22:18 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/4IHjhQ
22:18 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 99c5edb - Removed libjpeg62 as dependency (README)
22:18 < TkTech> GudangGaram: To defend it in court you must typically prove that you at least /attempted/ to protect your IP.
22:18 < dav1d> I hope I can update BraLa to 1.5 this weekend
22:19 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: if that was the case then GPL wouldn't be enforcable...
22:20 < GudangGaram> TkTech: that's what copyrights are for, and you're confusing it with trademarks. Then again, I'm not a lawyer, and unless you are, that line of discussion doesn't really go anywhere since we can both be wrong
22:21 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: The GPL is enforceable because you've explicitly accepted the licence by including it in your source tree/product.
22:21 < GudangGaram> um
22:21 < GudangGaram> how does an end user include the license? the developer does that
22:22 < TkTech> Whose talking about end users?
22:22 < GudangGaram> the GPL is enforcable because the license explicitly states what one can and cannot do with it, so the original *copyright* holder can sue people who breach the license
22:22 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/zr4GVw
22:22 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 2198a06 - update the README some more
22:22 < GudangGaram> Tktech: because otherwise your statement makes no sense at all; the GPL is enforcable because i include it in my product?
22:23 < GudangGaram> Wrong, the GPL is enforcable because the original copyright holder has explicitly stated (by way of said license) what you can and can't do with the product 
22:23 < GudangGaram> Don't make me go dig up a similar discussion on groklaw
22:23 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/Ep85kg
22:23 < Not-002> [BraLa] Dav1dde 50795b6 - update the README some more
22:23 < dav1d> sorry for the spam, I wanted to stop changing stuff alread 30mins ago
22:23 < TkTech> Actually, that makes perfect sense.
22:24 < dx> TkTech: the fact that there's "copyright" gives you "rights" and you can always defend it by court, i don't see how you have to "attempt to protect it" by any other methods
22:24 < GudangGaram> the only reason I see for anyone obfuscating their code is to hide how horrid it is
22:25 < GudangGaram> but that applies mostly to the ionCubed PHP scripts you find everywhere
22:26 < TkTech> dx: Is it my terminology that's confusing you? I can't see where I mentioned copyright anywhere.
22:26 < dx> haha what php scripts out of nowhere
22:26 < TkTech> (Side point, not all countries are America.)
22:26  * dx is not american either
22:27 < TkTech> Okay, lets try this again.
22:27 < dx> TkTech: copyright law is international though, and i have no idea what else applies here
22:27 < TkTech> Lets say Mojang comes up with a novel method to light the world.
22:27 < TkTech> This is nothing more than a fancy loop and a bunch of ifs.
22:27 < TkTech> They've included it in minecraft.jar and distributed it, unobfuscated.
22:28 <+Prf_Jakob> they have a year after first publication to patent it.
22:28 < TkTech> Bob opens it up, sees this one novel loop, and uses it in his own implementation.
22:29 < dx> if he copies it directly, copyright applies. if he reimplements the idea, patents should apply (for countries that allow software patents...)
22:30 < GudangGaram> clean room implementations are valid everywhere by the way
22:30 < GudangGaram> TkTech, and if it was a totally novel and revolutionary idea, there should be a patent (even though software patents suck ass), and at the very least there is copyright to stop a 1:1 copy 
22:31 < GudangGaram> for example take Samba - they reverse engineered the protocol, then wrote their own implementation from scratch. Microsoft couldn't touch them because no copying took place
22:32 < TkTech> One minute, office is doing a dinner
22:32 < GudangGaram> plus, here's a fun one
22:33 < GudangGaram> a copy of the obfuscated code is *included* in the CraftBukkit repository, and CraftBukkit itself is licensed LGPL
22:33 < dx> shhhhh
22:33 < dx> we don't talk about that
22:33 < GudangGaram> so if Mojang was interested in protecting their IP, that's not the way to go about it
22:33 < GudangGaram> dx: well, I do
22:33 < dx> i'm kidding. bukkit's licensing could be considered an elephant in the room
22:34 < dx> depending on how you look at it
22:34 <+SpaceManiac> I need to reread the GPL and LGPL
22:37 < GudangGaram> plus if you know where to look there's plenty copies of the unobfuscated source floating around out there 
22:38 < dx> but anyway in an alternate reality branched from this one EA could buy mojang and decide to sue every single modder, just because
22:38 < GudangGaram> yup
22:38 < GudangGaram> then again in an alternate reality we could all be Notch >.>
22:38 < dx> lol
22:39 < GudangGaram> heck if I lose any more hair I'm gonna look like him :/ 
22:39 < Yoshi2> in alternate realities a lot of weird stuff is possible
22:40 < dx> that was just another way of saying "mojang could just sue everyone if they had a reason to"
22:40 < GudangGaram> I missed this channel really
22:40 < GudangGaram> it can go from a discussion on obfuscation to copyrights to the GPL right into alternate reality 
22:40 < dx> :D
22:40 < Yoshi2> indeed
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22:42 < GudangGaram>  hm
22:42 < GudangGaram> 3:40am
22:43 < GudangGaram> something tells me i should be sleeping
22:44 < Yoshi2> 10:43pm here, I should probably go to bed as well
22:44 < dx> 3:40am is when i usually wake up
22:44 < dx> where "usually" means "the last two or three days by some weird coincidence"
22:45 <+pdelvo> @dav1d have you tried brala with bukkit?
22:46 < dav1d> pdelvo: yeah, it used to work
22:46 <+pdelvo> Im trying it out on windows and I only got a bukkit 1.4.7 here so I test it with it. I have chunks which do not load
22:46 < dav1d> I could even connect to shadowempire servers
22:46 < dav1d> (which have a few plugins)
22:47 < dav1d> pdelvo: that probably means I messed up in the rendering code :(
22:47 <+pdelvo> I can see them if I reconnect
22:47 < dav1d> pdelvo: if you move, do new chunks appear?
22:47 <+pdelvo> btw nice work!
22:47 < dav1d> thanks :)
22:47 <+pdelvo> is there a key I can press to fly faster?
22:48 < dav1d> if new chunks appear the tessellation threads at leasnt dont crash
22:48 < dav1d> pdelvo: no :(
22:48 < dav1d> but if you wanna modify the source
22:48 <+pdelvo> I really need this :D
22:48 < dx> "need"?
22:48 < dav1d> pdelvo: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/entities/player.d#L42
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22:49 <+pdelvo> If i want to see if chunks load or not I dont want to fly 60min :D
22:49 < dav1d> :D
22:49 < dx> oh heh
22:49 < dav1d> just dont make it too fast, at least in older versions I was kicked for beeing to fast
22:50 < dx> yeah, i had to disable that kick in my server with a plugin
22:51 < dav1d> but having these things adjustable is part of work I wanted to do a long time ago^^
22:51 < dav1d> part if it was also adding physics
22:51 < dx> "physics"
22:51 < dav1d> haha
22:52 < dx> but yeah the part of the job the client has to do with that is kinda interesting
22:52 < dav1d> and badly documentated
22:52 < dx> it fooled me completely when i tested bravo and saw item drops moving, but the server didn't know they moved
22:52 < dav1d> as in, no one has ever done it and wrote it down somewhere
22:53 < dx> fun! :D
22:53 < dav1d> (there is that js bot which has physics, but meh, dat code)
22:53 < dav1d> also no AABB for objects
22:53 <+pdelvo> http://pdelvo.de/brala.bmp
22:53 <+pdelvo> chunks do not load
22:53 < dav1d> uh
22:53 < dx> good ol' bmp loading from bottom to top
22:53 < dav1d> dammit
22:53 <+pdelvo> even if I go further
22:53 <+pdelvo> :D
22:53 < dav1d> man I hate D
22:54 < dx> :D
22:54 < dav1d> tessellation crashes on a single chunk
22:54 < dx> is it D's fault?
22:54 < dav1d> the threads, I messed up somewhere e.g. a block id is too big
22:54 < dav1d> dx: no but the thread implementation doesn't print exceptions
22:54 <+Prf_Jakob> gooooood gooood let the hate flow through you...
22:54 <+pdelvo> I can try regenerate the world if this helps
22:54 < dx> Prf_Jakob: hahaha
22:54 < dav1d> and my pseudo threading class somehow doesn't print them either
22:55 < dav1d> pdelvo: could you try with vanilla just to make sure?
22:55 < dav1d> also do you see in the logs if 441 chunks arrive 
22:55 <+pdelvo> I would if I would have a vanilla server here
22:55 < dav1d> sec I'll upload it
22:57 < dav1d> pdelvo: http://s.dav1d.de/minecraft_server.jar
22:57 < dx> piracy!
22:57 < dav1d> but this looks like it crashes somewhere
22:57 < dav1d> dammit
22:57 < dav1d> pdelvo: is this a newly generated world?
22:57 < dx> (actually this particular jar can be downloaded by anyone on minecraft.net, don't see why you needed to upload it)
22:57 < dav1d> Prf_Jakob: lol
22:58 < dav1d> dx: it's 1.4.7
22:58 < dx> dav1d: oh.
22:58 < dav1d> mojang doesn't host old versions
22:58 < dx> pretty sure they do on AWS
22:58 < dav1d> pdelvo: btw you can change the window dimensions, in res/brala.conf or through commandline
22:59 <+pdelvo> can i turn of vsync?
22:59 < dav1d> pdelvo: nvidia?
22:59 < dx> oh not AWS, assets
22:59 < dx> this still works :D http://assets.minecraft.net/1_2_5/minecraft_server.jar
22:59 < dx> and http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft_server.jar
22:59 <+pdelvo> jeah. okay i turn it of in the driver
23:00 < dav1d> pdelvo: yeah it's strange
23:00 < dav1d> I have to turn it on and then off again in the driver
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23:00 < dav1d> even though I disabled it with glfw
23:00 < dav1d> btw
23:00 < dav1d> window.width and window.height are the config options
23:00 < TRocket> is anyone working on a c/++ based client
23:01 <+pdelvo> hm the chunks dont load too in a new generated vanilla world
23:01 < dav1d> you can also make it resizeable with: window.resizeable = true
23:01 < dav1d> dammit
23:01 < dav1d> pdelvo: can I download your world?
23:01 < dexter0> TRocket: AnotherOne is iirc
23:01 < dav1d> then my tessellator crashes
23:01 < dav1d> and it stops making triangles out of blocks
23:02 < dav1d> mh, did I remove the no threads feauture...
23:02 < dav1d> I wonder
23:02 < dav1d> pdelvo: awesome, you're compiling brala on windows?
23:02 < TRocket> dexter0: thanks
23:02 < dav1d> or linux?
23:02 <+pdelvo> jep
23:02 < dav1d> windows ok
23:02 <+pdelvo> windows
23:02 < dav1d> open build_brala.d
23:02 <+pdelvo> http://pdelvo.de/world.7z
23:03 < dav1d> pdelvo: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/build_brala.d#L474
23:03 < dav1d> add to this line
23:03 < dav1d> dc.version_("NoThreads")
23:03 < dav1d> this should make brala crash instead of silently failing
23:03 < dav1d> ty
23:04 < dav1d> I hope this nothreads thing works ...
23:04 < dav1d> it doesn't look like it xD
23:04 < dav1d> oh it should
23:04 < dx> are you getting debug output directly from him or what? :D
23:04 <+pdelvo> it is silent as the previous one
23:05 <+pdelvo> I hope not o_O
23:05 < dav1d> mh
23:05 < dav1d> pdelvo: you see debugging shit in your console?
23:05 < dx> if you don't see debugging shit in your console, dav1d might be seeing it in his
23:05 < dav1d> haha
23:05 <+pdelvo> :D
23:06 < dav1d> I think I configured to log to a file
23:06 <+pdelvo> wow the performance is great. ~600fps
23:06 <+pdelvo> you dont need a configuration for that
23:06 < dav1d> yay
23:07 < dav1d> well with only these few chunks
23:07 < dav1d> but more shouldn't make a too huge difference (except jungles)
23:07 <+pdelvo> http://pdelvo.de/log.log
23:07 <+pdelvo> hm
23:07 < dav1d> pdelvo: 404
23:07 <+pdelvo> http://pdelvo.de/log.txt
23:08 <+pdelvo> :D
23:08 < dx> configured to log to a file named "ftp://dav1d.org/pdelvo.log"
23:08 < dx> okay i'll stop
23:08 < dav1d> dx: *dav1d.de
23:08 < dx> dav1d: i just made that up :D
23:08 < dav1d> pdelvo: that was with threads?
23:08 < dx> >You don't have permission to access / on this server
23:08 < dx> :(
23:08 <+pdelvo> nothread
23:09 < dav1d> and you were moving, it looks like
23:09 <+pdelvo> there is nothing too interesting on this domain
23:09 <+pdelvo> yes I am
23:09 < dx> http://dav1d.de/ -> 403, http://www.dav1d.de/ -> 404
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23:09 < dav1d> World: INFO: Thread "BraLa Tessellation Thread 1/3" already terminated
23:09 < dav1d> this is a bad sign
23:09 < dav1d> at least the first shouldn't be done by this time
23:10 < dav1d> pdelvo: thanks I'll look into it!
23:10 < dav1d> thanks for testing, too :)
23:10 <+pdelvo> no problem!
23:10 < dav1d> dx: yeah :P
23:10 < dav1d> wanna know why?
23:10 < dav1d> pdelvo: was it hard to setup?
23:10 < dav1d> (I mean compile it)
23:10 < dav1d> *compiling
23:10 <+pdelvo> installing the compiler and running some command line
23:10 <+pdelvo> not really
23:11 <+pdelvo> very easy (for me), but not for a normal user
23:11 < dav1d> dx: http://sprunge.us/DZLe :P
23:11 < dx> dav1d: looks like you have dynamic hosts at *.dav1d.de and the default host in dav1d.de, the dynamic ones don't exist at all and the default one is an empty dir
23:12 < dx> hah
23:12 < dx> bingo?
23:12 < dav1d> pdelvo: I was really trying to simplify everything, maybe I should have binary releases
23:12 < dav1d> dx: the subdomain is automatically rewritten as a static path/subdomain if that folder not exists, 404
23:13 <+pdelvo> to bring it to more people you should.
23:13 < dav1d> If I could only setup a crosscompiler :(
23:13 < dx> dav1d: is this the whole thing?
23:13 < dav1d> then I could automate that
23:13 < dav1d> dx: yes
23:13 < dav1d> nginx is so lovely
23:13 < dx> dav1d: indeed
23:14 < dav1d> wait
23:14 < dav1d> this looks broken
23:14 < dav1d> yeah
23:14 < dav1d> my shell subistuted it
23:14 < dav1d> root /home/dav1d/http/$subdomain/;
23:14 < dav1d> dx: ^
23:15 <+pdelvo> the microsoft version of vhosts are cool to. http://pdelvo.de/ is hosted in iis, http://wiki.pdelvo.de/ is hosted in a application Ive written, and both are sharing the socket
23:15 < dx> dav1d: oooh that makes more sense
23:15 < dav1d> pdelvo: btw. is this location which crashes at spawn?
23:15 < dav1d> pdelvo: this wiki looks fucking good!
23:16 <+pdelvo> it feels like it renders the first packet of chunks, then it crashes somehow and dont render them any longer
23:16 <+pdelvo> thanks :D
23:16 < dav1d> pdelvo: scrollspy!
23:16 < dav1d> for the packet list on the left
23:16 <+pdelvo> it has a diff view in it! :D http://wiki.pdelvo.de/Protocol@master...pre
23:16 < dav1d> pdelvo: http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/javascript.html#scrollspy
23:17 < dav1d> that's cool
23:17 <+pdelvo> I see
23:17 < dav1d> well like the bootstrap site I linked has the menu on the left
23:18 < dav1d> while you scroll the acitive point are highlighted
23:18 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 3 commits to refactoring [+417/-417/±28] http://git.io/JTLXDQ
23:18 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn d59e9ad - Moving data types around
23:18 < dav1d> s/are/is/
23:18 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 2b564c5 - Move Craft.Net.Data and switch to fNbt fork
23:18 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn d1b3a7c - Moved data types into Craft.Net.Data, fixed build errors in Craft.Net.World
23:18 <+pdelvo> You can send me a pull request if you want :D https://github.com/pdelvo/McDevsWiki/tree/template
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23:20 < dav1d> maybe :P
23:21 <+pdelvo> I should continue working on that. I stoped when I could not find a good looking way to do a version list for a file. looked like crap
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23:24 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+10/-389/±6] http://git.io/pWX_OA
23:24 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7efff97 - Rename Craft.Net -> Craft.Net.Networking
23:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±11] http://git.io/T0M36w
23:26 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 62d5cba - Added temporary reduced build configuration for easier development
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23:35 < AnotherOne> hey people
23:35 < AnotherOne> do you know a dupe using hopper?
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23:36 < AnotherOne> damnit, on a pirated server i've just hacked two people
23:36 < AnotherOne> just writing /login his_private_region_name
23:37 <+Prf_Jakob> griefing and pirating is not welcome here, and exploits is only to be discussed as a means to developing fixes for them.
23:38 < dx> i was just reading the channel rules again to read what it said about exploits
23:39 < dx> but lol typing /login and guessing a password isn't an exploit (still covered by griefing)
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23:43 < AnotherOne> damnit, Prf_Jakob. griefing is what minecraft is created for
23:44 < AnotherOne> fighting the system. finding holes in security
23:44 < AnotherOne> much more fun than building dirt-boxes
23:45 < dx> if you're joking, make it clear and explicit
23:45 < AnotherOne> yes and no, actually
23:45 < AnotherOne> this game taught me to think like security auditor
23:45 < dx> it seriously gets hard to assume good faith if you're just saying directly that minecraft is meant for griefing
23:46 < |Blaze|> All of those things can be done against your own local client connected to a server withouth interupting other players
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23:50 < AnotherOne> i think griefing persons who are stupid enough not to protect their houses is ok
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00:05 < AnotherOne> am i not banned yet?:)
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00:06 < dav1d> pdelvo: [23:07:01.087] Engine: INFO: Frame-Time: 0.248539 ms
00:06 < dav1d> holy fuck
00:07 < dav1d> ah wait
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00:07 < dav1d> that was during freeing
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00:45 < AnotherOne> hey dav1d
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03:32 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r1997 2 files : Added a toolstrip bar to "Generate" tab in AddWorldPopup for managing presets.
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03:44 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r1998 13 files : Moved all icons and images in ConfigGUI to a separate folder (Resources). Added icons for preset buttons.
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03:49 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r1999 2 files : Added a fallback nullity check to World.LoadMap in case of MapGenerator failure.
03:52 < TkTech> Matvei: Do you happen to still have the patches that mutilate your generate for infinite terrain?
03:52 <+Matvei> I do not
03:53 <+Matvei> I dont remember who made them
03:54 < TkTech> So much is lost to the wheels of time ;-(
03:55 <+Matvei> I've spent the last few days rewriting fCraft's map generation to be more modular
03:55 <+Matvei> I've got 4 modules (Flat, Realistic, Vanilla, Floating Islands) and an easy way to make more
03:56 <+Matvei> "Vanilla" produces 1:1 replica of Notch's original classic gen, which I've reverse engineered a while ago
03:56 <+Matvei> :D
03:57 < TkTech> I remember that, I think. I need my brain checked.
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04:15 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2000 11 files : Implemented "Save Preset" in AddWorldPopup, and tweaked IMapGenerator/IMapGeneratorParameter interfaces.
04:15 <+Matvei> Woohoo r2000. Party time.
04:15 < TkTech> Isn't that r9001?
04:16 <+Matvei> Well technically it's r2182 or something like that. I accidentally destroyed the old repo when I moved from SourceForce to MCCoalition, years ago.
04:17 < TkTech> I like to pretend those dark days didn't exist.
04:18 <+Matvei> I'm still pretty much in those days :p
04:20 < TkTech> Good point.
04:20 < TkTech> At Least It's Not CVS™
04:20 <+Matvei> heh heh
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04:35 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 3 commits to refactoring [+15/-1/±30] http://git.io/hEbbsQ
04:35 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn df965e3 - Fleshed out Section, adds support for Add array
04:35 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn de1baa6 - Added entity serialization to chunks
04:35 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 9d790f1 - Got Craft.Net.World working correctly
04:38 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+141/-138/±2] http://git.io/bW7M8A
04:38 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 0b32dee - Moved projects into subfolder
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05:08 <+Matvei> SirCmpwn is still banished, eh
05:08 <+Matvei> Alas
05:12 < Seegee> He told me he was banned over "silliness" xD
05:14 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2001 2 files : Restored statusStrip items in AddWorldPopup, which somehow got hidden by VS' designer.
05:15 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±8] http://git.io/1Zmo9w
05:15 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7e81bae - Fixed bugs preventing Minecraft from loading Craft.Net.World worlds
05:15 <+Matvei> heh you could say that
05:19 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/mtQWBA
05:19 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn ca3b2fc - Fixed Level.Load
05:20 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/cWmGAA
05:20 < Not-002> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 659e4f5 - Update fNbt reference
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06:44 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2002 3 files : "Load Preset" button now fully functional in AddWorldPopup. Started on "Import Settings".
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07:15 < DemoXin> Could someone point me to where I can learn about how command blocks and chests and such are saved in the anvil format?
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07:29 <+pdelvo> these are tile entities
07:30 <+pdelvo> minecraft saves nbt data for each chunk column. http://wiki.vg/Map_Format#.5Bregion.5D.mca
07:30 <+pdelvo> there is a NBTList(TileEntities) where the tile entities are stored in
07:31 <+pdelvo> there is a list with tile entities and their properties: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Alpha_Level_Format/Chunk_File_Format#Tile_Entity_Format
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07:38 < GreaseMonkey> quick q to jog my memory, suppose i have a C array called map[][][], which order would x,y,z go into [][][] for a minecraft CLASSIC map?
07:38 < GreaseMonkey> iirc y is up
07:39 < SinZ> Classic, aye..
07:39 < GreaseMonkey> ah fuck it i'll check the source for lc09
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07:40 < GreaseMonkey> ...which appears to use Z as up for some reason
07:40 < GreaseMonkey> what was i thinking
07:40 < GreaseMonkey> but yeah it appears to be map[y][z][x].
07:41 < SinZ> it doesn't really matter
07:41 < SinZ> as long as its same for reading and writing
07:41 < SinZ> and y is first as y is almost always smaller
07:42 <+AndrewPH> technically speaking it's arbitrary. they could be named a q t
07:42 <+AndrewPH> which would accurately describe u
07:42 < GreaseMonkey> a q t
07:42 < GreaseMonkey> i see what u did there
07:42 <+AndrewPH> <3
07:42 < GreaseMonkey> <3
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07:42 < GreaseMonkey> anyhow, coding this shit in erlang after giving up trying to port enet to erlang
07:43 < GreaseMonkey> but yeah, i'm the guy who released a free open source server and RAGEQUIT due to an instance of notch's trolling before custom servers were cool
07:43 <+AndrewPH> yep
07:43 <+AndrewPH> and the guy who is involved with, what was it, iceball?
07:43 <+AndrewPH> and 64px of course
07:43 < GreaseMonkey> yewah
07:43 < GreaseMonkey> i think by the time i came back... well, my server was so damn unknown that...
07:44 < GreaseMonkey> my server was called luacraft (i now refer to it as luacraft '09)
07:44 < GreaseMonkey> when i came back some other guys made a server called "luacraft"
07:44 < GreaseMonkey> ...after a kinda weird conversation i eventually got their code to kinda work on linux
07:44 < GreaseMonkey> but yeah, the APIs are very very different conceptually
07:45 < GreaseMonkey> tbqh, lc09 is really, really incomplete in the lua department
07:46 <+AndrewPH> yep
07:46 < AnotherOne> morning everyone
07:46 <+pdelvo> hi
07:46 <+AndrewPH> good morning
07:46 < GreaseMonkey> libv01 does have a luaside .dat map loader... oh by the way, fuck java serialised classes, just fuck that shit
07:46 < GreaseMonkey> 'lo
07:46 <+AndrewPH> right, I should go grab some jello and get my mythology presentation done
07:46 <+AndrewPH> or I could read hunger games
07:46 <+AndrewPH> hmm.
07:47 <+pdelvo> I could go back to sleep
07:48 < GreaseMonkey> and here i am, using an array:new() instead of a binary for the map data. go me.
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07:51 <+AndrewPH> so, how was everybody's day?
07:56 < dexter0> almost over :P
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08:13 <+SpaceManiac> Eyyy, I remember luacraft
08:13 <+SpaceManiac> fun stuff
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09:15 < Grum> GreaseMonkey: wait what notch trolled you? :D
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09:21 < luntik13> java sucks
09:22 < luntik13> my friend is in prison now because of it
09:22 < luntik13> don't use it, people
09:25 < jast> welcome back, person of many nicks
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09:31 < luntik13> jast: who are you?
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10:14  * dx reads up
10:14 < dx> oh damn Matvei == fragmer. i wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for the comment on the commit log
10:15 < shoghicp> Anyone here has a Raspberry Pi?
10:16 < shoghicp> I would like to test some PHP binaries for PocketMine
10:17 < dx> shoghicp: i've got arch linux arm on my android (cortex a8 armv7), good enough?
10:18 < jast> I have an RPi, but it's not here
10:21 < shoghicp> dx: oh, you can test the Android binary itself
10:21 < shoghicp> https://sourceforge.net/projects/pocketmine/files/builds/
10:21 < dx> shoghicp: android binary? my condolences. life is much less painful with a sane libc
10:22 < shoghicp> dx: Tell that to Brandon15811 ;)
10:22 < shoghicp> I compiled the RPi one, it's pretty optimized
10:22 < shoghicp> the Android ine is generic
10:23 < dx> shoghicp: optimized against what, may i ask?
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10:23 < shoghicp> RPi proccessor + gcc optimizations
10:23 < shoghicp> Android one*
10:24 < dx> oh so ARMv6
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10:25 < shoghicp> dx: -O3 -march=armv6zk -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s -mtune=arm1176jzf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard
10:25 < dx> shoghicp: fun
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10:25 < dx> shoghicp: did you benchmark if it's worth it?
10:25 < shoghicp> yes
10:26 < shoghicp> startup (with map generation), from 160 seconds to 40
10:26 < dx> neat!
10:26 < shoghicp> gameplay without lag anymore
10:26 < jast> that's... quite a bit
10:27 < shoghicp> jast: and that was the optimized to RPi-like devices
10:27 < shoghicp> this one is even more specific ;)
10:27 < dx> i'm starting to think i should have just used gentoo in my android
10:28 < dx> just kidding i've tried to compile large packages like xorg and it takes hours while my pc does it in 10 mins.
10:28 < shoghicp> The RPi compiles everything needed for PocketMine in half an hour ;)
10:29 < shoghicp> but it does it silently, without overheating, 3.5W
10:29 < dx> heh
10:30 < dx> i'm definitely going to consider adding more CFLAGS for the stuff i compile in the future, though
10:31 < dx> shoghicp: anyway how do i test this? run php, figure out where pocketmine is, run pocketmine with it?
10:31 < shoghicp> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1824584-pocketmine-mp-for-mobile-android-raspberry-pi-php-pre-compiled-binaries/
10:32 < shoghicp> you've to place it inside the pocketmine folder
10:32 < shoghicp> so: PocketMine_Folder/bin/php
10:32 < shoghicp> then, you should run it with "bin/php PocketMine-MP.php"
10:32 < shoghicp> being in that dir
10:33 < dx> gotcha
10:33 < shoghicp> (knowing the startup time the first time is the only thing that I need)
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10:46 < dx> shoghicp: errr what is the last message that indicates that it's done?
10:47 < dx> using Alpha_1.3.1dev
10:48 < shoghicp> It's like Bukkit
10:48 < shoghicp> (08:48:09 [INFO] Done (26.316s)! For help, type "help" or "?")
10:48 < dx> gotcha
10:50 < shoghicp> the world generation on mobile devices takes a lot
10:50 < shoghicp> specially the level population
10:50 < dx> "generating level" is absurdly fast (two seconds) and "populating level" has been stuck for four minutes already
10:50 < shoghicp> I've to improve it xD
10:50 < shoghicp> but, since I'm going to rewrite that part
10:50 < shoghicp> to a Normal generator
10:51 < dx> "absurdly" because it does have a progress indicator and seems to be the part that doesn't need it
10:51 < shoghicp> I can't measure that because it's a Random proccess
10:51 < dx> 08:51:50 [INFO] Done (350.926s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
10:51 < shoghicp> yay :D
10:51 < dx> at least it works
10:51 < shoghicp> now, do "stop"
10:51 < shoghicp> and start it again
10:51 < shoghicp> it should be pretty fast
10:51 < dx> *should*
10:52 < nastyCreeper> what are you talking about
10:52 < shoghicp> nastyCreeper: PocketMine-MP pre-compiled PHP binaries for Android
10:52 < dx> "internal ticker calculation" = not trusting the OS clock? :D
10:52 < shoghicp> dx: that is for the event system
10:52 < shoghicp> it calculates how many PHP ticks should pass before ticking the ticker xD
10:53 < dx> php ticks... i don't like how that sounds
10:53 < shoghicp> so faster devices behaves better
10:53 < shoghicp> and older computers runs faster
10:53 < shoghicp> run*
10:54 < dx> 08:52:28 [INFO] Starting internal ticker calculation
10:54 < dx> 08:54:23 [INFO] Default game type: SURVIVAL
10:54 < dx> 08:54:23 [INFO] Done (118.234s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
10:54 < dx> the previous time took 8 seconds
10:54 < shoghicp> omg
10:54 < shoghicp> that is pretty slow
10:55 < shoghicp> I should check that part
10:55 < dx> 08:55:35 [INFO] Done (14.171s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
10:55 < shoghicp> On a computer, without the tick calculation, it takes 0.5 seconds
10:55 < dx> shoghicp: is this a normal php binary, or compiled with extra modules?
10:56 < shoghicp> dx: compiled with the minimal amount of modules required
10:56 < shoghicp> besides PHP internal ones
10:56 < dx> shoghicp: i'll try the worldgen step with the arch linux armv7 binary then
10:57 < shoghicp> It has cURL, pthreads, libevent (on specific devices), zlib
10:57 < shoghicp> dx: https://github.com/PocketMine/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/src/build/compile.sh
10:57 < shoghicp> example: march=armv6zk mcpu=arm1176jzf-s mtune=arm1176jzf-s mfpu=vfp CFLAGS="-mfloat-abi=hard" ./src/build/compile.sh
10:58 < shoghicp> there are a few env. variables that can be passed
10:58 < dx> that could work too! i'll test that after the semi-generic armv7
10:59 < dx> also note that android is awful and some shit happens in background even when the screen is off
10:59 < shoghicp> also, you can pass the THREADS env. var to set compile threads
11:00 < dx> if you want a slightly more scientific benchmark i can kill zygote (the service that spawns the android OS) and test without it
11:00 < shoghicp> don't worry ;)
11:00 < shoghicp> users aren't going to do that
11:00 < dx> it does help testing optimization differences
11:01 < shoghicp> if there is something in that, you'll note it on the world generation step
11:01 < dx> ...why is the next step slow, then?
11:01 < shoghicp> that is the level population (part of level generation)
11:03 < dx> but is the length of that step "fixed"?
11:03 < shoghicp> no
11:03 < shoghicp> it is semi-fixed
11:04 < shoghicp> the length of that step depends on the seed
11:04 < dx> oh
11:04 < dx> can i pass a seed as parameter somehow, then?
11:04 < shoghicp> in a modern computer, it takes from 3 seconds to 8 seconds
11:04 < shoghicp> dx: you can specify it on the server.properties
11:04 < shoghicp> set seed 0
11:04 < dx> awesome.
11:05 < shoghicp> Oh, just fixed the compile line for the RPi
11:05 < shoghicp> march=armv6zk mcpu=arm1176jzf-s mtune=arm1176jzf-s CFLAGS="-mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=vfp" ./src/build/compile.sh
11:06 < shoghicp> dx: anyways, that is a generic build, so multiple devices can run it
11:07 < shoghicp> so having a device-specific binary for Android is not a goal
11:07 < shoghicp> because... Android build proccess
11:07 < dx> yeah
11:07 < dx> still curious
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11:11 < shoghicp> dx: the compilation proccess takes about 5 minutes in a pretty good server, only using one thread
11:11 < shoghicp> *useful info*
11:12 < dx> "pretty good server"
11:12 < dx> i have a cross compilation toolkit... that i used for my kernel. no idea if it links against bionic properly.
11:13 < shoghicp> oh, you'll get some weird errors during cross compilation
11:13 < dx> hm?
11:13 < shoghicp> PHP disables pthreads
11:13 < dx> fun
11:13 < shoghicp> so you've to edit the configure script
11:14 < shoghicp> if you want to continue, check in PHP's configure (after buildconf) for "pthreads_working=no"
11:15 < shoghicp> also, you can do tail -f install.log to check... logs
11:15 < dx> how unexpected
11:16 < shoghicp> *[New Ticket] Hey! the compilation failed. [/End]*
11:16 < shoghicp> no logs
11:16 < shoghicp> no info
11:16 < shoghicp> xD
11:17 < dx> futari / # stop zygote
11:17 < dx> rip.
11:17 < dx> looks like a dead phone, i think i can't even use the power button, but i'm still connected
11:18 < dx> also +150mb of ram more than usual
11:18 < shoghicp> woo
11:20 < shoghicp> dx: thanks for everything ;)
11:21 < dx> shoghicp: i'm not doing this for you, i'm doing this to reassure myself that my phone doesn't suck as much as the raspberry pi
11:21 < dx> (just kidding it's for both things)
11:21 < dx> 09:21:28 [INFO] Done (124.113s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
11:21 < shoghicp> :D
11:21 < dx> first worldgen with generic php binary, seed=0
11:22 < dx> 09:23:14 [INFO] Done (7.027s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
11:22 < dx> second startup of same server
11:23 < Calinou> dat erlang server
11:23 < dx> Calinou: lol?
11:23 < Calinou> errrrrlang
11:24 < dx> i don't know if you're implying anything but i don't like it
11:24 < nastyCreeper> why do you develop a server in erlang dx?
11:24 < dx> what
11:24 < nastyCreeper> [**:23] <Calinou> dat erlang server
11:25 < dx> lol censored timestamp.
11:25 < nastyCreeper> hm, strange
11:25 < nastyCreeper> it copies it to clipboard that way
11:25 < dx> maybe it's your password
11:25 < dx> it happens to mine too, hunter2
11:25 < nastyCreeper> lol
11:25 < dx> everybody tells me that shows up as ******
11:26 < jast> it does show up as *******
11:26 < dx> anyway
11:26 < shoghicp> dx: uh, good load times :D
11:27 < nastyCreeper> do you actually generate the whole world at once?
11:27 < dx> nastyCreeper: 1. i don't develop a server in erlang, 2. the only guy who develops a server in erlang here isn't around ATM. 3. i have no idea why Calinou said that
11:27 < nastyCreeper> dx: can you prove you don't develop in erlang somehow?
11:27 < nastyCreeper> anybody can say that
11:27 < dx> ..
11:28 < dx> i have to prove that i don't write code in a language that i haven't even bothered finishing the tutorial
11:28 < dx> got it
11:28 < shoghicp> nastyCreeper: the world is generated all at once, because the world is 256x128x256
11:28 < nastyCreeper> bringing another unproven statement ("i haven't even bothered finishing the tutorial") is not a proof
11:29 < nastyCreeper> shoghicp: oh god, why?
11:29 < shoghicp> but I've to improve the tallgrass populating algorithm xD
11:29 < dx> nastyCreeper: pocket minecraft
11:29 < shoghicp> nastyCreeper: Minecraft PE
11:29 < nastyCreeper> is it protocol limitation?
11:29 < shoghicp> yes
11:29 < nastyCreeper> =[
11:29 < shoghicp> but the server allows maps up to 512x256x512
11:29 < nastyCreeper> why not just implement normal minecraft for android?
11:29 < SinZ> because then there will be no clients for it
11:30 < nastyCreeper> why?
11:30 < dx> i could create a 512mb swap partition, install java, render minecraft with dri_swrast
11:31 < dx> (llvmpipe, the fastest software renderer, doesn't even work on ARM yet)
11:31 < SinZ> writing a pocket edition server, and using normal minecraft kinda ruins the purpose, as no android devices could connect
11:31 < dx> should i do it y/n?
11:31 < nastyCreeper> dx: n
11:31 < nastyCreeper> use good language
11:31 < dx> nastyCreeper: no_fun
11:31 < shoghicp> dx: n
11:31 < shoghicp> xD
11:31 < dx> shoghicp: no_fun
11:31 < nastyCreeper> dx: "why not just implement normal minecraft for android?" != "why not just implement java minecraft for android?"
11:31 < SinZ> Write it in brainfuck, that'll be fun
11:32 < dx> nastyCreeper: dude we told you that you're supposed to hide the fact that you're pbunny, and i'm not going to "use" java, i'm going to use the existing java client because it's the only one that is complete and stable
11:32 < nastyCreeper> dx: i'm not pbunny, but it isn't wise to code minecraft client for android in java
11:32 < dx> what part of "i'm going to use the existing java client" isn't clear
11:32 < nastyCreeper> dx: well i advised to "implement" a client, which means - develop it
11:32 < nastyCreeper> not use existing one
11:33 < nastyCreeper> dx: you can't just use existing pc minecraft client on android
11:33 < dx> by the way, did you know that all android userspace applications except a few daemons are written in java?
11:33 < nastyCreeper> dx: but java isn't requirement there
11:33 < shoghicp> nastyCreeper: create a Bukkit plugin  to allow PE clients connect PC servers
11:33 < Not-002> [fCraft] fragmer * r2003 2 files : Implemented FloatingIslandMapGen, mostly
11:33 < nastyCreeper> shoghicp lol
11:33 < SinZ> shoghicp: that would be awkward, as pocket doesn't have auth servers, PC does
11:33 < dx> shoghicp: hm, writing it as a bukkit plugin sounds interesting! i always thought about standalone proxies
11:33 < nastyCreeper> i would bury PE at all
11:33 < shoghicp> SinZ: they will in 0.7.0
11:34 < nastyCreeper> instead of adding limitations, mojang should have added optimisations
11:34 < shoghicp> I'm doing a PocketMine plugin to allow PC clients connect PE servers
11:34 < shoghicp> and at least, the clients connects
11:34 < shoghicp> and can chat
11:34 < shoghicp> client*
11:35 < shoghicp> I got Query and RCOn working there ;)
11:35 < dx> meh, i actually want to see how far my Xorg on android project can go. i'll do it. disregard the police.
11:35 < shoghicp> and a IRC client to join channels / PE servers
11:36 < shoghicp> dx: so, is the compilation done?
11:36 < dx> shoghicp: WHOOPS I FORGOT
11:36 < shoghicp> xD xD xD
11:39 < dx> it would be really cool to actually understand the display initialization process
11:39 < shoghicp> ç'
11:39 < shoghicp> ?
11:39 < shoghicp> everything that is said in the console?
11:39 < dx> nah talking about android :P
11:40 < shoghicp> ah!
11:40 < dx> it's a weird world after you kill zygote
11:40 < shoghicp> (It's pretty similar to Minecraft PC output, anyways)
11:40 < dx> yep, i noticed
11:41 < dx> shoghicp: also, do you kill yourself or what?
11:42 < dx> shoghicp: every time i run "stop" it shows a message that says "Killed" that looks exactly the same as when a process receives SIGKILL (-9)
11:42 < shoghicp> dx: I've to do it because if you close everything using an external command (not the server console) the STDIN thread will hang there
11:42 < dx> shoghicp: lol that sucks
11:43 < dx> shoghicp: SIGTERM didn't work?
11:43 < shoghicp> after closing everything on a signal
11:43 < shoghicp> I kill myself
11:43 < dx> rip
11:43 < shoghicp> so the thread closes correctly even if it is running
11:43 < shoghicp> kill(getmypid()); //Fix for ConsoleAPI being blocked
11:44 < dx> okay, so now we have a documented case in which PHP actually forced someone to kill themselves
11:44 < shoghicp> kill -9 ".((int) $pid)." > /dev/null 2>&1
11:45 < shoghicp> I got it fixed long ago
11:45 < dx> "fixed"?
11:45 < shoghicp> but then, I implemented RCON
11:45 < shoghicp> allowing to run commands
11:45 < dx> and that blocks stdin somehow..?
11:45 < shoghicp> so... no true STDIN
11:45 < dx> welp.
11:45 < shoghicp> so the loops keep blocked
11:45 < shoghicp> loop*
11:46 < shoghicp> PHP stdin is not async.
11:46 < dx> why does rcon have to go through stdin?
11:46 < shoghicp> no!
11:46 < dx> oh no!
11:46 < shoghicp> It is because nothing goues through STDIN
11:46 < shoghicp> so it can't be unblocked
11:46 < shoghicp> goes*
11:47 < dx> err.. what was the "fix"? how do you unblock stdin
11:47 < shoghicp> I crashed the thread
11:47 < shoghicp> xD
11:47 < shoghicp> using a bug
11:47 < dx> so pro
11:47 < shoghicp> but now the bug is fixed
11:48 < shoghicp> the thread itself is a PHP hack xD
11:48 < dx> so uhm
11:48 < dx> do you enjoy using this language?
11:48 < SinZ> php is fun
11:49 < shoghicp> before I had two PHP processes open, one reading from STDIn and writing to a file, and the main one reading from the file
11:49 < shoghicp> that was really weird, more than this
11:51 < GreaseMonkey> [19:15:03] <Grum> GreaseMonkey: wait what notch trolled you? :D <-- actually that was when he decided to troll christianu2uber after i was pissed off at the dipshits constantly posting "homo"
11:52 < dx> wat
11:56 < shoghicp> oh, the RPi is ending the compilation :D
11:57 < dx> shoghicp: you've tried fclose(STDIN) right?
11:57 < GreaseMonkey> yuss, i now have my first working S->C packet
11:57 < shoghicp> dx: yeah, outside the script. But keeps blocked
11:57 < GreaseMonkey> 0x0E, "Does this work?"
11:57 < shoghicp> dx: outside the thread*
11:57 < dx> shoghicp: :(
12:01 < shoghicp> I'll be back in a while
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12:11 < Grum> GreaseMonkey: how on earth did notch troll someone? :D
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12:12 <+md_5> I think his latest tweet about board meetings just confirms our thoughts about mojang
12:13 < Grum> md_5: nothing decided in boardmeetings influences minecraft dev however :)
12:14 <+md_5> Who mentioned Minecraft?
12:15 < Grum> the channelname :(
12:15 < dx> i went to notch's twitter just to check if the board meetings were about the correct pronunciation of the word "mojang"
12:15 < Grum> hmmm i think there was a meeting for that once ;p
12:15 < dx> lol
12:15 <+md_5> Mow jang
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12:16 <+md_5> Mow Jiang
12:16 < Grum> MOOjenk
12:16 < dx> moo yank
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12:18 < dx> i don't understand android
12:18 < dx> i ran a full system upgrade and it has been for the last three minutes downloading packages with 0 bytes free in that partition
12:19 < dx> i know they've made a lot of weird decisions with the kernel patches, but how does this even happen
12:19 < jast> downloading into RAM?
12:20 < Grum> into /tmp ?
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12:20 <+md_5> Into/Dev/null?
12:20 < dx> /dev/null makes sense
12:20 < mh0> /tmp is on the actual storage device, Grum :P
12:20 < dx> i could have put it on a tmpfs, but it's not
12:21 < Grum> mh0: seem it mapped to ram too :)
12:22 < mh0> I guess you could map it to RAM, I don't know why some linux distributions wouldn't
12:22 < dx> tmpfs means mapped to ram, it's the default usually
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12:23 < mh0> 9.6M	~/dev
12:23 < mh0> I need to do more developing
12:23 < mh0> :P
12:24 < mh0> I probably will once I get more RAM
12:25 < nastyCreeper> tmpfs is not always mounted in /tmp
12:25 < nastyCreeper> it depends on system configuration
12:25 < dx> 102968832 bytes (103 MB) copied, 147.333 s, 699 kB/s
12:25 < dx> when it ran out of space
12:25 < dx> 143624704 bytes (144 MB) copied, 204.929 s, 701 kB/s
12:25 < dx> now
12:25 < dx> doing dd if=/dev/urandom of=/root/random
12:26 < mh0> I really need to consider updating some of my plugins to make them better :P
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12:27 < SimSonic_> Hello all
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12:28 < SimSonic_> I want to ask for some help about minecraft's protocol encryption ...
12:28 < dx> there we go, no space left in device, "195248128 bytes (195 MB) copied, 299.898 s, 651 kB/s"
12:30 < dx> the file seems to be effectively 195248128 bytes long, but after removing "df" says i have 90mb left...
12:30 < dx> SimSonic_: don't ask to ask just ask
12:31 < SimSonic_> I use MS's Cryptography API and create RSA keypair with BCryptGenerateKeyPair / BCryptExportKey and CryptEncodeObjectEx(X509_ASN_ENCODING, CNG_RSA_PUBLIC_KEY_BLOB, &PublicKeyBLOB, 0, NULL, Buffer, &dwBufferLen) to create ASN.1 x.509 form.
12:32 < SimSonic_> In result I have 140 bytes which I send to client in Encryption Key Request (0xFD)
12:33 < SimSonic_> But the client immediately goes in Null Pointer Exception
12:34 < SimSonic_> Token bytes are constantly "1251", token length is set to 4, serverid string is set to other random constant L"e85642ade9";
12:34 < nastyCreeper> SimSonic_: i think it's because m$ is evil
12:35 < dav1d> SimSonic_: just ignore him
12:35 < dx> nastyCreeper: behave.
12:35 < nastyCreeper> dav1d: i was unable to do many project on windows
12:35 < nastyCreeper> encountered tons of weird, undebuggable bugs
12:35 < nastyCreeper> then i switched to freebsd and everything compiled and ran flawlessly
12:35 < SimSonic_> all the bugs are the result of our hands )
12:36 < dav1d> ^
12:36 < nastyCreeper> SimSonic_ that's pessimistic
12:36 < Grum> poor guy who works with his feet :(
12:36 < mh0> nastyCreeper: Windows is fine. User Error.
12:36 < nastyCreeper> :(
12:37 < mh0> Most things are user error.
12:37 < mh0> Some things are legit bugs
12:37 < mh0> (Nothing's perfect)
12:37 < nastyCreeper> mh0: windows intentionally makes programming more complicated (unless you use their visual shitudio)
12:37 < Grum> but people claim that VS is the best IDE on the planet
12:37 < dx> er, let's not change topic, we're supposed to help SimSonic_ with his legitimate issue, not talk about this bullshit
12:38 < nastyCreeper> Grum: these are m$ zombies
12:38 < mh0> I used VS once
12:38 < nastyCreeper> they probably never used anything else
12:38 < mh0> it was terrible
12:38 < nastyCreeper> ++
12:38 < dx> i have no idea about protocol encryption so i can't help, but at least let's let people who know how to help see the issue
12:38 < SimSonic_> okay, I'm ms-zombie, but I want to continue my work )
12:38 < Grum> i used eclipse ... it was also terrible :P
12:38 < nastyCreeper> SimSonic_: you don't
12:38 < mh0> Grum: Hey man. I use Eclipse :p
12:38 < dav1d> SimSonic_: does it have to be the ms crpyto api?
12:38 < Grum> mh0: you should upgrade to intellij :P
12:39  * dx cough
12:39 < dx> "Off topic chatter is perfectly fine so long as you are not interrupting on-topic conversation"
12:39 < mh0> eclipse is a cool guy
12:39 < dav1d> SimSonic_: there are guides on how to do it with e.g. openssl
12:39 < Grum> oh, you should use intellij for minecraft development
12:39 < Grum> ontopic again!
12:39 < SimSonic_> dav1d, yes, CNG for keypair generation and CryptAPI for making ASN.1 form
12:40 < dav1d> SimSonic_: then I can't help, I have no idea of that api
12:40 < Grum> SimSonic_: is it me or am I failing to see where you define the length of the requested key?
12:40 < SimSonic_> I think that i have wrong form, because of my public key is 140 bytes long, but connection to bukkit gives 164 bytes =\
12:40 < SimSonic_> 1. BCryptOpenAlgorithmProvider(&(Data.hProviderRSA), BCRYPT_RSA_ALGORITHM, MS_PRIMITIVE_PROVIDER, 0);
12:40 < SimSonic_> 2. BCryptGenerateKeyPair(Data.hProviderRSA, &(Data.hKeyPairRSA), 1024, 0);
12:41 < SimSonic_> 3. BCryptFinalizeKeyPair(Data.hKeyPairRSA, 0);
12:41 < SimSonic_> 4. BCryptExportKey(Data.hKeyPairRSA, NULL, BCRYPT_RSAPUBLIC_BLOB, PublicKeyBuffer, uBufferLen, &uBufferLen, 0);
12:41 < SimSonic_> and 5. CryptEncodeObjectEx(X509_ASN_ENCODING, CNG_RSA_PUBLIC_KEY_BLOB, &PublicKeyBLOB, 0, NULL, Buffer, &dwBufferLen)
12:41 < mh0> Grum: I'll give it a try - now... for something more on-topic
12:41 < Grum> i guess you are playing the server?
12:41 < dx> 6. GOTO 1
12:41 < nastyCreeper> just use cygwin and openssl =(
12:41 <+Fador> I had to use some magic numbers to get minecraft accept the key I generated with openssl ;)
12:41 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/mineserver.cpp#L315
12:41 < mh0> I have no idea how the encrypting works, man :P
12:41 < dav1d> you don't need cygwin for openssl -.-
12:41 < HaltingState> Prf_Jakob, I am liking D more and more; I started a small C# project, lulz
12:41 < dav1d> HaltingState: how does that make sense?^^
12:42 < HaltingState> monogame and all this crap; have made be reconsider D
12:42 < dav1d> another misinformation provided happily by nastyCreeper 
12:42 < dx> Fador: i'll ask: what's "jesus tape"?
12:42 < HaltingState> 0.9 seconsd to compile hello world/opengl and 2 second startup time
12:42 < HaltingState> cant compile from command line etc
12:43 <+Fador> dx: oh right, it's a thing in Finland to call duct tape "jesus tape"
12:43 < dx> Fador: is it stronger than normal duct tape because it uses the power of miracles?
12:43 < nastyCreeper> dav1d: you need cygwin for sane compilation
12:43 < dav1d> nastyCreeper: wtf
12:43 <+Fador> dx: ...sure ;D
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12:44 < nastyCreeper> dav1d: you can use gcc in cygwin
12:44 < dav1d> lol
12:44 < dav1d> so that's your reason
12:44 < dav1d> did you even audit gcc?
12:44 < dav1d> I mean it could produce unsecure code
12:44 < nastyCreeper> gcc compared to m$ visual shitudio is like sasha grey compared to dead corpse of fat ugly lady
12:45 <+Fador> and with what are you going to compile the gcc after auditing it!
12:45 < dx> i'm sorry but gcc isn't into penises.
12:45 < nastyCreeper> Fador: i trust gcc devs
12:45 <+Fador> you cannot trust the binary gcc you're compiling it with!
12:45 < nastyCreeper> Fador: don't be ridiculous
12:45 < nastyCreeper> gcc is okay :)
12:45 <+Fador> ;)
12:45 < dav1d> holy shit
12:46 < dx> SimSonic_: anyway, it's going to be hard to find someone familiar with crypto api here, it seems. openssl is very feasible to use in windows based projects though.
12:46 < dx> *with THAT crypto api
12:46 < dx> sorry
12:46 < dav1d> openssl is a pain though
12:46 < dav1d> but people already figured it out
12:46 < jast> I liked libgcrypt when I used it
12:47 < nastyCreeper> SimSonic_: i can help you as soon as you switch to sane compilation environment and libraries
12:47 < nastyCreeper> done thousands of such softwares
12:47 < jast> of course you have
12:47 < shoghicp> back
12:47 < dx> we're going to need confirmation that these """softwares""" are sane, though
12:47 < shoghicp> dx: how is the compilation?
12:47 < nastyCreeper> jast: sadly, libgcrypt isn't enough for minecraft protocol encryption
12:48 < jast> back when I used libgcrypt it wasn't enough for my application, either
12:48 < dx> shoghicp: it's showing a wonderful line that says "[root@futari ~]#"
12:48 < shoghicp> oh xD
12:48 < jast> had to borrow PBKDF2 and XTS code from elsewhere
12:48 < shoghicp> that means that it failed
12:48 < jast> (the project wasn't minecraft-related)
12:49 < shoghicp> check the install.log
12:49 < dx> shoghicp: sorta, can't do anything yet because i have a mix of library versions
12:50 < dx> shoghicp: i mean i haven't even tried compiling because it's broken :P
12:50 < shoghicp> then, generic binary FTW
12:51 < dx> heh
12:51 < SimSonic_> Hmm, i found info close to my task: http://www.jensign.com/JavaScience/dotnet/JKeyNet/  See 162 and 140 bytes buffers )) going to read
12:52 < Thinkofdeath> SimSonic_: 162 bytes is the size it on mine
12:52 < nastyCreeper> i knew java and dotnet came from the same cauldron
12:53 < dx> shoghicp: i'll have to free some space/resize the partition and then do a full system upgrade (it's a minimal set of packages, shouldn't take long), so i'll tell you later
12:53 < Thinkofdeath> *of it
12:53 < shoghicp> I'm testing the world generation no with a new binary
12:53 < dx> shoghicp: rpi?
12:53 < shoghicp> yeah
12:54 < SimSonic_> Thinkofdeath, yes, i know it, but my code produces 140 bytes...
12:54 < dx> shoghicp: was it ignoring a few cflags before?
12:54 < shoghicp> I was giving some flags incorrectly
12:54 < dx> right
12:55 < dx> vroom vroom cflags just kicked in yo
12:55 < shoghicp> mcpu, march, mtune are right
12:55 < shoghicp> but mfpu should be inside CFLAGS
12:56 < shoghicp> (a part of the compile script test flags, cflags + more)
12:56 < shoghicp> 10:56:31 [INFO] Done (146.734s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
12:56 < shoghicp> seed 0
12:57 < dx> did you try seed 0 with the previous binary?
12:57 < shoghicp> ~160s
12:57 < shoghicp> now, loading just 14s
12:57 < dx> neat
12:57 < nastyCreeper> anybody implemented time travelling on their server?
12:57 < dx> like mystcraft?
12:58 < shoghicp> (The raspberry is a server for the global anonymous stats, so it is at 90% cpu always)
12:58 < nastyCreeper> i.e. player goes to timeshift area, then comes out 100000 ticks before the current time
12:58 < dav1d> shoghicp: your mpe server?
12:58 < nastyCreeper> and current time is then influented by his actions there
12:58 < nastyCreeper> is it possible at all?
12:58 < shoghicp> dav1d: yes, there are usage stats. one of my RPi is the stats server
12:59 < dav1d> weren't you banned pbunny?
12:59 < dav1d> shoghicp: neat
12:59 < jast> yes
12:59 < nastyCreeper> you are pbunny dav1d
12:59 < jast> but the ban for this alias was temporary for some reason
12:59 < dx> shoghicp: you mean it's taking 140 seconds because another process is using 90% cpu? :(
12:59 < dav1d> I should buy myself a rpi
12:59 < nastyCreeper> jast: please don't believe trolls. thanks
12:59 < shoghicp> dx: Right, but i won't stop it ;)
12:59 < dav1d> jast: jo dawg I trolled ya!
12:59 <+ammar2> nastyCreeper: sure but if you want real time travel you'll need to keep snapshots of everything from ticks ago
12:59 < dx> shoghicp: you're so mean :(
13:00 < nastyCreeper> ammar2: maybe only several snapshots
13:00 < nastyCreeper> if arbitrary time travel destination is not necessity
13:00 < shoghicp> http://stats.pocketmine.net/
13:00 < dx> shoghicp: for a while i thought my phone was better than the rpi, but my phone is completely idle ;_;
13:00 < shoghicp> My tablet is better than the RPi ;)
13:01 < dx> it's not hard to be better than the rpi
13:01 < dx> yet i'm failing
13:01 < dx> ;_;
13:02 < shoghicp> and now... PHP 5.5
13:02 < nastyCreeper> ammar2: the major problem will be synchonising players that exist in different time slices
13:02 < dx> shoghicp: fun!
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13:02 < shoghicp> It runs ~10% faster ;)
13:02 < dx> ammar2: copy on write worlds? :D
13:03 < nastyCreeper> imagine the scenario: 1) player X built house 2) player X built a mine under it 3) 3 days have passed 4) player Z enters time sink and gets to the world as it was 3 days ago 5) player Z kills player X while the latter is building his house
13:03 <+ammar2> well you can't do "changing the time" scenarios
13:03 < nastyCreeper> obviously the outcome after 3 days will be quite different for player Z
13:03 < dx> anything with copy on write is instantly 10% cooler
13:03 < nastyCreeper> and as player Z's client perceives the current time.. how to pass the changes to it?
13:04 <+ammar2> unless of course you've actually invented real time travel
13:04 < nastyCreeper> lol
13:04 < shoghicp> dx: my tests tell me that it is 9.8735% faster
13:04 < dx> shoghicp: neat!
13:04 < dx> shoghicp: compile all the things!
13:04 < shoghicp> that is ~10%, right xD?
13:04 <+md_5> I did
13:05 <+md_5> You need powered opal and the preserved head of a president
13:05 < nastyCreeper> ammar2: well i thought that in case of something changed in the past, players' behavior there will be simulated (they acted as npc) if somebody influented the changes in it (i.e. unexpected death)
13:05 < nastyCreeper> and actual players will just get sudden world / location changes
13:05 < SimSonic_> Hah, I've done it. Just add first 12 bytes :) UI8 Addon[] = { 0x30, 0x81, 0x9F, 0x30, 0x0D, 0x06, 0x09, 0x2A, 0x86, 0x48, 0x86, 0xF7, 0x0D, 0x01, 0x01, 0x01, 0x05, 0x00, 0x03, 0x81, 0x8D, 0x00 };
13:05 < nastyCreeper> if they were caused by something in the past
13:06 < dx> SimSonic_: i don't know what this means but congratulations :D
13:06 < SimSonic_> Client is connecting without errors ... okay, it's time for AES/CFB8 ...
13:06 <+ammar2> nastyCreeper: way, way too much stuff to consider. It sound simple in theory now but try writing an implementation
13:07 < nastyCreeper> thought of anything impossible?
13:07 <+ammar2> user goes back in time and blocks off the place he used to time travel
13:07 < Grum> user goes back in time and kills himself?
13:08 < nastyCreeper> ammar2: then he is returned to current world
13:08 < nastyCreeper> and place is no more :p
13:08 < nastyCreeper> or, easier - make such places indestructable
13:08 < dav1d> SimSonic_: they are always the same?
13:08 < Grum> nastyCreeper: its next to impossible to make the 'timeline' straight again
13:08 <+ammar2> nastyCreeper: goes back in time and dies, like Grum said
13:08 < nastyCreeper> Grum: you misunderstood the conception slightly
13:08 < dx> go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb
13:08 < nastyCreeper> if user goes into past, he isn't in current time anymore
13:08 < nastyCreeper> so if he kills himself there - he can respawn there
13:08 < nastyCreeper> nothing hard
13:09 < dx> (he already does the latter)
13:09 < Grum> i mean, you could just block the way a user walked to get where he is now .. that in theory should prevent him from having him do that in the first place