05:34 -!- TkTech changed the topic of #mcdevs to: A haunt for developers working on projects related to Minecraft | Website & Rules: http://mcdevs.org | Wiki: http://wiki.vg | Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13
05:34 < umby24> It took several code examples for me to get a basic grasp..
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05:35 < umby24> and even then i ended up just translating someone elses code to my language of choice at the time.
05:35 < umby24> I was actually pretty close to one part of it, was just missing a setting or two.
05:36 < SinZ> TkTech: Link to the logs / statistics?
05:36 < TkTech> SinZ: Not up yet, a beta feature of Not-001.
05:36 < SinZ> ah
05:37 < TkTech> Pretty logs optionally available to anyone (must be enabled by a channel op), and full text searching for select channels (limited resources)
05:37 < SinZ> will have fun playing around with that in my channel <3
05:39 < TkTech> (Sponsored by http://myredis.com / WedTM)
05:39 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: very cloudy page.
05:40 < SinZ> WedTM is cool like that
05:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: I think that's a joke but I'm missing it
05:40 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: no I just thought the page looked simple and modern
05:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Also, I'm travelling all this week. Know the last date to upgrade battlecruisers?
05:40 < SinZ> good to see Spout is using notifico now
05:41 < TkTech> Yeah, spout went all-in, nice little spike on the projects graph.
05:41 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: well sometime in summer, but training to level 5 takes 25 days (just for 4 to 5 fully min/maxed).
05:42 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: 25 days for BATTLECRUISERS? Really? 
05:42 < TkTech> For battleships, okay. Seems a bit excessive for battlecruisers...
05:42 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: 20 or 25, my memory fail me.
05:44 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: you also want to have all the racial cruisers at 3
05:44 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: I have that already I think for Gallente and Amarr 
05:46 < SinZ> TkTech: how does a channel op enable the logging?
05:46 < SinZ> well, how will a channel op enable logging
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05:46 < TkTech> SinZ: You cannot at the moment.
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05:46 < TkTech> SinZ: But you just need to have your networks version of +o (as specified in the 005 message), and the bot needs to be in the channel.
05:47 < TkTech> SinZ: Then you can PM it and "set logging 1" or as a shortcut "enable logging"
05:47 < SinZ> ah, ok
05:48 < TkTech> You'll get a URL that looks like http://n.tkte.ch/s/channels/irc.freenode.net/<channel>
05:48 < TkTech> But I'll allow you to specify a CNAME so you can use your own URL.
05:52 <+Prf_Jakob> sleep time
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06:49 < Gregor> Et voila, encryption is a go ^^
06:49 < Gregor> BEND TO MY CRUEL WILL, MINECRAFT! MUAHAHAHAHA
06:50 < TkTech> He's snapped, he has.
06:50 < TkTech> Gregor: Remember to blog about the problems you encountered :)
06:51 < TkTech> Every dev should blog about every little thing. </opinion>
06:51 < Gregor> I was just about to muse about whether one needs to be registered to edit wiki.vg...
06:51 < TkTech> Gregor: Even better. You can just sign up and edit.
06:52 < Gregor> Other than just "Read the damned docs, Gregor", I only had one hiccup *shrugs*
06:54 < Gregor> I'll also barf up this source somewhere once it's a bit more vetted. Probably the only C+libtomcrypt implementation X-D
06:55 < umby24> could be a good contribution to the wiki as a implementation of the encryption
06:55 < umby24> as a sample for others and all
06:57 < Gregor> I'm doing a somewhat (read: entirely) insane project ^^´, trying to write a protocol-version converter so you can use unequal client and server versions (modulo incompatible features which get scrubbed from the packets).
06:57 < Gregor> But yeah, the handshake.c has a nice, brief description of the encryption (minus online mode) for both client and server handshake :)
06:59 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Gregor to Protocol Encryption -> http://tinyurl.com/aedov4r
07:00 < Gregor> Mmm, I see you have spies *sage nod*
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07:07 < umby24> awesome.
07:08 < umby24> blog posting to website and tumblr about minecraft bot: complete.
07:08 < umby24> now for bedtime.
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13:47 <+sadimusi> Gregor: you should talk to pdelvo, he built exactly the same thing
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15:24 <+pdelvo> And it works! :D
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16:04 < Gregor> sadimusi, pdelvo: Yes, I'm aware. But it's in C♯, looks like it's only been tested on Windows/Visual Studio, and I'm not going to be the one to work out all the inevitable bugs making it work on Mono.
16:04 < Gregor> It was my inspiration though X-D
16:04 < jast> a ♯, how fancy
16:04 < Gregor> jast: I do ♥ the Unicode.
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16:06 <+pdelvo> There is a problem related to mono. the encryption. I use .net methods for it which are implemented in mono, but behave different. Using a different library could solve it, but would make it slower
16:06 < jast> yeah, I � Unicode, too
16:07 < Gregor> pdelvo: I'm not placing blame, just being stubbornly anti-Micro$oft. I have poked around the code, to the very limited degree that I know C♯ (which is "I know Java and it's the same language but less stupid")
16:08 < Gregor> Err, C♯ being the "less stupid" in that comparison.
16:08 < jast> of course
16:08 < jast> anyone who isn't completely incidental would agree with that
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16:09 <+pdelvo> please stop this :o Everytime this topic comes up this makes someone cry at the end 
16:09 < Gregor> Heheheh
16:09 < Gregor> I did an internship at Microsoft Research y'know.
16:09 < Gregor> Never Again.™
16:10 < Gregor> Product group decided they didn't like my project and axed it after months of work, pretty much killing the whole experience.
16:10 < Gregor> After that I've pretty much decided I'm not going to touch Microsoft with a seventy-thousand-foot pole.
16:11 < jast> I don't mind making people cry, if it's over something like a programming language
16:13 < edk> making people cry can be necessary
16:13 < edk> especially if they're java programmers
16:13 < Gregor> Anyway, I'm still making the problem worse by not giving two shits whether my C code works on Windows, so I can't take the high ground, only the "if Unix was good enough for grandpa it's good enough for me" grounds.
16:14 <+pdelvo> I warned you! :o
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16:27 < Gregor> I feel like that flamewar ended far too easily.
16:27 < Gregor> So, shall our next subject be religion? Or, more contentiously, operating systems?
16:28 < jast> it's not a flamewar if everyone agrees
16:28 < jast> my least favourite operating system is emacs
16:29 < edk> +1
16:29 < Gregor> Emacs would be a perfectly good operating system if there was a decent text editor for it.
16:29 < edk> Actually, my least favourite OS is mIRC
16:30 < cindy_k> lol
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16:59 < Gregor> Actually, pdelvo: I don't suppose you have or know where to get super-ancient copies of the /server/? Stupidly enough, that's what's been the hardest thing for me in testing. Versions from before b1.8 seem to have vanished from the Internet >_>
17:00 <+pdelvo> hm no sorry :/
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17:02 < Gregor> Beta 1.8 is NOT OLDE ENOUGH ^^
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17:03 <+sadimusi> isn't there a project providing bdiffs for older minecraft versions?
17:03 < Gregor> sadimusi: Only the client, as far as I've been able to tell.
17:03 < Gregor> (That's how I got the client all the way back to indev :) )
17:12 <+pdelvo> but this should be enough. the client knows all packets too. it sends them, or must be able to read them
17:12 < Gregor> Yeah, but the client never, e.g., sends chunk info.
17:13 < Gregor> I've tested with earlier clients, and I can get them to connect to newer servers, but I don't consider that an especially complete test *shrugs*
17:13 < Gregor> Besides, my ultimate goal was a nostalgia-server, not a nostalgia-client ^^´
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18:48 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Thinkofdeath to Pre-release protocol -> Error
18:50 < Thinkofdeath> Did I break it?
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19:21 < Valdiralita> hey
19:22 < Valdiralita> md_5: i doubt you care about this but the error log wants me to show this to you: http://hastebin.com/vagopukaco.avrasm
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21:21 <+md_5> Valdiralita hehe, only old versions tell it to show to me personally :p
21:22 < Valdiralita> is a mcpc bukkit version
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23:46 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Up for a wee little OpenTTD?
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00:00 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: syre
00:00 <+Prf_Jakob> sure*
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00:12 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Think anyone else is up for it?
00:14 < TkTech> (Your server isn't up)
00:14 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: is for me..
00:14 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Dynamic IP?
00:14 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: probably what does the address resolve to?
00:14 < TkTech> Nothing
00:15 <+Prf_Jakob> err?
00:15 < TkTech> The IP you gave me last time goes nowhere
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00:19 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: if you want, I can change as well.
00:20 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: It's been awhile, new game okay?
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00:20 <+Prf_Jakob> sure
00:21 <+Prf_Jakob> temperate, snowy or desert?
00:21 < TkTech> Whatever, your choice
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19:21 < rom1504> superjoe: my bot can now avoid bedrock (I used a star with a very simple getNeighbor function) :)
19:22 < superjoe> rom1504, very cool!
19:22 < superjoe> maybe mineflayer-scaffold should be updated to use A*
19:23 < rom1504> but I'm having a problem with water and sand : If the sand fall and water follow it, it seems mineflayer cannot see there is water (and think it is sand)
19:23 < rom1504> I'll try and make a simple test case for this
19:23 < superjoe> I have observed this problem too
19:23 < superjoe> maybe we can find a workaround
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19:25 < rom1504> superjoe: you can look at this code for the avoid bedrock thing : https://github.com/rom1504/rbot/blob/master/avoidBedrock.js , I took the index.js file of mineflayer-navigate and removed a lot of things
19:40 < superjoe> cool
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21:54 < bobness> ..is the inventory setup for the Brewing Stand not known, or just not on the wiki in the Inventory page?
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22:18 <+pdelvo> You could put it there :)
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22:39 < bobness> *nod*  if I can figure it out, I plan to.  I just wasn't sure if the order was known yet.  
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23:26 < Valdiralita> where is SirCmpwn? havent seen him the last days ...
23:27 < edk> He's banned from this channel, iirc
23:27 < edk> yep
23:27 < Valdiralita> okay ..
23:27 < Valdiralita> why?
23:28 < dexter0> He is still in #craft.net
23:28 < Valdiralita> thanks
23:29 < edk> I can dig out the log if you really want, but the condensed version is "the same reason he's banned everywhere else"
23:30 < Valdiralita> nah, its ok
23:30 < Valdiralita> thanks anyway
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03:32 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: I have never imported contacts, we have no people in common, I've never mentioned you; yet Twitter still recommends following you/
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04:11 <+AndrewPH> TkTech: facebook has managed to do this with people that I have seen once, maybe twice, on the internet, who have literally nothing in common with me.
04:31 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: scary...
04:34 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: not even fCraft?
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04:35 < dexter0> Are the channel logs available yet?
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05:55 < bobness> When replying to a rejection packet, do I just send the same packet back?
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09:39 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Dx to Protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/boozp2j
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09:53 < dx> huh
09:55 < dx> i know i don't usually pay a lot of attention to this channel, but it's the first time i see Not-001 reporting edits
09:56 < dx> and looking at my logs, they are rather rare lately
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11:24 <+md_5> dx been going for a month or 2
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18:04 < SupaYoshi> Hey
18:05 < SupaYoshi> The mark2 channel is empty
18:05 < SupaYoshi> Im using mark2, howeever my backup files are only 69 bytes big when they are saved after a shutdown?
18:05 < SupaYoshi> How can i config the backup for mark2?
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19:21 < dx> >Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13
19:21 < dx> exactly what i needed :D
19:22 < dx> wait, damn, i need logs for exactly that day.. and i can't find a public link
19:22 < dx> oh well, pastebin
19:22 < Gregor> Is it really "publicly" logged if we don't know where these supposedly "public" logs are...
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19:34 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Dx to Protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/cp8desn
19:34 < dx> damn i'm going to be late for the doctor, just because i felt it was needed to clarify a wiki change
19:34  * dx grabs a stack of ender pearls to reach the place faster
19:35 < Gregor> <dx> Oof oof oof oof oof oof oof oof oof oof ugh.  * dx hit the ground too hard.
19:36 < dx> ;_;
19:37 < dx> oh, before i leave, if someone finds any information about minecraft realms, post it please
19:38 < dx> mostly, where it is hosted and if there are any clues of particular infrastructure
19:39 < dx> the user interface to create those servers is so dumbed down that they
19:39 < dx> *they've probably found a way to make servers scale magically infinitely
19:44 < dexter0> If it is some sort of Mojang provided hosting, I wonder how popular it will be if it does not support mods.
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19:56 < Gregor> Hm, how were those given access notified of their access, I wonder...
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20:41 < Morrolan> dexter0 - Quite popular with families who just want a server to play on, without having to, well, know how to host a server?
20:42 < dexter0> good point
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23:39 < Zatorg> has anyone tried implementing a differential backup solution for MC maps? i.e. have the original mapdata -> do diffs of it -> update the original once in a while. this would make so much sense if the map was a pregen'ed large one (e.g. 20k x 20k)
23:39 < Zatorg> (we're preparing to start up an smp server with a rather large map.)
23:40 < Zatorg> simply doing binary diffs like a good sysadmin makes sense. i tried googling, but have not found anything interesting with minecraft as one of the keywords. so might use a generic solution. was maybe hoping there'd be a plugin for that.
23:40 < jast> yeah, I started implementing that, but got bored
23:40 < jast> it's pretty tediout because you have to actually parse NBT and stuff
23:41 < Zatorg> thing is, as i understand from very limited exposure to its code, bukkit / vanilla mc (bukkit uses vanilla code in that part i think) already updates only the chunks that were changed since last write.
23:41 < edk> I would have thought the map format bit would be the annoying one
23:41 < jast> well, you can _mostly_ ignore the map format if you just create binary diffs
23:41 < jast> except you need to uncompress the chunks first, but that's not terribly complicated
23:41 < edk> well rsync is clever enough to do that all by its little old self, it can tell when files haven't changed at all
23:41 < edk> iirc
23:42 < Zatorg> yes, uncompressing for doing binary diff would be necessary
23:42 < edk> yeah
23:42 < jast> rsync can't magically figure out what to uncompress before generating deltas
23:42 < edk> I mean the files that aren't changed
23:42 < jast> yeah, but files are by region. so if a region changes, chances are you need to store the full region
23:42 < edk> mm, true.
23:43 < edk> hell, you could do time machine's shitty hardlinking trick if it weren't for that, I guess
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23:44 < edk> <jast> yeah, I started implementing that, but got bored <- there are pretty much unlimited project ideas of which I could say that
23:44 < edk> uh, take that sentence, add grammar to it, then read it
23:45 < jast> I had a few thousand lines of code before I quit
23:45 < jast> not terribly exciting code, though
23:45 < Zatorg> jast: were you writing it as a plugin, or external tool?
23:45 < jast> tool
23:45 < edk> what would it be a plugin to?
23:45 < jast> hell will freeze over before I write for the JVM
23:45 < jast> unless someone pays me
23:45 < Zatorg> edk: automated differential backups - well a bukkit plugin in my case :)
23:46 < jast> you could wire the external tool to a filesystem watcher
23:46 < jast> minimal overhead
23:46 < Zatorg> jast: i'm writing for Android, can't say i enjoy java though, but..
23:46 < Zatorg> mhm
23:46 < edk> what two things do backups protect against?
23:46 < jast> oh yeah, there's that
23:46 < jast> I've been considering doing android stuff
23:46 < jast> perhaps if I use scala or something, it'll be slightly less aggravating
23:47 < edk> I considered doing android stuff, then I tried to start making an app and decided I couldn't be bothered to java
23:47 < Zatorg> oh sorry, didn't add one other crucial bit: for me, any backups => automatically imply - offsite backups.
23:47 < edk> sure
23:47 < edk> how is that crucial in the context of whether or not it should be a bukkit plugin?
23:48 < Zatorg> it would be a map autosaver and backup system two-in-one (not sure of phrasing)
23:48 < edk> to me, the issue with a bukkit plugin is that if something goes wrong with the server, it's also gone wrong with the thing making the backup
23:48 < edk> minecraft already has autosave
23:48 < Zatorg> true, true..
23:48 < jast> in other news... been compiling rust for an hour or so
23:48 < jast> still going strong
23:48 < edk> rust looks yucky
23:48 < Zatorg> edk: thing is, i'm really new to mc dev stuff. but as i understand, one firstly needs to stop autosaving before attempting to back up mapdata, as what's on disk at a given atomic point in time is not necessarily
23:49 < Zatorg> consistent.
23:49 < edk> supposedly you can write bukkit plugins with python, which is nice
23:49 < edk> Zatorg, that's what server wrappers are for
23:49 < Zatorg> but i agree, bukkit fails => hells breaks
23:49 < conehead> Not particularly interesting, but a list given by the Minecraft Realms create dialog of server locations you can select from http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CdxuxRnk
23:49 < jast> the last backup solution I had to deal with that was written in python was full of bugs
23:49 < jast> you know, the "doesn't actually write the backups anywhere" kinds of bugs
23:50 < edk> that seems a problem with the person writing the software
23:50 < jast> also the "eats craploads of RAM for big files" kinds
23:50 < edk> as far as I know, python doesn't have any inherent problems with writing files
23:50 < Zatorg> conehead: hehe searching for keywords 'minecraft distributed <..>' brought me to http://cyber.felk.cvut.cz/research/theses/papers/240.pdf ("Distributed Server for the Game `Minecraft' - Czech Technical..") -> #mcdevs was mentioned in that paper.. that's how i got here.
23:50 < jast> sshh, I'm ranting here
23:50 < edk> oh ok then
23:51 < jast> so, anyway, don't use duplicity
23:51 < edk> that should be easy enough
23:52 < edk> since I'd never heard of it up until now
23:52 < Zatorg> i agree, writing an mc plugin for backups doesn't sound like a clever idea. however - citing self:
23:52 < Zatorg> "thing is, as i understand from very limited exposure to its code, bukkit / vanilla mc (bukkit uses vanilla code in that part i think) already updates only the chunks that were changed since last write."
23:52 < edk> I'm not sure how that helps you
23:52 < Zatorg> can anybody bother to succintly explain to me how MC server saves mapdata to disk?
23:52 < jast> what I'd care about most for map backups is incremental backups
23:53 < jast> so, that helps exactly not at all
23:53 < Zatorg> jast: well then you rely on you having all the previous diffs no?
23:53 < edk> if you have a brain, you take a full backup every now and then
23:53 < Zatorg> (which of course makes sense)
23:53 < Zatorg> ofc
23:53 < edk> you can also diff backwards from now instead of forwards from the beginning of time
23:54 < jast> yeah, like rdiff-backup does
23:54 < jast> oh fuck me
23:54 < Zatorg> ok, i'm new. damn it, i should know that..
23:54 < jast> the notebook's battery charger has, once again, decided to discharge the battery instead of charging it
23:55 < edk> that sounds less than ideal
23:55 < edk> and by "less than ideal" i mean really shitty
23:56 < jast> at least this time I noticed before it died
23:56 < jast> okay, still deciding to discharge after I removed the charger for a moment
23:57 < edk> your notebook's power management doesn't sound like the brightest of sparks
23:58 < jast> my 
23:58 < jast> (gah)
23:58 < jast> my money is on "hardware is getting senile"
--- Day changed ven. mars 01 2013
00:00 < jast> well screw that
00:00 < jast> good night
00:00 < Zatorg> dmesg | tail might have something to tell you no? maybe not..
00:00 < Zatorg> nn
00:01 < jast> no, ACPI thinks it's charging
00:01 < Zatorg> oh well then, yes, maybe senile :)
00:01 < jast> I'm fairly sure it's a defect in the battery itself
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00:01 < jast> I just just chuck this piece of junk and get something new, I suppose
00:01 < jast> ... and now I'm actually leaving. :)
00:02 < edk> bye
00:03 < TkTech> Gregor: Funny enough, you'd know if you read the logs.
00:03 < TkTech> Gregor: That's up there as a disclaimer due to freenode policies to notify of any logging.
00:04 < TkTech> Gregor: It's a beta feature of the Not-001 bot not yet available to the public.
00:05 < TkTech> Zatorg: Neat, thanks for that paper link. Always interested in academia + minecraft
00:05 < edk> there are probably like a million people with private logs anyway, I don't really see why it's such a big deal
00:05 < Zatorg> (something something dead horse) i'd simply be interested to utilize the fact that MC might already know which chunks need saving - so a backup system could e.g. only save changed chunks since last save.. but might be a dangerous way to do it like that
00:05 < Zatorg> indeed TkTech :)
00:05 < edk> and by "like a million" I mean not really anything like that amount
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00:05 < edk> Zatorg, you'd have to get pretty deep in minecraft's guts to do that, I think
00:05 < edk> bukkit doesn't expose the needed API
00:05 < TkTech> dx: It's reported 205 wiki changes over 3 months
00:06 < Zatorg> i think i got the part where it does that edk
00:06 < Zatorg> bukkit seems to use native code in that part
00:06 < TkTech> dx: Minus a week or two where that script wasn't running
00:06 < Zatorg> at least that's what the comments indicate
00:06 < Zatorg> i'm just.. not feeling confident, thought someone else might have tried sth like that.
00:07 < Zatorg> and by 'native code' i mean obscurely named variables and disassembled raw code
00:07 < Zatorg> but might totally off the mark here.
00:07 < Zatorg> *might be
00:08 < Zatorg> hm drunk gf back from work, multitasking, not good
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00:43 < Gregor> TkTech: You should update the topic to read "Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13: Check the log for the URL"
00:49 < Kyle> Usually, if the channel isn't +s, I assume someone is publically logging
00:49 < Kyle> even then, someone is privately logging, 
00:49 < Gregor> Well, everyone logs privately *shrugs*
00:49 < Kyle> It's really no difference, because I'll post sniplets of logs on demand :p
00:50 < Gregor> Yup.
00:50 < Gregor> I have a public logbot that I got VISCERAL complaints for bringing into a channel (with the chanop's permission!) once >_O
00:50 < Kyle> heh
00:51 < Gregor> I've vowed to publish my private logs as a nice "eff you" once it's a few years in.
01:02 < TkTech> Kyle: Doesn't matter what you assume, freenode rules are freenode rules :)
01:03 < TkTech> (And we are a registered freenode group)
01:05 < Kyle> TkTech: they arent rules
01:05 < Kyle> that specific part is a guideline
01:05 < Kyle> recommended 
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01:33 < TkTech> Kyle: You seem to be right, but I've been in #freenode long enough to see some pretty strong reactions to doing it without notice.
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05:53 < SinZ> is it me, or has b.wiki.vg not been checking the newer snapshots
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06:28 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Umby24 to Client List -> http://tinyurl.com/bzv4dmo
06:28 < umby24> ^ one more coming
06:29 < umby24> forgot to add link
06:29 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Umby24 to Client List -> http://tinyurl.com/bfljq6p
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07:27 < lahwran> hey folksies
07:27 < lahwran> I'd like to write a clientside logging tool that logs chat, and maybe other stuff, how hard would this be to do in python/twisted as a proxy?
07:28 < lahwran> assuming close familiarity with python but near zero familiarity with mc's protocol
07:28 < lahwran> I know it uses packets with ids
07:28 < lahwran> that's it
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07:38 < umby24> hm.
07:39 < umby24> http://wiki.vg/Client_List
07:39 < umby24> a few open source bots there that support current minecraft that are written in python
07:39 < umby24> two of which with twisted
07:39 < umby24> may give you some idea
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08:14 < lahwran> sweet, twistedbot looks viable
08:20 < lahwran> hm, I might also try spout ... I heard it's coming along pretty well
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12:28 < eddyb> Alan: the wiki linked in the topic has lots of resources to get you started :P
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03:15 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Going to ream my ISP when I get home on Sunday.
03:16 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Got the bill yesterday, $ 285.36 
03:24 < SinZ> 0.o
03:24 < SinZ> dafuq did you do
03:25 < TkTech> It's funny, because their own website shows drastically different figures than this bill.
03:25 < TkTech> It also says "Bandwith notification sent in the last three months: NONE"
03:25 < TkTech> Normal month-to-month service is $118.59
03:26 < TkTech> (This is internet only, with a 300GB "cap")
03:26 < TkTech> Each GB above that is $1
03:26 < TkTech> The bill claims I used 147.58GB above that cap.
03:26 < TkTech> +$40 in random fees
03:26 < SinZ> should of been warned about being close to your cap
03:27 < TkTech> Apparently, 380,567.14 bytes (figure reported on my router and their website) is 300GB + 147.58GB
03:27 < TkTech> Right. Hence, "Usage notifications and alerts sent over the last three months: NONE"
03:27 < TkTech> And why I'm going to ream them out when I get home.
03:28 < TkTech> Er, MB, ovbviously.
04:01 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: lol wut
04:04 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Welcome to Canada
04:11 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: insane..
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07:43 < Connor1301> whats up
07:44 < SinZ> nm, u
07:46 < Connor1301> nm, u?
07:47 < SinZ> nothing much
07:47 < Connor1301> oh ok
07:48 < Connor1301> im not a good texter
07:48 < Connor1301> nm here
07:48 < Connor1301> im learning
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08:39 < Connor1301> whats going on
08:48 <+md_5> not much
08:49 < Connor1301> ok
09:00 < dx> is it philosophy time in #mcdevs?
09:01 < AlphaBlend> you tell me
09:03 < dx> huh
09:03 < dx> one of the proxies linked from the wiki has this feature: "onlineModeExceptions - in online mode, this is usernames which are not checked"
09:03 < dx> i wonder if the #mcdevs admins would prefer to have that kind of proxies 'censored'
09:05 < nickelpro> Why?
09:06 < SinZ> this is an open source of information, having the ability to turn online mode off is part of the protocol, on the event of login.minecraft.net and/or session.minecraft.net being down
09:06 < dx> this is a selective way to turn online mode
09:07 < dx> it's only used to allow piracy
09:07 < nickelpro> Or to allow bots through
09:07 < nickelpro> The far more common option
09:08 < SinZ> dx: its built into the vannila server
09:08 < SinZ> mostly
09:08 < SinZ> but allowing bots through is a *really* nice thing to have