22:09 < dav1d> kk
22:09 <+Matvei> Sorry about the nick confusion
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22:20 < oyasunadev_> why change your nick?
22:21 <+Matvei> felt like it.
22:21 < oyasunadev_> haha ok
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22:48 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/e9SlcA
22:48 < Not-002> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 6776da7 - Link to site
23:03 < oyasunadev_> how would i get my github linked to this?
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23:04 < jast> notifico works as a webhook
23:05 < jast> sign up with notifico (n.tkte.ch), create a hook, add it to your github repo
23:05 < jast> you'll want to make sure the channel owner (it can post to any channel) doesn't mind
23:06 < oyasunadev_> who is the owner?
23:06 < jast> I'm fairly sure you'll be okay here if it's a minecraft-related project
23:06 < oyasunadev_> it is minecraft related yes
23:06 < jast> after all, plenty of people have it post updates here
23:06 < dexter0> TKT.ech is the owner
23:06 < oyasunadev_> thank you
23:06 < dexter0> (minus the .)
23:07 < jast> since he runs notifico, too, he can just remove your hook if it annoys him ;)
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19:44 < ellisvlad> hi
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19:45 < ellisvlad> Wondering if anyone can help me?
19:45 < ellisvlad> I'm developing some minecraft server software
19:45 < ellisvlad> and I'm struggling to understand how you send the right packets for a dropped itemstack to spawn
19:47 < ellisvlad> can anyone help?
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19:49 < AnotherOne> ping
19:49 < ellisvlad> hi
19:49 < AnotherOne> hi
19:50 < ellisvlad> Having trouble with some minecraft server coding... would you be able to help? :)
19:50 < AnotherOne> oh... im not sure but try it
19:52 < ellisvlad> My server software isn't receiving the Start Digging part of http://www.wiki.vg/Protocol#0x0E
19:52 < ellisvlad> All I get are alot of arm swings and a Finish digging packet at the end
19:53 < ellisvlad> Not sure exactly what is wrong
19:55 < AnotherOne> try to dump packets coming from client
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19:59 < AnotherOne> why can i send messages without identifying?
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20:09 < Yoshi2> AnotherOne: because nickname regisration and indentification is not required on IRC
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20:25 < ellisvlad> Hmm, I've logged all the packets sent by the client, and still only see 0x0E once, when the player stops digging
20:38 < ellisvlad> Really can;t figure this out lol
20:38 < ellisvlad> when the player just hits a block or starts digging, I don't get any Start Dig bpackets coming through
20:39 < ellisvlad> but when the player has been dug through a block, then the Start Cancel and Finish Dig packets come through normally
20:42 < ellisvlad> Anyone know why this might be?
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21:20 < AnotherOne> mb official client is saving resources?
21:20 < AnotherOne> it sends both packets on successful diging (thas is calculated client-side)
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21:23 < ellisvlad> Hmm?
21:23 < ellisvlad> How does the server know when to start sending the block breaking animation?
21:24 < ellisvlad> which packet (and when) is sent?
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21:33 < AnotherOne> is it sending that animation?
21:34 < ellisvlad> which packd
21:34 < AnotherOne> i dont know much about that part of protocol, but doing that is too stupid even for people who send arrow shot in digging paket
21:34 < ellisvlad> *packet wuld that be?
21:35 < ellisvlad> ah yes, it does send the animation
21:35 < AnotherOne> what packet id?
21:35 < ellisvlad> http://www.wiki.vg/Protocol#0x12
21:35 < ellisvlad> 0x12
21:36 < ellisvlad> but there is no way to check which block is being broken
21:36 < ellisvlad> unless..
21:36 < AnotherOne> oh
21:36 < AnotherOne> wtf mojang
21:37 < ellisvlad> no, can't hink
21:37 < ellisvlad> *think
21:38 < ellisvlad> hmm
21:38 < AnotherOne> hey
21:38 < AnotherOne> mb "damage animation" is mob damage?
21:39 < AnotherOne> block got its animation even during hard lag 
21:39 < AnotherOne> i must check this
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21:40 < ellisvlad> yeah, but I can't find a way to find which block is being damaged
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21:42 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath e8603f5 - Update with changes to soulsand's command system
21:51 < AnotherOne> some magic with cross position?
21:54 < AnotherOne> hey ellis
21:55 < Yoshi2> the client should send a Player Digging packet, there is no other way for the server to determine where the block that is being hit is located
21:56 < ellisvlad> hmm
21:57 < ellisvlad> so the server has to calculate it baseed on the player's last position?
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21:58 < Yoshi2> the server shouldn't need to do any complex calculations to get the position of a block that is being broken
21:59 < ellisvlad> hmm, what tells the server which block to start doing the block breaking animation on then?
22:00 < TkTech> It doesn't need to do anything "complex" but it also shouldn't blindly be trusting the client...
22:00 < TkTech> You know where the player model is, you know where it's looking, you know what it should and should not be able to hit...
22:01 < ellisvlad> but how do I know which block is hit, for example with a button
22:02 < ellisvlad> Packet 0x0E gives block coordinates, but the server only seems to recevie this packet once the block has been destroyed?
22:07 < ellisvlad> unless I'm missing somthing really obvious?
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22:09 < AnotherOne|2> did i miss something?
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22:14 < ellisvlad> ohh
22:14 < ellisvlad> I see where the confsuion is
22:14 < ellisvlad> I'm making a server, not a client :P
22:15 < ellisvlad> and my server is not recieivng the Start Digging packet correctly
22:18 < Yoshi2> I've thought so much that you're working on a server, I'm still puzzled as to why the client wouldn't send a Player Digging packet when it starts digging
22:19 < ellisvlad> Give me a sec and I'll show what I get
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22:38 < ellisvlad> Sorry got distracted
22:38 < ellisvlad> anyway, I'll show you what I mean
22:45 < ellisvlad> Hmm, how best to show you this
22:51 < ellisvlad> ok
22:51 < ellisvlad> anyone still here?
22:52 < ellisvlad> I recorded what I am trying to say
22:52 < ellisvlad> http://www.twitch.tv/ellisvlad/b/403547638
22:52 < ellisvlad> this is the problem
22:53 < ellisvlad> I don't see how I can find the coords of the block before it is broken
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23:03 < AnotherOne> looks like i almost understand what you need
23:04 < ellisvlad> lol, know how I can fix it? c:
23:07 < AnotherOne> oh fock
23:07 < ellisvlad> hmm?
23:07 < AnotherOne> eureka or how it is right...
23:07 < ellisvlad> :D?
23:07 < AnotherOne> oh no
23:08 < AnotherOne> not that one
23:08 < ellisvlad> :(
23:08 < AnotherOne> let's start again
23:08 < AnotherOne> why do you need that block;s coords?
23:09 < AnotherOne> aha
23:09 < ellisvlad> so that the server can tell all the other players that the block is being dug, and that they should start to "crack" the block
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23:11 < AnotherOne> did you try it with vanilla client?
23:11 < ellisvlad> yeah, it is vanilla client connected to my server
23:11 < AnotherOne> just an interface pack?
23:12 < ellisvlad> yeah
23:13 < AnotherOne> damn
23:14 < AnotherOne> looks like it is a client problem
23:14 < ellisvlad> :(
23:14 < ellisvlad> It works fine on the vanilla server
23:14 < ellisvlad> somehow
23:15 < Thinkofdeath> I get a status of 0 when the player starts digging on my server
23:16 < ellisvlad> hmm weird...
23:18 < AnotherOne> do you have github?
23:19 < AnotherOne> i see your server is written in c++. how is your data exchange made? a stream?
23:21 < ellisvlad> I havn't put this project on github, it's still quite new. And yes, it is sent in a socket stream
23:21 < AnotherOne> boost?
23:21 < ellisvlad> nope, pure sockets
23:21 < AnotherOne> how old is it?:)
23:21 < ellisvlad> almost a week xD
23:22 < AnotherOne> fuck
23:22 < AnotherOne> almost fully functional server in a week?
23:22 < ellisvlad> this has been the first problem (except some annoyances with sending chunks)
23:22 < AnotherOne> good good
23:22 < ellisvlad> lol
23:22 < ellisvlad> still a little way from functional ;)
23:23 < AnotherOne> time for me to let butthurt flow through me
23:23 < ellisvlad> lol
23:24 < AnotherOne> can you explain sockets for me a bit?
23:24 < AnotherOne> how do you read packets?
23:24 < ellisvlad> but yes, so far I've got Chunk generation, Chunk Saving/Loading, Player leaving/joining, chat, some VERY basic commands, inventory, and block placing...no breaking yet -.-
23:24 < ellisvlad> sockets
23:24 < AnotherOne> code and then rest of it?
23:25 < ellisvlad> kk
23:25 < ellisvlad> well, I just set up a listening socket and then with all new connections I create a thread and let them continue in the thread.
23:26 < ellisvlad> http://puu.sh/2TyI7.png
23:26 < ellisvlad> linux code btw
23:27 < ellisvlad> then it gets a little more confusing when a player makes a connection
23:27 < ellisvlad> continuing from the previous screenshot
23:27 < ellisvlad> http://puu.sh/2TyOm.png
23:28 < TkTech> ellisvlad: For the love of noodles, http://gist.github.com
23:28 < ellisvlad> lol
23:29 < AnotherOne> let me see PlayerSocketHandler please
23:30 < ellisvlad> Its much harder to copy and paste code because I'm on windows and am coding on a Linux virtual machine, that is very tempermental with copy and paste xD
23:31 < AnotherOne> ok i'll try to explain what i want
23:31 < ellisvlad> PlayerSocketHandler is very big lol
23:31 < ellisvlad> the essence is the receiving and sending functions
23:32 < ellisvlad> which just use send(sock, buff, buff_len, MSG_NOSIGNAL); and recv(sock, buff, buff_len, MSG_NOSIGNAL);
23:32 < AnotherOne> what if i get messages to my socket and dont read them? are they stored?
23:33 < AnotherOne> damn my little socket knowledge
23:33 < ellisvlad> send and recv are in blocking mode by deafult
23:33 < ellisvlad> *default
23:34 < ellisvlad> so recv will freeze up the thread until data is received or the socket closes
23:36 < AnotherOne> i use sdlnet
23:36 < ellisvlad> oh right, I remember sdl
23:37 < AnotherOne> and want to switch to boost::asio
23:37 < ellisvlad> boost is very powerful
23:38 < AnotherOne> right now i have a thread that constantly calls recv and stores received packets to std::stringstream
23:38 < AnotherOne> then i read messages from it
23:38 < ellisvlad> but I have always prefered working as barebones as I could, with absolute minimal dependacies.
23:38 < AnotherOne> is it ok?
23:38 < ellisvlad> yeah that is fine
23:39 < ellisvlad> I do everything as minimally dependant as possible because I love to keep poformance and memory usage at a minimal
23:41 < ellisvlad> with noone connected to my minecraft server, it sits at ~800KB RAM http://puu.sh/2TzHi.png
23:42 < ellisvlad> and then it is 10MB per player
23:42 < ellisvlad> http://puu.sh/2TzOJ.jpg
23:44 < ellisvlad> grr, this block damage thing is really annoying me
23:44 < AnotherOne> nice, nice
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23:44 < AnotherOne> good luck man, make a good server that does not want annoying own launcher
23:45 < ellisvlad> ;)
23:45 < ellisvlad> what I did for the packets being received by the server was have that PlayerSocketHandler wait for recv to dump some data into the player's data buffer.
23:46 < ellisvlad> because the recv is blocking, it will hang until some data is received or the player leaves
23:46 < ellisvlad> so I then check if the buffer contains any data, if it is empty, then the player closed the socket.
23:46 < AnotherOne> try boost::asio
23:46 < ellisvlad> if there is data, then handle it and go again
23:47 < ellisvlad> I was thinking about boost, but because the main goal in making this server is to keep Memroy usage as minimal as possible, I'm affraid of the footprint most libraries leave
23:47 < AnotherOne> and what if you got half of a packet at a moment of handling?
23:49 < AnotherOne> vanilla server likes to send 0x38 chunk bulk in several packets
23:49 < ellisvlad> because it is a server, there shouldn't be a problem with incomplete packets
23:51 < ellisvlad> But I have tried to avoid most of the standard or library classes and functions. e.g. I found that when using very large vectors (to sotre all the chunks that were visible by the player) that even after they were deleted and cleared, the vector still had alot of memory allocted to it
23:52 < ellisvlad> so instead I made my own vector class, partly for the experience of doing so
23:53 < AnotherOne> but what if...
23:53 < AnotherOne> can you hadnle multiple messages in one packet?
23:53 < ellisvlad> yes
23:53 < ellisvlad> yes and no..
23:54 < ellisvlad> when the packet has finished being handled, the buffer should have all been read and used, so the buffer cursor should be at the end
23:55 < ellisvlad> if it is not at the end, then it attemppts to handle the buffer again, but starting from the current cursor position
23:56 < ellisvlad> However many of my packet handlers send data back to the player, and each playeronly has one buffer, which is cleared when new data is being sent
23:57 < ellisvlad> so in most cases, the buffer is cleared during the handling of the packet :/
23:57 < ellisvlad> anyway, I'm going to get somthing to eat
23:57 < ellisvlad> back soon
23:58 < AnotherOne> maybe you lose digging start message because of this?
23:58 < AnotherOne> k
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00:27 < AnotherOne> ping
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05:13 < dylanisawesome1> hello, I'm making a little program that logins in to minecraft.net with a classic account, but how would I retrieve the verification key once i've gotten the auth key?
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06:17 < Not-003> [wiki] Edit by Aadnk to Protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/cdz4p2l
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10:33 < ellisvlad> hey :)
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10:44 < AnotherOne> sup
10:45 < pbunny> \/
10:46 < ellisvlad> Anotherone: Thank you so much for your help yesturday, I added another buffer for the player, so that the read and write buffers are seperate...
10:46 < ellisvlad> and what do you know, the dig start packet was sent on the end of a player position packet
10:46 < ellisvlad> so it is working good now :D
10:49 < Yoshi2> ah, so your server somehow lost the dig start packet? It's good that you were able to fix it
10:52 < ellisvlad> yeah thanks :) I assumed that each packet would be received by recv() seperately, completely forgeot that they build up
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10:56 < Yoshi2> that's what I thought when I worked on my first minecraft server, which was my first minecraft project and my second networks-related project ever
10:56 < Yoshi2> needless to say, it did not work very well and regulary ate packets
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11:26 < AnotherOne> ellisvlad: np man:)
11:27 < AnotherOne> looks like everyone who had eved made a network application faced this
11:28 < ellisvlad> lol
11:49 < pbunny> i haven't
11:50 < AnotherOne> heh
11:50 < AnotherOne> you are good then
11:50 <+Fador> 00:39 < ellisvlad> I do everything as minimally dependant as possible because I love to keep poformance and memory usage at a minimal
11:51 <+Fador> pbunny can help with that! ;)
11:51 < AnotherOne> cmon, tell us about reinventing a wheel Fador:)
11:51 < AnotherOne> oh
11:52 <+Fador> ..and I just use single thread and libevent to handle everything ;)
11:54 < AnotherOne> server?
11:55 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver
11:56 < AnotherOne> but what if there are more players online than a single core can handle?
11:57 <+Fador> then it'll slow down? ;D
11:57 <+Fador> but I'm pretty sure the server can handle 100+ players
11:59 < AnotherOne> why a single thread? is potential slowdown better than f**king with threads?
11:59 <+Fador> I dont have any reason to add more threads really
11:59 <+Fador> (I've studied concurrency at the university etc..)
12:00 < AnotherOne> ok, you know it better:)
12:00 <+Fador> what I could do is add couple of threads to generate the map and that's it ;)
12:05 < pbunny> Fador: i used single thread first too, but then i changed it to thread-per-connection because some intensive tasks can occur within client connection context
12:05 < pbunny> now its like http://dpaste.org/zO7F0/
12:05 < pbunny> i added --with-mtl option to configure, will benchmark it when everything's ready
12:06 < pbunny> i.e. chunks deflating happens in connection thread
12:06 < pbunny> various surrounding entities loops
12:06 < pbunny> etc
12:06 < pbunny> offloading that to world threads will add latency
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12:07 < pbunny> ( http://dpaste.org/mVRvy/ - that's a .h for that )
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12:25 < AnotherOne> f**k boost
12:39 < ellisvlad> ok, now a serious question, not just a derp in my coding :P
12:40 < ellisvlad> What should be sent to the client for them to make an ItemStack appear dropped on the ground?
12:42 < AnotherOne> good question:)
12:43 < AnotherOne> idk, dump more traffic from vanilla server
12:46 < pbunny> ellisvlad: http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Spawn_Object.2FVehicle_.280x17.29
12:47 < pbunny> ellisvlad: http://dpaste.org/OCDKr/
12:47 < pbunny> i think specifying quantity > 1 should make client display it as stack
12:47 < pbunny> yes.
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12:48 < pbunny> ellisvlad: aah, it's 0x17 followed by 0x28 (which specifies item properties)
12:48 < pbunny> see the dpaste
12:49 < ellisvlad> ah thanks :)
12:50 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/include/protocol.h#L265 another example ;)
12:50 < ellisvlad> that would make sense
12:50 < ellisvlad> I was doing the 0x17 fine and the client was making a new entity...but I couldn't see it :P
12:51 < ellisvlad> whenever I tried sending 0x28 I was missing the NBT data
12:51 < ellisvlad> and that crashed me every time -.-
12:51 < pbunny> ellisvlad: make sure you send -1 as 0xffff
12:52 < pbunny> if you don't provide NBT data
12:52 < ellisvlad> yup thanks :)
12:52 < pbunny> ellisvlad: also send http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Entity_Velocity_.280x1C.29 somewhere after 0x28 in case you don't want client to apply its own physics to item entity (i.e. its falling to random side)
12:53 < ellisvlad> thanks again :D
12:53 < pbunny> np :p
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13:12 < AnotherOne> Fador
13:12 < AnotherOne> show me the file where packet class is defined please
13:18 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/include/packets.h#L128
13:18 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/packets.cpp#L1590
13:23 < AnotherOne> heh
13:23 < AnotherOne> i did it different way
13:24 <+Fador> ;)
13:25 < AnotherOne> and i dont know what way is better
13:25 < AnotherOne> but we'll see
13:36 < ellisvlad> grr, still having grief with this itemstack droppibng xD
13:36 < ellisvlad> *dropping
13:37 < pbunny> why?
13:37 < ellisvlad> the correct stack is dropped, but the coordinates are really wrong
13:37 < ellisvlad> its dropping very close to y=0
13:37 < ellisvlad> and then it floats up through the blocks after a few seconds lol
13:38 < pbunny> ellisvlad: multiply coords by 32
13:38 < pbunny> see my paste
13:38 < pbunny> http://dpaste.org/OCDKr/
13:38 < pbunny> and angles too need some modifying
13:39 < ellisvlad> http://dpaste.org/J2A5c
13:39 < ellisvlad> that is what I have got
13:40 < ellisvlad> using 3525 as the stack's entity ID
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13:43 < ellisvlad_> omg nvm
13:43 < ellisvlad_> I was sending the loc was all nulled
13:43 < ellisvlad_> so it was spawning at 0, 0, 0
13:43 < AnotherOne> hehe
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13:45 < ellisvlad_> http://puu.sh/2TU1C.jpg
13:46 < pbunny> :)
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14:17 < AnotherOne> hey people
14:17 < AnotherOne> what is this? http://www.wiki.vg/Protocol#Teams_.280xD1.29
14:20 < Yoshi2> an attempt by the minecraft devs to bring vanilla minecraft up to par with modded minecraft, as far as I can tell
14:26 < AnotherOne> i've logged packets from some pirated bukkit server
14:27 < AnotherOne> and got ~20kb of this
14:27 < AnotherOne> can this packet just be ignored?
14:41 < ellisvlad_> Its for the sidebar and text above entities
14:48 < AnotherOne> oh
15:11 < SinZ> zzz, more pirates
15:12 < pbunny> pirates are nasty
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15:19 < AnotherOne> nope:)
15:24 < pbunny> https://ssl4.lon.gb.securedata.net/toygrotto.net/merchantmanager/images/uploads/nasty%20pirate%209176.JPG
15:25 < AnotherOne> not bad, not bad:)
15:28 < AnotherOne> dman
15:28 < AnotherOne> damn
15:28 < AnotherOne> i hate when my program's architecture changes
15:28 < pbunny> hating isn't efficient for programming
15:29 < AnotherOne> true
15:30 < AnotherOne> and dat inheritance
15:30 < ellisvlad_> fml
15:30 < AnotherOne> wtf?:)
15:31 < ellisvlad_> Working on some cave generation code and atm I have it so that there is a 1 in 10 chance that any chunck has a cave's entrance in it, if it has an entrance, it generates the whole cave
15:31 < ellisvlad_> when a cave is generated, it may need to leave the chunk, and if it does need to, then the chunk it goes into is loaded and then modified
15:32 < ellisvlad_> only problem is... that is if the new chunk has not been generated before it also has a 1 in 10 chance of having a cave entrance on it
15:32 < AnotherOne> heh
15:33 < ellisvlad_> I ran my server and it didn't do anything for a bit...so I maxed the priority of the program and still nothing
15:33 < ellisvlad_> only problem now is that my pc is kinda frozen
15:33 < ellisvlad_> the mouse is lagging
15:33 < AnotherOne> INFINITE LOOPS FTW
15:33 < pbunny> :)
15:33 < ellisvlad_> and system monitor is reporting 800%cpu usage x.x
15:34 < pbunny> ellisvlad_: try using threads, it will make it more fun
15:34 <+Fador> #define EVER ;;
15:34 <+Fador> for(EVER) { ...
15:34 < pbunny> add threads support
15:34 < AnotherOne> lol
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15:34 < ellisvlad_> it is threaded lol
15:34 < AnotherOne> yup
15:34 < ellisvlad_> but each chunk is being generated in a new thread
15:34 < AnotherOne> LOLOLOLOLOL
15:34 < ellisvlad_> and it is running on all cores -.-
15:35 < ellisvlad_> I can't kill it x.x
15:35 < AnotherOne> RACES! MEMORY WARS!
15:35 < AnotherOne> fock it man, make a single thread for world generation
15:36 < pbunny> ellisvlad_: my world is multithreaded too, but i did it right
15:36 < AnotherOne> hey ellis
15:36 < AnotherOne> i have an idea for you
15:36 < pbunny> ellisvlad_: use valgrind --tool=drd 2>&1 | tee ouch.log
15:36 < AnotherOne> do you know about strategic oregen?
15:36 < pbunny> if hdd space is not of concern :p
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15:38 < ellisvlad> FINALLY
15:38 < ellisvlad> I;'m back alive
15:38 < ellisvlad> 3,624 chunks generated...http://puu.sh/2TWFr.png
15:38 < ellisvlad> lol
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15:39 < ellisvlad> not as many as I thought would generate lol
15:39 < ellisvlad> hmm, what is the best way to generate caves?
15:40 < pbunny> ellisvlad: lol..
15:40 < pbunny> forget about the performance. thanks
15:40 < ellisvlad> lol
15:40 < ellisvlad> hmm
16:09 < AnotherOne> what if you look into minecraft code?
16:10 < AnotherOne> or do you want your own generator?
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16:57 < Yoshi2> looking at minecraft's generation code is not exactly the greatest way to learn how to generate terrain features
16:58 < pbunny> ++
16:58 < pbunny> its only a way to get brain java
17:01 < AnotherOne> brain java
17:01 < AnotherOne> sounds like brain cancer
17:05 < pbunny> exactly
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20:49 < AnotherOne> omg fock protocol
20:49 < AnotherOne> im so tired of making message classes
20:50 < Yoshi2> you're disliking the way the protocol works? Welcome to the club
20:50 < AnotherOne> lol
20:55 < AnotherOne> does client have to send keep-alive messages?
20:56 < Yoshi2> yes
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20:57 < AnotherOne> how frequently?
20:57 < Yoshi2> every time the server sends a keep alive
20:59 < AnotherOne> does it send this packet 20 times a second?
20:59 < Yoshi2> definitely not
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21:17 < Not-003> [wiki] Edit by Windwaker to Server List -> http://tinyurl.com/bjld7uq
21:25 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/Q009HgTS
21:25 < AnotherOne> is it ok to do something like this?
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22:04 < eddyb> AnotherOne: reverse is silly for endianness conversion... the standard conversion (using shifts, bitwise OR and bitwise AND) doesn't require a loop and it's readily optimized (x86 has an instruction that does exactly that)
22:04 < AnotherOne> ok thanks
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22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 5dd5701 - Added stats command
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath cdf37b3 - NBT parser returns an error on read errors (Fixes #9)
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 3598b09 - Add error checking to protocol handling
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 20f2cad - Changes to view distance handling
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 1ed47e3 - Fixed crash on right clicking with item in hand
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 7880c39 - Fixed incorrect chunks loading
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath 207dc40 - World unloading
22:30 < Not-003> [netherrack] thinkofdeath e18554e - Decreased the time chunks hang around for
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05:37 < Not-003> [MinersLauncher] fragmer 62ccaf0 - 1.23: fixed log uploading (broken due to github API changes).
05:39 < Not-003> [MinersLauncher] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/hCyUKQ
05:39 < Not-003> [MinersLauncher] fragmer ddc9d37 - Updated readme
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06:18 < Not-003> [charged.github.com] fragmer 217e49a - Made a post regarding launcher updates 1.21-1.23
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07:42 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 951b251 - chunk: Introduce a constant for chunk height.
07:42 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 60b0b9a - Use CHUNK_HEIGHT in place of 256.
07:42 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson cca2977 - And update locations using 128 as well.
07:42 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson c96a572 - utilities/coords: Add a couple more iterators. xz-coords are presented as a constant because they weigh just over 1KiB on CPython and are computationally cheaper than an invocation of product() on both CPython and PyPy. CPython before: 34.6us CPython after: 15.2us CPython speedup: 2.28x PyPy before: 146us PyPy after: 1.29us PyPy speedup: 113.18x
07:42 < Not-003> [bravo] Corbin Simpson 1717a8d - And use new coord helpers. Tests lost about 4 seconds of runtime on PyPy. Encouraging!
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09:01 < Not-003> [Craft.Net] ggrote cd32db8 - - added cleaned chat message to Events/ChatMessageEventArgs.cs - fixed player position (y/stance) - added UpdateSign Handler - fixed MapChunkBulk and ChunkData Handlers - moved reading chunk from stream into single method - added LookAt and "basic" Move to MinecraftClient.Actions - fixed finding blocks by position
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12:53 < ellisvlad> Hi everyone :)
12:53 < pbunny> hi
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13:49 < ellisvlad> right...now to restart terrain generation lol
13:49 < ellisvlad> its all kinda broke
13:50 < ellisvlad> http://puu.sh/2TZ2q.jpg
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13:50 < ellisvlad> :D
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15:30 < TkTech> Morning all!
15:30 < TkTech> No objections to my changes earlier to the main page and protocol page?
15:33 < pbunny> link ?
15:33 < TkTech> http://wiki.vg/Special:RecentChanges
15:33 < TkTech> See my changes on the 12th of May.
15:40 < pbunny> who were the Great Old Ones? :p
15:40 < TkTech> Myself, aaera and ylt.
15:41 < TkTech> I wanted our names removed since so many others have kept it up to date, and someone replaced it with that.
15:43 < pbunny> "you must parse it completely to determine its length." - actually there is no need to determine the length at all. something like "you must parse it until it is finished" would be better imho
15:44 < TkTech> Makes more sense when you read the entire line.
15:44 < TkTech> "For variable length packets, you must parse it completely to determine its length."
15:45 < edk> it's irritating that packets don't come with a length, makes parsing in linear time hard
15:45 < pbunny> For variable length packets, you must parse it until you get some indication that this packet contains no more data.
15:46 < pbunny> edk: ++
15:46 < AnotherOne> fuck tcp
15:46 < AnotherOne> or no
15:46 < AnotherOne> fuck mojang
15:46 < dav1d> omg
15:47 < edk> there's a datagram-stream variant of TCP, I forget the name
15:47 < edk> why did it never catch on?
15:49 < edk> ah, it's not really a variant. i was thinking of SCTP
15:50 < pbunny> TkTech: seeing a number of bot accounts created in last few days, i would suggest a captcha to reg form
15:51 < edk> Just use "ask in IRC for an account" verification
15:51 < dav1d> pbunny: you need to confirm your email
15:51 < pbunny> dav1d: email creation can be automated 
15:51 < edk> email confirmation is easier for bots than it is for humans :P
15:51 < dav1d> before you can actually do anything
15:51 < pbunny> edk: ++
15:51 < dav1d> depends if you have sane blacklists
15:51 < pbunny> dav1d: http://mailinator.com/ - here you go
15:51 < dav1d> also my email took 2 month to arrive
15:51 < dav1d> yay
15:51 < dav1d> pbunny: I said sane blacklists
15:51 < edk> does mediawiki use blacklists at all?
15:52 < pbunny> dav1d: anybody can setup mail server on their host
15:52 < edk> it's a long time since i felt masochistic enough to play with it
15:52 < dav1d> pbunny: and?
15:52 < pbunny> dav1d: whitelist is needed then
15:52 < dav1d> no
15:52 < pbunny> dav1d: you can automate domain creation/deletion
15:52 < dav1d> just an activly maintained list
15:52 < pbunny> and so mails will be completely unique
15:52 < pbunny> dav1d: um, wrong
15:52 < dav1d> why names?
15:52 < dav1d> ips
15:52 < pbunny> dav1d: why not just put captcha?
15:53 < pbunny> imagine somebody with dynamic ip
15:53 < pbunny> etc
15:53 < dav1d> because that would be the easy way
15:53 < pbunny> you will have to blacklist entire ISP
15:53 < dav1d> wtf?
15:53 < pbunny> um.. some ISPs use dynamic IP pool
15:53 < pbunny> welcome to the real world
15:54 < dav1d> (told by a guy with stdout.lulzsec.com in his hostmask)
15:55 < pbunny> so basically, somebody can script the following: 1) renewing IP address from DHCP (changing) 2) getting free domain / subdomain of arbitrary dyndns domain 3) reconfiguring mail server (catch-all) for this domain 4) register on wiki 5) post shit to wiki
15:55 < pbunny> if done right, it will generate like 10 accounts per minute
15:55 < pbunny> every one with unique email name and host
15:55 < pbunny> and ip
15:56 < edk> that's easy to prevent
15:56 < edk> block dynamic IPs
15:56 < pbunny> LOL
15:56 < edk> and block dyndns and no-ip
15:56 < pbunny> edk: you can get domain in other ways too
15:56 <+clonejo> edk: and every Domain on afraid.org -.-
15:56 < edk> yeah
15:56 < pbunny> i.e. some registrars enable domain instantly and then send a bill
15:56 < pbunny> you will have to block them too
15:56 < dav1d> pbunny: oh yeah, or I just program a captcha cracker made for the mediawiki plugin
15:56 < edk> blocking dynamic ips isn't very hard
15:57 < dav1d> there are always ways
15:57 < pbunny> dav1d: a custom captcha is a solution
15:57 < dav1d> who cares, no one will do it because no one cares
15:57 < pbunny> or just a good captcha
15:57 < dav1d> pbunny: then someone will engineer a soloution for that
15:57 < pbunny> dav1d: there are no ways against complex captcha
15:57 < dav1d> there is always a way
15:57 < pbunny> dav1d: well only by using human captcha typers
15:57 < dav1d> pbunny: there is
15:57 < pbunny> but that will cost something
15:57 < dav1d> lol
15:57 < dav1d> if you would know
15:58 < dav1d> welcome to the "real world"
15:58 < edk> the only reliable way to prevent spambots is to have human verification for new accounts
15:58 < dav1d> ^
15:58 < pbunny> edk: by webcam!
15:58 < pbunny> or, better, live
15:58 < edk> nah, if the bot passes the turing test it's welcome to edit the wiki
15:58 < pbunny> :p
15:58 < pbunny> i like that idea
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15:59 < dav1d> edk: but but, what if it's hooked up to Siri!!!!
15:59 <+clonejo> dav1d: you forgot the occasional 1s between the exclamation marks
16:00 < dav1d> clonejo: darnit
16:00 < dav1d> now I see it too!!1!11!!!!1111111111
16:00 < dav1d> clonejo: did you ever have differenzengleichungen @uni?
16:01 <+clonejo> dav1d: not much
16:01 < dav1d> hate 'em xD
16:01 <+clonejo> dav1d: I think I have them now in Data structures and algorithms
16:02 < dav1d> yeah, I think they'll be part of everything^^
16:05 < Yoshi2> I've looked that topic up and wow, it looks confusing
16:18 < dav1d> Yoshi2: it is
16:18 < dav1d> basically how to "solve" recursion
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18:18 <+pdelvo> I had Differenzgleischungen a little bit at school. Dont like them. They are confusing
18:18 <+pdelvo> ch*
18:19 < dav1d> haha!
18:19 < dav1d> my thoughts
18:20 <+pdelvo> If you now the solution. You can pu it in and confirm that it works. but you have no idea why
18:21 < Yoshi2> it does not help that so many mathematics-related themes start with "Differenz<insert something here>" or a variation of it
18:26 < eddyb> wtf is differenzengleichungen?
18:26 < eddyb> also, CS is wrong when not in english
18:26 < eddyb> differential equations?
18:28 <+pdelvo> yep. equation with different derivates in it. Like U(t) +  R*C*U' +  L * C * U''(t) = 0
18:29 < eddyb> oh, that is nasty
18:30 <+pdelvo> This one can be found in physics. the resonant curcuit and can be solved with the sinus
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18:31 < eddyb> I know derivatives, but that's harder. I think I've encountered one of those while trying to work an integral the dumb way (x^n * e^x)
18:33 < eddyb> (f(x) * e^x)' = e^x * (f(x) + f'(x))
18:33 < eddyb> so f(x) + f'(x) - x^n = 0
18:35 < jast> actually differenzengleichungen != differentialgleichungen (differential equations)
18:36 < eddyb> great
18:37 < jast> differenzengleichung is recurrence relation in English, sometimes referred to in different scopes as difference equation
18:37 < eddyb> I can't tell the difference between those two wordmesses, btw
18:37 < jast> differential equations involve derivatives, recurrence relations are basically recursively defined functions
18:38 < jast> for example, x(n+1) = rx(n)(1-x(n))
18:38 < eddyb> huh
18:38 < eddyb> difference equation vs differential equation?
18:39 < jast> where (n+1) indicates "next value of series", not "argument to function"
18:39 < eddyb> that's why you use *
18:39 < eddyb> also, _ not () for subscript
18:39 < jast> in LaTeX syntax, $x_{n+1} = rx_n(1-x_n)$
18:39 < eddyb> that
18:40 < jast> _ with braces is not very readable, though
18:40 < eddyb> I need some kind of TeX support in my IRC client
18:40 < jast> I believe some clients have plugins for that
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18:47 <+pdelvo> btw @eddyb http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f%28x%29%2Bf%27%28x%29-n%5Ex%3D0 I tried to get the solution by my own by guessing. But i gived up
18:47 < eddyb> you failed
18:47 < eddyb> it's x^n not n^x
18:48 < eddyb> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=f%28x%29%2Bf%27%28x%29-x%5En%3D0
18:48 < eddyb> uses the gamma function (whatever that is)
18:49 < eddyb> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IncompleteGammaFunction.html
18:50 < eddyb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incomplete_gamma_function