboard server is trivial... p2p is oh god what am i doing i don't even
03:53 < TkTech> You never actually had to implement it. IIRC the only reason I did was avatars or some such silliness.
03:54 < dx> yeah, avatars, custom emoticons and file transfers
03:54 < dx> all features that people consider essential for a good client
03:54 < TkTech> Oh my god that was 2004.
03:54 < dx> :D
03:54 < TkTech> Time really likes to slap you in the face every once in awhile.
03:54 < dx> also, i think nobody ever figured out how to use the new webcam protocol
03:55 < dx> they barely figured out the old one, but then microsoft removed the servers for it
03:55 < TkTech> Worked maybe 1% of the time in the official client, totally worthless.
03:55 < dx> oh, cool. i never knew.
03:56 < TkTech> Hell, they *never* got video right. Hence buying skype.
03:56 < dx> and yeah, fuck skype's protocol
03:57 < dx> it's what made me appreciate MSNP even more
03:57 < TkTech> Oh well. They come and go but IRC is eternal.
03:57 < dx> indeed
03:57 < TkTech> (But really, would transaction IDs have killed anyone?!)
03:57 < dx> hah, what for?
03:58 < dx> whois replies etc?
03:58 < TkTech> So painful having to track the complete global state just to see if your JOIN finished, for example.
03:58 < dx> oh, that kind of stuff
03:58 < TkTech> It makes it difficult to make clean IRC APIs that support chaining.
03:59 < TkTech> In utopia, you can do things like client.ext.channels['#mcdevs'].msg('Sup').join().msg('123')
03:59 < dx> does that .join() in the middle mean anything?
03:59 < TkTech> It JOINs the channel.
04:00 < dx> but you sent a message to it first
04:00 < dx> (...technically possible, but...)
04:00 < TkTech> Nope, but I can pretend I did.
04:00 < TkTech> It'll wait until the JOIN is actually finished before sending channel commands.
04:01 < TkTech> dx: https://github.com/TkTech/utopia/blob/dev/utopia/ext/channels.py#L121
04:01 < TkTech> dx: msg and join are "magically" run as asynchronous coroutines.
04:01 < TkTech> And if necessary, they'll sleep until the necessary events complete before they should be sent.
04:02 < dx> interesting
04:03 < TkTech> (Utopia's exposed API is signal based (using blinker), and its internal API is event + greenlet (gevent) based)
04:04 < TkTech> https://github.com/TkTech/utopia/blob/dev/examples/channels.py#L16 for a simple example
04:04 < dx> what's blinker for exactly?
04:05 < dx> i mean, i see the conects and sends, but, isn't that looping over a lists of callback functions?
04:05 < TkTech> Kind of. It's a very efficient implementation of signals and slots in C, basically.
04:05 < TkTech> Keep in mind Utopia is designed to run 1000 bots at <1% CPU.
04:06 < TkTech> There are potentially tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of signals registered on every client.
04:06 < dx> fun.
04:07 < dx> also, i like your internal API
04:07 < TkTech> Absolutely everything is built on it. The core client triggers one when a raw message is read, for example.
04:07 < TkTech> https://github.com/TkTech/utopia/blob/dev/utopia/client.py#L25
04:07 < TkTech> Which the more feature filled client sitting on top listens to, parses, and then raises its own signal (https://github.com/TkTech/utopia/blob/dev/utopia/basic.py#L45)
04:08 < TkTech> It's all alpha and unfinished but works fine. Just many, many messages not implemented.
04:08 < TkTech> This dev branch is intended to replace the current version.
04:08 < dx> and.. channels are extensions?
04:09 < TkTech> Yup, everything is an extension. Don't need fancy channel support? Don't include it.
04:09 < dx> sounds like "let's make it a plugin for the sake of having less stuff in the core, even if everybody needs it"
04:09 < TkTech> The idea, at least, it to make what your bot supports explicit.
04:10 < dx> i'm not sure if irc is complex enough to move more features to plugins
04:10 < TkTech> The channel plugin can be pretty heavy with thousands of channels, but gives you a pretty API.
04:10 < TkTech> Need raw performance? Just hook the signals you need (client.m.on_join.connect()) and handle it yourself.
04:11 < TkTech> Want to completely re-implement channels? Go nuts, it's in its own file.
04:11 < dx> i really have no idea if you're suffering from premature optimization or not
04:11 < TkTech> Just expose the same signals and no code needs to be rewritten.
04:11 < dx> ChannelPlugin doesn't even look that complex
04:12 < TkTech> (That's because only JOIN and PRIVMSG are implemented)
04:12 < dx> :D
04:12 < TkTech> (Again, proof of concept)
04:13 < dx> so you're talking about differences in performance with code that doesn't do anything :P
04:14 < dx> TkTech: what are you doing to handle code reloading? (IMO that's the most important design decision of any irc bot)
04:14 < TkTech> A. That's from 14 days ago. B. Notifico is already on 26 networks. C. The top 5 projects are all private and the lowest has 15459 messages. The highest public project has 1754.
04:15 < TkTech> The vast majority of notifico's traffic is in private projects and channels.
04:15 < dx> yep, i know
04:15 < dx> i'm just saying that there might not be noticeable differences in using ChannelPlugin
04:16 < TkTech> You're right in that it may not be visible to the end user, but there is a huge difference in overhead in doing it the ugly but low level way vs the pretty ChannelPlugin way.
04:17 < TkTech> Keep in mind that I *never* intend to take this off the low end, 512mb box it's on.
04:17 < dx> heh
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04:18 < TkTech> Why are you against it being modular?
04:19 < TkTech> It keeps the core client small and light, keeps everything easy to refactor, and there are only a few "core feature" plugins necessary.
04:19 < dx> i actually like the idea of having tiny cores with lots of plugins
04:20 < dx> but i don't see any other plugins so in this case it might just make your design more complex (it already has signals so it doesn't matter)
04:20  * TkTech noddles 
04:20 < dx> but yeah, i'm judging code that is very young, so sorry for that
04:21 < TkTech> I've played with some other stuff, like making very generic on_user_seen, on_user_left events part of the core which anything can trigger.
04:21 < TkTech> I linked it up with gTalk using those event.s
04:21 < TkTech> *events.
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04:22 < dx> also, if you care that much about performance and adding a wrapper like that plugin is a huge performance hit... cpython is not for you.
04:22 < dx> sadly your deps force you to use it
04:22 < TkTech> Unfortunately the IO and CPU performance gained using gevent outweigh the poor performance of iteration and memory/gc
04:22 < zutto> hes doing it in python, you shouldnt expect amazing performance from python
04:23 < TkTech> And gevent on pypy just isn't there it yet.
04:23 < TkTech> zutto: Python is best for prototyping and things that don't need critical real-time speed.
04:23 < TkTech> zutto: But it is more than capable of being very fast.
04:23 < kiwhen> Pffft, "wrong planet". I got it working, PHP just has a funny way of reading bytes.
04:23 < kiwhen> Or, galaxy, better yet.
04:23 < dx> zutto: i said cpython for a reason
04:24 < zutto> oh right
04:24 < dx> kiwhen: oh, right, i forgot to point out that you were just concatenating decimal representations of integers
04:24 < TkTech> (Considering there are cases where naive python on pypy beats naive C on gcc +O)
04:24 < kiwhen> conca-whatnow?
04:24 < zutto> i used to prototype things in python back in the days
04:24 < zutto> so yeah, i have to agree on that
04:25 < zutto> but in the end, my projects always get out of hand
04:25 < TkTech> scipy, numpy, cython, gevent, etc...
04:25 < dx> http://dpaste.com/1206879/
04:25 < dx> kiwhen: ^
04:25 < TkTech> In real-world applications there are many tools that make development time savings well worth the minor increase in resources.
04:25 < TkTech> Like all things, it has its use cases.
04:26 < kiwhen> Uhm... that wasn't really the way I fixed it. Turns out two bytes can't be spelled out as "0x0000".
04:26 < kiwhen> All I did was to write it out as "\x00" + "\x00".
04:26 < kiwhen> That works.
04:26 < TkTech> kiwhen: I'm pretty sure I mentioned that.
04:27 < kiwhen> Sort of, but in PHP, you can't really write it out as "0x00" + "0x00" either. It has to have the backslash in there, with the quotes.
04:28 < kiwhen> Basically, I know what I have to say, I just don't know how to say it. In PHP.
04:28 < SinZ> \x means hex in php, thats why
04:28 < dx> kiwhen: the quotes and the backslash are the important part
04:28 < kiwhen> Exactly.
04:28 < SinZ> and in most things
04:28 < kiwhen> Now I know that. =P
04:28 < dx> kiwhen: the dpaste i linked was what you were doing before
04:28 < dx> 123 + 234 = 123234
04:28 < dx> genius.
04:28 < TkTech> Well, . isn't +.
04:29 < kiwhen> I don't get it. Am I not still doing that?
04:29 < TkTech> IIRC it's explicitly a string operator.
04:29 < dx> shhh
04:29 < dx> kiwhen: well uhm.. no
04:29 < SinZ> + is for integers, . is for strings
04:30 < SinZ> 123+123=246; 123.123=123123;
04:30 < kiwhen> http://pastebin.com/DKBFyf7V
04:31 < dx> yeah my + example was dumb
04:31 < kiwhen> You are talking about the "$p .= $byte;" part right? 'Cause that's still in there.
04:31 < dx> and kiwhen still doesn't realize the difference between appending ints and appending chars
04:32 < kiwhen> I do, I just have no idea what you are reffering to in my code.
04:32 < SinZ> why not do $p = implode("", $bytes);
04:32 < kiwhen> I wanted to eliminate any and all possible ways PHP could screw up my logic.
04:32 < dx> print(0x02 . 0x3D . 0x00 . 0x06);
04:32 < dx> 26106
04:32 < dx> there.
04:32 < dx> kiwhen: that's what your old code did
04:32 < SinZ> dx: except his are stored as strings
04:33 < dx> SinZ: i said "old code"
04:33 < kiwhen> It still does that.
04:33 < dx> kiwhen: no, it does not
04:33 < kiwhen> Yes, it does?
04:33 < SinZ> kiwhen: you have them inside strings now
04:33 < SinZ> Strings would do what you want
04:34 < dx> print("\x02" . "\x3D" . "\x00" . "\x06");
04:34 < dx> =
04:34 < dx> it looks like this now
04:34 < dx> (of course half of that is not printable)
04:34  * SinZ opens up SinZBot's code to do php sockets
04:34 < kiwhen> I'm still using the period operator. In PHP, that works the same way for any type, especially when I treat them as strings.
04:34 < dx> yes
04:34 < dx> it will concatenate things into strings always
04:34 < kiwhen> Which means - it still does that, right?
04:35 < dx> the period operator, yes
04:35 < dx> what you feed to that operator changed completely
04:35 < dx> and i'm not sure if you understand it
04:36 < dx> you're the one who wants to avoid having php screw your logic, so you really need to understand the difference between 0x02 . 0x3D and "\x02" and "\x3D"
04:36 < dx> err
04:36 < dx> 0x02 . 0x3D and "\x02" . "\x3D"
04:37 < dx> there.
04:37 < kiwhen> Okay, so there's a difference. I know that now. But I wasn't in the wrong galaxy.
04:37 < dx> alternatively you can choose a saner language in which stuff doesn't get converted between types implicitly
04:38 < kiwhen> I don't have Python or anything like that on my webserver, unfortunately.
04:38 < kiwhen> But it works, now I can move on to automating this thing, make it more friendly.
04:38 < kiwhen> Thanks again!
04:39 < dx> kiwhen: may i ask who owns the server that you're going to run this against?
04:39 < kiwhen> It's for an experimental stats-system. People can add their own server to a list.
04:40 < dx> if they are going to add their own server, you can just ask them to enable query
04:40 < kiwhen> I want it to be flexible. Besides, query doesn't allow full insight, does it?
04:41 < dx> it's not that i don't trust your network programming skills (okay, might be that, but still), it's that implementing the minecraft protocol requires you to parse correctly all the ~90 packets defined in it, and encryption too of course
04:41 < dx> also it will probably look like you join the server every time you gather the stats
04:42 < kiwhen> If that happens, I won't implement this.
04:42 < dx> http://wiki.vg/Query#Full_stat
04:43 < dx> minecraft version, server mod software, plugin list, number of players, max slots, and full list of players
04:43 < dx> what else do you need
04:43 < kiwhen> Number of worlds, for example.
04:43 < dx> you can't get that with a bot client
04:44 < kiwhen> Not 100%, but close enough.
04:44 < dx> err... no
04:45 < dx> the commands of the multiverse bukkit plugin usually aren't even available for normal users
04:45 < dx> and that's just one implementation of multiworld
04:46 < kiwhen> But you can grab a complete list of all commands they're using. Most of the time.
04:47 < dx> all the commands that you have permission to access, which for some servers is heavily limited for new users
04:47 < dx> also, you said you didn't want to appear as logged in
04:47 < kiwhen> Unless they are activly blocking the list, you can type / + TAB to see everything, no matter what permissions are in effect.
04:48 < kiwhen> I do that all the time.
04:48 < kiwhen> But anyway, I gotta run. Thanks for the help!
04:48 < dx> uh.. okay
04:54 < SinZ> kiwhen: http://pastebin.com/h6Bp2zNA
04:55 < SinZ> ugly code, pretty API to do roughtly what you originally wanted to do
04:55 < SinZ> roughly*
04:55 < dx> woo
04:55 < dx> he might actually get somewhere with this
04:56 < SinZ> its also untested, but was ripped and altered from a PHP mc classic bot
04:58 < SinZ> forgot the flushBuffer function, added it to the pastebin
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09:49 < Kyle> md_5: this be me.
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10:13 < AnotherOne> good day to you
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12:01 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2009 7 files : Added multi-threading to MapRenderer, controlled by -t/--threads parameter. Default is 2.
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14:12 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2010 2 files : Added a check to MapRenderer to prevent WorkQueue growing disproportionately quickly to ResultQueue, which wasted memory.
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14:51 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2011 2 files : Significantly sped up Map.ComputeHeightmap (thanks dotTrace)
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15:01 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2012 2 files : MapRenderer: avoid holding map object in memory after it has been rendered.
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15:08 < dav1d> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Teams_.280xD1.29
15:08 < dav1d> if mode is not 0 or 2 the other fields aren't sent?
15:09 < dav1d> why don't they send these fields always, would make parsing so much easier -.-
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15:09 < dav1d> ~10 more bytes
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15:09 < dav1d> who cares about 10 more bytes sent maybe 5 times
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15:13 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2013 2 files : MapRenderer: fixed excessive memory usage on startup
15:25 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2014 2 files : Added a mapfile counter and a percentage ticker to MapRenderer, for better progress indication
15:29 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2015 2 files : Fixed incorrect "N files processed" number being printed.
15:29 < dav1d> [15:29:29.439] Game: INFO: Connection thread died
15:29 < dav1d> yay
15:29 < dav1d> so informative
15:30 <+Matvei> R.I.P. connection thread
15:33 < dav1d> 2013-06-01 15:33:29 [INFO] Disconnecting zens1ert [/127.0.0.1:60751]: Outdated client!
15:33 < dav1d> meh
15:34 < dav1d> instead of trying to debug that, I should have looked at the server
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16:15 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2016 2 files : Slightly reduced peak RenderWorker memory usage by disposing bitmaps sooner.
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16:46 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: do you use classes to represent packets?
16:47 < dav1d> I was thinking of switching to structs, but they seem to make everything harder, I have to basically reimplement classes with structs
16:49 < dav1d> yeah, I'll revert that
16:54 < shoghicp> dav1d: Use clases, I'm moving to that approach in a few days xD
16:55 < dav1d> shoghicp: you don't have structs, do you?
16:55 < shoghicp> I used arrays of packet fields
16:56 < shoghicp> but MC has lots of special fields...
16:56 < dav1d> well yeah, but question of class vs. struct is, will it live on the heap or stack and is there inheritance
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17:03 < AnotherOne> did yiu see this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10965577/usage-preference-between-a-struct-and-a-class-in-d-language
17:05 < dav1d> yeah but I can't use structs if I don't want to use templates everywhere, otherwise I would need to reimplement classes with structs
17:05 < dav1d> this makes no sense
17:08 < AnotherOne> you dont need structs
17:08 < AnotherOne> use classes and everuthing will be ok:)
17:08  * AnotherOne makes jedi gesture
17:10 < AnotherOne> why do you want to switch to structs?
17:11 < dav1d> initially, to minimize the heap allocations
17:11 < dav1d> but I'll stick with classes, except Prf_Jakob comes up with something smart
17:12 < AnotherOne> do you think class objects are being allocated in heap only?
17:12 <+Prf_Jakob> dav1d: I use struct but I'm only doing classic so everything is fixed length.
17:12 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: yeah this unfortunatly doesn't work for me :(
17:13 < dav1d> AnotherOne: C++ is different from D
17:13 < AnotherOne> i see
17:13 < dav1d> I don't exactly know why this works in C++
17:13 < AnotherOne> they are shitting star-formed bricks trying to "fix C++ problems"
17:13 < dav1d> in D, clasess are references and allocated on the heap (everything else would segfault in 99% of all cases)
17:13 < AnotherOne> and in result... 
17:13 < dav1d> no, this makes sense
17:14 < dav1d> a class as reference type is awesome
17:14 < AnotherOne> why no leave choice?
17:14 < AnotherOne> retard-oriented programming?
17:15 < dav1d> use structs then
17:16 < AnotherOne> you should throw away D and write something in pure C like pbunny:)