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Also, is all packet data encrypted, or only some? 08:02 < mappum> dylanisawesome1: http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption 08:03 < dylanisawesome1> thanks 08:15 -!- dylanisawesome1 [b8a6999f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.166.153.159] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:30 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 08:56 <+md_5> could someone teach me how to code a system like spigot but make it run on multi cores before i go to sleep in a hour? should be easy will pay $10 08:56 <+md_5> guy wants 08:56 <+md_5> to learn how to program 08:56 <+md_5> a multicore minecraft server 08:57 <+md_5> in less than an hour 08:58 -!- Yoshi2 [~chatzilla@xdsl-81-173-163-58.netcologne.de] has joined #mcdevs 09:07 <+SpaceManiac> the everything about that makes it sound like it's intentional 09:11 -!- GameMakerGm [GameGm@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:13 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 09:14 < ezdiy> md_5: btw, any chance of spigot resurrecting https://github.com/ezdiy/MaxTPS/tree/master/src/main/java/maxtps ? 09:14 < ezdiy> basically, the trick is to feed clients with static distant chunk, thus giving fake impression of high viewdist 09:16 <+md_5> uh 09:17 < ezdiy> yeah, it was super hacky back in the day. maintanance hell as it involved rewriting of the classes in the repo :( 09:17 <+md_5> why do you want to fake it? 09:17 <+md_5> ezdiy also no offence.. but that code 09:17 < ezdiy> its *super hacky* 09:17 < ezdiy> which is why it was closed source at its time 09:17 <+md_5> like there are 50000 maps and atomic variables and stuff 09:17 <+md_5> just screams ram and cpu usage to me 09:17 < ezdiy> unfortunately not 09:18 < ezdiy> PlayerManager is actually optimized a lot for speed 09:18 < ezdiy> because it gets rid of two (!) object hiearchies 09:18 <+md_5> jesus you actually replace the reader threads 09:18 < ezdiy> and keeps everything in hashmaps 09:19 < ezdiy> md_5: again, that code is hopeless 09:19 < ezdiy> i'm hoping for someone to ressurect the overall trick 09:19 < ezdiy> as it looked nice back in the day 09:19 < ezdiy> fake viewdist 15, actual viewdist 7 09:21 < ezdiy> also, if you want to see something really horrible, consult https://github.com/ezdiy/MaxTPS/blob/master/src/main/groovy/maxtps/MaxTPS.groovy 09:21 < ezdiy> as you can see ama not java programmer :) 09:50 -!- cathode|alt [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250D9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 10:01 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250D9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02 -!- Guest5896 is now known as Me4502 10:02 -!- Me4502 [Me4502@198.143.128.9] has quit [Changing host] 10:02 -!- Me4502 [Me4502@unaffiliated/me4502] has joined #mcdevs 10:26 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35 -!- AndrewPH [~AndrewPH@hnng.public-craft.com] has joined #mcdevs 10:35 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v AndrewPH] by ChanServ 10:35 -!- AnotherOne [b2974a8a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.74.138] has joined #mcdevs 10:35 < AnotherOne> hi people 10:39 <+SpaceManiac> hi 10:40 < mappum> hello 11:03 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:15 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:24 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@95-91-255-241-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 11:30 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 11:34 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45 -!- SuinDraw [~NiaTeppel@WiseOS/Founder/NiaTeppelin] has joined #mcdevs 13:10 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jako1] by ChanServ 13:10 -!- Prf_Jako1 is now known as Prf_Jakob 13:38 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 14:21 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250D9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 14:31 -!- calinou [~calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 14:32 -!- Not-003 [~notifico@198.199.82.216] has joined #mcdevs 14:32 < Not-003> [Miners] Wallbraker pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/8JbYUg 14:32 < Not-003> [Miners] Wallbraker f13a709 - mc: Download default terrain texture Signed-off-by: Jakob Bornecrantz 14:45 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 14:55 -!- calinou [~calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 15:41 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 15:45 -!- Exio [exio4@trekweb/user/nax] has quit [Quit: Exio] 15:45 -!- init [exio4@trekweb/user/nax] has joined #mcdevs 15:46 -!- init is now known as n4x 15:49 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51 < AnotherOne> hey people, i have a question. http://mc.kev009.com/Protocol#Encryption_Key_Response_.280xFC.29 15:51 < AnotherOne> it is said "Bypassing the encryption is possible" 15:51 < AnotherOne> isn't it deprecated? 16:15 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 16:41 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52 -!- Extreme2 [~extreme@ool-4357c4f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:53 -!- Extreme2 [~extreme@ool-4357c4f7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03 < AnotherOne> hey 17:03 < AnotherOne> anybody here? 17:04 * clonejo coughs 17:09 < AnotherOne> http://pastebin.com/EUKG8jhL Look at this beautiful log. It is logging in to local server. It looks pretty strange. Empty 0xFD and then some trash. Can anyone explain what is going on there? 17:15 -!- dexter00 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:17 -!- TobiX_ [tobias@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 17:18 -!- SinZ_ [~SinZ@CPE-121-219-83-235.lnse1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mcdevs 17:18 -!- Yoshi2| [~chatzilla@xdsl-87-79-112-199.netcologne.de] has joined #mcdevs 17:20 < AnotherOne> hi Yoshi2 17:21 < AnotherOne> let me annoy you with questions for some time 17:21 -!- jspiros_ [~jspiros@hylia.us] has joined #mcdevs 17:21 -!- Yoshi2 [~chatzilla@xdsl-81-173-163-58.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:21 < Yoshi2|> AnotherOne: it looks like your code for reading the 0xFD packet could be wrong 17:21 < Yoshi2|> in 0xFD after the packet ID comes a short, which shows the length of the server ID 17:21 < AnotherOne> lol 17:22 -!- Yoshi2| is now known as Yoshi2 17:22 < AnotherOne> that was official client 17:22 < AnotherOne> and wpe pro 17:22 < AnotherOne> mb wpe is wrong? 17:23 < Yoshi2> ah 17:23 < AnotherOne> 1.5.2 17:23 < Yoshi2> hm, I haven't heard of that program before 17:24 < AnotherOne> thing for cheaters to modify packets on-fly 17:24 < AnotherOne> cna also log packets 17:24 < AnotherOne> can 17:24 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Rudench, dexter0, jspiros, SinZ, TobiX 17:24 -!- dexter00 is now known as dexter0 17:24 -!- SinZ_ is now known as SinZ 17:26 -!- gmazoyer_ [~Respawner@cr.gravitons.in] has joined #mcdevs 17:26 -!- Fador_ [fador@hentai.fi] has joined #mcdevs 17:28 < AnotherOne> so what should i do next? 17:29 -!- Fador [fador@hentai.fi] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:29 -!- ezdiy [sd@fucksheep.org] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:29 -!- |Blaze| [~scott@S01060002b3983ca3.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:31 -!- ezdiy [sd@fucksheep.org] has joined #mcdevs 17:31 -!- micolous_ [pirates@koji.tok0.micolous.id.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 -!- gmazoyer [~Respawner@cr.gravitons.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 < Yoshi2> it does not look like that program is very up to date when it comes to minecraft, but the login procedure looks pretty standard 17:32 < Yoshi2> client sends a 0x02, server sends a 0xFD, client sends a 0xFC, server sends a 0xFC with empty payload, and now the data stream is encrypted 17:33 < Yoshi2> exactly what's written in the wiki 17:34 -!- |Blaze| [~scott@S01060002b3983ca3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:34 -!- micolous [pirates@koji.tok0.micolous.id.au] has joined #mcdevs 17:40 < AnotherOne> do lines 22-62 represent a single message? 17:41 -!- Fador_ is now known as Fador 17:41 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Fador] by ChanServ 18:09 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:28 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 19:19 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v ammar2] by ChanServ 19:39 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:47 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined #mcdevs 19:55 -!- zh32 [bnc@vm2.zh32.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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I'm writing a custom java program and am only interested in reading certain packets. If the packet ID isn't something I'm interested in, I want to skip reading the entire packet, without having to know anything about the packet's contents. 03:00 < btilm305> There has to be some kind of delimiter, because I'm able to delimit it in c++ 03:00 < btilm305> By delimit it, I mean I'm able to tell a difference between the start of packets 03:01 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 03:02 < dexter0> there is not 03:03 < dexter0> you must be able to parse all the packets 03:03 < btilm305> But how am I able to get defined packets whenever I use c++? 03:03 < btilm305> objective-c actually 03:04 < dexter0> elaborate? 03:04 < btilm305> using readData() returns an entire packet 03:04 < dexter0> are you using a library? 03:04 < dexter0> certain packets have a known length, others not so 03:06 < btilm305> I'm using GCDAsyncSocket 03:09 < dexter0> readData likely returns the contents of some buffer in the library where incoming data accumulates until you read it 03:10 < dexter0> that != mc packets 03:10 < btilm305> What would be the easiest way for me to get the size of a packet xD 03:11 < btilm305> Would I have to include all of minecraft's server code >.< 03:11 < dexter0> be able to parse the entire protocol 03:11 < dexter0> http://wiki.vg/Protocol 03:11 < btilm305> That's obvious lol 03:12 < btilm305> What would I have to do? Is there any pre-written code or would I just have to import all of minecraft's server code 03:12 < dexter0> http://wiki.vg/Library_List 03:13 < dexter0> I image someone has written a protocol library in Java 03:13 < dexter0> imagine* 03:17 < btilm305> OMG YAY 03:17 < btilm305> Thanks dexte 03:17 < btilm305> Thanks dexter 03:23 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:32 -!- btilm305 [add9b52c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.217.181.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:07 -!- Eric12 [~Eric1212@bas3-guelph22-2925023886.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:25 -!- jargan [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 04:26 -!- SpaceManiac_ [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 04:27 -!- AnotherOne [b2974a8a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.74.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:28 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac_] by ChanServ 04:28 -!- SpaceManiac 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AnotherOne> heh 10:12 <+Fador> that's what people do ;) 10:13 <+Zaneo> Or instead take the lazier option, and just use tcp 10:13 <+Fador> yes. 10:13 < AnotherOne> is it ok to use c++ std::deque as a stream buffer? 10:14 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@95-91-255-241-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 10:14 < Calinou> Fador: UDP is never fully reiable 10:14 < Calinou> but it's still faster than TCP 10:14 < Calinou> reliable UDP is an hack \o/ 10:15 < Calinou> also, minecraft's lag doesn't come from TCP 10:15 < Calinou> it comes from unoptimized stuff and 20TPS 10:15 <+Fador> sure ;) 10:15 < Calinou> this is a very resource intensive game and mojang had the bad idea of setting it at 20TPS 10:15 < Calinou> 10TPS would have been enough, by far ;_; 10:15 <+Fador> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle%27s_algorithm 10:17 < AnotherOne> so it works 10:17 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:18 < AnotherOne> fock my lack of experience 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"Network is going to hell." 18:21 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.112.10.194.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:33 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 18:35 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:38 -!- AgentHH_ is now known as AgentHH 18:42 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|away 18:47 -!- dx [~dicks@host31.181-1-211.telecom.net.ar] has joined #mcdevs 18:47 -!- dx [~dicks@host31.181-1-211.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Changing host] 18:47 -!- dx [~dicks@unaffiliated/dxdx] has joined #mcdevs 18:48 -!- Guest25432 [~dicks@host31.181-1-211.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53 -!- zh32|away is now known as zh32 18:53 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B25174B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 19:00 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09 -!- SuinDraw [~NiaTeppel@WiseOS/Founder/NiaTeppelin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14 -!- Fador [fador@hentai.fi] has joined #mcdevs 19:17 -!- zml2008 [~zml2008@66.172.27.40] has joined #mcdevs 19:17 -!- buttscicles_ [joe@sna.yl.io] has joined #mcdevs 19:17 -!- tyteen4a- [tyteen4a03@us2.freeBNC.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:18 -!- _Adam01 [~Adam01@pageserved.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Fador_, tyteen4a03, yml2008, buttscicles, AndrewPH|Alt, Adam01 19:18 -!- buttscicles_ is now known as buttscicles 19:18 -!- _Adam01 is now known as Adam01 19:27 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has joined #mcdevs 19:30 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Define "that". 19:30 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: The wiki-bot specifically? 19:31 <+Prf_Jakob> the wiki-part specifically 19:33 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #mcdevs 19:33 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Changing host] 19:33 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 19:34 -!- AndrewPH [~AndrewPH@hnng.public-craft.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:34 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v AndrewPH] by ChanServ 19:35 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: That particular titanic piece of garbage would be this -> https://github.com/TkTech/WikiBot 19:36 <+Prf_Jakob> ah 19:36 < TkTech> Breaks all the time, supervisord just restarts it 19:36 -!- Ac-town_ [~actown@osuosl/staff/actown] has joined #mcdevs 19:36 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Ac-town_] by ChanServ 19:36 < TkTech> for entry in d.entries 19:36 <+Prf_Jakob> okay, well can I change the notifico hook so I can get it into my channel? 19:37 < TkTech> That for example will error out since d.entries may not exist if there were no posts in that time listing 19:37 <+Prf_Jakob> or do I need to run my own instance of it? 19:37 < TkTech> Wait, what? 19:37 < TkTech> You want wiki.vg in your channel? 19:37 < TkTech> That is very simple, just let me know what channel 19:38 < TkTech> Otherwise you would host your own instance 19:39 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: ^ 19:39 < dav1d> TkTech: gnu_getopt o.O 19:39 < dav1d> argparse is so great and you use getopt 19:39 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: #charged-miners on Esper 19:39 < TkTech> dav1d: Really? argparse? How oldschool. 19:40 < dav1d> TkTech: is there something new again? 19:40 < TkTech> dav1d: docopt is where it's at, the requests of doc parsing. 19:40 < dav1d> na 19:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Coming up 19:40 <+Prf_Jakob> thanks 19:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: http://n.tkte.ch/TkTech/wiki.vg 19:41 < dav1d> docopt can't cover everything argparse does 19:41 < TkTech> dav1d: Lies and deceit. 19:41 <+Prf_Jakob> thanks 19:42 < dav1d> TkTech: what? can I tell docopt to use my own conversion function for options? 19:42 -!- Ac-town [~actown@osuosl/staff/actown] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:42 -!- Ac-town_ is now known as Ac-town 19:42 < dav1d> e.g. to the new python Enums? :D 19:42 < dav1d> *option to new Enum 19:43 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Sabriel_, Thinkofdeath, pdelvo, Calinou, Fador, Xaardas 19:43 < TkTech> God dammit stop DDoS'ing Freenode. 19:46 < Yoshi2> freenode has been hit by a DDoS? 19:46 < edk> No, they're just randomly killing their network connections for fun 19:46 <+Ac-town> irc servers are a popular target 19:47 < edk> yeah, particularly networks this size 19:47 < edk> freenode ddoses are not as uncommon as would be nice 19:47 < buttscicles> people have been ddosing irc networks since before I was born, and will probably continue after I die 19:48 < TkTech> I think it might actually just be a causality, DDoS hitting the same datacenter. 19:48 < Yoshi2> mhm, I see 19:48 < TkTech> Otherwise they'd go after irc.freenode.net, not a specific server in the network. 19:48 <+Ac-town> TkTech: nah its freenode 19:48 < TkTech> Bleh 19:49 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 19:51 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:58 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 19:58 -!- Fador_ [fador@hentai.fi] has joined #mcdevs 19:58 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@5.9.63.185] has joined #mcdevs 19:59 -!- act4 [~alex@dhcp-129-234-83-199.tr.esol.dur.ac.uk] has joined #mcdevs 19:59 < edk> TkTech: sure they'd go for a specific server, they might not have enough bandwidth to kill the whole network 20:00 < TkTech> edk: But taking out just one server on Freenode doesn't do much damage, at worst people will disconnect and reconnect to irc.freenode which will round-robin them to an unaffected server 20:01 < edk> right. they kill one server, then move on to another 20:01 < TkTech> Ah, right. 20:02 < edk> i hate it when people ddos stuff 20:02 < edk> it shouldn't be easier to break things than it is to make them 20:02 < dav1d> lol 20:02 < dav1d> what's their benefit? 20:03 < dav1d> freenode won't go down, and servers come back as soon as possible (of course monitoring/work is needed) but what is their benefit? 20:03 < edk> maybe it's fun fucking over places where people talk to each other about free software development 20:03 < edk> well, it annoys lots of people, i guess it's basically similar to the troll mentality 20:03 < dav1d> oh noes the world is so cruel 20:03 < dav1d> well, why do people kill others? 20:03 < dav1d> maybe it's fun 20:04 < edk> i guess? 20:08 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Thinkofdeath, pdelvo, Fador_ 20:34 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 21:02 -!- oyasunadev [~oyasunade@c-76-19-209-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:04 < oyasunadev> any interesting projects? 21:04 < TkTech> Uh... 21:05 < TkTech> I hear NASA is working on a "warp drive". 21:08 < eddyb> are they? 21:10 < eddyb> months ago I heard warp drives are the closest thing to reality when it comes to FTL travel 21:11 < Yoshi2> as far as NASA's website is concerned, "Warp Drives" are just another term for FTL travel 21:11 < Yoshi2> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warpstat.html 21:12 < eddyb> "hyperspace" 21:12 < eddyb> srsly? 21:12 -!- oyasunadev_ [~oyasunade@c-76-19-209-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:12 < eddyb> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev.html#alcub that's the real "warp drive" concept 21:15 -!- oyasunadev [~oyasunade@c-76-19-209-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15 -!- oyasunadev [~oyasunade@c-76-19-209-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:15 -!- oyasunadev [~oyasunade@c-76-19-209-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15 < TkTech> eddyb: You do realize that most of the terms from popular sci-fi are stolen from papers, and vice versa (authors paying homage to popular sci-fi) 21:16 -!- Sanky [~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:16 < eddyb> well, yeah 21:17 < oyasunadev_> pretty interesting 21:17 -!- Sanky [~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky] has joined #mcdevs 21:17 < eddyb> but "warp drives" and "wormholes" are theoretically real, even if potentially unpractical 21:17 < oyasunadev_> if your really interested watch some of vsauce's videos on youtube 21:18 < eddyb> "hyperspace" is one of those crazy "special dimensions", and it's farther fetched than the other two 21:19 < Not-011> [netherrack] thinkofdeath pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] http://git.io/gsyKVg 21:19 < Not-011> [netherrack] thinkofdeath f4622ab - More chunk lighting improvements 21:19 < Not-011> [netherrack] thinkofdeath d4d13a2 - Lighting fixes 21:19 < eddyb> inb4 "unfix because fix broken" 21:20 < oyasunadev_> is anyone still code with minecraft classic? 21:20 < oyasunadev_> *does 21:21 < TkTech> eddyb: "Hyperspace" is a valid term, it usually just means high-energy space. 21:21 < TkTech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace 21:22 < TkTech> (And a lot of other crap) 21:22 < eddyb> well, you seem to know more about me on that specific definition, so I'll just shut up 21:22 < eddyb> "...or sidestep the problem in an alternate space: hyperspace." that's what I was saying 21:22 < TkTech> oyasunadev_: A few people do, yes. 21:23 < TkTech> oyasunadev_: Migrated mojang accounts are a bitch so it's kinda dead. 21:23 < oyasunadev_> good point. im looking for someone to work with me 21:24 < TkTech> oyasunadev_: And how far are you? I assume if you're looking for collaborators you've already got a minimal function server with some factor that makes it unique? 21:24 < eddyb> TkTech: that focuses on sci-fi, while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive are closer to reality. that's what I was trying to point out :P 21:24 < oyasunadev_> Actually it's a client. Consists of bug fixes as well as extended features. 21:24 < TkTech> eddyb: Ah. Point. 21:25 < TkTech> oyasunadev_: Ah, interesting. You might have better luck poking Prf_Jakob and Scoot in #charged-miners and #fcraft on irc.esper.net 21:25 < TkTech> oyasunadev_: Both of them know more about the current classic scene than I. 21:25 < oyasunadev_> TkTech: Do you know what programming languages they use? 21:26 < TkTech> D and C#. 21:26 < oyasunadev_> TkTech: Darn because I'm more centralized in Java 21:26 < dav1d> why use so many people java? 21:26 < TkTech> So? Concepts aren't typically bounded to a language. 21:26 < dav1d> I blame university 21:26 < TkTech> Eh, I blame reality. It's pretty pervasive. 21:26 < oyasunadev_> java is a very good programming language at times 21:27 < TkTech> Hell, that Dreamliner or 747 is still controlled mostly with Ada. 21:27 < eddyb> TkTech: well, NASA are doing something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%E2%80%93Juday_warp-field_interferometer 21:27 < oyasunadev_> i find java useful because its similarity to c++, that it can do almost anything 21:28 < eddyb> uhm, no 21:28 < eddyb> C++ doesn't constrain you like Java does 21:28 < TkTech> Don't we have a rule on starting language wars? 21:28 < dav1d> TkTech: I bet one reason is, every fucking student learns java at university/school → they are done, move the a company, company knows, they know at least some java, do it in java then 21:28 < oyasunadev_> we are fighting, just discussing 21:28 <+Matvei> Hm, someone ccalled? 21:28 < eddyb> negation missing much? 21:29 < dav1d> Matvei: depends :P 21:29 < TkTech> Matvei: How many nicknames do you *HAVE*? 21:29 < oyasunadev_> i agree with you eddyb, although java is only constrained by its memory issues 21:29 < TkTech> Matvei: Wait, we had a conversation about you waiting forever for that nick to drop didn't we? 21:29 < oyasunadev_> i do use c++ time to time 21:29 < dav1d> (java is horrible) 21:30 < eddyb> oyasunadev_: huh, no, I meant the fundamentalist approach to OOP 21:30 < dav1d> java.equals(new Horrible()) 21:30 < dav1d> woot 21:30 < eddyb> C++ lets you use whatever gun you want to shoot yourself in the foot. or anywhere else 21:30 < oyasunadev_> eddyb: ok, then yes i agree 21:31 < dav1d> <3 https://gist.github.com/Dav1dde/8ce1626b819ce042c769 21:31 < dav1d> show me a language which allows that, I will learn it immediatly 21:32 < oyasunadev_> dav1d: im a little confused. what is the purpose of that? 21:33 <+Matvei> TkTech, lots. Lots. 21:34 < dav1d> oyasunadev_: it generates code at compile time for me, so I can supply a Json, it will call the appropriate method (defined in the Jsons "action" field) and automatically get the arguments based on their names out of the json, converts them to the correct types and calls the method 21:34 < dav1d> win 21:34 < oyasunadev_> dav1d: oh nevermind i see 21:34 < dav1d> the calling part isn't implemented yet (dispatch) 21:34 < oyasunadev_> yeah thats why i was initially confused 21:34 < dav1d> I have it working for JSArray (an awesomium type) 21:35 < dav1d> https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/ui/api.d mapping JS events 1:1 onto D methods 21:35 < eddyb> more dynamic languages aren't allowed, are they? 21:35 < oyasunadev_> dav1d: very nice work 21:36 < dav1d> eddyb: well every interpreted language can do this 21:36 < dav1d> (I would assume) 21:36 < eddyb> maybe we should call them interpretable 21:36 < TkTech> dav1d: You could do that easily in Python and let PyPy JIT the calls. 21:36 < oyasunadev_> eddyb: write a long page about it on wikipedia and it will become a thing 21:36 < eddyb> the reason I didn't think of that word ("interpreted"), is because JITs 21:36 < dav1d> TkTech: I know 21:37 < dav1d> TkTech: but vibed <3 21:37 < TkTech> Hehe. 21:37 < dav1d> actually, I prefer flask 21:37 < dav1d> but vibed is fast, really fast 21:37 < eddyb> TkTech: or, you know, do JS stuff in JS :P 21:37 < TkTech> pyv8 does exist you know. 21:37 < TkTech> javascript and python have first-class integrations. 21:38 < eddyb> please tell me it doesn't 21:38 < oyasunadev_> python <3 21:38 < oyasunadev_> although i have yet to learn it haha 21:38 < eddyb> anyway, it's funny to see people work with JSON in languages where it's not even valid syntax (not saying it's that wrong, just a bit amusing) 21:38 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:39 < dav1d> eddyb: why? 21:39 < dav1d> eddyb: is xml better? 21:39 < eddyb> hell no 21:39 < TkTech> eddyb: I…what? 21:39 < dav1d> xml is nowhere valid syntax 21:39 < oyasunadev_> eww xml can burn 21:39 < dav1d> and still people work with it 21:39 < TkTech> eddyb: You have problems with people using a portable format … portably? 21:39 < dav1d> ^ 21:39 < eddyb> TkTech: derp, I even tried to explain I don't have a problem with it 21:40 < TkTech> > anyway, it's funny to see people work with JSON in languages where it's not even valid syntax (not saying it's that wrong, just a bit amusing) 21:40 < TkTech> That is the exact opposite. 21:40 < oyasunadev_> xml shouldnt be called a language. it has unorganized syntax as well as little functionality 21:40 < TkTech> (Even ignoring your brackets) 21:40 < oyasunadev_> basically text 21:41 < oyasunadev_> no messages means people are writing long hate messages 21:41 < eddyb> TkTech: I guess it's one of those days for me. when every sentence I type ends up the opposite of what I meant 21:41 -!- Eric12 [~Eric1212@bas3-guelph22-2925023886.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #mcdevs 21:45 < oyasunadev_> is esper down for anyone else? 21:47 < dav1d> oyasunadev_: xml isn't a language 21:47 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:47 < Yoshi2> esper is up for me 21:47 < oyasunadev_> yeah nevermind its my irc client 21:59 < dav1d> works <3 21:59 < dav1d> mobile phone → pc remote control over JS and websockets <3 21:59 < dav1d> (x11 only atm) 22:00 < eddyb> heh 22:02 < dav1d> finally I can watch films from bed without the need to stand up if battery in my mouse gets weak 22:03 < eddyb> heh 22:05 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06 <+Matvei> oyasunadev_, not sure if TK elaborated already 22:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:06 <+Matvei> But basically the two last active projects in classic are charged-miners (written in D) and fCraft (C#) 22:06 <+Matvei> Charged-Miners is a client, fCraft is a server 22:07 <+Matvei> And both are actually a bit slow. I'm trying to slow down fCraft development to maitenance-only. 22:07 <+Matvei> Because, well, most of the user base is gone 22:08 <+Matvei> So there's little feedback, few users, and no donations 22:09 < dav1d> Matvei: so you're fragmer? 22:09 <+Matvei> Yes 22:09 < dav1d> or did I confuse somethin'