09:08 < SinZ> or aliases
09:08 < dx> yeah, gotta agree
09:08 < SinZ> though aliases can be controlled ingame
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09:09 < dx> it's just that every other proxy/plugin/mod that implemented that feature got censored in the past from forums like the bukkit ones
09:10 < nickelpro> Good thing we're not bukkit
09:10 < dx> lol
09:10 < nickelpro> Unless you're going to buy an account for every bot running on a server
09:10 < nickelpro> you need a feature to allow the bots through
09:11 < dx> yeah, i wasn't considering bots
09:11 < nickelpro> It's a legitimate use case, no reason to disallow information on it
09:11 < nickelpro> just because it can also be used for piracy
09:11 < dx> when i said that i was thinking "what's the point other than that?"
09:11 < dx> so don't mind me.
09:13 < dx> out of curiosity, what do people use bots for nowadays? i've worked in one in the past, but found that server side mods to spawn NPCs were a cleaner solution
09:13 < nickelpro> When you don't control the server
09:14 < SinZ> or when you don't have the ability to modify the server on the fly
09:14 < dx> but just as a player, what can you do that's useful?
09:14 < nickelpro> Tons of stuff, the Civcraft team is doing some really cool stuff
09:15 < nickelpro> The built an entire ingame economy using nothing but bots
09:22 < SinZ> dx: theres always chat commands
09:23 < SinZ> and the fun in making the bots
09:25 < dx> heh
09:26 < dx> yeah.. chat commands was pretty much all my bot managed to do
09:26 < SinZ> could also have it as a player detector for a door
09:27 < SinZ> put some redstone in, so the bot can toggle a lever when a player is within 5 blocks of the door
09:27 < SinZ> and could implement white/blacklists to the door
09:27 < dx> it was mostly useless stuff, there was one that showed a list of 'online' players (i think /list didn't exist back then), but it showed only nearby player entities
09:27 < dx> SinZ: hmm, interesting
09:28 < dx> but really impractical if you own the server
09:28 < dx> the idea of the extra cpu usage / chunks loaded all the time annoyed me :D
09:29 < dx> and it really couldn't handle a lot of load back then
09:32 < SinZ> dx: its only impractical if you have a *very* good modding platform on the server
09:34 < dx> SinZ: writing bukkit plugins is pretty easy IMO
09:34 < dx> not sure what you mean by very good modding platform 
09:34 < SinZ> dynamic runtime
09:36 < SinZ> and having a bukkit plugin for stuff this minor imo is more overhead to the server
09:59 < Connor1301> who knows stieve
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18:57 < ellisvlad> hi
18:59 < ellisvlad> anyone on?
19:16 < shoghicp> yes
19:16 < shoghicp> ellisvlad: ping ;)
19:21 < ellisvlad> hi there
19:22 < shoghicp> do you wanted to ask anything?
19:22 < ellisvlad> Just found this irc ;) Looked pretty useful since I am making a minecraft server ;)
19:22 < shoghicp> "making" => writing the source code?
19:23 < ellisvlad> yes :P
19:23 < shoghicp> :D
19:23 < ellisvlad> I'm not some noob who is "making" a minecraft server using the default software or bukkit :P
19:24 < ellisvlad> I am rewriting everything :D :S
19:24 < ellisvlad> and now I have hit a problem...
19:24 < shoghicp> http://www.wiki.vg/Server_List
19:25 < shoghicp> I've done a MC client
19:25 < ellisvlad> Yup, I've been on all the sites :P
19:25 < shoghicp> and now I'm doing a MCPE server
19:25 < ellisvlad> read up on everything...yet I can;t fix my problem :/
19:26 < ellisvlad> I do have a nice and bulky feature and plans list which I won't bore you with just yet... you might be able to help me though? :D
19:29 < ellisvlad> Ok so, this is the problem...
19:29 < ellisvlad> I am not too far into development, I have the server pingable and connectable.
19:30 < ellisvlad> when you connect to the server, it authenticates and enables encryption
19:30 < ellisvlad> then the player is spawned and the general settings are sent
19:30 < ellisvlad> However
19:31 < ellisvlad> I am really confused on how to send the chunks to the client
19:41 < shoghicp> sec
19:41 < shoghicp> I was out
19:41 < shoghicp> I'm going to read everything
19:41 < ellisvlad> ;) ok :P
19:42 < shoghicp> you've to use the 0x38 packet
19:43 < ellisvlad> hmm, if I use 0x33, will that do nothing?
19:43 < shoghicp> yeah, also 0x33
19:43 < ellisvlad> I will try 0x38, nad come back in 5 mins if that fails ;)
19:44 < ellisvlad> thanks
19:44 < shoghicp> small block changes and explosions use other packets
19:44 < ellisvlad> ...well I will come back if it works too, but still ;)
19:44 < shoghicp> (after you've sent that part of the map)
19:44 < shoghicp> ok!
19:44 < ellisvlad> ...I will just stay here
19:45 < shoghicp> ping me
19:57 < ellisvlad> ok.. :P
19:57 < shoghicp> nah
19:57 < shoghicp> I saw it
19:57 < shoghicp> sometimes I change tabs
19:59 < ellisvlad> Hmm
20:00 < ellisvlad> I don't think I am formatting my chunk data correctly :/
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20:05 < shoghicp> sections of 16x16x16
20:07 < ellisvlad> ah
20:07 < ellisvlad> I was sendning 16x256x16
20:07 < ellisvlad> I'll try that
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20:13 < shoghicp> 16 sections of 16x16x16
20:14 < ellisvlad> bb in a sec, food ;)
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18:45 < dav1d> clonejo: ping
18:45 <+clonejo> dav1d: pong
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23:25 < mobers> hi guys... I'm working with the MCP and can't figure out how to actually send a packet to the server the player is connected to... anyone able to point me in the right direction?
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23:27 < Krenair> player.sendQueue.addToSendQueue(packet);
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23:29 < mobers> alright, that solves that; do you know how I can form a packet as well? 
23:39 < mobers> there are a lot of Packet classes (e.g. Packet18Animate, etc); should I be using those?
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23:45 < Krenair> mobers, what do you want to send?
23:45 < mobers> let's say, for example, i want to tell the server that the client is crouching, or breaking a block
23:46 < mobers> I don't know where to start forming those packets in java
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03:10 < mobles> hi guys, i'm working with the MCP; where can I check packets that are incoming from the server?
03:13 <+clonejo> mobles: There should be some MCP related channel on Freenode
03:13 < mobles> ah, ok
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03:42 <+clonejo> TkTech: Do you think we should be more explicit in the topic about this?
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03:46 < dx> clonejo: it doesn't happen really often tbh
03:46 <+clonejo> dx: sure
03:48 < dx> but it's true that the focus of the channel is slightly implicit
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06:55 < Connor1301> um grum why do you keep ping timeouting
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08:43 < Connor1301> hey deaygo
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09:03 < Connor1301> so many joins and quits but no talk
09:12 < SinZ> its IRC, its not always fast paced...
09:16 <+md_5> channel has been a bit inactive of late
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12:08 < Connor1301> hi
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12:22 < Connor1301> omg
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12:55 < dx> i'm starting to think Connor1301 is a bot that makes random comments when people join or quit
13:00 < edk> I'm starting to think the quality of the channel would be improved if it were banned or otherwise silenced
13:01 < dx> that would be okay if it was a bot
13:01 < edk> if it's not a bot, maybe it'll realise the possibility of this happening, and stop doing it
13:02 < edk> humans who insist on acting like bots are no better than the real thing
13:02 < dx> heh
13:02 < dx> i must say i'm slightly annoyed at seeing 'activity' in this channel and it turns out to be something so pointless
13:03 < dx> but i wouldn't go as far as threatening to ban
13:03 < dx> i mean the channel rules say that the ban privileges are limited to cool guys like sircmpwn
13:04 < dx> (note: that's a very liberal non-serious interpretation of the rules)
13:04 < edk> for a second there I thought you were talking about the privilege to give out bans
13:04 < dx> heh
13:04 < dx> yeah, people rarely talk about the privilege of being banned
13:04 < Deaygo> What about the privilege of banning? :D
13:05 < edk> when you think about it it's quite an achievement to continuously upset so many people Tk bans you
13:05 < dx> edk: that's exactly my point!
13:07 < dx> anyway, i said that threats aren't needed, so
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13:07 < dx> GOD DAMMIT
13:07 < edk> what we can take away from this is that bots have shitty internet connections
13:07 < dx> lol
13:08 < jast> and use web interfaces?
13:08 < dx> he timeouted the exact moment i was going to write the message telling him politely to stop
13:08 < edk> I didn't look at his userhost
13:10 < dx> so, basically the only activity we've had today is complaining about someone who sends pointless messages that aren't relevant to the channel
13:11 < dx> i can't think of anything minecraft-related to talk about right now, but i just remembered i had to tell someone that there's a critical flaw in the irc rules page
13:11 < dx> http://mcdevs.org/irc/rules <-- first paragraph says 'exeception'
13:12 < edk> exeception
13:12 < edk> that was such a critical error I didn't notice it until I looked again
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13:13 < dx> it's such a critical error that it uses stealth techniques to stay in the page as long as possible
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13:48 <+ammar2> TkTech: looks like your git repo isn't synced up with the actual page at mcdevs.org, it still says "CIA bot" in the rules page even though its been updated to notifico in the repo
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05:36 < lahwran> how does minecraft tell if a server is up? it sends that one packet, right? but is there anything more to it?
05:36 < lahwran> do you have to do anything special these days?
05:36 < lahwran> iirc there's a new dns thing
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05:56 < umby24> lahwran: it sends a 'server list ping'
05:57 < umby24> nothing really special to it
05:57 < umby24> not encrypted or anything
05:57 < umby24> it sends back a kick packet (0xFF (Dec. 255)) with all the information you see in the client
05:58 < umby24> the new DNS thing is a SRV record, been in minecraft for a few versions
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05:58 < umby24> it just looks for the DNS SRV record before a standard dns query
05:58 < umby24> but iirc a srv record can include a port as well as an ip
05:59 < umby24> or even a different ip than a standard dns lookup
05:59 < lahwran> ok
05:59 < umby24> that way you don't have to pass your users a port, they just put in the ip.
05:59 < lahwran> how do I determine the port from a SRV lookup
06:01 < umby24> hm.. you could use nslookup to return it
06:02 < lahwran> I'm in python, twisted; sounds like what you're saying is "it's just a normal SRV record"
06:02 < lahwran> I don't know dns
06:02 < lahwran> so I don't know what's what, if you're saying it's normal I can just google for it
06:03 < umby24> im unfamiliar with looking it up programically, sorry
06:05 < lahwran> ok, thanks
06:06 < umby24> if you can get output from another program, nslookup -type=SRV [domain]
06:07 < umby24> though i am having issue with my test domain, as it appears they put it behind cloudflare :D
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15:26 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/wm7nNw
15:26 < Not-001> [PyNBT] DMBuce 0dca461 - Fix shebang in bigtest
15:26 < Not-001> [PyNBT] DMBuce 3245ab2 - Update example documentation to work with Python 3 * Use mode='rb' with open() * Use `print(foo)` instead of `print foo` This clears up some of the confusion in issue #3.
15:26 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech 6e1f01e - Merge pull request #6 from DMBuce/master Fix docs, test
15:30 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/Y8Ip7g
15:30 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech 7a0be81 - Default NBTFile name is now ''; Closes #7
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12:51 < pbunny> hi
12:52 < pbunny> i need somebody to join my server and test stuff
12:52 < pbunny> ( i haven't bought mc client yet )
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15:34 < pbunny> hi, can somebody test my server?
15:34 < pbunny> i don't have mc client
15:41 <+clonejo> pbunny: Would be easier if you said host and port…
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16:23 < pbunny> clonejo: trolls.lv:1337
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18:57 < Valdiralita> zz_dav1d!
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