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13:37 < pbunny> hi
13:38 < pbunny> any useful links about world generation?
13:38 < pbunny> or maybe some code
13:40 <+Fador> http://notch.tumblr.com/post/3746989361/terrain-generation-part-1 ;)
13:40 < pbunny> thx
13:44 < dav1d> perlin worm!
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21:02 < pbunny> weird
21:02 < pbunny> i sent lighting data with shadows
21:02 < pbunny> player sees shadows from a distance, but when closes in - they disappear
21:02 < pbunny> like if client does his own lighting processing
21:03 < pbunny> anyway, i would like exact formula for lighting calculation
21:03 < eddyb> the client does do its own lighting calculations
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21:04 < pbunny> so server's calculation must be the same?
21:08 < dav1d>  the client does
21:08 < pbunny> but server needs to send lighting data
21:08 < pbunny> doesn't it?
21:09 < dav1d> everything else would kill bamdwith
21:09 < dav1d> yes a single time
21:09 < dav1d> with the mapchunkbulk
21:12 < pbunny> and how must server generate lighting data
21:12 < pbunny> ?
21:12 < pbunny> any formulas?
21:13 < dav1d> no sircmpwn wrote a gist with several attempts, ideas but nothing is trivial
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21:47 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: So, in 2237 the running cost of a bus is $64,422/year.
21:47 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: They're totally unusable after 2100 or so
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21:59 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: hehe
21:59 < Darker> hello
21:59 < Darker> please, do you have an idea, if C++ std:: provides some ZLib decompressing library?
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22:16 < eddyb> Darker: no
22:16 < eddyb> std:: is bare bones
22:17 < eddyb> boost might have zlib somewhere
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13:45 < ml__> Hello
13:45 < ml__> I have a question regarding the minecraft protocol
13:47 < ml__> After the server sends the login packet (0x01), the client sends back two packets: 204 and 13
13:47 < ml__> Is it normal that I get packet 13 so early on?
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13:52 < roblabla> ml__: packet 13 ?
13:53 < ml__> packet 0x0c (Player Position and look)
13:53 < roblabla> Oh
13:54 < ml__> wait..
13:54 < ml__> wrong
13:54 < ml__> 0x0d
13:54 < roblabla> Well yeah
13:54 < roblabla> after the client recieves login packet, it will recieve map chunks
13:54 < roblabla> and once it has them, it will send the ready to spawn packet
13:54 < ml__> Okay... But I never sent it map chunks
13:55 < roblabla> Are you sure it's the notchian client ?
13:55 < ml__> Yeah I use the vanilla minecraft 1.5.1 client
13:55 < roblabla> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ
13:55 < ml__> Yeah I already know that page
13:55 < roblabla> that's how it's supposed to work
13:56 < ml__> I'm getting the payload
13:56 < ml__> then I'm sending the login response
13:56 < ml__> And I should just go on and send the chunks? Ignore packet 13?
13:56 < ml__> (or 0x0d)
13:57 < roblabla> Oh
13:57 < roblabla> Do you send them a player look position ?
13:57 < roblabla> Player Position + Look packet
13:57 < ml__> Nope
13:57 < ml__> The last thing I send is the packet 0x01 (Login)
13:58 < roblabla> :|
13:58 < ml__> But I read: "The standard Minecraft server sends full chunks only when your client is sending player status update packets (any of Player (0x0A) through Player Position & Look (0x0D))."
13:58 < ml__> So maybe that's why the client sends me that packet ;D
13:58 < roblabla> Normally, the server sends 0x01, all the necessary things like entities/map chunk, and then a 0x0d to the client
13:59 < roblabla> then client replies with the same 0x0d
13:59 < ml__> funny...
13:59 < roblabla> I'm not a pro at the minecraft protocol, you should use wireshark to see how notchian client/server handles it
14:00 < ml__> Yeah
14:00 < roblabla> maybe it changed and the page is outdated ?
14:00 < ml__> But that stuff I want to see is encrypted...
14:00 < ml__> With rsa.
14:01 < roblabla> Put the server in offline mode
14:01 < ml__> Offline mode disables encryption?
14:01 < roblabla> eeh, nvm that
14:01 <+Fador> when in offline mode, you can skip encryption
14:02 < ml__> Does the notchian server disable encryption when in offline mode?
14:03 <+Fador> just send login responde (0x01) instead of encryption request (0xfd) ;)
14:03 <+Fador> *response
14:03 < roblabla> Yeah but the notchian client won't do it
14:03 < roblabla> I believe
14:03 <+Fador> it will
14:03 <+Fador> at least it worked with 1.4.6 ;)
14:05 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/packets.cpp#L609 I still have the option in my server
14:05 < roblabla> Wasn't there a minecraft mod to export the rsa key to import it in wireshark or something ?
14:05 <+Fador> just haven't tried it recently =D
14:06 < roblabla> ml__: 
14:06 < roblabla> use https://github.com/SirCmpwn/SMProxy
14:07 < roblabla> http://sircmpwn.github.com/SMProxy/
14:07 < roblabla> (it has a download link)
14:10 < ml__> Thanks! Very helpful tool!
14:23 < ml__> Hm... I think I know where my problem is..
14:24 < ml__> I don't think I am allowed to send a Keep-Alive before sending the map...
14:24 < ml__> Also, SMProxy seems very bugged on linux
14:27 < ml__> SMProxy works for the vanilla server, but not for my server
14:27 < roblabla> ml__: I don't think keepalive would change anything
14:27 < roblabla> also use Mono for SMProxy
14:27 < roblabla> not wine
14:28 < ml__> I am using mono
14:28 < ml__> but the connection often resets for some reason
14:28 < roblabla> :/ dunno then
14:28 < ml__> And, you are right, the keepalive doesn't change anything
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14:29 < ml__> I think I should just ignore that packet until all data is sent
14:29 < ml__> and then read it
14:33 < ml__> Hm... got SMProxy working...
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15:11 < pbunny> Fador: what do you mean by "offline mode"?
15:12 < pbunny> if i understand correctly my server is in "offline mode", and notchian client still uses encryption
15:12 < roblabla> pbunny: that's cuz your server still sends encryption request
15:13 < roblabla> if your server is in offline mode, you can just go ahead and skip the encryption request/response packets, that's what I think he meant
15:13 <+Fador> pbunny: yeah, you have to skip the encryption request if you dont want to use it
15:14 < pbunny> oh
15:15 <+Fador> I don't think this behavior is documented in the wiki and it might be a "bug" of some sort in the client that you can skip encryption
15:16 <+Fador> I was playing around after implementing the protocol encryption and noticed you can do that.. ;)
15:17 < roblabla> Fador: it's not documented anywhere. And I suppose it's due to how minecraft handles the packets he receives. 
15:18 <+Fador> yeah
15:18 <+Fador> it switches the input/ouput streams after some packet or so
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15:21 < roblabla> I know doing this kind of trick breaks pyCraft and other third-party minecraft clients though
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16:06 <+ammar2> yeah, its a quirk with the vanilla client, ideally you should just support encryption
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17:59 < MonkeyPwns> Hi
18:05 < MonkeyPwns> Does anyone know a good tool to deobfuscate/decompile Minecraft's Server other than MCP?
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20:43 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn c50bb26 - Update README.md
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21:55 < Not-001> [bravo] brutal-chaos pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/FUh8pw
21:56 < Not-001> [bravo] Justin Noah f0e98d7 - protocol: bumped to 60
21:57 < pbunny> hi, i would really like a link about how vanilla server/client handles lighting
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22:56 < pbunny> where can i get many players for testing my server (i.e. mutex stuff, cpu/ram usage etc)
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23:09 <+clonejo> pbunny: bots?
23:11 <+clonejo> There might be some documentation on lighting on Minecraftwiki
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23:14 < pbunny> clonejo: where can i get some bots?
23:14 <+clonejo> http://wiki.vg/Client_List
23:15 <+clonejo> pbunny: http://wiki.vg/wiki/index.php?search=bot&title=Special%3ASearch ;-)
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23:29 < pbunny> ok, my server uses ~200MB of RAM and ~1% of CPU core when 5 minecraft clients connected
23:30 < pbunny> i can't handle more of mc clients, every of them is using 1GB :[
23:35 < pbunny> i would use bots but they will need to login with /login <nick> <password> (and perhaps register first) to be able to test the actual world
23:36 < edk> simulate them from within your server
23:40 < pbunny> code internal mc client? no thx
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08:58 < TkTech> Random: I find it funny I can buy a 20lb frozen turkey for $20, or drive for ten minutes and buy two fat, living turkeys for $35
08:58 < TkTech> Although I imagine butchering them in an apartment would be one hell of a show.
09:08 <+Ac-town> yeah that wouldn't be that fun
09:11 <+md_5> Dinnerbone sorry to bug you, but since iirc you wrote item merging: https://github.com/EcoCityCraft/Spigot/blob/master/CraftBukkit-Patches/0003-Merge-tweaks-and-configuration.patch#L34
09:11 <+md_5> swapping which item merges into which is SO much prettier for the player
09:12 <+md_5> since they see the dropped items being absorbed
09:12 <+md_5> compared to disapearing and confusing them
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09:24 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: then take into account your hourly salery and the time it would take to butcher them.
09:28 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Doesn't take that long if you skin instead of pluck.
09:28 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: 99% of the time is letting them drain
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14:36 < pbunny> can somebody advice bot for server benchmarking?
14:37 < pbunny> bot that joins and does stuff
14:37 < pbunny> or maybe some scripting framework but not nodejs
14:38 < dav1d> nodejs
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14:39 < pbunny> not nodejs
14:39 < pbunny> don't want to compile it
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15:14 <+clonejo> pbunny: ppa?
15:21 <+ammar2> pbunny: I have a simply python program that can spawn up to any number of bots that move around randomly
15:21 <+ammar2> assuming this is in the minecraft client context ofcourse
15:22 < edk> (presumably you need to disable auth)
15:27 <+ammar2> edk: unless you own as many accounts as you need bots, yes ^_^
15:27 < pbunny> oh, notchian auth is always disabled
15:27 < pbunny> i have my own auth
15:27 < pbunny> you must type /login nick password, then portal to real world appears and you must enter it
15:28 <+ammar2> pbunny: http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/stress-testing-servers.175/
15:28 <+ammar2> you can add in that command sending if you want, python is simple enough to modify
15:28 <+ammar2> yay interpretation
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15:38 < Valdi|Laptop> what means "0x6: Standing in ground" for torches (in the minecraft wiki)?
15:38 < Valdi|Laptop> IN the ground?!
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15:42 < pbunny> Valdiralita: probably means "bottom of the torch is in the ground"
15:43 < Valdiralita> ive never seen this ingame :o
15:43 < pbunny> anyway just try it and see
15:43 < jast> take torch, look at top of a block, place torch
15:43 < jast> bam, upright torch
15:43 < Valdiralita> lol okay thanks
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