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04:27 < Viligeman122> i have a really cool idea fir game
04:27 < Viligeman122> for
04:27 < Connor1301> finnaly some one says something
04:28 < Viligeman122> lol
04:28 < Viligeman122> conner
04:28 < Connor1301> its been a long time since any one has talked
04:28 < Viligeman122> do u have a server
04:29 < Connor1301> u mean a channel?
04:29 < Viligeman122> no minecraft server
04:29 < Connor1301> oh i used to
04:29 < Connor1301> but...
04:29 < Viligeman122> what happend
04:30 < Connor1301> well i dont really know
04:30 < Viligeman122> lol
04:30 < Connor1301> thats the problem
04:30 < Viligeman122> did it crash
04:30 < Connor1301> sort o
04:30 < Connor1301> of
04:31 < Viligeman122> is it hosted by u or a host
04:31 < Connor1301> by a host
04:31 < Connor1301> not by me
04:32 < Connor1301> i have to go:( bye
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04:32 < Viligeman122> aww
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04:41 < Viligeman122> hi
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11:44 <+Scootabyte> woops
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13:08 < pbunny> is it good idea to run every chunkcolumn is its own thread?
13:09 < pbunny> its physics, metaentity processing, maybe entities' AI
13:09 < pbunny> or maybe 10x10 chunks per thread
13:09 < pbunny> what problems can arise from that?
13:09 < edk> pbunny: the interaction at chunk boundaries would be problematic
13:10 < pbunny> edk: why?
13:10 < pbunny> just 1) lock mutexes of both chunks 2) transfer the needed entity/block/... 3) unlock mutexes
13:11 < edk> you'll likely end up with one of three scenarios:
13:11 < edk> 1) it's not thread safe and has race conditions and/or crashes randomly
13:11 < edk> 2) it wastes so much time waiting for mutexes to unlock that it's no better than doing everything on one thread
13:12 < pbunny> 2) - impossible
13:12 < pbunny> too many chuns columns, and each of them will interact only with nearby ones
13:12 < edk> 3) it's thread safe and lockless but the overhead is too much to make it worth it except for stupid numbers of CPUs
13:12 < pbunny> what overhead?
13:12 < pbunny> mutex lock/unlock takes about 17ns iirc
13:12 < edk> yes obviously locking a mutex is quick
13:12 < edk> waiting for a locked mutex isn't
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13:18 < pbunny> :/
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13:23 < pbunny> edk: but if i keep world in single thread, i will have to move entities' AI to separate thread
13:23 < pbunny> otherwise overhead on single core will be too big
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13:30 <+ammar2> don't you have like a 5k x 5k map loaded in memory at any given time, thats ~97500 chunks
13:31 <+ammar2> 97500 threads are not cheap
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13:31 < pbunny> i am thinking about regions consisting of 10x10 chunks
13:32 < pbunny> i will have 1500x1500 map for now
13:33 <+ammar2> ~88 threads, may work but good luck dealing with the thread safety
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23:26 < ellisvlad> hi
23:27 < ellisvlad> just a quick question from me
23:27 < umby24> ok
23:27 < ellisvlad> What is the packet id for dropping items in Minecraft 1.5 PC edition?
23:27 < ellisvlad> :P
23:27 < ellisvlad> I've looked all over, and can't find it :/
23:27 < umby24> just ask and anyone who is active that knows the answer will likely reply
23:28 < ellisvlad> cool, thanks
23:30 < umby24> 0xAA    DropItemPacket
23:30 < umby24> lacks documentation however
23:31 < ellisvlad> hmm, OK, thankyou ;)
23:37 < umby24> no problem
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12:35 < pbunny> umby24|offline: what is 0xAA DropItemPacket ?
12:35 < pbunny> my server uses 0x17 to spawn item entity and then Entity Velocity packet(s) to make it look dropped
12:36 <+Fador> ..minecraft pocket edition packets I believe
12:37 < SinZ> ^
12:39 < pbunny> **:21:54    ellisvlad | What is the packet id for dropping items in Minecraft 1.5 PC edition?
12:39 < pbunny> so by "PC edition" he meant pocket edition?
12:40 < SinZ> umbys client isn't up to item dropping fyi
12:40 < SinZ> didn't 1.5 stuff up entity dropping though
12:42 < l4mRh4X0r> Well, at least there's no such thing as packet 0xAA in the vanilla minecraft 1.5.1 server
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16:07 < dav1d> clonejo: o/
16:07 <+clonejo> dav1d: \o/
16:07 < dav1d> :D
16:10 <+clonejo> I'm implementing a new chunk storage mechanism for mc-erl right now
16:10 <+clonejo> it's based on Postgresql
16:10 < dav1d> cool
16:10 < dav1d> postgres rules!
16:11 <+clonejo> i figured a database is one of the best ways to store chunks
16:11 < dav1d> yeah only brings overhead
16:11 < dav1d> speed for size
16:11 < dav1d> same with hashmaps
16:11 < dav1d> :P
16:14 < dav1d> clonejo: I am about to play around with lua/luad and test the octaforge ui
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16:56 < TkTech> Alrighty, who wants a copy of Just Cause 2 on steam?
16:56 -!- Kyle_ is now known as Kyle
16:58 <+Fador> Great game btw =)
16:59 < Kyle> hmmm
16:59 < dav1d> TkTech: never heared of it, what genre?
16:59  * Kyle considers it
17:00 < TkTech> dav1d: You're dead to me.
17:00 < dav1d> :D
17:00 < Kyle> I'll let somebody else take a nab at it, I've played it before.
17:01 < dav1d> so
17:01 < dav1d> I have to kill ppl
17:03 < dav1d> sounds a bit like far cry
17:03 < Kyle> older than far cry 3, though
17:03 < Kyle> so more like "far cry 3 sounds a bit like this"
17:03 < dav1d> no
17:03 < dav1d> because I knew far cry before just cause 2
17:04 < dav1d> so just cause 2 sounds like far cry to me :P
17:04 < Kyle> doesn't make it older :p
17:04 < dav1d> anyways gtg
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18:39 < roblabla> TkTech: I
18:39 < roblabla> *I'd love a copy :D
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20:28 <+clonejo> dav1d: nice
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22:37 < jibcage> Hi, I'm having a bit of an issue getting a client I coded to work. I've looked at the protocol, and I'm sending a 0x0A-0x0D every 50ms. However when I add 1 to the x value, the player doesn't move.
22:37 < jibcage> For some reason I'm allowed to adjust yaw / pitch, and his head will move, but I can't get him to move himself.
22:59 < jibcage> Can anybody help? I also tried increasing x, y, and z by ridiculous amounts to see if my server would kick me, but it isn't doing that.
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22:59 < jibcage> Which makes no sense if I can adjust yaw and pitch, right?
23:00 <+md_5> it should just send you pack
23:00 <+md_5> 1 is way too big for the vanilla server
23:00 <+md_5> s/pack/back
23:00 <+md_5> try like 0.2
23:01 < jibcage> Oh? What's the largest I can feasibly increase it in a certain time period?
23:01 < jibcage> And I've checked, it only sends me a 0x0D twice : once upon connect, and once about 10 seconds later
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23:10 < umby24|offline> oi that guy yesterday said pc edition? thought he said pocket.
23:10 < umby24|offline> oops.
23:10 < umby24|offline> annnd im still marked as offline.
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00:43 < TkTech> Google alerts sometimes pops up with some…weird...things.
00:44 < TkTech> https://subversion.assembla.com/svn/goobcraft/trunk/core/protocol.py <-- Look at the "if" with my name in it.
00:44 < TkTech> Apparently on random servers my name gets coloured. Also, someone did not know python when they wrote that.
01:01 < AndrewPH|Alt> jegus that's a big if block
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01:06 < TkTech> AndrewPH: … https://gist.github.com/TkTech/e2bab758fa39c26c92c7
01:06 < TkTech> AndrewPH: It's just filled with horrors 
01:07 <+AndrewPH> now I remember why I never bothered looking at those bits
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01:27 < yorick> mappum: http://www.redstone.io/ works, but http://redstone.io times out
01:27 < mappum> yeah
01:28 < mappum> the first is a webserver, the second are the game servers
01:28 < mappum> is*
01:28 < TkTech> …why...
01:30 < umby24> ^
01:33 < mappum> because the servers are running on a bunch of ec2 machines
01:38 < TkTech> I'm missing something here.
01:38 < TkTech> This is silly, and will confuse a lot of people. Absolutely no one does it this way.
01:39 < TkTech> If you need a different A/CNAME record why would you not use server.redstone or s.redstrone or absolutely anything else
01:44 < TkTech> mappum: Bleh, keep alive timeout
01:44 < mappum> yeah, that's on the issue list :P
01:46 < TkTech> mappum: TBH, I would have waited and polished it before posting if you were seeking YC attention.
01:46 < TkTech> Better late than broken.
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01:46 < mappum> well tomorrow is the last day
01:47 < TkTech> Tomorrow is the last day of this series, you could have just waited for the next one.
01:47 < TkTech> Which is my point.
01:47 < mappum> and it's the idea we wanted people to like, not the implementation
01:47 < mappum> no, the applications must be submitted by tomorrow at midnight
01:48 < TkTech> ...
01:48 < mappum> we could email it to them late or something, but i don't think the amount of bugs is how they decide on who to fund
01:48 < mappum> our goal was for people to like the idea
01:48 < mappum> t
01:48 < TkTech> Tomorrow is the last day of this series (2013) of funding. You could have just waited for the next one.
01:48 < mappum> oh, i see
01:48 < mappum> that's 6 months from now
01:49 < mappum> we are starting to work on this full time, if we waited we would have to get real jobs again for a while :P
01:50 < TkTech> Ah, there we go. That's what I didn't get.
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01:54 < TkTech> mappum: Good luck, always fun to see a Minecraft-based success. Lots of people make their living on it.
01:56 < TkTech> sadimusi: Are you still maintaining b.wiki.vg?
01:56 < mappum> TkTech: thanks :D
01:58 <+sadimusi> TkTech: Not really, 1.5 completely broke burger
01:58 < TkTech> sadimusi: You have no idea how surprised I am that it survived this long (mostly due to your work on it)
01:59 <+sadimusi> The issues just seem to pile up faster than I have the motivation to fix them
02:00 < TkTech> sadimusi: I reached that point about 2 months after I started it.
02:00 <+sadimusi> mappum: Why don't you just use a SRV record for the game server?
02:00 < TkTech> ^- Or that, which is another good idea
02:02 <+sadimusi> Is that even documented anywhere?
02:02 < TkTech> mappum: Server just kick it?
02:03 < mappum> not that i am aware of
02:03 < TkTech> mappum: Dammit, fell off the map when I timed out and now I'm stuck in a black hole.
02:06 < mappum> yeah, some dude keeps opening the hole :/
02:11 < yorick> mappum: ip-ban him :P
02:12 < mappum> heh i haven't added any commands yet :/
02:12 < mappum> other than /notch and /snake
02:21 < yorick> mappum: it's broken!
02:22 < mappum> yeah :/
02:22 < mappum> because of bugs, not load D:
02:28 < yorick> mappum: it seems as if there is a flood in your chat
02:28 < mappum> :/
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18:03 < slowman> can anyone tell me when a mapchunk packet describes the x/z coordinates of a chunk.. which corner of the chunk it describes? is it the south eastern corner?
18:04 < slowman> *south western, even
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19:43 < umby24> slowman
19:43 < umby24> should be able to explore that yourself, through a vanilla minecraft client
19:43 < umby24> when you press f3 it shows your coords in the map, as well as chunk coords.
19:44 < umby24> but i don't think its the coords of a block in the chunk
19:44 < slowman> right okay, i'll have a look, thanks.
19:45 < umby24> rather, the game thinks of each chunk as one giant block for its own coords, but maybe someone else could clarify
19:45 < umby24> I havn't quite got to chunk loading in my bot yet :P tried but failed many times already.
19:46 < slowman> haha, yep. i'm failing at the moment. but yeah i think you're right, you have to times the chunk grid by 16 to get the actual coords
19:47 < umby24> something.. I've tried a few different formulas for getting the coords of each block.. but i keep stepping outside, or far below the ammount of data sent to me.. so I still get to figure that out
19:50 < slowman> yeah i'm having a similar problem, i think. trying to get block ids from any given coords, having trouble stepping through the data array of the packet.
19:50 < umby24> exactly
19:51 < umby24> so I decided to move on to inventory management first before i try again..
19:51 < umby24> but that's almost done now
19:52 < slowman> nice! yeah for some reason i can input any Y coordinate on the 0,0 xz of a chunk and it'll get me the correct block. as soon as i start adding x and z coordinates something strange is happening. i'm guessing it's someething to do with these biome bytes, but i'm not sure i understand where they actually occur
19:53 < umby24> hm.. i never tried that, I couldn't get any blocks that were even remotely close to what I had. but yeah, all the extra bytes are kinda throwing me off as well.
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23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/_xljuw
23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] seventh 19bf5e6 - TAG_String length is a TAG_Short, so a signed integer
23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech b8c6494 - Merge pull request #8 from seventh/master Small bugfix
23:59 < TkTech> 153 lines of javascript and there are still edge cases.
--- Day changed sam. mars 30 2013
00:00 < TkTech> Trying to find the absolute position of an element right-clicked in the DOM is agonizing. [i]frames, relative elements inside fixed elements, parent offsets that don't account for borders...
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00:29 < yorick> TkTech: solution: don't use frames
00:35 < TkTech> yorick: This is a chrome extension, I have no say in the matter.
00:36 < yorick> doesn't chrome have some kind of .reallyGetAbsolutePositionNow() method?
00:36 < TkTech> Yeah, I wish.
00:37 < TkTech> (This is a portable extension, except for a bit of UI glue it works on Chrome/Safari/Firefox
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06:36 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1937 24 files : Marked branch 0.64x as abandoned 
06:37 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1938 2 files : Marked branch 0.70x as abandoned 
07:02 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1939 11 files : Updated assembly versions to 0.640 
07:04 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1940 3 files : Fixed MapGenerator sometimes locking up when working with tiny 16x16 maps (thanks 123DMWM). Improved error reporting in MapGenerator, to make bugs like this easier to catch in the future. 
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21:24 < umby24> Is it possible for the lighting data sent along with a map bulk chunk to only be 1024 bytes?
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21:46 < dav1d>  that's correct 
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23:58 < umby24> that's correct? i thought it was half byte per block?
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00:23 <+Amaranthus> I would think it'd always be a multiple of 2048 but I haven't looked too closely
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01:46 < umby24> any way i would be able to tell which bytes are lighting? Need to know so I can properly get the data for each column
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