16:12 < jast> gstreamer might have it's own implementation
16:12 < jast> s/'//, gah
16:12 < Stormx2> dx, not necessarily, they hate eachother don't they? I think there are differences
16:13 < jast> yeah
16:13 < dx> oh, true, gstreamer reimplements some stuff
16:13 < dx> Stormx2: lol, yeah
16:13 < jast> ffmpeg merges stuff from libav, and libav hates ffmpeg so much that they rewrite everything themselves
16:13 < jast> also they care even less about compatibility
16:13 < dx> is libav only used by mplayer2?
16:14 < dx> they sure know how to get confusing names
16:14 < jast> debian seems to have switched to it
16:15 < jast> for clarification: ffmpeg comprises an ffmpeg command-line tool and libavcodec, libavformat and a few other similarly-named ones. libav comprises an avconv command-line tool and libavcodec, libavformat and a few other similarly-named ones.
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16:15 < dx> yep
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16:16 < dx> completely different groups of people with names that are pretty much the same
16:17 < dx> in other COMPLETELY UNRELATED news, there's a mc 1.5 pre-release
16:17 < dx> i bet you didn't expect me to say something minecraft-related in this channel
16:17 < jast> unpossible
16:18 < dx> the changelog says 'removed herobrine' - that wasn't in any of the previous snapshots, can we get a burger vitrine diff to see if the herobrine entity is gone?
16:18 < dx> IIRC it got re-added in the first snapshot of the 1.5 branch
16:18 < Gregor> Hyuk
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16:19 < dx> oh nice, we actually have a burger diff up already
16:20 < dx> i thought it had stopped working a few snapshots ago
16:20 < dx> thanks to whoever fixed it
16:20 <+sadimusi> I didn't fix it, I mad one manually
16:20 < eddyb> mad?
16:21 <+sadimusi> most toppings still don't work with the new versions :/
16:21 < Gregor> Well, having to do them manually can be pretty infuriating.
16:21 <+sadimusi> especially block
16:21 <+sadimusi> *blocks
16:21 < dx> sadimusi: :(
16:21 < eddyb> so sad the burger machine isn't as automated as it once was :(
16:22 < dx> we can still hire 17 year old employees and pay them minimal wages to make the burgers, don't worry
16:22 < dx> although sadimusi is probably nowhere near a 17 year old burger flipper and he does it for free, so <3
16:25 < dx> the language entries of tile/item are still good enough as a summary
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16:30 < Stormx2> is the pre-release protocol page up-to-date?
16:32 < dx> you can compare the burger output with it
16:32 < Stormx2> Looks like it's all there except for 0x3F
16:42 < pbunny> anybody feels like continuing "why java is bad for minecraft servers" discussion?
16:44 < dx> nah
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16:49 < dx> http://i.imgur.com/kxsS6bh.gif
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18:16 < shoghicp> hi!
18:16 < shoghicp> When an user is killed, it sends the Entity Status packet
18:16 < shoghicp> and after that?
18:16 < shoghicp> so, if it respawns
18:17 < shoghicp> The entity is despawned?
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18:46 < Grum> <pbunny> Stormx2: education is not important in programming <-- he's actually right in that :p
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18:48 < Grum> <pbunny> anybody feels like continuing "why java is bad for minecraft servers" discussion? <-- yeah!
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18:55 < Valdiralita> why not "java is bad for complex games"
18:58 < Grum> hard to define complex; also not true
18:58 < Valdiralita> i just dont like java :)
18:58 < Grum> because?
18:59 < ShaRose> java has some dumb parts, anyone can admit that
18:59 < ShaRose> "unsigned is too hard" - gosling
18:59 < Grum> it has too many libraries? it has too much collected cruft they keep in for 'backwards retardility' ?
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19:01 < ShaRose> "Quiz any C developer about unsigned, and pretty soon you discover that almost no C developers actually understand what goes on with unsigned, what unsigned arithmetic is." - The actual quote from James Gosling, one of the main people behind java
19:01 < Grum> to me the only reason to use unsigned is because .. well there is no arithmetic
19:02 < Grum> just seems easier to not have to worry about negative overflows :p
19:02 < ShaRose> I like using unsigned stuff for packing and such
19:02 < ShaRose> it also makes interop less retarded
19:02 < Grum> yeah
19:03 < Valdiralita> packing is great :D
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19:04 < ShaRose> but yeah, not really a fan of java. as usual I compare it to C# and there are a few things I like about java, but mostly C# kicks the shit out of it
19:04 < Grum> so, is there a 'maven' like thing for C# ?
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19:05 < Valdiralita> http://byldan.codeplex.com/
19:05 < ShaRose> https://nuget.org/ was the one I was thinking of
19:07 < Grum> so, can you properly code C# when you are *NOT* on windows?
19:07 < Grum> does it have a rich ide you can use?
19:08 < ShaRose> monodevelop I guess, but visual studio really is ~that~ awesome
19:10 < Grum> yes, but it doesnt run on anything but ..... the os you do not want to use for development :p
19:11 < Gregor> (Or: Deployment!)
19:12 <+pdelvo> Do you know blockscape? http://www.blockscape.com/v2/
19:14 < Grum> nope
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19:28 < jast> I hope nobody brings up eclipse as a stellar example of a great IDE
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19:29 < Grum> Eclipse is the bestest ide
19:29 < jast> it's so good that people have made data mining tools based on it
19:30 < jast> (OH GOD WHYYY)
19:31 < superjoe> jast, if you're writing java, what's a better IDE?
19:32 < Grum> anything other than eclipse :/
19:32 < Grum> I prefer Intellij
19:32 < superjoe> that's not an answer
19:32 < jast> I'm not writing java
19:32 < superjoe> ok that's an answer
19:32 < jast> I hear netbeans isn't as bad, either... was that the name? can't remember
19:33 < Gregor> I got a desktop with 16GB of RAM so I could run Firefox and Eclipse.
19:33 < Gregor> Not at the same time, of course.
19:33 < jast> yeah
19:34 < jast> I assembled a new PC the other day, with 16 GB RAM, too (finally!)
19:34 < jast> I nearly melted the universe trying run firefox and eclipse at the same time
19:36 < jast> fortunately the circuit breaker kicked in first
19:36 < Gregor> *whew*
19:36 < Gregor> I've actually had the power supply of a computer burst into flames once :)
19:36 < jast> it's an especially sensitive circuit breaker
19:36 < jast> it often switches if I plug in in a device
19:36 < jast> my previous PSU went up in smoke
19:36 < Gregor> As an added advantage, you could also run on Minecraft server, so long as you don't have more than about three users and they don't go too far from spawn.
19:36 < jast> while the computer wasn't even turned on
19:37 < jast> now you're pushing it
19:37 <+Ac-town> you'd also need a ssd then
19:37 < Grum> Gregor: so why did you give eclipse so much memory?
19:37 < jast> eclipse doesn't ask... it just takes
19:37 < Gregor> Grum: HELLO I AM MAKES JOKES
19:37 < Grum> its java, it cant
19:37 < jast> java always takes
19:37 < jast> default heap space size, sure... the rest of the RAM is filled with GC metadata
19:38 < jast> bah, s/space //
19:38 < Grum> :( ....
19:38 < jast> like so many other things, java's RAM usage always scales with the total amount of RAM available
19:38 < Grum> doesnt work that way sigh
19:38 < jast> even if you have infinity RAM
19:39 < jast> then it takes up infinity*0.9 RAMs
19:39 < Grum> if you let it, maybe
19:39  * Gregor munches on popcorn.
19:39 < jast> I am king of math
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19:44 < Calinou> <jast> my previous PSU went up in smoke
19:44 < Calinou> *cough*advance*cough*
19:44 < jast> not following
19:44 < Calinou> 16GB RAM is pointless unless you do video editing or using a ramdisk for a good reason :P
19:45 <+Ac-town> cache
19:45 <+Ac-town> so its not pointless :)
19:45 < jast> does virtualization count?
19:45 < Calinou> yeah
19:45  * Calinou has 12GB RAM
19:45 < jast> and insane programming experiments
19:45 < Calinou> 1620MB used right now, not counting cache
19:45 < jast> I intend to tinker with Slow Fourier Transforms
19:45 < Calinou> with cache I'm at about 5GB
19:46 < jast> (that's not a real thing... yet)
19:46 < jast> well I had 2 GB RAM before, and I had serious issues with that in normal usage
19:46 <+Ac-town>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
19:46 <+Ac-town> Mem:      24683072   20179468    4503604          0     742208   16973648
19:46 <+Ac-town> cache everything
19:46 < jast> well of course
19:47 < jast> unless you're using windows, which is comparably crappy at caching
19:47 <+Ac-town> cache the planet
19:47 < jast> and don't forget to cache the cache
19:47 < jast> massive speed-ups to be had
19:47  * Calinou high fives jast for linux
19:47  * Calinou uses xubuntu 12.10, archers gonna arch
19:47 < jast> tbh I'm on windows right now
19:47 < Calinou> ah :P
19:47 <+Ac-town> I'm on gentoo
19:47 < jast> my plan is to run linux in a VM and do most of my work in that
19:48 < jast> but I need my games and also my DAW, and both need windows, and I'm way too lazy to reboot all the time
19:49 < Gregor> <Calinou> 16GB RAM is pointless unless you do video editing or using a ramdisk for a good reason  // OR unless you want to run Firefox *sage nod*
19:49 < Calinou> firefox eats like 2GB with a lot of tabs
19:49 <+Ac-town> only like 1.5GB max for me
19:49 < Calinou> uses more RAM than chromium with one tab but less with 15+ tabs
19:50 <+Ac-town> on nightly with a bunch of addons
19:50 < Gregor> WHY, WHY do people not understand when I'm making a joke *sigh*
19:50 <+Ac-town> we do
19:50 < Gregor> Anyway, my 16GB RAM is mainly for GC experiments and running several VMs at the same time ^^
19:51 < jast> I was aware that 16GB RAM is pretty pointless for normal usage when I spent all the money
19:51 <+Ac-town> imo just buy and max your mobo with ram when you buy it
19:51 <+Ac-town> since ram is pretty cheap
19:52 <+Ac-town> and you can get all the same speeds
19:52 < jast> well, I spent ~$120 on RAM. didn't wanna spend another ~$120 to max it.
19:52 <+Ac-town> what kind of ram?
19:53 < jast> ddr3 1600mhz or something
19:53 < jast> cl9? dunno
19:53 <+Ac-town> spendy
19:53 <+Ac-town> I think I got ddr3 2133 for like 190 total
19:53 <+Ac-town> for 16GB
19:54 < Calinou> that's a lot
19:54 < Calinou> faster RAM gives few improvements unless you use an AMD APU with is IGP
19:54 < Calinou> but if you have the money, why not
19:55 <+Ac-town> it was about thesame as the 1600mhz stuff
19:55 <+Ac-town> so why not
19:56 < Calinou> here, 2×4GB of 1333mhz RAM: 40 euros, 1600: 45 euros, 1866: 50 euros, 2133: 63 euros, 2400: 69 euros
19:56 <+Ac-town> 24gb for that? pretty cheap
19:56 < Calinou> AMD CPUs support 1866 officially, intel 1600, but in both cases you can overclock the RAM to reach its max frequency
19:56 <+Ac-town> yep
19:56 < Calinou> Ac-town: 2x4, get a proper IRC client :P
19:56 < Calinou> × is the proper multiply sign 8D
19:57 <+Ac-town> I do have a proper irc client
19:57 <+Ac-town> might not have the font for that
19:57 <+Ac-town> but jpn and chinese works
19:57 < jast> every decent font has that character
19:57 < Calinou> *buntus just-work-i-ness strikes again 8)
19:57 <+Ac-town> WeeChat 0.4.0 [compiled on Feb  1 2013 02:17:10]
19:57 < jast> and if it doesn't, it shouldn't magically pretend there was nothing there
19:57 <+Ac-town> jast: I have a custom font set for my urxvt
19:58 <+Ac-town> I saw 2?4
19:58 < jast> right, no pity then :}
19:58 <+Ac-town> so I wasn't sure if it was a fuck up on his side or what
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20:04 < Thinkofdeath> Added the new 0x3f packet to the pre-release page
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22:22 < TkTech> Thinkofdeath: Thank you
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22:56 <+Prf_Jakob> #1210 in queue for Oculus, order is ready.
22:56 <+Prf_Jakob> woo
23:03 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: To be honest, I'm more interested in https://getmyo.com/
23:03 < TkTech> (Paired with Google glasses or the like later on, once they can be reflashed)
23:11 <+Prf_Jakob> hmm
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00:00 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: (I'm more interested in such technology for mashing up day-to-day things, versus gaming)
00:06 <+Prf_Jakob> ah okay
00:14 <+Amaranth> Prf_Jakob: Off topic: So, how about that mir, eh? :P
00:15 < Stormx2> ubuntu dev reunion time!
00:15  * Stormx2 gets party hats
00:15 <+Prf_Jakob> Amaranth: summed up by "but why"
00:16 <+Amaranth> At least now I know why Alexandros was pulled away from Linaro. I knew it had something to do with mobile
00:17 <+Amaranth> I'm rather amused Canonical and TI sponsored me via Linaro to port compiz/unity to GLES for mobile and are throwing it away
00:17 <+Amaranth> At least that meant it won't live long enough for me to be blamed for it
00:17 <+Prf_Jakob> Hehe
00:18 <+Prf_Jakob> Well I'm hoping at least we can get a good ARM drivers that can be used by Wayland as well.
00:19 <+Amaranth> Sounds like the plan on ARM is to piggy back the Android drivers
00:19 <+Amaranth> So probably not directly usable
00:20 <+Prf_Jakob> yeah
00:20 <+Amaranth> But hey, we put up with copies everywhere anyway, just use shm and accept another copy :P
00:21 <+Prf_Jakob> heh
00:23 <+Amaranth> Maybe I should drop some of these Ubuntu channels and idle in #wayland now, seems like some interesting discussions happen there now
00:24 <+Prf_Jakob> Amaranth: well fair enough of doing their own thing, but they in the prosses managed to take a dump on Wayland which pissed people.
00:25 <+Amaranth> Yeah, that was just dumb considering how easy it was to prove them wrong.
00:25 <+Amaranth> I am interested in how they're planning to handle input though
00:26 <+Prf_Jakob> Steal more from Andriod apperently.
00:27 <+Amaranth> Yeah, seems like the idea is the android permissions system
00:27 <+Amaranth> I was hoping for something more interesting
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12:37 < pbunny> on wiki, does yaw stands for horizontal rotation and pitch for vertical?
12:41 < zh32> http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/images/pic5-1.gif :P
12:41 < pbunny> zh32: yeah, i googled it
12:41 < pbunny> pitch isn't working for mobs, at least for pigs for some reason
12:42 < pbunny> they always stand horizontally
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13:27 < eddyb> zh32: why exis?
13:27 < eddyb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exis
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13:55 < pbunny> wiki bot not working?
13:56 < pbunny> http://wiki.vg/wiki/index.php?title=Protocol&curid=11&diff=3659&oldid=3647 - i updated 0x18
14:00 < l4mRh4X0r> pbunny, I assume that's not the 1.5 protocol info?
14:14 < pbunny> hm, it was tested on 1.4.7
14:15 < pbunny> well i just switched yaw and pitch fields
14:15 < pbunny> also i fixed comment at the bottom, because when i sent 127 client crashed
14:15 < pbunny> sending 0 0 127 worked, because mob must send at least 1 metadata object as stated here - http://wiki.vg/Entities#Entity_Metadata_Format
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16:22 < ellisvlad> Hi everyone
16:22 <+sadimusi> hi ellisvlad 
16:23 < ellisvlad> quick question about chunk sending :P
16:23 < ellisvlad> If anyone can help, what is the 0x32 "PreChunk" packet?
16:24 <+sadimusi> it's not used anymore iirc
16:26 < ellisvlad> hmm, then I can't figure out why my chunk sending isn't working xD
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18:31 < dav1d> lol
18:31 < dav1d> "Across all D projects on Ohloh, 11% of all source code lines are comments. For BraLa, this figure is only 3%."
18:31 < dav1d> who needs comments pfft
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18:31 < dav1d> the 3% are probably coming from stb_image.c xD
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18:39 < Gregor> dav1d: Naw, there's probably one mis-labeled project that it thinks is D and 100% comments, which single-handedly makes up for 11% of all D lines in the system.
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20:04 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+1/-0/±6] http://git.io/gSVO5A
20:04 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 13be25b - Completed update to 1.5 pre-release
20:07 < rom1504> superjoe: hi, I think I'm going to try again to make mineflayer's craft function to work, do you have any idea why it doesn't work and how to make it work ?
20:07 < rom1504> and why the inventory is getting corrupted after a rejected transation
20:07 < superjoe> rom1504, hi. no - I have been holding off until the new version is released, because I think it will be changed anyway
20:08 < superjoe> no sense in doing the work twice
20:08 < rom1504> oh ok, there will be changes about the inventory in the new version ?
20:08 < rom1504> when should it be released ?
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20:09 < superjoe> http://www.mojang.com/2013/03/minecraft-redstone-update-pre-release/
20:09 < superjoe> march 13
20:11 < rom1504> oh, good
20:11 < rom1504> let's wait then
20:11 < superjoe> ok
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20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 3c84ee8 - Initial update to 13w02a
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 480fd3c - Added nether quartz drop
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 362a70f - Merge branch 'master' into snapshot
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn de7cfbd - Added Minecart with TNT
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 527f2eb - Merge branch 'snapshot' of https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7f83330 - Updated to 13w03a protocol
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 4f908e4 - Added dropper block
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b48139b - Added minecart with hopper item
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 5f18f04 - Added log-like quartz orientation
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn dbd3237 - Updated version info in readme
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 76ff153 - Merge branch 'snapshot' of https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+2/-0/±3] http://git.io/wV33_A
20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7404dc9 - Added scoreboard management to Craft.Net.Server
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23:57 < bobness> Hrm, when I send a shift-click on a slot to the server, and close the window, I don't get any update packets?  ..does the server just figure that, on click acceptance, I know what to do as far moving stuff around in the local inventory (e.g., I know max stack sized, and to add an item to the first available stack and/or free slot, or am I missing something? 
23:59 < bobness> by 'update packets' I mean, 'set_slot'.
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02:09 < bobness> If you send a right-click to the server while holding an item, and the slot you're clicking on has the same item (but is full), does this result in an accepted or rejected transaction?
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03:23 < EvokeR> I've been using the wiki to work on a lua minecraft client. Theres just one thing keeping me from logging into a server... I don't know how the server hash is calculated when you decline authentication :/
03:23 < EvokeR> *Decline encryption
03:26 < EvokeR> I've tried what seems obvious (exclude shared secret, replace it with a null char, use just the server id, etc) but no luck.
03:27 < EvokeR> Does anyone here know how to do this?
03:27 < dexter0> Outside of some crappy *exploit* there is no way for clients to disable encryption iirc.
03:29 < EvokeR> The wiki says sending a 0xCD will skip it, but is kinda iffy whether or not it works in online mode...
03:32 < EvokeR> And just doing the encryption won't work... This platform simply can't do RSA in pure lua fast enough :/
03:32 < dexter0> well you can stick around until someone who really knows the protocol turns up and gives you the bad news.
03:43 <+AndrewPH> are all packets encrypted, including chunks?
03:44 < dexter0> beginning midway through the handshake, yes
03:44 < EvokeR> After the client authenticates, yes.
03:52 <+AndrewPH> what's the point in encrypting movement and chunk data?
03:53 <+AndrewPH> seems really wastefull
03:53 <+AndrewPH> wasteful, even
03:55 < EvokeR> Because its easier than only encrypting some of the stream, I suppose.
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04:31 < EvokeR> Does anybody know how to calculate the server hash when you decline encryption?
04:39 < TkTech> EvokeR: Probably, but it's late for most of the guys here. Might have better luck asking again in the morning.
04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±8] http://git.io/VYjJ9w
04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer ac3ea53 - Documentation improvements in NbtReader, and overhaul in progress for NbtSerializer.
04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer fbbcd72 - Further work on NbtSerializer. Added INbtSerializable interface, for classes that want to provide custom reading/writing routines.
04:43 < EvokeR> Alright thanks :)
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05:50 < bobness> Is it normal to hate callbacks?
05:50 < bobness> ..it seems very natural..
05:51 < bobness> ..but so many people use them..
05:54 < dexter0> how to do asynchronous *anything* w/o them?
05:55 < dx> GOTO, obviously
05:56 < dx> you just have to find how to pass GOTO labels as parameters
06:03 < bobness> Already did that with GOTO.  It's better than callbacks, but for some reason people don't like it.
06:04 < bobness> (that was a joke)
06:05 < bobness> I guess it's not callbacks altogether that I don't like.  Event systems use callbacks, and I don't usually mind those.
06:13 < dx> bobness: ...so what do you hate?
06:21 < bobness> ..oh, most things, particularly if there isn't a good reason.  But in this case, it's probably relatively accurate to say I hate debugging callbacks in pre-existing code when they weren't well-organized.
06:30 < bobness> ..particularly when I realize I've been contributing to the mess as opposed to writing a little event handler.
06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 3 commits to master [+1/-1/±8] http://git.io/wL_DDQ
06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 11c6f1e - Added NbtTag.HasValue property. Finished rewriting NbtSerializer.Deserialize
06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer cd6a9fd - Added documentation to NbtSerializer
06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 2fca16e - Documented fNbt.Serialization attributes.
06:31 <+Scootabyte> Now, just gotta write some unit tests, and next fNbt will be good to go
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10:28 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 8a62d18 - Fixed NbtReader defaulting to little-endian encoding. Added unit tests for NbtSerializer and fixed a couple serialization bugs that were caught by the tests.
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12:07 <+Amaranth> Well, dang, it looks like vmwgfx doesn't work with gnome-shell
12:08 <+Amaranth> Err, what channel am I in?
12:08 < edk> mcdevs, apparently
12:09 < edk> it's official, minecraft is going to use gnome-shell as its HUD
12:15 < dx> edk: not minecraft, just bukkit
12:15 < edk> oh?
12:15 < dx> Amaranth is a bukkit dev :P
12:16 <+Amaranth> I'm trying to abandon Ubuntu and failing
12:16 < edk> yes..
12:16 < edk> Amaranth, in favour of?
12:16 <+Amaranth> Obvious choice: Fedora
12:16 < dx> heh
12:17 <+Amaranth> gnome-shell works surprisingly well with llvmpipe (software rendering) while running virtualized
12:17 < dx> sweet
12:17 < dx> but i'm pretty sure that if you use virtualbox you get opengl in the VM too
12:18 <+Amaranth> I may or may not have put some time in to making compiz work correctly with vmwgfx so I guess I shouldn't be surprised gnome-shell falls over
12:18 < dx> oh, vmware
12:19 < dx> Amaranth: is your host windows?
12:19 <+Amaranth> No
12:19 < dx> oh ok
12:22 < dx> i think the only point of using vmware is getting emulated directx with a linux host.. and the performance is terrible anyway
12:23 < dx> minecraft inside virtualbox "works" for me, with 5 fps and bottlenecking horribly on CPU
12:23 < dx> but it's good enough to do some tests
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15:11 < edk> Sietsem, ಠ_ಠ
15:15 < TobiX> Yay, Public away messages, those were already uncool 15 years ago...
15:48 < edk> they became uncool the same day they were invented
16:08 <+ammar2> edk: still better than the "Now listening to" messages
16:09 < edk> ammar2, that's true I suppose
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19:28 < EvokeR> Does anybody know how to calculate the server hash when you decline protocol encryption?
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19:48 < Gregor> EvokeR: It's just "-"
19:48 < Gregor> Err, wait
19:48 < Gregor> You can't decline encryption.
19:48 < Gregor> You can decline authentication.
19:48 < Gregor> If you decline authentication it's "-"
19:50 < EvokeR> I thought I could send a 0xCD with a payload of 0 to bypass encryption. Or does that only work in offline mode?
20:10 <+Fador> EvokeR: send login response (0x01) instead of encryption request (0xFD) to skip encryption
20:10 <+Fador> and yeah, you can only skip encryption in "offline mode" ;)
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20:12 <+Amaranth> It's also a quirk that is probably unintended so I would make sure you can actually deal with encryption too
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20:15 <+Fador> (privmsg'd the last few lines)
20:17 < Evoker> Well I can deal with encryption... The problem is my pure lua implementation takes five and a half minutes to calculate the RSA :/
20:19 < edk> haha
20:21 < Evoker> I managed to get it down from around half an hour :P
20:21 <+Fador> =D
20:22 <+Fador> ..use some external software to calculate it and then just reuse?
20:23 < Evoker> If only... Sadly I can't do that on my iPhone :/ :3
20:24 < Evoker> And the verify token gets in the way :/
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20:25 < Evoker> And I just realized the verify token is encrypted separately from the shared secret X/
20:28 < Evoker> (By external software I thought you meant C library :P)
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20:30 <+Fador> well that's what I thought you might want to use but...=)
20:31 <+Fador> but sure you can just create one RSA keypair with any software and just..use it
20:33 < Evoker> Yeah that would be ideal, but Im not in that much control of the environment... I'm trying to use an ios lua app with a socket library :/
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20:34 < Evoker> Yeah the shared secret is easy... If only the verify token was in aes...
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20:37 <+Fador> I don't even remember how that whole encryption works, I coded it to my server right after it was taken into use
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20:47 < TkTech> Evoker: No access to luajit? This is a prime candidate to greatly benefit from JIT'ing.
20:48 < Evoker> Hah. I don't blame you. For most platforms you just import a crypto library and you're done. Honestly I don't know why they did anything beyond the sha1 to prevent the man-in-the-middle attacks...
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20:51 < Evoker> Yeah luajit would be great. But on an iPhone... Well I'm not an ios dev. So not happening anytime soon :/
20:55 < Evoker> I just want logging in and chat working. I didn't think I was asking that much when I started this project. :/
20:55 < Gregor> <Fador> and yeah, you can only skip encryption in "offline mode" ;) // I had no idea you could bypass encryption in offline mode... would've made testing much easier X-D
20:56 <+Fador> Gregor: yeah, I noticed you _can_ do that..after I had implemented the encryption ;D
20:57 < Gregor> I wonder if the upstream server allows you to start unencrypted, play that way for a bit, then do the encryption handshake later X-D
21:00 <+Fador> I dont think so ;)
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21:04 < Evoker> Yeah that would require both the client and the server to shut up until the handshake finishes. ;)
21:14 < Gregor> Mmmm, Idonno, depends on how it's implemented. Other things could go on so long as there's a very clear "flag point" for both sides (which there almost assuredly is not, or one direction is predicated on the other and so would fail in unpredicable ways)
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22:05 < EvokeR> Well that didn't work. I tried sending 0xCD01 as a keep-alive. Apparently the login process is timed, not just a timeout :/
22:33 < Grum> oh yes it is
22:33 < Grum> EvokeR: just for the reason you are messing around with it ;P
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22:21 <+AndrewPH> TkTech: https://github.com/Herzult/SimplePHPEasyPlus wow this looks incredible. i might start using this for everything.
22:21 <+AndrewPH> really simplifies one of the most difficult php issues.
22:21 < TkTech> Haha
22:21 < TkTech> That was on reddit a few months ago, the comments on that thread were hilarious.
22:22 < TkTech> I think "Enterprise" was mentioned about 9001 times
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01:18 < MooseElkingtons> what happened to wiki.vg? o_O
01:19 < dexter0> nothing?
01:19 < MooseElkingtons> that was odd.
01:20 < MooseElkingtons> the page wasn't loading any content.
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01:39 < dreadiscool> Hi! Does anyone know how to enable AES encryption on a datainputstream and dataoutputstream?
01:39 < dreadiscool> I have all the the prerequisites set up, the key and all
01:39 < dreadiscool> And I have the socket
01:40 <+sadimusi> java?
01:40 < dreadiscool> Yeah
01:40 <+sadimusi> the easiest way is to use bouncycastle
01:40 < dreadiscool> Trying to make a client :o
01:40 < dreadiscool> :3
01:40 < dreadiscool> Well, I already set up RSA and all those shenanigans without bouncy, is there a way to do it without bouncy?
01:41 <+sadimusi> I don't think so
01:41 <+sadimusi> you can probably reuse some of this https://github.com/SimpleServer/SimpleServer/blob/master/src/simpleserver/stream/Encryption.java
01:41 < dreadiscool> Kool, thanks, will take a look (:
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01:55 <+md_5> dreadiscool / sadimusi you atcually can
01:56 <+md_5> Check out BungeeCord/EncryptionUtil
02:04 < dreadiscool> Thanks md_5 :D
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02:52 < Stormx2> Here's something interesting for you all
02:52 < Stormx2> the 'show nameplate' thing is in EntityLiving, not EntityCreature
02:53 < Stormx2> which means it may be possible to hide player nameplates
02:58 < dreadiscool> Hmm, can someone help me with this
02:58 < dreadiscool> I have some kind of login system set up