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21:50 < Grum> ShaRose: they already know for some time
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22:05 < SL37> How do I convert the servers RSA key (that was received in ASN1 format) from packet 0xFD back into an RSA key?
22:05 < SL37> I am working in java.
22:06 < SL37> Key rsa_key = KeyFactory.getInstance("RSA").generatePublic(new X509EncodedKeySpec(asn1_key_byte_arr));
22:06 < SL37> That is what I have and doesn't seem to be working.
22:09 < Grum> look at the mc code? :P
22:10 < SinZ> Grum: this isn't #minecraftforge where all answers are look at mc code <3
22:13 < Grum> SL37:
22:13 < Grum>             final EncodedKeySpec keySpec = new X509EncodedKeySpec(keyData);
22:13 < Grum>             final KeyFactory keyFactory = KeyFactory.getInstance(ASYMMETRIC_ALGORITHM);
22:13 < Grum>             return keyFactory.generatePublic(keySpec);
22:13 < SL37> Yeah I was thinking of looking at the MC code. I saw there was a semi nice program to even mostly de-obfuscate. I checked out what I could find online since decompiling will take a little time and I assume the de-obfuscate will also.
22:13 < Grum> public static final String ASYMMETRIC_ALGORITHM = "RSA";
22:14 < Grum> so yeah that should be working
22:14 < Grum> a little time being ~15 mins setup and 1 minute running 
22:14 < Grum> 1 minute for the first one if you have done it before :p
22:14 < edk> deobfuscation isn't perfect, obviously
22:14 < Grum> you must be mangling the bytedata?
22:15 < SL37> No I haven't. Nor am I aware of what the obfuscated code is. So I cant even pull out say class ssn.class or something.
22:15 < Grum> anyhow, i just pasted how we do it in minecraft itself :)
22:15 < Grum> which looks rather similar to what you do
22:15 < SL37> I don't think so. I dumped both an RSA and an enc_aes key.
22:16 < Grum> erm
22:16 < Grum> you do realize i actually have access? and i just literally pasted it from our sourcebase right? :)
22:16 < SL37> From a vanilla client connection to a vanilla server.
22:16 < SL37> Since in my client I am getting my auth working. The server returns an fc packet with zero payload.
22:17 < edk> SL37, are you saying the AES key is transmitted over the network connection?
22:17 < SL37> But then after that I tried and send my client status packet with a 0 encrypted with my aes key and no go.
22:17 < SL37> And yes, it sends the AES key enc by the servers RSA key in packet FC
22:17 < Grum> with your aes key?
22:17 < Grum> you should crypt it with the public key you get from the server (the RSA one)
22:18 < Grum> that way only the server can read your aes key
22:18 < Grum> which was the whole point of that code :)
22:18 < SL37> Yeah so I made an AES key and sent it enc by the servers RSA key.
22:18 < edk> or someone with a quantum computer, which is not a serious consideration at this point in time
22:18 < SL37> Along with an enc of the verify.
22:18 < edk> so i'm not /quite/ sure why i mentioned it
22:19 < SL37> The server then responded with an empty fc packet.
22:19 < SL37> Which should mean that I properly enc-ed everything since it thinks the verify is good.
22:19 < SL37> But then once I try and send my client status packet I get an instant kick.
22:19 < SL37> Sorry not kick, drop.
22:20 < SL37> "lost connection.:
22:20 < SL37> My cipher for encypting my aes packet is "AES/CFB8/NoPadding" so idk what is up.
22:21 < SL37> I am trying to get back a vanilla client's AES key that was enc-ed by an RSA key which I also dumped. That way I can re-create the same cd packet.
22:22 < Grum> you dumped this key on the serverside right?
22:22 < SL37> In the middle. I ran a packet sniffer.
22:22 < Grum> you need the private part of that RSA key
22:22 < Grum> yeah, you cant
22:22 < SL37> Ah I see then.
22:22 < SL37> That would make sense.
22:23 < SL37> Damn ok so then I think I know what may be up.
22:23 < Grum> yeah you are trrying to play man in the middle, which you cant :p
22:23 < Grum> which was the whole reason why I added this in the first place, so you couldn't do that anymore ;)
22:23 < SL37> I forgot I can only enc with the pub key.
22:24 < ShaRose> technically you can decrypt with the public key: stuff that was encrypted by the private key :P
22:24 < ShaRose> it's a pair and works both ways
22:24 < ShaRose> though you should never do that
22:24 < ShaRose> because it'll potentially leak information about the other
22:24 < SL37> Yeah although it was enc-ed by the pub key.
22:25 < SL37> Hmm then I have no idea what is wrong with my send.
22:25 < SL37> I can enc and dec with the same AES key though no?
22:26 < ShaRose> you are trying to do the thing that the protocol was specifically designed to make impossible (or rather really really hard)
22:26 < Grum> yes, that one is symmetric
22:26 < ShaRose> yes
22:26 < ShaRose> ^
22:26 < Grum> but for someone in the middle there is no way of knowing what the aes key is
22:26 < SL37> No I will be running on my modded client.
22:26 < ShaRose> ^
22:26 < SL37> Which will be creating the aes key.
22:27 < SL37> I was only attempting to dump the keys so then I could try and match the traffic with a vanilla MC.
22:27 < SL37> Since that is out the window I have to hack away at my 0xCD response to see what is up.
22:28 < ShaRose> or alternatively modify the connection handling class to copy and route all information to another connection after it decrypts
22:29 < SL37> Yeah I was hoping not to have to hack through a ton of MC code. But I will give this another try since I have a feeling I am doing something stuoid on my part.
22:29 < Grum> you dont really have much of a choice :p
22:29 < SL37> I am going to try sending the CD packet un encrypted to see if it even looks right.
22:29 < SL37> Since somewhere might be throwing my order around.
22:30 < SL37> Or something idk.
22:34 < SL37> So my unencrypted packet should look like (cd 00) yeah?
22:35 < SL37> Two bytes 0 for spawn.
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22:49 < SL37> Hmm I have my AES key which allows me to encrypt fine. But once I try and make a decrypt cipher it tells me there are parameters missing? What am I doing wrong.
22:49 < SL37> KeyGenerator keyGen = KeyGenerator.getInstance("AES");
22:49 < SL37> 			keyGen.init(128);
22:49 < SL37> 			k = keyGen.generateKey();
22:50 < SL37> k is a SecretKey btw.
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22:54 < SL37> Ah apparently I need the IV I think.
22:57 < SinZ> IV is the key
23:02 < SL37> Oh so should I be sending the IV to the server?
23:02 < SL37> Not my AES?
23:06 < SL37> OH I think I get what is up now.
23:07 < SL37> I have been doing this way out of wack ah cool cool.
23:18 < SL37> So what exactly am I sending back during the FC packet?
23:22 < SL37> I should be sending a 16byte AES key that I generate no?
23:27 < SL37> Ah there we go got it working :)
23:37 < dav1d> graz
23:51 < SinZ> hmm, no Query implementation in C#
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23:56 <+ammar2> dav1d: was that awesomeomium problem fixed?
23:56 <+ammar2> with the choppy animations
23:57 < dav1d> ammar2: it will be in awesomium 1.7.5
23:57 < dav1d> but I think I will drop awesomium
23:57 < dav1d> it is really awesome, but too fat
23:57 < dav1d> also I don't like it that it's closed source
23:57 <+ammar2> yeah, its a pretty heavy dependency
23:58  * SinZ has never heard of awesomium
23:58 < dav1d> SinZ: chromium offscreen rendering helper thingy
23:58 < SinZ> ah
23:58 < dav1d> so you render html to a texture
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00:00 <+ammar2> though I've never been able to figure out how to make pretty GUIs with native applictions :P
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00:58 < SL37> How do I send the sha1hash to the joinserver.jsp? Should it be in its raw byte form or do I need to be converting it to a string?
00:59 < SL37> For example say the first value of the key is 21, do I send 21 or do I send "21"
00:59 < dav1d> it's a sha1 hash in hex converted to twos compliment first, iirc
01:00 < SL37> Yeah which is fine. It appears that (byte)val automatically places it in twos.
01:00 < SL37> As well as there is no leading zeros.
01:00 < dav1d> yeah java, lol
01:01 < SL37> I am getting back OK from my joinserver request but my server is still popping up Failed to varify username. So I assume this is a problem with my hash.
01:01 < SL37> md.update(server_id.getBytes("US-ASCII"));
01:01 < SL37> 			md.update(shared_secret);
01:01 < SL37> 			md.update(server_rsa_enc);
01:02 < SL37> sha1hash = md.digest();
01:02 < SL37> So I am pretty sure I am generating the hash correctly.
01:04 <+ammar2> well thats slightly misleading
01:04 <+ammar2> why would you call your sha1 hash object md
01:05 < SL37> No I called my message digest md.
01:05 < SL37> And I am just trying to get things working. My code is atrocious.
01:11 < SL37> And my sha1object that is the byte array is called sha1hash.
01:11 < SL37> Although I could have called my digest sha1hash and then just sent sha1hash.digest();
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03:53 < SL37> What does it mean by "sha1.update(ASCII encoding of the server id string from 0xFD)"
03:53 < SL37> I am confused by the ASCII encoding part.
03:54 < SL37> When I grab the server id I read it in as a character in USC-2 format when I get it from 0xFD
03:54 < SL37> Should I be reading it in ascii format?
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04:00 <+ammar2> SL37: what language were you using again?
04:00 < SL37> Java
04:00 < SL37> When creating my hash it doesn't seem to be working. I assume I am reading or placing the server id into my sha1 incorrectly.
04:01 < SL37> My hash isn't matching up with the servers hash it is creating.
04:02 < zutto> I was wondering, is the http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ page still accurate as of 1.5.x?
04:03 < SL37> Weird, jsut worked. But it mostly fails?
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04:10 < SL37> Hmm seems to be working perfectly now. Idk whats up because I didn't change anything.
04:10 < roblabla> It's magic
04:11 < SL37> Yup it is only working some of the time. Weird so I am reading in the server id incorrectly.
04:22 < SL37> In java how should I be reading in the string. I am having a hard time with this apparently?
04:22 < SL37> I am using a DataInputBuffer
04:23 < SL37> When using in.readChar() it is failing to read it in properly I think since my sha1 is screwing up.
04:26 < SL37> Ah damn ok nope it is my hexdigest method
04:31 < zutto> so.. could someone give me hints what i am missing / failing on, i'm building a console client for minecraft in c#/mono.. and i am sending handshake, the 0xCD packet, and i am receiving the player coordinates (0x0D), and i am re-sending them back to the server with stance & y swapped (as instructed in the wiki), and then i am trying to re-send the packet with increased x&y values (x+1 - y+1), and yet the 
04:31 < zutto> client isnt moving in the server at all
04:31 < zutto> I am able to send messages and stuff just fine, and the client appears in server
04:33 < SinZ> anyone know who made the team800 MC classic client?
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04:51 <+md_5> zutto 1 is too large, send more smaller ones
04:51 < zutto> how small are we talking about? 0.1, 0.01?
04:52 < zutto> cause i started with 0.5 ;l
04:52 <+md_5> 0.1
04:52 < zutto> i'll give it a go
04:52 <+md_5> cant recall what my bot does, but I;m leaving now so cant check
04:55 < zutto> no luck with decreasing the amount it moves :/
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05:02 < zutto> strange thing about this whole problem is that if i intentionally set the values to some random numbers, i get kicked with  "[SEVERE] bot was caught trying to crash the server with an invalid position." message in console
05:03 < zutto> so i would assume nothing is wrong with how i send the packet there
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05:29 < SL37> Can anyone tell me what exactly is the point of the http authentication?
05:30 < zutto> to verify that you have 'legit' client?
05:30 < SL37> If a server is in offline mode does it lose any features?
05:30 < zutto> legit as in you have bought minecraft
05:30 < zutto> no, i dont think so
05:31 < SL37> Alright that is what I figured. And I assume a client then cannot have multiple session ids?
05:31 < zutto> no idea about that
05:32 < SL37> Hmm either way I should be alright.
05:36 < zutto> grh, i am really lost 
05:37 < zutto> been trying to figure this out for few hours now
05:41 < SL37> What are you stuck with?
05:42 < zutto> i'm unable to get my bot to move
05:42 < zutto> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5381335 <- 
05:43 < SL37> What language?
05:43 < zutto> c#/mono
05:44 < SL37> I'll take a look. I haven't gotten that far yet.
05:44 < zutto> kay
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05:53 < zutto> holy shit
05:53 < zutto> i was packing the packet wrong >_>
05:54 < zutto> and yes, i just spent 5 hours figuring that out.. i was 100% sure it was correct -.-
05:57 < SL37> That is aweful. I just made ice-cream and screwed it up :(
05:58 < SL37> I also spent like 2 days getting this damn server authentication working and realized right after I did it that I really didn't need to do it.
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00:23 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1959 2 files : Documentation improvements in PlayerDB class. 
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06:25 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1961 12 files : API change: Replaced boolean parameters of Server's and PlayerDB's player-finding methods with enum flags (PlayerSearchOptions). 
06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/xTQ_TQ
06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] stith d0664f3 - Connect to a server's SRV record if they specify one
06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] stith 8825541 - Only look for SRV records if necessary Vanilla client implementation only looks for SRV records when the server port isn't specified, so let's mirror that behavior.
06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo a48d6dc - Merge pull request #55 from stith/patch-1 Connect to a server's SRV record if they specify one
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07:40 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] http://git.io/IasY9g
07:40 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 664c7e3 - print sent and received packet contents in debug mode
07:40 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 75d9229 - README: added how to enable debugging output
07:40 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo b98e1b2 - README: added links to the mentioned github users
07:40 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo c6b9d2c - Release 0.10.0
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09:14 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1962 4 files : Improved PlayerSearchOptions support and documentation. 
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10:58 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1963 2 files : Fixed handling of PlayerSearchOptions.ReturnSelfIfNoOthersMatched flag in PlayerDB.FindPlayerInfoOrPrintMatches. Holy crap these names are getting verbose. 
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11:43 < pbunny> what is the difference between default, flat, or largeBiomes level-type ?
11:43 < SinZ> thats vannila world generation
11:44 < pbunny> what does it mean to client?
11:44 < pbunny> they are sent in login request
11:44 < SinZ> flat doesnt render void fog, and not sure what largeBiomes has
11:46 < pbunny> where did you get that info from?
11:48 < SinZ> flatland worlds dont have void fog, I know from experience
11:49 < jast> flat would be pretty pointless with void fog
11:50 < jast> chances are largeBiomes is not actually different on the client side
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11:51 <+Fador> was that parameter already there when the client generated biomes?
11:55 < pbunny> what is the purpose of sending Difficulty to client?
11:58 < jast> informational, most likely
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16:48 < inkoate> In response to my server's login packet, the client is giving the error "Received string length longer than maximum allowed (1792 > 16)"
16:48 < inkoate> Does anyone know what exactly that means? I don't think I'm sending 1792 bytes to the client in the login packet.
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17:02 < inkoate> Is binary.BigEndian.PutUint32 the best way to convert from int to []byte?
17:02 < inkoate> And why is there not a signed version?
17:02 < inkoate> whoops, wrong window, sorry, ignore.
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17:07 < SL37> It states that I can send an 0xCD packet in response to an 0xFD packet to bypass encryption no?
17:07 < SL37> I am trying to do that and the server forces 'lost connection'
17:08 < SL37> Ah figured it out.
17:12 < SL37> I assume enc cannot be bypassed with online-mode:true
17:12 < SL37> Since it needs the enc to create the username verify hash?
17:12 < pbunny> inkoate: check endianness of string length short
17:13 < pbunny> 1792 is 7 if endianess reversed
17:13 < pbunny> which is probably the real length of string you send
17:13 < inkoate> huh
17:14 < pbunny> $ebuf=openssl_decrypt($buf,'aes-128-cfb8',$secret,true);
17:14 < pbunny> this decrypts the data from server wrong
17:14 < pbunny> number of decrypted bytes is ok, but they are not as they are supposed to be
17:14 < pbunny> and $secret is correct
17:14 < pbunny> any suggestions?
17:15 < inkoate> bam, just that easy. Thank you pbunny 
17:16 < pbunny> np
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18:45 < Grum>  <SL37> I assume enc cannot be bypassed with online-mode:true <-- indeed
18:54 < ezdiy> well
18:54 < ezdiy> assuming the launcher uses http://session.mc.net
18:54 < ezdiy> and not https://
18:54 < ezdiy> its matter of simple /etc/hosts on client side? :)
18:56 < inkoate> Does the client expect chunk data in a 16x16x16 three dimensional array of bytes?
18:59 < ezdiy> inkoate: http://wiki.vg/SMP_Map_Format#Data
19:01 < inkoate> Yeah, I've read that.
19:01 < inkoate> It just says "whole byte per block"
19:02 < inkoate> which doesn't say if its multidimensional arrays or just one long array.
19:02 < ezdiy> Blocks are ordered Y, Z, X, i.e. the 'X' coordinate changes fastest.
19:02 < ezdiy> ie each 16x16x16 is multidim in y,z,x order
19:03 < ezdiy> column is then couple of such cubes one after another
19:04 < ezdiy> inkoate: 'whole byte per block' means just that
19:05 < ezdiy> block type array is 4096 in size and so on
19:05 < inkoate> Yeah, I get that. I'm just wondering about the actual data structure.
19:06 < ezdiy> yeah
19:06 < ezdiy> https://github.com/barneygale/smpmap/blob/master/smpmap.py
19:06 < inkoate> I guess I don't know yet how deflate works, so maybe I need to look at that.
19:06 < ezdiy> i used that to get actual idea
19:06 < ezdiy> deflate is just compression, not actually relevant in grand scheme of things :)
19:07 < ezdiy> and yes, the packet format is braindamaged and horribly inefficient, much like anything mc related :)
19:07 < inkoate> lol, yeah
19:09 < inkoate> ok, yeah, so this stores it in a flat array
19:09 < inkoate> not a multidim
19:09 < inkoate> so the 17th item is actually the first item of the second row.
19:09 < inkoate> it seems.
19:10 < ezdiy> offset 16 yeah :)
19:11 < ezdiy> ie y=0,z=1,x=0
19:12 < inkoate> yeah, exactly.
19:12 < inkoate> ok
19:12 < inkoate> thanks for the link. :)
19:13 < pbunny> wtf
19:13 < pbunny> my skin changed to bear on my server
19:13 < pbunny> O.o
19:13 < dav1d> pedobear?
19:14 < pbunny> yes
19:14 < pbunny> looks like him
19:15 < dav1d> then pay for minecraft so you have your own skin?
19:15 < pbunny> http://dump.bitcheese.net/images/ysoceke/2013-04-15_20.05.16.png
19:15 < pbunny> O.o
19:15 < pbunny> how so?
19:15 < pbunny> is today a pedobear day?
19:15 < Flemmard> i dont think one day could even be a pedobear day
19:15 < ezdiy> dav1d: yeah i do that a lot
19:16 < ezdiy> whenever someone loves to impersonate me on cracked server
19:16 < ezdiy> just change skin to black person with swastikas :)
19:18 < pbunny> well this is my server and its running on localhost
19:18 < pbunny> i coded it
19:18 < pbunny> today, skin is of pedobear for some reason
19:18 < pbunny> so it's a client thingie
19:18 < ezdiy> skin is downloaded by client indeed
19:18 < pbunny> even if i don't do minecraft.net auth?
19:18 < ezdiy> especially if you dont do mc.net auth :)
19:19 < ezdiy> you're wearing skin of whomever's nick youre wearing
19:19 < pbunny> O.o
19:19 < dav1d> pbunny: of course it is
19:19 < pbunny> ezdiy: wow!
19:19 < dav1d> buy minecraft then you can set your own skin
19:19 < pbunny> well nick is Player133
19:20 < dav1d> client fetches it from some amazon node
19:20 < ezdiy> http://mcskinsearch.com/skin/Player133
19:20 < ezdiy> well
19:20 < ezdiy> its a pedobear!
19:20 < ezdiy> :)
19:20 < pbunny> O_O
19:20 < pbunny> well.. its only for me, isn't it?
19:20 < pbunny> the Player133 is sent by client to server on connect, but ignored by server
19:21 < pbunny> since login he will use nickname that is registered on server
19:21 < ezdiy> no sorry cant do
19:21 < ezdiy> one has to admit this kind of drm is brilliant
19:22 < ezdiy> pbunny: only workaround is to force all your players to hack /etc/hosts
19:22 < ezdiy> which you want to do anyway for proper auth
19:22 < ezdiy>  /login in chat is just retarded :)
19:22 < pbunny> ezdiy: when client looks up skins of other players?
19:23 < pbunny> when server sends Spawn Named Entity ?
19:23 < ezdiy> yep
19:23 < pbunny> hmm, so technically somebody can register as Player133 on my server and appear to be pedobear to others?
19:23 < dav1d> you see the exact url when the skin servers are down
19:23 < ezdiy> as long theyre using unmoded client, yes
19:23 < roblabla> There's another workaround...
19:23 < ezdiy> roblabla: hmm?
19:23 < roblabla> Make your clients use a mod
19:23 < ezdiy> yeah
19:24 < ezdiy> yep
19:24 < roblabla> Much easier o_O
19:24 < ezdiy> depends
19:24 < pbunny> i don't see any problems of funny skins running on my server
19:24 < pbunny> :)
19:24 < ezdiy>  /etc/hosts is portable across new mc releases
19:24 < roblabla> erm... yeah... but it's a pain to ask your clients to edit
19:24 < dav1d> ezdiy: windows? tell a windows user to edit his host...
19:24 < roblabla> especially since the majority of minecraft players are kids who have no idea what the hosts file is
19:24 < ezdiy> roblabla: just edit via launcher :)
19:25 < roblabla> dav1d: windows has a hosts file too
19:25 < dav1d> somewhere in system32/config shit
19:25 < dav1d> no one will go there
19:25 < ezdiy> ie launcher can stay the same
19:25 < dav1d> roblabla: tell this a windows user...
19:25 < ezdiy> modding minecraft.jar is pita
19:25 < dav1d> grep for the url and replace it in the jar?
19:25 < roblabla> It's not that bad ...
19:25 < ezdiy> dav1d: yeah, that probably too
19:25 < dav1d> roblabla: for you and me, someone who never even touched windows or system32 gets a big security warning
19:26 < dav1d> also
19:26 < dav1d> pay for the fucking game
19:26 < dav1d> 10$
19:26 < ezdiy> or use fully opensource alternatives
19:26 < ezdiy> if youre die hard gpl hippy
19:26 < dav1d> ^ which don't exist
19:26 < ezdiy> well all are inferior indeed
19:26 < roblabla> They do. They just suck.
19:26 < dav1d> well, no client which ehm is playable
19:26 < dav1d> roblabla: thanks :P
19:27 < pbunny> um, guys
19:27 < pbunny> i have no problem with pedobears running around on my server
19:27 < ezdiy> pbunny: what about nazi niggers? :)
19:27 < dav1d> ezdiy: that's what he gets for not paying
19:27 < dav1d> ezdiy: also this would be kinda funny again
19:27 < ezdiy> pbunny: you should probably implement mc.net auth
19:28 < roblabla> mc.net auth ??? And I wish I could send custom skins to the clients
19:28 < ezdiy> haha
19:28 < ezdiy> there it goes, modded client
19:29 < roblabla> for things like NPCs, it would be so useful
19:29 < ezdiy> btw
19:29 < pbunny> ezdiy: i use my own auth on my server
19:29 < pbunny> two reasons
19:29 < ezdiy> the client could be probably modded
19:29 < ezdiy> using http_proxy env variable
19:29 < dav1d> 1. I don't have minecraft
19:29 < ezdiy> no etc hosts
19:29 < pbunny> 1) faster connect 2) reliability, independence from minecraft.net servers
19:30 < roblabla> bwahaha
19:30 < roblabla> faster connect ?
19:30 < pbunny> i.e. if they shut them down, my server remains
19:30 < roblabla> I kinda doubt that
19:30 < ezdiy> pbunny: sure, those are all legit reasons
19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: yeah, one less request from client and from server
19:30 < ezdiy> except
19:30 < ezdiy> everyone bought into mohjang drm scheme
19:30 < ezdiy> so 
19:30 < ezdiy> suck it up
19:30 < roblabla> Do you use your own mojang-like auth ?
19:30 < pbunny> ?
19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: no
19:30 < roblabla> or do you use something like authme ?
19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: its an in-game auth
19:30 < pbunny> like /login user pass
19:30 < roblabla> then let me tell you something : mojang-style is faster
19:30 < ezdiy> ingame sucks donkey balls
19:30 < pbunny> why?
19:30 < roblabla> because I have to login using /login command
19:31 < roblabla> And that's slower than typing my password and remembering it in a convenient window
19:31 < pbunny> hm
19:31 < roblabla> Thus, your statement is officially invalid.
19:31 < Flemmard> and a typo and everyone sees your pass \o/
19:31 < ezdiy> pbunny: you can implement mc auth and just direct clients to _your_ servers
19:31 < roblabla> That too, but IDC so much :P
19:31 < ezdiy> instead of mc.net
19:31 < roblabla> but ezdiy that requires a modded launcher
19:31 < ezdiy> depends
19:32 < ezdiy> might be as simple as
19:32 < roblabla> And writing your own authentication server software implementing mojang's DRM
19:32 < ezdiy> set http_proxy=http://your.server
19:32 < ezdiy> minecraft.bat
19:32 < pbunny> ezdiy: but that will require modding
19:32 < pbunny> etc
19:32 < roblabla> You still have to write your own auth server software implementing mojang's DRM
19:32 < ezdiy> pbunny: no
19:32 < ezdiy> pbunny: you just tell java to use proxy
19:32 < roblabla> And that's a PITA XD
19:32 < ezdiy> thats all
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19:32 < pbunny> ezdiy: i may implement both auth schemes in the future
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19:32 < pbunny> so regular users can use modded client, and new ones can connect using vanila
19:33 < pbunny> vanilla *
19:33 < ezdiy> yeah
19:33 < ezdiy> that probably works best
19:36 < dav1d> how was the python server called?
19:36 < dav1d> superjoe: ^ you should know that :P
19:37 < pbunny> dav1d: iirc it was called a shit
19:37 < dav1d> pbunny: what, funny today?
19:37 < pbunny> i'm totally serious
19:38 < pbunny> python is a language developed by people who ban on #python for asking "so how do i compile python to /usr/lib64 ?" type of questions
19:38 < dav1d> aha
19:38 < pbunny> and i had to make a 4Kb patch to override hardcoded /usr/lib paths everywhere
19:39 < dav1d> so you're banned on python?
19:39 < pbunny> to install it multilib
19:39 < dav1d> pbunny: LOL
19:39 < dav1d> sorry but you are dumb
19:39 < dav1d> make
19:39 < pbunny> dav1d: by default, python keeps looking into /usr/lib/python-2.7/* and you can't change it with --with-libdir=/usr/lib64
19:39 < dav1d> make install
19:39 < dav1d> with correct environment paths
19:39 < dav1d> or if it's the 2nd install, make altinstall
19:39 < pbunny> dav1d: /usr/lib is hardwired into its source
19:40 < dav1d> no it isn't lol
19:40 < pbunny> yes it is.
19:40 < pbunny> lemme check the lines
19:40 < dav1d> I can install python to ~/home/pbunny/is/dumb
19:40 < dav1d> what I actually did
19:40 < dav1d> for a virtualenv
19:41 < pbunny> dav1d: http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/idivazu/Python-2.7.3-multilib-1.patch
19:42 < dav1d> actually it's ./configure 
19:42 < dav1d> my bad
19:42 < pbunny> and http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/oxebilu/Plaintext
19:42 < dav1d> you used ./configure before right?
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19:43 < dav1d> and you know what {base} is?
19:43 < pbunny> dav1d: yeah.
19:43 < dav1d> that base can be an arbitraty path?
19:43 < pbunny> as i stated multiple times, --with-libdir=/usr/lib64 makes python install libraries into /usr/lib64
19:43 < pbunny> but he looks for his modules inside /usr/lib/python-*
19:43 < pbunny> see the patches i linked to
19:43 < pbunny> for relevant files/lines
19:43 < dav1d> holy fuck
19:44 < dav1d> I think the reason you were banned on #python was not the question but your ignorance
19:44 < pbunny> have you read the patches i linked?
19:44 < dav1d> pbunny: lol
19:45 < dav1d> ./configure --libexecdir=/usr/lib64
19:45 < dav1d> found in two minutes
19:45 < zutto> do you realize pbunny what you are asking?
19:45 < zutto> its not difficult to change the directory make compiles the files
19:45 < pbunny> zutto: right
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19:45 < pbunny> zutto: but it is difficult to make python not look for modules in /usr/lib/python-*
19:45 < pbunny> this /usr/lib is hardcoded in many of places
19:45 < dav1d> pbunny: trololo, ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64
19:46 < pbunny> zutto: http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/oxebilu/Plaintext
19:46 < pbunny> just see
19:46 < pbunny> this patch changes these hardwired locations to /usr/lib64
19:46 < dav1d> and change the patchfile
19:46 < dav1d> sed -i -e 's#$(prefix)/lib#$(prefix)/lib64#' Makefile
19:46 < pbunny> dav1d: ./configure has no influence on lines like self.library_dirs.append(os.path.join(sys.prefix, "lib", in python modules
19:46 < pbunny> please try to understand.
19:46 < pbunny> if not, i'm done with you
19:47 < dav1d> pbunny: funny
19:47 < dav1d> because the archlinux pkgbuild works
19:47 < dav1d> and it doesn't apply any patch
19:47 < dav1d> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/li/lib32-python2/PKGBUILD
19:47 < dav1d> uups
19:47 < pbunny> well i'm talking about vanilla python source tarball
19:47 < dav1d> LOL
19:47 < dav1d> srsly, this is getting funnier and funnier
19:48 < pbunny> and you know what? this PKGBUILD is not for multi-lib system
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19:48 < pbunny> ( in case you understand that term at all )
19:49 < zutto> pbunny might be actually right in this
19:49 < dav1d> wat?
19:49 < zutto> if theres no x64 version of the sauce
19:49 < dav1d> pbunny: this is to install a 32 bit version for a 64bit system
19:49 < pbunny> zutto: lines like "'stdlib': '{base}/lib/python{py_version_short}'," are totally uninfluenced by configure
19:49 < pbunny> that's what he fails to understand
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19:50 < dav1d> ok I have better things todo, even if it's just scratching my nose
19:50 < pbunny> dav1d: right. now go and google about "multilib systems"
19:50 < roblabla> what's going on ?
19:50 < pbunny> and surprisingly, amongst hundreds of software packages i built, python is the only one that have problems like that
19:50 < inkoate> pbunny doesn't like python, and dav1d is 13 years old.
19:50 < dav1d> we laughed about you, thanks, made our day, again
19:51 < inkoate> that's about it, roblabla 
19:51 < pbunny> :)
19:51 < roblabla> riiight
19:51 < roblabla> Python is an awesome language. But nodejs is better
19:51 < dav1d> ^ lol
19:51 < roblabla> that's all I can say :)
19:51 < Calinou> ^ lol
19:51 < dav1d> ^ so true
19:52 < zutto> nodejs was intresting
19:52 < zutto> until i read the word javascript
19:52 < roblabla> That's what makes it even more awesome
19:53 < roblabla> javascript is a cool language, despite it's many flaws.
19:53 < zutto> gotta give them points for using v8
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19:53 < dav1d> "javascript is a cool language, despite it's many flaws."
19:53 < dav1d> :(
19:53 < dav1d> javascript - javascript = {}
19:53 < roblabla> Whenever I want to fiddle with the minecraft protocol, I use superjoe's node-minecraft-protocol library, allows me to prototype and test stuff superfast
19:54 < roblabla> and guess what ? It's javascript :D
19:54 < zutto> when i tried nodejs, i liked the non blocking io shit in it, but it got very annoying very fast due to the bugs nodejs had
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19:54 < roblabla> AND ! It's super-easy to read and understand
19:54 < dav1d> javascripts approach: fix the language with libraries
19:54 < roblabla> zutto: what version ?
19:54 < zutto> some early version, i could assume most of them are fixed
19:54 < roblabla> With 0.8, it's very stable and pretty bug-free
19:54 < roblabla> that's the version I use
19:54 < zutto> they were all file IO related bugs
19:54 < roblabla> anyhow g2g
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19:55 < ezdiy> node is awesome
19:55 < ezdiy> till you get stuck at odd things like, um
19:56 < ezdiy> arrays with 2 billion items in it, ummm, apparently cant do
19:56 < ezdiy> (anything memory intenstive seems to be broken actually)
19:56 < pbunny> PHP and C are the only languages needed
19:56 < pbunny> PHP helps to code something fast and dirty
19:57 < pbunny> C allows for perfect elegance and performance
19:57 < zutto> i'm very much enjoying my c#/mono
19:57 < pbunny> so, i.e. for testing bot PHP is perfect
19:57 < pbunny> or for coding $ploits
19:57 < zutto> :| no
19:57 < zutto> php has no multithreading, and shitloads of bugs
19:57 < zutto> its no fun
19:58 < pbunny> yeah, it's perfect for quick and dirty work
19:58 < zutto> php is useful for small things
19:58 < pbunny> yes
19:58 < zutto> but bots? no
19:58 < pbunny> and for large things you use C
19:58 < pbunny> zutto: "testing bot" != "bot"
19:58 < zutto> testing bot is too much of a bot
19:58 < pbunny> zutto: it doesn't have to be elegant
19:59 < pbunny> you use them to test, then discard
19:59 < pbunny> like condom
19:59 < dav1d> as if C was elegant
20:00 < pbunny> totally
20:00 < pbunny> well it depends on coder
20:00 < dexter0> dav1d: it's even more elegant when you make everything a macro.
20:01 < dav1d> dexter0: HAHA
20:01 < dav1d> pbunny: then we have totally different definitions of elegance
20:01 < pbunny> dexter0: elegancy != simplicity
20:01 < pbunny> dav1d: i'm glad we have
20:02 < dav1d> xD, you don't know my defintion
20:02 < ezdiy> fast and dirty
20:02 < ezdiy> well
20:02 < ezdiy> perhaps if you dont know python or ruby
20:02 < ezdiy> :)
20:02 < ezdiy> or perl
20:02 < pbunny> ezdiy: PHP is more flexible than any of them
20:02 < ezdiy> doubt so
20:02 < zutto> no, it isnt
20:02 < pbunny> i.e. you can do eval("$var{$something++}"); etc
20:02 < ezdiy> pbunny: it all comes down to libraries
20:03 < ezdiy> language features dont matter at all
20:03 < ezdiy> for example
20:03 < ezdiy> ip range manipulation in php
20:03 < ezdiy> i think its almost impossible to this day
20:03 < ezdiy> while perl/python is just import netaddr :)
20:03 < pbunny> ezdiy: in php you don't even need that
20:03 < pbunny> you just call connect()
20:03 < ezdiy> blah
20:04 < ezdiy> pbunny: connect is sockets, nothing to do with ip/range manipulation :)
20:04 < ezdiy> good luck writing ipcalc in php
20:04 < eddyb> "PHP"
20:05 < ezdiy> php has one very strong point though
20:05 < ezdiy> its almost universally understood by everyone
20:05 < pbunny> ezdiy: ipcalc is not something that should be coded "fast and dirty"
20:05 < ezdiy> webdesigners, office workers, everyone
20:05 < pbunny> you got out of the scope
20:05 < ezdiy> pbunny: yes it is
20:05 < ezdiy> make 
20:05 < ezdiy> believe
20:05 < ezdiy> you're a network sysadmin
20:05 < ezdiy> and you have this huge file with various ips and prefixes in it
20:05 < eddyb> the language that is so bad I would consider strapping webkit+v8 to apache to run client-side JS on the server
20:05 < eddyb> because that's faster
20:05 < ezdiy> and you need to process it quick and dirty :)
20:06 < eddyb> aaand saner
20:06 < pbunny> i would probably get some tools for that
20:06 < ezdiy> pbunny: but youre right that for simple things like string manipulation php is ok
20:06 < ezdiy> as i said
20:06 < ezdiy> universally understood even by janitors
20:07 < ezdiy> is huge plus in terms of maintainability
20:07 < ezdiy> and cheap labour :)
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20:07 < pbunny> well i consider ip range manipulation not from "quick and dirty" scope :)
20:07 < ezdiy> hehe
20:07 < ezdiy> yeah
20:07 < ezdiy> php cant do it
20:07 < shoghicp> hi
20:07 < shoghicp> xD xD xD
20:07 < pbunny> O.O
20:07 < ezdiy> pbunny: in every sane language its simple :)
20:07 < shoghicp> ezdiy: that was timed?
20:07 < pbunny> shoghicp: i just cloned your php client today
20:07 < pbunny> nice coinscidence
20:07 < ezdiy> shoghicp: prety much
20:07 < shoghicp> hmm
20:07 < shoghicp> It is biased on 1.5
20:07 < ezdiy> shoghicp: just bashing how horrible php is
20:08 < ezdiy> :)))
20:08 < shoghicp> I confrim that
20:08 < shoghicp> confirm*
20:08 < shoghicp> now, test the server ;)
20:08 < ezdiy> (but has a wider audience than java, so writing a mc client in it is smart move)
20:10 < shoghicp> Do you remember PocketMine-MP?
20:12 < ezdiy> shoghicp: it would be fun if it supported hphpc
20:12 < shoghicp> I use weird PHP things
20:12 < ezdiy> (native binary compiler for php)
20:12 < ezdiy> well
20:12 < ezdiy> as long there are no evals()
20:12 < shoghicp> And it breaks even PHP itself
20:12 < shoghicp> ezdiy: the tick directive
20:13 < shoghicp> that breaks everything
20:13 < shoghicp> even PHP itself
20:13 < shoghicp> (if used carelessly)
20:13 < ezdiy> shoghicp: still the code quality is decent
20:13 < ezdiy> cant quite believe you stick with php :/
20:15 < shoghicp> People is asking for moving the MCPE server to Java ;)
20:15 < ezdiy> eew
20:15 < ezdiy> why not javascript?
20:15 < ezdiy> this could be translated to v8 almost 1:1 :)
20:15 < shoghicp> node.js ;)
20:15 < ezdiy> yep
20:15 < shoghicp> There is a MCPE proxy for node.js
20:15 < ezdiy> still almost as crappy as php
20:15 < ezdiy> but a bit faster
20:16 < shoghicp> ezdiy: check https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP
20:16 < eddyb> ezdiy: JS is not 1:1 with PHP
20:16 < eddyb> ezdiy: there were so many stupid things in PHP that you can easily get over with in JS
20:16 < ezdiy> eddyb: depends on the php coding standards you're translating from
20:16 < shoghicp> And the reverse ;)
20:16 < ezdiy> eddyb: which seem to be high in https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP
20:16 < eddyb> shoghicp: huh?
20:17 < ezdiy> js -> php is almost impossible indeed :)
20:17 < shoghicp> xD http://php.net/manual/en/book.v8js.php
20:17 < ezdiy> lol
20:17 < eddyb> functions can be passed around as values, + is used for concatenation
20:18 < eddyb> all the function expressions that you just can't do in PHP
20:18 < ezdiy> eddyb: sure
20:18 < eddyb> shoghicp: lol
20:18 < ezdiy> we all know js is much more awesome than php in syntactic details
20:18 < shoghicp> eddyb: You can do that on PHP now (most of it) ;)
20:18 < ezdiy> which is why you can do php->js
20:18 < ezdiy> but cant do the opposite
20:18 < ezdiy> exactly for those reasons
20:18 < ezdiy> because you lose information :)
20:18 < ezdiy> when concat operator becomes addition
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20:19 < ezdiy> shoghicp: well, i'll keep an eye on your github account
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20:19 < shoghicp> :)
20:19 < ezdiy> once youre done with 1.5 server
20:20 < ezdiy> i'll try some translating attempts
20:20 < shoghicp> That link is a MCPE server
20:20 < ezdiy> luajit2 would be most awesome
20:20 < roblabla> PHP is a horrible language.
20:20 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i know
20:20 < shoghicp> In fact, the only one available
20:20 < ezdiy> never player mcpe
20:20 < ezdiy> dunno what its like
20:21 < ezdiy> s/player/played/
20:21 < shoghicp> Minecraft Beta - Redstone - Nether - Trains - Pistons
20:21 < shoghicp> - Infinite worlds
20:21 < shoghicp> - => minus sign
20:21 < ezdiy> hmm
20:21 < ezdiy> not bad
20:22 < ezdiy> all the useless things trimmed basically
20:22 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i cant see any decent worldgen though :(
20:22 < shoghicp> But the protocol is biased xD
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20:22 < ezdiy> oh, object directory missed that
20:22 < shoghicp> the server can't set a player's inventory slot
20:23 < ezdiy> just trees?
20:23 < shoghicp> I'm not generating worlds yet
20:23 < shoghicp> Only plain
20:23 < ezdiy> ah
20:23 < shoghicp> I'm rewriting that part
20:23 < ezdiy> thats always the toughest part :(
20:23 < shoghicp> But it can import MCPE worlds ;)
20:23 < shoghicp> Todo: https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP/issues/98
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20:24 < ezdiy> how do you debug such a huge beast btw?