13:09 < SimSonic_> dav1d, yes, it's something like this structure in ASN.1:  SEQUENCE { 0238 30    D:       SEQUENCE { 023A 06    9:         OBJECT IDENTIFIER rsaEncryption (1 2 840 113549 1 1 1) 0245 05    0:         NULL             :         } 0247 03   8D:       BIT STRING 0 unused bits, encapsulates {
13:09 < SimSonic_> sorry )
13:09 < SimSonic_> just like header
13:09 < nastyCreeper> Grum: as i mentioned, there is no future-to-past mappings
13:09 <+md_5> What language is this?
13:09 < nastyCreeper> only past-to-future
13:09 <+md_5> C#?
13:09 < Grum> nastyCreeper: then what is the use? :?
13:09 < dx> cobol?
13:09 < nastyCreeper> which means - if user is already in the past, nothing can influence what he had done in 'current time'
13:10 < SimSonic_> +md_5, it's ASN.1 notation for public keys
13:10 < nastyCreeper> Grum: such user can influence the 'current time' of others
13:10 < Grum> except placing a block in the past also places a block in the future?
13:10 <+md_5> No
13:10 < nastyCreeper> because they still exist in current time
13:10 <+md_5> What language are you using
13:10 < SimSonic_> I use c++
13:10 < nastyCreeper> Grum: well, killing some miner in the past and taking all the minerals will make his armor disappear in current time
13:10 < nastyCreeper> something like that
13:11 < nastyCreeper> and probably position will change
13:12 < nastyCreeper> because he was simulated differently than he actually behaved since the change
13:13 < Grum> nastyCreeper: so what if you mine 3 iron, make a pick, then go back in time before you mined the 3 iron and mine them with that pick you just made
13:13 < nastyCreeper> the real issue though is correct simulation of players ( so that they won't act stupidly)
13:13 < nastyCreeper> Grum: infinite iron? :)
13:14 < nastyCreeper> hmm
13:14 <+md_5> This is the crazy pbunny talking
13:14 < nastyCreeper> Grum: well, as i said, once you travel into the past - you don't belong to current time anymore
13:14 < Grum> well, when you mine the last piece (or the first) your pick should vanish and then you suddenly havent mined it, so your pick reappears ;)
13:14 < nastyCreeper> and changes don't apply to you
13:14 < nastyCreeper> Grum: it would be so if you were influented by changes
13:14 < Grum> but otherwise its not fun? :P
13:15 < nastyCreeper> but as you aren't part of future (current) time anymore, they don't apply to you
13:15 < nastyCreeper> Grum: it is. you can influence everything else
13:15 < Grum> i mean, find diamond, mine it, go back in time, mine it, repeatus infinitus
13:15 <+ammar2> Grum: your pick is now a paradox, the server crashes ripping a hole in the space time continuum
13:15 < nastyCreeper> lol
13:15 < jast> the universe crashes
13:15 < Grum> just divide by 0!
13:15 < dav1d> Grum: NaN
13:15 < nastyCreeper> Grum: if time travelling ability will be limited somehow (i.e. cost lots of diamonds) this won't be the issue
13:16 < Grum> NaN/0!
13:16 < jast> don't know what to do? divide by zero. universe disappears. Problem Solved (tm)!
13:16 < dav1d> Grum: according to IEEE754
13:16 < dav1d> Grum: NaN!
13:16 < dav1d> you're stuck in NaN!
13:16 < Grum> NeiN!!!
13:17 < Grum> right, so if you know where someone is digging you can just put lava all around him?
13:18 < nastyCreeper> Grum: yes, but in that case he won't go there
13:18 < nastyCreeper> he will be simulated differently from what he was really doing
13:18 < nastyCreeper> so in current time, he will suddenly be teleported to somewhere else ( and maybe lose some minerals etc)
13:19 < nastyCreeper> actually, much can change
13:22 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2004 2 files : A few more improvements to FloatingIslandMapGen. Looking better!
13:22 < nastyCreeper> Grum: your pick paradox is easily solved by making player inventory non-time-travelable
13:23 < nastyCreeper> if he goes into past, he will have what he had in that past
13:26 < nastyCreeper> i hate the idea of simulation though, it may do something that players won't like
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13:45 < shoghicp> What is the Entity id for a Falling Sand entity?
13:45 < shoghicp> nvm
13:45 < shoghicp> Minecraft PE IDs are different
13:46 < dx> time for some hardcore reverse engineering!
13:46 < dx> i never bothered about minecraft PE because i could never legally buy it
13:47 < dx> and the demo hasn't been updated for a year
13:47 < shoghicp> oh, man, you reminded me that I had a MCPE dissector & extractor tool!
13:47 < dx> i even sent mojang a mail asking for an updated demo and possibly other methods to buy it, but no replies ever
13:47 < dx> shoghicp: fun!
13:47 < shoghicp> yay 0x42 FallingTile (Entity)
13:47 < dav1d> FailingTile
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15:50 < Thinkofdeath> Might as well put this here
15:50 < Thinkofdeath> https://gist.github.com/Dinnerbone/5662824 (Resource packs)
15:53 < TobiX> JSON!
15:56 < Grum> told you we'd be using json more
15:56 < Thinkofdeath> Will the resource packs be sendable from the server like texture packs are?
15:58 < Grum> perhaps
15:59 < Grum> probably
15:59 < Grum> but we'd have to figure out 'on what layer' to put them
15:59 < mbaxter> Next up, all packets replaced by a single packet which consists of a length and json data string. :D
15:59 < Grum> as you can have multiple packs
15:59 < Grum> mbaxter: you guys asked for length! there you have it!
15:59 < mbaxter> srsly
15:59 < mbaxter> instant solution!
15:59 <+pdelvo> or put the asserts in a big json file as data urls :D
15:59 < nastyCreeper> :[
16:00 < Grum> we'd just ship the encoded data in a json-container
16:01 < mbaxter> had an argument this month with someone who uses Packet250/FA to send json for key:value pairs.
16:01  * mbaxter sob
16:02 < Grum> seems like a good way to do it ;)
16:08 < nastyCreeper> so how do i display falling block?
16:09 < Thinkofdeath> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#0x17 with id of 70
16:09 < Thinkofdeath> *Type
16:10 < nastyCreeper> is it possible with any block type?
16:10 < nastyCreeper> i.e. portals flying around
16:11 < Thinkofdeath> Yep
16:12 < Thinkofdeath> Not sure if all of them look right though
16:13 <+pdelvo> coul a resource pack contain an animated moon?
16:15 < nastyCreeper> what is the client skin checking sequence?
16:15 < nastyCreeper> is it described anywhere?
16:16 <+pdelvo> sequence?
16:17 <+pdelvo> Download skin. Doesnt work? Use default
16:17 < nastyCreeper> download from where?
16:17 < nastyCreeper> what request is sent and what is received?
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16:19 < barneygale> nastyCreeper: you remind me more of pbunny every day
16:19 < nastyCreeper> barneygale: sorry for that
16:19 < nastyCreeper> can we drop 'remind pbunny' talks?
16:20 < barneygale> No, because banned users aren't allowed to come back on alt accounts.
16:20 < nastyCreeper> do you have evidence of me being pbunny?
16:20 <+pdelvo> http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftSkins/pdelvo.png
16:20 < barneygale> everything you've said in this channel to date.
16:20 <+pdelvo> do a http get
16:20 < nastyCreeper> barneygale: this is not evidence. at court, everybody would laugh at you after such statement
16:21 < barneygale> From the moment you came in and complained about Java and OOP
16:21 < nastyCreeper> barneygale: similarity of views isn't evidence of being the same person
16:22 < nastyCreeper> barneygale: you'd be amazed of how many millions of people dislike java and oop
16:22 < barneygale> This channel is publicly logged? I'ma compile logs and hold a vote on the wiki.
16:22 < nastyCreeper> "compile logs"?
16:23 < barneygale> yes.
16:24 < nastyCreeper> to binary?
16:24 < barneygale> what?
16:24 < barneygale> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/compile
16:24 < nastyCreeper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler
16:25 < barneygale> "To put together; to assemble; to make by gathering things from various sources."
16:25 < barneygale> I said "compile" not "compiler"
16:25 < nastyCreeper> good
16:25 < barneygale> good?
16:25 < nastyCreeper> now can you please tell me where are "various sources" within logs?
16:25 < barneygale> Are you really bringing me up on my use of the word "compile"? Are you a native speaker?
16:26 < nastyCreeper> yes
16:26 < barneygale> why?
16:27 < nastyCreeper> because i was born in english-speaking family
16:27 < barneygale> But hold on. When you first brought me up on it, your objection was that I was misapplying computer terminology
16:27 < barneygale> Why the change?
16:29 < nastyCreeper> because changes are unavoidable
16:30 < barneygale> hahahahahahahahaha
16:30 < barneygale> you're so full of shit
16:30 < barneygale> Here's another word you might not have heard before: www.wiktionary.org/wiki/contrarian
16:31 < jast> just drop it, it's going nowhere fast
16:31 < nastyCreeper> i agree
16:31 < jast> instead, petition for action to be taken
16:31 < jast> you've got my vote
16:31 < barneygale> jast: in progress.
16:34 < jast> fwiw it's completely irrelevant if he's pbunny, even though he clearly is.
16:35 < nastyCreeper> and you are clearly Avraam Lincoln
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16:42 < jast> yeah
16:42 < dx> "avraam"
16:42 < dx> sounds like a microcontroller subarchitecture
16:53 < TkTech> shoghicp: Dissector? As in Wireshark dissector?
16:53 < TkTech> (Don't you dare raise my hopes and dash them down)
16:55 < AlphaBlend> So whose for a real-time world that doesn't unload chunks people?
16:55  * AlphaBlend is seriously joking, just had to say this for laughs of his own want
16:58 < dx> unloading chunks is the greatest evil in this world
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17:00 < AlphaBlend> heh
17:00 < AlphaBlend> it's how it should be due to memory though
17:01 < AlphaBlend> if only it wasn't required, but since it is, not doing so is out of the question
17:01 < dx> bah
17:02 < dx> you're no fun AlphaBlend
17:02 < AlphaBlend> and for those people who want "real-time" it'll only get as close as non-moving blocks/entities that will simiulate "realtime"
17:02 < dx> what's this "real-time" thing?
17:02 < dx> "real-time day cycles"? "real-time latency scheduling"?
17:02 < AlphaBlend> i put 64 cobblestone and 8 coal in a furnace, and leave the area
17:03 < AlphaBlend> i come back after the time it takes the whole stack to be smelted, and it's all done
17:03 < AlphaBlend> that thing
17:03 < AlphaBlend> what i mean about realtime
17:03 < dx> oh lol
17:04 < AlphaBlend> only in this case due to unloading chunks, it's merely simulating it, because it has to rely on ticks to figure out where to next determine reality
17:04 < dx> what people normally solve with chunk loaders (there's even a block for that in one of those popular forge mods which i can't remember)
17:04 < AlphaBlend> hm
17:04 < jast> I suppose you could do trickery to simulate the passage of time in unloaded chunks for the most part
17:04 < AlphaBlend> not really trickery
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17:04 < TkTech> It's easy when everything is deterministic keyed off of time.
17:04 < jast> i.e. define a model for certain types of updates and simulate them much more quickly when the chunk goes back online
17:05 < jast> you don't want to have to actually simulate each of the 10 million ticks for which the chunk was unloaded, after all :)
17:05 < AlphaBlend> and it's not necessarily to do with chunks either, it's to do with all those blocks that make use of ticking to simulate time
17:05 < jast> sure, but it's still 10 million ticks, conceivably
17:07 < jast> I'd just ignore entities that are hard to simulate quickly (e.g. redstone) and then do a statistical estimation of what might have happened to other entities during the time they were gone, and go from there
17:07 < TkTech> For many things, like plant growth, it is extremely simple to make deterministic.
17:07 < AlphaBlend> hmm
17:07 < TkTech> For the given chunk state X, you know the proper state of the object at any point in time (t)
17:07 < jast> not deterministic, but easy to calculate
17:07 < AlphaBlend> i suppose then, it should be only applied to tile entities
17:08 < AlphaBlend> you don't want to simulate mobs moving around when chunks are unloaded ;p
17:08 < AlphaBlend> and then fast forward them when the chunk is loaded back
17:10 < dx> this reminds me of the nightmare that is limiting tile entity cpu usage on heavily modded servers
17:10 < dx> the crap people build with industrialcrap and other stuff gets so complex that there's no way to predict it to save cycles
17:11 < AlphaBlend> lol
17:11 < AlphaBlend> what i don't like, and this is on another note, how people build cramped mob farms
17:12 < dx> "cramped"?
17:12 < AlphaBlend> yes
17:12 < AlphaBlend> say you build a 8x8 area
17:12 < AlphaBlend> that has like 200 chickens in it
17:12 < AlphaBlend> the pathing smells >.<
17:12 < dx> oh, that kind of farms, not the ones that spawn using darkness
17:13 < AlphaBlend> we have multiple players that have these
17:13 < AlphaBlend> >.>
17:13 < nastyCreeper> why not just let chickens pass through each other
17:13 < dx> i think they do
17:13 < dx> lol
17:13 < AlphaBlend> well
17:13 < AlphaBlend> you can spawn 50 of them on a single block
17:13 < AlphaBlend> looks mad funny
17:13 < AlphaBlend> until they're disturbed, then they all spread out XD
17:14 < AlphaBlend> even more hilarious, spawn them up high in the air, and watch them descend all in the same location
17:15 < dx> not really related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNw2YcAK9Wc
17:19 < AlphaBlend> YESSSSSSS
17:19 < nastyCreeper> any smooth way to alter gravity?
17:19 < AlphaBlend> CATTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSS
17:19 < nastyCreeper> i.e. make it pull player to side, too
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17:19 < AlphaBlend> CAT FOUNTAIN, OMG
17:20 < AlphaBlend> dx: Great find!
17:20 < dx> :D
17:21 < AlphaBlend> anyways
17:21 < AlphaBlend> i enjoy talking about how minecraft could be, and how it could not be, always interesting
17:21 < dx> well, we can agree that minecraft needs more cat fountains
17:22 < AlphaBlend> if Notch were here, I'd tip my fedora and say, "Job well done! You did good, and now it's other people's hands."
17:22 < nastyCreeper> AlphaBlend: do you think time sinks are possible in minecraft
17:22 < nastyCreeper> ?
17:22 < AlphaBlend> going back in time? or jumping time to a certain place?
17:22 < nastyCreeper> going back
17:23 < nastyCreeper> in time
17:23 < nastyCreeper> server running multiple layers of time simultaneously
17:23 < dx> we also know that the cpu time involved in having several cat fountains in a server isn't nice, so i believe we need to add a packet to the protocol to start/stop a cat fountain
17:23 < dx> best idea ever y/y
17:23 < nastyCreeper> and older layers influence newer layers
17:23 < AlphaBlend> uhh, it's all possible if you remember state. How to remember state is completely up for debate, as it would require efficiency, but yes, I think it's possible
17:23 < AlphaBlend> lol dx
17:23 < nastyCreeper> AlphaBlend: how would you synchronize changes in the past with players from 'current time'
17:23 < nastyCreeper> ?
17:24 < AlphaBlend> good point
17:24 < nastyCreeper> i am thinking of simulating their actions in case of change related to them
17:25 < nastyCreeper> then just update their entity with results got in end of simulation
17:25 < AlphaBlend> Would you be in complete control of, say, your player entity being in both areas at the same time?
17:26 < nastyCreeper> i assume if the player went to past - he is no longer existant in present
17:26 < AlphaBlend> oh
17:26 < nastyCreeper> he becomes his old entity
17:26 < nastyCreeper> inventory won't time-travel, too
17:26 < AlphaBlend> this is not such a concept I can easily wrap around my head, as it requires multiple states of time
17:27 < nastyCreeper> hm, the good thing is - timeslice can be stopped as soon as all players leave it
17:28 < nastyCreeper> snapshots must be kept and taken though
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17:30 < AlphaBlend> lol
17:30 < nastyCreeper> travelling to future seems easy if other parts are done
17:30 < nastyCreeper> present slice is just fast-forwarded to required time point, and the former present slice becomes past
17:31 < nastyCreeper> so other players remain in past after that
17:31 < AlphaBlend> either way
17:31 < AlphaBlend> since the present has to eventually catch up to where the future is
17:32 < AlphaBlend> the future would exist in its own state
17:32 < AlphaBlend> when the present catches up
17:32 < AlphaBlend> only
17:32 < nastyCreeper> that's why a synchronisation between past and future is needed
17:32 < nastyCreeper> i see it as following
17:33 < AlphaBlend> the present will never catch up to where the future is at a given time, meaning the present will be catching up to the past of the future at that time
17:33 < nastyCreeper> 1) user makes change in the past (i.e. digs block) 2) past slice is resimulated (applying different simulation to entities/... that the change was relevant to) 3) present time slice is instantly updated to end state of that simulation
17:33 < AlphaBlend> either way, just like the real-time world, I actually think this may require more memory on-board
17:34 < nastyCreeper> luckily, time slices can be easily split between cores and even physical servers
17:34 < nastyCreeper> they don't interact much
17:34 < nastyCreeper> and a separate server can be used just for fast-forwarding of time slices
17:35 < nastyCreeper> all it has to do is receive snapshot of start state, simulate it and return snapshot of end state
17:36 < AlphaBlend> physica servers?
17:36 < AlphaBlend> physical*
17:36 < AlphaBlend> oh wow, parallel processing XD
17:36 < nastyCreeper> parallel processing isn't actually needed
17:37 < nastyCreeper> as i said, time slices don't interact except when player gets transferred
17:37 < nastyCreeper> or past-to-future sync is done
17:38 < nastyCreeper> btw, http://wiki.vg/Ban_slanderers_on_mcdevs
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17:43 < barneygale> hahahahaha
17:44 < barneygale> you're so funny pbunny
17:44 < nastyCreeper> see?
17:45 < edk> can you add me to that list please?
17:45 < AlphaBlend> ^
17:45 < nastyCreeper> it's a wiki, you can edit
17:45 < AlphaBlend> me too, because the future me will be bashing you
17:46 < nastyCreeper> lol
17:46 < nastyCreeper> future me added you
17:46 < edk> It says "I propose"
17:46 < AlphaBlend> i know it's you too pbunny
17:46 < edk> if I add stuff, it'll be a lie, since you didn't propose it
17:46 < nastyCreeper> i listed the ones with most issues
17:47 < nastyCreeper> anyway, i gtg for now
17:47  * nastyCreeper afk
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17:47 < edk> fine, i'll add myself
17:58 < dx> fuck
17:58 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+o TkTech] by ChanServ
17:58 < dx> i was going to add myself but the page is deleted :(
17:59 < AlphaBlend> anyways, gotta go
17:59 < AlphaBlend> it was fun #mcdevers
17:59 < AlphaBlend> #mcdevs people
17:59 < AlphaBlend> ;p
17:59 <+pdelvo> :)
18:03 < dx> TkTech: that @ hat looks beautiful on you
18:03 < shoghicp> ^ I was going to say that
18:03 < shoghicp> Besides, good work with Notifico, TkTech :D
18:03 < Yoshi2> some serious business is about to happen
18:04 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+b *!~asd@static-71-174-73-11.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] by TkTech
18:04 -!- nastyCreeper was kicked from #mcdevs by TkTech [Have a little timeout. I agree that several people in the channel have been very immature, but the constant for agitation has thus far been yourself. You'll be welcome back in the channel tomorrow.]
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18:04 < dx> we're immature? :(
18:05 <@TkTech> Yes, honestly I find it embarassing.
18:05 <+pdelvo> @TkTech I really dont want your job here :D
18:05 < shoghicp> TkTech can I donate to Notifico! ?
18:05 < dx> TkTech: could you clarify?
18:05 <@TkTech> Over the fast few days several of you have been extremely immature in regards to the whole "pbunny" thing. Just let it drop and get on with your lives.
18:06 <@TkTech> shoghicp: The best donation is the one that comes in the form of a pull request :)
18:06 -!- mode/#mcdevs [-o TkTech] by ChanServ
18:06 < dx> i've tried to ignore him and his clones
18:07 < shoghicp> ALso, you need a way to detect server splits
18:07 < dx> but he just keeps interrupting actual conversations with conspiracy theories about java and microsoft
18:07 < shoghicp> the other day the bot got trapped in a split server
18:07 < dx> shoghicp: why should the bot do anything about that?
18:07 < shoghicp> And the only way to recover it was changing the server in the settings (after that, it crashed)
18:07 < shoghicp> dx: he is alone, without company
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18:08 < shoghicp> N! loves humans
18:08 < dx> netsplits affect ircd links - being alone in a server is just a special case
18:08 < dx> you could have a way to send a signal to the bot to reconnect, though
18:09 < TkTech> Yeah, that doesn't really seem like I case I can reliably handle. Even full clients don't detect netsplits properly (often have false positives).
18:09 < shoghicp> maybe a way to reconnect it (captcha-triggered and time limited)
18:09 < TkTech> I can probably flag possible splits and give mods the ability to reconnect them
18:09 < shoghicp> So we don't have to crash it :(
18:09 < shoghicp> hmm
18:09 < shoghicp> :D
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18:10 < shoghicp> uh
18:11 < shoghicp> TkTech: that should be a good solution, thanks :)
18:11 < shoghicp> So, as you said, I should donate doing pull requests, right?
18:12  * shoghicp thinking ways to donate real money using pull requests
18:12 < TkTech> Yup. I don't need money but I do need time.
18:13 < dx> TkTech: also, PM
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18:21 < AnotherOne> sup mcdevs
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18:23 < luntik13> hi
18:23 <+pdelvo> hi
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18:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+1/-0/±3] http://git.io/wnrW3w
18:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a34c444 - Added docs and reworked README
18:27 < dx> hey guys i'm trying to set a timeout to a function that runs on a thread, but for some reason this timeout expires much before the period of time i specified
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18:27 < dx> any idea on why this would be happening?
18:27 < dx> oh wait, nevermind, nevermind
18:28 < luntik13> thread is scheduled with lower priority?
18:28 < dx> i didn't pass the timeout parameter, it's using the default which seems to be 20 minutes
18:28 < luntik13> good job m8
18:28 < dx> yeah it's dumb i know
18:29 < dx> even dumber that the default timeout is 20 minutes when it's meant to be at least 48 hours
18:29 < dx> (i have to do a lot of processing)
18:29 < luntik13> is it java app?
18:29 < dx> okay there pushed to the repo, and i gotta leave now. see you guys later.
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18:34 < AnotherOne> fuck
18:34 < AnotherOne> i can't github
18:36 < AnotherOne> i can't download github client
18:36 < AnotherOne> wtf
18:36 < Yoshi2> I have yet to github at least once in my life
18:38 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/EQ3k3w
18:38 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b93c31e - Modify readme
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18:46 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/jeBAjQ
18:46 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 432381e - Update THANKS
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18:56 < Grum> AnotherOne: dont use the client?
18:56 <+pdelvo> the client is awesome! It updates your git automaticly without you have to worry about :D
18:57 <+clonejo> pdelvo: does it work for Linux?
18:57 < TkTech> AnotherOne: It may take you a bit to get used to it (and no one ever learns everything you can do with it), but I'd recommend giving git proper a try.
18:57 <+pdelvo> nope "Github for windows" does not run on linux
18:57 <+clonejo> haha
18:57 < TkTech> AnotherOne: The UI really isn't for developers, it's for the people with repo access on the team that don't know what command.com is.
18:58 <+clonejo> Isn't TortoiseGit quite nice?
18:58 < dx> i think command.com hasn't been used since win 9x died... but the point is still valid
19:01 < Grum> you should really use it on the cmdline before you use a visual client
19:01 < dx> i've used tortoisesvn in the past and it was acceptable since the command set of svn is very limited
19:02 < Grum> mostly the terminology in the visual clients is different from the proper git jargon causing you to have far more confusion when you have a problem and then cannot explain what is *really* doing beyond: 'oh i pressed this buttan' :p
19:02 < dx> heh
19:02 < dx> true
19:02 < Grum> also git is SUPER MEGA trivial under the hood
19:03 < dx> once you understand it
19:03 < Grum> no git by design is super trivial
19:04 < Grum> and then they added some sauce
19:05 <+clonejo> The probably first #mcdevs meetup ever will happen this evening.
19:05 < dx> yes, if you understand how it works, you can see the design is simple. the process of learning it seems to cause problems for a lot of people, especially if they try to compare with SVN
19:05 < dx> clonejo: woo!
19:05 <+clonejo> just two of us, but better than nothing
19:06 < Grum> yeah
19:06 < Grum> you have to instantly forget SVN
19:06 < Grum> every single bit of it
19:06 < Grum> and think of how a 'sane' person would do it
19:06 < dx> heh
19:21 < Brandon15811> dx, I actually tried compiling it against bionic, but gave up after a few days and several hacks
19:21 < dx> Brandon15811: oh lol, this is static then?
19:21 < Brandon15811> So I just used the codesourcery toolchain and compiled the binary statically
19:21 < dx> that explains the 20mb
19:21 < dx> :D
19:21 < dx> Brandon15811: what libc did you link against?
19:22 < dx> and porting to bionic is a source of headaches for a lot of people, so it's perfectly okay to give up and go static
19:24 < Brandon15811> dx, I used this
19:24 < Brandon15811> http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/sourcery-tools/sourcery-codebench/editions/lite-edition/
19:26 < dx> >The CodeSourcery C Library (CSLIBC) is a proprietary small-footprint, high performance C library that is part of all Sourcery CodeBench
19:27 < dx> i wonder if they reinvented a wheel that is reinvented enough to compile most stuff out of the box, or just stole from BSD
19:29 < dx> oh, musl is MIT licensed. could be that too
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20:19 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2005 2 files : More FloatingIslandMapGen improvements.
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20:32 < AnotherOne> http://i46.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0528/ed/058f63fbb88f4dd7934df66a27b508ed.png
20:32 < AnotherOne> what did i do wrong?
20:34 < dav1d> wtf is this site
20:34 < redu_> yep, wrong site is what you did
20:35 < AnotherOne> site is ok
20:36 < AnotherOne> it is normal image hosting that can handle non-ascii file names
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20:37 < redu_> now that I took a second look
20:37 < AnotherOne> so what should i do?
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20:40 < dx> AnotherOne: why does the filename of the image matter?
20:41 < dx> AnotherOne: and if you're using that weird-ass client that doesn't show proper error messages, there's nothing we can do to help
20:41 < AnotherOne> whay client is ok?
20:42 < AnotherOne> what*
20:42 < dx> command line one
20:42 < AnotherOne> fuk it
20:42 < AnotherOne> i want to push buttons
20:42 < dx> at the very least, it does not attempt to hide the actual error message to make it easier to understand
20:43 < dx> it does not think the user is an idiot
20:44 < dx> (just to be clear i'm not saying you are, i'm saying that GUI treats you like one)
20:46 < AnotherOne> not every gui i think
20:48 < dx> oh of course
20:48 < dx> some apps have really neat log viewers too
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20:58 < AnotherOne> github client has some troubles with refreshing data
20:59 < AnotherOne> "shoeless shoemaker", omg
20:59 < AnotherOne> shame on github team
21:01 < AnotherOne> it works
21:01 < AnotherOne> so... https://github.com/tehme/mcprotocol
21:02 < AnotherOne> sorry for dirty code
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21:07 < Grum> https://github.com/tehme/mcprotocol/blob/master/slotdata.h#L14 <-- whut? ;D
21:07 < AnotherOne> yes
21:08 < AnotherOne> russian comments
21:08 < AnotherOne> will fix later
21:08 < Grum> doesnt even look russian O.o
21:09 < AnotherOne> encoding:)
21:09 < Grum> rather lack of encoding?
21:10 < dx> looks like an eastern european variant of ISO-8859-* interpreted as ISO-8859-1
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21:11 < dx> i wish we could just kill these encodings already
21:12 < AnotherOne> how do i make changes?
21:12 < AnotherOne> just edit files and git takes care of anything else?
21:13 < dav1d> that is a lot of unsorted files
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21:45 < dav1d> pdelvo: ping!
21:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/UE07EA
21:48 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 46e4090 - Catch Throwable in VerboseThread
21:49 < dav1d> pdelvo: your example world works for me, I pushed changes which should report the error if it the threads crash ^
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21:55 < dav1d> oh
21:55 < dav1d> here we go
21:56 < dav1d> if I move a bit the threads crash
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22:07 < AnotherOne> fuck threads
22:07 < AnotherOne> i have deadlock
22:08 < dav1d> AnotherOne: don't use them?
22:08 < AnotherOne> asynchronous hacks?
22:09 < Yoshi2> you might want to simplify your threads to prevent deadlocks
22:10 < AnotherOne> how should it work? main loop: read data from socket with some timeout, try to process received data, other
22:10 < AnotherOne> but how long must this timeout be?
22:12 < AnotherOne> simplify you say...
22:12 <+Fador> how about non-blocking sockets?
22:12 < AnotherOne> i don't understand how they work
22:13 <+Fador> my whole server is on a single thread
22:13 < AnotherOne> what if this socket is still reading whrn i want to process data?
22:13 < AnotherOne> when*
22:13 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] http://git.io/RXPj6Q
22:13 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 040ce1c - no lock needed for queue.empty
22:13 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 5923df2 - put chunk into tessellation queue only once
22:13 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 045ff23 - Fixed tessellation thread crashs when accessing empty chunk
22:14 < dav1d> AnotherOne: http://docs.python.org/2/library/select.html#select.select http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?select+2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Select_(Unix)
22:14 <+Fador> read -> process -> back to read if not enough data
22:14 < dav1d> also
22:14 < dav1d> AnotherOne: http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libev.html
22:15 < dav1d> more libev http://doc.dvgu.ru/devel/ev.html
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22:19 < dav1d> pdelvo: would be cool if you could try again now and see if it still fails
22:20 <+clonejo> dav1d: #mcdevs meetup was fun!
22:20 <+clonejo> hehe
22:20 < dav1d> clonejo: oh you did do one :D
22:20 < dav1d> nice
22:20 < dav1d> did you make photos!?
22:20 <+clonejo> nope
22:20 < dav1d> *take pictures
22:21 <+clonejo> we are not the photo taking people
22:21 < dav1d> too bad!
22:21 <+clonejo> put pdelvo will start studying at the RWTH next semester, so we might have a lot of #mcdevs meetups in the future
22:22 < dav1d> I should have gone to aachen instead of vienna :P
22:22 < dav1d> (was my 2nd coice)
22:22 < dav1d> *choice
22:22 <+clonejo> hehe
22:27 < dav1d> noooo
22:28 <+clonejo> in theory you could still switch, but it would mean a lot of hassle
22:28 < dav1d> na not gonna do that
22:28 < dav1d> maybe I'll make my master there
22:29 < dav1d> :( I thought I improved performance but I think I just made it worse
22:29 < dav1d> tessellation = faster, rendering slower
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22:30 < dav1d> btw git blame is cool
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22:31 <+clonejo> pretty much
22:46 <+pdelvo> we watched Hangover 3 :D
22:47 < dav1d> lol
22:47 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2006 2 files : Further tweaks to FloatingIslandMapGen, including stream and waterfall generation.
22:49 < dav1d> wtf did I break again -.-
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23:01 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/1CCgdg
23:01 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 9135024 - reverted useless optimization, added some more helpers
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23:06 <+pdelvo> @ dav1d https://gist.github.com/pdelvo/394ffdf37f41faefe40b
23:07 < dav1d> pdelvo: they can be ignored
23:07 < dav1d> pdelvo: but everything else works?
23:07 <+pdelvo> jeah :)
23:08 < dav1d> awesome! 
23:08 < dav1d> next step will probably 1.5 support
23:08 < dav1d> then a change to the packets: class → struct
23:08 < dav1d> and then maybe physics
23:09 < dav1d> next year probably :P
23:09 <+pdelvo> what about the lightning? 
23:09 <+pdelvo> we need shadows!
23:09 <+clonejo> -n
23:09 < dav1d> pdelvo: ha!
23:09 < dav1d> I was thinking of throwing the rendering as it is away
23:10 < dav1d> → shadows fancy dynamic lights n' stuff
23:12 <+pdelvo> it seems like this version is performing better then the previous
23:12 <+pdelvo> Now I got around 900fps
23:12 < dav1d> yeah :)
23:12 < dav1d> I made a stuipid optimization which was dumb
23:13 <+pdelvo> Can you make the mojang team make stupid optimizations too?
23:13 <+pdelvo> Youre good at this
23:14 < dav1d> ha, I mean, in the first version there was that stuipid optimization :P
23:14 < dav1d> (which I removed in this)
23:14 <+pdelvo> oh :D
23:15 < dav1d> pdelvo: is your chunk-renderdistance thingy set to 10 in the server config?
23:15 < shoghicp> dx: ping
23:15 < dav1d> shoghicp: pong
23:15 < dx> shoghicp: HELLO
23:16 < dx> dav1d: YOU'RE NOT ME
23:16 < dav1d> WHAT?
23:16 < dav1d> who am I?
23:16 < dav1d> (please don't say pbunny now)
23:16 < shoghicp> I got a new android binary for you ;) (33s world generation/ 2 seconds normal start)
23:16 < dx> shoghicp: NEAT
23:17 < shoghicp> dx: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pocketmine/files/builds/PHP_5.4.15_ARM_Android.tar
23:17 < dx> shoghicp: THIS ISN'T 5.5
23:17 < shoghicp> nope
23:17 < dx> dav1d: NASTYCREEPER
23:17 < shoghicp> It is compiled by Brandon15811
23:17 < dx> Brandon15811: THANKS
23:17 < shoghicp> I do the PHP5.5 ones
23:17 < Brandon15811> welcome :D
23:18 < dav1d> shoghicp: sourceforge?
23:18 < shoghicp> dav1d: binaries, too big for github
23:18 < dav1d> lol
23:18 < dav1d> shoghicp: wow you got lots of commits there
23:18 < shoghicp> (too big => too much bandwidth)
23:19 < dx> randomly quoting: "If your project is hosted on SourceForge I’m immediately 90% less likely to use it."
23:20 <+pdelvo> view distance is a t 10
23:20 < dx> pdelvo: you bralaing?
23:20 <+pdelvo> jeah
23:20 < dav1d> kk
23:21 < shoghicp> I host my project on github ;)
23:21 < shoghicp> but binaries are too big
23:21 < shoghicp> So I use sourceforge for that and only for that
23:21 < dx> yeah, that's actually a good decision
23:22 < dx> sourceforge might not be user friendly but they don't hate file downloads
23:22 <+pdelvo> @ dav1d I get about 500fps at 15 view distance. 
23:22 < dav1d> this is great!
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23:24 < dav1d> impressive
23:24 < dav1d> php would kill after even 1k lines
23:24 <+pdelvo> Lets see if you can impress me. switching to hd 4000 onboard graphics...
23:25 < dav1d> haha
23:25 < dav1d> probably won't even start
23:25 < dav1d> na it should
23:25 <+pdelvo> hd 4000 is pretty good for an onboard solution
23:26 < dav1d> yeah it probably supports even opengl 4.3
23:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/47YCtQ
23:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 67c92de - Fixed build issues on Mono
23:26 <+pdelvo> guess how many fps i get. view distance is 15
23:28 <+pdelvo> 350 oO
23:28 < dav1d> wow
23:28 < dav1d> pdelvo: did I impress you? :)
23:28 <+pdelvo> yes you did. so i think the cpu is limiting there
23:28 < dav1d> that would be insane
23:29 < dav1d> try moving to a jungle
23:29 < dav1d> it should get really worse in comparison to a flat area (without many trees)
23:30 <+pdelvo> i need to put up my movement speed first. this would take hours to fly to a jungle
23:31 < dav1d> is it slower than creative speed?
23:31 <+pdelvo> it feels like
23:31 < shoghicp> dx: works?
23:31 < dav1d> yeah, but dimensions aren't correct, blocks are smaller than in "real" minecraft
23:32 < dx> shoghicp: I DON'T KNOW
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23:33 <+pdelvo> it freezed
23:33 <+pdelvo> last thing on the console: NOT LOGGED: Freeing 0x08ce05bc. brala\dine\chunk.d:74
23:33 < dav1d> pdelvo: can you paste more
23:34 < dav1d> NOT LOGGED is often displayed when the D runtime shuts down
23:35 < dav1d> (or out of memory)
23:35 <+pdelvo> no i dont have more now. but there wasnt anything special
23:35 < Seegee> Does anyone know what the player speed is measured in?  http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_Abilities_.280xCA.29
23:35 <+md_5> Multiplier iirc
23:35 < dav1d> pdelvo: did you see if it was shutting down? or was it a crash?
23:36 < dav1d> shutdown = 400 free messages
23:36 <+pdelvo> dont know
23:36 <+pdelvo> but i got a crash for you
23:36 < Seegee> "Multiplier iirc" was that to me +md_5?
23:36 <+md_5> Yeah
23:36 < dav1d> yay
23:36 <+md_5> Gtg bye
23:36 < dav1d> gotta luv dem crashes
23:37 <+pdelvo> https://gist.github.com/pdelvo/bbf086f219a294bd1810
23:37 <+pdelvo> there are multiple in it
23:37 < dav1d> wow xD
23:38 < Seegee> Does anyone know what +md_5 meant when he said "Multiplier iirc"
23:38 < dav1d> pdelvo: do you always get so many opengl warnings?
23:38 <+pdelvo> jeah
23:38 <+pdelvo> with both gpus
23:39 < dav1d> also when not moving?
23:39 < dav1d> interesting
23:39 <+pdelvo> when im not moving i only get frame time reports
23:40 < dav1d> well then it's fine
23:40 <+pdelvo> It crashed again while i was writing in here
23:40 <+pdelvo> "Invalid height"
23:40 < dav1d> still gotta look into it
23:40 < dav1d> void on_packet(T : s.BlockChange)(T packet) {
23:40 < dav1d>         _current_world.set_block(vec3i(packet.x, packet.y, packet.z), Block(packet.type, packet.metadata));
23:40 < dav1d>     }
23:40 < dav1d> invalid BlockChange packet
23:40 < dav1d> looks like it
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23:42 < dav1d> gah why are there no stacktraces
23:42 < dav1d> stuipid windows
23:43 < dav1d> pdelvo: is bin/bralad.exe a 32 bit or 64 bit executable?
23:43 <+pdelvo> 32bit
23:44 < Brandon15811> dx, if you're curious, I pushed the script I used for cross-compiling php
23:44 < Brandon15811> https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/src/build/cross-compile.sh
23:44 < dx> fun
23:44 < dx> "arm-none-linux-gnueabi"
23:45 < dav1d> pdelvo: btw. you could probably get 1000+ fps when compiling with -O -inline -noboundscheck and without -debug -g -gc :)
23:45 < dav1d> or by using gcc
23:45 < dav1d> *gdc
23:46 < dx> Brandon15811: lines 35-40 are basically reinventing autoconf
23:47 < Brandon15811> dx, those were from shoghicp
23:47 < dx> shoghicp: THIS IS YOUR FAULT
23:48 < shoghicp> dx: sure it is
23:48 < dx> shoghicp: EVERYTHING IS
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00:14 < feep> hi
00:14 < dav1d> feep: o/
00:14 < feep> \o
00:14 < feep> can I ignore encryption if I just want to run offline mode?
00:14 <+pdelvo> hi
00:14 < dav1d> feep: omg you work on your client again?
00:14 < feep> and if so: how do I handle clients sending a 0xfd when polling a server?
00:14 < feep> dav1d: server
00:14 < dav1d> feep: oh right :P
00:14 < feep> dav1d: and I'm just poking at it right now
00:15 < feep> I can't find any sort of "reject encryption" packet.. :p
00:15 < dav1d> feep: I think you can ignore it in offline mode, clonejo knows more :P
00:15 < feep> will polling simply not work?
00:15 < feep> dav1d: well the problem is that it sends a 0xfd even just for the server browser
00:15 < dav1d> feep: 0xfd is sent server → client
00:15 < feep> I get it on the server
00:15 < feep> hm
00:16 < feep> moar logging
00:16 < dav1d> feep: na, this shouldn't happen
00:16 < feep> maybe I'm doing handshake wrong. logging will tell.
00:16 < dav1d> feep: client sends EncryptionKeyResponse
00:17 < dav1d> if the server omits 0xfd the client should know there is no encryption
00:17 < feep> oh, my mistake
00:17 < feep> I got the translation wrong. I should really make it dump packet ids in hex ..
00:17 < feep> is actually a 0xfe :D
00:17 < feep> in my defense I just got up
00:18 < dav1d> feep: just send a oxff
00:18 < dav1d> *0xff
00:18 < feep> oh, I see. It's a compiler bug on my part.
00:19 < dav1d> feep: you can blame yourself for that compiler bug! :P
00:19 < dav1d> feep: there it is: http://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping
00:19 < feep> yus, fixing fixing
00:19 < feep> for some reason, "0xfe == ubyte:-2" fails
00:20 < dav1d> o.O
00:20 < feep> I think I convert ubyte to int incorrectly.
00:20 < dav1d> ah
00:20 < dav1d> feep: well depends
00:20 < dav1d> -2 != -2
00:20 < feep> aaaa cold laptop on lap
00:20 < dav1d> you probably don't keep the sign?
00:20 < feep> I didn't use to have unsigned bytes
00:20 < feep> so the transition probably mucked something up
00:20 < feep> dav1d: do you know a quick way to consume a lot of cpu
00:21 < dav1d> feep: well: 10000000 = 1111111110000000
00:21 < dav1d> feep: while(true) {}
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00:21 < feep> fair nuff
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00:22 < dav1d> feep: btw encryption isn't a huge problem
00:22 < feep> ah, delicious warmth
00:23 < feep> dav1d: well yeah but I'm going for mineffort for the moment
00:23 < dav1d> feep: mineffort? (pun detected, parsing failed)
00:23 < feep> :p
00:24 < dav1d> there was an openssl example for serverside RSA AES shit
00:24 < dav1d> Fado_r should have it, if you need it
00:24 <+Fador> yeah
00:24 <+Fador> ;)
00:24 < dx> attempt to avoid ping failed
00:24 < dav1d> :(
00:24 < dav1d> I tried my best!
00:25 <+Fador> well it is already 1:24am here!
00:25 <+Fador> I should be sleeping
00:25 < dav1d> -1h here
00:25 < dx> +18h here
00:25  * dx ignores the fact that timezones don't work like that
00:25 < dav1d> zzz time
00:26 < dav1d> feep: you got your code on github?
00:26 < feep> owait this code is correct. I had byte kind; instead of ubyte kind;
00:26 < feep> >_<
00:26 < feep> dav1d: yup
00:26 < dx> Fador: i'd like to see the openssl encryption example
00:26 < dav1d> feep: https://github.com/FeepingCreature/autofab :D
00:26 < dav1d> feep: you play FTB?
00:26 < feep> dav1d: did for a while
00:26 < feep> stopped when I finished the autofab
00:27 < dx> lol
00:27 < dav1d> yeah got bored, too
00:27 < feep> (context: it's a computercraft bot that can run arbitrary industry tasks!)
00:27 < dav1d> feep: can't find your code on gh
00:27 < dav1d> is it in fcc o.O?
00:27 < feep> so you can do "give me five solar cells" and it does "you need resources a, b, c, d, e"
00:27 < feep> no
00:27 < feep> sec
00:27 < dx> i found computercraft turtles annoyingly limited
00:27 < dav1d> ^
00:27 < feep> dav1d: https://github.com/FeepingCreature/FeepcraftServ/
00:27 < dav1d> and the api is a pita
00:27 < feep> dx: yeah they are
00:27 < feep> indeed
00:27 < feep> I am limited to 14 items per chest
00:27 < dav1d> "Support 1.8"
00:27 < dav1d> :D
00:28 < dav1d> you're ahead of time
00:28 < feep> because I have to grab them all into my inventory, select the one I need
00:28 < feep> dav1d: sadly, it's the old 1.8
00:28 < dav1d> :)
00:28 < feep> then store them back
00:28 < dav1d> wow I hate github for not highlighting neat
00:28 < feep> something like 50% of the bot runtime is spent doing inventory management
00:28 < dx> "authored 2 years ago"
00:28 < feep> still, it's fun for automating boring production runs
00:28 < feep> it's even pretty smart
00:28 < feep> it'll try to interleave parallel tasks
00:29 < feep> you can give it more furnaces and it'll make parallel use of them
00:29 < dx> feep: :D
00:29 < dav1d> haha
00:29 < dav1d> autofapfap
00:29 < feep> of course, if you run 1000-step production plans there MAY be issues where computercraft spontaneously decides to kill it
00:29 < feep> fast server recommended
00:29 < dx> feep: if i ever decide to go back to ftb (my server is still there and my friends still bug me to play with them), i'll totally steal your inventory management code
00:29 < feep> dx: n__n
00:30 < feep> dx: share screens if it happens please!
00:30 < dx> feep: sure!
00:30 < dx> i don't even remember what plans i had with computercraft
00:30 < feep> anyway, changed type to ubyte, now it works again
00:31 < dx> feep: oh, how do you, uhm, get a decent editor for this code?
00:31 < feep> hm. I should fix the version number.
00:31 <+Fador> dx: https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/mineserver.cpp#L295 <- key generation
00:31 < feep> dx: any editor that speaks D
00:31 < feep> dx: just add .nt to the extensions
00:31 < feep> neat and D are very close in syntax.
00:31 < feep> dx: or do you mean the lua?
00:31 < dx> feep: i meant the computercraft lua :P
00:31 < feep> ah
00:31 < feep> I just edit it locally, then http load it over
00:32 < dx> oh i see, thanks
00:32 < feep> one of the scripts can do that
00:32 <+Fador> dx: https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/packets.cpp#L214 <- "secret" decryption
00:32 < feep> frun I think
00:32 < feep> (update url to match)
00:32 < dav1d> https://gist.github.com/Dav1dde/4298774 all I did in computercraft then I was so annoyed by the api
00:32 < feep> dav1d: yeah it's pretty annoying
00:32 < dx> having an http api that is so powerful and such limited turtle interaction is weird
00:32 < dx> Fador: thanks!
00:33 <+Fador> dx: https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/include/user.h#L109 <- cipher init
00:33 < feep> dav1d: basically
00:33 < feep> the turtle cannot recognize materials. at all.
00:33 < feep> it just goes off its known database of "chests and the things in them"
00:33 < feep> so you have to tell it what you're storing
00:33 < feep> from a fixed list
00:33 < dx> Fador: for a sec i thought you were going to link a preprocessor macro
00:33 <+Fador> dx: https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/sockets.cpp#L94 <- encryption and #L167 decryption
00:33 < feep> it does do sanity checking id comparisons.
00:33 <+Fador> dx ;)
00:33 < dav1d> feep: yeah it is dumb
00:33 < feep> dav1d: still good enough for automated fabrication though
00:34 < feep> dav1d: https://github.com/FeepingCreature/autofab/blob/master/recipes.txt
00:34 < dav1d> feep: there is a block which can detect the item, but it doesn't spit out the item id, but some totally reatarded number
00:34 < feep> (note: is gregtech)
00:34 < dav1d> feep: mindcrack pack?
00:34 < feep> dav1d: nah, ftb
00:34 < feep> dav1d: the point is
00:34 < dav1d> feep: there are different packs
00:34 < feep> if you use it on other computercraft systems
00:34 < dx> "ftb" isn't a valid pack name
00:34 < feep> adjust your recipes
00:35 < dav1d> feep: ftb mindcrack pack e.g.
00:35 < feep> dav1d: no, vanilla?
00:35 < dav1d> feep: there is no ftb pack
00:35 < dav1d> feep: ohhhh
00:35 < dx> vanilla ftb? :D
00:35 < feep> yes
00:35 < dav1d> yeah at the very beginning
00:35 < dav1d> feep: they changed that
00:35 < feep> dav1d: hey, aren't the recipe definitions neat?
00:35 < feep> ah
00:35 < dx> dav1d: oh i see
00:36 < dav1d> feep: I don't get them^^
00:36 < dx> when i started the closest to that was "FTB Beta A"
00:36 < dav1d> 121
00:36 < dav1d> 333
00:36 < dav1d> ...
00:36 < feep> dav1d: numbers indicate order in the list
00:36 < dav1d> wat?
00:36 < feep> it's like pnm
00:36 < dav1d> ah
00:36 < feep> dx: yeah :D
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00:36 < dav1d> yeah the beginning of FTB
00:37 < feep> so 1 is redstone torch, 2 is redstone, 3 is stone
00:37 < feep> . means "nothing"
00:38 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: I want neat macros in volt :P
00:38 < feep> nooooooooooo
00:38 < dav1d> https://github.com/FeepingCreature/fcc/blob/master/std/macros/swap.nt
00:38 < feep> bad idea! bad idea!!
00:38 < dav1d> I have no idea what they do, but they look fancy
00:38 < dav1d> feep: mh why?
00:38 < feep> dav1d: they are shit.
00:38 < dav1d> ok, I don't want them^^
00:38 < feep> dav1d: unrelatedly: hey look what I wrote yesterday~
00:38 < feep> https://github.com/FeepingCreature/fcc/blob/master/std/macros/where.nt
00:38 < feep> (also you should totally want macros in volt)
00:38 < feep> (just not NEAT macros)
00:38 < dav1d> but some kind of ast-manipulation would be cool
00:38 < feep> yus
00:39 < feep> I assure you it is really cool
00:39 < dav1d> feep: wow, I understand 0% of that! gj
00:39 < feep> dav1d: thank you :bows:
00:39 < feep> I did try.
00:39 < feep> dav1d: it does the cool thing where
00:39 < feep> .neatst void foo(int i) where i > 3 { } foo(0);
00:39 < feepbot> feep: [Current thread is 1 (process 16324)]\n#0  0xf77a9430 in ?? ()\nUnhandled error: 'Condition: UnrecoverableError: AssertError: Failed: at neatsrcmSsAwK.nt:1:174\ni > 3 was false (i = 0)'. \n
00:40 < feep> if you give it a more complex boolean expression it'll decompose it and tell you in detail which part failed and how
00:40 < dx> how am i supposed to get more informaton on this "neat" tool
00:40 < feep> it's basically a smart assert and man I am so offtopic.
00:40 < dav1d> that is cool
00:40 < dav1d> dx: you don't
00:40 < feep> dx: tl;dr it's my compiler :D 
00:40 < dx> i tried to search "neat d" and got results of "neat :D" and "neat =D"
00:40 < dav1d> haha
00:40 < feep> dx: you can check the wiki page on github! it has a bunch of docs.
00:40 < dav1d> feep: you have docs?
00:41 < feep> dav1d: I have docs.
00:41 < dav1d> wow :D
00:41 < feep> weird, I know.
00:41 < dx> you don't even have repo descriptions or readme files and you have wiki pages?
00:41 < feep> dx: https://github.com/FeepingCreature/fcc/wiki
00:41 < feep> dx: readme is kind of useless
00:41 < feep> dx: are you on windows or linux?
00:41 < dx> linux
00:41 < feep> okay, so you THEORETICALLY have a chance to build fcc but the process is really involved
00:41 < dx> haha
00:42 < feep> due to lack of backwards compatibility, neat only builds on a specific version of a specific D compiler linked to a specific major version of gcc
00:42 < dx> fun
00:42 < feep> all newer and older versions cause compiler crashes in the D compiler
00:42 < dav1d> feep: "D is Neat's big brother. In a sense, Neat is D1.5 + i." :)
00:42 < dav1d> Complex 1.5 D :D
00:42 < feep> dx: which is why I heartily recommend using one of my binary builds if you want to play with it
00:42 < feep> dx: or just use feepbot's .neat, .neatex, .neatst for easy experimentation
00:42 < feep> (works in privmsg too!)
00:42 < dx> dav1d: i was just about to quote that :D
00:43 < feep> .neatex 5
00:43 < feepbot> feep: 5\n
00:43 < dx> feep: sure, binary builds where?
00:43 < feep> dx: um
00:43 <+Prf_Jakob> dav1d: hehe
00:43 < feep> dx: give me a minute, I'll make one
00:43 < dx> feep: er actually
00:43 < feep> just have to run a script
00:43 < dx> uuhhm okay
00:43 < dx> feep: but i have no idea why i would need this :D
00:43 < feep> dx: you don't!
00:43 < dx> :D
00:43 < feep> dx: hey, are you using D?
00:44 < dav1d> feep: why does Standard Library documentation link to libgc?
00:44 < dx> feep: no :D
00:44 < feep> dx: aw.
00:44 < dav1d> feep: nvm
00:44 < feep> I would have said "neat is like D1 but with more gamedev and fun stuffs"
00:44 < dx> feep: should i? there's an interesting amount of people in this channel into that language
00:44 < feep> dx: hm. do you use C++1x?
00:44 < dx> (that amount is 3)
00:44 < feep> (4)
00:44 < dx> feep: no :D
00:44 < feep> dx: okay
00:44 < feep> do you use ANY modern language
00:44 < dav1d> feep: who is the 4th?
00:44 < feep> dav1d: hi
00:44 < dx> feep: no :D
00:44 < dav1d> feep: you Prf_Jakob and me
00:44 < feep> dx: :(
00:44 < feep> dav1d: oh. hm.
00:45 < feep> right. sorry.
00:45 < dav1d> :D
00:45 < dx> feep: well, python
00:45 < feep> can we count feepbot
00:45 < feep> dx: ooh. python~
00:45 < dav1d> yeah!
00:45 < feep> dx: D is like if C++ was more like python.
00:45 < dav1d> feepbot is our man
00:45 < dx> feep: I LIKE IT ALREADY
00:45 < feep> dx: INORITE
00:45 < feep> and Neat is like if D was more like Lisp.
00:45 < dx> feep: i also code C and think that C++ is not an improvement at all to the language
00:46 < feep> dx: well in that case you will be happy to know that D can bind natively to C libraries
00:46 < dx> feep: woo
00:46 < feep> (Neat can do it too, but better)
00:46 < feep> neat actually has a thing where you can import C headers as if they were neat modules.
00:46 < dav1d> feep: your code is great: `if (isWindoze()) output ~= ".exe";`
00:46 < feep> dav1d: :D
00:46 < dx> feep: wrapping them in some sort of namespace?
00:46 < feep> dx: yus, and an unrelated thing where you can treat any C library as if it was a proper written port using modes!
00:46 < dav1d> isWindoze, great
00:46 < feep> dav1d: ~
00:47 < feep> dx: like
00:47 < dx> dav1d: :D
00:47 < feep> "using mode GL { BindTexture(TEXTURE_2D, 0); }
00:47 < dav1d> ^ this is just awesome
00:47 < feep> actually, let me find my favorite example for this, the cairo demo
00:47 < dav1d> first time I saw it, GIVE ME NEAT
00:47 < dx> feep: i have no idea what that means :D
00:47 < feep> dx: do you know cairo?
00:47 < dx> yeah
00:47 < dx> i mean the "using mode GL" part
00:47 < feep> you'll understand in a minute
00:48 < dx> okay!
00:48 < dx> also, are we talking about neat or D?
00:48 < dav1d> dx: neat
00:48 < dx> dav1d: neat