15:42  * edk laughs
15:42 < dav1d> C++ is (completly) different
15:42 < Nerolat> It is
15:42 < dav1d> Nerolat: lol, java is JITed
15:42 < dav1d> and the JIT tends to get pretty good
15:42 < Nerolat> At least C++ doesn't use some shitty virtual machines
15:42 < dav1d> Nerolat: lol
15:42 < dav1d> you know what a JIT is?
15:42 < Nerolat> Which just slow them down.
15:42 < Nerolat> No, not really.
15:42 < edk> then don't complain about it!
15:42 < dav1d> Nerolat: then you have no idea what you're talking about
15:42 < dx> #mcdevs: where we derail pointless discussions into even more pointless discussions that are at least a bit more interesting
15:43 < dav1d> Nerolat: JIT > native code (can be)
15:43 < Nerolat> Still, Java is not so fast.
15:43 < Nerolat> Though I like the runtime compilation on java
15:43 < dav1d> ...
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15:46 < Nerolat> Well, it is a never ending war between two group of people
15:46 < edk> it would end if you went and looked at some benchmarks
15:46 < dav1d> haha
15:46 < Nerolat> If you go to any C++ programming channel, you'll see that people say that C++ is better than Java, if you go to any java channel, you'll see that they hate c++
15:46 < Nerolat> Both have pros and both have minuses
15:46 < edk> The minuses are usually called cons, but yes
15:46 < dx> i don't think they argue about performance
15:47 < dx> that would be dumb
15:47 < edk> yeah
15:47 < edk> they're both horrible languages, imo
15:47 < dx> ^
15:47 <+ammar2> we having a java performance "discussion"? where is pbunny?
15:47 < dav1d> ammar2: lost in his preprocessor
15:47 < dx> loling
15:48 < edk> He's probably got a deadlock condition between thread #2153910 and thread #3651035246342631
15:49 < dx> anyway
15:49 < dx> Nerolat: go nuts http://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html
15:49 < dav1d> and there was a good lib for the packets...
15:49 < dav1d> construct?
15:50 < dx> yeah, construct is nice, but the stdlib has "struct" which is also cool for simple stuff
15:50 < dav1d> I always wanted to test it out.. but that's what you get for using D, a simple struct, done
15:50 < dav1d> dx: yeah but I would say MC protocol with "struct" is quite some work
15:52 < dx> defining the whole protocol is a lot of work with anything, although construct makes it really nice to handle dynamic-ish fields
15:52 < dx> i think mostawesomedude used it
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15:53 < dx> rip
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15:55 < dx> oh hey bravo's development is still alive
15:55 < dx> is MAD here under a different nick? i think he changed it but i don't remember it
15:57 < dav1d> the bravo devs are here
15:57 < dav1d> just cant remember the name
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16:16 <+ammar2> dx: he was here under the "simpson" moniker a while ago
16:16 < dx> ammar2: oh.
16:16 < dav1d> ah yeah right
16:16 < dav1d> something with s, all I remembered xD
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16:17 < dx> february 19
16:18 < dx> i don't see any relevant context for that /part
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16:56 < AnotherOne> oh that sweet holy war
16:56 < AnotherOne> if you want to know my opinion, java is for kiddies
16:56 < dav1d> ^ lol
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16:57 < AnotherOne> total "security", which only gives you less freedom
16:57 < AnotherOne> and yes
16:57 < AnotherOne> java is slow
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18:03 <+clonejo> AnotherOne: Java doesn't have to be slow. But it likes to allocate tons of RAM
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18:21 < AnotherOne> yes, it does
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18:25 < AnotherOne> garbage collector with no options is such a shit
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18:39 < Calinou> lol
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22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 7 commits to master [+2/-0/±12] http://git.io/D1Bkrw
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 324d9ba - Minor NBT parser changes
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 147c8db - Reduced chunk tick rate
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 65c4a41 - Fixed type NBT byte arrays needing []byte instead of []int8
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath bb6b284 - Fix empty NBT lists
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath b8c10a4 - Fix NBT int arrays
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 3ef134a - NBT Fixes
22:56 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath c52f011 - Chunk saving (Broken... kinda)
23:07 < eddyb> maybe...
23:07 < eddyb> (not)
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23:48 < AnotherOne> anybody here?
23:49 < shoghicp> AnotherOne: yes
23:49 < AnotherOne> can i use protobuf for creating classes for minecraft messages?
23:50 < shoghicp> I don't know :(
23:52 < AnotherOne> im so bored of making those damn classes
23:56 <+pdelvo> They are not "that" much packets :D I have only 93 and I have some old ones in there too. Just keep going :D
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00:08 < AnotherOne> yep
00:08 < AnotherOne> i will:)
00:09 < AnotherOne> the most boring part
00:09 < AnotherOne> once i get all of the packets i will be ALLMIGHTY
00:09 <+pdelvo> when you implemented all of them comes the not so funny part. finding mistakes you made. This can be really annoying
00:09 < AnotherOne> exceptions, exceptions everywhere:)
00:10 < AnotherOne> its better to debug man
00:10 < AnotherOne> and this packet order
00:10 < AnotherOne> different everywhere
00:11 < AnotherOne> solution that i got in my mind is too ugly
00:12 <+pdelvo> Funny errors like "string length < 0. weird string", unknown packet xx" and many more. the biggest problem: its hard to see which implementation was wrong because sometimes it can parse some following "packets", fails after some because 50 packets before it became out of sync. this is annoying
00:13 <+pdelvo> I implemented some unit tests that can find some mistakes I made by trying to write every packet into memory and reading them afterwards. but this does not help in most cases
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00:16 < AnotherOne> because minecraft servers like to send some packet in several parts
00:16 < AnotherOne> and i dont know how to determine if i have complete hext packet in my buffer
00:17 < AnotherOne> fuckit, my "comfort zone" is left, it is now really hard
00:19 <+pdelvo> no. lets se. there is a packet x (0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x04). it has a length of 4 bytes, but your implemention only reads three (a mistake). then you go on. now you have a 0x04 as the next packet id and you read on as if nothing happens. you read until you have e.g. a string with a negative length. at this point you know something went wrong and the problem must be in a packet before. finding which packet caused that can be hard
00:20 <+pdelvo> For me I have written a class which allows me to read a fixed amount of bytes. when I want to get 4000 it will wait until 4000 are avialable. So I dont have to care any longer how packets are splitted on their way over the network
00:21 < AnotherOne> hm
00:21 < AnotherOne> what buffer do you use?
00:22 < AnotherOne> im just reading bytes constantly in a thread
00:22 < AnotherOne> omfg i just got http://www.wiki.vg/Protocol#Client_Settings_.280xCC.29
00:22 < AnotherOne> fukken how?
00:22 <+pdelvo> This is how I made it: https://github.com/pdelvo/Pdelvo.Minecraft/blob/master/Pdelvo.Minecraft.Network/FullyReadStream.cs#L85
00:23 < AnotherOne> looks like it is about your previous quotes:)
00:23 < AnotherOne> oh, c#
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00:41 < AnotherOne> hey
00:42 < AnotherOne> im getting only CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
00:42 < AnotherOne> what is this?
00:46 <+sadimusi> AnotherOne: are you building a server like everyone else?
00:48 < AnotherOne> a client
00:48 <+sadimusi> oh, nice
00:48 <+sadimusi> and I guess you haven't touched encryption yet
00:48 < AnotherOne> yep
00:49 <+sadimusi> well, to debug the packet parser a proxy is quite handy
00:49 < dexter0> what language?
00:49 <+sadimusi> it probably can't explain an endless stream of 0xcc though ;)
00:49 < AnotherOne> C++
00:49 < dexter0> how far are you going to take it?  GUI, 3d?
00:51 < AnotherOne> in my dreams it is a fully functional client without constant 10 fps
00:51 <+sadimusi> good luck with that :D
00:51 < dexter0> cool, do you have a github link?
00:51 < AnotherOne> nope
00:51 < AnotherOne> it is still a little non-functional
00:52 < AnotherOne> i will make github later
00:52 < AnotherOne> i think dat server banned me:)
00:55 < AnotherOne> cc meant buffer was empty
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01:56 < AnotherOne> anyone knows how does client get teams messages?
01:56 < AnotherOne> there are a lot of data
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04:32 < TkTech> sadimusi: Given any thought to renaming your fork?
04:33 <+sadimusi> TkTech: not really, why?
04:33 < TkTech> sadimusi: mmcgill hasn't updated his in a year+ and searching mc3p always returns his first.
04:33 < TkTech> People here mention mc3p when debugging is needed, but a search will always return one really out of date.
04:34 <+sadimusi> ah right, you mentioned that before
04:35 <+sadimusi> I just can't think of a good name :/
04:36 < TkTech> Careful asking for names, that's how I ended up with Burger.
04:36 <+sadimusi> :D
05:00 < dx> lol i have a pending pull request on mmcgill's mc3p
05:00 < dx> https://github.com/mmcgill/mc3p/pull/11
05:13 < TkTech> dx: 11 months ago...
05:13 < dx> yep
05:13 < TkTech> He's active on github, and on a minecraft-related repo.
05:13 < dx> sadimusi: call it mc4p :D
05:13 < TkTech> Wonder why he stopped caring.
05:14 < dx> i have no idea what's the extra "p", though, but you can think that later and name the project mc4p now
05:14 < TkTech> p for proxy?
05:14 < TkTech> Minecraft 3 Proxy?
05:14 < dx> 3p means protocol parsing proxy
05:14 < dx> 4p would be another p-word
05:14 < TkTech> Ah, derp.
05:15 < TkTech> portable protocol parsing proxy 
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05:32 < dx> "prevailing protocol parsing proxy" :D
05:32 < dx> or prevalent
05:32 <+AndrewPH> pretty-good
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05:32 <+AndrewPH> or make it print things in color, and make it just pretty'
05:33 < dx> hah
05:33 < dx> or extremely literal for what it is right now: "patched"
05:33 < SinZ> MineCraft Pretty Printing Prevailing Portable Protocol Parsing Proxy, or MC7P
05:33 < dx> :D
05:35 < dx> you can also add "python" and confuse people who thought mc3p was python too
06:04 < Not-003> [fCraft] fragmer * r1973 2 files : PlayerDB autocompletion now correctly handles players with '.' in their names.
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08:16 < Not-003> [bravo] MostAwesomeDude pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/uGo2qw
08:16 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 9e0178a - terrain/trees: Some PEP8.
08:16 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 1be6a20 - terrain/trees: Share species numbers and use names for them. Cleaner, faster, etc.
08:51 < Not-003> [bravo] MostAwesomeDude pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/BRS3kQ
08:51 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson df93e32 - terrain/trees: A big pile of PEP8 fixes.
08:51 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 8de4aff - utilities/maths: Add Pythagorean distance, and test.
08:51 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 8ef1655 - terrain/trees: Fix up a couple distance calculations.
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10:06 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/K3B38Q
10:06 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 8ddbfba - Chunk saving now works (16 hours of trying... damn ReadFull vs Read)
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10:18 < pbunny> **:38:27      dav1d | Nerolat: JIT > native code (can be)
10:18 < pbunny> unless you have a CPU capable of running JIT this is not true
10:19 < AnotherOne> java prosessor
10:19 < AnotherOne> oh noes
10:21 < pbunny> ok, so
10:21 <+md_5> ahaha
10:21 < pbunny> i'm having weird minecraft protocol issue
10:21 <+md_5> pbunny u crack me up
10:21 <+md_5> it IS compiled to native code
10:21 <+md_5> this is how the jvm and v8 work
10:22 <+md_5> they compile to x86[_64] assembly
10:22 < pbunny> md_5: in such case, dav1d's comparison made no sense
10:22 < pbunny> then it was like "native code" > "native code"
10:23 < pbunny> anyway, the issue i'm currently having is the following
10:23 < pbunny> imagine player A and player B, both entered world X
10:23 <+Fador> more like "JIT compiler" > "Other compilers" ;)
10:23 < pbunny> then, player A and player B entered world Y from world X
10:23 < pbunny> in that moment, they both can attack each other
10:24 < pbunny> then, imagine player A returned to world X, and then got back to world Y
10:24 < pbunny> after that, he can't attack player B there even though he can see him
10:24 < pbunny> client just doesn't send entity action packet
10:24 < pbunny> however, if player B then kills player A, and latter respawns, he can attack player B again
10:25 < pbunny> or, if player A disconnects from server, then connects, enters world X and then enters world Y, he can attack too
10:25 < pbunny> so, the only scenario when he can't attack is when he moves to world X and then back to world Y
10:25 < pbunny> i'm lost here
10:25 < AnotherOne> oh fock
10:25 < pbunny> in such case, if he attacks player B, client sends only animation packet
10:25 < pbunny> not entity action
10:25 < pbunny> :|
10:26 < pbunny> you can see it at anonymous.lv:1337 server
10:26 < pbunny> world X is "login world"
10:26 < pbunny> type /register or /login there to be able to move to world Y ("real world")
10:26 < pbunny> try with 2 minecraft clients, you will see the bug i mentioned above
10:26 < pbunny> no idea what's wrong there
10:27 < pbunny> ah, and type /logout to get back to login world
10:27 < AnotherOne> login world is wrong:)
10:27 < pbunny> no
10:27 < pbunny> so, basically, if player does /logout , then logs in again and moves to "real world", he is unable to attack another player
10:27 < pbunny> if he reconnects and then moves to "real world" - he can
10:27 < pbunny> if he gets killed in "real world" and respawns - he can attack too
10:27 < AnotherOne> partial data clearing?
10:28 < pbunny> AnotherOne: nope
10:28 < pbunny> i inspected the code, packets seem to be sent are equal
10:28 < pbunny> it has something to do with moving between worlds, maybe i'm doing something not right
10:29 < pbunny> p.s. don't do anything other then login, logout, entering portal and attacking
10:29 < pbunny> server kicks client when receives unimplemented packet
10:29 < AnotherOne> :D
10:29 < pbunny> ah, and /register
10:30 < pbunny> and /captcha :p
10:30 < AnotherOne> omg
10:30 < AnotherOne> why?:)
10:30 < pbunny> AnotherOne: to prevent bot registration spamming
10:30 < pbunny> you must type code you will see after /register :p
10:31 < AnotherOne> hey
10:31 < AnotherOne> what is done on disconnect?
10:32 < pbunny> AnotherOne: player_leaveworld is called
10:32 < AnotherOne> and on logout?
10:32 < pbunny> and on /logout, player_leaveworld is called too, prior to player_setworld with login world passed
10:32 < AnotherOne> threads?
10:33 < pbunny> AnotherOne: connection thread is separate from world thread
10:33 < pbunny> but it's all thread-safe
10:33 < AnotherOne> thread is closed on disconnect
10:33 < pbunny> yes
10:33 < AnotherOne> and all data is wiped
10:33 < pbunny> so?
10:33 < AnotherOne> but not on logout i think
10:33 < AnotherOne> my intiution tells me to look there
10:33 < pbunny> yes, but when he connects again - he will have the same data as after /logout
10:33 < pbunny> nothing special there
10:34 < pbunny> it's something with packets sequence i think
10:34 < pbunny> maybe somebody could join and check if packets are sent correctly
10:35 < AnotherOne> i can join, but cant check:) but let's try
10:36 < AnotherOne> whoops
10:36 < AnotherOne> incompatible protocol version
10:40 < pbunny> its 1.5.x
10:40 < pbunny> which do you have?
10:40 < pbunny> protocol 60
10:41 < AnotherOne> 152
10:41 < pbunny> oh, its for 1.5.0 / 1.5.1 iirc
10:41 < AnotherOne> what is iirc?
10:41 < pbunny> "if i remember correctly"
10:41 < AnotherOne> yep, 60 is 150/151
10:42 < AnotherOne> why no 61?
10:42 < AnotherOne> are there so large changes?
10:43 < SinZ> there are almost no protocol differences
10:43 < pbunny> hold on
10:43 < SinZ> but there are some derps that needed to be fixed and requires client and server to be on par
10:43 < pbunny> AnotherOne: updated :p
10:43 < pbunny> try joining
10:43 < pbunny> SinZ: changelog link
10:43 < pbunny> ?
10:44 < SinZ> 1.5.2 is bug fixs
10:44 < pbunny> DEBUG(16:3)|parsebuffer()@parser.c:46: unknown packet type 0xFA, dropping connection
10:44 < SinZ> you haven't implemented Plugin channels?
10:44 < pbunny> not yet
10:44 < pbunny> AnotherOne: any way to remove plugins for now?
10:45 < pbunny> nm, will create dummy handler
10:45 < pbunny> hold on
10:45 < SinZ> https://mojang.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10400&version=11700
10:47 < AnotherOne> http://i48.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0520/1e/55d9a11c62798416a23d958702e0d31e.png
10:47 < AnotherOne> OH NOES
10:48 < pbunny> AnotherOne: try now
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10:48 < pbunny> :p
10:49 < pbunny> AnotherOne: you like the captcha? :p
10:49 < AnotherOne> aaaaaah my eyeballz
10:50 < AnotherOne> whoops
10:50 < pbunny> close window not implemented :p
10:51 < AnotherOne> wow
10:52 < pbunny> did you see the bug?
10:52 < AnotherOne> so now i will log out
10:52 < dav1d> pbunny: it makes sense, JIT knows better what to compile and how to compile when it's needed
10:52 < Calinou> <pbunny> close window not implemented :p
10:52 < Calinou> hello wayland developer
10:52 < pbunny> dav1d: gcc knows better than jit
10:52 < Calinou> we have a scott moreau here!
10:52 < pbunny> Calinou: lol, be calm
10:52 < dav1d> pbunny: LOL
10:53 < pbunny> dav1d: you underestimate the power of gcc
10:53 < dav1d> naive little mind
10:53 < dav1d> pbunny: you underestimate the power of a JIT
10:53 < pbunny> iirc gcc is able even to compile java :p
10:53 < AnotherOne> oh, brain java:)
10:53 < dav1d> luajit is faster than your mighty gcc (not in all cases)
10:53 < dav1d> and you know, lua is dynamic
10:54  * pbunny is going to die from laughing now
10:54 < dav1d> pbunny: look it up
10:54 < pbunny> dav1d: php is more dynamic than lua! so it must be faster than luajit and gcc!
10:54 < dav1d> people should stfu if they have no idea how something works
10:55 < dav1d> pbunny: is php JITed?
10:55 < pbunny> dav1d: sure it is
10:55 < dav1d> and I was never talking about lua, but luajit
10:55 < dav1d> pbunny: wat?
10:55 <+Fador> https://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php php \o/
10:55 < dav1d> there are JIT implementations (I think facebook has one)
10:55 < dav1d> but apache? lol
10:56 < dav1d> Fador: yeah
10:56 < pbunny> Fador: i once managed to hiphop-php symfony 2 project :p
10:56 < pbunny> it failed :/
10:56 < pbunny> attempted *
10:56 < pbunny> so now i develop websites in C
10:56 < dav1d> maybe it didnt like your ignorance
10:56 < dav1d> (lol)
10:56 < pbunny> no, it didn't like namespaces and symfony 2 magic
10:57 < dx_> oh hey look
10:57 < dx_> it's pbunny
10:57 < dx_> yay.
10:57 < dx_> 10:47 <+ammar2> we having a java performance "discussion"? where is pbunny?
10:57 < dx_> ammar2: this is your fault
10:57 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] http://git.io/F1AZcg
10:57 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath df36be2 - Fixed race condition in saving
10:57 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 46bfbf6 - Async chunk saving
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10:58 < AnotherOne> java is slow
10:58 < AnotherOne> or Notch is bad
10:58 < AnotherOne> but with exapmle of minecraft...
10:58 < dx_> notch is slow
10:59 < dx_> or java is notch
10:59 < AnotherOne> lol
11:00 < dx_> 05:56 < pbunny> so now i develop websites in C
11:00 < dx_> pbunny sounds like the target userbase of the G-WAN server
11:02 < pbunny> dx_: i compile websites into http server
11:02 < pbunny> except for static content
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11:02 < dx_> you should compile static content too
11:02 < pbunny> i have my own http server code
11:02 < pbunny> dx_: why?
11:02 < dx_> it would be faster, duh
11:02 < dx_> everything is faster if you compile it
11:02 < pbunny> no.
11:04 < dav1d> dx_: :D
11:04 < dav1d> pbunny: put it in a macro?
11:04 < dav1d> (the static content)
11:05 < dx_> preload all the static content in ram, and spawn one thread to serve each file
11:05 < dav1d> yeah!
11:05 < pbunny> dav1d: why do you like macros so much?
11:06 < dx_> who doesn't like macros?
11:06 < pbunny> dx_: macros aren't efficient on modern CPUs
11:06 < pbunny> except for small stuff
11:06 < dav1d> they are the best thing I've ever seen, so easy to understand, so easy to implement, still so powerful!
11:06 < pbunny> dav1d: have you did any reading on macros vs functions?
11:06 < dav1d> "macros aren't efficent" wat? 
11:07 < pbunny> dav1d: http://www.iso-9899.info/wiki/Why_not_macros
11:07 < dav1d> macros don't even exist
11:07 < pbunny> dav1d: they do
11:07 < dav1d> but they inline!
11:07 < pbunny> dav1d: please read my link
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11:08 <+md_5> guys
11:08 <+md_5> if you are new to this channel
11:09 <+md_5> please note that pbunny is a brainless yet egotistic troll
11:09 < dav1d> pbunny: lol
11:09 < dav1d> macros are special CPU instructions! They have to be faster
11:09 < dx_> md_5: yeah seriously, you gotta be trolling to think that macros aren't better than any kind of function
11:09 < pbunny> md_5: i am newer to this channel than dav1d / dx_ guys
11:10 < dav1d> if they would be just copy and pasted by the compiler that would be dumb!
11:10 < dav1d> who would ever do that?
11:10 <+md_5> history | sed "s/^[0-9 ]*//" | sed "s/ *| */\n/g" | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head -n 100
11:10 <+md_5> share output guise
11:10 < dav1d> pbunny: correct, I am here for several years now?
11:10 <+md_5> uh
11:10 <+md_5> david and dx have been here much longer than you
11:10 < dav1d> well max. 2 :P
11:11 < pbunny> md_5: why do you think your brain exists? you never saw it
11:11 <+md_5>  remember
11:11 < pbunny> all you have is some perception data (visual, audial, etc) that tells you about how world works
11:11 <+md_5> guys
11:11 <+md_5> use malloc to allocate memory onto the stack
11:11 < pbunny> md_5: nonsense
11:12 <+md_5> pbunny you told me yourself
11:12 < dx_> i'd use it to allocate it onto the stack if i knew what a stack is
11:12 < pbunny> md_5: i never told that
11:12 < dav1d> md_5: http://sprunge.us/bUOd
11:12 <+md_5> brb grabboing irc logs of pbunny saying that
11:12 < dav1d> probably completly different results on my pc (which is atm 400km away)
11:12 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130424.log:[23:00:37] <pbunny> Amaranth: no, stack allocation is malloc :)
11:13 < pbunny> md_5: please note the ":)" chars
11:13 < dav1d> trololo
11:13 < dx_> http://dpaste.com/1190568/
11:13 < dav1d> OH NOES, now I know why I leak so much memory!
11:13 < dx_> i have no idea what */\n/g" is
11:13 <+md_5> dx_ part of the command I just gave you xD
11:13 < dav1d> dx_: replaces with a \n globally
11:14 < dav1d> dx_: in the whole file
11:14 < dx_> dav1d: nah i mean, it's in my history
11:14 < dx_> md_5: lol.
11:14 <+md_5> http://paste.md-5.net/cegaxobave.avrasm
11:14 <+md_5> mine is interesting
11:15 < dav1d> btw my "dav1d" command comes from wanting to login one time too often
11:15 <+md_5> dunno why so much heroku
11:15 <+md_5>      53 toilet
11:15 <+md_5>      50 timidity
11:15 <+md_5> is me dicking around
11:15 < dx_> the problem with mine is that each bash terminal i open overwrites the previous history :/
11:15 < dav1d> zsh!
11:15 < dx_> indeed
11:15 < dav1d> (no idea if it overrides)
11:15 <+md_5> oh-my-zsh
11:15 <+md_5> m8s
11:15 < pbunny> why keep history? it's insecure
11:15 < pbunny> not mentioning sharing on irc
11:15 <+md_5>      10 ./redsn0w
11:15 <+md_5> lol
11:15 <+md_5> that went well
11:15 < dx_> loool
11:16 < dx_> how old is that?
11:16 <+md_5> dx_ not very, I was trying to jailbreak a second gen ipod touch
11:16 <+md_5> ended up having to use snowbreeze or something on windoze
11:16 <+md_5> pbunny because I am only sharing my 100 most used commands, all of which have been vetted by me to make sure there are no passwords?
11:16 <+ammar2> pbunny: look at these dweebs openly sharing their history, now you can 1337 hax0rz them
11:17 < pbunny> md_5: if police will need your logs, they won't give you time to vet them
11:17 <+md_5> 10049 lines of history
11:17 <+md_5> nice
11:17 < dx_> 503 here
11:17 < dx_> :(
11:17 <+md_5> my history is real interesting
11:17 <+md_5>  9112  toilet --irc --font letter --gay --width 800
11:17 <+md_5> all dem toilet commands
11:17 < dav1d> my history is probably 2 years old on the other pc :P
11:17 < dx_> lol
11:18 < dav1d> the time I switched to zsh
11:18 < dav1d> --gay
11:18 <+md_5> lol, first line of zsh:
11:18 <+md_5>     1  curl -L https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh/raw/master/tools/install.sh | sh
11:18 < dav1d> wtf is toilet?
11:18 < dx_> like figlet but with colors
11:18 < dav1d> md_5: yeah oh-my-zsh <3 found way to late out that it exists
11:18 < dx_> what does that script do?
11:18 <+md_5>   526  git filter-branch --index-filter 'git rm --cached --ignore-unmatch Rakefile' \n: 1347768159:0;git filter-branch --index-filter 'git rm -rf --cached --ignore-unmatch *.jar' --prune-empty --tag-name-filter ca
11:18 <+md_5> t -- --all
11:18 <+md_5> jeezz
11:18 <+md_5> my git fu is that good?
11:18 < dx_> >filter-branch
11:19 < dx_> sounds painful
11:19 <+md_5> uh
11:19 <+md_5> http://screencloud.net/v/EEHE
11:19 <+md_5> hm
11:19 <+md_5> think that was me telnetting into open socks proxies
11:19 <+md_5> to see if they worked
11:20 <+md_5> ffmpeg -i gangnam.mp4 -r 12 -s cif out%5d.gif
11:20 <+md_5> gifsicle --delay=1 --loop *.gif > ../anim.gif
11:20 <+md_5> lololol
11:20 < pbunny> :|
11:20 < pbunny> telnetting into open socks proxies is 1337
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11:23 <+md_5> ldd redsn0w LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/michael/Downloads/redsn0w-linux_0.8/lib
11:23 <+md_5> yeah tried very hard to make it work dx_ 
11:23  * pbunny uses LD_LIBRARY_PATH every time to make freaking java work
11:24 <+md_5> well then you are doing it wrong
11:24 <+md_5> why use java anyway
11:24 <+md_5> its slow, bloated, insecure
11:24 < dx_> also >telnet >not netcat master race
11:24 <+md_5> and you dont own Minecraft, so no point in that
11:24 < pbunny> md_5: freaking java can't find libjawt.so in /opt/jre/lib/amd64
11:25 < pbunny> md_5: i don't use java for minecraft
11:25 <+md_5> I wish you would tell me how you develop a custom MC server without actually having a premium account
11:25 <+md_5> we dont like pirates in this channel
11:25 < pbunny> md_5: i have friends to test it
11:25 <+md_5> mmmm
11:25 < pbunny> i watch via skype share screen etc
11:26 <+md_5> totes m8
11:26 <+md_5> and when there is that one teeny tiny bug you need to fix
11:26 <+md_5> and al your friends are asleep
11:26 <+md_5> you must take forever to develop relying on friends to test
11:26 < pbunny> md_5: we synchronize our sleeps well enough
11:26 < pbunny> also there is redundance of friends
11:27 <+md_5> you would think testing yourself would be more productive
11:28 <+md_5> instead of compile, test, upload, bug to test, get feedback
11:28 <+md_5> repeat
11:28 < pbunny> md_5: i mostly understand the code by reading
11:28 < pbunny> actual testing is needed rarely, maybe once per day
11:28 <+md_5> that doesnt mean you can write flawless code without testing
11:28 < pbunny> md_5: mostly, i can
11:32 < SinZ> Then what you are doing isn't actual code
11:32 < pbunny> what
11:33 < pbunny> SinZ: i think there's a C compiler inside me
11:33 < pbunny> i can actually debug the code by reading it
11:33 < SinZ> lolno
11:34 <+md_5> typical mentality of a guy who has never been an actual programmer
11:34 < pbunny> md_5: i have 19 years of programming experience
11:34 < pbunny> ( since 7 y.o. )
11:35 < pbunny> md_5: what is the difference between programmer and "actual programmer"?
11:35 <+md_5> pbunny and how much of that has been in a professional environemy
11:35 <+md_5> environment
11:35 <+md_5> can I please see your resume?
11:35 < pbunny> md_5: what do you cann "professional environment"?
11:35 < pbunny> call *
11:35 <+md_5> oh wait, you probably dont have one
11:35 < pbunny> slavery for corporations?
11:35 < dx_> yeah i was a great programmer when i was 7 years old. i made the prettiest visual basic GUIs
11:35 <+md_5> pbunny part of an actual development team that has a proper software development cycle
11:36 < pbunny> dx_: i made command-line calculator in  C
11:36 <+md_5> resume or gtfo
11:36 < pbunny> md_5: no, that's what the System wants you to think
11:36 < pbunny> you don't need to work for corporations, to work according to rules or something else to be a programmer
11:36 < pbunny> you are programmer only by programming something
11:37 < pbunny> (c) cap
11:37 <+md_5> but you do for people to not knock you off as a retard who thinks he is the best programmer in the world
11:37 <+md_5> unbanned from ##c yet?
11:37 < sami3> 19 years of programming expirience? and yet you're at the level of early beginner
11:37 <+md_5> how come you claimed to know all there is about C
11:37 -!- sami3 is now known as zutto
11:37 < zutto> sense, this makes none
11:37 <+md_5> then you failed every question our friends in ##c gave you
11:37 < pbunny> md_5: did i mentioned i am the best programmer in the world?
11:37 <+md_5> zutto makes not cents, but dollars
11:38 < pbunny> md_5: do you have sense on humor?
11:38 < pbunny> of *
11:38 <+ammar2> are you showing off a command line calculator?
11:38 <+ammar2> calculators are really really basic
11:38 < pbunny> ammar2: it's buried into backups somewhere
11:39 <+md_5> http://paste.md-5.net/pihacinake.xml
11:39 <+md_5> entire pbunny logs
11:39  * md_5 browses
11:39 < pbunny> md_5: thanks, my statements are very useful without contexts
11:40 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130205.log:[20:32:31] <pbunny> i know everything though
11:40 <+md_5> lol
11:40 < dx_> heh
11:40 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130205.log:[23:54:07] <pbunny> i know exactly what i'm doing
11:40 < pbunny> md_5: i assumed it is obvious that i wasn't serious..
11:40 < pbunny> well, in the latter i was
11:40 < dav1d> clonejo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKceA691Wcg D and a Game Engine
11:40 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130221.log:[02:08:54] <pbunny> Stormx2: i know about algorithm design.
11:40 <+md_5> made me laugh
11:41 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130111.log:[00:30:32] <pbunny> i have 15 years of programming experience
11:41 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130205.log:[20:31:56] <pbunny> C
11:42 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130205.log:[20:32:26] <pbunny> a year
11:42 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130221.log:[02:07:18] <pbunny> lahwran: i code in C for years
11:42 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130221.log:[02:07:48] <pbunny> lahwran: 3 or 4
11:42 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130221.log:[23:30:23] <pbunny> jast: i'm studying this for years, and picture is pretty obvious now for me
11:42  * pbunny feels like celebrity :p
11:42 <+md_5> soo
11:42 <+md_5> first 15 years
11:42 <+ammar2> md_5 should stop pasting logs and pinging people
11:42 <+md_5> then 1 year
11:42 <+md_5> then 3 or 4 years
11:42 <+md_5> then 'years'
11:42 <+md_5> then 19 years
11:43 < pbunny> md_5: iirc the last line wasn't about C
11:43 <+md_5> you are wildly inconsistant with how long you have been able to program
11:43 <+md_5> pbunny so 1 year, 3 year, or 4 years of C
11:43 <+md_5> you told me 1 year
11:43 <+md_5> and you told lahwra_n 3 or 4
11:43 < pbunny> md_5: it's a superposition of time
11:43 < pbunny> so it can be 15, 1, 3 and 4 at the same time
11:43 <+md_5> and then you said 15 years of programming experience
11:43 < pbunny> think physics
11:43 <+md_5> and today you said 19 years
11:44 < pbunny> yes, it is true, too
11:44 < pbunny> because time does not exist
11:44 < AnotherOne> lol
11:44 <+md_5> > trying to prove lie by disproving time
11:44 <+md_5> good job mate
11:44 < zutto> md_5: well, in some universes the speed of time varies
11:44 <+md_5> zutto and in others people tell the truth
11:44 < SinZ> Sometimes I wonder why SirCmpwn is banned, but pbunny isn't
11:44 < zutto> thats true too
11:44 < pbunny> md_5: if time does not exist, 15 years is the same as 1 year
11:44 < pbunny> right?
11:44 < SinZ> no
11:44 < zutto> no
11:44 < pbunny> whatever
11:44 < dav1d> no
11:45 < AnotherOne> NaN != NaN :)
11:45 <+ammar2> SinZ: well he isn't being a dick to newcomers
11:45 <+md_5> you are like the kid in my class who tried to say that a volcano eruption wodulnt have been as catastrophic as it was if the universe and thus the volcano didnt exist
11:45 < dav1d> ammar2: well he was totally right about pbunny 
11:45 < SinZ> ammar2: he is just being a pest in general, with lolzsec being in his hostname
11:46 <+ammar2> oh come on, you aren't taking hostnames seriously are you ;)
11:46 < pbunny> SinZ: i'm sorry for being a pest
11:46 < AnotherOne> as if lolzsec is bad...
11:46 <+ammar2> anyway, he isn't distrupting any on topic conversation, he's just being really stupid
11:47 < dav1d> ammar2: except the piracy part no one seems to care
11:47 < pbunny> i don't pirate game dav1d 
11:47 < dav1d> ammar2: well in #minecraft they did...
11:47 < dav1d> happy ban
11:47 < pbunny> dav1d: i'm not banned there
11:47 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130108.log:[00:15:10] <pbunny> is client's source code obtainable?
11:47 <+md_5> freenode_#mcdevs_20130108.log:[00:15:17] <pbunny> i can make a patched client for my server
11:47 < dav1d> pbunny: come on
11:47 <+md_5> lol
11:47 < dav1d> Dagmar banned you
11:47 <+md_5> you dont even own the game m8
11:47 < dav1d> we talked about you even in privmsg
11:47 < pbunny> dav1d: yeah, he believed your lies :p
11:48 < pbunny> that's how familiarship works
11:48 < dav1d> no, that was after the ban
11:48 <+md_5>  <pbunny> will giant pigs made of pigs that get player into their month and stomach and digest there be laggy for client?
11:48 <+md_5> LOL
11:48 <+md_5> quote of the year
11:48 < dav1d> and we were laughing about your C skills
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11:48 < dav1d> I had a few quotes for him
11:48 < pbunny> dav1d: only you were and a couple of imaginary friends perhaps
11:48 < dav1d> I wish I had my logs 
11:49 <+md_5> ooh
11:49 <+md_5> I have some logs from ##c with pbunny 
11:49 < pbunny> :)
11:49  * pbunny grabs popcorn
11:49 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130205.log:[21:19:34] <md_5> <pbunny> a year
11:49 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130205.log:[21:19:34] <md_5> <pbunny> i know everything though
11:50 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130205.log:[22:10:41] <pbunny> Zhivago: if i use only open source software, i can inspect it and make myself sure it's free of government backdoors
11:50 <+md_5> lol
11:50 <+md_5> lets read entire gnu/linux + all system utils
11:50 < pbunny> md_5: true
11:50 < pbunny> md_5: i read them
11:50 <+md_5> yup
11:50 <+md_5> all 100 million lines of code
11:50 < Zachoz> that was a funny joke
11:50 <+md_5> probably more
11:50 < pbunny> sure, no problem
11:50 < pbunny> i read line 10 lines / s
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11:51 < SinZ> be sure to inspect the compilers aswell
11:51 <+md_5> gnu/linux core is 54 million lines of code
11:51 <+md_5> thats just the kernel + coreutils
11:51 < pbunny> md_5: took me ~2 months
11:51 <+md_5> uh huh
11:51 < pbunny> then i read only changelogs
11:51 <+md_5>  five million four hundred thousand seconds
11:52 <+md_5> or 1500 hours
11:52 <+md_5> or 62 days
11:52 < pbunny> yes
11:52 <+md_5> of non stop code reading
11:52 <+md_5> yup
11:52 <+md_5> totally
11:52 < pbunny> well maybe 3 months
11:52 <+md_5> what about your irc client and whatever else you have
11:52 < dav1d> lol
11:52 <+md_5> I guarantee you have more than just busybox and the kernel installed
11:52 < dav1d> that is just stuipid
11:53 <+md_5> even if you read 8 hours a day
11:53 <+md_5> thats 6 months
11:53 <+md_5> you really expect me to believe that for 8 hours a day for half a year all you did was read code....
11:53 <+md_5> .you really are retarded
11:53 < pbunny> md_5: more like 20 h/day
11:53 < pbunny> md_5: well i had to do it
11:53 <+md_5> yeah
11:53 < pbunny> otherwise i couldn't be sure in my safety
11:54 < pbunny> the only other variant was coding own OS
11:54 <+md_5> so 4 hours a day to sleep, eat, drink and poop
11:54 < dav1d> lol
11:54 <+md_5> sounds like a life you have got there
11:54 < dav1d> "otherwise i couldn't be sure in my safety"
11:54 < dav1d> what if the kernel wasn't "secure"?
11:54 < pbunny> md_5: i used computer in toilet so 'pool' didn't take time
11:54 < dav1d> would you use windows?
11:54 < dav1d> lol
11:54 <+md_5> godammit where is TkTech 
11:54 < pbunny> i ate there too as there was refridgerator
11:54 <+md_5> now I want ban
11:54 <+md_5> conciously trolling
11:55 < pbunny> md_5: fun isn't forbidded here
11:55 < SinZ> trolling != fun
11:55 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130205.log:[23:55:58] <pbunny> oop is unneeded garbage that simplifies the task for wannabees that can't model algorithms well
11:55 <+md_5> LOL
11:55 < pbunny> i think you don't know what trolling is
11:55 <+md_5> oop is garbage
11:55 <+md_5> please
11:55 < pbunny> sure it is
11:55 <+md_5> are you high
11:55 <+md_5> lets go back to lisp shall we
11:55 < pbunny> no, C is good enough
11:55 < dav1d> funny, you use pointers with functions which take the pointer as first argument
11:56 < pbunny> lisp is cute though
11:56 < dav1d> mh
11:56 < dav1d> sounds like oop, now throw in a few function pointers and you have a vtable
11:56 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130207.log:[22:41:15] <pbunny> hi, how many threads (pthreads) can i use until they will hog performance too much?
11:56 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130207.log:[22:41:55] <pbunny> thx, 129 seems good enough
11:56 <+md_5> > processor cannot run 1/4 of those threads
11:57 < pbunny> md_5: good one
11:57 <+md_5> 129 threads is not better performance than 16
11:57 <+md_5> freenode_##c_20130226.log:[00:27:45] <pbunny> hi, how CPU-intensive is abs() function?
11:57 < dav1d> woot
11:58 < pbunny> md_5: ps -eLf | wc -l
11:58 <+ammar2> pbunny: have you also read the code for your BIOS and any other hardware?
11:58 < dav1d> you could inline abs with macros?
11:58 < pbunny> that's the number of threads your system is currently running
11:58 <+ammar2> maybe the government hid backdoors there
11:59 <+md_5> abs is approx 6 instructions long
11:59 < pbunny> md_5: yeah, but caching abs result is only 1 instruction long
11:59 <+md_5> lolwat
11:59 < pbunny> md_5: the question was to determine whether it's worth to cache intermediate abs results inside physics loop
12:00 <+md_5> hm
12:00 < pbunny> i.e. mc_double fz=fabs(entity->zpos) or something
12:00 <+md_5> got it down to 3 instructions
12:00 < zutto> pbunny: going back to the old topic of you only using open sauce software, why are you using winblobs if you dont trust closed sauce?
12:01 < dav1d> holy fuck
12:01 <+md_5> uttin something onto the stack and taking it off again us 2 instructions
12:01 < dav1d> y u no use asm?
12:01 <+md_5> so best case you save 1 instruction, and its probably quicker to do the 3 cheap vs 2 costly, since the latter involves memory access
12:01 < pbunny> zutto: winblobs?
12:01 < zutto> microsoft winblobs
12:01 <+md_5> and the cpu can run billions of instructions a second anyway
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12:01 < pbunny> zutto: aah
12:01 <+ammar2> pbunny: you still haven't responded, have you read the proprietary code in your BIOS?
12:01 < zutto> the stolen code of OS/2
12:01 < zutto> you know, that thing
12:01 < pbunny> i use it only inside vm without network support
12:02 < zutto> without network support?
12:02 < pbunny> no insecureness there
12:02 <+md_5> sigh
12:02 < pbunny> zutto: sure
12:02 <+md_5> you are so clearly bullshitting right now
12:02 < dav1d> ammar2: of course, he reads opcodezzz
12:02 < zutto> yet i can access your server that is running winblobs from my interwebs
12:02 < pbunny> md_5: why?
12:02 < pbunny> zutto: nice one
12:03 < zutto> pbunny: curl -D - trolls.lv
12:04 < pbunny> aah, Server: WEBSERV.EXE 1.0.1 (MSDOS/6.22)
12:04 < zutto> thats your server, right?
12:04 < pbunny> seems legit
12:04 < pbunny> zutto: yeah, but it's MSDOS server
12:04 < pbunny> not winblobs
12:04 <+md_5> uh yeah
12:04 <+md_5> really hard to set an http header
12:04 < zutto> md_5: as if he even knows what headers are
12:05 < zutto> pbunny: yes, msdos is the result of os/2 that got turned into winblobs
12:05 < pbunny> zutto: i just ran WEBSERV.EXE and website created
12:05 <+md_5> someone petition TkTech , I feel I need promotion to op
12:05 < pbunny> md_5: no. you are too dangerous
12:05  * md_5 makes ban pbunny wiki page
12:05 < pbunny> i vote against
12:05 < SinZ> unfortunally you have no friends
12:05 <+md_5> pbunny that would be why I --own-- channels twice the size of this
12:05 < zutto> this channel could use more moderators, and md_5 seems like a proper guy for the job
12:06 <+md_5> #md_5 on another network has more users than this channel
12:06 < pbunny> md_5: good. i can set up irc server on localhost and flood it with bots too
12:06 <+md_5> http://screencloud.net/v/sY8
12:06 <+md_5> fine looking bots
12:07 < pbunny> md_5: btw, there are better name generators online
12:07 <+md_5> this kid
12:07 < pbunny> i.e. you can use _ instead of | , too
12:08 < pbunny> md_5: when will the wiki page be up?
12:08 <+md_5> http://www.wiki.vg/User:Md_5/pbunny
12:09 <+md_5> pls sign guys
12:09  * md_5 spans refresh and waits
12:09 < dav1d> md_5: you have BDoubleO in you channel :O
12:10 <+md_5> dav1d yeah
12:10 < pbunny> how do i "sign my name with ~" ?
12:10 < pbunny> i'm not very familiar with wiki
12:10 <+md_5> pbunny wiki 101: ~~~~ turns into your sig
12:10 <+ammar2> edit page, add "~~~~" under the last line
12:10 < pbunny> aah
12:10 < dav1d> md_5: isn't really him? o.O
12:10 <+md_5> dav1d it is
12:10 < SinZ> aigned
12:11 < SinZ> signed*
12:11 < dav1d> md_5: lol, why is he in your channel?
12:11 <+md_5> dav1d top bloke
12:11 < dav1d> spigot?
12:11 < SinZ> though it refused to show my name for some reason
12:11 <+md_5> lots of people are in my channel
12:11 <+md_5> he just hangs out
12:11 <+md_5> think he used bungee at one stae
12:11 <+md_5> no name
12:11 < dav1d> cool story
12:11 <+md_5> think you need to make a user page SinZ 
12:14 < SinZ> re-signed for accuracy
12:14 <+md_5> lets move wiki to git: https://github.com/md-5/TestWiki/blob/master/README.mediawiki
12:14 <+md_5> worked pretty well
12:15 < pbunny> lol, why?
12:16 < SinZ> pretty
12:16 <+ammar2> pbunny: don't worry m8, I've vouched to give you op + unrestricted access
12:17 <+md_5> shows just how bad the wiki markup is though, people have been careless over the yeras
12:17 <+md_5> we should really revive mcdevs
12:17 < SinZ> its just that mcdevs isn't needed as much anymore
12:17 < SinZ> because modding is so big
12:17 < SinZ> but in classic, noone liked mods, custom implementations were the way to go
12:17 < AnotherOne> isn't it alive?:)
12:17 <+md_5> Would still be nice to get proper documentation
12:18 <+md_5> a lot of the info and stuff is dubious and has gotten messy over the years
12:19 <+md_5> also everyone still using the kev009 url
12:19 < AnotherOne> yep
12:19 <+md_5> that really should be 302 moved permanently
12:19 < pbunny> ammar2: oh thats nice
12:20 < AnotherOne> so what is the problem with it?
12:21 <+pdelvo> md_5 I signed your page
12:21 <+md_5> no you didnt lol
12:22 <+pdelvo> Im pretty sure I did
12:22 <+ammar2> he did
12:22 <+md_5> I see ammar, sinz, pdelvo 
12:23 <+md_5> even force refreshed
12:23 <+pdelvo> I am pdelvo
12:23 <+md_5> oh
12:23 < pbunny> lol
12:23 <+ammar2> ...
12:23 <+md_5> I read you as pbunny 
12:23 <+md_5> really sorry about that
12:23 <+pdelvo> :D
12:23 <+md_5> wouldnt want to confuse you with him....
12:23 < AnotherOne> why ban him?
12:23 < AnotherOne> he is ok i think
12:23 < pbunny> AnotherOne: md5 is fun-allergic
12:24 < pbunny> md_5 it is
12:24 <+md_5> ok i think > biggest troll this channel has ever seen
12:24 < pbunny> i don't agree
12:24 <+ammar2> I don't see the point of removing him unless he starts to distrupt on topic conversation
12:25 <+ammar2> not like this channel is used for much anyway
12:25 <+md_5> ammar2 thats the problem, it needs to be used for more
12:25 <+pdelvo> You can sign against it, I think
12:25 <+ammar2> md_5: well until it is, pbunny is our main form of activity be it for good or bad
12:26 <+pdelvo> then we should let SirCmpwn come back
12:26 < pbunny> pdelvo: btw, i also fix wiki.vg/Protocol page and generally help people here
12:26 <+ammar2> pdelvo: SirCmpwn was a dick to people, pbunny doesn't do that
12:27 < SinZ> Some day, we should reinvite SirCmpwn here just to yell at pbunny for an hour or so
12:28 <+md_5> / The Minecraft and Minecraft Realms teams
12:28 <+md_5> stupid how they keep signing off as both
12:28 < SinZ> 1.5.2 was mostly backend Minecraft Realms stuff
12:28 < SinZ> just look at b.wiki.vg
12:30 <+pdelvo> Nice to see that is it updated again :)
12:35 <+pdelvo> I like the idea having the wiki on github, but then it would not be editable by everyone and someone have to pull changes in manually
12:35 < pbunny> pdelvo: i don't see any point in github because wiki itself has contribution system built in
12:36 < pbunny> i doubt somebody has need to push changes via git instead of using web form
12:36 <+pdelvo> when we have it on github we dont need a pre release page. we can have a pre release branch
12:37 <+pdelvo> and it would be much less work to merge it in when a new version comes out
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12:37 <+pdelvo> putting the changes from the pre release page in the main page can take some time
12:37 <+pdelvo> and we can put tags on it for every version 
12:39 <+pdelvo> and you can edit it on github without cloning it to your computer, too
12:39 < pbunny> well "not be editable by everyone" is a good point
12:40 < pbunny> i thought of keeping wiki while having github, so that updates on wiki will be automatically pushed to github and counterwise
12:41 <+pdelvo> but when we create a organisation with, e.g. everyone wth voice in here. this would be enough people for accepting pull requests. 
12:41 < AnotherOne> how to counter cheaters?
12:42 < pbunny> pdelvo: what if md_5 won't accept my request just because i'm pbunny ?
12:42 < pbunny> this won't be productive
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12:42 < pbunny> AnotherOne: with server-side checking
12:42 <+pdelvo> I dont think that he would do this if you made something good. and someone else could pull it in
12:43 < AnotherOne> i play on a pirated server, and admins absolutely dont care about the fact every second retard is using nodus
12:43 < AnotherOne> i can kill two of them alone in tunnels, but in open space...
12:43 < AnotherOne> no chance
12:44 < AnotherOne> i can just find another server, but i want to pwn betches
12:44 < AnotherOne> mb there are some cheats against cheaters?
12:44 < pbunny> aah, it's hard to counter cheaters if you're not admin or server dev
12:45 < AnotherOne> i want to make bruteforce with my protocol lib, crack admin and make a fukken disaster
12:45 < dav1d> lol
12:45 < dav1d> how old are you?
12:45 < AnotherOne> 20, lol
12:45 < AnotherOne> why are you asking?
12:46 < dav1d> I would have expected such a reaction from a max. 12 year old
12:46 < pbunny> AnotherOne: bruteforce usually leads to IP ban, not admin cracking
12:46 < AnotherOne> lol:)
12:46 < AnotherOne> as i said, admins dont do anything
12:47 < pbunny> AnotherOne: then they are part of conspiracy
12:47 < AnotherOne> dav1d: ok:)
12:49 < AnotherOne> well, i'll go to realize my evil plan :D
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12:54 < AnotherOne> i have a question. http://www.wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_List_Item_.280xC9.29 is this really sent 1 packet per tick? and if it is, why?
12:55 < Calinou> because mojang
12:55 < AnotherOne> i've tried to find a rational explaination:)
12:55 < AnotherOne> mb because of potentiol packet loss?
12:55 < AnotherOne> potential*
12:56 < AnotherOne> or only because mojang?
12:56 < dav1d> tcp doesnt lose packets
12:59 < AnotherOne> i've heard vanilla server drops some packets because of having no time to process them
12:59 < AnotherOne> what about client?
13:00 < AnotherOne> oh noes
13:00 < AnotherOne> here comes architecture change... again
13:00 < AnotherOne> fuk classes
13:00 < AnotherOne> fuk my noobness
13:08 < dx_> wot
13:09 < dx_> player list item 0xC9 was introduced in beta 1.8 or something like that right?
13:10 < SinZ> sounds about right
13:10 < dx_> bukkit nuked it right away, but dinnerbro didn't do anything about it in the vanilla server?
13:10 < dx_> so weird
13:10 < pbunny> **:54:54 AnotherOne | i've heard vanilla server drops some packets because of having no time to process them
13:10 < pbunny> if server 'drops' packet, he won't be able to process following packets
13:11 < pbunny> because he doesn't know how many bytes to skip
13:11 < pbunny> unless by 'dropping' you meant read packet to the end, then ignoring it
13:12 < pbunny> AnotherOne: as of 0xC9, my server currently doesn't send it at all and clients have no problems except they doesn't see players in list
13:12 < pbunny> so you can send it when you want, i.e. on player login or when other players login/logout
13:12 <+pdelvo> I really like that github idea. What about making an organisation. putting everyone who has voice in here in it to answer pull requests. You can edit pages on github weithout cloning them, and I think everyone(?) here have an github account
13:16 <+clonejo> dav1d: I was looking forward to that talk
13:17 < dav1d> clonejo: he covers mostly C++ -> D 
13:17 < dav1d> and what the benefits are
13:17 <+clonejo> nice
13:17 < dav1d> unfortunatly his work isn't opensource
13:17 <+clonejo> :-/
13:18 < dav1d> but he wants to do the work again (maybe even better) and opensource it
13:18 < dav1d> at least he said it
13:18 < dav1d> also he made std.simd, which isn't complete, unfortunatly
13:18 < dav1d> and I think he stopped working on it a while ago, no idea if it is dead
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13:19 < dav1d> clonejo: also dynamic reloading on file changes in realtime while the engine is running
13:19 < dav1d> this is awesome, was also thinking of doing something like this
13:20 < dav1d> but not only the dlls are swapped but sources are compiled when the change in debug/release mode then automatically swapped and you can swap to a debug build when you need to debug something
13:20 < dav1d> amazing
13:21 <+clonejo> awesome :3
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13:28 < AnotherOne> d sux
13:28 < AnotherOne> 2 standard libraries wtf
13:28 <+clonejo> AnotherOne: Isn't Tango D1 only?
13:28 < AnotherOne> i dunno