20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> There was also the fact that Chromium/Webkit had two javascript engines
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20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> two different threading system
20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> s
20:53 < eddyb> yeah, JSC was the largest part of WebKit they removed
20:54 < eddyb> Prf_Jakob: actually, they are multi-process architectures <insert more technobabble>
20:54 <+Prf_Jakob> eddyb: hehe right
20:55 < dav1d> eddyb: do they plan to release *any* documentation?
20:55 < eddyb> aren't there doxygen docs for Chromium?
20:56 < dav1d> digging through the source I haven't seen anything helpful
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20:57 < eddyb> dav1d: http://www.chromium.org/blink#TOC-API-Owners apparently they want stricter rules about APIs so that could be a clue
20:58 < eddyb> dav1d: have you seen this before? https://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/
20:58 < dav1d> well, I think I'll go with webkitgtk
20:58 < dav1d> eddyb: yes, doesnt work on linux
20:59 < eddyb> huh?
20:59 < dav1d> eddyb: https://github.com/Dav1dde/cef
20:59 < dav1d> eddyb: offscreen rendering
20:59 < dav1d> I made fucking complete bindings for both versions, finding out it doesnt work
20:59 < eddyb> April 8, 2013: Version 3.1364.1188 is the first binary release for 32-bit and 64-bit Linux. In addition to the changes described below for version 3.1364.1094 it includes the following enhancements and bug fixes.
20:59 < eddyb> ok, so CEF is bad
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21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 67b41de - Improved metadata dictionary usage
21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 16cf484 - Fixed metadata encoding for strings
21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 6f0a7f7 - Removed test code from ItemEntity
21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 64684a3 - Added internal default constructors to metadata items, fixes deserialization
21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 01a0ad6 - Changed metadata dictionary decoder to use correct metadata entry constructor
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 73fbbd1 - Changed visibility of constructors in metadata entry classes
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] ammaraskar b270852 - Fix stair orientation (closes #146)
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b9f5d58 - Made stair up/down orientation use cursor position
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 81365e1 - Fixed door orientation, closes #144
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 612462f - Fixed hunger/eating issues, closes #137
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn aabfdde - Added read-only world classes for clients
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a7e85ca - Added ability to save read only worlds, unload chunks
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 53f7fdd - Parse chunk packets in client
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 94c0d9d - Fix bug with 0x38 packets without light
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn df2f710 - Added ChunkRecieved event
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 6932fd6 - Update README.md
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a5b926f - Fixed various bugs with Linux/Mac support
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 9d2eb61 - Merge branch 'master' of github.com:SirCmpwn/Craft.Net into HEAD
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 28edb02 - Updated README to mention issues with certs on mono
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn cf1896f - Fixed bugs with compiling on mono
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 206dfd7 - Fixed hardness and drop for diamond ore
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 34654cd - Changed visibility of AcceptConnectionAsync
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7dcdfc8 - Added to Craft.Net.Data.Level to allow for singleplayer levels to be saved
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn c50bb26 - Update README.md
21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 28052d4 - Update protocol version, add new blocks/items
21:42 < TkTech> I *think* I'm going to set a commit limit on this channel...
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22:29 < SL37> Hey, when a server is sending its 0xFD packet how does it create it server id?
22:29 < SL37> Is it just a randomly generated string?
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22:48 <+ammar2> TkTech: wikibot seems to be dead
22:48 <+ammar2> just made a change to pre-release page and it didn't fire off
22:48 < TkTech> I shall poke
22:51 < TkTech> ammar2: Gave it a restart, see if it works on the next change
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22:51 <+ammar2> all right, thanks.
22:51 < TkTech> (That's a super sketchy bot, if someone wants to improve it, it's on github)
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23:21 <+md_5> <pbunny> [22:49:41] threads will still run with same speed
23:21 <+md_5> plz
23:21 <+md_5> how many threads
23:21 <+md_5> outline thread moel
23:21 <+md_5> model
23:21 <+md_5> if there are more than 24 threads in total.... why?
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23:42 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b43d7dc - Added another changed packet
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06:09 < SinZ> new launcher is cool...
06:10 < TkTech> SinZ: Screenshots anywhere?
06:14 < SinZ> It currently only supports 13w16a
06:15 < SinZ> (on the mojang blog)
06:15 < SinZ> Launcher is slower than the old one, because it downloads all the assets one at a time, that Minecraft used to do in the background
06:18 < SinZ> oooh, includes a JSON file of all the libraries it uses, and what not to include from them
06:27 < SinZ> even a pretty JSON file on the download server with a version list
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07:44 < pbunny> for debugging purposes i use thread for every chunk
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11:54 <+md_5> Grum just saw:   public void a(DataInput paramDataInput), thanks a lot!
11:54 <+md_5> much appreciated.
11:54 < Grum> yw
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19:23 < dav1d> yay, let's do some coding in C
19:24 < dav1d> let's see if I still enjoy the pain :)
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07:01 < _177> I have a really odd question…. About 3 months ago I remember browsing wiki.vg and came across a packet that when send Client to Server with arbitrary coordinates, the server would respond with a 0x35 Block Change packet with the current block occupying the specified coordinates. Now no matter where I look I can't find it.
07:01 < _177> Am I instane? Did such a thing ever exist?
07:02 < _177> Is there a place on the wiki where I can look at old protocol specs
07:03 <+ammar2> I think you're going insane
07:04 <+ammar2> I have no memories of such a packet existing, ever.
07:04 <+ammar2> anyway, there's a protocol history page and you can manually view the history of the protocol page in the top right corner
07:06 < _177> OHHHH there it is
07:07 < _177> If you send a Player Digging x0E with status bye 3 it does what I was thinking
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14:49 < Thinkofdeath> Just a thought: That new int on Entity Action might be the position of the energy bar for horses meaning there should an action id to go with it (Can't test with my server currently)
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01:25 < toqueteos> hi there mcdevs, guys i need some help with a packet-related issue https://gist.github.com/toqueteos/016bc796456e5878e396
01:27 < TkTech> What you gonna do when the UCS2 come for you
01:27 < TkTech> Ho, nevermind, missed the dots.
01:27 < toqueteos> that /should/ be ok, right?
01:28 < TkTech> Do you actually know if your encryption works?
01:29 < toqueteos> i'm getting two errors, it varies.. http://i.imgur.com/7quVEmx.png
01:29 < toqueteos> i'm starting to think it's not working actually xD
01:29 < toqueteos> but that's the first packet i send with encryption on so..
01:30 < toqueteos> the other error http://i.imgur.com/9kweAbk.png both string related
01:32 < dav1d> toqueteos: haha
01:32 < dav1d> that should be already fixed in latest minecraft
01:32 < dav1d> I found that bug in the minecraft source
01:32 < dav1d> toqueteos: you're the server?
01:33 < toqueteos> yes, i am
01:33 < dav1d> oh well
01:33 < dav1d> I fixed it for the minecraft server
01:33 < toqueteos> actually, it has to be my encrytion because i see a weeeird payload on 0xCB
01:33 < toqueteos> 0xCD, sorry
01:33 < dav1d> toqueteos: problem is, minecraft does: .read(X) on the stream and not .readExact(X), which means, if there are less bytes, less will be read
01:34 < dav1d> try to send the whole packet at once
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01:34 < dav1d> not with continues write calls, with one
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01:34 < dav1d> that fixed it for me
01:34 < toqueteos> payload of -X for 0xCD isn't a good signal
01:34 < toqueteos> it should be 0 or 1 according to wiki.vg
01:34 < dav1d> since 1.5 this should be fixed for the server
01:37 < toqueteos> thanks dav1d
01:37 < dav1d> toqueteos: it works?
01:37 < toqueteos> and TkTech
01:37 < dav1d> Dinnerbone: ^
01:37 < toqueteos> nope it doesn't
01:37 < toqueteos> but it's my fault
01:37 < dav1d> Dinnerbone: nvm then, sorry, I thought that was the fix
01:37 < toqueteos> not minecraft's
01:37 < Thinkofdeath> toqueteos: What language are you doing it in?
01:37 < toqueteos> Go
01:38 < Thinkofdeath> :)
01:38 < Thinkofdeath> I have a working Go server
01:38 < Thinkofdeath> Its messy
01:38 < toqueteos> i tried, incorrectly as i see, wrapping my net.Conn with the cipher and it's not working properly
01:39 < Thinkofdeath> toqueteos: https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/d37fd6fafb1c79246327
01:39 < Thinkofdeath> Thats all the connection stuff
01:39 < toqueteos> nice!
01:39 < toqueteos> i was going to ask you for a github url but it's on bitbucket
01:40 < Thinkofdeath> https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/d37fd6fafb1c79246327#file-gistfile1-go-L1852 this part might be the bit you need
01:40 < toqueteos> mine's is at https://github.com/toqueteos/minero i didn't upload yet the server code
01:40 < Thinkofdeath> I haven't open sourced mine yet
01:40 < Thinkofdeath> I should...
01:41 < toqueteos> woah! you have all that in a single file?!
01:41 < toqueteos> jesus christ
01:42 < toqueteos> its messy yes hahaha
01:42 < Thinkofdeath> Its old... never split it
01:42 < Thinkofdeath> Everything else changed that hasn't
01:42 < toqueteos> why did you implement XORKeyStream by yourself?
01:42 < Thinkofdeath> :P
01:42 < toqueteos> doesn't Go's std work?
01:42 < Thinkofdeath> Because the I couldn't get the Go one to work
01:42 < toqueteos> oh, that's it
01:43 < Thinkofdeath> But yeah that 1900 line file should be split up...
01:44 < toqueteos> i tried to implement my own StreamReadWriter
01:44 < toqueteos> so i could wrap net.Conn with it if online-mode was true
01:44 < toqueteos> and that's what I think it's failing
01:45 < Thinkofdeath> I just use one cipher.StreamReader and one cipher.StreamWriter
01:46 < toqueteos> yep L45-46 first thing i saw
01:47 < toqueteos> i'm curious does your nbt implementation use interface{} or reflect Thinkofdeath ?
01:48 < Thinkofdeath> interface
01:48 < Thinkofdeath> I think
01:48 < Thinkofdeath> Let me find it
01:48 < Thinkofdeath> I wrote it awhile ago
01:49 < toqueteos> don't worry it's just curiosity
01:49 < toqueteos> don't search it if you are busy
01:49 < Thinkofdeath> https://gist.github.com/thinkofdeath/f85632e752c21126edba 
01:49 < Thinkofdeath> Nah not busy
01:51 < toqueteos> similar approach.. WriteTo but not the one io.Copy uses.. interesting
01:52 < Thinkofdeath> Yeah, tags in a list are different
01:52 < toqueteos> i made the integer/real types another package so i could use them for packets too
01:53 < toqueteos> all other things seem more or less the same
01:53 < Thinkofdeath> Using binary.Write in your types/real?
01:53 < toqueteos> yes
01:54 < toqueteos> i see you used math
01:54 < toqueteos> Floatfrombits..
01:54 < toqueteos> didn't thought of it
01:54 < Thinkofdeath> Might of changed since i last benchmarked it but it was very slow because of reflection
01:54 < toqueteos> probably.. i didn't benchmark my nbt package
01:55 < Thinkofdeath> (Benchmarked about 1-2 years ago)
01:55 < toqueteos> first make it work then make it fast
01:55 < toqueteos> my current philosophy
01:55 < Thinkofdeath> True
01:55 < Thinkofdeath> Yeah it was just big on the pprof graph :P
01:56 < toqueteos> can i use your CFB8 implementation to check if my thing is working?
01:56 < Thinkofdeath> Go for it
01:56 < toqueteos> thanks
01:56 < Thinkofdeath> Its ported from somewhere
01:56 < Thinkofdeath> Not sure where...
01:59 < Thinkofdeath> Found it: https://code.google.com/p/caffeine-hx/source/browse/trunk/ext3/chx/crypt/mode/CFB8.hx?r=663
02:00 < Thinkofdeath> toqueteos: Anyway going to sleep now, hope you get your server working
02:00 < toqueteos> same here, thanks
02:00 < toqueteos> many thanks
02:01 < Thinkofdeath> np
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02:03 < toqueteos> "For the Initial Vector (IV) and AES setup, both sides use the secret key." Does this mean that shared secret is used both as key and iv?
02:04 <+sadimusi> yes
02:05 < toqueteos> ok, just to ensure i did understand it. thanks sadimusi
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04:05 < MonkeyPwns> Hello
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04:07 < MonkeyPwns> I started a minecraft smp server software recently
04:08 < MonkeyPwns> It's on github (/bedrockdev/)
04:08 < MonkeyPwns> I am in need of developers
04:08 < MonkeyPwns> Any takers?
04:23 < SinZ> you have no code at all on that github...
04:24 < MonkeyPwns> I know 
04:24 < MonkeyPwns> I'm trying to get a stable team ready, before I try anything big.
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04:31 < TkTech> I have *never* heard that before.
04:32 < MonkeyPwns> :P
04:33 < MonkeyPwns> I will start as soon as I have at least one other person contributing
04:38 < MonkeyPwns> Or in other words, I don't have the knowledge to get it done by myself.
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05:09 < TkTech> Years and years and I still don't understand why people think that's how it works.
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11:30 < dav1d> MadMockers: well, if you want a team out of nothinh, pay me
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15:22 < MadMockers> dav1d: wat
15:22 < dav1d> MadMockers: give me money and I code for you
15:22 < MadMockers> what are you even talking about
15:23 < MadMockers> Perhaps you meant MonkeyPwns?
15:23 < dav1d> MadMockers: sorry fail highlight
15:23 < dav1d> :(
15:23 < dav1d> the znc backlog threw me off
15:23 < MadMockers> can i give you cookies?
15:23 < MadMockers> that's all i got
15:23 < zutto> did someone mention cookies?
15:23 < MadMockers> err
15:23 < MadMockers> no
15:23 < MadMockers> no cookies here
15:23 < MadMockers> carry on
15:23 < zutto> :(
15:24 < dav1d> :O
15:24 < dav1d> cookies :D
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15:36 < toqueteos> Thinkofdeath: thanks to what you pointed me yesterday I just pushed my first server /not-complete-but-working/ implementation. Thanks!
15:36 < Thinkofdeath> np :)
15:43 < toqueteos> if you open source your version let me know i'll gladly contribute
15:48 < Thinkofdeath> Maybe I will at some point
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21:37 < MonkeyPwns> Hello citizens of #mcdevs
21:38 < MonkeyPwns> I've returned c: This time, in my github repo (BedrockDev/Bedrock) i've got some stuff on there
21:38 < MonkeyPwns> I need some developers to help me with it
21:38 < MonkeyPwns> Any takers?
21:44 < dav1d> if you pay me
21:45 < dav1d> oh shit in java
21:47 < MonkeyPwns> lol
21:49 < dav1d> MonkeyPwns: it's hard to get people for free for a new project out of nowhere
21:49 < dav1d> (except you pay them)
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22:00 < MonkeyPwns> Hmm
22:00 < MonkeyPwns> Well that sucks for me :(
22:02 < dexter0> why not contribute to another mcserver project like Craft.Net or Spout instead?
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22:21 < MonkeyPwns> well
22:22 < MonkeyPwns> the point of me doing this is trying to see if I can lead a project; or in other words making my own unique decisions
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22:41 < mpa1212> How would I go about feeding text into a server running through a terminal?
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22:47 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/8lN7OA
22:47 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker 9d59ac8 - mc: Minor fixes
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22:51 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/e1UCFA
22:51 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker b271fd6 - mc: Minor fixes Signed-off-by: Jakob Bornecrantz <wallbraker@gmail.com>
22:52 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker pushed 3 commits to wip-d2-port [+3/-3/±143] http://git.io/aNEZqw
22:52 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker 9fa2ae5 - charge: Remove non-ported parts Signed-off-by: Jakob Bornecrantz <wallbraker@gmail.com>
22:52 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker 9a1d0e7 - charge: Port to D2 Signed-off-by: Jakob Bornecrantz <wallbraker@gmail.com>
22:52 < Not-001> [Miners] Wallbraker 09f33f2 - sys: Fixes for delete going away Signed-off-by: Jakob Bornecrantz <wallbraker@gmail.com>
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02:01 < TkTech> …by not leaving before someone has a chance to answer.
02:01 < TkTech> (Although that might have been 80 hours ago, my timestamps are messed up)
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02:33 < Jailout2000> They left about 45 seconds after saying hello.
02:35 < toqueteos> hi MonkeyPwns
02:35 < MonkeyPwns> Hey
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02:38 < toqueteos> aand he left
02:38 < toqueteos> good night mcdevs
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05:01 < TkTech> Grum, You guys ever gonna smack classic around?
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08:39 < Grum> TkTech: people will complain
08:39 < Grum> but our intention is to move it to a place where you can just find it, we'll not point at it
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09:23 < SinZ> iirc, classic servers don't work right with mojang accounts
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11:08 <+md_5> Grum on a scale of 1-10, how likely is an X-Forwarded-For type PluginChannel/packet to be added. I already send one to my custom server before sending Ping/Handshake, and it works really nicely,  you can just swap out the cached InetSocketAddress
11:08 <+md_5> Really useful if you have a proxy/ddos protection/etc
11:14 < Dinnerbone> That stuff is why we have plugin channels!
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11:15 <+md_5> Dinnerbone I meant *In vanilla*
11:15 <+md_5> I already have said channel in my server: Channel-Login, String-IP, int-port
11:15 < Dinnerbone> And vanilla won't get any use out of that (aside from a possible exploit vector. That shouldn't be used unless you know you're in a proxy situation)
11:15 <+md_5> the port is useless, but might as well replicate exactly
11:16 <+md_5> D:
11:17 <+md_5> People have DDOS protection on vanilla servers, I'm sure of it!
11:18 <+md_5> people use bungee on vanilla, equally unlikely, but still
11:18 < Dinnerbone> And if it's built into the server or the server is taught how to be aware of it, it ain't vanilla anymore!
11:19  * md_5 waits till X-Fowarded-For becomes part of the http spec, so he can call it vanilla html
11:19 < Dinnerbone> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16138264/nginx-proxy-pass-to-minecraft-server
11:20 <+md_5> lmao
11:20 <+md_5> was only asked yesterday
11:22 <+md_5> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petersson-forwarded-for-00
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15:29 < TkTech> Grum, Righto. From my perspective it's lived its time.
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15:41 < _dd_> Hey everybody
15:41 < _dd_> To anyone which has experience with the Minecraft protocol, are strings zero-terminated?
15:42 <+Fador> no.
15:42 <+ammar2> nope, they're prepended with a short dictating their length
15:47 < _dd_> Thanks guys!
15:53 < TkTech> _dd_, And don't make the 2nd common mistake; they're UCS-2.
15:55 < TkTech> Anyone think we should have a checklist page?
15:55 < TkTech> Just for the common starter problems like string encoding and encryption.
15:56 <+ammar2> toss 'em in the FAQ page and emphasize it a bit more
16:06 < _dd_> Thank you, TkTech :)
16:06 < pbunny> _dd_: and string length short is big-endian :)
16:08 < _dd_> There should be an article regarding all these things...
16:08 < _dd_> Also, is there a translation project for the wiki?
16:08 < _dd_> I would be happy to translate the articles in Italian
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16:30 <+ammar2> pbunny: everything is big endian :P
16:30 <+ammar2> network order
16:39 < Grum> TkTech: from ours as well, but apparently there is still a community around it; i just think it should not be as visible as it is right now
16:40 < Grum> also doing stuff from java makes it easier than from other languages! (because you can find that source ;)
16:40 < pbunny> Grum: and uglier :)
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16:41 < Grum> pbunny: looks quite simple/elegant in java though
16:41 < Grum> it gets ugly when you try to be compatible with it ;)
16:41 <+ammar2> classic introduced me to the game, there's something about building stuff with other players that a demo just can't get close to
16:41 < pbunny> it gets ugly when you try to optimize it to not use 1Gb per chunk etc
16:42 <+ammar2> my decission to get the game was heavily introduced by my day or two in classic
16:42 < pbunny> then you understand that java sucks, and use a good language like C
16:43 <+ammar2> uhh..good job brain s/introduced/influenced/
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17:02 < TkTech> _dd_, I'm sure we could use translations but then we have the problem of maintaining it.
17:02 < TkTech> _dd_, English at least is the Latin of the day, pretty much everyone in CS can read it.
17:03 < TkTech> Grum, it's simplicity is its popularity (and the whole free thing).
17:03 < TkTech> Grum, Plus, Notch messed up and released classic and infdev jars that aren't obfuscated at all.
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17:29 < Grum> pbunny: 'a good language like c'
17:29 < Grum> could i get your code that runs in linux and osx right now?
17:29 < Grum> TkTech: it's also a VERY bad demo of minecraft
17:30 < pbunny> Grum: a good C code will run on any OS with sane compiler
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17:30 < Grum> pbunny: so compile it for me so it runs on osx
17:30 < pbunny> unless it's designed for specific OS
17:30 < pbunny> i design my mc server for linux only, so i use pthreads
17:30 < pbunny> and i give no sh*t about apple and m$
17:30 < Grum> oh wait, so you write very shitty c code eventhough the language is good?
17:30 < Calinou> finally someone makes linux-only software :D
17:30 < pbunny> i will never use them
17:31 < Grum> so hows it going with the: 'all in memory minecraft' ?
17:31 < Grum> also a chunk doesnt take 1gb in java o.O
17:31 < pbunny> Grum: good
17:31 < Grum> did you already solve the persistence issue?
17:32 < pbunny> i predict its completion somewhere near July
17:32 < pbunny> persistence?
17:32 < Grum> well, power fails .. all your world data is gone :p
17:32 < pbunny> ...
17:32 < pbunny> world is saved to disk periodically
17:32 < pbunny> asynchronously
17:32 < Grum> sadly it doesnt really allow for unlimited worlds :/
17:32 < Grum> how far did you get with implementing minecraft sofar?
17:33 < Grum> already did mobs/ai/redstone/'growing of stuff' ?
17:33 < pbunny> Grum: i am doing the second version now, which has multithreaded worlds
17:33 < Grum> so the first one is finished?
17:33 < pbunny> currently world structure is mostly ready, also there are working world chunk threads, some entity processing (i.e. cross-chunk migrations)
17:34 < pbunny> Grum: the first one didn't have multithreaded worlds
17:34 < Calinou> lol, remaking a MC server
17:34 < pbunny> and it had some other problems
17:34 < Calinou> can you learn other things instead? like, nouveau reclocking?
17:34 < Calinou> things that would be useful? ;-;
17:34 < Grum> so wait, if you shoot an arrow you will depending on your shot have that arrow in 4-40 threads? :P
17:34 < pbunny> Calinou: as far as i know, no mc server currently has truly independent world
17:34 < Grum> 'independent world' ?
17:34 < pbunny> all current servers are just some kind of combined single player
17:35 < Grum> you are not making any sense
17:35 < pbunny> Grum: world that is there independently of players
17:35 < pbunny> i.e. furnaces work, wheat grows etc
17:35 < pbunny> mobs move
17:35 < Grum> you do know why that is right?
17:35 < pbunny> yes, it will be a true multiplayer server
17:35 < pbunny> not singleplayer with shared map
17:35 < Grum>  < Grum> already did mobs/ai/redstone/'growing of stuff' ? <-- that question kinda spoils it
17:36 < Grum> because you didn't do those things yet
17:36 < pbunny> don't see much problems there
17:36 < Grum> ofcourse you do not :P
17:36 < Calinou> furnaces working when chunks are not loaded is theorically possible, as in, "minetest does that"
17:36 < Calinou> but it is a whole different game. but still MC-like
17:36 < pbunny> Grum: if you fund me, i wouldn't had to have a job and could develop server faster
17:36 < Calinou> it's not like it is important or even balanced
17:36 < Calinou> it's part of the fantasy thing
17:36 < Calinou> can you place redstone in air? nope
17:36 < Grum> pbunny: i've seen snipets of your code, it makes me want to throw up
17:37 < pbunny> Grum: what snippets?
17:37 < Grum> you pasted some stuff before
17:37 < pbunny> Calinou: in my server there is no concept like "chunks loaded"
17:37 < pbunny> everything is always there (in memory) and is being processed
17:37 < Grum> also did you ever write an efficient lighting algorithm?
17:37 < pbunny> not yet
17:37 < Grum> did you do mobspawns?
17:37 < Grum> mob ai?
17:37 < Grum> pathing?
17:37 < Grum> redstone?
17:37 < pbunny> no?
17:38 < pbunny> the second version is 1 week old now
17:38 < Grum> random block updates?