05:34 -!- TkTech changed the topic of #mcdevs to: A haunt for developers working on projects related to Minecraft | Website & Rules: http://mcdevs.org | Wiki: http://wiki.vg | Channel is publicly logged as of Feb.25/13 05:34 < umby24> It took several code examples for me to get a basic grasp.. 05:34 -!- mode/#mcdevs [-o TkTech] by ChanServ 05:35 < umby24> and even then i ended up just translating someone elses code to my language of choice at the time. 05:35 < umby24> I was actually pretty close to one part of it, was just missing a setting or two. 05:36 < SinZ> TkTech: Link to the logs / statistics? 05:36 < TkTech> SinZ: Not up yet, a beta feature of Not-001. 05:36 < SinZ> ah 05:37 < TkTech> Pretty logs optionally available to anyone (must be enabled by a channel op), and full text searching for select channels (limited resources) 05:37 < SinZ> will have fun playing around with that in my channel <3 05:39 < TkTech> (Sponsored by http://myredis.com / WedTM) 05:39 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: very cloudy page. 05:40 < SinZ> WedTM is cool like that 05:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: I think that's a joke but I'm missing it 05:40 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: no I just thought the page looked simple and modern 05:40 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Also, I'm travelling all this week. Know the last date to upgrade battlecruisers? 05:40 < SinZ> good to see Spout is using notifico now 05:41 < TkTech> Yeah, spout went all-in, nice little spike on the projects graph. 05:41 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: well sometime in summer, but training to level 5 takes 25 days (just for 4 to 5 fully min/maxed). 05:42 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: 25 days for BATTLECRUISERS? Really? 05:42 < TkTech> For battleships, okay. Seems a bit excessive for battlecruisers... 05:42 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: 20 or 25, my memory fail me. 05:44 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: you also want to have all the racial cruisers at 3 05:44 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: I have that already I think for Gallente and Amarr 05:46 < SinZ> TkTech: how does a channel op enable the logging? 05:46 < SinZ> well, how will a channel op enable logging 05:46 -!- Kyle [kyle@botters/kyle] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:46 < TkTech> SinZ: You cannot at the moment. 05:46 -!- KyleXY [kyle@botters/kyle] has joined #mcdevs 05:46 < TkTech> SinZ: But you just need to have your networks version of +o (as specified in the 005 message), and the bot needs to be in the channel. 05:47 < TkTech> SinZ: Then you can PM it and "set logging 1" or as a shortcut "enable logging" 05:47 < SinZ> ah, ok 05:48 < TkTech> You'll get a URL that looks like http://n.tkte.ch/s/channels/irc.freenode.net/ 05:48 < TkTech> But I'll allow you to specify a CNAME so you can use your own URL. 05:52 <+Prf_Jakob> sleep time 06:19 -!- SinZ_ [~SinZ@CPE-137-147-179-97.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mcdevs 06:21 -!- SinZ [~SinZ@CPE-137-147-179-97.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:21 -!- SinZ_ is now known as SinZ 06:49 < Gregor> Et voila, encryption is a go ^^ 06:49 < Gregor> BEND TO MY CRUEL WILL, MINECRAFT! MUAHAHAHAHA 06:50 < TkTech> He's snapped, he has. 06:50 < TkTech> Gregor: Remember to blog about the problems you encountered :) 06:51 < TkTech> Every dev should blog about every little thing. 06:51 < Gregor> I was just about to muse about whether one needs to be registered to edit wiki.vg... 06:51 < TkTech> Gregor: Even better. You can just sign up and edit. 06:52 < Gregor> Other than just "Read the damned docs, Gregor", I only had one hiccup *shrugs* 06:54 < Gregor> I'll also barf up this source somewhere once it's a bit more vetted. Probably the only C+libtomcrypt implementation X-D 06:55 < umby24> could be a good contribution to the wiki as a implementation of the encryption 06:55 < umby24> as a sample for others and all 06:57 < Gregor> I'm doing a somewhat (read: entirely) insane project ^^´, trying to write a protocol-version converter so you can use unequal client and server versions (modulo incompatible features which get scrubbed from the packets). 06:57 < Gregor> But yeah, the handshake.c has a nice, brief description of the encryption (minus online mode) for both client and server handshake :) 06:59 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by Gregor to Protocol Encryption -> http://tinyurl.com/aedov4r 07:00 < Gregor> Mmm, I see you have spies *sage nod* 07:02 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 07:07 < umby24> awesome. 07:08 < umby24> blog posting to website and tumblr about minecraft bot: complete. 07:08 < umby24> now for bedtime. 07:21 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 07:27 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 07:27 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 07:35 -!- mappum_ [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35 -!- mappum_ [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 07:40 -!- mappum_ [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:02 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.251.113.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40 -!- mapppum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 08:41 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Krenair, Dinnerbone, mappum, Deaygo, Adam01 08:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Adam01 08:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Krenair 08:45 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@24.134.55.50] has joined #mcdevs 08:50 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- Deaygo [~Deaygo@mcbouncer.com] has joined #mcdevs 08:53 -!- Dinnerbone [~dinnerbon@i.could.have.had.any.host.but.i.decided.on.dinnerbone.com] has joined #mcdevs 08:57 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 09:26 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@24.134.55.50] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 09:52 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 09:55 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:59 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 10:02 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:25 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:26 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 10:26 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 10:43 -!- Me4502 [~Me4502@184.154.203.43] has joined #mcdevs 10:43 -!- Me4502 is now known as Guest8608 10:44 -!- mapppum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:57 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 11:22 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has joined #mcdevs 11:22 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v kev009] by ChanServ 11:36 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 11:36 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 11:40 -!- Guest8608 [~Me4502@184.154.203.43] has quit [Changing host] 11:40 -!- Guest8608 [~Me4502@unaffiliated/me4502] has joined #mcdevs 11:41 -!- Guest8608 is now known as Me4502 12:14 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has joined #mcdevs 12:39 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 12:59 -!- pbunny [~pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has joined #mcdevs 13:02 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 13:03 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:07 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 13:10 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:20 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 13:25 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has joined #mcdevs 13:28 -!- SinZ [~SinZ@CPE-137-147-179-97.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:47 <+sadimusi> Gregor: you should talk to pdelvo, he built exactly the same thing 13:57 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 14:53 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@D97A5516.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 15:24 <+pdelvo> And it works! :D 15:46 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 15:48 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 16:04 < Gregor> sadimusi, pdelvo: Yes, I'm aware. But it's in C♯, looks like it's only been tested on Windows/Visual Studio, and I'm not going to be the one to work out all the inevitable bugs making it work on Mono. 16:04 < Gregor> It was my inspiration though X-D 16:04 < jast> a ♯, how fancy 16:04 < Gregor> jast: I do ♥ the Unicode. 16:06 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 16:06 <+pdelvo> There is a problem related to mono. the encryption. I use .net methods for it which are implemented in mono, but behave different. Using a different library could solve it, but would make it slower 16:06 < jast> yeah, I � Unicode, too 16:07 < Gregor> pdelvo: I'm not placing blame, just being stubbornly anti-Micro$oft. I have poked around the code, to the very limited degree that I know C♯ (which is "I know Java and it's the same language but less stupid") 16:08 < Gregor> Err, C♯ being the "less stupid" in that comparison. 16:08 < jast> of course 16:08 < jast> anyone who isn't completely incidental would agree with that 16:08 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:09 <+pdelvo> please stop this :o Everytime this topic comes up this makes someone cry at the end 16:09 < Gregor> Heheheh 16:09 < Gregor> I did an internship at Microsoft Research y'know. 16:09 < Gregor> Never Again.™ 16:10 < Gregor> Product group decided they didn't like my project and axed it after months of work, pretty much killing the whole experience. 16:10 < Gregor> After that I've pretty much decided I'm not going to touch Microsoft with a seventy-thousand-foot pole. 16:11 < jast> I don't mind making people cry, if it's over something like a programming language 16:13 < edk> making people cry can be necessary 16:13 < edk> especially if they're java programmers 16:13 < Gregor> Anyway, I'm still making the problem worse by not giving two shits whether my C code works on Windows, so I can't take the high ground, only the "if Unix was good enough for grandpa it's good enough for me" grounds. 16:14 <+pdelvo> I warned you! :o 16:21 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C542.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:23 -!- pbunny [~pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27 < Gregor> I feel like that flamewar ended far too easily. 16:27 < Gregor> So, shall our next subject be religion? Or, more contentiously, operating systems? 16:28 < jast> it's not a flamewar if everyone agrees 16:28 < jast> my least favourite operating system is emacs 16:29 < edk> +1 16:29 < Gregor> Emacs would be a perfectly good operating system if there was a decent text editor for it. 16:29 < edk> Actually, my least favourite OS is mIRC 16:30 < cindy_k> lol 16:40 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has joined #mcdevs 16:43 -!- pbunny [~pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has joined #mcdevs 16:45 -!- KyleXY is now known as Kyle 16:52 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 16:57 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C542.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59 < Gregor> Actually, pdelvo: I don't suppose you have or know where to get super-ancient copies of the /server/? Stupidly enough, that's what's been the hardest thing for me in testing. Versions from before b1.8 seem to have vanished from the Internet >_> 17:00 <+pdelvo> hm no sorry :/ 17:02 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.250.213.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:02 < Gregor> Beta 1.8 is NOT OLDE ENOUGH ^^ 17:03 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:03 <+sadimusi> isn't there a project providing bdiffs for older minecraft versions? 17:03 < Gregor> sadimusi: Only the client, as far as I've been able to tell. 17:03 < Gregor> (That's how I got the client all the way back to indev :) ) 17:12 <+pdelvo> but this should be enough. the client knows all packets too. it sends them, or must be able to read them 17:12 < Gregor> Yeah, but the client never, e.g., sends chunk info. 17:13 < Gregor> I've tested with earlier clients, and I can get them to connect to newer servers, but I don't consider that an especially complete test *shrugs* 17:13 < Gregor> Besides, my ultimate goal was a nostalgia-server, not a nostalgia-client ^^´ 17:20 -!- 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19:36 < dx> ;_; 19:37 < dx> oh, before i leave, if someone finds any information about minecraft realms, post it please 19:38 < dx> mostly, where it is hosted and if there are any clues of particular infrastructure 19:39 < dx> the user interface to create those servers is so dumbed down that they 19:39 < dx> *they've probably found a way to make servers scale magically infinitely 19:44 < dexter0> If it is some sort of Mojang provided hosting, I wonder how popular it will be if it does not support mods. 19:53 -!- jchen [jchen@igotcreameverywhe.re] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:56 < Gregor> Hm, how were those given access notified of their access, I wonder... 20:06 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25 -!- SupaYoshi [~SupaYoshi@015.224.028.145.hva.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:25 -!- Calinou 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limited exposure to its code, bukkit / vanilla mc (bukkit uses vanilla code in that part i think) already updates only the chunks that were changed since last write. 23:41 < edk> I would have thought the map format bit would be the annoying one 23:41 < jast> well, you can _mostly_ ignore the map format if you just create binary diffs 23:41 < jast> except you need to uncompress the chunks first, but that's not terribly complicated 23:41 < edk> well rsync is clever enough to do that all by its little old self, it can tell when files haven't changed at all 23:41 < edk> iirc 23:42 < Zatorg> yes, uncompressing for doing binary diff would be necessary 23:42 < edk> yeah 23:42 < jast> rsync can't magically figure out what to uncompress before generating deltas 23:42 < edk> I mean the files that aren't changed 23:42 < jast> yeah, but files are by region. so if a region changes, chances are you need to store the full region 23:42 < edk> mm, true. 23:43 < edk> hell, you could do time machine's shitty hardlinking trick if it weren't for that, I guess 23:44 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has joined #mcdevs 23:44 < edk> yeah, I started implementing that, but got bored <- there are pretty much unlimited project ideas of which I could say that 23:44 < edk> uh, take that sentence, add grammar to it, then read it 23:45 < jast> I had a few thousand lines of code before I quit 23:45 < jast> not terribly exciting code, though 23:45 < Zatorg> jast: were you writing it as a plugin, or external tool? 23:45 < jast> tool 23:45 < edk> what would it be a plugin to? 23:45 < jast> hell will freeze over before I write for the JVM 23:45 < jast> unless someone pays me 23:45 < Zatorg> edk: automated differential backups - well a bukkit plugin in my case :) 23:46 < jast> you could wire the external tool to a filesystem watcher 23:46 < jast> minimal overhead 23:46 < Zatorg> jast: i'm writing for Android, can't say i enjoy java though, but.. 23:46 < Zatorg> mhm 23:46 < edk> what two things do backups protect against? 23:46 < jast> oh yeah, there's that 23:46 < jast> I've been considering doing android stuff 23:46 < jast> perhaps if I use scala or something, it'll be slightly less aggravating 23:47 < edk> I considered doing android stuff, then I tried to start making an app and decided I couldn't be bothered to java 23:47 < Zatorg> oh sorry, didn't add one other crucial bit: for me, any backups => automatically imply - offsite backups. 23:47 < edk> sure 23:47 < edk> how is that crucial in the context of whether or not it should be a bukkit plugin? 23:48 < Zatorg> it would be a map autosaver and backup system two-in-one (not sure of phrasing) 23:48 < edk> to me, the issue with a bukkit plugin is that if something goes wrong with the server, it's also gone wrong with the thing making the backup 23:48 < edk> minecraft already has autosave 23:48 < Zatorg> true, true.. 23:48 < jast> in other news... been compiling rust for an hour or so 23:48 < jast> still going strong 23:48 < edk> rust looks yucky 23:48 < Zatorg> edk: thing is, i'm really new to mc dev stuff. but as i understand, one firstly needs to stop autosaving before attempting to back up mapdata, as what's on disk at a given atomic point in time is not necessarily 23:49 < Zatorg> consistent. 23:49 < edk> supposedly you can write bukkit plugins with python, which is nice 23:49 < edk> Zatorg, that's what server wrappers are for 23:49 < Zatorg> but i agree, bukkit fails => hells breaks 23:49 < conehead> Not particularly interesting, but a list given by the Minecraft Realms create dialog of server locations you can select from http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CdxuxRnk 23:49 < jast> the last backup solution I had to deal with that was written in python was full of bugs 23:49 < jast> you know, the "doesn't actually write the backups anywhere" kinds of bugs 23:50 < edk> that seems a problem with the person writing the software 23:50 < jast> also the "eats craploads of RAM for big files" kinds 23:50 < edk> as far as I know, python doesn't have any inherent problems with writing files 23:50 < Zatorg> conehead: hehe searching for keywords 'minecraft distributed <..>' brought me to http://cyber.felk.cvut.cz/research/theses/papers/240.pdf ("Distributed Server for the Game `Minecraft' - Czech Technical..") -> #mcdevs was mentioned in that paper.. that's how i got here. 23:50 < jast> sshh, I'm ranting here 23:50 < edk> oh ok then 23:51 < jast> so, anyway, don't use duplicity 23:51 < edk> that should be easy enough 23:52 < edk> since I'd never heard of it up until now 23:52 < Zatorg> i agree, writing an mc plugin for backups doesn't sound like a clever idea. however - citing self: 23:52 < Zatorg> "thing is, as i understand from very limited exposure to its code, bukkit / vanilla mc (bukkit uses vanilla code in that part i think) already updates only the chunks that were changed since last write." 23:52 < edk> I'm not sure how that helps you 23:52 < Zatorg> can anybody bother to succintly explain to me how MC server saves mapdata to disk? 23:52 < jast> what I'd care about most for map backups is incremental backups 23:53 < jast> so, that helps exactly not at all 23:53 < Zatorg> jast: well then you rely on you having all the previous diffs no? 23:53 < edk> if you have a brain, you take a full backup every now and then 23:53 < Zatorg> (which of course makes sense) 23:53 < Zatorg> ofc 23:53 < edk> you can also diff backwards from now instead of forwards from the beginning of time 23:54 < jast> yeah, like rdiff-backup does 23:54 < jast> oh fuck me 23:54 < Zatorg> ok, i'm new. damn it, i should know that.. 23:54 < jast> the notebook's battery charger has, once again, decided to discharge the battery instead of charging it 23:55 < edk> that sounds less than ideal 23:55 < edk> and by "less than ideal" i mean really shitty 23:56 < jast> at least this time I noticed before it died 23:56 < jast> okay, still deciding to discharge after I removed the charger for a moment 23:57 < edk> your notebook's power management doesn't sound like the brightest of sparks 23:58 < jast> my 23:58 < jast> (gah) 23:58 < jast> my money is on "hardware is getting senile" --- Day changed ven. mars 01 2013 00:00 < jast> well screw that 00:00 < jast> good night 00:00 < Zatorg> dmesg | tail might have something to tell you no? maybe not.. 00:00 < Zatorg> nn 00:01 < jast> no, ACPI thinks it's charging 00:01 < Zatorg> oh well then, yes, maybe senile :) 00:01 < jast> I'm fairly sure it's a defect in the battery itself 00:01 -!- Thinkofdeath is now known as Thinkofdeath_off 00:01 < jast> I just just chuck this piece of junk and get something new, I suppose 00:01 < jast> ... and now I'm actually leaving. :) 00:02 < edk> bye 00:03 < TkTech> Gregor: Funny enough, you'd know if you read the logs. 00:03 < TkTech> Gregor: That's up there as a disclaimer due to freenode policies to notify of any logging. 00:04 < TkTech> Gregor: It's a beta feature of the Not-001 bot not yet available to the public. 00:05 < TkTech> Zatorg: Neat, thanks for that paper link. Always interested in academia + minecraft 00:05 < edk> there are probably like a million people with private logs anyway, I don't really see why it's such a big deal 00:05 < Zatorg> (something something dead horse) i'd simply be interested to utilize the fact that MC might already know which chunks need saving - so a backup system could e.g. only save changed chunks since last save.. but might be a dangerous way to do it like that 00:05 < Zatorg> indeed TkTech :) 00:05 < edk> and by "like a million" I mean not really anything like that amount 00:05 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:05 < edk> Zatorg, you'd have to get pretty deep in minecraft's guts to do that, I think 00:05 < edk> bukkit doesn't expose the needed API 00:05 < TkTech> dx: It's reported 205 wiki changes over 3 months 00:06 < Zatorg> i think i got the part where it does that edk 00:06 < Zatorg> bukkit seems to use native code in that part 00:06 < 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for the URL" 00:49 < Kyle> Usually, if the channel isn't +s, I assume someone is publically logging 00:49 < Kyle> even then, someone is privately logging, 00:49 < Gregor> Well, everyone logs privately *shrugs* 00:49 < Kyle> It's really no difference, because I'll post sniplets of logs on demand :p 00:50 < Gregor> Yup. 00:50 < Gregor> I have a public logbot that I got VISCERAL complaints for bringing into a channel (with the chanop's permission!) once >_O 00:50 < Kyle> heh 00:51 < Gregor> I've vowed to publish my private logs as a nice "eff you" once it's a few years in. 01:02 < TkTech> Kyle: Doesn't matter what you assume, freenode rules are freenode rules :) 01:03 < TkTech> (And we are a registered freenode group) 01:05 < Kyle> TkTech: they arent rules 01:05 < Kyle> that specific part is a guideline 01:05 < Kyle> recommended 01:12 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:76e5:bff:fe22:870a] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13 -!- xy-cloud 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their website) is 300GB + 147.58GB 03:27 < TkTech> Right. Hence, "Usage notifications and alerts sent over the last three months: NONE" 03:27 < TkTech> And why I'm going to ream them out when I get home. 03:28 < TkTech> Er, MB, ovbviously. 04:01 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: lol wut 04:04 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: Welcome to Canada 04:11 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: insane.. 04:18 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@82.19.50.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:24 -!- bobness [~silver@c-71-236-226-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:16 -!- bobness [~silver@c-71-236-226-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 05:25 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:42 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:04 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 06:09 -!- clonejo is now known as clonejo|offline 06:40 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 06:42 -!- md_5 [md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] 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AlphaBlend> you tell me 09:03 < dx> huh 09:03 < dx> one of the proxies linked from the wiki has this feature: "onlineModeExceptions - in online mode, this is usernames which are not checked" 09:03 < dx> i wonder if the #mcdevs admins would prefer to have that kind of proxies 'censored' 09:05 < nickelpro> Why? 09:06 < SinZ> this is an open source of information, having the ability to turn online mode off is part of the protocol, on the event of login.minecraft.net and/or session.minecraft.net being down 09:06 < dx> this is a selective way to turn online mode 09:07 < dx> it's only used to allow piracy 09:07 < nickelpro> Or to allow bots through 09:07 < nickelpro> The far more common option 09:08 < SinZ> dx: its built into the vannila server 09:08 < SinZ> mostly 09:08 < SinZ> but allowing bots through is a *really* nice thing to have 09:08 < SinZ> or aliases 09:08 < dx> yeah, gotta agree 09:08 < SinZ> though aliases can be controlled ingame 09:09 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:09 < dx> it's just that every other proxy/plugin/mod that implemented that feature got censored in the past from forums like the bukkit ones 09:10 < nickelpro> Good thing we're not bukkit 09:10 < dx> lol 09:10 < nickelpro> Unless you're going to buy an account for every bot running on a server 09:10 < nickelpro> you need a feature to allow the bots through 09:11 < dx> yeah, i wasn't considering bots 09:11 < nickelpro> It's a legitimate use case, no reason to disallow information on it 09:11 < nickelpro> just because it can also be used for piracy 09:11 < dx> when i said that i was thinking "what's the point other than that?" 09:11 < dx> so don't mind me. 09:13 < dx> out of curiosity, what do people use bots for nowadays? i've worked in one in the past, but found that server side mods to spawn NPCs were a cleaner solution 09:13 < nickelpro> When you don't control the server 09:14 < SinZ> or when you don't have the ability to modify the server on the fly 09:14 < dx> but just as a player, what can you do that's useful? 09:14 < nickelpro> Tons of stuff, the Civcraft team is doing some really cool stuff 09:15 < nickelpro> The built an entire ingame economy using nothing but bots 09:22 < SinZ> dx: theres always chat commands 09:23 < SinZ> and the fun in making the bots 09:25 < dx> heh 09:26 < dx> yeah.. chat commands was pretty much all my bot managed to do 09:26 < SinZ> could also have it as a player detector for a door 09:27 < SinZ> put some redstone in, so the bot can toggle a lever when a player is within 5 blocks of the door 09:27 < SinZ> and could implement white/blacklists to the door 09:27 < dx> it was mostly useless stuff, there was one that showed a list of 'online' players (i think /list didn't exist back then), but it showed only nearby player entities 09:27 < dx> SinZ: hmm, interesting 09:28 < dx> but really impractical if you own the server 09:28 < dx> the idea of the extra cpu 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< shoghicp> "making" => writing the source code? 19:23 < ellisvlad> yes :P 19:23 < shoghicp> :D 19:23 < ellisvlad> I'm not some noob who is "making" a minecraft server using the default software or bukkit :P 19:24 < ellisvlad> I am rewriting everything :D :S 19:24 < ellisvlad> and now I have hit a problem... 19:24 < shoghicp> http://www.wiki.vg/Server_List 19:25 < shoghicp> I've done a MC client 19:25 < ellisvlad> Yup, I've been on all the sites :P 19:25 < shoghicp> and now I'm doing a MCPE server 19:25 < ellisvlad> read up on everything...yet I can;t fix my problem :/ 19:26 < ellisvlad> I do have a nice and bulky feature and plans list which I won't bore you with just yet... you might be able to help me though? :D 19:29 < ellisvlad> Ok so, this is the problem... 19:29 < ellisvlad> I am not too far into development, I have the server pingable and connectable. 19:30 < ellisvlad> when you connect to the server, it authenticates and enables encryption 19:30 < ellisvlad> then the player is spawned and the general settings are sent 19:30 < ellisvlad> However 19:31 < ellisvlad> I am really confused on how to send the chunks to the client 19:41 < shoghicp> sec 19:41 < shoghicp> I was out 19:41 < shoghicp> I'm going to read everything 19:41 < ellisvlad> ;) ok :P 19:42 < shoghicp> you've to use the 0x38 packet 19:43 < ellisvlad> hmm, if I use 0x33, will that do nothing? 19:43 < shoghicp> yeah, also 0x33 19:43 < ellisvlad> I will try 0x38, nad come back in 5 mins if that fails ;) 19:44 < ellisvlad> thanks 19:44 < shoghicp> small block changes and explosions use other packets 19:44 < ellisvlad> ...well I will come back if it works too, but still ;) 19:44 < shoghicp> (after you've sent that part of the map) 19:44 < shoghicp> ok! 19:44 < ellisvlad> ...I will just stay here 19:45 < shoghicp> ping me 19:57 < ellisvlad> ok.. :P 19:57 < shoghicp> nah 19:57 < shoghicp> I saw it 19:57 < shoghicp> sometimes I change tabs 19:59 < ellisvlad> Hmm 20:00 < ellisvlad> I don't think I am 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I'm working with the MCP and can't figure out how to actually send a packet to the server the player is connected to... anyone able to point me in the right direction? 23:26 -!- unknown45682 [~unknown45@unaffiliated/unknown45682] has joined #mcdevs 23:27 < Krenair> player.sendQueue.addToSendQueue(packet); 23:28 -!- unknown45682 [~unknown45@unaffiliated/unknown45682] has left #mcdevs [] 23:29 < mobers> alright, that solves that; do you know how I can form a packet as well? 23:39 < mobers> there are a lot of Packet classes (e.g. Packet18Animate, etc); should I be using those? 23:41 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:45 < Krenair> mobers, what do you want to send? 23:45 < mobers> let's say, for example, i want to tell the server that the client is crouching, or breaking a block 23:46 < mobers> I don't know where to start forming those packets in java 23:51 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 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the rules) 13:04 < edk> for a second there I thought you were talking about the privilege to give out bans 13:04 < dx> heh 13:04 < dx> yeah, people rarely talk about the privilege of being banned 13:04 < Deaygo> What about the privilege of banning? :D 13:05 < edk> when you think about it it's quite an achievement to continuously upset so many people Tk bans you 13:05 < dx> edk: that's exactly my point! 13:07 < dx> anyway, i said that threats aren't needed, so 13:07 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:07 < dx> GOD DAMMIT 13:07 < edk> what we can take away from this is that bots have shitty internet connections 13:07 < dx> lol 13:08 < jast> and use web interfaces? 13:08 < dx> he timeouted the exact moment i was going to write the message telling him politely to stop 13:08 < edk> I didn't look at his userhost 13:10 < dx> so, basically the only activity we've had today is complaining about someone who sends pointless messages that aren't relevant to the channel 13:11 < dx> i can't think of anything minecraft-related to talk about right now, but i just remembered i had to tell someone that there's a critical flaw in the irc rules page 13:11 < dx> http://mcdevs.org/irc/rules <-- first paragraph says 'exeception' 13:12 < edk> exeception 13:12 < edk> that was such a critical error I didn't notice it until I looked again 13:13 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13 < dx> it's such a critical error that it uses stealth techniques to stay in the page as long as possible 13:13 -!- feepbot [~feepbot@79.207.126.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 13:19 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.38.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@217.122.85.22] has joined #mcdevs 13:36 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 13:48 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just looks for the DNS SRV record before a standard dns query 05:58 < umby24> but iirc a srv record can include a port as well as an ip 05:59 < umby24> or even a different ip than a standard dns lookup 05:59 < lahwran> ok 05:59 < umby24> that way you don't have to pass your users a port, they just put in the ip. 05:59 < lahwran> how do I determine the port from a SRV lookup 06:01 < umby24> hm.. you could use nslookup to return it 06:02 < lahwran> I'm in python, twisted; sounds like what you're saying is "it's just a normal SRV record" 06:02 < lahwran> I don't know dns 06:02 < lahwran> so I don't know what's what, if you're saying it's normal I can just google for it 06:03 < umby24> im unfamiliar with looking it up programically, sorry 06:05 < lahwran> ok, thanks 06:06 < umby24> if you can get output from another program, nslookup -type=SRV [domain] 06:07 < umby24> though i am having issue with my test domain, as it appears they put it behind cloudflare :D 07:06 -!- xy-cloud 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You dont have the client 12:39 <+md_5> unless you pirated 12:39 <+md_5> in which case gtfo 12:40 < pbunny> md_5: a guy tries and gets crash 12:40 <+md_5> you are gonna have fun writing a server without owning the client 12:40 <+md_5> seriously, how the f** did you get this far 12:40 < edk> md_5, by lying 12:40 < pbunny> md_5: http://dpaste.org/IbgPM/raw/ 12:40 < pbunny> edk: no. 12:41 < pbunny> md_5: as you see, client actually lists 'Pig' entity in crash dump 12:41 < pbunny> so it parsed it 12:41 < pbunny> why did it crashed? 12:51 < Grum> because it got a NPE 12:53 -!- act4 [1f073cdc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.7.60.220] has joined #mcdevs 12:55 < pbunny> Grum: NPE? 12:55 < Grum> NullPointerException 12:55 < edk> (like it says in the error report) 12:55 < pbunny> yeah, and NullPointerException can mean anything 12:55 < pbunny> java sucks totally 12:56 < Grum> not really, you just used a nullpointer :p 12:56 < pbunny> if i don't send 0x18 packet, client does not crash 12:56 < pbunny> Grum: its a native client 12:56 < pbunny> i just sent 0x18 to it 12:56 < Grum> i guess you have to send more 12:56 < Grum> or with proper information 12:58 < pbunny> well it is correct according to http://wiki.vg/Protocol 12:58 < Grum> but the question remains, is THAT correct 12:59 < pbunny> i didn't sent Entity (0x1E) though 12:59 < pbunny> i haven't need it for item entities 12:59 < edk> java does kinda suck 13:00 < Grum> every language sucks 13:00 < edk> yep 13:00 < edk> in their own way, most things are shit 13:00 < pbunny> and is it safe to send 127 in metadata for any mob? 13:00 < edk> the reason java annoys me particularly is it tries to be all not crashy and predictable and compile time and type safe 13:00 < Grum> try and figure out pbunny :D 13:00 < pbunny> still waiting for him to try 13:01 < Grum> edk: erm 'not crashy' and 'predictable' and 'typesafe' are bad? O.o 13:01 < edk> oh, they would be if it worked 13:01 < edk> wouldn't be* 13:01 < edk> I mean, yes, it's type safe 13:01 < edk> but it doesn't make it crash any less, or need less testing 13:01 < edk> so I don't see the point 13:01 < Grum> euuh 13:02 < Grum> *ALL* code needs testing 13:02 < edk> right 13:02 < Grum> no matter what language 13:02 < edk> I agree 13:02 < edk> but that makes me ask the question "why bother having a pessimistic language if you have to test it anyway?" 13:02 < pbunny> 'typesafe' is ridiculous 13:02 < edk> you're ridiculous 13:02 < Grum> euuh wtf? 13:02 < pbunny> in C i can set any pointer to anything 13:03 < edk> I quite like type safety 13:03 < pbunny> no matter the type 13:03 < Grum> awesome nonsense arguments >.> 13:03 < edk> I just don't like the attitude in java 13:03 < Grum> which attitude in java? 13:03 < pbunny> 'predictable' is also BS as it depends on programmer's skill 13:03 < edk> It's hard to pin down. I feel like java has this idea that by making you type a type name enough times, it somehow becomes harder for things to crash 13:03 < pbunny> java is not more 'predictable', java is more 'predictable for noobs' 13:03 < Grum> erm what? 13:04 < Grum> you use an IDE right? 13:04 < Grum> i dont see any problems 13:04 < pbunny> no. 13:04 < pbunny> i use nano 13:04 < edk> yeah, but you're insane 13:04 < Grum> i mean, you wouldnt code java without an ide, if not ... well ..... stop being so daft 13:04 < pbunny> i never code java 13:04 < edk> this is what I don't get 13:04 < Zachoz> Then how can you say it's shit? 13:04 < edk> my complaints about Java may be unreasonable and unfair, but at least I used it before making assertions about it :P 13:05 < Grum> edk: next you are going to argue that a variable named of a single letter is 'much better' than one that describes the meaning properly 13:05 < edk> not so 13:05 < pbunny> edk: i tried to use it 13:05 < edk> but the java way where there's millions of casts everywhere... ugh 13:05 < Grum> erm there is not a single cast anywhere 13:05 < pbunny> when it attempted to javize my brain i threw it away 13:05 < edk> maybe that's a problem with the way specific people write java 13:05 < pbunny> there is actually 'brain java' disease 13:05 < Grum> i've just written ~300 lines of code without having to cast anything 13:05 < pbunny> people start to think like in java, with object and stuff 13:05 < Grum> i think you just suck at writing clean code :) 13:06 < edk> I write plenty of java without many casts in it 13:06 < Grum> or do not understand some of the basic concepts 13:06 < edk> but I see a lot of java that does have them in 13:06 < edk> while we're on the subject of things I don't like about java, fucking generics 13:06 < edk> grrrrr 13:06 < Grum> there are some points where you need casting; not so many 13:06 < pbunny> java is about using 50Mb of RAM for player structure 13:06 < edk> it's not about that 13:06 < Grum> pbunny: its not? 13:06 < pbunny> Grum: official server uses about that 13:07 < pbunny> that's why no 1000+ online server yet 13:07 < edk> one wonders how you worked this out 13:07 < pbunny> not even 100+ online iirc 13:07 < Grum> just for the player structure?.... not really 13:07 < edk> and why you insist on using b for bytes 13:07 < Grum> pbunny: no that is not at all the reason 13:07 < pbunny> edk: because theres also MiB abbrevuature 13:07 < Zachoz> "pbunny: not even 100+ online iirc".. Are you kidding...? 13:07 < pbunny> and nobody needs to concern about bits for at least 20 years 13:07 < edk> however Mb is clearly megabits 13:07 < edk> ... 13:07 < edk> you're retarded 13:07 < pbunny> Zachoz: is there 100+ online server anywhere? 13:08 < pbunny> i mean - a server, not collection of servers 13:08 < edk> fuck yes there are 13:08 < Grum> stop whining about how you captitalize the units god 13:08 < Zachoz> Yes... There's quite a few, actually. 13:08 < Grum> he said 1000+ 13:08 < edk> Grum, it's a different fucking unit 13:08 < pbunny> hmh 13:08 < edk> no he didn't 13:08 < Grum> LEARN TO READ Zachoz 13:08 < edk> not even 100+ online iirc 13:08 < Zachoz> ^ 13:08 < edk> b and B are not the same thing 13:08 < edk> if it were almost any other letter I wouldn't give a shit 13:08 < Grum> edk: its not, if you mean megabit just fucking type mbit not mb Mb MB mB ... 13:09 < Grum> are you really saying that you ONLY read 'mb' as millibit or millibar? 13:09 < edk> you know what? take that up with SI, not me 13:09 < edk> no, but Mb and MB are equally valid as units of data 13:10 < edk> just one's 8 times the size of the other 13:10 < edk> and I use both units fairly frequently at work 13:10 < Grum> not really; Mega bar is not really a useful measuring tool 13:10 < edk> megabit and megabyte 13:10 < Grum> right lets just stop whining about the capitalization of a letter kk? 13:10 <+Fador> ...you really measure memory usage in bits? 13:11 < edk> who said I measure memory usage in them? 13:11 < Grum> edk: god .... 13:11 < Grum> its just fador who thinks he can be super funny >.> 13:11 < edk> i'm quite happy to stop arguing about it 13:12 < edk> i just get caught up in arguments and then don't want to "lose" 13:12 < Grum> anyhow, pbunny, i'd like to see your 'proof' for the player-structure taking 50mbit/mb 13:12 < edk> i know that's silly 13:12 < edk> yeah, I'm unconvinced by that 13:12 < Grum> i know it is not true 13:12 < Grum> so feel free to prove it otherwise 13:12 < edk> still, a rewritten server would go faster 13:12 < Grum> faster what? 13:12 < edk> but it would go faster if it were rewritten in java, too 13:12 < edk> faster than the current one 13:13 < Grum> define faster 13:13 < edk> *sigh* 13:13 < pbunny> edk: not quite 13:13 < Grum> yes, be fucking specific for once 13:13 < edk> well, let's settle for "take fewer CPU cycles per tick" 13:13 < pbunny> you can't just code something fast in java 13:13 < Grum> faster what? logging in? higher tps? faster ping times? 13:13 < Grum> pbunny: false statement 13:13 < pbunny> because i.e. when you do a=2+5 java actually executes about 500 CPU instructions 13:13 < edk> logging in bottleneck isn't the server, as far as I know, it's doing the authentication dance 13:14 < Grum> pbunny: really? 13:14 < edk> pbunny, consider reading about some of the optimizations the JVM has enjoyed since being invented 13:14 < pbunny> edk: still it uses more than 10 instructions for addition 13:14 < pbunny> i.e. bounds checking 13:14 < Grum> that would mean it is at least 125 slower than ANYTHING out there 13:14 < pbunny> and don't forget about garbage collector! 13:14 < edk> garbage collection is a real weakness of java 13:14 < pbunny> it just stops everything and does its dirty work 13:14 < Grum> which would mean a client not running java but c would have 2500 fps on my machine? 13:14 < edk> however, it's better than a few alternatives 13:14 < Grum> and AT MINIMUM 125fps on ANY machine? 13:15 < edk> Grum, well, unless the bottleneck is the gpu 13:15 < edk> anyway, GC is a pain in the ass, and it is a problem 13:15 < Grum> pbunny: it stops everything? seriously? >.> 13:15 < pbunny> Grum: yeah. it can't check memory during its changing 13:15 < edk> but if the alternative is your horrible C that leaks allocated storage everywhere... 13:15 < pbunny> edk: my C leaks nothing 13:15 < edk> I'll believe that when I see it 13:16 < Grum> then again, you do not have a server written 13:16 < pbunny> and it uses abotu 80Mb for everything 13:16 < Alan> oh boy 13:16 < pbunny> Grum: partially written 13:16 < Grum> without anyone online? 13:16 < Grum> epic 13:16 < Grum> that is even worse than the official server >.> 13:16 < Alan> what a fun channel this is 13:16 < pbunny> Grum: it uses about 300 bytes per player online 13:16 < Grum> pbunny: then its not a minecraft server 13:16 < pbunny> ... 13:16 < Alan> half a proof-of-concept that isn't feature complete isn't really comparable... 13:17 < Grum> because it is 100% impossible to have that little memory usage for an online player *AND* actually have a proper minecraft server 13:17 < edk> well 13:17 < Grum> s/proper/featureful/ 13:17 < Grum> s/featureful/feature complete/ 13:17 < Grum> lets be more exact :) 13:17 < pbunny> Fador: can you please show me code that sends 0x18 (Spawn Mob) packet? 13:18 < edk> I'm trying to think about what you actually need to store for a player 13:18 < pbunny> Grum: why? 13:18 < pbunny> Grum: i store player's location, inventory, network stuff 13:18 < Grum> pbunny: because each player has to have at least 19*16x19*16x256 blocks loaded around itself 13:18 < pbunny> LOL 13:18 < edk> I think he's discounting that 13:18 < Grum> i know he is 13:18 < pbunny> now that's a java thinking 13:18 < edk> you can have single inventory items that take more than 300B though 13:18 < Grum> pbunny: no its not 13:18 < edk> pbunny, that's stupid 13:18 < pbunny> Grum: why the hell should i store the map in player's structure???? 13:19 < edk> that's just someone interpreting the question different from you 13:19 < Grum> pbunny: quote me where i say that you store that IN the player structure? 13:19 < pbunny> Grum: if 1000 players will be standing on the same place - i must store the map around them 1000 times? 13:19 < pbunny> oh god why 13:19 <+Fador> pbunny: https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/include/protocol.h#L111 13:19 < Grum> quote me. 13:19 < Grum> because you are just making shit up 13:20 < edk> I wouldn't bother waiting for that quote :P 13:20 < pbunny> 13:37:23 Grum | pbunny: because each player has to have at least 19*16x19*16x256 blocks loaded around itself 13:20 < Grum> i'm saying it should be loaded, not saying WHERE it should be stored/loaded 13:20 < edk> pbunny, although a couple of the problems you have listed in java are actually real problems 13:20 < Grum> yes, loaded around itself, i'm not saying anything about WHERE to store that 13:20 < edk> you seem to completely misunderstand their significance and when they apply 13:20 < edk> so I'm inclined to say you don't actually know anything about java at all 13:20 < pbunny> Grum: why would server keep a copy of map that he loaded? 13:20 < pbunny> why would it take memory on server? 13:20 < Grum> because that is what a feature complete minecraft server does 13:20 < Grum> but you'll figure that out when you grow up 13:20 < pbunny> storing a map for every player? 13:20 <+Fador> pbunny: metadata should be just (int8_t)127 if no metadata is present 13:20 < Grum> no .... 13:21 < Grum> loading the world-data around players in memory 13:21 < pbunny> Fador: well i send 127 13:21 < edk> I have to go 13:21 < edk> have fun 13:21 < edk> pbunny, try not to hurt your brain 13:22 < Grum> pbunny: you do far too many assumptions 13:22 < pbunny> Fador: << (int8_t)0 << (int8_t)0 << metadata; 13:22 < Grum> but you'll find out soon enough why its not trivial to be a feature complete minecraft server 13:22 < pbunny> what are these 2 zeros there? o.O 13:22 < Grum> *AND* be fast 13:22 < pbunny> Grum: map is already loaded on server... 13:22 < pbunny> it is always kept there loaded...... 13:22 < Grum> the whole map? 13:22 < pbunny> yeah 13:22 < Grum> lol ... 13:22 <+Fador> pbunny: not sure..it might still be using some older protocol version because I haven't updated everything =/ 13:23 < Grum> you do realize that people have a 1.5gb map very often? 13:23 < pbunny> Fador: i will try these zeros 13:23 < Grum> or even far far bigger 13:23 < pbunny> Grum: do you realize my server has 8Gb of RAM? 13:23 < pbunny> and it will have 256Gb 13:23 < Grum> >.> 13:23 < pbunny> 256Gb is quite enough for everything 13:23 < jast> Grum: we've done all this before 13:23 < Grum> will be nice startup times then for you lol :p 13:23 < pbunny> Grum: nice performance on other hand 13:23 < jast> if you're not in it for the entertainment, you can't back out too early 13:23 < Grum> loading the whole world into ram, epic startup wait >.> 13:24 < pbunny> Grum: so? 13:24 < pbunny> good performance after it for everything 13:24 < Grum> pbunny: yeah because waiting 20 minutes before your whole world is loaded is worth it >.> 13:24 < pbunny> and world will be a true world, not 'combined singleplayer' 13:24 < Grum> what? 13:24 < pbunny> mobs will be independent etc 13:24 < Grum> that makes no sense at all 13:24 < pbunny> think about it some more then 13:24 < Grum> 'true world', 'combined singleplayer' 13:24 < Grum> those terms mean nothing 13:25 < jast> he's explained it before 13:25 < pbunny> yeah, currently mc servers offer 'combined singleplayer' 13:25 < pbunny> no players -> nothing happens 13:25 < Grum> what? O.o 13:25 < Grum> euuh 13:25 < pbunny> world is saved and stopped 13:25 < Grum> no stuff happens in the areas of the world that is loaded 13:25 < pbunny> until player comes 13:25 < jast> the idea is, apparently, that supposedly it's 5000% better if the world still updates everywhere even when nobody is near (or even logged in) 13:25 < Grum> lol 13:25 < Grum> LOL 13:25 < jast> yes 13:25 < jast> exactly 13:25 < Grum> good luck running out of cpu on the best of machines 13:25 < pbunny> jast: yes, it allows for better realism 13:25 < Grum> there is a good reason we unload parts of the world 13:26 < jast> Grum: oh, but what you don't know is that pbunny is a self-certified genius and master of C 13:26 < pbunny> Grum: CPU usage is about 1% for processing world and physics for 1000 entities 13:26 < Grum> only 1000 yes 13:26 < Grum> but entities would keep spawning 13:26 < pbunny> and its when running via valgrind compiled with debug 13:26 < jast> so for 100000 entities it's 100% :) 13:26 < Grum> because the world is loaded 13:26 < pbunny> jast: if running via valgrind 13:26 < jast> yeah yeah 13:26 < jast> we haven't considered a bigger world yet 13:26 < Grum> so yeah, having a couple of million entities and dont forget all the other stuff the server has to do 13:26 < pbunny> Grum: sure, no problem 13:26 < Grum> really? 13:26 < Grum> and how fast do you think to finish this server? 13:26 < jast> if the surface of the world increases by a factor of 2, the RAM required increases by a factor of up to 512 13:27 < Grum> that 'has no problem' having thousands of people online while keeping any map that fits in memory loaded forever? 13:27 < jast> in short, web scale! 13:27 < Grum> because i'd like to see it :) 13:27 < Grum> oh, and obviously do *everything* the current minecraft does logicwise 13:27 < jast> you will, Real Soon Now(tm) 13:28 < jast> did we mention that pbunny does not have a minecraft client? 13:28 < Grum> oh also, how will it get to this size world? 13:28 < pbunny> jast: what do you mean by "surface of the world increases"? 13:28 < Grum> pbunny: people explore 13:28 < pbunny> what exactly increases by factor of 2? 13:28 < pbunny> Z size? X size? 13:28 < Grum> or do you plan to pre-gen a 60million*60million world? 13:28 < jast> surface area 13:28 < pbunny> Grum: no. 13:28 < Grum> so how do you plan to do worldgeneration? 13:28 < jast> surfaces are two-dimensional 13:28 < pbunny> Grum: i already done that 13:28 < Grum> did you also do the lighting of them? 13:28 -!- act4 [1f073cdc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.7.60.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29 < pbunny> just call the relevant function of needed world prior to using this chunk 13:29 < jast> oh please, lighting is for free! didn't you know? 13:29 < Grum> also i really wouldnt want to see this code in c 13:29 < Grum> i mean it must have locks all over the place :) 13:30 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 13:30 < Grum> beceause the only way you'll get remotely close to what you claim to achieve performance wise is to use every single core on a system 13:30 < Grum> and good fucking luck with the locking :) 13:30 < pbunny> Grum: http://dpaste.org/P7mog/ - here you go 13:31 < pbunny> common world loop, some physics stuff, handling of dumping entities to players 13:31 < Grum> and no threading 13:31 < Grum> i'd love to see your lighting code 13:31 < Grum> assuming it is feature complete and correct 13:31 < pbunny> no threading? 13:31 < jast> because it's so cheap, let's implement radiosity, too 13:31 < Grum> wait; there is threading 13:31 < Grum> nevermind :) 13:32 < Grum> the fact that 95% of the code is on the righthand side of my page kinda raises a huuuuuge red flag btw 13:34 < jast> hey, m*n loop on entities? awesome 13:34 < pbunny> Grum: http://dpaste.org/MQNyD/raw/ 13:34 < pbunny> boo! 13:34 < jast> and it's even symmetrical 13:34 < Grum> but i'm really curious how you did your block and skylighting calculations 13:35 < jast> oh, actually it's an m*n*p loop in some situations 13:35 < pbunny> Grum: search for "chunk_set_block" there 13:35 < pbunny> or chunk_set_field / chunk_set_hfield 13:35 < jast> i.e. one billion iterations for 1000 entities 13:35 < Grum> that doesn't set any light pbunny 13:35 < Grum> you just set the heightmap 13:35 < pbunny> jast: i will optimize that 13:36 < pbunny> split entities by quadrants 13:36 < pbunny> so only nearby ones will be concerned 13:36 < pbunny> Grum: i haven't implemented lighting yet, but you can set it with chunk_set_hfield 13:36 < Grum> pbunny: i'm missing the skylight and blocklight calculations 13:36 < jast> oh see, he just hasn't implemented it yet 13:36 < Grum> you cant just 'set' a light value without doing propagation 13:37 < jast> but of course we all know how easy it is to do that 13:37 < pbunny> jast: easier than making client not crash on pig entity packet receive 13:37 < pbunny> :| 13:37 < jast> if you say so 13:37 < Grum> also, all of your macros are broken, unless c++ automatically puts ()'s around your arguments :) 13:38 < pbunny> no. 13:38 < pbunny> ( ) are not required 13:38 < pbunny> go learn some C 13:38 < jast> well, they aren't if he happens to be using variable names whenever he passes stuff 13:38 < pbunny> right 13:38 < jast> if he doesn't... boom 13:38 < Grum> erm they are pbunny? if you define a macro as: foo(i) { return i*2; } you better make that return (i)*2 13:39 < pbunny> Grum: not quite 13:39 < jast> oh, but you never pass something more complex than 'foo' to macros. everyone knows that! 13:39 < Grum> because when you'd ever be passing in: 1+1 as argument for i 13:39 < jast> err, bad example word :) 13:39 < Grum> it expands to: return 1+1*2 ... which is NOT 2 :P 13:39 < pbunny> Grum: if i would need to pass 1+1, i will use ( ) 13:39 < jast> foo(1+1) == 3! yay! 13:39 < pbunny> don't worry about that 13:39 < Grum> pbunny: oooh wait; so when you use the macro with a composed argument you will remember to fix up your macro? 13:39 < jast> so you always have to remember which things you're calling are macros and which aren't. you must really hate yourself... 13:40 < pbunny> Grum: of course 13:40 < Grum> i mean, that is not at all a way that will give you unexpected bugs at any time 13:40 < pbunny> jast: everything are macros there 13:40 < pbunny> except for main() and thread functions 13:40 < jast> yeah, because you hate yourself, right 13:40 < pbunny> and some init functions that are called only once 13:40 < pbunny> jast: what is wrong with defines? 13:40 < jast> and because the inline keyword doesn't exist 13:40 < pbunny> i don't get it 13:40 < pbunny> jast: its not the same 13:41 < Grum> oh nothing; as long as you write them properly ;) 13:41 < jast> the code gets even less readable 13:41 < Grum> these arent really robust 13:41 < pbunny> jast: its 100% readable by me 13:41 < Grum> if this isnt robust .. that says quite some about the rest of the code 13:41 < pbunny> what do you mean by "not robust"? 13:41 < Grum> 'it breaks when you put shit in it depending on what you put in it' 13:41 < Grum> aka: fragile :P 13:41 < pbunny> Grum: this applies to any code 13:41 < pbunny> you shouldn't put shit there 13:42 < pbunny> well except for java which is shit itself 13:42 < Grum> erm 13:42 < pbunny> so it isn't suffering 13:42 < Grum> foo(1+1) is not 'shit' :) 13:42 < Grum> so tempting to find a bug in your code right now where you failed to put ()'s in your macro ;) 13:42 < Grum> but i dont think you have implemented enough to easily find one 13:43 < pbunny> Grum: i don't spawn bugs. 13:43 < Grum> actually, you do 13:43 < pbunny> and you are right, shitty developers spend 80% of their time to 'implement enough' to find bugs easier 13:44 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:44 < Grum> anyhow, pbunny, is this project of yours opensource? 13:44 < jast> nope 13:44 < jast> he's IP-paranoid and stuff 13:45 < pbunny> ip-paranoid? 13:45 < Grum> just let him answer jast gawd 13:45 < jast> whatever. have fun. 13:45 < pbunny> Grum: no, maybe in the future 13:45 < pbunny> do you want to participate? 13:46 < Grum> i'd like to see you solve some problems 13:46 < pbunny> what problems? 13:46 < Grum> lighting for example 13:47 < pbunny> don't see problem there 13:47 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 13:47 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 13:47 < pbunny> what seems hard for you? 13:47 < Grum> what do you consider lighting? 13:47 < pbunny> light and skylight portion of chunk 13:48 < Grum> right, so that code is easily to do efficiently? :) 13:48 < pbunny> depends on algorithm 13:48 < pbunny> and requirements 13:48 < Grum> the algorithm is: you are one lighter than your brightest neighbor; max 15; min 0; 13:49 < Grum> blocks can be lightsources of different strengths and allow light to pass through 13:49 < Stormx2> Grum, you can't win an argument with pbunny. He brings you down to his level then beats you with experience 13:49 < Grum> some blocks let light through but they diminish it with more than 1, like water 13:50 < pbunny> Grum: most probably i will create a special type of metaentity - lightsource 13:50 < Grum> so the furthest light will go from a single source is 15 blocks 13:50 < pbunny> and will iterate through them in entities loop 13:50 < pbunny> in world.c 13:50 < pbunny> they will update light around them if needed 13:50 < pbunny> or simply on every iteration 13:50 < Grum> but you will check every gametick if it is needed? 13:50 < Grum> for all lights? 13:50 < Grum> for a single floating torch you'll end up checking ~4k blocks around it 13:50 < pbunny> Grum: don't see any problems of updating ~30 bytes per entity per tick 13:51 < pbunny> why 4k blocks? 13:51 < Grum> because that is how far the light shines? 13:51 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@174-25-126-72.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 13:52 < pbunny> well implement some tracking of light changes 13:52 < pbunny> so light will be updated only when needed 13:52 < pbunny> i.e. when torch is placed 13:52 < Stormx2> How do you track which block actions affect which lights? 13:52 < Stormx2> e.g. a piston moving a block 13:52 < Grum> pbunny: block placement, block breaking indeed 13:53 < Grum> or rather, on delta-block :) 13:53 < pbunny> Stormx2: any block movement inside light-change-trackable area will trigger light update 13:53 < Grum> but that is not really the issue 13:53 < pbunny> block change * 13:53 < pbunny> i don't see a problem 13:53 < Grum> the issue is the sheer volume of blocks you have to calculate the lighting for 13:54 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54 -!- Justasic2 is now known as Justasic 13:54 < Grum> and because light *can* decay with more than 1 you are limited in the amounts of shortcuts you can take 13:54 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@174-25-126-72.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:54 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 13:54 < Grum> but please do, i'm really interested if you find a good & fast way 13:56 < pbunny> i don't see the problem... 13:56 < pbunny> it's like 200 bytes write (at most) for light update 13:56 < pbunny> maybe 400 bytes read 13:56 < Stormx2> pbunny, the issue isn't the number of bytes you're writing... 13:56 < pbunny> RAM can handle that 13:57 -!- zz_dav1d [dav1d@static.82.162.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: nothing to see] 13:58 -!- dav1d [dav1d@unaffiliated/dav1d] has joined #mcdevs 14:03 < pbunny> Stormx2: what is the issue? 14:05 < pbunny> can somebody join trolls.lv:1337 and test the freaking pig? 14:07 < pbunny> can client crash if pig entity is (theoretically possible) inside block? 14:37 < Stormx2> no 14:38 < pbunny> what can be the problem then 14:38 < Stormx2> pbunny, the issue is cpu cycles as lighting is O(a^n) 14:39 < pbunny> so what 14:39 < pbunny> lightning won't change every tick 14:39 < pbunny> lighting * 14:39 < Stormx2> so an implementation written by people who understand what big-O is is slow 14:40 < jast> have fun at dusk and dawn, then 14:40 < pbunny> dusk and dawn doesn't happen every tick 14:40 < Stormx2> jast, that's client-side 14:40 < Stormx2> the lighting changes anyway 14:40 < pbunny> oh? 14:40 < Stormx2> server still sends the same skylight 14:41 < Stormx2> yeah, it does it based on time irrc 14:41 < jast> right. magic. 14:41 < jast> but still you'd have to recalculate light 14:41 < jast> after all you need to figure out the correct light level for places that used to be lit by sun and now aren't 14:42 < jast> I suppose you could cheat and do it just once 14:42 < dav1d> meh I am bored 14:42 < jast> (per dusk and per dawn) 14:42 < dav1d> sitiing at university "learnling" java -.- 14:42 < jast> dav1d: feel free to join in yet another iteration of this pointless discussion 14:42 < Stormx2> not true. the client treats blocklight and skylight separately. The *actual* skylight it computes is a product of the skylight sent in chunks, and the time-of-day 14:42 < Stormx2> i.e. you don't need to do any new light calculations for night-time 14:42 < dav1d> atm Hello World, line for line explanation 14:43 < dav1d> jast: light calculations? 14:43 < jast> so the server doesn't have to decide where it can and can't spawn mobs? 14:43 < jast> dav1d: that's just a sub-topic 14:43 < Stormx2> Oh, shit. 14:43 < dav1d> if you come up with a good and fast way, let me know, gotta implement it for BraLa some day 14:43 < Stormx2> Hm. 14:43 < dav1d> ah ok 14:43 < jast> the overarching story is a certain person's super server that does everything 14:43 < Stormx2> I'm sure I recall someone telling me it moved client-side but perhaps I'm wrong 14:43 < dav1d> and they use a mac at university -.- 14:43 < dav1d> they should know better 14:44 < jast> well, I suppose there's no point in sending the dusk/dawn-related light updates to the clients, but you still have to calculate it on the server 14:45 < pbunny> jast: my server won't "spawn" mobs 14:45 < pbunny> mobs will reproduce 14:46 < jast> I know, I know 14:46 < jast> but you still need to know about lighting if you want to, say, determine correct growth for plants 14:46 < pbunny> i.e. pigs will infest players with larvae which after some time will kill player and several new pigs will be born 14:46 < jast> oh, just like in real life 14:46 < pbunny> yeah 14:47 < pbunny> plants will eat players and other mobs and grow after that 14:47 < pbunny> they will need nutrients 14:48 < jast> I can see it now... a patch of high grass chasing and eating players 14:49 < pbunny> no, they won't move 14:49 < pbunny> but they can digest anything that will step on them, slowly 14:51 < pbunny> i will need light calculations for UFO appearing 14:51 < dx> god dammit guys 14:51 < dx> you talk too much 14:52 < pbunny> btw, is it possible to surrond some mob with darkness (set all light to 0)? how will he look like? 14:52 < dx> and the worst part is that i was going to grab popcorn to continue reading, but then you went on to say 'java is shit'. nobody cares if java is shit. 14:52 < pbunny> dx: but there are many that need to be told the truth 14:52 < pbunny> i.e. dav1d 14:53 < dx> i don't know what you're talking about but i've already saved my popcorn in the fridge for another day 14:53 < dav1d> pbunny: mh? 14:53 < dav1d> didn't follow the conversation 14:54 < dav1d> pbunny: what? 14:54 < dav1d> is it my fault that I have tests in java to finish university? 14:56 < dx> ha 14:57 < dx> yeah, dav1d joined in the middle of this, only mentioned the university thing, and then pbunny attacks him randomly for having mentioned java. lol. 14:57 < dx> okay, okay, i'll grab the popcorn again and continue reading this conversation from the beginning 14:57 < dx> but it better be good! 14:58 < pbunny> dav1d: this is your fault that you attend useless timewaste 14:58 < dav1d> haha 14:58 < dav1d> what a funny guy 14:58 < pbunny> its just a business of making money from parents that are 100% sure educations is needed now as it was 50 years ago 14:58 < dx> dav1d: i agree! 14:59 < dav1d> dx: thanks 15:00 < pbunny> education now serves 2 things 15:01 < pbunny> first, its a business. a bunch of 'professors' earn money by wasting time of students that aren't aware that they can just google all they need like 100 times faster 15:02 < pbunny> second, its a government structures for brainwashing the youth of society 15:02 < pbunny> i.e. they enforce m$ products and position linux to students like some exotic stuff 15:02 < dav1d> wrong 15:03 < dav1d> university pcs run linux, profs use all OS mixed 15:03 < pbunny> so students will use m$ products and can be controlled by the system via microsoft 15:03 < dx> meh 15:03 < pbunny> dav1d: there are exceptions 15:03 < pbunny> 90% of univercities position m$ as primary OS simply because m$ 'sponsors' them 15:03 < pbunny> also they teach C#, ASP.NET and other ridiculous bs 15:04 < dx> we already know you never had formal studies, pbunny, it was obvious from the beginning 15:04 < pbunny> i had until i left 15:04 <+sadimusi> by choice? :D 15:04 < pbunny> yeah 15:04 < pbunny> sadimusi: i noticed they try to brainwash me 15:04 < pbunny> it was too dangerous to stay 15:05 < dx> maybe brainwashing isn't always a bad thing after all 15:05 < pbunny> they only reason i went there at all was because of parents persuaded me 15:05 < dav1d> nope, no c# 15:05 < pbunny> as always happens 15:05 < dav1d> racket and java 15:05 < pbunny> dx: it is bad for mental freedom, obviously 15:05 < pbunny> and for individuality 15:05 <+sadimusi> how so? 15:06 < dav1d> bbl going home 15:06 < dx> some people make you consider that mental freedom leads to awful results 15:06 < pbunny> what people? 15:06 < dx> stupid people 15:06 < pbunny> only a very few people are totally free 15:06 -!- dav1d is now known as zz_dav1d 15:06 < pbunny> and they are at the top of all of this 15:07 <+Fador> they teach C++ at my university =) 15:07 < dx> haskell / C at mine 15:07 <+sadimusi> we can code in whatever language we choose, the examples are mostly in java 15:08 < pbunny> still i don't see how google is less efficient than sitting there for years 15:08 <+sadimusi> look at your code and you'll know 15:08 < pbunny> nothing wrong there :) 15:08 < dx> would you decide to google spontaneously "how to measure algorithmic complexity"? 15:08 < pbunny> it's just not what you are used to 15:08 < dx> because you don't seem to know what that is 15:09 < pbunny> dx: yes, if i will need to measure it 15:09 < dx> lol 15:09 < dx> that answer... 15:09 < dx> i'll take it as a "no" 15:09 < dx> since you'll never realize when you need it if you don't know it exists 15:10 < pbunny> because i'm fine without it 15:10 < pbunny> and it exists only to garbage the minds of students some more 15:10 < dx> lol 15:10 <+sadimusi> :D 15:10 < dx> computer science theory is garbage, got it 15:10 < pbunny> there are tons of principles, standards, etc that do nothing useful 15:10 < pbunny> abstractions... 15:10 < pbunny> dx: yeah, theory is garbage if it isn't specific 15:10 < dx> yep, that seems to match the way you code perfectly 15:10 < dx> i do believe you're being honest 15:10 < pbunny> well my code works and is efficient 15:11 < pbunny> i don't need to know freaking hundreds of 'theories' to code well 15:11 < Stormx2> Can someone please ban this turd 15:11 < Stormx2> I'm sick of this shit 15:11 < pbunny> lol 15:11 < Stormx2> Stop taking pride in being uneducated 15:11 < dx> Stormx2: sorry for continuing it :( 15:11 < dx> i just find him very entertaining 15:12 < pbunny> Stormx2: education is not important in programming 15:12 < pbunny> ability to learn and invent is important 15:12 < Stormx2> Yes it fucking is you tard. This is why your code sucks. 15:12 < Stormx2> Every time we've got a snippet of your code it has been total garbage 15:12 < Stormx2> And you can't even admit to it. 15:13 < pbunny> because it isn't what you are used to in univercity? 15:13 < dx> fun fact: education is important for many things, including realizing how your code is shit! 15:13 < pbunny> dx: education can be different 15:13 < Stormx2> Everyone else 15:13 < Stormx2> Opinions please 15:13 < pbunny> univercities perform the "useless shit brainwashing"-style education 15:13 < pbunny> to make education periods longer and grab more money 15:14 < Stormx2> pbunny, they also teach you important concepts like big-O, which I still haven't heard your rationale for not accepting 15:14 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14 < pbunny> Stormx2: can you give any example of when i will need this big-O ? 15:14 <+sadimusi> Stormx2: I think it's obvious that nobody agrees with him on anything 15:14 < pbunny> and anyway i can just google it in 5 minutes 15:14 < dx> what sadimusi said 15:14 < Stormx2> sadimusi, you can stop this 15:14 < Stormx2> Make #mcdevs-1989 15:14 < Stormx2> send pbunny there 15:14 < pbunny> lol. 15:14 < pbunny> don't be so mad 15:15 < Stormx2> anyone who wants to follow him and write servers with pthreads and mutexes 15:15 < Stormx2> and not abstract datatypes 15:15 < Stormx2> or any of that shit anyone sensible does 15:15 < pbunny> i have abstract datatypes 15:15 < pbunny> i.e. item 15:15 < dx> what i'm really worried about is, am i the only one who isn't 'affected negatively' by his presence? 15:15 < pbunny> dx: obviously univercities inject a program to hate enemies of education system 15:15 < dx> loling 15:15 < jast> what do you mean by 'affected negatively' 15:16 < Stormx2> This is a channel I enjoy talking about technical parts of MC in. And I really value the opinions of almost everyone here. 15:16 < dx> jast: he's amusing, that's what i mean 15:16 < jast> oh, definitely 15:16 < dx> cool. 15:16 < Stormx2> But I hate some 15yo chipping in with "lol java is slow" 15:16 < Stormx2> or some shit 15:16 < Stormx2> It ruins the channel. 15:16 < pbunny> lol. 15:16 < jast> let's face it, java *is* slow (lol) 15:16 < pbunny> ++ 15:16 < dx> yeah, java is really slow, REALLY slow 15:16 < Stormx2> Java being slow is not why minecraft is slow though. 15:16 < dx> but the issue might be that i have 32mb of ram 15:17 < Stormx2> Not entirely, not even majority. 15:17 < dx> and a 2gb swap partition mounted over sshfs 15:17 < pbunny> Stormx2: yeah, that's only one of reasons 15:17 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 15:17 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 15:17 < pbunny> the other reason is - java is a memory hog 15:17 < pbunny> that's why they had to offload world regions 15:17 < pbunny> that's why additional overhead was introduced just to make server work at all 15:17 < Stormx2> world regions are stored as byte or nibble arrays iirc. 15:18 < pbunny> yeah, to disk 15:18 < Stormx2> I run my server off a ramdisk 15:18 < Stormx2> So, no disk. 15:18 < jast> the worst thing about java is that many of the biggest projects that use it are written badly and solve non-problems, and everyone jumps on those and integrates them into anything they, in turn, write in java 15:18 < pbunny> in C i can easily keep 2500x2500x256 world in 4Gb of RAM 15:18 < pbunny> with java i doubt 64Gb would be enough 15:18 < Stormx2> what makes you say that? 15:18 < pbunny> i did calculations. 15:18 < Stormx2> java stores byte arrays just like C does 15:18 < pbunny> ah 15:18 < pbunny> how about array sizes? 15:19 < dx> Stormx2: this guy stores the whole world in memory all the time 15:19 < pbunny> hmm 15:19 < Stormx2> They're byte[], it's not a python list or anything 15:19 < pbunny> dx: yeah, and i can keep 2500x2500 world that way 15:19 < Stormx2> dx, so do I but I don't need a new server to do it :P 15:19 < dx> Stormx2: don't bother arguing his shit, he knows about this 15:19 < pbunny> Stormx2: well maybe problem lies in another reason 15:19 < pbunny> the brain java of mojang devs? 15:19 < pbunny> the wish to OOP anything as much as they can 15:19 <+sadimusi> it's starting to get annoying, is anybody still having fun and wants to keep him around? 15:20 < dx> i do, but don't mind if someone kicks him 15:20 < jast> what's annoying is that everyone thinks they can educate him 15:20 < Stormx2> I could go either way. 15:20 < pbunny> omg, you can just ask me to stop this topic 15:20 < Stormx2> Maybe see if he keeps it up? 15:20 < jast> only slightly, though. it's kind of funny, too, at the same time 15:21 <+sadimusi> I'll just disable notifications for this channel for a while then :) 15:22 < dx> actually i think the conversation is over 15:22 < jast> your face is over 15:22 < jast> !! 15:22 < dx> :( 15:22 < jast> oh wait, no, there it is. my mistake. 15:22 < dx> oh cool 15:23 < dx> i'm going to write a minecraft server in pypy, they say it's faster than C so it's even better than java right? 15:23 < Stormx2> I'm going to write a minecraft server on a lisp machine because I hear they're all the rage 15:24 < dx> i'll just use python generators instead of arrays, python generators are just code and don't use any memory at all 15:24 < dx> i'd use the term "heap memory" but i've never heard it before 15:24 < dx> i can still use it - i just have to google it 15:24 < pbunny> are you serious? 15:25 < pbunny> you shouldn't use python at the first place 15:25 < dx> are YOU serious? 15:25 < pbunny> of course 15:25 < dx> oh god dammit sorry i'm continuing it 15:26 < jast> from now on I'll write all my code in Ada 83 15:28 < pbunny> Stormx2: what is your version about why mojang decided to not keep world in ram? 15:29 < pbunny> why did they go to all these complications and limitations (no offline mobs etc)? 15:29 < dx> dude 15:29 < dx> the answer to that question is trivial 15:29 < Alan> ugh 15:29 < Alan> this channel 15:29 < Alan> is full of people who haven't got a fucking clue, and people raging/sighing at people who don't have a clue 15:29 < Alan> who suggested I should come here? 15:29 < Alan> was it eddyb ? 15:29 < dx> Alan: uh, sorry 15:30 < dx> Alan: my pypy comment was sarcastic btw 15:30 < Alan> dx: I could tell you were being sarcastic 15:30 < dx> oh ok 15:30 < Alan> just, in general 15:30 < dx> Alan: then i don't know what other people you're talking about 15:30 < dx> Alan: it's just pbunny being derp... 15:30 < eddyb> Alan: yeah, well, I'm sorry if it turned out worse :( 15:30 < Alan> mainly pdelvo 15:30 < Alan> erm 15:30 < Alan> pbunny: 15:30 < dx> Alan: it's not usually like this 15:31 < Alan> yeah, it seems to usually be dead instead 15:31 < Alan> :P 15:31 < dx> ..well, yeah, lately yes 15:31 < pbunny> dx: trivial? can you sound it? 15:31 < dx> it's mostly about mc protocol and nobody interested happened with the protocol in a long time 15:31 < dx> pbunny: infinite world 15:32 < pbunny> dx: are you serious about somebody can ever need infinite world? 15:32 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32 < pbunny> isn't 2500x2500 already big enough? 15:32 < pbunny> or 15000x15000 (256Gb RAM) ? 15:32 < Alan> infinite world = very easy for players to accidentally make it use all the RAM 15:32 < dx> lol 15:32 < pbunny> Alan ++ 15:32 < pbunny> dx: world is still not infinite 15:32 <+Fador> some run servers on raspberry pi with limited RAM ;D 15:32 < Alan> without regard for what the hardware specs are 15:32 < Alan> loading only what's in use lets memory usage scale with player count, not world size 15:33 < Alan> and lets you still have your effectively unlimited worlds 15:33 < Alan> how is that so hard to grasp? 15:33 < pbunny> why not limit world to 15000x15000 and loop it as planet? 15:33 < pbunny> it's a HUGE world 15:33 < dx> pbunny: my feed the beast server is hosted on a 512mb openvz - it runs flawlessly and the generated chunks extend up to 9000 15:33 < Alan> because that's not Minecraft 15:33 < dx> pbunny: i pay $30 per year for this server 15:33 < pbunny> dx: yes, but it doesn't iterate over everything 15:33 < dx> pbunny: to have a server with 32gb ram, you have to pay $100 per month usually 15:33 < dx> pbunny: there are no servers with 256gb ram in this planet 15:33 < pbunny> it's not a real independent world 15:34 < pbunny> dx: LOL. 15:34 < pbunny> there is 15:34 < dx> .. 15:34 < pbunny> dx: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643 15:34 < Alan> dx: try telling my workplace that :P 15:34 < pbunny> you can insert 256Gb of RAM there 15:34 < dx> fug 15:34 < dx> oh dammit 15:34 < Alan> we're about to get 2 new servers: a 32-core 256GB RAM, and a 64-core 512GB RAM 15:34 < pbunny> i will get one in autumn maybe 15:34 < dx> actually there was a 48tb supercomputer 15:35 < Alan> but big servers are expensive 15:35 < dx> god dammit, i'm the stupid one now ;_; 15:35 < dx> okay 15:35 < dx> how about 15:35 < Alan> and your "average" group of minecrafters does not have the money needed to throw at servers that big 15:36 < Alan> and yet again, putting a really high lowerbound on amount of memory needed by making the usage scale with world size is horrible 15:36 < dx> pbunny: if you can tell me about a dedicated non-collocated service that provides 256gb ram, i'd love to know its price 15:36 < pbunny> dx: why not just buy one? 15:36 < pbunny> it's cheaper and better privacy 15:36 < dx> .. 15:37 < dx> okay i'm bored of this 15:37 < dx> bye 15:37 < pbunny> dx: imagine a hosting provider will read the emails and passwords of users of mc, then hacks their emails (as 99% of people use the same password everywhere) 15:37 < pbunny> and they all will blame you for that 15:37 < pbunny> how can you just trust your data to somebody you never saw 15:37 < dx> please don't ping me anymore, thank you. 15:38 < pbunny> also he can steal your code and run his own server, etc 15:38 < pbunny> ok 15:38 < jast> that's very simple: you make an agreement with the hoster to not do that. if they do it anyway, you sue them. 15:38 < Alan> "steal your code" 15:38 < pbunny> jast: they can hide all traces 15:38 < pbunny> easily 15:38 < jast> it's also illegal in the first place 15:38 < Alan> yeah, now you're going into the realms of "breach of contract", "illegal" etc 15:38 < pbunny> jast: you can't monitor your hosting provider 15:38 < Alan> running your server in a datacentre already puts you at risk 15:38 < jast> well 15:38 < pbunny> he can do whatever he wants, you can only guess 15:38 < Alan> even colocated 15:39 < pbunny> Alan: sure 15:39 < Alan> physical access = you lose 15:39 < pbunny> that's why i keep my server at home 15:39 < Alan> enjoy dat latency 15:39 < jast> it's fairly difficult to read stuff on a server without powering it off if you don't have the password 15:39 < pbunny> i have 1Gbps connection there 15:39 < jast> you can't do that with a screwdriver and a hammer 15:39 < Alan> you have a very broken/skewed view of what an average minecraft server looks like or should look like 15:39 < pbunny> jast: um, you can even read from RAM on running server with special devices 15:39 < Alan> jast: who says you can't power it off? 15:39 < jast> yes, with special devices 15:40 < Alan> "oops, power interruption" 15:40 < pbunny> jast: hosting provider can have these 15:40 < jast> any hoster who has these special devices will be viewed with, shall we say, a small amount of suspicion 15:40 < jast> Alan: o hi encrypted hard disk 15:40 < Alan> jast: and how do you suggest ever being able to reboot it? 15:40 < jast> (yeah yeah, not perfectly secure, I know) 15:41 < jast> though I suppose you could put the bootloader in a hardware dongle 15:41 < Alan> any method that you can use to unlock the encryption can be intercepted 15:41 < pbunny> you can encrypt all important partitions, but hosting provider can still sniff your password when you attempt to decrypt it (i.e. via ssh) 15:41 < jast> that should make it pretty safe 15:41 < Alan> ... the hardware dongle that's in the datacentre? 15:41 < jast> yes 15:41 < Alan> right, so how does any of this protect you against the datacentre staff? 15:41 < jast> e.g. hardware dongle has a private key baked into it 15:41 < pbunny> my root fs is unencrypted, so in case of reboot i can ssh into it and mount all encrypted partitions 15:42 < Alan> jast: in which case they've got the private key 15:42 < pbunny> but hosting provider would just intercept ssh and get your password 15:42 < Alan> it's almost like people don't grasp information theory. 15:42 < jast> you underestimate the difficulty involved in reverse-engineering hardware 15:42 < jast> especially if you don't want to damage said hardware 15:42 < Alan> why would you need to reverse-engineer it? 15:43 < jast> because the hardware dongle isn't going to tell you the secret key if you just ask nicely 15:43 < pbunny> jast: hosting provider can just use hotpluggable RAID in your server 15:43 < pbunny> then it can unplug 1 hdd and read it 15:43 < pbunny> then plug it back 15:43 < pbunny> etc 15:43 < pbunny> limited opportunities 15:43 < jast> it's still encrypted o/~ 15:43 < Alan> jast: ... the bit of code that reads the private key from the dongle can't be encrypted with the key that's in the dongle 15:43 < pbunny> jast: encryption password is intercepted 15:43 < Alan> otherwise it couldn't run 15:43 < jast> the private key is _never_ read from the dongle 15:43 < jast> the dongle uses it ONLY to authenticate you 15:43 < Alan> or whoever has the machine 15:44 < pbunny> jast: can you explain in more detail how will you mount encrypted partitions/disks ? 15:44 < jast> it also contains another secret key used for disk decryption, sent out to the OS after a system integrity check (and after you have authenticated yourself) 15:44 < Alan> jast: the authentication can still be intercepted 15:44 < jast> yes, but since the secret key is unknown, that doesn't matter 15:44 < jast> asymmetric cryptography, you know 15:44 -!- zz_dav1d is now known as dav1d 15:44 < jast> challenge-response 15:45 < jast> ever heard of any of those? 15:45 < pbunny> jast: hosting provider can do mitm as he still has all the keys 15:45 < jast> where from? 15:45 < pbunny> unless you drove to him physically and configured server by yourself 15:45 < jast> yes, that's called colocation 15:46 < jast> obviously you can't do any of this if you use hardware provided by the provider 15:46 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:47 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has joined #mcdevs 15:47 < jast> and now, if you've set up a secure server box (with tampering sensors), things should be pretty good 15:48 < jast> I still wouldn't give critical data to anyone else, but we're talking about minecraft servers here, for which pretty much anything is overkill 15:48 < Alan> so, now that we've thoroughly explored fantasy-land... 15:48 < Alan> you don't co-located critically sensitive information 15:48 < Alan> minecraft servers are not critically sensitive information 15:48 < Alan> oh 15:48 < Alan> haha 15:48 < Alan> 2 people saying the same thing, must be true 15:48 < jast> yeah, that's how it works 15:49 < Alan> I hope not 15:49 < Alan> otherwise we're all screwed 15:49 < jast> yes we are 15:49 < jast> boom 15:49 < Alan> anyway, pretty sure my life isn't going to be enriched by staying here 15:49 < Alan> good luck with whatever things you attempt to do 15:49 < jast> took you long enough to figure that out :} 15:50 < Alan> no, i just stuck around for the rage 15:50 -!- Alan [alan@unaffiliated/alan] has left #mcdevs [] 15:53 < jast> dx: EC2 offers an instance type with 244 GB RAM for "just" $3.50/h :} 15:54 < dx> jast: nice 15:54 < dav1d> 244GB ram, not bad 15:54 < jast> also 88 bogocores 15:54 < dx> jast: i actually needed to do a heavy video encoding job once, grabbed one server with 48gb ram for 40 cents an hour or so 15:55 < jast> yeah, I did something similar once 15:55 < dx> never knew what the provider was and i paid the guy in bitcoins lol 15:55 < dx> kinda shady but it was little money for what i had to do 15:55 < dx> and it worked! 15:56 <+Fador> dx: and now they have a copy of your videos? =D 15:56 < dx> ...well 15:56 < dx> it was just anime. lol. 15:57 <+Fador> ^_^ 15:57 <+Fador> -!- Fador [fador@hentai.fi] 15:57 < dx> lewd 15:57 < dx> a friend had to send his only PC to repair something, and it took a really long while, like two months 15:57 < dx> he had a PS3 but it doesn't support the usual codecs 15:58 <+Fador> like..HEVC ;) 15:58 < dx> so i offered to encode all the episodes he missed from the season, thought it would be fun 15:58 < dx> lol hevc 15:58 < dx> well, actually, no softsubbed mkv and no 10bit. really common situation. 15:59 < dx> nobody supports 10bit ever 15:59 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 15:59 <+Fador> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6324420 <- I was writing a paper about HEVC 15:59 < dx> whoa. 16:00 < dx> ...but no thanks, i'll pass 16:00 < dx> i barely know how to get decent results with the x264 command line tool :P 16:00 <+Fador> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~moncef/publications/complexity-analysis-ISCAS-2012.pdf my other paper about it that you can actually read without paying ;D 16:00 <+Fador> hehe, sure, HEVC was standardized just few months ago 16:01 < dx> and fansubbers are already considering using it as soon as possible 16:02 <+Fador> well it does reduce the size 50% with the same quality..=D 16:03 < dx> at the cost of a lot more people not being able to watch it! 16:03 <+Fador> sure! 16:03 <+Fador> they can watch it in the *future* ;D 16:03 < dx> actually they did that already with hi10p, and the hardware decoders haven't caught up 16:04 < dx> (they probably don't care about it) 16:05 <+Fador> the switch to 10bit was quite fast after x264 started supporting it 16:07 -!- clonejo|offline is now known as clonejo 16:08 < dx> in hindsight, the only decent ways to handle it would be either adopting it ASAP like they did, or not adopting it at all 16:09 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@2001:630:d0:f110:4cfb:5a63:110a:4de1] has joined #mcdevs 16:09 < dx> as in, there was no reason to delay it if stuff that isn't ffmpeg isn't planning to implement it too 16:09 < dx> (ffmpeg as a generalization because i'm too lazy to check alternate software only implementations) 16:10 < dx> (we all know ffmpeg has a monopoly on the codec market anyway) 16:12 < Stormx2> dx, libav? :P 16:12 < jast> libav is pretty much the same thing 16:12 < dx> Stormx2: same shit 16:12 < jast> except it appears to be a pointless fork 16:12 < jast> gstreamer might have it's own implementation 16:12 < jast> s/'//, gah 16:12 < Stormx2> dx, not necessarily, they hate eachother don't they? I think there are differences 16:13 < jast> yeah 16:13 < dx> oh, true, gstreamer reimplements some stuff 16:13 < dx> Stormx2: lol, yeah 16:13 < jast> ffmpeg merges stuff from libav, and libav hates ffmpeg so much that they rewrite everything themselves 16:13 < jast> also they care even less about compatibility 16:13 < dx> is libav only used by mplayer2? 16:14 < dx> they sure know how to get confusing names 16:14 < jast> debian seems to have switched to it 16:15 < jast> for clarification: ffmpeg comprises an ffmpeg command-line tool and libavcodec, libavformat and a few other similarly-named ones. libav comprises an avconv command-line tool and libavcodec, libavformat and a few other similarly-named ones. 16:15 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:15 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15 < dx> yep 16:16 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 16:16 < dx> completely different groups of people with names that are pretty much the same 16:17 < dx> in other COMPLETELY UNRELATED news, there's a mc 1.5 pre-release 16:17 < dx> i bet you didn't expect me to say something minecraft-related in this channel 16:17 < jast> unpossible 16:18 < dx> the changelog says 'removed herobrine' - that wasn't in any of the previous snapshots, can we get a burger vitrine diff to see if the herobrine entity is gone? 16:18 < dx> IIRC it got re-added in the first snapshot of the 1.5 branch 16:18 < Gregor> Hyuk 16:19 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:19 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 16:19 < dx> oh nice, we actually have a burger diff up already 16:20 < dx> i thought it had stopped working a few snapshots ago 16:20 < dx> thanks to whoever fixed it 16:20 <+sadimusi> I didn't fix it, I mad one manually 16:20 < eddyb> mad? 16:21 <+sadimusi> most toppings still don't work with the new versions :/ 16:21 < Gregor> Well, having to do them manually can be pretty infuriating. 16:21 <+sadimusi> especially block 16:21 <+sadimusi> *blocks 16:21 < dx> sadimusi: :( 16:21 < eddyb> so sad the burger machine isn't as automated as it once was :( 16:22 < dx> we can still hire 17 year old employees and pay them minimal wages to make the burgers, don't worry 16:22 < dx> although sadimusi is probably nowhere near a 17 year old burger flipper and he does it for free, so <3 16:25 < dx> the language entries of tile/item are still good enough as a summary 16:29 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 < Stormx2> is the pre-release protocol page up-to-date? 16:32 < dx> you can compare the burger output with it 16:32 < Stormx2> Looks like it's all there except for 0x3F 16:42 < pbunny> anybody feels like continuing "why java is bad for minecraft servers" discussion? 16:44 < dx> nah 16:45 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 16:49 < dx> http://i.imgur.com/kxsS6bh.gif 17:02 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 17:04 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:18 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:25 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 17:27 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@2001:630:d0:f110:4cfb:5a63:110a:4de1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@2001:630:d0:f110:4cfb:5a63:110a:4de1] has joined #mcdevs 17:45 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.240.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:03 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@2001:630:d0:f110:4cfb:5a63:110a:4de1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11 -!- dav1d is now known as zz_dav1d 18:14 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 18:15 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has joined #mcdevs 18:16 < shoghicp> hi! 18:16 < shoghicp> When an user is killed, it sends the Entity Status packet 18:16 < shoghicp> and after that? 18:16 < shoghicp> so, if it respawns 18:17 < shoghicp> The entity is despawned? 18:18 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 18:23 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:28 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 18:30 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@184-100-193-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:32 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@184-100-193-217.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:32 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 18:37 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 18:37 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 18:40 -!- Nimbus [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:43 -!- gicode_ [gicode@rancor.csh.rit.edu] has joined #mcdevs 18:43 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v gicode_] by ChanServ 18:43 -!- AgentHH` [~AgentHH@umunhum.stackallocated.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:46 < Grum> Stormx2: education is not important in programming <-- he's actually right in that :p 18:48 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Broken_Syntax, AgentHH, +gicode 18:48 < Grum> anybody feels like continuing "why java is bad for minecraft servers" discussion? <-- yeah! 18:50 -!- AgentHH` is now known as AgentHH 18:53 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:55 < Valdiralita> why not "java is bad for complex games" 18:58 < Grum> hard to define complex; also not true 18:58 < Valdiralita> i just dont like java :) 18:58 < Grum> because? 18:59 < ShaRose> java has some dumb parts, anyone can admit that 18:59 < ShaRose> "unsigned is too hard" - gosling 18:59 < Grum> it has too many libraries? it has too much collected cruft they keep in for 'backwards retardility' ? 19:00 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.67.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:01 < ShaRose> "Quiz any C developer about unsigned, and pretty soon you discover that almost no C developers actually understand what goes on with unsigned, what unsigned arithmetic is." - The actual quote from James Gosling, one of the main people behind java 19:01 < Grum> to me the only reason to use unsigned is because .. well there is no arithmetic 19:02 < Grum> just seems easier to not have to worry about negative overflows :p 19:02 < ShaRose> I like using unsigned stuff for packing and such 19:02 < ShaRose> it also makes interop less retarded 19:02 < Grum> yeah 19:03 < Valdiralita> packing is great :D 19:04 -!- dola [~dola@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:04 < ShaRose> but yeah, not really a fan of java. as usual I compare it to C# and there are a few things I like about java, but mostly C# kicks the shit out of it 19:04 < Grum> so, is there a 'maven' like thing for C# ? 19:05 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05 < Valdiralita> http://byldan.codeplex.com/ 19:05 < ShaRose> https://nuget.org/ was the one I was thinking of 19:07 < Grum> so, can you properly code C# when you are *NOT* on windows? 19:07 < Grum> does it have a rich ide you can use? 19:08 < ShaRose> monodevelop I guess, but visual studio really is ~that~ awesome 19:10 < Grum> yes, but it doesnt run on anything but ..... the os you do not want to use for development :p 19:11 < Gregor> (Or: Deployment!) 19:12 <+pdelvo> Do you know blockscape? http://www.blockscape.com/v2/ 19:14 < Grum> nope 19:15 -!- clonejo is now known as clonejo|offline 19:21 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 19:21 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v sadimusi] by ChanServ 19:28 < jast> I hope nobody brings up eclipse as a stellar example of a great IDE 19:28 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:29 < Grum> Eclipse is the bestest ide 19:29 < jast> it's so good that people have made data mining tools based on it 19:30 < jast> (OH GOD WHYYY) 19:31 < superjoe> jast, if you're writing java, what's a better IDE? 19:32 < Grum> anything other than eclipse :/ 19:32 < Grum> I prefer Intellij 19:32 < superjoe> that's not an answer 19:32 < jast> I'm not writing java 19:32 < superjoe> ok that's an answer 19:32 < jast> I hear netbeans isn't as bad, either... was that the name? can't remember 19:33 < Gregor> I got a desktop with 16GB of RAM so I could run Firefox and Eclipse. 19:33 < Gregor> Not at the same time, of course. 19:33 < jast> yeah 19:34 < jast> I assembled a new PC the other day, with 16 GB RAM, too (finally!) 19:34 < jast> I nearly melted the universe trying run firefox and eclipse at the same time 19:36 < jast> fortunately the circuit breaker kicked in first 19:36 < Gregor> *whew* 19:36 < Gregor> I've actually had the power supply of a computer burst into flames once :) 19:36 < jast> it's an especially sensitive circuit breaker 19:36 < jast> it often switches if I plug in in a device 19:36 < jast> my previous PSU went up in smoke 19:36 < Gregor> As an added advantage, you could also run on Minecraft server, so long as you don't have more than about three users and they don't go too far from spawn. 19:36 < jast> while the computer wasn't even turned on 19:37 < jast> now you're pushing it 19:37 <+Ac-town> you'd also need a ssd then 19:37 < Grum> Gregor: so why did you give eclipse so much memory? 19:37 < jast> eclipse doesn't ask... it just takes 19:37 < Gregor> Grum: HELLO I AM MAKES JOKES 19:37 < Grum> its java, it cant 19:37 < jast> java always takes 19:37 < jast> default heap space size, sure... the rest of the RAM is filled with GC metadata 19:38 < jast> bah, s/space // 19:38 < Grum> :( .... 19:38 < jast> like so many other things, java's RAM usage always scales with the total amount of RAM available 19:38 < Grum> doesnt work that way sigh 19:38 < jast> even if you have infinity RAM 19:39 < jast> then it takes up infinity*0.9 RAMs 19:39 < Grum> if you let it, maybe 19:39 * Gregor munches on popcorn. 19:39 < jast> I am king of math 19:41 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 19:42 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v sadimusi] by ChanServ 19:44 < Calinou> my previous PSU went up in smoke 19:44 < Calinou> *cough*advance*cough* 19:44 < jast> not following 19:44 < Calinou> 16GB RAM is pointless unless you do video editing or using a ramdisk for a good reason :P 19:45 <+Ac-town> cache 19:45 <+Ac-town> so its not pointless :) 19:45 < jast> does virtualization count? 19:45 < Calinou> yeah 19:45 * Calinou has 12GB RAM 19:45 < jast> and insane programming experiments 19:45 < Calinou> 1620MB used right now, not counting cache 19:45 < jast> I intend to tinker with Slow Fourier Transforms 19:45 < Calinou> with cache I'm at about 5GB 19:46 < jast> (that's not a real thing... yet) 19:46 < jast> well I had 2 GB RAM before, and I had serious issues with that in normal usage 19:46 <+Ac-town> total used free shared buffers cached 19:46 <+Ac-town> Mem: 24683072 20179468 4503604 0 742208 16973648 19:46 <+Ac-town> cache everything 19:46 < jast> well of course 19:47 < jast> unless you're using windows, which is comparably crappy at caching 19:47 <+Ac-town> cache the planet 19:47 < jast> and don't forget to cache the cache 19:47 < jast> massive speed-ups to be had 19:47 * Calinou high fives jast for linux 19:47 * Calinou uses xubuntu 12.10, archers gonna arch 19:47 < jast> tbh I'm on windows right now 19:47 < Calinou> ah :P 19:47 <+Ac-town> I'm on gentoo 19:47 < jast> my plan is to run linux in a VM and do most of my work in that 19:48 < jast> but I need my games and also my DAW, and both need windows, and I'm way too lazy to reboot all the time 19:49 < Gregor> 16GB RAM is pointless unless you do video editing or using a ramdisk for a good reason // OR unless you want to run Firefox *sage nod* 19:49 < Calinou> firefox eats like 2GB with a lot of tabs 19:49 <+Ac-town> only like 1.5GB max for me 19:49 < Calinou> uses more RAM than chromium with one tab but less with 15+ tabs 19:50 <+Ac-town> on nightly with a bunch of addons 19:50 < Gregor> WHY, WHY do people not understand when I'm making a joke *sigh* 19:50 <+Ac-town> we do 19:50 < Gregor> Anyway, my 16GB RAM is mainly for GC experiments and running several VMs at the same time ^^ 19:51 < jast> I was aware that 16GB RAM is pretty pointless for normal usage when I spent all the money 19:51 <+Ac-town> imo just buy and max your mobo with ram when you buy it 19:51 <+Ac-town> since ram is pretty cheap 19:52 <+Ac-town> and you can get all the same speeds 19:52 < jast> well, I spent ~$120 on RAM. didn't wanna spend another ~$120 to max it. 19:52 <+Ac-town> what kind of ram? 19:53 < jast> ddr3 1600mhz or something 19:53 < jast> cl9? dunno 19:53 <+Ac-town> spendy 19:53 <+Ac-town> I think I got ddr3 2133 for like 190 total 19:53 <+Ac-town> for 16GB 19:54 < Calinou> that's a lot 19:54 < Calinou> faster RAM gives few improvements unless you use an AMD APU with is IGP 19:54 < Calinou> but if you have the money, why not 19:55 <+Ac-town> it was about thesame as the 1600mhz stuff 19:55 <+Ac-town> so why not 19:56 < Calinou> here, 2×4GB of 1333mhz RAM: 40 euros, 1600: 45 euros, 1866: 50 euros, 2133: 63 euros, 2400: 69 euros 19:56 <+Ac-town> 24gb for that? pretty cheap 19:56 < Calinou> AMD CPUs support 1866 officially, intel 1600, but in both cases you can overclock the RAM to reach its max frequency 19:56 <+Ac-town> yep 19:56 < Calinou> Ac-town: 2x4, get a proper IRC client :P 19:56 < Calinou> × is the proper multiply sign 8D 19:57 <+Ac-town> I do have a proper irc client 19:57 <+Ac-town> might not have the font for that 19:57 <+Ac-town> but jpn and chinese works 19:57 < jast> every decent font has that character 19:57 < Calinou> *buntus just-work-i-ness strikes again 8) 19:57 <+Ac-town> WeeChat 0.4.0 [compiled on Feb 1 2013 02:17:10] 19:57 < jast> and if it doesn't, it shouldn't magically pretend there was nothing there 19:57 <+Ac-town> jast: I have a custom font set for my urxvt 19:58 <+Ac-town> I saw 2?4 19:58 < jast> right, no pity then :} 19:58 <+Ac-town> so I wasn't sure if it was a fuck up on his side or what 19:59 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has left #mcdevs [] 20:04 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:04 < Thinkofdeath> Added the new 0x3f packet to the pre-release page 20:07 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:23 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:76e5:bff:fe22:870a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 20:32 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:34 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 20:42 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 20:55 -!- clonejo|offline is now known as clonejo 20:58 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@213-33-18-74.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 21:01 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.67.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 22:10 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:12 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 22:17 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v sadimusi] by ChanServ 22:22 < TkTech> Thinkofdeath: Thank you 22:24 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:25 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has joined #mcdevs 22:56 <+Prf_Jakob> #1210 in queue for Oculus, order is ready. 22:56 <+Prf_Jakob> woo 23:03 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: To be honest, I'm more interested in https://getmyo.com/ 23:03 < TkTech> (Paired with Google glasses or the like later on, once they can be reflashed) 23:11 <+Prf_Jakob> hmm 23:15 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@213-33-18-74.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:28 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 23:39 -!- Jckf [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 23:49 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:51 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has joined #mcdevs 23:55 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-94-221-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:55 -!- Jckf [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has joined #mcdevs --- Day changed ven. mars 08 2013 00:00 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: (I'm more interested in such technology for mashing up day-to-day things, versus gaming) 00:06 <+Prf_Jakob> ah okay 00:14 <+Amaranth> Prf_Jakob: Off topic: So, how about that mir, eh? :P 00:15 < Stormx2> ubuntu dev reunion time! 00:15 * Stormx2 gets party hats 00:15 <+Prf_Jakob> Amaranth: summed up by "but why" 00:16 <+Amaranth> At least now I know why Alexandros was pulled away from Linaro. I knew it had something to do with mobile 00:17 <+Amaranth> I'm rather amused Canonical and TI sponsored me via Linaro to port compiz/unity to GLES for mobile and are throwing it away 00:17 <+Amaranth> At least that meant it won't live long enough for me to be blamed for it 00:17 <+Prf_Jakob> Hehe 00:18 <+Prf_Jakob> Well I'm hoping at least we can get a good ARM drivers that can be used by Wayland as well. 00:19 <+Amaranth> Sounds like the plan on ARM is to piggy back the Android drivers 00:19 <+Amaranth> So probably not directly usable 00:20 <+Prf_Jakob> yeah 00:20 <+Amaranth> But hey, we put up with copies everywhere anyway, just use shm and accept another copy :P 00:21 <+Prf_Jakob> heh 00:23 <+Amaranth> Maybe I should drop some of these Ubuntu channels and idle in #wayland now, seems like some interesting discussions happen there now 00:24 <+Prf_Jakob> Amaranth: well fair enough of doing their own thing, but they in the prosses managed to take a dump on Wayland which pissed people. 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ellisvlad 16:23 < ellisvlad> quick question about chunk sending :P 16:23 < ellisvlad> If anyone can help, what is the 0x32 "PreChunk" packet? 16:24 <+sadimusi> it's not used anymore iirc 16:26 < ellisvlad> hmm, then I can't figure out why my chunk sending isn't working xD 16:39 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 16:39 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 16:44 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:01 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.248.64.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:03 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:04 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@77.117.247.132.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:09 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has joined #mcdevs 17:10 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has quit [Changing host] 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For BraLa, this figure is only 3%." 18:31 < dav1d> who needs comments pfft 18:31 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:31 -!- Justasic2 is now known as Justasic 18:31 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@71-34-99-119.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:31 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 18:31 < dav1d> the 3% are probably coming from stb_image.c xD 18:35 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 18:35 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 18:39 < Gregor> dav1d: Naw, there's probably one mis-labeled project that it thinks is D and 100% comments, which single-handedly makes up for 11% of all D lines in the system. 19:00 -!- dav1d is now known as zz_dav1d 19:02 -!- zz_dav1d is now known as dav1d 19:08 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.248.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:35 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:37 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 19:37 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 20:04 -!- bobness [~silver@c-71-236-226-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:04 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:04 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+1/-0/±6] http://git.io/gSVO5A 20:04 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 13be25b - Completed update to 1.5 pre-release 20:07 < rom1504> superjoe: hi, I think I'm going to try again to make mineflayer's craft function to work, do you have any idea why it doesn't work and how to make it work ? 20:07 < rom1504> and why the inventory is getting corrupted after a rejected transation 20:07 < superjoe> rom1504, hi. no - I have been holding off until the new version is released, because I think it will be changed anyway 20:08 < superjoe> no sense in doing the work twice 20:08 < rom1504> oh ok, there will be changes about the inventory in the new version ? 20:08 < rom1504> when should it be released ? 20:08 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:09 < superjoe> http://www.mojang.com/2013/03/minecraft-redstone-update-pre-release/ 20:09 < superjoe> march 13 20:11 < rom1504> oh, good 20:11 < rom1504> let's wait then 20:11 < superjoe> ok 20:17 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:26 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 20:27 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178-191-245-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 11 commits to master [+58/-0/±49] http://git.io/KEyA6w 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 3c84ee8 - Initial update to 13w02a 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 480fd3c - Added nether quartz drop 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 362a70f - Merge branch 'master' into snapshot 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn de7cfbd - Added Minecart with TNT 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 527f2eb - Merge branch 'snapshot' of https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7f83330 - Updated to 13w03a protocol 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 4f908e4 - Added dropper block 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b48139b - Added minecart with hopper item 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 5f18f04 - Added log-like quartz orientation 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn dbd3237 - Updated version info in readme 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 76ff153 - Merge branch 'snapshot' of https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+2/-0/±3] http://git.io/wV33_A 20:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7404dc9 - Added scoreboard management to Craft.Net.Server 20:30 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.248.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:42 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has joined #mcdevs 20:44 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@D97A5516.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:45 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 20:48 -!- pbunny [~pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.1] 21:04 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 21:05 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 21:11 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-94-221-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 21:53 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:35 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@71-32-242-79.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:36 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+1/-0/±6] http://git.io/ovrYww 22:36 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn d4585dc - Added team support 22:37 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37 -!- Justasic2 is now known as Justasic 22:37 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@71-32-242-79.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:37 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 22:47 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 22:49 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 22:50 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±2] http://git.io/5CtVyg 22:50 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 8afa561 - Improvements in NbtReader error reporting. Added InvalidReaderStateException class. 22:54 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:55 -!- Thinkofd [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 22:55 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55 -!- Thinkofd is now known as Thinkofdeath 22:57 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:57 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 23:54 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57 < bobness> Hrm, when I send a shift-click on a slot to the server, and close the window, I don't get any update packets? ..does the server just figure that, on click acceptance, I know what to do as far moving stuff around in the local inventory (e.g., I know max stack sized, and to add an item to the first available stack and/or free slot, or am I missing something? 23:59 < bobness> by 'update packets' I mean, 'set_slot'. --- Day changed sam. mars 09 2013 00:00 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178-191-245-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178-191-245-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 00:36 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-94-221-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 00:36 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C642.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 00:42 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:47 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178-191-245-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:59 -!- dola [~dola@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:03 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 01:03 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v sadimusi] by ChanServ 01:04 -!- dola [~dola@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 01:06 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has joined #mcdevs 01:10 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11 -!- dola [~dola@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:15 -!- dola [~dola@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 01:16 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 01:16 -!- sadimusi [~sadimusi@77-57-175-131.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 01:16 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v sadimusi] by ChanServ 01:17 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 01:20 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:20 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:26 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 01:29 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 01:30 -!- yukonvinecki [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 01:31 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 01:39 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:40 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48 -!- md_5 [md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:53 -!- md_5 [~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has joined #mcdevs 01:53 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v md_5] by ChanServ 02:09 < bobness> If you send a right-click to the server while holding an item, and the slot you're clicking on has the same item (but is full), does this result in an accepted or rejected transaction? 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Theres just one thing keeping me from logging into a server... I don't know how the server hash is calculated when you decline authentication :/ 03:23 < EvokeR> *Decline encryption 03:26 < EvokeR> I've tried what seems obvious (exclude shared secret, replace it with a null char, use just the server id, etc) but no luck. 03:27 < EvokeR> Does anyone here know how to do this? 03:27 < dexter0> Outside of some crappy *exploit* there is no way for clients to disable encryption iirc. 03:29 < EvokeR> The wiki says sending a 0xCD will skip it, but is kinda iffy whether or not it works in online mode... 03:32 < EvokeR> And just doing the encryption won't work... This platform simply can't do RSA in pure lua fast enough :/ 03:32 < dexter0> well you can stick around until someone who really knows the protocol turns up and gives you the bad news. 03:43 <+AndrewPH> are all packets encrypted, including chunks? 03:44 < dexter0> beginning midway through the handshake, yes 03:44 < EvokeR> After the client authenticates, yes. 03:52 <+AndrewPH> what's the point in encrypting movement and chunk data? 03:53 <+AndrewPH> seems really wastefull 03:53 <+AndrewPH> wasteful, even 03:55 < EvokeR> Because its easier than only encrypting some of the stream, I suppose. 03:57 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 04:19 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:25 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 04:25 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 04:29 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has joined #mcdevs 04:29 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has quit [Changing host] 04:29 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has joined #mcdevs 04:31 < EvokeR> Does anybody know how to calculate the server hash when you decline encryption? 04:39 < TkTech> EvokeR: Probably, but it's late for most of the guys here. Might have better luck asking again in the morning. 04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±8] http://git.io/VYjJ9w 04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer ac3ea53 - Documentation improvements in NbtReader, and overhaul in progress for NbtSerializer. 04:42 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer fbbcd72 - Further work on NbtSerializer. Added INbtSerializable interface, for classes that want to provide custom reading/writing routines. 04:43 < EvokeR> Alright thanks :) 04:58 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 05:03 -!- EvokeR [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 05:35 -!- evil_dan2wik [~evil_dan2@unaffiliated/evil-dan2wik/x-0106201] has left #mcdevs ["Leaving"] 05:50 < bobness> Is it normal to hate callbacks? 05:50 < bobness> ..it seems very natural.. 05:51 < bobness> ..but so many people use them.. 05:54 < dexter0> how to do asynchronous *anything* w/o them? 05:55 < dx> GOTO, obviously 05:56 < dx> you just have to find how to pass GOTO labels as parameters 06:03 < bobness> Already did that with GOTO. It's better than callbacks, but for some reason people don't like it. 06:04 < bobness> (that was a joke) 06:05 < bobness> I guess it's not callbacks altogether that I don't like. Event systems use callbacks, and I don't usually mind those. 06:13 < dx> bobness: ...so what do you hate? 06:21 < bobness> ..oh, most things, particularly if there isn't a good reason. But in this case, it's probably relatively accurate to say I hate debugging callbacks in pre-existing code when they weren't well-organized. 06:30 < bobness> ..particularly when I realize I've been contributing to the mess as opposed to writing a little event handler. 06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 3 commits to master [+1/-1/±8] http://git.io/wL_DDQ 06:31 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 11c6f1e - Added NbtTag.HasValue property. 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Added unit tests for NbtSerializer and fixed a couple serialization bugs that were caught by the tests. 10:38 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 10:53 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:59 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C7CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 11:21 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@D97A5516.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 11:26 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:76e5:bff:fe22:870a] has joined #mcdevs 11:26 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±3] http://git.io/gXcx5w 11:49 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 0198010 - Removed NbtIgnoreOnNull attribute. Now all properties with null value are ignored. NbtSerializer will now use DefaultValueAttribute to optionally initialize omitted properties while deserializing. 11:51 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 12:07 <+Amaranth> Well, dang, it looks like vmwgfx doesn't work with gnome-shell 12:08 <+Amaranth> Err, what channel am I in? 12:08 < edk> mcdevs, apparently 12:09 < edk> it's official, minecraft is going to use gnome-shell as its HUD 12:15 < dx> edk: not minecraft, just bukkit 12:15 < edk> oh? 12:15 < dx> Amaranth is a bukkit dev :P 12:16 <+Amaranth> I'm trying to abandon Ubuntu and failing 12:16 < edk> yes.. 12:16 < edk> Amaranth, in favour of? 12:16 <+Amaranth> Obvious choice: Fedora 12:16 < dx> heh 12:17 <+Amaranth> gnome-shell works surprisingly well with llvmpipe (software rendering) while running virtualized 12:17 < dx> sweet 12:17 < dx> but i'm pretty sure that if you use virtualbox you get opengl in the VM too 12:18 <+Amaranth> I may or may not have put some time in to making compiz work correctly with vmwgfx so I guess I shouldn't be surprised gnome-shell falls over 12:18 < dx> oh, vmware 12:19 < dx> Amaranth: is your host windows? 12:19 <+Amaranth> No 12:19 < dx> oh ok 12:22 < dx> i think the only point of using vmware is getting emulated directx with a linux host.. and the performance is terrible anyway 12:23 < dx> minecraft inside virtualbox "works" for me, with 5 fps and bottlenecking horribly on CPU 12:23 < dx> but it's good enough to do some tests 12:27 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:05 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@D97A5516.cm-3-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06 -!- Sietsem [~SietseFRE@test1.24dns.nl] has joined #mcdevs 13:25 -!- clonejo|offline is now known as clonejo 13:27 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 14:26 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 14:39 -!- nyuszika7h [nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40 -!- nyuszika7h [nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h] has joined #mcdevs 14:50 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 14:55 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 14:59 * Sietsem is now away: Gone, BNC. Leave a message. 15:11 < edk> Sietsem, ಠ_ಠ 15:15 < TobiX> Yay, Public away messages, those were already uncool 15 years ago... 15:48 < edk> they became uncool the same day they were invented 16:08 <+ammar2> edk: still better than the "Now listening to" messages 16:09 < edk> ammar2, that's true I suppose 16:51 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03 -!- Osmose1000 [~Osmose100@li257-226.members.linode.com] has left #mcdevs ["Leaving..."] 17:07 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 17:09 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 17:13 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 17:20 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:21 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 17:31 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@d012.catapulsion.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:38 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:76e5:bff:fe22:870a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C7CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:36 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:36 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 19:22 -!- EvokeR [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has joined #mcdevs 19:23 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:26 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 19:27 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has joined #mcdevs 19:28 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v kev009] by ChanServ 19:28 < EvokeR> Does anybody know how to calculate the server hash when you decline protocol encryption? 19:43 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48 < Gregor> EvokeR: It's just "-" 19:48 < Gregor> Err, wait 19:48 < Gregor> You can't decline encryption. 19:48 < Gregor> You can decline authentication. 19:48 < Gregor> If you decline authentication it's "-" 19:50 < EvokeR> I thought I could send a 0xCD with a payload of 0 to bypass encryption. Or does that only work in offline mode? 20:10 <+Fador> EvokeR: send login response (0x01) instead of encryption request (0xFD) to skip encryption 20:10 <+Fador> and yeah, you can only skip encryption in "offline mode" ;) 20:11 -!- EvokeR [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:12 <+Amaranth> It's also a quirk that is probably unintended so I would make sure you can actually deal with encryption too 20:13 -!- Evoker [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has joined #mcdevs 20:15 <+Fador> (privmsg'd the last few lines) 20:17 < Evoker> Well I can deal with encryption... The problem is my pure lua implementation takes five and a half minutes to calculate the RSA :/ 20:19 < edk> haha 20:21 < Evoker> I managed to get it down from around half an hour :P 20:21 <+Fador> =D 20:22 <+Fador> ..use some external software to calculate it and then just reuse? 20:23 < Evoker> If only... Sadly I can't do that on my iPhone :/ :3 20:24 < Evoker> And the verify token gets in the way :/ 20:24 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25 < Evoker> And I just realized the verify token is encrypted separately from the shared secret X/ 20:28 < Evoker> (By external software I thought you meant C library :P) 20:29 -!- jchen [jchen@igotcreameverywhe.re] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30 <+Fador> well that's what I thought you might want to use but...=) 20:31 <+Fador> but sure you can just create one RSA keypair with any software and just..use it 20:33 < Evoker> Yeah that would be ideal, but Im not in that much control of the environment... I'm trying to use an ios lua app with a socket library :/ 20:34 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34 < Evoker> Yeah the shared secret is easy... If only the verify token was in aes... 20:36 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:36 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:37 <+Fador> I don't even remember how that whole encryption works, I coded it to my server right after it was taken into use 20:38 -!- levifig [~levifig@spwn.co] has joined #mcdevs 20:44 -!- Valdiralita [~Valdirali@188-194-216-182-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 20:46 -!- mapppum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:47 < TkTech> Evoker: No access to luajit? This is a prime candidate to greatly benefit from JIT'ing. 20:48 < Evoker> Hah. I don't blame you. For most platforms you just import a crypto library and you're done. Honestly I don't know why they did anything beyond the sha1 to prevent the man-in-the-middle attacks... 20:50 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:51 < Evoker> Yeah luajit would be great. But on an iPhone... Well I'm not an ios dev. So not happening anytime soon :/ 20:55 < Evoker> I just want logging in and chat working. I didn't think I was asking that much when I started this project. :/ 20:55 < Gregor> and yeah, you can only skip encryption in "offline mode" ;) // I had no idea you could bypass encryption in offline mode... would've made testing much easier X-D 20:56 <+Fador> Gregor: yeah, I noticed you _can_ do that..after I had implemented the encryption ;D 20:57 < Gregor> I wonder if the upstream server allows you to start unencrypted, play that way for a bit, then do the encryption handshake later X-D 21:00 <+Fador> I dont think so ;) 21:01 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 21:02 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 21:04 < Evoker> Yeah that would require both the client and the server to shut up until the handshake finishes. ;) 21:14 < Gregor> Mmmm, Idonno, depends on how it's implemented. Other things could go on so long as there's a very clear "flag point" for both sides (which there almost assuredly is not, or one direction is predicated on the other and so would fail in unpredicable ways) 21:20 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:21 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 21:26 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 -!- Evoker [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 21:45 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 21:47 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:03 -!- EvokeR [aefc07ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.7.237] has joined #mcdevs 22:05 < EvokeR> Well that didn't work. I tried sending 0xCD01 as a keep-alive. 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Hi! Does anyone know how to enable AES encryption on a datainputstream and dataoutputstream? 01:39 < dreadiscool> I have all the the prerequisites set up, the key and all 01:39 < dreadiscool> And I have the socket 01:40 <+sadimusi> java? 01:40 < dreadiscool> Yeah 01:40 <+sadimusi> the easiest way is to use bouncycastle 01:40 < dreadiscool> Trying to make a client :o 01:40 < dreadiscool> :3 01:40 < dreadiscool> Well, I already set up RSA and all those shenanigans without bouncy, is there a way to do it without bouncy? 01:41 <+sadimusi> I don't think so 01:41 <+sadimusi> you can probably reuse some of this https://github.com/SimpleServer/SimpleServer/blob/master/src/simpleserver/stream/Encryption.java 01:41 < dreadiscool> Kool, thanks, will take a look (: 01:45 -!- clonejo_ [~clonejo@shakik.de] has joined #mcdevs 01:45 -!- Moose- [~Moose@buttshare.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:46 -!- MooseElkingtons [~Moose@buttshare.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:46 -!- SuPaHsPi- 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thing is in EntityLiving, not EntityCreature 02:53 < Stormx2> which means it may be possible to hide player nameplates 02:58 < dreadiscool> Hmm, can someone help me with this 02:58 < dreadiscool> I have some kind of login system set up 02:58 < dreadiscool> http://pastie.org/6447464 02:58 < dreadiscool> But, I'm having trouble getting past encryption 02:59 < dreadiscool> Once I enable AES encryption, everything just breaks down and locks up 03:03 < dreadiscool> Yay, I got it to work :D 03:04 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:10 -!- clonejo is now known as clonejo|offline 03:28 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 03:34 -!- dreadiscool [4426ea35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.38.234.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:48 -!- xy-cloud [uid8012@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fyfupxectumkkjhw] 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in clients, but these messages concern me 09:40 < pbunny> what is the right way to spawn item? 10:04 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 10:08 -!- [1]Nimbus [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:12 -!- kcj [~casey@27.252.253.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:19 -!- dx [~dicks@unaffiliated/dxdx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41 -!- dx [~dicks@181.95.92.116] has joined #mcdevs 10:41 -!- dx [~dicks@181.95.92.116] has quit [Changing host] 10:41 -!- dx [~dicks@unaffiliated/dxdx] has joined #mcdevs 10:42 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 11:04 < rom1504> pbunny: i think i saw these messages when connected to a vanilla server 11:04 < pbunny> rom1504: do you see them every time? 11:05 < pbunny> because clients see them for every item i spawn 11:07 < rom1504> I don't know 11:27 < SinZ> what version are you developing for? 11:40 < pbunny> 1.4.7 11:41 < pbunny> iirc protocol hasn't changed in 1.5 11:41 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 11:59 -!- SuPaHsPi- [~SuPaHsPii@198.24.160.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:08 < SinZ> it did... 12:15 -!- SuPaHsPii [~SuPaHsPii@198.24.160.84] has joined #mcdevs 12:19 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 12:20 < pbunny> what packet should i use to show player's held item to other players? 12:20 < pbunny> i.e. if he's holding a diamond sword 12:21 <+Fador> Entity Equipment (0x05) should do that 12:27 < pbunny> thx 12:32 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 12:32 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:36 < pbunny> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_List_Item_.280xC9.29 12:36 < pbunny> "The server sends one packet per user per tick, amounting to 20 packets/s for 1 online user, 40 for 2, and so forth. " 12:36 < pbunny> oh god why? 12:36 < pbunny> why not just send 1 packet to everybody when some player's state changes? 12:37 < pbunny> will it be okay with vanilla client? 12:38 < Stormx2> pbunny, I documented that when 1.9pre came out. 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Does anyone know if and where `save-off` / `save-on` are stored? Doesn't seem to be in server.properties or level.dat. Do I need to turn it off every boot? 16:04 < jast> I'd guess so... I think it's mostly designed for temporary use when you want to backup the world 16:07 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.254.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 16:07 < pbunny> i have some weird problems with 0x23 (entity headlook) packet 16:07 < pbunny> player's head just can't show up right 16:08 < pbunny> is the wiki correct? 16:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:16 < pbunny> weird.. when i send 0x23 later, it's fine. but not after 0x14 16:16 < pbunny> though i send the same value as yaw 16:17 < pbunny> what is the right time to send first 0x23 of player to another player when the latter joins? 16:18 < pbunny> if i sent 0x23 right after 0x14, head stays unturned (yaw 0), regardless of yaw of the body (which is correctly sent in 0x14) 16:18 < pbunny> when i send it later (i.e. when player turns) it's fine 16:21 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:24 < pbunny> and if i don't send headlook packet after 0x14, head is at yaw 0 anyway 16:24 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 16:54 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:04 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:10 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has joined #mcdevs 17:13 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:22 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:56 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 19:13 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@77.117.246.14.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:14 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.254.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:41 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:45 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 20:09 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:17 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 20:52 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@83.177.171.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12 -!- dreadiscool [4426ea35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.38.234.53] has joined #mcdevs 21:13 < dreadiscool> I'm trying to write a client for Minecraft, and I'm getting stuck on this part 21:13 < dreadiscool> Enabling AES encryption 21:13 < dreadiscool> Is the key for the AES the shared secret that the client generates? 21:13 < dreadiscool> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption 21:13 < dreadiscool> First time dealing with network crypto :3 21:14 < Gregor> Yes. 21:17 < dreadiscool> Yeah, the 16 byte long shared secret that the client generates, right? 21:18 < Gregor> Yes. 21:19 < Gregor> It also uses it as the initialization vector, which is one of those things that sounds like a bad idea and probably is. 21:19 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:76e5:bff:fe22:870a] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20 < dreadiscool> Initialization vector? 21:20 < dreadiscool> What is that? 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[Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a48573a - Added 13w04a packets 17:39 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn e3b1eae - Updated packet and field names to reflect use 17:39 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 13be25b - Completed update to 1.5 pre-release 17:39 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7404dc9 - Added scoreboard management to Craft.Net.Server 17:39 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn d4585dc - Added team support 17:41 -!- act4_ [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has joined #mcdevs 17:43 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@213-33-16-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 17:45 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/H59Vfw 17:45 < Not-001> [PartyCraft] SirCmpwn 645a4f3 - Update to 1.5 17:45 -!- act4_ [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 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#mcdevs 19:32 < ashka> hello there, I just had a little question about the minecraft protocol 19:32 < ashka> how does the packets ends ? 19:33 <+ammar2> unfortunately packets don't really end, you'll have to parse them from end to end 19:33 <+ammar2> as in, parse them according to their format as listed on the wiki 19:34 < ashka> oh, okay. thanks 19:49 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has quit [Quit: Reboot, network failure, or data center explosion] 19:55 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@184.171.171.26] has joined #mcdevs 19:55 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@184.171.171.26] has quit [Changing host] 19:55 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has joined #mcdevs 20:00 -!- fortytwo [~thomas@who.let.this.bloody.dropbear.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:09 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14 -!- fortytwo 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isn't much work ;-) 21:23 < ashka> oh it needs that 21:23 < ashka> okay 21:34 <+md_5> ashka http://wiki.vg/Pre-release_protocol 21:34 <+md_5> Some1 please port over 21:34 <+md_5> I'm in a real rush 21:47 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:50 < ashka> just some silly question about here : http://mc.kev009.com/Server_List_Ping / is every character separated with NUL because of UCS-2 string ? 22:02 < edk> ammar2, you around? 22:08 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/5zJIJQ 22:08 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] ammaraskar b270852 - Fix stair orientation (closes #146) 22:10 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/9MZU0Q 22:10 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b9f5d58 - Made stair up/down orientation use cursor position 22:24 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:24 -!- GameMakerGm 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it gave up on snapshots after 13w05a, but atleast it found the pre-release 23:09 < ashka> mmh, yet another silly question about packets -- how are fields separated ? analyzing a 0x02 (handshake) with wireshark would suggest that it's NUL NUL, but at some point there is NUL DC1(hex 11) NUL 23:10 < ashka> maybe this hex 11 is part of something, but I can't find anything on the protocol page or the pre-release protocol page 23:11 <+clonejo> ashka: There are no field seperators, you have to know the lengths in advance. 23:12 < ashka> clonejo, but how do I do that for unknown length strings from the client ? 23:12 < SinZ> a string is a short, and byte-array 23:12 < ashka> (like in that very handshake where I don't know the username) 23:13 <+ammar2> as stated in the data types a string is prefixed by a short dictating its length 23:15 < ashka> oh, derp 23:15 < ashka> thanks 23:25 -!- inkoate [~inkoate@li534-222.members.linode.com] has joined #mcdevs 23:39 < inkoate> Where does the "Server 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Am I missing where in the wiki that is? 23:42 <+Fador> inkoate: you just use some random string 23:42 < inkoate> oh... so it changes each type the server starts? 23:45 <+Fador> I don't really know how vanilla does it but..yes =) 23:47 < inkoate> got it... thanks very much. :) 23:50 < edk> ammar2, back now 23:50 < edk> you still about? 23:50 <+ammar2> yar 23:50 < edk> am i right in thinking you're a logblock developer? 23:50 <+ammar2> you are correct 23:51 < edk> unless you have an official channel I haven't noticed and isn't on espernet, do you have any idea offhand why logblock would work fine, but clearlog would throw mysql permission denied exceptions? 23:51 <+ammar2> #logblock, esper 23:52 <+ammar2> clearlog needs delete permissions on the db 23:52 < edk> balls 23:52 < edk> i hate connecting to that bouncer 23:52 < edk> it has every permission except for grant 23:52 < edk> but i'll connect there 23:55 -!- bobness1 [~silver@c-71-236-226-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Day changed jeu. mars 14 2013 00:26 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 00:59 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C502.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 01:01 -!- Dinnerbone [~dinnerbon@i.could.have.had.any.host.but.i.decided.on.dinnerbone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03 -!- Dinnerbone [~dinnerbon@i.could.have.had.any.host.but.i.decided.on.dinnerbone.com] has joined #mcdevs 01:12 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:45 -!- clonejo is now known as clonejo|offline 01:52 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 01:56 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 02:13 -!- DavidEGrayson [~David@nv-71-48-47-15.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:51 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@24.134.54.53] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 02:59 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 02:59 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 03:19 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 03:24 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:32 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:38 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/D4enDw 03:44 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum 5f6abad - 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I'm getting a lot of trouble with the RSA key, the client saying stuff like "java.security.InvalidKeyException: IOException: Detect premature EOF" 11:08 <+Fador> ashka: what language are you using? 11:09 < ashka> Fador, php. :° 11:09 < ashka> I guess my key is in the wrong format, I've just seen some stuff related to X509 11:09 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/include/protocol.h#L56 <- 0xfd packet generator 11:10 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/mineserver.cpp#L315 <- and this is how I get the key 11:10 < ashka> oh you made that, I was browsing your code atm 11:10 <+Fador> =) 11:10 < ashka> just seen that you made a RSA key then did x509 stuff 11:12 < ashka> btw Fador, what does your pubkey looks like at line 315 of your mineserver.cpp ? does it has BEGIN/END headers at this time ? 11:12 <+Fador> I don't think it has those 11:13 <+Fador> I used something like http://lapo.it/asn1js/ to decode the ASN.1 format key I got and figured I have to remove some bytes to get the format minecraft wants =D 11:14 < ashka> mmh, okay... just a silly question, I guess there is no way to not send a key with the vanilla client? 11:15 <+Fador> well... 11:16 < ashka> I tried sending right away others packets, but it looks like the vanilla client really waits for a valid 0xfd 11:16 <+Fador> just respond with a login request to the handshake (0x02) 11:17 <+Fador> but you can't do authentication and you have to send "-" as the server ID 11:22 < ashka> Fador, you mean like, I send 0xFD with - as server id, and everything NUL then ? 11:25 < ashka> mmh, the client still try to get a key 11:26 <+Fador> oh right..well you don't send 0xFD at all ;D 11:26 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/packets.cpp#L609 11:30 < ashka> Fador, that changes the error message at least D: 11:30 < ashka> when I send the 0x01 the client says it got a string longer than expected (100>16) 11:30 < ashka> yet I don't even send 100 data bytes 11:30 < ashka> and the length of the level type is well defined 11:34 < ashka> (packet screenie http://puu.sh/2htLx/24c3be9b62 ) 11:34 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 11:35 <+Fador> your entity ID is only two bytes? 11:36 <+Fador> 00 b1 -> 00 00 00 b1 11:36 < ashka> mmh, let me fix that 11:36 < ashka> okat that's "better" 11:36 < ashka> got now 1792 > 16 11:37 < ashka> oh ! 11:37 < ashka> works 11:37 < ashka> got the downloading terrain screen 11:37 <+Fador> yeah, endianness issue ;) 11:37 <+Fador> =) 11:37 < ashka> and sadly discovering there's no cancel button on that one 11:38 < ashka> oh okay it times out eventually 11:42 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:42 < ashka> client sending 0x0B before the terrain isn't even ready. 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link looks to the program like a normal file or directory, but it reads from wherever it is linking to 23:32 < dreadiscool> kewl 23:32 < dreadiscool> thanks 23:32 < dreadiscool> :D 23:33 < mappum> if you ever need to sound pro, that is called a symbolic link 23:33 -!- act4 [81ea52f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.234.82.244] has quit [Client Quit] 23:33 < dreadiscool> :P thanks for your help (: 23:34 < mappum> np :) 23:35 < dreadiscool> Just to clarify, so I don't mess something up D: 23:35 < dreadiscool> if I had /home/A and I wanted to point /home/B to a 23:35 < dreadiscool> i would type 23:35 < dreadiscool> ln -s /home/A /home/B 23:35 < dreadiscool> right? 23:35 < mappum> yep 23:36 < dreadiscool> Thanks, it worked 23:36 < dreadiscool> :D 23:36 < mappum> :D 23:36 < mappum> symbolic links are super handy 23:37 -!- clonejo is now known as clonejo|offline 23:38 -!- Grum [~grum@irc.grum.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41 -!- Grum [~grum@irc.grum.nl] has joined #mcdevs 23:54 < dreadiscool> Thanks, it worked like a charm :D 23:54 < dreadiscool> How do I remove a file link thouhg, for future reference? 23:55 < [z]2> rm whatever 23:57 < dreadiscool> Won't that remove the original folder? D: --- Day changed sam. mars 16 2013 00:00 < [z]2> no 00:04 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 00:12 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21 < Stormx2> hey Grum, would it be difficult to make the "blindness" potion effect affected by the stength multiplier? 00:21 < Stormx2> I think it's just on/off at the moment 00:23 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 00:30 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:54 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:57 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 00:57 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 01:03 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:31 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@24.134.54.53] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:38 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5483C67A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 02:42 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:35 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 04:14 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 04:14 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 04:16 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 04:44 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Client Quit] 04:45 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 05:10 -!- alta [~alta189@108.174.58.157] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 05:10 -!- Zidane [~NinjaZida@108.174.58.157] has quit [Quit: Like a ninja...poof! 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16:50 < Darker> Hello hello, is there anybody else out there? 16:51 < Darker> Could anyone give me a hand with inital login sequence to mincraft server? 16:51 < Darker> I'm stuck at 0xFD packet 16:53 < Darker> Could anyone give me a hand with inital login sequence to mincraft server? 16:53 < Darker> I'm stuck at 0xFD packet 16:54 < buttscicles> is there an echo in here? 16:58 < Darker> what is echo? 16:58 < Darker> Or was that a joke about me, posting message 2 times? 17:06 < Darker> Could anyone give me a hand with inital login sequence to mincraft server? 17:06 < Darker> I'm stuck at 0xFD packet 17:12 < edk> stop bloody spamming 17:13 < edk> if you can spare the time, read http://mcdevs.org/irc/rules#general-rules 17:13 < Darker> Please take my apologies, but since there is no chat 17:13 < Darker> I doubt my spam (i agree it is spam anyway) may be bothering anybody 17:14 < Darker> I have read the rules 17:14 < edk> well, it's irritating to see activity somewhere and then it turns out it's just a question being asked for the nth time 17:14 < Darker> I have read your wiki too 17:15 <+Fador> Darker: so what's the problem with 0xfd packet? 17:15 < Darker> I don't know what data to expect, and it is very suspitious, that I get 1 as "server id" string length 17:16 <+Fador> the server ID can be "-", meaning it's not using authentication 17:17 < Darker> ah, yea, that is what I get 17:17 < Darker> But then I get negative number for the array of bytes - and I thikn that is where I am out of sync. 17:18 < Darker> I'll share some readable output, just must clean it first :) 17:19 < Darker> http://pastebin.com/aMFuMxeb 17:21 < Darker> After failing to read verification code arrays, I tried to use socket timeout, read till server sends data and then send 0xCD and 0 to get spawned 17:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-0/±0] http://git.io/kGsTKw 17:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum 169fa1c - Added benchmark script 17:21 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 d335243 - Merge pull request #46 from mappum/master Added benchmark script 17:23 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 17:25 < Darker> So it seems that I need to understand the folowing data anyway, to have some chance to guess where I've lost the sync 17:25 <+Fador> you might want to print out the bytes you're receiving.. 17:26 <+Fador> at least that's what I would do ;) 17:27 <+Fador> what datatype are you using with the array length? 17:28 < Darker> short, just like is advised in docs 17:28 <+Fador> ok 17:28 < Darker> I read two bytes, convert to C++ integer (aware of endianity problem) and I get -92 17:30 < Darker> Printing all the bytes is no problem, but unless I can search some pattern within them (a pack of zeros for example) 17:30 < Darker> I cannot guess what all the numbers means 17:30 < Darker> This is why I came to ask, what values should I expect. 17:31 <+Fador> well those should be positive numbers at least ;) 17:32 < Darker> i think so. Have you any clue on length of the "public key"? I think it should be less than 255, so the actual number will have 0 before it 17:38 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 17:40 <+Fador> it seems I got 160 bytes when I generated 1024-bit key 17:48 < Darker> I get less data even with the other key 17:49 < Darker> I'll have to win my little battle with compilation errors before I find out more 17:53 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:06 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 18:18 < Darker> So, after the string, I get: "Another 170 unknown bytes read." 18:18 < Darker> I get this data using 0.5 seccond socket timeout 18:19 < Darker> once Bukkit starts waiting for data, the timeout times out and I know I passed this socket 18:49 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has joined #mcdevs 19:13 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:25 < Darker> Does anyone have an idea, what is correct value of disconnect (0xFF) packet? 19:25 < Darker> Currently, I'm building parser of server packets 19:25 < Darker> and when I occur to receive packet with inknown ID I want to disconnect properly 19:28 <+Fador> I don't think the "reason" matters 19:28 <+Fador> but clients are using "Quitting" as the value it seems 19:34 <+SpaceManiac> TkTech: found a Jawa bug, not sure how you want it so http://pastie.org/6574433 19:44 < Darker> Throws End of stream error anyway. Do I have to accept some reply for 0xFF before I close the socket_ 19:44 < Darker> ? 19:46 <+Fador> Darker: I think the server should close connection after receiving the packet 19:47 < Darker> Then it is not fast enough. I'll try to add sleep(500) to see what happens 19:47 < Darker> But anyway, it seems I'm out of sync again :( 19:48 < Darker> I'm getting packets that doesn't exist 19:50 < Darker> Yeah, sleep() fixed the issue, I now get disconnect.quitting instead of disconnect.endOfStream 19:53 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 20:01 -!- Jailout20002 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 20:03 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:04 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:04 -!- Jailout20002 is now known as Jailout2000 20:04 -!- zack6849|Offline [~Zack@unaffiliated/maxibyte] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12 -!- zack6849|Offline [~Zack@zack6849.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:18 < Darker> Guys, can anyone think of a way to ignore 0x68 packet - inventory slot update? 20:18 < Darker> I don't want to parse it now, but I can't figure out how to compute its length 20:21 -!- example6 [example6@c-107-3-168-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:22 < example6> Hey guys, I didn't know where else to ask. Is the 20:22 < example6> fak 20:22 < example6> missing texture texture--the one for locked chest--programmatically assigned and therefore not able to be changed? I am unable to find it inside the .jar 20:23 < Darker> as far as I know, it can be reskined 20:23 < Darker> on my server it serves for protection area purposes and I think it had different skin 20:24 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24 < example6> Before 1.5 yes, it used part of the emerald texture and the purple blank thing for missing texture 20:24 < example6> but now it uses a white image that is more than 16x16 leading me to believe that it's just coded into the client and unchangeable 20:25 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 20:52 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 21:32 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43 < Darker> Hey, how is the slot number defined, when server updates inventory contents_ 21:43 < Darker> ? 21:43 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Thanks, can you toss that on the issue tracker? 21:43 <+SpaceManiac> Sure 21:43 < Darker> In docs, I read: "The structure consists of at least a short, which gives the item/block ID" - so where is the slot number? 21:43 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: I'm traveling today and tomorrow, won't be able to commit until Sunday night 21:44 < Darker> Or does the server need to send all slots to update one? 21:51 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:54 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has joined #mcdevs 22:48 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49 -!- example6 [example6@c-107-3-168-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50 -!- example6 [example6@c-107-3-168-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:16 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 23:19 < Not-001> [SMProxy] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/D23ReQ 23:19 < Not-001> [SMProxy] SirCmpwn 20d37ca - Update Craft.Net 23:38 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] --- Day changed dim. mars 17 2013 00:32 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 00:32 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:32 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 00:33 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:17 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-169-157-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:17 -!- TomyLobo2 [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 01:17 -!- TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 01:58 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: I lied; what branch/version? 01:59 <+SpaceManiac> TkTech: master, freshly pip'd 02:06 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Committed a slightly different fix. <3 for the issue. 02:06 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Doing anything fun? 02:06 <+SpaceManiac> Just messing around right now 02:06 <+SpaceManiac> I'll let you know, though :P 02:08 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B252B20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 02:09 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 02:19 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:20 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: If I'm not around and you have something you want/find something broken/think it could be done differently, just go ticket nuts 02:20 <+SpaceManiac> Alright 02:46 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 02:55 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:55 -!- Gregor [codu@codu.org] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 02:56 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 02:56 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 02:59 -!- Gregor [codu@codu.org] has joined #mcdevs 02:59 -!- Gregor is now known as Guest75143 03:02 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:15 -!- Guest75143 is now known as Gregor 04:08 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: Looks like my patch request finally made it into pypy 04:08 < TkTech> SpaceManiac: So Jawa should run on it quite fine 04:09 < TkTech> (Two years after reporting it ;/) 04:15 <+SpaceManiac> heh 04:16 <+AndrewPH> woohoo \:D/ 04:16 < TkTech> I don't know why it took two years, it broke so many things. 04:16 < TkTech> Anything depending on ZipFile was borked 04:16 < TkTech> https://bugs.pypy.org/issue912 04:27 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 04:31 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 05:04 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 05:04 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 05:04 -!- dreadiscool [4426ea35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.38.234.53] has joined #mcdevs 05:04 < dreadiscool> I think that login protocol has changed from 1.4 to 1.5 D: 05:05 < dreadiscool> I had a working bot that could login to servers in 1.4 05:05 < dreadiscool> After 1.5 came out, it is hanging on waiting for the 0xFD after sending the login request 05:05 < dreadiscool> I already updated the protocol version from 51 to 60 05:05 < dreadiscool> And according to the wiki, that's the only thing that's changed 05:06 < dreadiscool> Has the login request packet changed but not been updated? 05:22 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 05:25 < dreadiscool> Ermygawd 05:25 < dreadiscool> :L 05:25 < dreadiscool> Did the 0x02 packet change? 05:25 < dreadiscool> I think that it's messed up somehow D: 05:26 < Scryptonite> Do you have any network data? Or is your application just throwing an error that something is wrong with 0x02? 05:27 -!- Nimbus [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 05:27 < dreadiscool> There is no error 05:28 < dreadiscool> My application worked with 1.4, and could log in successfuly 05:28 < dreadiscool> After sending the 0x02 packet, the server never sends the 0xfd encryption packet 05:28 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 05:28 < Scryptonite> It just disconnects you? 05:28 < dreadiscool> Nope, it hangs 05:28 < dreadiscool> It leaves the connection open 05:29 < dreadiscool> For shiggles, I appended a 0x00 after sending the 0x02 packet 05:29 < dreadiscool> Nothing 05:29 < dreadiscool> Then, I appened 2 0x00 bytes 05:29 < dreadiscool> Still nothing 05:29 < dreadiscool> I also tried it with 4 05:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 05:29 < dreadiscool> But still, nothing 05:29 < dreadiscool> The server appears to be waiting for something 05:29 < Scryptonite> So send 00's until it does something, see how long it takes. 05:29 < dreadiscool> kk 05:30 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:32 < dreadiscool> After it sends the 3rd 0x00 protocol error 0_o 05:34 < dreadiscool> Here's a snippet 05:34 < dreadiscool> http://pastie.org/6578334 05:34 < Scryptonite> Huh. Well your guess would be as good as mine. 05:34 < dreadiscool> I get the message "Expecting teh 0xfd" 05:34 < dreadiscool> But never "finished early" or any other message 05:34 < dreadiscool> that comes after 05:41 -!- dreadiscool [4426ea35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.38.234.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:53 -!- XAMPP_ [~XAMPP@199.254.116.102] has quit [Quit: My code has no bug's, just random features] 05:54 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has joined #mcdevs 06:31 < example6> Hey guys, is the 'missing texture' texture unavailable to be changed? I can't seem to find it. Is it programmatically made? 06:32 < SinZ> This channel is generally isn't for modding 06:32 < example6> I wasn't really sure where else to ask 06:32 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 06:33 < SinZ> most likely programmically made though, as its when files cant be accessed 06:33 < example6> hmm, ok thanks 06:58 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:56 < pbunny> wtf? client sends bizzare yaw values 07:57 < pbunny> i.e. at beginning it's 0 which is fine 07:57 < pbunny> then if i turn around multiple times it just keeps decreasing 07:57 < pbunny> up to values like -2518 etc 07:58 < pbunny> pitch is always from -90 to 90 degrees, but that's because i can't turn around by pitch 07:59 < pbunny> ah, its on the wiki - "Additionally, yaw is not clamped to between 0 and 360 degrees; any number is valid, including negative numbers and numbers greater than 360. 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I mean, what should client send to server to shoot an arrow. 18:24 < Darker> I'm trying to make an "artilery bot" 18:29 < Darker> Is it done using Player Digging (0x0E) ? 18:30 < Darker> And if so, where do I put the charge information? 18:30 < Darker> And does it have a cooldown, or the cooldown is just client thing? 18:32 < Darker> Does anyone know how to parse byte representation of java Float and Double? 18:32 < Darker> I do not understand float type at all 18:35 <+Fador> arrows are shot using Spawn Object (0x17) packet 18:37 <+Fador> and you were using C++? 18:37 <+Fador> so you can just take the float/double bytearray, swap the bytes (depending on endianness of the system) and cast the array to float/double 18:40 -!- Vazde [vazde@dea.fi] has joined #mcdevs 18:41 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 18:41 < Darker> Thank you, I'll try it :) 18:43 < Darker> But I'm not sure how to cast char[8] to double. Maybe double*... 18:46 <+Fador> sure, just: double value = *((double*)(&char[0])); or something ;) 18:48 < Darker> 0x17 seems to be only server to client. Even if wiki was wrong - the 1 value is entity ID and it would be exploitable to let 18:48 < Darker> client set entity ID as he wants 18:50 <+Fador> on right, I'm thinking all server stuff ;D 18:51 <+Fador> I think you just select the item from your inventory and "right click"... 18:51 < Darker> So the charge would b calculated server side? 18:51 < Darker> So bad... :( 18:51 < Darker> I hoped to try machine gun, until I find out how to move my character 18:58 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has joined #mcdevs 18:58 < Darker> Damn, I should've cast all the types like you do, instead of writing classes for them 19:02 -!- act4 [56875ebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.94.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03 < Darker> Do I have to check other than Player Position and Look (0x0D) to know my position? 19:15 < Darker> Please, does anyone have some good concept on how to implement the client in OOP? 19:15 < Darker> I mean - what classes should I do, if entities should parse their packets or if I should make some parser class 19:16 < Darker> how to transfer data between threads (receiver, sender and player) 19:36 < eddyb> Fador: &char[0] is char, isn't it... 19:36 < eddyb> maybe const could cause problems? 19:36 <+Fador> ..it's a pointer to the beginning of the char array 19:37 < eddyb> yes 19:37 < eddyb> the char array is a pointer by itself 19:37 <+Fador> I know ;) 19:37 <+Fador> so you can just replace "&char[0]" with "char" 19:37 <+Fador> but I was thinking it doesn't look right ;) 19:38 < eddyb> that's what I'm saying 19:39 < eddyb> Darker: I suggest looking at libmcnet. also, strict OOP is too bloated 19:41 < Darker> "bloated"? What does it mean? 19:41 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:42 < eddyb> Darker: you're going to write loads of useless code 19:42 < eddyb> well, semi-useless 19:42 < eddyb> C++ is not as bad as Java for this, but it's still not perfect 19:42 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178-190-79-3.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 < Darker> With all respects, I cannot think of better language to make compiled programs... 19:43 < eddyb> "compiled" 19:43 < eddyb> you think too much of performance 19:43 < Darker> As a matter of fact, I do! 19:44 < eddyb> good luck figuring a way to not write tons of code 19:45 < Darker> I bet you'd use javascript :P 19:45 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.248.187.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:45 < Darker> Or maybe, you are talking about Python? 19:45 < eddyb> JS, although I'm using ES6 at the moment via traceur-compiler 19:45 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 19:45 < eddyb> Darker: https://github.com/deoxxa/libmcnet/blob/master/include/mcnet/packets.h 19:46 < eddyb> Darker: I came up with the idea - I actually had my packet definitions like that for minecraft before he wrote the library 19:47 < Darker> Is there an implementation of theese packets? 19:47 < eddyb> Darker: that list generates structures, parse code and generate code for every packet 19:47 < Darker> oh, well, seems I already wrote some useless code :D 19:47 < eddyb> Darker: yeah, libmcnet is fully functional 19:47 < eddyb> that's why I told you to look at it 19:47 < edk> eddyb, "good" C++ is as bad 19:48 < edk> non-good C++ isn't as bad because you can break the rules when required 19:49 < eddyb> Darker: this is enough to generate all the structs out of that list: https://github.com/deoxxa/libmcnet/blob/master/include/mcnet/structs.h 19:49 < eddyb> edk: good C++ is the the right balance between strict code and hacks 19:49 < eddyb> I would love more optional metaprogramming tools 19:50 < eddyb> in JS I can generate very specific code when I need it first, then use it every time 19:50 < Darker> I thought it was JS you had on mind 19:51 < eddyb> Darker: https://github.com/deoxxa/libmcnet/blob/master/src/parser.c and this is the parser code 19:52 < Darker> Its all very short... 19:52 < eddyb> yes 19:52 < eddyb> because of me :) 19:52 < Darker> I think there is some trick I don't get... 19:53 < Darker> Well, I see tons of compiler commands, but some things, like metadata or item slots are parsed dynamically... 19:53 < eddyb> they are preprocessor directives 19:53 < Darker> I know, I just used wrong name for them :) I'm new to C++ 19:54 < eddyb> they are used to expand simple definitions to useful code in different instances 19:55 < Darker> wow, I can't even find out, how to use it. Now I see how much I will have to learn 19:56 < eddyb> Darker: https://github.com/deoxxa/libmcnet/ scroll down for README 19:56 < Darker> I did 19:56 < Darker> already reading it 19:58 < Darker> on_error is called in different thread? 19:58 < eddyb> Darker: forget threads 19:58 < eddyb> they are useless in this case 19:58 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59 < Darker> well, I thought that sending and receiving are asynchronous 19:59 < eddyb> Darker: PACKET(1F, INT(eid) BYTE(x) BYTE(y) BYTE(z)) // that becomes struct mcnet_packet_1F_s {uint8_t pid; int32_t eid; int8_t x; int8_t x; int8_t y; int8_t z;}; when PACKET, INT, BYTE, and other things are properly defined 19:59 < Darker> Hey, thank you. I'll donwnload it and try it. My code is horrible anyway, I need something better 19:59 < eddyb> Darker: it's just a parsing library 20:00 < eddyb> Darker: whenever you send data to it, you might get called from the parse function if a complete packet has been parsed 20:02 < Darker> Why do all libraries need that cmake? :( 20:02 < Darker> You know... Instead of just including them... 20:03 < eddyb> derp 20:03 < eddyb> you can just include them 20:04 < Darker> Please don't get upset. Don't tell me there wasn't day you didn't understand C++ :P 20:04 < Darker> Imagine explaining it to your mum :P 20:05 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 20:08 < eddyb> I'm not upset, I'm just trying to point stuff up :) 20:10 < eddyb> s/up/out 20:10 < eddyb> I'm quite tired myself 20:20 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 20:20 < Darker> That trick with casting char[8] to double does not work unfortunatelly 20:21 < Darker> I get some veird numbers, but without understanding double format, I can't tell if they are wrong, or treat them badly 20:21 < eddyb> Darker: a union is a bit safer 20:22 < eddyb> *an 20:22 < Darker> "union"? Sorry, again, I don't know what it is... 20:22 < eddyb> it's like a struct, but all elements start at the beginning 20:24 < eddyb> union bytes_or_double {char bytes[8]; double as_double;}; 20:25 < eddyb> bytes_or_double *foo = reinterpret_cast(some_pointer_to_some_bytes); foo->bytes will have the original bytes and as_double will have the double value 20:25 < eddyb> I've described it messier than it is in actual code 20:25 < eddyb> Darker: can I see your code? maybe you're doing something wrong. only the part where you have chars and doubles is important 20:26 < Darker> I believe I'm doing lot of things wrong :) 20:26 < Darker> I'll paste it somewhere 20:26 < eddyb> https://gist.github.com 20:26 <+Fador> Darker: you did fix the endianness before casting to double? 20:26 < eddyb> oh lol 20:27 < Darker> yeah, I've made very funny function to do it 20:27 < eddyb> I forgot, in node.js you can just do .readDoubleBE for big-endian 20:27 < Darker> I eve checked it 20:27 < Darker> node.js is not javascript library? 20:27 < eddyb> node.js is the most imporant JS platform ever 20:27 < Scryptonite> It is a JavaScript environment. 20:28 < eddyb> the buffer module has a Buffer class that has read/write methods for both endiannesses 20:32 < Darker> Oh, I just recalled what it is 20:33 < Darker> its that library for the guys who love javascript too much :P 20:33 < Darker> Sometimes I thought of using it, because javascript is my primary language 20:33 < eddyb> it's not a library 20:33 < Darker> well yeah, whatever 20:33 < eddyb> you're probably thinking of jQuery or something 20:34 < Darker> Nope 20:34 < eddyb> primary as in 0th? 20:34 < Darker> 0th? 20:34 < Darker> Its the first I learned and the one I'm best with 20:34 < Scryptonite> Array's in JS start with 0. 20:35 < Darker> :D 20:35 < eddyb> they do in every sane language, that wasn't the joke 20:35 < Darker> sorry, didn't get it :) 20:35 < Darker> Well, yeah, even in some insane langs 20:35 < Darker> http://pastebin.com/kX8vS9qc 20:35 < Darker> sorry that it took so long 20:35 < eddyb> there's a templated swap function 20:36 < Darker> templated? 20:36 < eddyb> your loop does swap(arr[i], arr[i+1]) 20:36 < eddyb> you're treating the input as big-endian chunks of 16 bits 20:36 < eddyb> very wrong 20:36 < eddyb> no wonder decoding fails 20:36 < Darker> Now, I don't understand, sorry 20:37 < Darker> damn, damn 20:37 < eddyb> in big endian a certain group of bytes is in the inverse order 20:37 < Darker> something is wrong, you're right 20:37 < Darker> But how do I access 8 bits? 20:37 < eddyb> derp 20:38 < eddyb> there's no way to change the entire packet to little endian 20:38 < eddyb> you have to do it for every thing you read 20:38 < Darker> I'm not doing that! 20:38 < Darker> I only swap what is to be swapped! 20:38 < eddyb> ok then 20:38 < Darker> I call my swap function for each (double) 20:38 <+Fador> you have to swap the last byte with the first and so on 20:38 < eddyb> for(int i = 0; i < length/2; i++) swap(arr[i], arr[length-i-1]); 20:39 < eddyb> Darker: ^^ that should be the swapping loop 20:39 < Darker> Well, that is what I did wrong. I swaped bytes next to each other 20:39 < Darker> I'm tired too 20:39 < Darker> forgot what endianity means :D 20:39 < Darker> by the way, where does double store the floating point position? 20:40 <+Fador> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-precision_floating-point_format 20:48 < Darker> Man...! It works :) 20:48 < Darker> thank you so much :) 20:48 < eddyb> np 20:49 < eddyb> btw, that function is highly inefficient 20:49 < Darker> why? 20:49 < eddyb> unless the compiler unrolls the loop and sees you're doing endianness conversion 20:50 < Darker> And that can be done faster? 20:50 < Darker> I only can think of telling the system to start reading from the other side. And that is impossible I guess 20:51 < Darker> I think I just found an error on the wiki 20:52 < Darker> They say: "When this packet is sent from the server, the 'Y' and 'Stance' fields are swapped. " 20:52 < Darker> Normal order is X,Y,Stance,Z 20:52 < Darker> Swaped would be X,Y,Z,Stance 20:53 < Darker> I have to skip 8 bytes after reading Y - so the normal order is the one the server uses 20:54 < eddyb> for 32bits (an int): (x >> 24) | (x >> 8) & 0xff00 | (x << 8) & 0xff0000 | (x << 24) 20:54 < eddyb> if I got that right, that expression will be converted to a single bswap instruction on x86 20:56 < eddyb> dammit the llvm demo is disabled 20:59 < Darker> But this is something you cannot expect me to understand :D 20:59 < eddyb> Darker: gcc does this optimization on -O2 20:59 < Darker> Well, I'm on windows, and what worse, in VC++ 20:59 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:59 < eddyb> bswap %eax; for: echo 'int main(int x) {return (x >> 24) | (x >> 8) & 0xff00 | (x << 8) & 0xff0000 | (x << 24);}' | gcc -x c -o test.s -S -O2 - 20:59 -!- kev009_ [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has joined #mcdevs 20:59 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v kev009_] by ChanServ 20:59 < eddyb> Darker: that's suicidal 20:59 < Darker> because failed to compile boost for MinGW 21:00 < eddyb> you don't really need boost for this. and there should be a compiled version already 21:00 < Darker> I need the program to be 100% windows/linux compatible 21:00 < eddyb> seriously, programming on windows is a sin 21:00 < eddyb> Darker: then work on linux and use mingw to crosscompile things for windows 21:01 < Darker> My laptop has windows and I use them more 21:01 < Darker> for linux programing, I used debian in virtual PC 21:01 < Darker> It means no problem, but I cannot copy-paste so easily then 21:02 < eddyb> Darker: heh, debian, do you get gcc version 4.7.2 20130108 there? 21:02 < Darker> :D 21:02 < eddyb> I know debian is behind with versions 21:03 < Darker> I don't even know the main number of the version 21:03 <+Fador> gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 21:03 < Darker> I used it to create server and that is half a year ago 21:03 <+Fador> current stable ;) 21:03 < eddyb> I think that gcc version is the release version (basically very old and more than stable) for the latest openSUSE release 21:03 < eddyb> Fador: wtf that's years old 21:03 < eddyb> at least two 21:03 < Darker> But I think you'd like the project I was doing back then 21:03 < eddyb> that's not stable, that's ancient 21:04 <+Fador> well..ofc that depends on the age of the viewer =b 21:05 < eddyb> I was using 4.7 more than an year ago 21:05 < eddyb> back then it was turning stable 21:06 < Darker> But its true that in linux, everything was way easier 21:06 < eddyb> Fador: GCC 4.4.5 October 1, 2010 21:06 < Darker> like sockets and threads (my favorite topic) 21:07 < eddyb> threads are evil 21:07 < eddyb> at least the traditional ones 21:07 < Darker> Omg, I feel so guilty, when I now opened the debian 21:07 < Darker> and saw the code I've left months ago 21:07 < Darker> abandoned :D 21:08 < Darker> Still here, waiting to be fixed 21:08 < eddyb> Darker: node.js is async and works on windows, linux, mac osx and on some ARM devices (as long as there's a port) 21:08 < Darker> I'm sure about that 21:09 < Darker> So evel that satan must feel ashamed 21:09 < Darker> *evil 21:09 < Darker> But I still have a pride :D 21:10 < eddyb> so stable is 4.7 21:10 < eddyb> latest gcc47 is 4.7.2_20130205 21:11 < Darker> Do I have to send my position when I'm still? 21:13 < eddyb> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=devel%3Agcc&package=cross-aarch64-gcc48-icecream-backend that's confusing... I think someone wanted to make the ultimate gcc cross-compiler 21:14 < eddyb> and it's 4.8.0_20130308 (9 days ago) which is a decent up-to-date "unstable" version 21:14 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:24 < eddyb> oh, this is nice, even better install progress in this latest zypper version 21:28 <+AndrewPH> I wonder if somebody's made a linux distro where it installed the unstable versions of old software. 21:28 <+AndrewPH> installs even 21:50 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:30 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178-190-46-124.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 22:33 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.248.187.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:47 -!- act4 [56b0260b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.176.38.11] has joined #mcdevs 22:48 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:50 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 22:53 < Darker> I still don't understand that "absolute integer" 22:53 < edk> Darker: node.js is async and works on windows, linux, mac osx and on some ARM devices (as long as there's a port) 22:53 < edk> anything works on any device, as long as there's a port 22:54 < Darker> ikr 22:55 < Darker> You are not first to recomend me node.js 22:56 < inkoate> What are the reasons that session.minecraft.com would send a client to my server a "Bad Login" response? 22:56 < Darker> Wrong password is one even I can figure out 22:57 < edk> That would be the login server 22:57 < inkoate> Yeah, this is encryption related, I'm thinking. 22:57 < edk> session returns bad login if you don't give it a proper (logged in) session id, iirc 22:57 < inkoate> the client I'm using is vanilla minecraft, the server I'm writing. 22:58 < inkoate> so its almost certainly something in the FD packet I'm sending. 22:58 < edk> oh right, misread 23:00 < Darker> Is there some legitimate way how to figure out protocol version? 23:00 < Darker> When I was trying to send login packet to server 23:01 < Darker> I had to bruteforce the protocol version by sending multiple requests (and iterating version field) until the server accepted 23:01 < edk> it's sent in the new-style server list ping 23:01 < edk> s/ping/pong/ 23:02 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03 < Darker> You mean that one that is get before login? 23:04 < edk> well, it's in a separate exchange 23:04 < edk> but yes, before login 23:09 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:10 < inkoate> oh 23:10 < inkoate> huh, I restarted the minecraft client and it worked... got an FC response! 23:45 < Darker> Guys, if I store mob entiti IDs in array (vector), do I have to check if I already have this entity ID for Mob spawn packets? 23:46 < Darker> Does the server send Mob spawn multiple times for one mob? 23:54 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] --- Day changed lun. mars 18 2013 00:32 < Darker> So I found it out - seems there are no multiply sent mob IDs 00:46 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B253318.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 00:48 <+Amaranth> Darker: I _think_ that'll actually "crash" the client 00:48 <+Amaranth> But it might just remove the old mob and put in the new one 00:56 -!- act4 [56b0260b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.176.38.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:56 < Darker> I'm creating client, not server, but I still need to have only one of every ID in my array 00:56 < Darker> because its not complicated, I've implemented update of old member anyway 00:57 < Darker> Now I'm trying to auto attack close entities and its pain 01:04 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:08 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 01:45 < Darker> Attach Entity (0x27) seems to indicate players that are looking in their inventory 01:48 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-5/±3] http://git.io/0Bq-ug 01:49 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 143c041 - Axed NbtSerializer subproject. It wasn't as effective or efficient as expected. 01:49 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer c89e064 - Updated the changelog with additions from 0.5.0 02:03 <+Amaranth> Darker: afaik the client does not actually tell the server it opened its own inventory 02:04 <+Amaranth> Darker: It just tells it about updates to said inventory 02:04 < Darker> Maybe, I just see that I received that packet whenever the other character had open inventory (so that i could escape the window with mouse) 02:05 < Darker> I will test it more of course 02:24 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/CRLFoQ 02:24 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 4fb91bc - Updated readme, changelog, and doxyfile. 02:37 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/cz5WIg 02:37 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 44e3f20 - Fixed URLs in readme 02:38 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/OlFKgg 02:38 < Not-001> [fNbt] fragmer 2c85480 - Fixed URLs in readme... again... 02:41 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 02:41 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 02:41 <+Scootabyte> fNbt 0.5.0 done! https://github.com/fragmer/fNbt#readme 02:42 <+Scootabyte> (fNBT is a small library, written in C# for .NET 2.0+. 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11:51 < pbunny> if not, where can i see some list of furnace recipes with smelting time? 11:53 < pbunny> i don't have minecraft client (and time) to test them in single player 12:10 < SinZ> everything takes the same time 12:11 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 12:29 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 12:42 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 13:28 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 13:54 < pbunny> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Open_Window_.280x64.29 13:54 < pbunny> when did "Use provided window title " field appear? 13:54 < pbunny> iirc a couple of days ago it wasn't there 13:55 < pbunny> and it isn't needed for 1.4.7 client 13:55 <+Fador> they released 1.5 13:55 < pbunny> oh, ok 14:04 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 14:15 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@213-33-17-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 14:22 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 14:46 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 14:48 -!- edk is now known as edl 14:50 -!- edl is now known as edk 14:54 < pbunny> Fador: any way to see 'diff' between 1.4.7 and 1.5 protocol? 14:55 < pbunny> does wiki supports that? 14:55 <+Fador> http://wiki.vg/wiki/index.php?title=Pre-release_protocol&oldid=3662 14:59 < pbunny> thx 15:11 < pbunny> "When a connection has been closed by either party the other party will respond with at least 100 bytes, each having the same value. " - what is the purpose of that? o.o 15:11 < pbunny> also, how is it possible to respond anything on closed connection? :p 15:12 <+Fador> I don't do that and it works just fine ;) 15:12 < pbunny> yep, my tests show the same 15:12 < TobiX> pbunny: Burger Vitrine can give you an overview: http://b.wiki.vg/ ... 15:14 -!- Vazde [vazde@dea.fi] has left #mcdevs [] 15:22 -!- Morrolan [Morrolan@morrolan.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:23 -!- zh32 [nuthouse@vm1.zh32.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27 < inkoate> True or false: MC's hash function is annoying. 15:27 < inkoate> :) 15:27 -!- zh32 [nuthouse@212.224.126.62] has joined #mcdevs 15:27 -!- Morrolan [Morrolan@morrolan.ch] has joined #mcdevs 15:32 <+Fador> inkoate: http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption#Client this? 15:33 < inkoate> yeah 15:33 < inkoate> they couldn't just have used sha1? ;) 15:33 < inkoate> or, I mean, regular sha1 15:34 <+Fador> well they just used the java functions available.. ;) 15:34 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/user.cpp#L1410 15:34 <+Fador> it's not that hard to replicate 15:35 < inkoate> yeah, I'm trying, not succeeding yet. 15:35 < Stormx2> https://github.com/sadimusi/mc3p/blob/master/mc3p/authentication.py#L86 15:35 < Stormx2> That's sadimus-i's implementation 15:36 < Stormx2> fak I tried not to ping him but probably did anyway 15:38 < inkoate> huh, trying to parse that python, but I don't know what the "d >> 39 * 4 & 0x8" means. 15:40 <+Fador> he just checks the most-significant-bit for being "1" which means it's negative number and has to be handled 15:40 < inkoate> oh, ok 15:41 < inkoate> I just cast the first byte to int and see if its smaller than zero 15:41 < inkoate> saw that trick somewhere else. 15:42 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 15:43 <+Fador> too bad there isn't datatypes that long in c/c++ =) 15:58 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 16:06 < pbunny> hmm, wtf... sometimes 1.5 client sends slot -999 in click window packet when player right-clicks on empty slot while holding some stack 16:07 < pbunny> slot -999 is supposed to be sent when player clicks outside inventory window 16:07 < pbunny> is it a bug? 16:07 < pbunny> and it happens only on furnace inventory window o.O 16:08 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/inventory.cpp#L470 16:08 -!- masterm [masterm@masterm.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:08 < pbunny> hmm, nope, it happens in player inventory too 16:08 <+Fador> that part of the code was last changed 2011-03-01 =) 16:08 < pbunny> Fador: well it worked fine with 1.4.7 16:09 < pbunny> hmm, it doesn't just send slot -999 16:10 < pbunny> sometimes on right-click-put of some stack (~ 1/4 of cases) it sends click window packet with -999 slot, and then with valid slot 16:10 < pbunny> like player clicked outside window before right-click-putting it 16:10 <+Fador> oh, ok..that explains some strange behaviour I noticed just few days ago =b 16:10 < pbunny> o.O 16:10 < pbunny> you have it too? 16:11 <+Fador> there's the new feature that you can "paint" the area you want to spread the stack 16:11 <+Fador> maybe something to do with that 16:12 <+Fador> have to test it out when I get home =) 16:15 < pbunny> Fador: in these bogus packets, shift is set to 5 o.O 16:15 < pbunny> so it's not boolean anymore 16:16 < pbunny> Fador: http://dpaste.org/0QK4M/raw/ 16:17 < pbunny> thats what happened when he right-click-put stuff to different slots 16:17 < pbunny> at some moment -999 slot came with shift 5, then -999 slot packet was added before valid packet, with shift 5 too 16:17 -!- DavidEGrayson1 [~David@ip70-189-241-7.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:17 < pbunny> when he put items back (left-click) shift is 0 again, and at last he shift-clicked and shift was 1 16:18 < pbunny> hmm, -999 slot packet was added before and after every packet when shift was 5 16:19 < inkoate> I'm presuming that the session server returning "NOT YET" means that I have something wrong with my hash? 16:20 -!- DavidEGrayson [~David@ip70-189-241-7.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20 <+sadimusi> you probably didn't send any hash 16:20 < inkoate> my packet trace says I am, but not the same one as the client is sending. 16:21 <+sadimusi> if you send a username and server id it usually says NO 16:23 < inkoate> I'm sending "GET /game/checkserver.jsp?user=inkoate&serverID=D0011AA1C6FA5850233662D072B86A66C1761318" 16:23 <+sadimusi> it should be serverId 16:23 < inkoate> ohh 16:23 < inkoate> damn case sensitive... :) 16:24 <+sadimusi> the error message is extremely helpful :D 16:24 < inkoate> alright, now I'm getting NO 16:24 < inkoate> :) 16:24 < inkoate> progress 16:24 < inkoate> hashes are still wrong, of course. 16:25 <+sadimusi> you have to make sure you're encoding the public key in exactly the same way as java would do it 16:26 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 16:26 < inkoate> I'm using the same encoding that I'm sending to the client in 0xFD 16:27 <+sadimusi> the client only stores the decoded key and encodes it again for hashing 16:33 < inkoate> its something to do with how I do negative hashes. 16:33 < inkoate> "Notch" works, but "jeb_" doesn't 16:34 <+sadimusi> what language are you using? 16:35 < inkoate> golang 16:36 <+sadimusi> can't really help you there ;) 16:37 < inkoate> its fairly C-ish but yeah, I know its obscure. :) 16:37 < ShaRose> Funfact, it doesn't matter how long serverID is 16:37 < inkoate> its ok, though, part of the point of this is just to learn golang better. 16:37 < inkoate> digging into byte manipulation is defintely part of that. 16:37 <+sadimusi> checking the most significant byte and calculating the two's-complement should be fairly easy though 16:37 <+pdelvo> it would be pretty cool if minecraft would use aes-ni 16:38 <+sadimusi> it would be pretty cool it would use TLS 16:38 <+sadimusi> right now nobody knows if the encryption is actually secure 16:41 <+pdelvo> just o make it perform better. I can recognize 5x better performance when using aes-ni instead of regular aes 16:44 < inkoate> woohoo, got a YES 16:45 <+pdelvo> congratulations! 16:45 < inkoate> heh, thanks. 16:48 < ShaRose> sadimusi it's secure 16:48 <+sadimusi> I hope so 16:48 < ShaRose> mojang didn't just randomly pick it 16:48 <+sadimusi> :D 16:48 <+pdelvo> :D :D 16:48 <+sadimusi> the had to change it twice because I wrote a simple mitm attack script ;) 16:48 < ShaRose> it was picked from a few choices, and looked over for a good while before it was implemented 16:48 <+sadimusi> *they 16:49 < ShaRose> yeah, that's because when they first implemented it they want "eeh, it doesn't need to be THAT strong" 16:49 < ShaRose> and didn't follow spec 16:49 < edk> the encryption is very shakey 16:49 <+pdelvo> now they just need to use aes-ni and it will be fast too 16:50 < edk> I and a couple of other people came up with a few methods that really don't work by sheer luck 16:50 <+sadimusi> it's pretty good now, but nobody is really sure what the consequences of using the secret as the IV are 16:50 < edk> key == IV is never a good idea 16:50 < ShaRose> no, it's not 16:50 <+sadimusi> (besides reducing the aes rounds of the first round to 9 of course) 16:50 < ShaRose> again, they half-assed it 16:50 < edk> it's a recognized weakness of AES, yeah 16:50 < edk> (not that it's a good idea with any other cipher either) 16:50 < ShaRose> hell, at first we wanted a mac for each packet 16:50 < ShaRose> to prevent bit twiddling 16:51 < ShaRose> but we sort of gave in because that'd be a lot of overhead 16:51 < edk> AES with a reasonably sane block cipher mode is fairly secure, unless you do stupid things that might leak the key 16:51 < edk> not sure that a mac would help any? 16:52 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 16:52 < ShaRose> I wanted them to use HC-256 :( 16:52 < ShaRose> edk no, just to prevent bit twiddling 16:52 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:52 < ShaRose> it wasn't a very likely attack, since it would result in PROBABLY getting kicked 16:52 < ShaRose> for malformed packets 16:52 < ShaRose> but like I said we gave in on that 16:53 < ShaRose> hell, my request was the biggest change, making it so the client *and* server both have keypairs 16:53 < ShaRose> and login was changed to a signed keypair 16:53 <+sadimusi> HC-256 had exactly the same problems as RC4 did 16:53 < ShaRose> oh, didn't know any came up with it 16:53 < ShaRose> wasn't it the one that passed eStream 16:53 < edk> they should do it properly, signed server and client keys 16:54 < ShaRose> the reason mine wasn't picked was because it scared mollstam 16:54 < ShaRose> admittedly, it'd be a MASSIVE change 16:54 < ShaRose> all launchers would need to be updated and shit 16:55 < edk> I wonder if the current scheme isn't vulnerable to birthday attack on the sha1 16:55 < edk> can't be bothered to find out 16:55 < ShaRose> (we wanted to use SHA-256) 16:55 < edk> that would have solved that problem 16:58 < edk> well, honestly just using TLS would have worked 17:03 < jast> birthday attack on SHA1? 17:04 < jast> highly unlikely 17:10 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:11 < edk> jast, but not impossible, and probably not even difficult for very long 17:12 < edk> just because it's safe for now doesn't mean better things shouldn't be used where possible 17:12 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:12 < ShaRose> to be fair, considering how often TLS has been screwed over it might have been stronger to use the things we suggested to mojang :V 17:13 < jast> I did estimations of the likelihood of a birthday attack succeeding, for something like 2^64 collision attempts 17:13 < jast> it's still extremely slim 17:13 < edk> well, sha1 birthday complexity would be 2^80 with no cryptographic help 17:14 < jast> "birthday complexity"? 17:14 < edk> average complexity of a birthday attack 17:14 < edk> well, iirc it's half the width, i forget 17:15 < jast> what does that even mean 17:15 < jast> with a birthday attack, you have three or four variables 17:15 < jast> and you pick a trade-off 17:15 < jast> birthday attacks have nothing to do with complexity 17:16 * edk can't be bothered to argue 17:16 < jast> (except as a factor to slow down attacks :)) 17:16 < jast> well, I just have no idea what you're talking about 17:16 < jast> I can live with that 17:17 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:17 < edk> I can't remember where I read that it's half, but I assume it means: the average number of calculations required to succeed, assuming you can randomize both sides randomly 17:19 < jast> you mean, if you want to have a 50% chance of success? 17:19 < jast> i.e. for SHA1 you need to generate 1208925819614629174706176 signatures to have a 50% chance to create a collision 17:20 < edk> yeah, that'll be it 17:20 < jast> reduce that by just an order of magnitude and the chance is down to 1% 17:20 < edk> once you've got 50%, you're nearly there 17:21 < edk> well, if you can do 50% fairly quickly 17:21 < jast> i.e. with (very roughly) 2^76 = 75557863725914323419136 signatures the chance to succeed is just 1% 17:21 < jast> s/signatures/hashes/ 17:21 < jast> i.e. in 1% of cases, that many randomly picked SHA1 signatures contain one signature 17:21 < jast> if you want to do a directed attack, your odds are astronomically worse 17:22 < jast> gah, that i.e. needs some reworking 17:22 < jast> i.e. in 1% of cases, that many randomly picked messages yield a duplicate hash 17:22 < edk> i knew what you meant :) 17:23 < jast> :) 17:23 < edk> well, yeah, it's difficult now, though i think some collisions have been found 17:23 < edk> but give moore's law a few more years 17:23 < jast> and good luck generating and hashing 2^76 messages in a specific target domain 17:23 < jast> even if you manage that, the chance that you have actually gained something is still pretty low 17:23 < jast> in fact, good luck even memorizing that many hashes 17:24 < edk> minecraft makes one part of that easy, since I think both things being hashed have a random number in them 17:25 < jast> what's the attack vector we're talking about here? being able to sign on as the victim on another server? 17:25 < edk> just being able to MITM 17:25 < edk> I don't think it's very likely, honestly 17:25 < edk> just too many parts of it are "shaky" for me to be comfortable 17:26 < jast> well, if we assume that an attacker can only intercept client<->server traffic (unlikely), that's a relevant question 17:26 < jast> IMO it's much more likely that the attacker can intercept client<->login server traffic, too 17:26 < jast> in that case the whole thing is worthless anyway 17:26 -!- DavidEGrayson1 [~David@ip70-189-241-7.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:26 < jast> (iirc) 17:26 < edk> well, the former only requires social engineering 17:27 < jast> social engineering installs an arbitrary "enhancement" on the client 17:27 < edk> just get them to connect to your evil server 17:27 < jast> honestly, I wouldn't even bother with the whole crypt stuff. just get someone to install a new and improved client. 17:27 < jast> anything else is way too much work compared to the possible benefits 17:28 < edk> meh, true 17:28 < jast> the only reason to throw out an encryption scheme is if it the effort to break is significantly cheaper than the benefits 17:28 < jast> (of breaking it) 17:30 < Not-001> [SMProxy] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to gh-pages [+2/-2/±0] http://git.io/Z8hVUg 17:30 < Not-001> [SMProxy] SirCmpwn 9a26301 - Fixed typo in download 17:31 < ShaRose> interestingly jast that was main reason it was weakened 17:31 < ShaRose> because they thought nobody'd put in the effort to break it 17:50 -!- Scootaway [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:50 < TobiX> Why not just use plain old TLS? 18:01 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 18:02 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 18:12 < pbunny> http://wiki.vg/wiki/index.php?title=Protocol&diff=prev&oldid=3694 18:12 < pbunny> please check and accept into wiki if it's ok 18:13 -!- md_5 [~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:15 < eddyb> jast: I think what edk was going on about half the bit length is general attack complexity. I remember reading on wikipedia, that because of that birthday thing, you need twice the size of your hash to have the same resistance against collision attacks that you have against preimage attacks 18:16 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:32 -!- Scootaway [Scootabyte@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 18:33 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@213-33-17-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40 -!- md_5 [md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has joined #mcdevs 18:40 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v md_5] by ChanServ 18:52 < jast> eddyb: and I think I explained what 'attack complexity' actually means :} 18:53 < jast> the term is actually pretty meaningless 18:58 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 19:17 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 19:55 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 19:56 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:58 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:04 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:04 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:04 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 20:05 -!- Sietsem [~SietseFRE@109.70.2.118] has joined #mcdevs 20:08 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11 -!- Scootaway [Scootabyte@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15 < inkoate> can anyone point me to example code on setting up AES? Particularly curious about what was used for IV. 20:15 <+sadimusi> iv == shared secret ;) 20:15 < inkoate> always? 20:15 < inkoate> that's easy 20:16 < inkoate> :) 20:16 -!- ArnoK [~ArnoK@541D90EE.cm-5-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 20:19 -!- Rudench is now known as Shnaw 20:45 < inkoate> blarg.... I think I'm properly decrypting... I get a packet back from my FC and the first byte always decrypts to CD 20:46 < inkoate> but the second one is always random 20:46 <+sadimusi> are you reinitializing your stream cipher= 20:46 <+sadimusi> *? 20:47 <+sadimusi> (you shouldn't) 20:48 <+sadimusi> you are using 8 bit CFB, right? 20:48 < inkoate> no, I just initialize once 20:49 < inkoate> and I'm using CFB 20:49 < inkoate> as for how big, I just use the key the client is sending... 20:50 <+sadimusi> if you can decrypt a single byte you are probably using CFB8 20:50 <+sadimusi> that's probably not the issue right now, but you have to use two ciphers, one for each direction 20:52 < inkoate> ok, yeah, I set up two stream ciphers, one in and one out 20:53 < inkoate> I have to figure out whether I'm using CFB8 20:53 <+sadimusi> of you weren't you wouldn't be able to decrypt a single byte 20:55 < inkoate> what version of CFB should I be using? 20:55 <+sadimusi> what versions are available? 20:56 < inkoate> still trying to figure that out. :) 20:56 <+sadimusi> I don't know of any CFB versions, the only thing you can choose is the block size 20:57 < inkoate> the block size would come from the size of the key that the client sends the server, right? 20:57 <+sadimusi> no 20:58 <+sadimusi> there are two block sizes here 20:58 <+sadimusi> one for AES and one for CFB 20:58 < inkoate> oh, ok 20:58 <+sadimusi> AES should be 128, but you probably have that right if you can decrypt the first byte 20:58 < inkoate> right 21:00 -!- Scootaway [fragmer@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 21:02 < inkoate> This is what I'm working with, the CFBEncrypter and CFBDecrypter functions: http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/cipher/ 21:02 -!- Scootaway [fragmer@eduroam-226-223.ucsc.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 21:02 < inkoate> They say they decrypt/encrypt with cipher feedback mode, using an AES block. 21:04 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:06 <+sadimusi> how exactly do you use this CFBDecryptor instance? 21:07 < inkoate> it has a function on it called XORKeyStream which you pass bytestreams to 21:09 <+sadimusi> that looks like CFB128 to me :/ 21:09 <+sadimusi> maybe you just have to implement cfb yourself 21:09 < inkoate> damn them 21:09 < inkoate> yeah, might. 21:09 <+sadimusi> it's pretty straight-forward 21:10 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:12 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #mcdevs 21:12 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Changing host] 21:12 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 21:16 < inkoate> Hmm, ok... did you look at the code of XORKeyStream, sadimusi? 21:16 <+sadimusi> yes 21:16 < inkoate> so, am I right in thinking that because it counts x.outUsed up to length of x.out, its using the 128 bits of AES? 21:16 < inkoate> Instead of 8? 21:16 <+sadimusi> yes 21:16 < inkoate> that is, of the 128 bit block size. 21:16 < inkoate> ok 21:17 <+sadimusi> but you can't just change the block size there to 8 21:18 < inkoate> aw 21:18 < inkoate> :) 21:18 < inkoate> hehe 21:19 < inkoate> no, I'm doing some reading about cfb8, trying to figure out how it works. 21:19 <+sadimusi> after reading this you should know everything about it http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-38a/sp800-38a.pdf 21:20 <+sadimusi> note that wikipedia oversimplifies things in this case 21:20 < inkoate> in what case does it not? :) 21:20 -!- lahwran [lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran] has quit [Changing host] 21:20 -!- lahwran [lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran] has joined #mcdevs 21:20 <+sadimusi> good point :) 21:25 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/rVCR1g 21:25 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum 367b8a9 - Switched from constructors to functions in serialization code 21:25 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 7213da3 - Merge pull request #47 from mappum/master Switched from constructors to functions in serialization code 21:27 < mappum> superjoe: i think i would eventually want to replace the reading/writing stuff use native code if it speeds it up enough 21:28 < superjoe> mappum, how much of a speed multiplication improvement do you think would make using native code worth it? 21:28 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 21:29 < mappum> hmm, well we could make it fall back to the pure js code if neccessary so it isn't a pain to install on windows 21:30 < mappum> and as long as it is like a 30% speed boost it would be worth it (but i'm sure it would be) 21:34 < superjoe> I guess I just don't want to be responsible for maintaining C++ code every time the protocol updates 21:34 < superjoe> but I'm not against you doing it 21:35 < mappum> well it wouldn't be too bad, it would just be a bunch of structs really 21:36 < mappum> i;m not going to do that yet though, because it will take forever :/ 21:36 < mappum> but for my purposes less cpu = less instances = less cost 21:38 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 21:41 < superjoe> gotcha 21:41 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41 < superjoe> mappum, have you actually exceeded 1 server yet? 21:41 < superjoe> s/server/instance/ 21:42 < mappum> well we don't have users yet, but the architecture is there to support multiple servers 21:43 < inkoate> saidmusi: Thanks for the pdf link. I'm going to have to go read it like 482 times then try to implement it. :) 21:53 < superjoe> mappum, maybe try to get a couple users before worrying about scaling\ 21:54 < mappum> getting users won't be a problem. we're going for a public technical preview on friday on Hacker News 21:55 < mappum> but right now the server is basically just minecraft classic, we have a lot to add before it's something people will actually play on 22:10 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20 -!- ArnoK [~ArnoK@541D90EE.cm-5-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:26 -!- Broken_Syntax [~Nimbus@CPE001310777336-CM602ad07871c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:09 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:13 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ --- Day changed mar. mars 19 2013 00:18 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 00:41 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:49 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/DgYkqA 00:49 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] mappum 2c00c9f - Fixed bug where the wrong type was used when serializing entityMetadata 00:49 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] superjoe30 11b11f0 - Merge pull request #48 from mappum/master Fixed bug where the wrong type was used when serializing entityMetadata 00:52 < TkTech> God I love Sins Of A Solar Empire. 00:52 < TkTech> Excellent game. 00:53 < TkTech> inkoate: Just in case you don't know, you can start typing someone's name and hit "tab" to autocomplete it. 00:53 < TkTech> (I noticed you misspelled sadimusi's name) 00:59 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:08 -!- Jckf_ [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has joined #mcdevs 01:09 -!- Jckf [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:47 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:04 < inkoate> TkTech: Yeah, I knew that. For some reason I decided to type his out. Only noticed later that I'd mispelled it. 02:04 < inkoate> Thank you though. :) 02:16 -!- Exio is now known as Exio_ 02:16 -!- Exio_ is now known as Exio4_ 02:16 -!- Exio4_ is now known as Exio 02:22 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 02:23 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:28 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has joined #mcdevs 02:28 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v pdelvo] by ChanServ 02:32 < inkoate> You know, thinking more about what sadimusi was saying earlier... 02:33 < inkoate> If it was a problem between CFB8 and CFB128, that wouldn't show up until the 9th byte 02:33 < inkoate> and I can't even decrypt the second byte... 02:36 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B252AAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 02:36 <+sadimusi> inkoate: If it were just cfb128 you couldn't decrypt a single byte at all 02:37 <+sadimusi> The code looks a 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workbench? -.- 16:42 < pbunny> oh, right. thx 16:42 <+Fador> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Furnace#Fuel_efficiency 16:42 < pbunny> yeah, already found that :p 16:42 <+Fador> ;) 16:47 < pbunny> is bow fuel? 16:48 < pbunny> hmm, nope. it doesn't go to any furnace slot 16:49 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:09 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@178.32.54.5] has joined #mcdevs 17:10 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@178.32.54.5] has quit [Changing host] 17:10 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has joined #mcdevs 17:10 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:19 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:20 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.250.169.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:31 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:32 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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The way my server hash matches the vanilla client's 2/3 of the time. 20:02 < inkoate> And I can't figure out what's wrong in the other 1/3 of cases. 20:02 < inkoate> :) 20:09 < eddyb> interpreting the hash as a number, I think 20:13 < inkoate> as opposed to a string? 20:13 < inkoate> I'm interpreting it as a string conversion of a byte array 20:14 < inkoate> I get the right result on the three tests from the wiki. 20:18 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:26 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 20:26 < inkoate> I'm thinking it must be something that comes up randomly in my host id occasionally. 20:27 < inkoate> How do people generate their random host ids usually? 20:32 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:45 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 20:57 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:10 < eddyb> huh 21:11 < eddyb> I might be clueless 21:12 < eddyb> but I remember something about minecraft interpreting the hash as a signed number instead of an unsigned number or a byte array 21:13 < eddyb> inkoate: number vs byte arrays makes leading 0s disappear, while signed numbers have the sign 21:15 < eddyb> inkoate: those are the only two reasons I would see for your code to work only 60% of the time 21:22 < inkoate> Yeah, eddyb, not sure either. its a byte array, so I'm not losing leading zeroes. 21:27 < eddyb> inkoate: what exactly are you doing? 21:27 < eddyb> inkoate: are you just converting the entire byte array to hex? 21:27 < inkoate> concatenating the server id, the shared secret, and the asn.1 encoding of the public key 21:28 < inkoate> running that through sha1, doing the two's complement if its negative, stripping leading zeroes, then prepending a '-' if it was negative. 21:28 < eddyb> inkoate: can I see code? 21:30 < inkoate> https://gist.github.com/rschulman/5199790 21:31 < eddyb> 0x08 21:31 < eddyb> fail 21:31 < eddyb> so much fail 21:32 < eddyb> that condition should be if hashed[0] & 0x80 { ... 21:32 -!- Cayorion [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32 < Kyle> mmm Golang 21:32 < eddyb> also kinda silly 21:32 < eddyb> and mixed tabs 21:33 < eddyb> ^ is the Golang equivalent for ~? 21:33 < eddyb> that can be confusing 21:34 < inkoate> yeah 21:34 < inkoate> that is what the conditional says, eedyb 21:34 < inkoate> oh wait 21:35 < eddyb> inkoate: can you read? 21:35 < inkoate> you're saying without the ==0 21:35 < eddyb> inkoate: and 0x80 21:35 < inkoate> golang won't let you do it without 21:35 < inkoate> oh, HAH 21:35 < inkoate> jesus typo 21:35 < eddyb> inkoate: are you dyslexic, tired, or just ... yeah :))? 21:35 < inkoate> just not reading closely... 21:35 < inkoate> lordy 21:35 < eddyb> it's probably the code memory 21:36 < eddyb> it's easier for anyone else to spot a typo 21:39 < inkoate> yeah, always is 21:40 < Flemmard> the worse is when you fix the bug but compile another source .. and spend 1h trying to figure out what's wrong .. 21:42 < eddyb> or you forget you need to do one extra step before you can run the test again 21:43 < eddyb> and it still has the problem and you go back to your code 21:43 < inkoate> nice, this appears to be working now 21:43 < inkoate> Thanks, eddyb 21:44 < eddyb> inkoate: np 21:45 < inkoate> Kyle: Don't know if you were being sarcastic before, but I'm actually quite enjoying golang 21:46 < inkoate> doing this server is kinda just a way to test it out a bit. 21:46 < Kyle> inkoate: I wasn't sarcastic 21:46 < inkoate> hard to tell with text sometimes. :) 21:47 < eddyb> I admire google's attempts 21:47 < eddyb> but Golang and Dart kinda went into a wall 21:48 < inkoate> Yeah, I'm not sure dart has much of a future 21:48 < inkoate> I'm not sure about golang, though. 21:48 < inkoate> I think it has potential. 21:48 < eddyb> all the potential has been used 21:49 < eddyb> and I never liked the half-assed syntax anyway 21:49 < eddyb> my bets are on ES6 (maybe ES7, but that might take a while) 21:49 < inkoate> I find it much easier to read than, say, C++ or C# 21:50 < inkoate> yeah, I don't think there's anything that can shake ECMAScript off its pedestal 21:52 -!- Shnaw [shnaw@womirc.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:01 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@174-25-115-234.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:03 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:03 -!- Justasic2 is now known as Justasic 22:03 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@174-25-115-234.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:03 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 22:29 -!- kcj_ [~casey@205.197.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined #mcdevs 22:31 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:34 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:34 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 22:46 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:53 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 22:54 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:56 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Client Quit] 23:24 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 23:24 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 23:24 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:24 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 23:31 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has joined #mcdevs 23:56 -!- kcj_ [~casey@205.197.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Day changed mer. mars 20 2013 00:13 < rom1504_> superjoe: should minecraft-protocol work with node 0.10.0 ? (on my computer it gets stuck in npm install then it says "Cannot find module '../bin/ursaNative'" if i try to use it anyway) 00:13 < superjoe> I haven't tested it yet 00:13 < superjoe> been busy... I just moved in with my girlfriend 00:21 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:41 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.250.169.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.169.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 01:02 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:11 < Darker> Any idea how to dodge arrows in client? 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[4ef6375d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.246.55.93] has joined #mcdevs 21:04 < dridri> hi pple o/ 21:05 < dridri> I need help with my homemade client 21:06 < dridri> *foreveralone* 21:07 <+Prf_Jakob> 2 minutes are like millieseconds in IRC times 21:07 < dridri> ^^ 21:07 < dav1d> hi 21:07 <+Prf_Jakob> don't ask to ask, just ask the question 21:07 < dav1d> would help if you could explain your problem 21:07 < dridri> ok, so 21:08 < dridri> i can connect to a server, it sends me its spawn point, my position, chunk data around me, mobs and all.. 21:08 < dridri> but when I send a packet to update my position, it seems that it doesn't reveice it 21:08 < dridri> *receive 21:09 < dridri> cause it doesn't transfer chunk data around the new position 21:09 < dav1d> you could use a proxy to verfiy that it gets sent 21:09 < dridri> its a local server 21:09 < dav1d> and? 21:09 < dav1d> makes no difference 21:09 < dav1d> you can still use a proxy 21:10 < dridri> lol, actually its weird since it can receive chat messages packets 21:10 < dridri> and every other packets btw 21:11 < dridri> but how do I use a proxy since the data is encrypted? 21:12 < dav1d> well, if every other packet arrives... 21:12 < dav1d> dridri: like mc3p 21:12 < dav1d> you give the proxy your credentials or you set the server in offline mode 21:13 < dridri> hum offline mode doesn't disable encryption 21:13 < dav1d> oh nvm 21:14 < dav1d> yeah just connect to the proxy instead connecting to the server 21:14 < dridri> ok ill try 21:15 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 21:15 < dav1d> but it's still strange that other packets arrive 21:15 < dav1d> maybe it's malformed 21:15 < dav1d> but this should disconnect you 21:16 < dav1d> proxy can verify that you send the packet correctly though 21:16 < dridri> I was thinking that it's just because I forgot initialization packets? 21:17 < dridri> I maybe do something wrong after the handshake 21:17 < dav1d> then use mc3p's login verfication thingy 21:18 < dridri> ok 21:18 < dridri> hmm, do you know the command line to run it ? 21:22 < dav1d> can't remeber 21:22 < dav1d> but it should be in the readme 21:22 < dav1d> mc3p fork from sadimusi 21:22 < dridri> if I send the PlayerPosition packets 20 times per second I got a "disconnect.genericReason" 21:22 < dridri> ok thanks 21:32 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36 < dridri> uhhh 21:36 < dridri> this proxy is too old 21:36 < dridri> it uses 1.3 version 22:10 < Thinkofdeath> dridri: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/SMProxy 22:37 < dridri> thx x) 22:49 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:53 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:54 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has joined #mcdevs 22:54 < Darker> Of YAW and PITCH, which one determines the rotation around Y axis? The rotation of body? 22:55 < inkoate> That should be yaw, Darker. 22:56 < Darker> Thank you :) So changing Pitch apropriatelly would make character look like he is nodding? 22:56 < inkoate> Yep, I think so. 22:57 < Darker> Thank you very much 22:59 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 23:17 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B25383D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 23:18 -!- eddyb is now known as Eddyb 23:19 -!- Eddyb is now known as eDDYB 23:19 -!- eDDYB is now known as eddyb 23:25 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:28 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs --- Day changed jeu. mars 21 2013 00:18 -!- dridri [4ef6375d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.246.55.93] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:22 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37 < Darker> May I suggest Destroy Entity (0x1D) -> entity count be changed from "byte" to "unsigned byte"? 00:37 < Darker> talking about wiki of course 00:38 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 00:53 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03 -!- |Blaze| [~scott@S01060002b3983ca3.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:03 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:41 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:59 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 02:19 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:41 < umby24> does anyone have example code for parsing map chunks in C# that i could use? I'm having trouble parsing them still. 03:42 < dexter0> umby24: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net would be a good place to look. 03:43 < umby24> it has server-side code, i havn't managed to find client side stuff yet though.. I'll skim through it again though 03:43 < umby24> (for map parsing specifically, anyway) 03:55 < umby24> yeah, he doesn't have it parsed. it just reads it and throws the info away 04:43 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 04:43 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:43 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 05:08 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 05:18 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 05:48 -!- kev009_ [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has joined #mcdevs 05:48 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v kev009_] by ChanServ 05:55 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 05:59 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:04 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 07:01 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 07:12 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 07:18 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:32 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:36 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 07:37 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 07:45 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:48 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 08:03 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 08:04 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 08:25 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.32.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 09:11 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:18 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 09:30 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41 <+md_5> Grum you should soo totally refactor Packet.read/write(DataInputStream/DataOutputStream) -> Packet.read/write(DataInput/DataOutput); I know it can be done easily and I would love you soo much for it :D 09:42 < Grum> isn't it lovely when people use concrete classes rather than interfaces? 09:43 <+md_5> mmmm 09:43 * md_5 sobs in a corner 09:43 < Grum> hmz also not so easily done 09:43 < Grum> hmmm nah should not be super hard 09:43 <+md_5> I cannot recall any place where anything implementation specific is required 09:44 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 09:44 <+md_5> on netbeans you just right click; refactor; change method parameters; 09:44 <+md_5> then you are done with it :D 09:45 < Grum> nope you are not 09:45 <+md_5> If I had a copy of mcp ready to go I would test that theory 09:45 * md_5 downloads a copy to test that theory 09:46 < Grum> i am doing it right now 09:46 < Grum> needs a bit more changing 09:46 <+md_5> out of interest; what needs changing? I cant recall anything off the top of my head 09:46 < SinZ> what is the purpose of the change? 09:47 <+md_5> to illustrate I can ask gru_m nicely to clean up the minecraft code? 09:48 < Grum> euh lots of chained method calls 09:49 < Grum> also some places use stream.read instead of stream.readByte() 09:49 <+md_5> Grum well in my defense the obfuscator appears to get rid of the chained calls 09:50 < Grum> yeah i think most get inlined 09:50 < Grum> why is this so useful btw? 09:50 < Grum> i havent seen/used DataInput and DataOutput often 09:52 <+md_5> for replacing the network implementation 09:52 <+md_5> with say; non blocking io 09:54 < Grum> semi-pointless 09:54 < Grum> i mean you'll have bigger problems than this ;) 09:55 <+md_5> nah 09:55 <+md_5> I just do new DataInputStream(new ByteBufInputSTream(buf)) 09:55 <+md_5> but if I can cut one call; and allow more flexibility for other applications; and clean up your code 09:55 <+md_5> why not? 09:55 < Grum> hehe i just noticed that 'PlayerActionPacket' doesnt support y > 127 :p 09:55 < Grum> y = dis.readByte(); 09:56 < Grum> no unsigned byte ftw! 09:56 <+md_5> and help you find bugs! 09:56 <+md_5> well at least we have unsigned shorts 09:56 <+md_5> amiright 09:56 < Grum> hmmm same for TileUpdate 09:56 < Grum> yeah hehe char ftw :P 09:57 * md_5 refactors locally as well 09:57 < Grum> holy crap 09:57 <+md_5> gogogo netbeans 09:57 < Grum> lots of stuff that seems broken 10:00 <+md_5> only 12 broken packets 10:00 <+md_5> this.onGround = var1.read() != 0; 10:00 < SinZ> no biggy, only been broken for a year 10:00 <+md_5> is that really there; or is it inlined 10:02 <+md_5> done; that didnt take long 10:18 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 10:21 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:45 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 10:57 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.250.183.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 10:58 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.32.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58 < pbunny> hi 10:59 < pbunny> i have some weird behavior 10:59 < pbunny> i am implementing dropping of items when chest/furnace/workbench is destroyed 11:00 < pbunny> i sent "set block" packet that sets it to air, then i spawn entities for dropped items and sent "spawn object/vehicle" packets for them, then "entity velocity" packets 11:01 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 11:01 < pbunny> however, once the block is destroyed, items fly to adjactent block first, and only from there velocity etc is applied 11:01 < pbunny> behavior is the same as if i haven't destroyed block and spawned them inside it 11:01 < pbunny> how so? i sent 'set block' with type 0 before spawning them.. 11:02 < pbunny> is it possible that mc client processes packets in arbitrary order? 11:03 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.250.183.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03 -!- Paprika__ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 11:03 < pbunny> i.e. receives 10 packets, then shuffles them, then processes 11:06 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:07 < pbunny> nm, i added 0.5 to z,x,y of spawned entities and it solved 11:39 -!- Paprika__ [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 12:14 -!- zml2008 [~zml2008@get.your.minions.at.zachsthings.com] has quit [Quit: Adios] 12:14 -!- zml2008 [~zml2008@get.your.minions.at.zachsthings.com] has joined #mcdevs 12:22 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 12:23 -!- AndrewPH [~AndrewPH@hnng.public-craft.com] has quit [Quit: Oh dear it appears I broke it.] 12:23 -!- AndrewPH [~AndrewPH@hnng.public-craft.com] has joined #mcdevs 12:23 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v AndrewPH] by ChanServ 12:28 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 12:41 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 13:06 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:06 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.247.132.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 13:08 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.247.132.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.56.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 13:29 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 13:35 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 13:40 < Grum> pbunny: they get stuck in the block otherwise and get shoved out 13:59 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00 -!- SupaYoshi [~SupYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #mcdevs 14:00 < SupaYoshi> Hello 14:01 < SupaYoshi> Anyone here who can help me out with mark2? 14:01 < SupaYoshi> #semicolon separated paths to include or exclude, depending on mode 14:01 < SupaYoshi> plugin.backup.spec=worlds* 14:01 < SupaYoshi> http://pastebin.com/7nykP2k2 would this work? 14:01 < SupaYoshi> My world are claled UnitedFactions 14:02 < SupaYoshi> UnitedFactions_nether 14:02 < SupaYoshi> UnitedFactions_the_end and ShopWorld 14:20 < pbunny> http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Update_Window_Property_.280x69.29 14:20 < pbunny> "0-300 for fuel indicator " 14:20 < pbunny> i noticed that 'fuel' indicator actually shows values 0-150 14:20 < pbunny> above ones are like hidden (shown as full indicator) 14:21 < pbunny> is this 0-300 correct (show it as full until half of fuel is depleted)? 14:21 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.246.56.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.65.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 14:28 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.250.65.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 < pbunny> 0-200 is correct in 1.5 , i updated wiki 15:00 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 15:04 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has quit [Quit: My code has no bug's, just random features] 15:21 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.249.28.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 15:36 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.249.28.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38 -!- dridri [4ef6375d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.246.55.93] has joined #mcdevs 15:38 < dridri> hi o/ 15:39 <+sadimusi> o/ 15:39 < TkTech> \o 15:40 < dridri> I still have trouble to send player's position to server 15:40 < dridri> when I compare the proxyed data with the real client everything seems ok.. 15:42 < dridri> I do as described here http://wiki.vg/How_to_Write_a_Client but doesn't work.. 15:50 < dav1d> clonejo|offline: you played around with luad? 16:10 -!- Rudench [shnaw@womirc.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:18 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 16:21 -!- |Blaze| [~scott@S010600055d4e974a.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:27 -!- |Blaze|_ [~scott@S01060002b3983ca3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:30 -!- |Blaze| [~scott@S010600055d4e974a.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32 < dridri> finally got it! 16:33 < dridri> the client just need to respond with the exact same data after receiving the first 0x0D command 16:40 -!- dridri [4ef6375d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.246.55.93] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:46 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:01 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 17:07 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:13 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:24 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 17:26 < pbunny> do ender chests work the same as regular chests? 17:26 < pbunny> same number of slots etc? 17:42 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:50 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B253432.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:06 -!- MonkeyPwns [1710d829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.16.216.41] has joined #mcdevs 18:33 -!- MonkeyPwns [1710d829@gateway/web/freenode/ip.23.16.216.41] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@93-82-140-105.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 19:27 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:12 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 20:12 < BizarreCake> What's the starting value for hunger saturation? 20:13 < BizarreCake> Does anyone know? 20:14 < BizarreCake> Oh nevermind, it's 20 too. 20:20 -!- act4 [56b862ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.98.238] has joined #mcdevs 20:34 -!- Sietsem [~SietseFRE@109.70.2.118] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:34 -!- Sietsem [~SietseFRE@109.70.2.118] has joined #mcdevs 20:46 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 21:01 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 21:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09 -!- act4 [56b862ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.98.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@93-82-140-105.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.233.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:33 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.233.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.233.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:39 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:44 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@93-82-140-105.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 21:46 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.233.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:59 < SupaYoshi> hey 21:59 < SupaYoshi> STorm2x around? 22:02 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 22:17 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:25 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@93-82-140-105.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 5 commits to master [+5/-0/±20] http://git.io/nltUhA 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn aabfdde - Added read-only world classes for clients 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a7e85ca - Added ability to save read only worlds, unload chunks 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 53f7fdd - Parse chunk packets in client 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 94c0d9d - Fix bug with 0x38 packets without light 22:26 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn df2f710 - Added ChunkRecieved event 22:49 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:49 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:49 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 22:49 -!- fortytwo [~thomas@who.let.this.bloody.dropbear.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:52 -!- fortytwo [~thomas@who.let.this.bloody.dropbear.in] has joined #mcdevs 22:54 < erai> What is the largest packet the client can send? 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02:08 < Darker> I cannot make the client to eat food. 02:08 < Darker> And have the very same problem with arrows. 02:08 < Darker> *I have 02:16 < Darker> Does anyone know what packets are sent to the server when client is eating? 02:18 -!- SupaYoshi [~SupYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:23 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:28 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 02:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 02:42 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-97-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:57 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 03:01 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has quit [Quit: Reboot, network failure, or data center explosion] 03:07 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@184.171.171.26] has joined #mcdevs 03:07 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@184.171.171.26] has quit [Changing host] 03:07 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has joined #mcdevs 03:25 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 03:26 -!- nathacof [~nathacof@c-67-169-140-47.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:38 < mappum> superjoe: can you update minecraft-protocol on npm to include that last pull request? 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10:24 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 10:25 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 10:37 < pbunny> BlockCSS.png 0x8 Smooth Stone Slab (Double Only) 10:37 < pbunny> BlockCSS.png 0x9 Smooth Sandstone Slab (Double Only) 10:37 < pbunny> when should these variants be used? 10:38 < pbunny> instead of their regular (0x0 Stone Slab and 0x1 Sandstone Slab) variants 10:38 < SinZ> uhh 10:38 < SinZ> they just show odd textures 10:38 < SinZ> they arn't craftable 10:39 < SinZ> it shows the top face on all sides 10:39 < pbunny> ok 10:43 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:00 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 11:11 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:18 -!- kaboss [~kaboss@2607:f0d0:1104:4:17::12c] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19 -!- nickelpro [~nickelpro@2607:f0d0:1104:4:17::12c] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:23 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 11:32 < l4mRh4X0r> I suspect the type is detected with a 0x7 mask, and the texture without the mask :P 11:32 < l4mRh4X0r> Something like that 11:32 * l4mRh4X0r shrugs 11:33 < SinZ> its damage 11:33 < SinZ> like 43:3 is cobble(?) 11:36 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 11:50 < pbunny> 2 blocks of quartz make 1 vertical pillar quartz block 11:50 < pbunny> how do i make horizontal pillar quartz blocks? 11:51 < SinZ> two slabs iirc 11:51 < l4mRh4X0r> I know it's damage, but I meant for the rendering. 11:51 < SinZ> l4mRh4X0r: he is doing server 11:51 < l4mRh4X0r> I know. 11:52 < l4mRh4X0r> I was just trying to think of a logical explanation for that oddity. 11:52 < l4mRh4X0r> pbunny, you may wanna look here: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting 11:52 < pbunny> l4mRh4X0r: i am looking right here atm 11:53 < l4mRh4X0r> ah :P 11:53 < pbunny> i see only vertical pillar quartz block, however there are metadatas for north-south and west-east pillar quartz blocks too 11:53 < pbunny> SinZ: two slabs make chiseled quartz block 11:54 < l4mRh4X0r> Isn't a quartz pillar like logs? 11:55 < pbunny> maybe 11:55 < l4mRh4X0r> i.e. use the metadata value to determine direction :P 11:56 < l4mRh4X0r> Yup. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_values#Block_of_Quartz 11:56 < pbunny> i know. the question was about how do i craft one 11:56 < l4mRh4X0r> Not. 11:56 < l4mRh4X0r> It's determined by the placement. 11:56 < pbunny> or maybe there are some circumstances when vertical pillars become horizontal 11:56 < pbunny> oh 11:58 < l4mRh4X0r> Just like logs and pistons 12:00 < pbunny> iirc logs do not have texture direction stored in metadata though 12:00 < pbunny> its a client thing 12:00 < pbunny> that's why pillar quartz block made me confused 12:13 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 12:13 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 12:16 < pbunny> "Contents of the chest are put into all Ender Chests created, but the contents are localised to the player in SMP." 12:16 < pbunny> is it true? 12:16 < pbunny> all ender chests actually use inventory stored somewhere in player? 12:18 < jast> well yeah 12:18 < jast> how else could that work 12:24 < SinZ> vannila saves enderchest in their player.dat file 12:40 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 12:46 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has joined #mcdevs 12:46 < Darker> By any chance, does any one known what packet sequence and timing is required to shoot an arrow? I only achieved to charge the bow (0x0F), but shooting failed 13:17 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has joined #mcdevs 13:45 < Darker> Could anyone give me a hint on arrow shooting sequence? 13:52 < Darker> Can I set bukkit to send debug info with received packets? 13:53 < Darker> So I will know what official client is sending to the server? 14:06 <+sadimusi> Darker: you could try SMProxy and only let it display the relevant packets 14:07 < Darker> I will try this 14:07 < Darker> Displaying relevant packets is exactly what i need 14:09 < Darker> Where do I get it? 14:09 <+sadimusi> https://github.com/SirCmpwn/SMProxy 14:10 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@80.120.175.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12 -!- Zachoz [~Zachoz@pdpc/supporter/student/zachoz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 14:13 -!- Zachoz [~Zachoz@pdpc/supporter/student/zachoz] has joined #mcdevs 14:16 < Darker> Thank you. I hope I'll be able to compile it. Usually I fail with compiling others projects 14:20 < Darker> For which version of microsoft visual C++ is the SMProxy? My IDE refuses to open it :( 14:24 < SinZ> its C# 14:24 < SinZ> and it needs visual studio 2012 iirc 14:29 < Darker> That explains a lot, I have Microsoft Visual C++ 2010. What does "iirc" mean? 14:30 < Flemmard> if i remember correctly 14:30 < Flemmard> something like that :) 14:31 < Darker> Well, showed up that microsoft visial 2012 is not freeware. Any chance of importing into code::blocks, or I'll have to steal it? 14:32 < Flemmard> there's some express versions of VS 14:34 < Darker> See it, thank you. Just didn't know that "Express" means "Free" in microsoft :D 14:35 < Flemmard> it's "light" 14:37 < Darker> By the way, does anyone have Windows version compiled? This installing and compilling is so annoying for me, that I'd rather trust a binary file from a stranger 14:38 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:39 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 14:41 < Flemmard> i can try 14:41 < Flemmard> master branch ? 14:44 -!- act4 [56b862ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.98.238] has joined #mcdevs 14:46 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47 -!- act4 [56b862ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.98.238] has quit [Client Quit] 14:49 < Flemmard> Darker ? 14:49 < Flemmard> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27861013/Release.zip 14:49 < Flemmard> freshly compiled 14:52 < Darker> Downloaded, thank you :) 14:52 < Darker> (hoping its not remote admin daemon :P) 14:52 < Flemmard> lol no it's built, packed, uploaded 14:52 < Darker> Just joking :) 14:52 < Flemmard> then if there's a remote daemon in SMproxy ... 14:52 < Flemmard> not my fault :P 14:52 < Flemmard> lol 14:52 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 14:53 < Flemmard> i know 14:53 < Darker> Right now, my pc is so lagged, that even I can't control it... 14:53 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53 < Darker> There wouldn't be much fun with radmin :D 14:56 < Flemmard> haha 14:56 < Flemmard> there's always the file access, no need for screen control :P 14:58 < Flemmard> so it works ? 14:59 < Darker> Its awesome :D 15:00 < Darker> If i knew about this before, I coul've played minecraft from school 15:00 < Darker> (well, and if i could compile it for linux) 15:00 < Flemmard> you could use mono for it 15:00 < Darker> But now, there is some badass XML. Time to read some configuration docs 15:01 < Darker> Omg those logs are so cool! :D 15:02 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 15:14 < Darker> What's wrong with this: SMProxy.exe --omit-server --unfilter 0x13,0x66,0x6C,0xCC,0xCD,0xFE,0x00,0x0D,0x0C,0x0B ? 15:15 < Darker> What else should I do with packets to make SMProxy accept the ignore list? 15:23 < Darker> Turned out that 0x is not required 15:32 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42 < pbunny> "The placement of the wool block and dye doesn't matter as long as they are both in the crafting grid." 15:42 < pbunny> any other recipes with same behavior (non-important ingredient placement)? 15:44 < SinZ> there are quite a few shapeless recipes 15:44 < pbunny> oh. 15:49 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has joined #mcdevs 16:25 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 16:29 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 16:31 -!- nathacof [~nathacof@c-67-169-140-47.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:31 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has joined #mcdevs 16:36 -!- nathacof [~nathacof@c-67-169-140-47.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:57 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 17:00 < Darker> Does anyone know how to convert X,Z vector to player Yaw rotation? 17:00 < Darker> I'm so bad with goniomethry... :( 17:01 < Darker> Can't even make reverse of what is advised here: http://wiki.vg/Protocol#Player_Look_.280x0C.29 17:06 -!- nathacof [~nathacof@2620:0:1cfe:18:1610:9fff:fee1:49cf] has joined #mcdevs 17:06 -!- nathacof [~nathacof@2620:0:1cfe:18:1610:9fff:fee1:49cf] has quit [Client Quit] 17:08 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 17:09 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:35 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:46 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 17:51 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00 -!- Rudench is now known as Shnaw 18:04 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 18:17 -!- ml__ [~ml@p5DC2E3B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:17 < ml__> Hello 18:17 < ml__> Is there a way for the server to make the client not use encryption? 18:18 < ml__> I'm currently doing a minecraft server in c++, and I can't get encryption to work 18:20 -!- roblabla [~pi@host81-157-233-15.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:21 < Flemmard> that's not the best idea 18:21 < Flemmard> you better focus on making encryption work 18:21 < Flemmard> then you'll be "good" 18:23 < ml__> Okay... 18:23 < Flemmard> as now it's the base of the protocol .. :) 18:25 < ml__> So, for getting the QByteArray to send to the minecraft client, I use the following code: http://pastebin.com/LthGNFkr 18:25 < ml__> It doesn't work... The client can't parse the data I send to it... 18:26 < ml__> Inside the Packet I use the following code to send to the client: http://pastebin.com/kAE6mai2 18:28 < roblabla> Qt ? 18:28 < roblabla> I like thqt :D 18:29 < roblabla> *thqt 18:29 < roblabla> derp. 18:29 < ml__> I get the following from the client: http://pastebin.com/Jsqe0Uwt 18:29 < ml__> Do I have to send the QByteArray encoded as a string? 18:29 < roblabla> No 18:29 < roblabla> For the protocol encryption packets, they're sent as byte arrays 18:30 < ml__> basically, just send one byte after another 18:30 < roblabla> Let me check, but I think so yeah 18:31 < ml__> my byte array ends with "01 00 01", like the vanilla minecraft server's packe 18:31 < ml__> *packet 18:33 < roblabla> yeah, so the bytes should just be next to each other 18:33 < ml__> yes, they are... 18:33 < roblabla> hmm 18:34 < ml__> Wait, I'll show you my wireshark packet 18:34 < roblabla> Yeah 18:34 < roblabla> was going to ask that lol 18:34 < roblabla> Also, what's the error ? 18:34 < roblabla> Oh 18:34 < ml__> http://pastebin.com/Jsqe0Uwt 18:35 < ml__> http://pastebin.com/SAbeXutp -> my packet 18:36 < roblabla> So your rsa key is invalid 18:37 < roblabla> Either you send the key wrong, or what you send isn't what minecraft expects 18:38 -!- SupaYoshi [SupaYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #mcdevs 18:38 < SupaYoshi> hello 18:38 < SupaYoshi> storm2x around? 18:40 < roblabla> is wiki.vg down ? 18:41 < ml__> Yes it is 18:41 < ml__> So, I'll try to use crypto++ instead of openssl now... 18:43 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:47 < roblabla> ml__: take a look at this : http://pastebin.com/CtTCt2HT 18:47 < roblabla> this is how my nodejs server sends the 0xFD packet 18:48 < roblabla> I turn my server key into a PEM string array (one array entry per line in the PEM). 18:49 < roblabla> Then I just have an str containing all the USEFUL lines of the PEM (the lines containing the key), create a Buffer (essentially a byte array) that loads this string as base64, and then send that buffer to the client 18:58 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 19:05 < pbunny> Darker: http://dpaste.org/PhYN2/raw/ - thats how i convert yaw to z and x vector 19:05 < pbunny> you should do something reverse 19:08 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 19:12 < Darker> That is the problem. I don't know how to reverse the operation... 19:12 < Darker> For now, i do this: atan2(vector[Z],vector[X])*(180.0/M_PI)+90 19:13 < Darker> I don't know why do I have to swap coordinates 19:13 < Darker> neigther I know why to add 90 degrees to the resilt 19:13 < Darker> I achieved this by trying and trying 19:45 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B252E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 19:46 < Darker> Am I the only one who can't reach http://wiki.vg? 19:48 <+ammar2> nope, it seems to be down 19:48 <+ammar2> kev009: poke 19:59 < edk> why do we never discuss alternative wiki options until it goes down? 20:00 < Darker> Is it backpued soewhere btw? 20:00 < edk> google cache 20:00 < Darker> yeah, besides that 20:00 < edk> don't think so 20:00 < Darker> google cached version is unreadable - all tables broken 20:01 < Darker> I'm now glad I at least downloaded the protocol docs 20:01 < edk> google caches the source too 20:02 < Darker> Did I access it wrongly? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wiki.vg/Object_Data 20:02 < Darker> I see no CSS, just pure HTML 20:02 < edk> no, that's right 20:02 < edk> but you can still get the page source from the cache 20:02 < edk> which you could use to populate a new wiki if needed 20:03 < Darker> By the way, is there some discusion page to discuss wiki changes? 20:03 < edk> here, mostly 20:03 < Darker> I'm not that self confident to change anything, but I had a few ideas 20:07 < pbunny> i am still struggling to show players' head yaws right to players that comein 20:08 < Darker> I just achieved to do this 20:08 < pbunny> i send spawn named entity packet for player, then headlook packet for it 20:08 < pbunny> it doesn't work 20:08 < pbunny> however headlook packets work later 20:08 < Darker> Ah, from the server side... Than I can't help 20:08 < pbunny> i.e. when player turns a bit, his head fixes to surrounding players 20:08 < pbunny> until that he has like broken neck 20:10 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12 < Darker> And are you doing the float>byte conversion properly? 20:16 < pbunny> Darker: i send the headyaw packet on players' dump the same way as it is sent later (when players turn) 20:16 < pbunny> yaw is the same too 20:16 < pbunny> for some reason packet doesn't work if sent right after "spawn named entity" packet 20:18 < Darker> But players are sending it as float, you must convert it to byte 20:18 < Darker> This is where it could easily go wrong 20:19 < pbunny> when players sent them and i resent them to other players, it works 20:19 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 < pbunny> it doesn't work if i.e. one player was standing still (no turning) when other connected 20:20 < pbunny> other player then sees first one with broken neck 20:20 < pbunny> when first one turns, it fixes for second one 20:21 < Darker> Well, if you only update rotation when a player rotates, its kinda only thing that can happen 20:21 < Darker> You should have the rotation saved and send it even to newly connected players 20:21 < pbunny> i do that. 20:22 < pbunny> i send it right after i sent "spawn named entity" packet which spawns the player 20:22 < Darker> You can include rotation in 0x14, you know that? 20:22 < pbunny> i use the same routing, same packet, same yaw 20:22 < pbunny> Darker: but not head rotation 20:22 < pbunny> body is rotated, but head is looking to same direction 20:23 < pbunny> the same routine * 20:24 < Darker> Hey guys this is veird 20:24 < Darker> I just tryed to sniff for arrow spawn 20:24 < Darker> and it seems to have ID 60 (decimal) 20:24 < Darker> when http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_values states its ID 10 decimal 20:36 < Darker> Hello, I've a bit theoretical question... 20:37 < Darker> My bot is supposed to dodge flying arrows 20:40 < pbunny> you can't move fast enough iirc 20:41 < Darker> According to my test, you can jump one block in a flash 20:41 < pbunny> you should focus on neural networks, bot with true AI will learn to predict his opponents 20:41 < Darker> :D 20:41 < pbunny> even you 20:41 < Darker> First, I will make it at least strictly mathematic 20:42 < pbunny> i am going to use neural networks for AI of major mob leaders 20:49 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/rNHqbg 20:49 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 6932fd6 - 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No one wants to convert all the content 02:18 < roblabla> TkTech: Wouldn't it be possible to just make a caching mirror ? 02:18 < roblabla> Actually, that's not a question 02:18 < roblabla> because it is possible 02:18 < roblabla> Just nobody thought about it :P 02:19 -!- SupaYoshi [SupaYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:20 < TkTech> What do you mean? When it goes down for a few minutes we just use the google cache 02:21 < TkTech> (Less then perfect, but free [in both $$ and time]) 02:23 -!- SupaYoshi [SupaYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #mcdevs 02:49 -!- SupaYoshi [SupaYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 03:16 -!- Gregor [codu@codu.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:37 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:38 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:03 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 04:18 -!- md_5 [md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 04:33 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 04:36 -!- md_5- [md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5] has joined #mcdevs 04:36 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v md_5-] by ChanServ 04:37 -!- md_5- is now known as md_5 05:23 -!- kipa00 [kipa00@116.123.186.14] has joined #mcdevs 05:24 -!- kipa00 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-!- jspiros [~jspiros@pool-74-97-185-224.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:08 -!- jspiros [~jspiros@pool-74-97-185-224.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08 -!- jspiros [~jspiros@pool-74-97-185-224.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:09 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 20:14 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@178.115.248.219.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 20:59 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251A25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02 < pbunny> weird 21:02 < pbunny> i sent lighting data with shadows 21:02 < pbunny> player sees shadows from a distance, but when closes in - they disappear 21:02 < pbunny> like if client does his own lighting processing 21:03 < pbunny> anyway, i would like exact formula for lighting calculation 21:03 < eddyb> the client does do its own lighting calculations 21:04 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04 < pbunny> so server's calculation must be the same? 21:08 < dav1d> the client does 21:08 < pbunny> but server needs to send lighting data 21:08 < pbunny> doesn't it? 21:09 < dav1d> everything else would kill bamdwith 21:09 < dav1d> yes a single time 21:09 < dav1d> with the mapchunkbulk 21:12 < pbunny> and how must server generate lighting data 21:12 < pbunny> ? 21:12 < pbunny> any formulas? 21:13 < dav1d> no sircmpwn wrote a gist with several attempts, ideas but nothing is trivial 21:20 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@adsl-75-37-6-124.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:25 -!- act4 [56b862ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.184.98.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:47 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: So, in 2237 the running cost of a bus is $64,422/year. 21:47 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: They're totally unusable after 2100 or so 21:58 -!- Darker [5ab38e42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.179.142.66] has joined #mcdevs 21:59 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: hehe 21:59 < Darker> hello 21:59 < Darker> please, do you have an idea, if C++ std:: provides some ZLib decompressing library? 22:15 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 22:16 < eddyb> Darker: no 22:16 < eddyb> std:: is bare bones 22:17 < eddyb> boost might have zlib somewhere 22:28 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:28 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 2 commits to master [+7/-0/±16] http://git.io/E_hbRw 22:28 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a5b926f - Fixed various bugs with Linux/Mac support 22:28 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 9d2eb61 - Merge branch 'master' of github.com:SirCmpwn/Craft.Net into HEAD 22:32 < Not-001> [SMProxy] SirCmpwn pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-1/±6] 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13:54 < ml__> 0x0d 13:54 < roblabla> Well yeah 13:54 < roblabla> after the client recieves login packet, it will recieve map chunks 13:54 < roblabla> and once it has them, it will send the ready to spawn packet 13:54 < ml__> Okay... But I never sent it map chunks 13:55 < roblabla> Are you sure it's the notchian client ? 13:55 < ml__> Yeah I use the vanilla minecraft 1.5.1 client 13:55 < roblabla> http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ 13:55 < ml__> Yeah I already know that page 13:55 < roblabla> that's how it's supposed to work 13:56 < ml__> I'm getting the payload 13:56 < ml__> then I'm sending the login response 13:56 < ml__> And I should just go on and send the chunks? Ignore packet 13? 13:56 < ml__> (or 0x0d) 13:57 < roblabla> Oh 13:57 < roblabla> Do you send them a player look position ? 13:57 < roblabla> Player Position + Look packet 13:57 < ml__> Nope 13:57 < ml__> The last thing I send is the packet 0x01 (Login) 13:58 < roblabla> :| 13:58 < ml__> But I read: "The standard Minecraft server sends full chunks only when your client is sending player status update packets (any of Player (0x0A) through Player Position & Look (0x0D))." 13:58 < ml__> So maybe that's why the client sends me that packet ;D 13:58 < roblabla> Normally, the server sends 0x01, all the necessary things like entities/map chunk, and then a 0x0d to the client 13:59 < roblabla> then client replies with the same 0x0d 13:59 < ml__> funny... 13:59 < roblabla> I'm not a pro at the minecraft protocol, you should use wireshark to see how notchian client/server handles it 14:00 < ml__> Yeah 14:00 < roblabla> maybe it changed and the page is outdated ? 14:00 < ml__> But that stuff I want to see is encrypted... 14:00 < ml__> With rsa. 14:01 < roblabla> Put the server in offline mode 14:01 < ml__> Offline mode disables encryption? 14:01 < roblabla> eeh, nvm that 14:01 <+Fador> when in offline mode, you can skip encryption 14:02 < ml__> Does the notchian server disable encryption when in offline mode? 14:03 <+Fador> just send login responde (0x01) instead of encryption request (0xfd) ;) 14:03 <+Fador> *response 14:03 < roblabla> Yeah but the notchian client won't do it 14:03 < roblabla> I believe 14:03 <+Fador> it will 14:03 <+Fador> at least it worked with 1.4.6 ;) 14:05 <+Fador> https://github.com/fador/mineserver/blob/master/src/packets.cpp#L609 I still have the option in my server 14:05 < roblabla> Wasn't there a minecraft mod to export the rsa key to import it in wireshark or something ? 14:05 <+Fador> just haven't tried it recently =D 14:06 < roblabla> ml__: 14:06 < roblabla> use https://github.com/SirCmpwn/SMProxy 14:07 < roblabla> http://sircmpwn.github.com/SMProxy/ 14:07 < roblabla> (it has a download link) 14:10 < ml__> Thanks! Very helpful tool! 14:23 < ml__> Hm... I think I know where my problem is.. 14:24 < ml__> I don't think I am allowed to send a Keep-Alive before sending the map... 14:24 < ml__> Also, SMProxy seems very bugged on linux 14:27 < ml__> SMProxy works for the vanilla server, but not for my server 14:27 < roblabla> ml__: I don't think keepalive would change anything 14:27 < roblabla> also use Mono for SMProxy 14:27 < roblabla> not wine 14:28 < ml__> I am using mono 14:28 < ml__> but the connection often resets for some reason 14:28 < roblabla> :/ dunno then 14:28 < ml__> And, you are right, the keepalive doesn't change anything 14:29 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p579C5CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mcdevs 14:29 < ml__> I think I should just ignore that packet until all data is sent 14:29 < ml__> and then read it 14:33 < ml__> Hm... got SMProxy working... 14:44 -!- ml__ [~ml@p5DC2CB12.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 15:11 < pbunny> Fador: what do you mean by "offline mode"? 15:12 < pbunny> if i understand correctly my server is in "offline mode", and notchian client still uses encryption 15:12 < roblabla> pbunny: that's cuz your server still sends encryption request 15:13 < roblabla> if your server is in offline mode, you can just go ahead and skip the encryption request/response packets, that's what I think he meant 15:13 <+Fador> pbunny: yeah, you have to skip the encryption request if you dont want to use it 15:14 < pbunny> oh 15:15 <+Fador> I don't think this behavior is documented in the wiki and it might be a "bug" of some sort in the client that you can skip encryption 15:16 <+Fador> I was playing around after implementing the protocol encryption and noticed you can do that.. ;) 15:17 < roblabla> Fador: it's not documented anywhere. And I suppose it's due to how minecraft handles the packets he receives. 15:18 <+Fador> yeah 15:18 <+Fador> it switches the input/ouput streams after some packet or so 15:20 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 < roblabla> I know doing this kind of trick breaks pyCraft and other third-party minecraft clients though 15:22 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 16:06 <+ammar2> yeah, its a quirk with the vanilla client, ideally you should just support encryption 16:32 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@174-25-83-175.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:34 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34 -!- Justasic2 is now known as Justasic 16:35 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@174-25-83-175.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:35 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 17:24 -!- Calinou 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scripting framework but not nodejs 14:38 < dav1d> nodejs 14:38 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39 < pbunny> not nodejs 14:39 < pbunny> don't want to compile it 14:39 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 14:44 -!- jspiros [~jspiros@pool-74-97-185-224.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44 -!- jspiros [~jspiros@pool-74-97-185-224.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 14:46 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@546B2232.cm-12-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 14:50 -!- Sietsem [~Sietse@546B2232.cm-12-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:55 -!- superjoe [~superjoe@cpe-24-193-23-236.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 14:55 -!- superjoe [~superjoe@cpe-24-193-23-236.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:13 -!- clonejo|offline is now known as clonejo 15:14 -!- cathode [~cathode@64.122.193.170] has joined #mcdevs 15:14 <+clonejo> pbunny: ppa? 15:21 <+ammar2> pbunny: I have a simply python program that can spawn up to any number of bots that move around randomly 15:21 <+ammar2> assuming this is in the minecraft client context ofcourse 15:22 < edk> (presumably you need to disable auth) 15:27 <+ammar2> edk: unless you own as many accounts as you need bots, yes ^_^ 15:27 < pbunny> oh, notchian auth is always disabled 15:27 < pbunny> i have my own auth 15:27 < pbunny> you must type /login nick password, then portal to real world appears and you must enter it 15:28 <+ammar2> pbunny: http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/stress-testing-servers.175/ 15:28 <+ammar2> you can add in that command sending if you want, python is simple enough to modify 15:28 <+ammar2> yay interpretation 15:37 -!- Valdi|Laptop [~valdirali@195.37.42.201] has joined #mcdevs 15:38 < Valdi|Laptop> what means "0x6: Standing in ground" for torches (in the minecraft wiki)? 15:38 < Valdi|Laptop> IN the ground?! 15:39 -!- Valdi|Laptop is now known as Valdiralita 15:42 < pbunny> Valdiralita: probably means "bottom of the torch is in the ground" 15:43 < Valdiralita> ive never seen this ingame :o 15:43 < pbunny> anyway just try it and see 15:43 < jast> take torch, look at top of a block, place torch 15:43 < jast> bam, upright torch 15:43 < Valdiralita> lol okay thanks 16:11 -!- lahwran- is now known as lahwran 16:23 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 16:54 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:02 -!- Valdiralita [~valdirali@195.37.42.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 17:04 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:18 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:46 -!- Scootaway [~Scootabyt@c-75-70-55-0.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:11 -!- 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< Viligeman122> for 04:27 < Connor1301> finnaly some one says something 04:28 < Viligeman122> lol 04:28 < Viligeman122> conner 04:28 < Connor1301> its been a long time since any one has talked 04:28 < Viligeman122> do u have a server 04:29 < Connor1301> u mean a channel? 04:29 < Viligeman122> no minecraft server 04:29 < Connor1301> oh i used to 04:29 < Connor1301> but... 04:29 < Viligeman122> what happend 04:30 < Connor1301> well i dont really know 04:30 < Viligeman122> lol 04:30 < Connor1301> thats the problem 04:30 < Viligeman122> did it crash 04:30 < Connor1301> sort o 04:30 < Connor1301> of 04:31 < Viligeman122> is it hosted by u or a host 04:31 < Connor1301> by a host 04:31 < Connor1301> not by me 04:32 < Connor1301> i have to go:( bye 04:32 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has left #mcdevs [] 04:32 < Viligeman122> aww 04:38 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39 -!- Flemmard 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pbunny> 2) - impossible 13:12 < pbunny> too many chuns columns, and each of them will interact only with nearby ones 13:12 < edk> 3) it's thread safe and lockless but the overhead is too much to make it worth it except for stupid numbers of CPUs 13:12 < pbunny> what overhead? 13:12 < pbunny> mutex lock/unlock takes about 17ns iirc 13:12 < edk> yes obviously locking a mutex is quick 13:12 < edk> waiting for a locked mutex isn't 13:16 -!- slowman [~slowman@cpc35-craw6-2-0-cust545.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 13:17 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:18 < pbunny> :/ 13:18 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 13:23 < pbunny> edk: but if i keep world in single thread, i will have to move entities' AI to separate thread 13:23 < pbunny> otherwise overhead on single core will be too big 13:30 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.117.247.224.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:30 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it :/ 23:27 < umby24> just ask and anyone who is active that knows the answer will likely reply 23:28 < ellisvlad> cool, thanks 23:30 < umby24> 0xAA DropItemPacket 23:30 < umby24> lacks documentation however 23:31 < ellisvlad> hmm, OK, thankyou ;) 23:37 < umby24> no problem --- Day changed jeu. mars 28 2013 00:04 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 00:18 -!- ArnoK [~ArnoK@541D90EE.cm-5-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 00:23 -!- buttscicles [joe@buttscicl.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:28 -!- buttscicles [joe@buttscicl.es] has joined #mcdevs 00:29 -!- ellisvlad [516f9c23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.111.156.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:34 -!- x56 [~0x56@sillytitties.com] has joined #mcdevs 00:43 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:57 -!- ArnoK [~ArnoK@541D90EE.cm-5-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03 -!- RainbowDashTable 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..minecraft pocket edition packets I believe 12:37 < SinZ> ^ 12:39 < pbunny> **:21:54 ellisvlad | What is the packet id for dropping items in Minecraft 1.5 PC edition? 12:39 < pbunny> so by "PC edition" he meant pocket edition? 12:40 < SinZ> umbys client isn't up to item dropping fyi 12:40 < SinZ> didn't 1.5 stuff up entity dropping though 12:42 < l4mRh4X0r> Well, at least there's no such thing as packet 0xAA in the vanilla minecraft 1.5.1 server 12:51 -!- slowman_ [~slowman@cpc35-craw6-2-0-cust545.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57 -!- jargan is now known as jast 13:28 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@77.116.247.226.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 13:30 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@178.115.248.104.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:36 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 13:40 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Kyle> doesn't make it older :p 17:04 < dav1d> anyways gtg 17:08 -!- act4 [25cd3dcb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.205.61.203] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:11 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:16 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:39 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:05 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 18:05 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jakob] by ChanServ 18:29 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@66.254.199.58] has joined #mcdevs 18:39 < roblabla> TkTech: I 18:39 < roblabla> *I'd love a copy :D 19:10 -!- SomeoneWeird [~SomeoneWe@unaffiliated/someoneweird] has left #mcdevs ["Leaving"] 19:11 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 19:18 -!- xy-cloud 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I've looked at the protocol, and I'm sending a 0x0A-0x0D every 50ms. However when I add 1 to the x value, the player doesn't move. 22:37 < jibcage> For some reason I'm allowed to adjust yaw / pitch, and his head will move, but I can't get him to move himself. 22:59 < jibcage> Can anybody help? I also tried increasing x, y, and z by ridiculous amounts to see if my server would kick me, but it isn't doing that. 22:59 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:59 < jibcage> Which makes no sense if I can adjust yaw and pitch, right? 23:00 <+md_5> it should just send you pack 23:00 <+md_5> 1 is way too big for the vanilla server 23:00 <+md_5> s/pack/back 23:00 <+md_5> try like 0.2 23:01 < jibcage> Oh? What's the largest I can feasibly increase it in a certain time period? 23:01 < jibcage> And I've checked, it only sends me a 0x0D twice : once upon connect, and once about 10 seconds later 23:10 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 23:10 < umby24|offline> oi that guy yesterday said pc edition? thought he said pocket. 23:10 < umby24|offline> oops. 23:10 < umby24|offline> annnd im still marked as offline. 23:11 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 23:12 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26 -!- md_5 is now known as md_5|holiday 23:26 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 23:26 -!- md_5|holiday is now known as md_5|away 23:35 -!- Amaranth [~travis@2001:470:1f0f:892:e175:c095:bd2b:8552] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:52 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:52 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@184-100-220-69.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:57 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@184-100-220-69.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:59 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] --- Day changed ven. mars 29 2013 00:03 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 00:16 -!- jibcage [~jack@CMU-849805.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:19 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 00:19 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:43 < TkTech> Google alerts sometimes pops up with some…weird...things. 00:44 < TkTech> https://subversion.assembla.com/svn/goobcraft/trunk/core/protocol.py <-- Look at the "if" with my name in it. 00:44 < TkTech> Apparently on random servers my name gets coloured. Also, someone did not know python when they wrote that. 01:01 < AndrewPH|Alt> jegus that's a big if block 01:01 -!- AndrewPH|Alt is now known as AndrewPH 01:01 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v AndrewPH] by ChanServ 01:02 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:06 < TkTech> AndrewPH: … https://gist.github.com/TkTech/e2bab758fa39c26c92c7 01:06 < TkTech> AndrewPH: It's just filled with horrors 01:07 <+AndrewPH> now I remember why I never bothered looking at those bits 01:16 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 01:20 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 01:22 -!- fragmer__ [~Scootabyt@c-75-70-55-0.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:25 -!- Scootaway [~Scootabyt@c-75-70-55-0.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27 < yorick> mappum: http://www.redstone.io/ works, but http://redstone.io times out 01:27 < mappum> yeah 01:28 < mappum> the first is a webserver, the second are the game servers 01:28 < mappum> is* 01:28 < TkTech> …why... 01:30 < umby24> ^ 01:33 < mappum> because the servers are running on a bunch of ec2 machines 01:38 < TkTech> I'm missing something here. 01:38 < TkTech> This is silly, and will confuse a lot of people. Absolutely no one does it this way. 01:39 < TkTech> If you need a different A/CNAME record why would you not use server.redstone or s.redstrone or absolutely anything else 01:44 < TkTech> mappum: Bleh, keep alive timeout 01:44 < mappum> yeah, that's on the issue list :P 01:46 < TkTech> mappum: TBH, I would have waited and polished it before posting if you were seeking YC attention. 01:46 < TkTech> Better late than broken. 01:46 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:46 < mappum> well tomorrow is the last day 01:47 < TkTech> Tomorrow is the last day of this series, you could have just waited for the next one. 01:47 < TkTech> Which is my point. 01:47 < mappum> and it's the idea we wanted people to like, not the implementation 01:47 < mappum> no, the applications must be submitted by tomorrow at midnight 01:48 < TkTech> ... 01:48 < mappum> we could email it to them late or something, but i don't think the amount of bugs is how they decide on who to fund 01:48 < mappum> our goal was for people to like the idea 01:48 < mappum> t 01:48 < TkTech> Tomorrow is the last day of this series (2013) of funding. You could have just waited for the next one. 01:48 < mappum> oh, i see 01:48 < mappum> that's 6 months from now 01:49 < mappum> we are starting to work on this full time, if we waited we would have to get real jobs again for a while :P 01:50 < TkTech> Ah, there we go. That's what I didn't get. 01:51 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 01:51 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 01:54 < TkTech> mappum: Good luck, always fun to see a Minecraft-based success. Lots of people make their living on it. 01:56 < TkTech> sadimusi: Are you still maintaining b.wiki.vg? 01:56 < mappum> TkTech: thanks :D 01:58 <+sadimusi> TkTech: Not really, 1.5 completely broke burger 01:58 < TkTech> sadimusi: You have no idea how surprised I am that it survived this long (mostly due to your work on it) 01:59 <+sadimusi> The issues just seem to pile up faster than I have the motivation to fix them 02:00 < TkTech> sadimusi: I reached that point about 2 months after I started it. 02:00 <+sadimusi> mappum: Why don't you just use a SRV record for the game server? 02:00 < TkTech> ^- Or that, which is another good idea 02:02 <+sadimusi> Is that even documented anywhere? 02:02 < TkTech> mappum: Server just kick it? 02:03 < mappum> not that i am aware of 02:03 < TkTech> mappum: Dammit, fell off the map when I timed out and now I'm stuck in a black hole. 02:06 < mappum> yeah, some dude keeps opening the hole :/ 02:11 < yorick> mappum: ip-ban him :P 02:12 < mappum> heh i haven't added any commands yet :/ 02:12 < mappum> other than /notch and /snake 02:21 < yorick> mappum: it's broken! 02:22 < mappum> yeah :/ 02:22 < mappum> because of bugs, not load D: 02:28 < yorick> mappum: it seems as if there is a flood in your chat 02:28 < mappum> :/ 03:06 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:33 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:36 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 03:38 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has joined #mcdevs 05:06 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 05:47 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.225.16] has joined #mcdevs 05:47 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.225.16] has quit [Changing host] 05:47 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 06:09 -!- superjoe30 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[~slowman@cpc35-craw6-2-0-cust545.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:03 < slowman> can anyone tell me when a mapchunk packet describes the x/z coordinates of a chunk.. which corner of the chunk it describes? is it the south eastern corner? 18:04 < slowman> *south western, even 18:32 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:34 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:46 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:07 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 19:26 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:29 -!- umby24|offline [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:29 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 19:38 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:38 -!- 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I've tried a few different formulas for getting the coords of each block.. but i keep stepping outside, or far below the ammount of data sent to me.. so I still get to figure that out 19:50 < slowman> yeah i'm having a similar problem, i think. trying to get block ids from any given coords, having trouble stepping through the data array of the packet. 19:50 < umby24> exactly 19:51 < umby24> so I decided to move on to inventory management first before i try again.. 19:51 < umby24> but that's almost done now 19:52 < slowman> nice! yeah for some reason i can input any Y coordinate on the 0,0 xz of a chunk and it'll get me the correct block. as soon as i start adding x and z coordinates something strange is happening. i'm guessing it's someething to do with these biome bytes, but i'm not sure i understand where they actually occur 19:53 < umby24> hm.. i never tried that, I couldn't get any blocks that were even remotely close to what I had. but yeah, all the extra bytes are kinda throwing me off as well. 20:07 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@66.254.199.58] has joined #mcdevs 20:14 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has quit [Quit: See you later] 20:31 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@cpe-76-169-228-195.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:31 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@cpe-76-169-228-195.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:31 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has joined #mcdevs 20:33 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has joined #mcdevs 20:33 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v pdelvo] by ChanServ 20:59 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 21:52 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has quit [Quit: Reboot, network failure, or data center explosion] 21:53 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@63-225-87-198.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:56 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:56 -!- Justasic- [~Justasic@71-32-242-107.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:58 -!- Justasic2 [~Justasic@63-225-87-198.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:58 -!- Justasic- is now known as Justasic 21:58 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@71-32-242-107.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:58 -!- Justasic [~Justasic@unaffiliated/justasic] has joined #mcdevs 21:58 -!- EdGruberman [~EdGruberm@unaffiliated/edgruberman] has joined #mcdevs 22:07 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@66.254.199.58] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 22:12 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 23:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mcdevs 23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] http://git.io/_xljuw 23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] seventh 19bf5e6 - TAG_String length is a TAG_Short, so a signed integer 23:53 < Not-001> [PyNBT] TkTech b8c6494 - Merge pull request #8 from seventh/master Small bugfix 23:59 < TkTech> 153 lines of javascript and there are still edge cases. --- Day changed sam. mars 30 2013 00:00 < TkTech> Trying to find the absolute position of an element right-clicked in the DOM is agonizing. [i]frames, relative elements inside fixed elements, parent offsets that don't account for borders... 00:05 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 00:05 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 00:23 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@77.116.246.59.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 00:29 < yorick> TkTech: solution: don't use frames 00:35 < TkTech> yorick: This is a chrome extension, I have no say in the matter. 00:36 < yorick> doesn't chrome have some kind of .reallyGetAbsolutePositionNow() method? 00:36 < TkTech> Yeah, I wish. 00:37 < TkTech> (This is a portable extension, except for a bit of UI glue it works on Chrome/Safari/Firefox 01:01 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:21 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B25102E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 01:26 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has joined #mcdevs 01:39 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 01:43 -!- Connor1301 [42a99ce6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.169.156.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:45 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 01:47 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:00 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 03:03 -!- dimaa [~dimaa@c-50-131-103-82.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:26 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 03:55 -!- gicode [gicode@rancor.csh.rit.edu] has joined #mcdevs 03:55 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v gicode] by ChanServ 03:59 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: PhonicUK, Guest23162, slowman 04:01 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@mcmyadm.in] has joined #mcdevs 04:04 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@mcmyadm.in] has quit [Changing host] 04:04 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has joined #mcdevs 04:06 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 05:19 -!- gicode [gicode@rancor.csh.rit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:24 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 05:24 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has joined #mcdevs 05:30 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:56 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has joined #mcdevs 05:56 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@78.210.238.139] has quit [Changing host] 05:56 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has joined #mcdevs 06:03 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 06:06 -!- Krenair [~Krenair@wikimedia/Krenair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:20 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:25 -!- Krenair [~Krenair@wikimedia/Krenair] has joined #mcdevs 06:36 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1937 24 files : Marked branch 0.64x as abandoned 06:37 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1938 2 files : Marked branch 0.70x as abandoned 07:02 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1939 11 files : Updated assembly versions to 0.640 07:04 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1940 3 files : Fixed MapGenerator sometimes locking up when working with tiny 16x16 maps (thanks 123DMWM). 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What are the "best" python NBT implementation around at the moment? I wrote my own a year ago but it's probably not as nice as some others' work. 17:07 < SinZ> TkTechs most likely 17:08 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:17 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:23 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: ^ 17:27 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:30 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has joined #mcdevs 17:30 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v pdelvo] by ChanServ 17:34 -!- Extreme3 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:40 -!- ArnoK [~ArnoK@541D90EE.cm-5-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #mcdevs 17:52 < TkTech> Stormx2: There's twoolies (which is more popular) and mine (which has nothing unique about it). 17:52 < TkTech> I wrote mine to be minimal and as a reference for when I was writing the NBT wiki page. 17:53 < TkTech> https://github.com/twoolie/NBT & https://github.com/TkTech/PyNBT 17:53 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 17:54 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:06 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:09 -!- slowman [~slowman@cpc35-craw6-2-0-cust545.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10 -!- slowman [~slowman@cpc35-craw6-2-0-cust545.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:24 -!- Brandon15811 [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:998:73c1:e5b8:e683] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29 -!- Brandon15811 [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:51e8:2c93:10d6:e05b] has joined #mcdevs 18:29 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:40 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 19:18 -!- Not-001 [~notifico@ec2-50-19-116-14.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:18 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 2 commits to 2.0-april-fools [+4/-0/±8] http://git.io/U6u3Dw 19:18 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn bf0bcc3 - 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Just no edits. 05:02 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@crown-5-160.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:05 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/__kBOQ 05:05 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 80bf386 - Further work on adding back Level functionality, now supports unlimited worlds 05:25 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:19 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250F4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 07:10 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 07:12 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has joined #mcdevs 07:12 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has quit [Changing host] 07:12 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 08:14 -!- Zachoz [~Zachoz@pdpc/supporter/student/zachoz] has joined #mcdevs 08:27 -!- RainbowDashTable is now known as cathode 08:33 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 08:39 -!- Guest89983 [~Me4502@184.154.203.43] has quit [Changing host] 08:39 -!- Guest89983 [~Me4502@unaffiliated/me4502] has joined #mcdevs 08:40 -!- Guest89983 is now known as Me4502 09:15 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:28 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to refactoring [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/cA3KJw 09:28 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 78e3a90 - Removing majority of code in other classes, will be rewritten 09:58 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47 < Sanky> Hey, so what's up with Minecraft Pocket edition? Can you connect to arbitrary servers? 10:50 <+md_5|away> Um 10:50 <+md_5|away> Don't think so y err t 10:50 <+md_5|away> Yet 10:50 < Sanky> what's it for then ~_~ 10:50 < Sanky> wake me up when yes :p 10:51 <+md_5|away> WiFi and Bluetooth servers 10:51 < Sanky> no internet servers? lame 10:52 < Sanky> thanks for the info though 10:52 < SinZ> it would rape peoples puny bandwidth on mobiles 10:53 <+md_5|away> It's UDP and efficient afaik 10:53 < Sanky> that's not an excuse 10:53 < SinZ> and they are working on implementing minecraft realms to pocket iirc 10:54 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 10:54 < Sanky> I just want to connect to my server from my phone 10:54 < Sanky> why is that so hard 10:55 < SinZ> simple minecraft pocket edition != minecraft PC edition 10:56 < Sanky> and apparently xbox is totally different too?? 10:56 < Sanky> why aren't they working off a single codebase ?_? 10:56 < SinZ> because Mobile and xbox hate java 10:56 < SinZ> and pc edition was made in java 10:56 < Sanky> game logic should be shared 10:57 < SinZ> well, xbox was made by a different company 10:57 <+md_5|away> I agree 10:57 < Sanky> yes and it's getting the same updates regular minecraft is, just a couple months behind. so dumb 10:57 < SinZ> and pocket wanted to change things up, as mobile was designed to have a different play feel 10:57 <+md_5|away> Like doodle jump for stupid 10:57 <+md_5|away> Droid 10:57 < Sanky> also fine, they're different 10:57 <+md_5|away> Has libdoodle.so 10:57 < Sanky> still could write a proxy between pocket client and regular server 10:58 < SinZ> proxy between udp and tcp, fun 10:58 < Sanky> that's the least of my concerns 10:58 <+md_5|away> When they can actually connect to external IPS I plan to add to my proxy 10:58 <+md_5|away> Bungeecord 10:59 < Sanky> what's it proxy 10:59 < SinZ> with a weird github name 10:59 < SinZ> Sanky: ...minecraft 10:59 < Sanky> oh servers huh 11:00 < SinZ> md_5|away: support minecraft 2.0 on bungeecord yet? 11:00 < Sanky> well, a pocket client <> regular server is definitely on my todo list 11:01 <+md_5|away> On holiday 11:01 <+md_5|away> Barely know what 2.0 is 11:01 <+ammar2> SinZ: "(SinZ) because Mobile and xbox hate java" meet android 11:01 <+ammar2> it loves java 11:01 < SinZ> mobile is on iOS too 11:01 <+ammar2> pftt, I know 11:02 < SinZ> and android hates java applets, which is what minecraft is actually on 11:02 <+ammar2> lolwat 11:02 <+ammar2> minecraft isn't a java applet 11:02 < SinZ> yes it is 11:02 <+ammar2> the full downloadable version that is 11:02 < SinZ> the launcher makes a frame to put the applet on 11:02 <+md_5|away> Its not an applet 11:03 < Sanky> pretty sure that's not how it works 11:03 * SinZ dives into logs 11:03 < Sanky> I mean sure a launcher makes a frame but applet doesn't mean anything special 11:09 < SinZ> the launchers code shows creating the applet from the class net.minecraft.client.MinecraftApplet 11:18 <+md_5|away> That doesn't mean it's an applet 11:19 <+ammar2> the applet itself is merely a wrapper to show the actual window 11:20 <+ammar2> could just as easily be in swing or whatever 11:38 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #mcdevs 11:42 -!- umby24|offline [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:43 -!- umby24|offline [~umby24@cpe-70-120-74-121.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 11:43 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 12:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:17 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@ip-88-152-129-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25 < Sanky> are there any minecraft clones for android with multiplayer... 13:31 < dav1d> minecraft pocket edition 13:32 < Sanky> real multiplayer, with static servers 13:33 < SinZ> last I checked, this was #mcdevs and not #android 13:34 < Sanky> last time I checked custom/open clients fell under what #tmdevs discussed 13:34 < Sanky> (then again, the last time I checked was over a year ago.) 13:35 < SinZ> I don't think there are anyone that talk of minecraft clones for mobile 13:35 < SinZ> there are clients/servers that support pocket edition protocol though 13:40 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@128.244.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #mcdevs 13:40 < shoghicp> hi 13:40 < SinZ> ohai 14:39 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 15:12 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 15:18 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 15:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #mcdevs 15:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 15:28 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 15:37 -!- YukonAppleGeek [~YukonAppl@c-76-115-248-161.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 15:51 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:52 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has joined #mcdevs 16:12 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1941 5 files : Fixed world greetings not being saved between restarts (port from 0.64x) Added a couple utility methods to Paths (NormalizeDirName and MakeRelativePath) to accommodate upcoming MapRenderer and MapConverter improvements. 16:20 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:22 -!- PhonicUK [~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk] has joined #mcdevs 16:27 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1942 8 files : Ported improvements to MapUtility.LoadHeader/TryLoadHeader from 0.64x 16:34 -!- ezdiy_ is now known as ezdiy 16:36 -!- cathode [~cathode@50-198-166-81-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:38 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1943 6 files : MapRenderer/MapConverter: Now only allow either one directory, or one-or-more files to be specified. 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SupaYoshi|Switch> well I am using mark2, thanks to you guys :3 21:58 < SupaYoshi|Switch> its awesome of course ;) However I have some questions relating to the java flags. 21:58 < SupaYoshi|Switch> Why so many? 21:58 < SupaYoshi|Switch> http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/performance-tweaking-and-optimisation-server-settings.1483/ 21:58 < SupaYoshi|Switch> See my mark2 properties 22:04 <+ammar2> SupaYoshi|Switch: huh? it only has max heap size normally 22:05 < SupaYoshi|Switch> Well i got this one default, didnt edit anything. 22:05 < SupaYoshi|Switch> honest 22:06 < SupaYoshi|Switch> oh wait 22:06 < SupaYoshi|Switch> they are # 22:06 <+ammar2> yup, those would be comments. 22:06 < SupaYoshi|Switch> yep. 22:10 < SupaYoshi|Switch> Can you actually connect IRC to your mc chat just with mark2? 22:10 < SupaYoshi|Switch> without needing a plugin? 22:38 < edk> I'm here 22:38 < edk> SupaYoshi|Switch, yes 22:39 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:39 < edk> SupaYoshi|Switch, 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first 19:09 < SinZ> and not the last 19:09 < SinZ> (smp moddable server) 19:09 < toqueteos> yes, and yes 19:10 < toqueteos> PartyCraft was nice but i'm not c# fan.. 19:10 < SinZ> PartyCraft was the implemation of Craft.Net 19:10 < toqueteos> yes, both by same author 19:10 < SinZ> Craft.Net is dodgy to use anyway 19:11 < SinZ> he constantly does a major revamp that breaks all existing projects 19:12 < toqueteos> i've talked with him a couple of times on irc didn't follow so much his project 19:14 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:14 < toqueteos> one thing more 19:15 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@master.virtuousrom.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:15 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@master.virtuousrom.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:15 -!- Flemmard [~flemmard@unaffiliated/flemmard] has joined #mcdevs 19:15 < toqueteos> on http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption#Overview the text "session.minecraft.net" should be a link to http://wiki.vg/Session 19:15 < toqueteos> just a suggestion 19:15 <+ammar2> feel free to add it in yourself :) 19:15 <+ammar2> its an open wiki 19:17 < toqueteos> time to finally make an account on that wonderful wiki 19:26 < toqueteos> ammar2: are there any other wiki pages about protocol encryption? 19:31 < SinZ> only Session and Protocol_Encryption 19:31 < SinZ> oh, and http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ 19:34 < toqueteos> too much crypto for me.. not used to it there's pkcs and pkcs1 in go's std library about x509 19:35 < toqueteos> gotta try with MarshalPKIXPublicKey and, hopefully it'll work, if not.. goto go's mailing list 19:36 < toqueteos> pkcs1 and pkix* 19:38 < toqueteos> thanks to you SinZ too 20:10 -!- Brandon15811_ [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:f1f6:c2c4:9573:eb3c] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:11 -!- Brandon15811_ [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:f1f6:c2c4:9573:eb3c] has joined #mcdevs 20:13 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:25 -!- toqueteos 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TkTech> That's some wicked account spam. 13:40 < TkTech> kev009: Can you plop the reCAPTCHA extension on the wiki? 13:42 < TkTech> kev009: And run the maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts.php script to slaughter those 500+ spam accounts 13:55 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 14:08 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 14:22 <+clonejo> dav1d: so what? 14:30 < jast> in my experience, reCAPTCHA isn't all that effective 14:34 < edk> recaptcha + email confirmation might work 14:35 < jast> I had precisely that in a forum I helped run 14:35 < jast> we got about successful 300 registrations per day despite that 14:35 < jast> spammer registrations at that 14:35 < edk> i don't suppose they helpfully all registered from the same domain? 14:35 < jast> I think I may have put words the wrong order in 14:36 < jast> sadly not 14:36 < edk> hmm. 14:36 < jast> consulting a bunch of blacklisting databases helped, though 14:36 < edk> on a project this size, requiring admin approval for new accounts might work 14:36 < jast> require people to show up on IRC and ask for an account :) 15:01 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 15:21 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 16:23 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 16:37 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 16:59 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 17:19 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:21 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] http://git.io/_Q8lKQ 17:21 < Not-001> [mineflayer] zuazo 2b5487f - Exception fix: AssertionError at physics.js:246:12 17:21 < Not-001> [mineflayer] zuazo cc3eae1 - Exception fix: Trying to access beyond buffer length at blocks.js:132:31 17:21 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 17a97c3 - Merge pull request #148 from onddo/some-exceptions-fix Some exceptions fixed 17:23 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/g_s8XQ 17:23 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 e634295 - update minecraft-protocol version to 0.9.0 17:24 < superjoe> I think mineflayer is back in business thanks to a bunch of great work by zuazo! 17:24 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:30 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] http://git.io/gNvcVQ 17:30 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 2c4f798 - update README 17:30 < Not-001> [mineflayer] superjoe30 5df354b - Release 0.1.0 17:30 < superjoe> rom1504, ^^ 17:35 -!- EdGruberman 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contributes is very small. 18:24 < TkTech> superjoe: Awesome, 100% on the current stable? 18:25 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 18:28 < superjoe> TkTech, it looks like it. When I'm not at work I'm going to do some more regression testing 18:33 < superjoe> it's so wonderful to have someone else do your work for you via pull requests 18:34 < TkTech> I know right‽ 18:54 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:58 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 19:02 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:07 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 19:42 < Calinou> exclarogation ftw 20:15 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-140-90-163.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:45 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:50 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-140-90-163.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:09 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:10 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 21:10 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 21:29 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 22:30 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:55 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:07 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 23:13 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 23:15 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 23:18 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 23:18 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 23:23 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 23:49 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 23:50 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 23:52 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 23:54 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 23:55 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 --- Day changed jeu. avril 11 2013 00:00 * SpaceManiac yawns 00:34 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has joined #mcdevs 00:59 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251145.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 01:15 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24 -!- Scootaway [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 01:28 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:44 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:44 -!- Scootaway [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 02:01 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 02:06 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@eduroam-233-152.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 02:06 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 02:20 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 02:20 -!- roblabla is now known as roblabla|Sleepin 02:33 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:40 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:49 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:00 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 03:02 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 03:37 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1957 18 files : Continuing the transition of MapGenerator to the new system. 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: 08:24 < pbunny> 1) thread A locks region A to do stuff 08:24 < pbunny> 2) thread A needs access to region B 08:24 < pbunny> 3) thread A unlock region A, locks region B 08:24 < pbunny> 4) thread A does stuff with region B 08:24 < pbunny> 5) thread A unlocks region B, locks region A 08:24 < pbunny> 6) ... 08:25 < pbunny> regions contain chunks with blockdata, entities,metaentities and players 08:26 < pbunny> what problems can arise from that (i.e. if region A gets modified while reading region B)? 08:41 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52 -!- Amaranth [~travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #mcdevs 08:52 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ 09:02 < cathode> i have a better idea: 09:03 < cathode> wait, nvm. 09:21 < ezdiy> pbunny: deadlock, tA locks Tb, Tb locks Ta at the same time..... 09:21 < ezdiy> you want 3) thread A locks region B, unlocks region A to force correct ordering 09:26 < pbunny> ezdiy: no. 09:27 < pbunny> ezdiy: deadlock will occur in your scenario 09:27 < pbunny> ezdiy: in my - tA locks Tb while Tb locks tA and they will both succeed 09:28 < pbunny> cathode: what idea? 09:28 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 09:28 < jast> why the unlock X/lock Y pairs? 09:29 < pbunny> jast: to prevent deadlock 09:29 < pbunny> so maximum of 1 mutex will be locked by any thread in any time 09:29 < pbunny> still, i'm a bit concerned of what can happen if region A will be modified while thread A is reading something from region B 09:30 < jast> well, all of these locks are strictly finite, right? 09:30 < pbunny> finite? 09:30 < jast> I mean, I don't know what your code actually does with the regions 09:30 < jast> the way I see it, your changes to region B are clearly bounded 09:30 < jast> so if you lock B, it's guaranteed that you'll unlock it again Soon(tm) 09:30 < pbunny> of course 09:30 < jast> I don't see how a deadlock could occur then 09:31 < pbunny> jast: it can't 09:31 < jast> with two mutexes, I mean 09:31 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:31 < pbunny> jast: 1) thread A locks region A 2) thread B locks region B 3) thread A locks region B (freezes) 4) thread B locks region A (freezes) 09:32 < jast> right, makes sense in that case 09:33 < jast> I just have this feeling that the unlock/lock sequence might lead to some kind of race condition 09:33 < jast> depends on what the specific operations are, of course 09:33 < pbunny> reading/writing blocks, changing entity positions, etc 09:33 < ezdiy> pbunny: you're right, it will deadlock in case you screw up unlocking afterwards 09:33 < pbunny> i haven't thought of something dangerous there yet 09:34 < pbunny> ezdiy: i won't screw up unlocking, of course 09:34 < pbunny> still, i imagine hundreds (later - thousands maybe) locking/unlocking done per second 09:34 < pbunny> mutex lock/unlock is fast, right? 09:34 < ezdiy> on single cpu yeah 09:35 < pbunny> on different cpus 09:35 < jast> then no 09:35 < ezdiy> if your threads start pinballing between cpus, well thats different story 09:35 < pbunny> jast: how slow? 09:35 < jast> unless you have hardware-implemented mutexes 09:35 < pbunny> ezdiy: they can't iirc 09:35 < ezdiy> pbunny: linux tries to keep cross-locking threads on same cpu 09:35 < pbunny> when thread is spawned, it won't migrate to another cpu 09:35 < pbunny> well there's 4 cpus now 09:35 < jast> multi-core mutexes require some amount of spinning 09:35 < pbunny> how slow lock/unlock can be? 09:35 < ezdiy> *very* 09:35 -!- Brandon15811_ [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:f1f6:c2c4:9573:eb3c] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:35 < ezdiy> like 30k a seconds 09:35 < pbunny> ezdiy: in nanoseconds plz 09:36 < ezdiy> 30k/s 09:36 < ezdiy> will burn the machine 09:36 < pbunny> ezdiy: any link about it? 09:36 < ezdiy> nope, just ballpark for my box 09:36 < jast> well they use busy waiting basically 09:37 < ezdiy> pbunny: just try it out 09:37 < ezdiy> pbunny: if you do simple work while locked it should be ok 09:37 < jast> wikipedia lists five algorithms used for implementing cross-core mutexes 09:37 < ezdiy> if you do massive memory access 09:37 < pbunny> well if there will be 100 thread, that means about 25 threads / CPU 09:37 < ezdiy> it will suck 09:37 < ezdiy> simple as that 09:37 < pbunny> so mostly locking/unlocking will be fast, right? 09:37 < ezdiy> pbunny: just try it 09:37 < ezdiy> it depends on scenario 09:37 -!- umby24|offline [~umby24@cpe-66-69-92-104.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37 -!- micolous [pirates@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:feae:1c21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37 < pbunny> ezdiy: i will try it when i implement it 09:37 < jast> what really eats your CPU is freezing while waiting for a lock 09:37 < ezdiy> jast: yup, context switches 09:37 < ezdiy> and cache bouncing 09:38 < ezdiy> thats why its 30-50k range 09:38 < jast> it's a spinloop, basically 09:38 < jast> i.e. while (lock still taken) {} 09:38 < jast> bam, full core usage 09:38 < pbunny> jast: i'm fine with that 09:38 < ezdiy> jast: mutexes are more akin to spin-until-context switch :) 09:38 < pbunny> jast: hmm, wait. 09:38 < jast> well yeah, of course there are context switches 09:38 -!- umby24|offline [~umby24@cpe-66-69-92-104.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 09:38 < pbunny> jast: what if there's several threads on cpu core and one is locking? 09:39 -!- micolous [pirates@koji.tok0.micolous.id.au] has joined #mcdevs 09:39 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 09:39 < ezdiy> pbunny: don't worry about it 09:39 < jast> but since the thread now requires a lot of CPU time, it'll get more time allocated to it by the scheduler 09:39 < ezdiy> pbunny: it does not work like that :) 09:39 < jast> that takes away CPU time from the other threads on the same core 09:39 < ezdiy> jast: nah, the task is scheduled back once the lock is released 09:39 < ezdiy> kernels are not *that* stupid 09:39 < ezdiy> unless you use custom userspace spinlocks 09:39 < jast> depends on the implementation of the lock 09:40 < jast> what are you using for locking? 09:40 < pbunny> pthread_mutex_lock 09:40 < ezdiy> then its a futex 09:40 < jast> that's userspace locking afaik 09:40 < ezdiy> spinning-until-cs 09:40 < ezdiy> and scheduled back on release 09:40 < ezdiy> ie 0% cpu usage 09:41 < jast> ah, kernel-accelerated, nice 09:42 < ezdiy> pbunny: btw, you can use lockfree structure for a region 09:42 < ezdiy> pbunny: if you want it to really scale 09:43 < ezdiy> (if its just simple array, atomic ops speed up things mightily at a cost of sub-nanosecond ingame race windows between blocks) 09:44 -!- Brandon15811_ [~Brandon15@2a01:e0b:1:156:5c87:326c:805a:f599] has joined #mcdevs 09:49 < pbunny> ezdiy: what do you mean? 09:49 < jast> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_operation 09:49 < pbunny> btw, i decided to remove regions and just use array of chunks for every thread 09:50 < pbunny> and use a thread pool 09:50 < ezdiy> pbunny: AtomicIntegerArray, in java :) 09:50 < pbunny> ezdiy: java sucks. 09:50 < ezdiy> well, or anything equivalent 09:50 < ezdiy> it exists in every decent language 09:50 < pbunny> ezdiy: atomic in multi-threaded app still requires locking 09:50 < pbunny> so i don't see difference 09:51 < ezdiy> heh 09:51 < ezdiy> nevermind 09:51 < ezdiy> :) 09:51 < ezdiy> (just read the java docs what kind of locking you really need for atomic array ops) 09:52 -!- micolous [pirates@koji.tok0.micolous.id.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53 < pbunny> i want nothing to do with java 09:56 < pbunny> ezdiy: i prefer updating a block with single operation (assignment) 09:56 < pbunny> not 100 like in java 09:57 < ezdiy> hehe 09:57 < ezdiy> once again 09:57 < ezdiy> you dont need locking for that 09:57 < ezdiy> thats what atomic ops are for 09:57 < pbunny> ezdiy: you can't just write to something thread-safe without locking. 09:58 < pbunny> well you can time threads carefully but that's wrong 09:59 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:59 < ezdiy> pbunny: seriously, you dont need locks to assign, increment, test or increment an array value 10:00 < ezdiy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linearizability#Primitive_atomic_instructions 10:01 < ezdiy> (lock-free lists and trees can be implemented on top of that) 10:01 -!- micolous [pirates@koji.tok0.micolous.id.au] has joined #mcdevs 10:05 < pbunny> "This mechanism is not sufficient in a multi-processor environment since each CPU can interfere with the process regardless of whether interrupts occur or not." 10:05 < pbunny> thx ezdiy 10:06 < ezdiy> pbunny: When there are multiple instructions which must be completed without interruption :) 10:06 < ezdiy> (who said there are?) 10:07 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 10:07 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 10:07 < ezdiy> but you're right that compare-and-swap is not for the faint of the heart (which is why we use fancy java libraries to do that for us :) 10:08 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 10:08 < pbunny> ezdiy: yeah, and the second solution there is using locking 10:08 < pbunny> you've been most useful 10:09 < pbunny> "retry if the value read in by the compare-and-swap did not match the value we originally read" - true java approach, lol 10:09 < ezdiy> hehe 10:09 < ezdiy> we do that in c++ too 10:09 < ezdiy> whats worse, even linux kernel does it 10:09 < ezdiy> (lock free lru) 10:10 < ezdiy> pbunny: btw, running separate thread for each region and using lockfree queue (such as zeromq) to pass messages between them works too 10:11 < pbunny> ezdiy: passing messages will increase lag 10:11 < ezdiy> how? 10:11 < ezdiy> its just atomic writes 10:11 < ezdiy> and reads 10:11 < ezdiy> *no waiting* 10:11 < ezdiy> on mutexes :) 10:12 < pbunny> ezdiy: everything waits while atomic write is going. 10:12 < pbunny> with mutexes, only related threads wait 10:12 < ezdiy> The compare-and-swap instruction allows any processor to atomically test and modify a memory location, preventing such multiple-processor collisions. 10:13 < ezdiy> thats it 10:13 < ezdiy> others processor go on *unless* they touch the value 10:13 < ezdiy> at the exact same time 10:14 < ezdiy> pbunny: locks are heavyweight and always will be, however not everything can be implemented lock free (ie succession of operations which *must* be done in succession, without other threads interference) 10:14 < ezdiy> depends on what youre trying to do 10:14 < pbunny> ezdiy: good. so every write will stop 25% of my threads 10:14 < pbunny> ( as i have only 4 cores) 10:14 < ezdiy> all threads write to the same location? 10:14 < pbunny> a mutex lock will stop like 1-2 threads 10:15 < ezdiy> pbunny: the instruction does not stop other cpus btw 10:15 < pbunny> ezdiy: i won't have a single write. 10:15 < ezdiy> it compares and swaps 10:15 < ezdiy> :) 10:15 < pbunny> there are like hundreds of writes per second per thread 10:15 < pbunny> atomic write is slower 10:15 < ezdiy> never mind :) 10:15 < ezdiy> just tried to preach proper mt coding practices and failed miserably 10:16 < ezdiy> linux developers got it all wrong 10:16 < ezdiy> and guys at sun too :) 10:16 < jast> ezdiy: some people can't be preached to 10:17 < jast> some people have a different conception of statistics and probability than everyone else 10:17 < jast> if I have many writes, it follows by necessity that all of them will touch the exact same location every time! 10:21 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has joined #mcdevs 10:21 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has quit [Changing host] 10:21 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 10:23 < pbunny> jast: atomic writes are slower than regular writes. 10:26 < jast> and locks are slower than atomic writes. so let's use locks! 10:27 < ezdiy> pbunny: thats why its used only seldom on things like message queues 10:27 < ezdiy> :) 10:27 < pbunny> "In computer science, compare-and-swap (CAS) is an atomic instruction used in multithreading to achieve synchronization. It compares the contents of a memory location to a given value and, only if they are the same, modifies the contents of that memory location to a given new value." 10:27 < pbunny> so its completely useless for me 10:27 < ezdiy> btw 10:27 < ezdiy> here comes the shocker 10:27 < ezdiy> locks are implemented using 10:27 < ezdiy> guess what 10:27 < ezdiy> CAS! 10:27 < ezdiy> :) 10:27 < pbunny> ok, so? 10:27 < ezdiy> well, naturally its useless to you 10:28 < pbunny> jast: 1 lock + 100 writes is faster than 100 atomic writes 10:28 < ezdiy> so you dont need locks either 10:28 < pbunny> or 1000 10:28 < ezdiy> (sorry but you started :) 10:28 < ezdiy> pbunny: thats probably true 10:28 < ezdiy> if you indeed do lock and 100 writes 10:28 < pbunny> i will write more probably 10:28 < ezdiy> if you do lock, write, unlock 10:28 < ezdiy> then no 10:28 < pbunny> what 10:28 < pbunny> why? 10:29 < ezdiy> lock, write, unlock = atomicwrite 10:29 < pbunny> ezdiy: yeah 10:29 < pbunny> so? 10:29 < pbunny> it will be a single write 10:29 < ezdiy> except atomic op is like zillion times faster 10:29 < pbunny> how so? 10:29 < ezdiy> instead of doing lack/unlock before and after 10:30 < ezdiy> simply put 10:30 < ezdiy> because lock and unlock 10:30 < ezdiy> are CAS in themselves 10:30 < pbunny> yes, so? 10:30 < pbunny> they are done once per iteration 10:30 < pbunny> not for every write 10:30 < ezdiy> CAS, write, CAS 10:30 < ezdiy> or just CAS 10:30 < ezdiy> which one is faster? 10:30 < pbunny> are you a troll? 10:30 < ezdiy> sorry 10:30 < ezdiy> you started 10:30 < pbunny> CAS, write everything, CAS 10:30 < ezdiy> ah 10:30 < pbunny> or CAS, write, CAS, write, CAS, ... 10:30 < ezdiy> i asked 10:31 < ezdiy> 10:24 < ezdiy> if you indeed do lock and 100 writes 10:31 < ezdiy> :) 10:31 < ezdiy> (i know, that makes me the troll now) 10:32 < ezdiy> you'll need lock for that because atomic ops are useless for things which must be done in succession 10:32 < ezdiy> which is much bigger concern 11:54 -!- 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Where do you live, that there's snow storms which cut you off from the power grid, anyway? 14:57 < TkTech> Peterborough. This isn't a snow storm, it's an ice storm. 14:57 < TkTech> Snow storms don't do that much to a Canadian city short of something insane :) 15:01 < TkTech> This is past when these storms normally happen, so people have summer tires on, salt+sand contracts are over, and such 15:01 < TkTech> But a bad ice storm can be much worse (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Ice_Storm_of_1998) 15:02 < dav1d> lol 15:02 < dav1d> wikipedia shows me that in the mobile version 15:02 < dav1d> nvm 15:02 < dav1d> it's a mobile link 15:05 < TkTech> Sorry, I'm on a phone, my UPS died two hours ago 15:05 < eddyb> :( 15:05 < dav1d> TkTech: :O 15:05 < dav1d> never had such a storm 15:06 < eddyb> TkTech: how long is it bound to keep going like that? 15:06 < eddyb> just hours or can it go for days? 15:06 < TkTech> This is pretty much over now, it's bumped up just above 0 so it's just rain, but it'll get worse if it continues into the night and starts freezing again. 15:07 < TkTech> The duration isn't the problem, it destroys trees and above ground infrastructure 15:07 < eddyb> it's like hail? 15:07 < TkTech> The power can be out for 10 minutes or in the absolute worst cases over a month. 15:07 < TkTech> Depends on how much has to be fixed/rebuilt 15:08 < eddyb> one minute everything is fine, the next hell breaks loose 15:08 < TkTech> Not really, it doesn't freeze until it touches something 15:08 < TkTech> Which is why it damages power lines 15:09 < dav1d> canada lol 15:09 < dav1d> poor guys! 15:09 < eddyb> well, I hope you get in the clear soon and it's not too much of a mess to deal with :/ 15:10 <+ammar2> TkTech: how long does your ups run? 15:10 < TkTech> Thanks :) 15:11 < TkTech> When just running the router and DCIS modem hours 15:11 < TkTech> With a 90watt laptop not very long, around 30 minutes 15:11 < eddyb> dav1d: yeah, here it's spring, 23°C inside with no heating and open windows, and outside I can hear birds singing and there's a cherry tree just outside by block and it's blossomed 15:12 < dav1d> yeah same here 15:12 < dav1d> well, yesterday 15:12 < dav1d> vienna! 15:12 <+ammar2> nice place vienna, spent around a week or so there on vacation 15:13 < eddyb> TkTech: that sounds like what my laptop battery would last if I didn't use sleep to save it 15:13 < dav1d> ammar2: you're german? 15:13 <+ammar2> dav1d: nope 15:13 < dav1d> ah 15:13 < dav1d> so many of this channel are german, but can't remember who actually is german ... 15:14 < dav1d> yeah moved to vienna for studies, so far it's a really cool city 15:14 <+ammar2> aah, my brother actually studied there too 15:14 <+ammar2> part of the astromundus program 15:15 < TkTech> How affordable is it for a student? 15:16 <+ammar2> my brother was on a 50% scholarship or so, so I can't say for certain 15:17 < TkTech> Lucky, most of you get college/university so much cheaper than in North America 15:17 < dav1d> vienne is relativly cheap 15:19 < dav1d> 150€ for a student public transport ticket (if you're not a austrian citizen) and you pay 17,50€/semester for the university 15:19 < dav1d> you can get a room from 280€ to unlimited, but for ~330€ you can get a nice room 15:22 < TkTech> That character is a block, supposed to be the euro sign? 15:22 < dav1d> yeah 15:22 < dav1d> utf-8 with latin-1 as fallback! 15:24 < eddyb> TkTech: http://starlogs.net/#mcdevs/Burger 15:24 < eddyb> I hope you can load that on your phone 15:25 < TkTech> Surprisingly, yes 15:25 < TkTech> Hey, power! 15:26 < TkTech> ...and it's gone. 15:26 < eddyb> (^_^) :D 15:26 < eddyb> :( 15:28 < dav1d> eddyb: lol 16:04 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-178-251-98.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-178-251-98.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mcdevs 16:13 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 16:19 -!- Mediator [~fdfa@c-50-134-249-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19 -!- Mediator [~fdfa@c-50-134-249-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:20 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 16:35 -!- toqueteos [4f9c630a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.156.99.10] has joined #mcdevs 16:36 < toqueteos> hi there guys, i've been struggling to get http://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption#Client this working but I always get NO as response.. any suggestions? 16:37 < roblabla> your sessionID or username is probably wrong 16:38 < toqueteos> oh, sorry it's the server section, not the client's one 16:38 < toqueteos> it has to be the serverId part, i think 16:38 < toqueteos> because i verified the encrypted token received 16:39 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 16:42 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 < toqueteos> my sha1-javaish function works as expected, encrypted token sent is ok, username ok.. hmm 16:47 < toqueteos> here's the sha1 function, is anyone ok if I add it to the examples section? http://play.golang.org/p/UY1ki55CPt 16:47 < toqueteos> everyone* 17:12 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 17:14 < jast> it's "complement", not "compliment" :P 17:17 < toqueteos> lol, you are right 17:17 < toqueteos> thanks jast, will fix it right now 17:22 < toqueteos> another question: why isn't https://minecraft.net/haspaid.jsp?user= used to check if a player has premium version or not? 17:23 < jast> used by what? 17:23 < toqueteos> servers with online-mode=true 17:23 < jast> why should it? 17:23 < jast> the login server knows it anyway 17:23 < toqueteos> simpler approach 17:24 < conehead> Because that still doesn't establish that the player is who they say they are 17:24 < toqueteos> i could use it for my server but i want to use the standar sha-1 weird hash thingy 17:24 < toqueteos> because you verify the token sent before you compute the sha-1 hash 17:26 < toqueteos> that sha-1 hash doesn't say if the player is who he says he is 17:29 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 17:29 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:48 < toqueteos> yay! i got it working 17:53 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 18:06 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 18:09 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 18:11 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 18:13 < TkTech> Bleh, my UPS is more reliable than my teleco, untested generator failed so now 115000 people have no power, no Internet, and the cell network is piss slow. 18:14 < roblabla> that makes many angry people... 18:17 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19 < TkTech> Indeed. No longer a quick fix, lines need to be rebuilt. http://twitter.com/banjomommy/status/322732027784863744/photo/1 19:06 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27 -!- toqueteos [4f9c630a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.156.99.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 19:55 -!- zml2008 [~zml2008@get.your.minions.at.zachsthings.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:59 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 19:59 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04 -!- SL37 [SL37@CPEbcc810139ea6-CMbcc810139ea3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:05 < SL37> Hey can anyone shed some light on Encryption Key Response 0xFC? 20:05 -!- Thinkofdeath [~Thinkofde@184.82.146.24] has joined #mcdevs 20:05 < SL37> I am reading some stuff on mc.kev009.com about Minecrafts network protocol and am having some trouble parsing it. 20:07 -!- [z] [~z@cpc2-seac20-2-0-cust453.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:07 < SL37> It states it should consist of a string + short + byte array + short + byte array but they state the total size is 7 + string + array sizes 20:07 < SL37> Which I don't see how a byte + short + short = 7? 20:07 < roblabla> eh ? 20:07 < roblabla> 0xFC doesn't contain strings ? 20:08 < roblabla> it's Short + Byte Array + Short + Byte Array 20:08 -!- [z]2 [~z@cpc2-seac20-2-0-cust453.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08 < SL37> Ah crap... I am reading 0xFD. 20:09 < SL37> Wow I originally coded it as that and then I accidently flipped to 0xFD. 20:09 < SL37> But while I am at is how to they figure 0xFD is 7 bytes +? 20:10 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 < roblabla> SL37: 1 byte for the packet id + 2 bytes for the length of string + 2 bytes for length of key + 2 bytes for length of token 20:20 < roblabla> Remember, the string always sends a short with it's length. 20:22 < SL37> Ah that I didn't know. 20:23 < SL37> Which would really help me in attempting to parse this string haha. 20:23 < roblabla> You should read about the default types 20:23 < roblabla> It really helps 20:24 < SL37> I did go over it but skipped over string. So yeah that was an apparent mistake. 20:24 < roblabla> yup ^^ 20:26 < SL37> Why was the server check string in little endian where everything else is in big endian if you happen to know that? 20:26 < SL37> Server List Ping to be more clear 20:27 < roblabla> I believe to make it easier for websites to parse ? I dunno. 20:27 < roblabla> Everything in java is in big-endian normally 20:28 < roblabla> Wait what ? 20:28 < roblabla> 0xFF always sends strings in big endian if that's what you're talking about 20:30 < SL37> Ah that may be why. And it was sending 0xFE 20:30 * roblabla is confusled 20:30 < roblabla> are you coding a client or a server ? 20:30 < roblabla> 0xFE doesn't contain any string. 20:31 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31 < SL37> 0xFE sends a string. 20:31 < roblabla> no 20:31 < SL37> Gah 0xFF sorry 20:31 < roblabla> then yes, it does 20:31 < roblabla> and it sends a big-endian UCS string 20:31 < SL37> My code is real messy right now as I get this all working so I am all over the place. 20:32 < roblabla> bbl 20:32 -!- roblabla is now known as roblabla|Away 20:33 < SL37> Ah ok yup I noticed that my buffer is little endian as I pass a string into it being converted to little endian. Which is like a double negative. 20:34 < SL37> But there is a typo then on the site. 20:34 < SL37> "After the first 3 bytes, the packet is a little-endian UCS-2 string." As stated on the Server_List_Ping page. 20:35 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:35 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 20:50 -!- mappum [~mappum@70.sub-70-199-129.myvzw.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:55 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 21:03 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:05 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 21:08 -!- mappum [~mappum@70.sub-70-199-129.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:09 -!- roblabla|Away is now known as roblabla 21:13 < SL37> @roblabla Yeah I noticed I was confused because there was a typo on the site. On the Server_List_Ping page it states that it is a little-endian UCS-2 string. 21:14 < roblabla> Hmm 21:26 < pbunny> hi. 21:26 < pbunny> in Client Settings (0xCC) packet, there is "View distance byte 0 0-3 for 'far', 'normal', 'short', 'tiny'. " 21:27 < pbunny> what are exact values (radius of chunks?) of these 'far', 'normal', 'short', 'tiny' ? 21:27 < dav1d> 3,5,7,10? 21:27 < dav1d> but only guesses 21:28 < pbunny> 10 means player can see 10 chunks away? 21:33 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:37 < SL37> What is the KeySpec of the servers key? 21:37 <+ammar2> well, the view distance is represented by the number of chunks away from the one the player is standing on 21:37 <+ammar2> check the mc wiki, they usually have info on this sorta stuff 21:39 < SL37> Hmm they talk about making a SharedSecret which I am a little confused about but got working. But then it shows "encrypts it with the server's public key (PKCS#1 v1.5 padded)" but I assume that means the cipher type. 22:15 < dav1d> SL37: you want server or client side? 22:15 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16 < dav1d> SL37: https://gist.github.com/Dav1dde/3900517 helps maybe 22:17 < SL37> This is the client side. Basically trying to figure out how to generate the client encryption key which I think I have. But I am having problems converting the server key. 22:18 < dav1d> then the gist is for you 22:19 < SL37> It looks right that I am parsing the server message correctly but I get a key size of 162 which doesn't make sense. 22:19 < dav1d> then you parse the packet wrong 22:22 < SL37> Ah I think where I am off is that it is an RSA key. 22:23 < SL37> So now I am more confused because does the server use an RSA key where the client uses an AES key? 22:24 < SL37> client will generate a 16-byte shared secret, to be used with the AES/CFB8 stream cipher 22:25 < SL37> Because what I generate from that is a SecretKeySpec is used with AES, also it states that it is an AES stream... which I assume RSA wouldn't be using. 22:25 -!- jspiros [jspiros@pool-100-40-104-126.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 22:26 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:27 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29 < dav1d> SL37: it's a safe key exchange 22:29 < dav1d> RSA → exchange AES key → AES 22:30 -!- jspiros [jspiros@pool-100-40-104-162.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:32 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:32 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 22:37 -!- jspiros [jspiros@pool-100-40-104-162.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:37 -!- jspiros [jspiros@pool-100-40-104-162.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:40 < SL37> Gah, there we go looks like it is working. 22:41 < SL37> The server isn't kicking me on response. Just need to enable encryption on my stream and send the 0 payload. 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Or I am ciphering my AES traffic wrong which I think I am doing right. 01:12 < SL37> Ok I am sending "RSA/ECB..." which I am getting a packet back. Need to find out why my login request 0xCD isn't going through. I am using "AES/CFB8/NoPadding" which looks right. 01:13 < roblabla> I *think* you need to pad 01:13 < roblabla> let me take a look at my code 01:14 < roblabla> wait, SL37, you making a client or a server ? 01:18 < dav1d> you need padding read the stuff we link you 01:18 < roblabla> aes128-cbf8 with sharedSecret both as key and IV 01:19 < roblabla> and you need to pad using PKCS1 01:20 < dav1d> use sadimusis mcp3 proxy to debug the sequence 01:22 < roblabla> dav1d: link ? 01:22 < roblabla> I can't find it o_O 01:24 -!- Scootabyte [fragmer@crown-5-98.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 01:24 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 01:25 < dav1d> Dunno, search git hub, I am on phone 01:29 < roblabla> Kay 01:32 < SL37> And it is a client. 01:32 < SL37> "AES/CFB8/PKCS1Padding" ? 01:32 < roblabla> Looks good 01:37 <+ammar2> PKCS1Padding is part of the RSA bit, not sure why you're linking it with AES 01:37 < SL37> For sending packets after the auth. 01:37 < SL37> I am sending my 0xcd packet. 01:39 < dav1d> o.O 01:39 < SL37> From what i read i generate an aes key and encrypt it with the rsa key and send that back with 0xfc packet. Which works because i get a blank 0xfc packet back. 01:39 < dav1d> Aes has no padding 01:40 < roblabla> oh derp 01:40 < dav1d> and a blocksize of 8bit (this specific AES) 01:40 < roblabla> I goofed 01:40 < dav1d> AES128CFB8 01:40 < SL37> Yea I thought not because when I was reading regular MC traffic I noticed it was only 2 bytes long. 01:40 < dav1d> a padding would ruin it, since you get a constant stream you can't tell to wait for N bytes to start decrypting 01:41 < SL37> Yeah I have a 128 bit key and my cipher is "AES/CFB8/NoPadding" 01:41 < roblabla> SL37: what do you use as key and IV ? 01:41 < dav1d> rsa padding is: RSA_PKCS1_PADDING 01:41 < dav1d> wat? 01:41 < dav1d> AES CFB8 can't have a padding 01:42 < dav1d> also rsa != aes 01:42 < SL37> "RSA/ECB/PKCS1Padding" is my cipher for my 0xfc packet 01:42 < dav1d> rsa is used to exchange the AES key (which is the IV at the same time) 01:42 < roblabla> SL37: what language are you using ? 01:43 < SL37> Java. 01:43 < dav1d> easy, if you can understand the packet, function doesn't error, you have most likely the correect 01:43 < SL37> And yeah I know. 01:43 < dav1d> also ECB reads wrong, but whatever I am not sure 01:43 < dav1d> also read the wiki, I am pretty sure there are examples 01:44 < SL37> I read the RSA key and generate an AES key on the client. I then encrypt my AES key with RSA and the verify key. I send both back. 01:44 < dav1d> lol 01:44 < dav1d> no Java example 01:44 < dav1d> but C++, C#, D 01:44 < SL37> Which works and the server gives me back the 0xFC packet with the blanks meaning that went well. 01:44 < dav1d> SL37: so you read the stuff someone links you? 01:45 < dav1d> so where is the problem... 01:45 < roblabla> no Java example for a protocol originally implemented in java... 01:45 < SL37> Also they aren't examples for this I don't think. They are for authing with MC.net 01:45 < dav1d> roblabla: use mcp 01:45 < SL37> And I understand C# and C++ fluently. 01:45 < dav1d> SL37: wrong 01:45 < roblabla> dav1d: decompiling minecraft takes like a day with my laptop... 01:45 < SL37> Where am I wrong? 01:45 < dav1d> there are 5 examples, and I linked you a guide on how to do it 01:46 < dav1d> roblabla: isn't that bad 01:46 < SL37> http://mc.kev009.com/Protocol_Encryption is where I am now. 01:46 < dav1d> performance increased quite a lot 01:46 < SL37> And there I see 3. 01:46 < dav1d> SL37: I see 5 and I linked you one of these 01:46 < SL37> Examples of generating Java-style hex digests: 01:46 < dav1d> now scroll 1cm further down 01:46 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46 < SL37> Ah I see. 01:47 < dav1d> SL37: also wiki.vg 01:48 < dav1d> SL37: also if you understand that code fluently: https://github.com/Dav1dde/BraLa/blob/master/brala/network/connection.d 01:48 < dav1d> have fun, I am going to sleep 01:50 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 01:53 < SL37> Huh yeah it doesn't seem to make any sense. From that connection.d I am following the same steps. 02:02 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:11 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:18 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251CEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 02:24 <+md_5> "AES/CFB8/PKCS1Padding" ? 02:24 <+md_5> NoPadding 02:24 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-178-251-98.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:25 -!- Scootabyte [fragmer@crown-5-98.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36 < SL37> What is IV? 02:36 < SL37> So I am thinking I am missing something here. 02:37 <+ammar2> initalization vector 02:38 < SL37> Once I get 0xFD (Enc Key Req) then I respond with 0xFC then the server responds with an empty 0xFC. 02:39 < SL37> That seems to be working. Is the next step not to send an 0xCD (Client Status) w/ 0? 02:39 < SL37> I see there is something about a second 0xFC but I don't see any documentation further explaining this 0xFC. 02:40 < SL37> "After decrypting the shared secret in the second 0xFC" 02:41 < SL37> But I also packet sniffed vanilla MC client and it appeared that I should be doing everything correctly. 02:45 < Ghoul_> Hey guys 02:45 < Ghoul_> I was wondering who else gets pissed off by the fact minecraft packets don't have a length descriptor at the front of them 02:46 <+ammar2> SL37: yeah, once you receive the empty FC from the server you enable encryption and continue as you would normally 02:47 < Ghoul_> I recently tried to write a server using boost::asio 02:47 < Ghoul_> w/ 8 threads and fully async callbacks 02:47 < Ghoul_> lawd, I had to parse the packets for length to ensure they had fully arrived _and then_ I had to parse them for their actual data 02:47 < Ghoul_> ff 02:48 <+ammar2> welcome to minecraft development 02:48 < Ghoul_> lol 02:48 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:48 < Ghoul_> I guess thread per socket is probably the best way to handle minecraft async 02:48 < Ghoul_> since then you can just use blocking reads 02:49 <+ammar2> nah, you can make non blocking io work too, a couple of projects here do it already 02:50 < Ghoul_> Well 02:50 < Ghoul_> Examples? 02:51 < Ghoul_> Because I always had the issue of trying to parse the packet lengths to know how much more to receive before calling the async handler was really expensive (and tiresome) 02:52 <+ammar2> bravo comes to mind https://github.com/bravoserver/bravo 02:52 <+ammar2> its high level, python, uses twisted 02:53 <+ammar2> not sure if you'll get much useful info out of it 02:55 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:06 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251CEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 03:31 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:18 < SL37> In java what keyspec would I be using to generate a key from a recieved servers RSA key? X509EncodedKeySpec? 04:21 <+md_5> SecretKeySpec("aes") 04:21 <+md_5> iirc 04:22 < SL37> From an RSA key? 04:23 < SL37> I mean I have the byte data from the data stream that is to represent an rsa key. 04:23 < SL37> I used an X509EncodedKeySpec(byteRSAarray) 04:24 <+md_5> KeyFactory keyfactory = KeyFactory.getInstance("RSA"); 04:24 <+md_5> keyfactory.generatePublic(spec) 04:25 < SL37> KeyFactory.getInstance("RSA").generatePublic(new X509EncodedKeySpec(secret)); //Secret is the key array 04:25 < SL37> Is what I have. 04:26 < SL37> Cipher c = Cipher.getInstance("RSA/ECB/PKCS1Padding"); 04:26 < SL37> c.init(Cipher.DECRYPT_MODE, rsa_key); 04:27 < SL37> Once I try and do a c.doFinal(enc_aes_key_array) I am getting a bad padding exception. 04:36 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 04:40 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-196-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mcdevs 04:59 < SL37> I saved an RSA key and an encrypted AES key to a text file. I verified the data from packet sniffing. When reading I verified as well. And both match up perfectly. What I am trying to do is decrypt the enc_aes using the RSA. 04:59 < SL37> Which is giving me the bad padding exception. 05:02 < SL37> The weird part is it is saying is saying Blocktype mismatch: -85 but I don't have a -85 (0xab) in my aes key. 05:07 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-196-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mcdevs 05:16 -!- SuperStunts [7890bc41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.144.188.65] has joined #mcdevs 05:17 < SuperStunts> Hi, anyone know how to install python blessings on centos? 05:29 -!- SuperStunts [7890bc41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.144.188.65] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:46 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B251CEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:47 <+SpaceManiac> Berkeley is nifty 05:51 -!- RainbowDashTable is now known as cathode 06:26 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 06:40 -!- Scryptonite [~scryptoni@50-76-102-195-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:01 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has joined #mcdevs 07:34 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:55 -!- umby24 [~umby24@cpe-66-69-92-104.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 08:12 -!- Guest54248 [~exe@85.28.181.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:13 -!- umby24 is now known as umby24|offline 08:22 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 08:31 -!- exe [~exe@85.28.181.103] has joined #mcdevs 08:31 -!- exe is now known as Guest38104 09:23 -!- kev009 [~kev009@tempe0.bbox.io] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 10:10 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 10:53 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 11:27 < pbunny> is there a way to disable achievements server-side ? 11:28 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@crown-5-98.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 11:28 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 11:36 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 11:45 < Calinou> no 11:45 < Calinou> all achievements are client side 12:11 < pbunny> what is the maximum number of chunks i can send in 0x38 (chunk bulk) packet? 12:12 < dav1d> I think it's unlimited (well limited by the type specifieng the number of chunks sent) 12:13 < pbunny> i remember seeing limit of 50 or so somewhere in wiki (values higher will cause client to crash) but can't find it anymore 12:33 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:29 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:31 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33 -!- pdelvo [~pdelvo@mcdevs/trusted/pdelvo] has joined #mcdevs 13:33 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v pdelvo] by ChanServ 13:38 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 13:46 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 13:58 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 14:06 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41 < pbunny> for some weird reason only 0x0 chunk is processed correctly on client when i send 0x38 packet 14:41 < pbunny> chunks with any other positions are ignored 14:41 < pbunny> any ideas? 14:42 < dav1d> what if you only send one chunk at a time? 14:42 < dav1d> bukkit did that for a long time (maybe still does it) 14:43 < pbunny> dav1d: no difference 14:43 < pbunny> oh, you mean 0x33 ? 14:43 < pbunny> well i got 0x38 working on previous (ugly) version of my server 14:44 < pbunny> dav1d: can you connect to anonymous.lv:1337 and see what's going on? 14:44 < pbunny> it should send a single 1x1 chunk in 0x38 (spawn position is 20x20) 14:45 < pbunny> however client behaves like chunk wasn't received 14:45 < dav1d> nope sorry I can't 14:45 < dav1d> I have nothing set up right now 15:07 < pbunny> ok, i forgot to reverse endianness 15:07 < pbunny> stupid java 16:00 < jast> it's called network byte order... not exclusively a java thing 16:19 -!- Unknown42121 [~fdfa@23-29-126-102.dallas.lonlinet.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:19 -!- Mediator [~fdfa@c-50-134-249-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31 -!- Mediator [~fdfa@c-50-134-249-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 16:34 -!- Unknown42121 [~fdfa@23-29-126-102.dallas.lonlinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:48 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] http://git.io/H8iFMg 16:48 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo 8760ff5 - in packet 0x66, "shift" must be of type byte instead of boolean 16:51 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 17:12 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 17:17 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:19 -!- Peterman [Peterman@gotobread.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:46 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has joined #mcdevs 17:52 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 18:53 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has joined #mcdevs 19:08 -!- roblabla [~pi@host86-178-251-98.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:14 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has joined #mcdevs 19:14 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has quit [Changing host] 19:14 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 19:19 -!- Peterman [Peterman@gotobread.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:52 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58 -!- HaltingState [~HaltingSt@unaffiliated/haltingstate] has joined #mcdevs 20:12 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 20:16 < TkTech> https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/323049123664257024 20:19 < eddyb> from #minecraft: you can list and invalidate sessions/tokens 20:20 < eddyb> for example, you can share your account with someone without them being able to know your password, and you can revoke that access at any time 20:20 < roblabla> ._. that's awesome 20:22 < roblabla> eddyb: but can you have multiple valid tokens ? 20:22 < Grum> the idea was to eventually support upto 3 20:22 < eddyb> roblabla: IIRC yeah 20:22 < Grum> the number is kinda pulled from our ass though, we'll do whatever is a comfortable number to handle :) 20:23 < SinZ> so, lastlogin doesnt exist anymore, neat 20:23 < Grum> yeah no more 'oh hai password' 20:23 < eddyb> oh, and you might be able to have multiple copies of minecraft, each with its own username, under one mojang account 20:23 < Grum> yeah we'll end up doing a blizzard-style dropdown if you have multiple accounts 20:23 < Grum> (where you login, then select the account to play with) 20:30 < ShaRose> sweet 20:30 < ShaRose> when I came up with my auth idea I think I was thinking of 3-5 as well :V 20:31 -!- rclancy [~Ryan@rn.ryan-clancy.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:32 < TkTech> Grum: Any consideration for "parental controls"? 20:32 < eddyb> oh, heh 20:32 < Grum> TkTech: what sort? 20:33 < TkTech> For example an adult owning the mojang account and kids allowed to have their own under that. 20:33 < TkTech> Simple things for small children, like a "This user cannot play online" checkbox. 20:33 < eddyb> the parent mojang account can be used for all of them. and the parent can invalidate their tokens 20:33 < Grum> hmm nothing like that planned 20:33 < eddyb> if they don't know the password, they just can't play 20:34 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 20:34 < SinZ> then you have the problem, what happens when the child is old enough to have his/her own mojang account 20:34 < TkTech> Exactly, it lends itself to it nicely, just need to build on it. 20:34 < SinZ> how easy would it be to transfer 20:34 < Grum> euuh not really trivial to do 'right' 20:34 < Grum> also ... they'll just use another launcher? :/ 20:34 < TkTech> We're talking young kids here Grum. 20:35 < TkTech> Nothing complex necessary, just very simple controls. 20:35 < SinZ> the kids still too young to play CoD 20:35 < TkTech> I know many people (and some at work) that play with their kids who are very young. 20:35 < Grum> not really sure what the issue is with online play though 20:36 < SinZ> stay safe online 20:36 < SinZ> they dont know that 20:36 < Grum> 'very young' 20:36 < SinZ> dont know the concept of griefing 20:36 < eddyb> also, minecraft can be addictive :P 20:36 < TkTech> Grum: Co-worker X has two kids who play Minecraft with him and come home on the bus or with mom long before he does. 20:36 < TkTech> Grum: He'd love to let them play whenever they wanted but doesn't let them go online without supervision. 20:37 < ShaRose> TkTech they can just play offline 20:38 < Grum> i guess for that its would be best to have a 'timeslot' per mc-account and have the auth-server simply prevent them from playing online 20:38 < ShaRose> I'm assuming he has software to block access to the internet for third party applications, right? 20:38 < ShaRose> if so there's nothing to worry about 20:38 < Grum> or that indeed 20:38 < Grum> there is far better software for that than what we can provide 20:38 < ShaRose> it'll just say "Can't connect, wanna play online? Ok then, launching" 20:38 < ShaRose> and then they can connect to a lan server they can play on together or something 20:39 < TkTech> But how does that work when one kid shares his world with LAN play? 20:39 < ShaRose> if MC is blocked from internet access it'd share it.. over lan 20:39 < Grum> that is only local? 20:39 < TkTech> But does LAN work with two users from the same account? 20:39 < Grum> it should 20:40 < Grum> you login as a different mc-user 20:40 < ShaRose> well they'd need different names yeah 20:40 < Grum> if they select two different accounts, should just work fine 20:41 < TkTech> Okay, so, WAN is blocked, clients are forced offline. 20:41 < Grum> they have to have been logged in before 20:41 < TkTech> Two kids using previously-logged in launchers (by Dad) want to play on the lan. 20:41 < Grum> should be fine? 20:42 < ShaRose> ^ 20:42 < TkTech> Yay 20:43 < Grum> they can just play in offline mode but that still lets lan-work 20:43 < Grum> s/-/ / 20:43 < TkTech> There are going to be lots of little edge cases with this, I think. 20:43 < Grum> not really sure how 20:43 < Grum> if you play offline you just so not get a session from the login-server 20:43 < TkTech> User logs into server, user changes name, user logs back into that same server using another launcher. 20:43 < Grum> so the session server will not let you play anywhere 20:43 < TkTech> Does the sever limit connections by username or by account 20:44 < Grum> it doesnt limit connections at all 20:44 < Grum> active sessionkey, just like it is now, per mc (NOT mojang) account 20:44 < ShaRose> I thought it did limit one user per name though 20:45 < TkTech> It's supposed to, hence why I see a problem. 20:45 < Grum> nah it just remembers the last session id i think 20:45 < Grum> TkTech: what is the 'problem' ? 20:46 < TkTech> Grum: Do I assume correctly that you'll be able to change, create, or delete usernames under this one master account? 20:46 < Grum> wait, lets the the terminology right 20:46 < Grum> what do you consider 'username' 20:46 < Grum> because right not it is: 1 mc account per mojang account 20:46 < TkTech> A username is the name that shows up over your head in Minecraft, the account is the mojang account you logged in with. 20:46 < Grum> it will be 'multiple mc accounts' per mojang account 20:47 < TkTech> So each must be purchased and attached? 20:47 < Grum> yes 20:47 < TkTech> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. 20:47 < SinZ> Also, is login.minecraft.net getting a revamp for the launcher? 20:47 < Grum> yes 20:47 < SinZ> including more error messages? 20:47 < Grum> or rather; we'll be making a new api on it; the current one will remain working but only for 1.5.x 20:47 < Grum> (basically the old launcher) 20:49 < Grum> and you're going to need the new launcher to have any chance of starting the 1.6 and up 20:50 < SinZ> including with the snapshots? 20:50 < Grum> yes 20:51 < Grum> whch is why there are no snapshots 20:51 < Grum> as the launcher is not existing 20:51 < SinZ> it'll be fun to watch the modding community react to the launcher 20:52 < Grum> i guess stuff will adapt and soon it wont be used anymore 20:52 < Grum> best fun is, we can break everything for people not using our launcher ... as we can push out changes whenever we please 20:53 < Grum> you'll get the update when you run the launcher for the second time at the worst-worst-case 20:55 < Grum> the best solution for modders is actually sit between the launcher and the start of mc 20:57 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:58 < SinZ> is the launcher going to have modding support in it? or is that the job for the plugin API when it is usable 20:58 < Grum> no support at all 21:00 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@crown-5-98.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15 < ShaRose> Grum on that note, will you be letting the forge guys know what the MC side changes will be, since they do a relaunch? 21:17 < ShaRose> in other news, once again I try and see if there are any new headsets out that I might want to use to replace my G930 21:25 -!- umby24 is now known as umby24|offline 21:48 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 21:50 < Grum> ShaRose: they already know for some time 22:04 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:05 < SL37> How do I convert the servers RSA key (that was received in ASN1 format) from packet 0xFD back into an RSA key? 22:05 < SL37> I am working in java. 22:06 < SL37> Key rsa_key = KeyFactory.getInstance("RSA").generatePublic(new X509EncodedKeySpec(asn1_key_byte_arr)); 22:06 < SL37> That is what I have and doesn't seem to be working. 22:09 < Grum> look at the mc code? :P 22:10 < SinZ> Grum: this isn't #minecraftforge where all answers are look at mc code <3 22:13 < Grum> SL37: 22:13 < Grum> final EncodedKeySpec keySpec = new X509EncodedKeySpec(keyData); 22:13 < Grum> final KeyFactory keyFactory = KeyFactory.getInstance(ASYMMETRIC_ALGORITHM); 22:13 < Grum> return keyFactory.generatePublic(keySpec); 22:13 < SL37> Yeah I was thinking of looking at the MC code. I saw there was a semi nice program to even mostly de-obfuscate. I checked out what I could find online since decompiling will take a little time and I assume the de-obfuscate will also. 22:13 < Grum> public static final String ASYMMETRIC_ALGORITHM = "RSA"; 22:14 < Grum> so yeah that should be working 22:14 < Grum> a little time being ~15 mins setup and 1 minute running 22:14 < Grum> 1 minute for the first one if you have done it before :p 22:14 < edk> deobfuscation isn't perfect, obviously 22:14 < Grum> you must be mangling the bytedata? 22:15 < SL37> No I haven't. Nor am I aware of what the obfuscated code is. So I cant even pull out say class ssn.class or something. 22:15 < Grum> anyhow, i just pasted how we do it in minecraft itself :) 22:15 < Grum> which looks rather similar to what you do 22:15 < SL37> I don't think so. I dumped both an RSA and an enc_aes key. 22:16 < Grum> erm 22:16 < Grum> you do realize i actually have access? and i just literally pasted it from our sourcebase right? :) 22:16 < SL37> From a vanilla client connection to a vanilla server. 22:16 < SL37> Since in my client I am getting my auth working. The server returns an fc packet with zero payload. 22:17 < edk> SL37, are you saying the AES key is transmitted over the network connection? 22:17 < SL37> But then after that I tried and send my client status packet with a 0 encrypted with my aes key and no go. 22:17 < SL37> And yes, it sends the AES key enc by the servers RSA key in packet FC 22:17 < Grum> with your aes key? 22:17 < Grum> you should crypt it with the public key you get from the server (the RSA one) 22:18 < Grum> that way only the server can read your aes key 22:18 < Grum> which was the whole point of that code :) 22:18 < SL37> Yeah so I made an AES key and sent it enc by the servers RSA key. 22:18 < edk> or someone with a quantum computer, which is not a serious consideration at this point in time 22:18 < SL37> Along with an enc of the verify. 22:18 < edk> so i'm not /quite/ sure why i mentioned it 22:19 < SL37> The server then responded with an empty fc packet. 22:19 < SL37> Which should mean that I properly enc-ed everything since it thinks the verify is good. 22:19 < SL37> But then once I try and send my client status packet I get an instant kick. 22:19 < SL37> Sorry not kick, drop. 22:20 < SL37> "lost connection.: 22:20 < SL37> My cipher for encypting my aes packet is "AES/CFB8/NoPadding" so idk what is up. 22:21 < SL37> I am trying to get back a vanilla client's AES key that was enc-ed by an RSA key which I also dumped. That way I can re-create the same cd packet. 22:22 < Grum> you dumped this key on the serverside right? 22:22 < SL37> In the middle. I ran a packet sniffer. 22:22 < Grum> you need the private part of that RSA key 22:22 < Grum> yeah, you cant 22:22 < SL37> Ah I see then. 22:22 < SL37> That would make sense. 22:23 < SL37> Damn ok so then I think I know what may be up. 22:23 < Grum> yeah you are trrying to play man in the middle, which you cant :p 22:23 < Grum> which was the whole reason why I added this in the first place, so you couldn't do that anymore ;) 22:23 < SL37> I forgot I can only enc with the pub key. 22:24 < ShaRose> technically you can decrypt with the public key: stuff that was encrypted by the private key :P 22:24 < ShaRose> it's a pair and works both ways 22:24 < ShaRose> though you should never do that 22:24 < ShaRose> because it'll potentially leak information about the other 22:24 < SL37> Yeah although it was enc-ed by the pub key. 22:25 < SL37> Hmm then I have no idea what is wrong with my send. 22:25 < SL37> I can enc and dec with the same AES key though no? 22:26 < ShaRose> you are trying to do the thing that the protocol was specifically designed to make impossible (or rather really really hard) 22:26 < Grum> yes, that one is symmetric 22:26 < ShaRose> yes 22:26 < ShaRose> ^ 22:26 < Grum> but for someone in the middle there is no way of knowing what the aes key is 22:26 < SL37> No I will be running on my modded client. 22:26 < ShaRose> ^ 22:26 < SL37> Which will be creating the aes key. 22:27 < SL37> I was only attempting to dump the keys so then I could try and match the traffic with a vanilla MC. 22:27 < SL37> Since that is out the window I have to hack away at my 0xCD response to see what is up. 22:28 < ShaRose> or alternatively modify the connection handling class to copy and route all information to another connection after it decrypts 22:29 < SL37> Yeah I was hoping not to have to hack through a ton of MC code. But I will give this another try since I have a feeling I am doing something stuoid on my part. 22:29 < Grum> you dont really have much of a choice :p 22:29 < SL37> I am going to try sending the CD packet un encrypted to see if it even looks right. 22:29 < SL37> Since somewhere might be throwing my order around. 22:30 < SL37> Or something idk. 22:34 < SL37> So my unencrypted packet should look like (cd 00) yeah? 22:35 < SL37> Two bytes 0 for spawn. 22:36 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [] 22:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has joined #mcdevs 22:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@cpe-173-175-165-69.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:46 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has joined #mcdevs 22:49 < SL37> Hmm I have my AES key which allows me to encrypt fine. But once I try and make a decrypt cipher it tells me there are parameters missing? What am I doing wrong. 22:49 < SL37> KeyGenerator keyGen = KeyGenerator.getInstance("AES"); 22:49 < SL37> keyGen.init(128); 22:49 < SL37> k = keyGen.generateKey(); 22:50 < SL37> k is a SecretKey btw. 22:52 -!- eddyb is now known as Eddymerica 22:52 -!- Eddymerica is now known as eddyb 22:54 < SL37> Ah apparently I need the IV I think. 22:57 < SinZ> IV is the key 23:02 < SL37> Oh so should I be sending the IV to the server? 23:02 < SL37> Not my AES? 23:06 < SL37> OH I think I get what is up now. 23:07 < SL37> I have been doing this way out of wack ah cool cool. 23:18 < SL37> So what exactly am I sending back during the FC packet? 23:22 < SL37> I should be sending a 16byte AES key that I generate no? 23:27 < SL37> Ah there we go got it working :) 23:37 < dav1d> graz 23:51 < SinZ> hmm, no Query implementation in C# 23:52 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56 <+ammar2> dav1d: was that awesomeomium problem fixed? 23:56 <+ammar2> with the choppy animations 23:57 < dav1d> ammar2: it will be in awesomium 1.7.5 23:57 < dav1d> but I think I will drop awesomium 23:57 < dav1d> it is really awesome, but too fat 23:57 < dav1d> also I don't like it that it's closed source 23:57 <+ammar2> yeah, its a pretty heavy dependency 23:58 * SinZ has never heard of awesomium 23:58 < dav1d> SinZ: chromium offscreen rendering helper thingy 23:58 < SinZ> ah 23:58 < dav1d> so you render html to a texture 23:59 -!- Irssi: #mcdevs: Total of 105 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 11 voices, 93 normal] --- Day changed dim. avril 14 2013 00:00 <+ammar2> though I've never been able to figure out how to make pretty GUIs with native applictions :P 00:04 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 -!- jargan [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 00:05 -!- GameMakerGm [~gamemaker@wikia/Gamemakergm] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:10 -!- jast [~jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 00:11 -!- jast [~jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12 -!- Prf_Jako1 [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 00:12 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jako1] by ChanServ 00:12 -!- jargan [jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:14 -!- Prf_Jako1 is now known as Prf_Jakob 00:15 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 00:22 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1958 2 files : Added more parameter constraint checks to MapGeneratorArgs. 00:22 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24 -!- jast [jast@zoidberg.org] has joined #mcdevs 00:31 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B250B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 00:36 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 00:48 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 00:58 < SL37> How do I send the sha1hash to the joinserver.jsp? Should it be in its raw byte form or do I need to be converting it to a string? 00:59 < SL37> For example say the first value of the key is 21, do I send 21 or do I send "21" 00:59 < dav1d> it's a sha1 hash in hex converted to twos compliment first, iirc 01:00 < SL37> Yeah which is fine. It appears that (byte)val automatically places it in twos. 01:00 < SL37> As well as there is no leading zeros. 01:00 < dav1d> yeah java, lol 01:01 < SL37> I am getting back OK from my joinserver request but my server is still popping up Failed to varify username. So I assume this is a problem with my hash. 01:01 < SL37> md.update(server_id.getBytes("US-ASCII")); 01:01 < SL37> md.update(shared_secret); 01:01 < SL37> md.update(server_rsa_enc); 01:02 < SL37> sha1hash = md.digest(); 01:02 < SL37> So I am pretty sure I am generating the hash correctly. 01:04 <+ammar2> well thats slightly misleading 01:04 <+ammar2> why would you call your sha1 hash object md 01:05 < SL37> No I called my message digest md. 01:05 < SL37> And I am just trying to get things working. My code is atrocious. 01:11 < SL37> And my sha1object that is the byte array is called sha1hash. 01:11 < SL37> Although I could have called my digest sha1hash and then just sent sha1hash.digest(); 01:23 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26 -!- umby24|offline is now known as umby24 02:02 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 02:31 -!- MadMockers [~MadMocker@unaffiliated/madmockers] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31 -!- MadMockers [~MadMocker@202.81.215.163] has joined #mcdevs 02:31 -!- MadMockers [~MadMocker@202.81.215.163] has quit [Changing host] 02:31 -!- MadMockers [~MadMocker@unaffiliated/madmockers] has joined #mcdevs 02:37 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 02:58 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:58 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:04 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:08 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:12 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 03:21 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 03:24 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:24 -!- Jailout20001 is now known as Jailout2000 03:53 < SL37> What does it mean by "sha1.update(ASCII encoding of the server id string from 0xFD)" 03:53 < SL37> I am confused by the ASCII encoding part. 03:54 < SL37> When I grab the server id I read it in as a character in USC-2 format when I get it from 0xFD 03:54 < SL37> Should I be reading it in ascii format? 03:59 -!- zutto [~sami@a91-152-187-162.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #mcdevs 04:00 <+ammar2> SL37: what language were you using again? 04:00 < SL37> Java 04:00 < SL37> When creating my hash it doesn't seem to be working. I assume I am reading or placing the server id into my sha1 incorrectly. 04:01 < SL37> My hash isn't matching up with the servers hash it is creating. 04:02 < zutto> I was wondering, is the http://wiki.vg/Protocol_FAQ page still accurate as of 1.5.x? 04:03 < SL37> Weird, jsut worked. But it mostly fails? 04:06 -!- Jailout20001 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 04:10 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10 < SL37> Hmm seems to be working perfectly now. Idk whats up because I didn't change anything. 04:10 < roblabla> It's magic 04:11 < SL37> Yup it is only working some of the time. Weird so I am reading in the server id incorrectly. 04:22 < SL37> In java how should I be reading in the string. I am having a hard time with this apparently? 04:22 < SL37> I am using a DataInputBuffer 04:23 < SL37> When using in.readChar() it is failing to read it in properly I think since my sha1 is screwing up. 04:26 < SL37> Ah damn ok nope it is my hexdigest method 04:31 < zutto> so.. could someone give me hints what i am missing / failing on, i'm building a console client for minecraft in c#/mono.. and i am sending handshake, the 0xCD packet, and i am receiving the player coordinates (0x0D), and i am re-sending them back to the server with stance & y swapped (as instructed in the wiki), and then i am trying to re-send the packet with increased x&y values (x+1 - y+1), and yet the 04:31 < zutto> client isnt moving in the server at all 04:31 < zutto> I am able to send messages and stuff just fine, and the client appears in server 04:33 < SinZ> anyone know who made the team800 MC classic client? 04:37 -!- Jailout20001 is now known as Jailout2000 04:51 <+md_5> zutto 1 is too large, send more smaller ones 04:51 < zutto> how small are we talking about? 0.1, 0.01? 04:52 < zutto> cause i started with 0.5 ;l 04:52 <+md_5> 0.1 04:52 < zutto> i'll give it a go 04:52 <+md_5> cant recall what my bot does, but I;m leaving now so cant check 04:55 < zutto> no luck with decreasing the amount it moves :/ 04:58 -!- SL37 [SL37@CPEbcc810139ea6-CMbcc810139ea3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 05:02 < zutto> strange thing about this whole problem is that if i intentionally set the values to some random numbers, i get kicked with "[SEVERE] bot was caught trying to crash the server with an invalid position." message in console 05:03 < zutto> so i would assume nothing is wrong with how i send the packet there 05:16 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@199.254.116.102] has joined #mcdevs 05:16 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@199.254.116.102] has quit [Changing host] 05:16 -!- XAMPP [~XAMPP@botters/xampp] has joined #mcdevs 05:29 -!- SL37 [SL37@CPEbcc810139ea6-CMbcc810139ea3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 05:29 < SL37> Can anyone tell me what exactly is the point of the http authentication? 05:30 < zutto> to verify that you have 'legit' client? 05:30 < SL37> If a server is in offline mode does it lose any features? 05:30 < zutto> legit as in you have bought minecraft 05:30 < zutto> no, i dont think so 05:31 < SL37> Alright that is what I figured. And I assume a client then cannot have multiple session ids? 05:31 < zutto> no idea about that 05:32 < SL37> Hmm either way I should be alright. 05:36 < zutto> grh, i am really lost 05:37 < zutto> been trying to figure this out for few hours now 05:41 < SL37> What are you stuck with? 05:42 < zutto> i'm unable to get my bot to move 05:42 < zutto> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5381335 <- 05:43 < SL37> What language? 05:43 < zutto> c#/mono 05:44 < SL37> I'll take a look. I haven't gotten that far yet. 05:44 < zutto> kay 05:48 -!- Mediator [~fdfa@c-50-134-249-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53 < zutto> holy shit 05:53 < zutto> i was packing the packet wrong >_> 05:54 < zutto> and yes, i just spent 5 hours figuring that out.. i was 100% sure it was correct -.- 05:57 < SL37> That is aweful. 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< Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] stith d0664f3 - Connect to a server's SRV record if they specify one 06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] stith 8825541 - Only look for SRV records if necessary Vanilla client implementation only looks for SRV records when the server port isn't specified, so let's mirror that behavior. 06:26 < Not-001> [node-minecraft-protocol] zuazo a48d6dc - Merge pull request #55 from stith/patch-1 Connect to a server's SRV record if they specify one 06:39 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has joined #mcdevs 06:50 -!- umby24 is now known as umby24|offline 06:52 -!- Grum [~grum@irc.grum.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:54 -!- Grum [~grum@irc.grum.nl] has joined #mcdevs 07:25 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:32 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 07:33 -!- pbunny [pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:40 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Fixed handling of PlayerSearchOptions.ReturnSelfIfNoOthersMatched flag in PlayerDB.FindPlayerInfoOrPrintMatches. Holy crap these names are getting verbose. 11:15 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 11:16 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Client Quit] 11:23 -!- pbunny [pbunny@stdout.lulzsec.com] has joined #mcdevs 11:24 < Not-001> [fCraft] fragmer * r1964 4 files : Minor code cleanup in ModerationCommands, FlatMapGenerator, RealisticMapGenerator, and ZipStorer. 11:35 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 11:43 < pbunny> what is the difference between default, flat, or largeBiomes level-type ? 11:43 < SinZ> thats vannila world generation 11:44 < pbunny> what does it mean to client? 11:44 < pbunny> they are sent in login request 11:44 < SinZ> flat doesnt render void fog, and not sure what largeBiomes has 11:46 < pbunny> where did you get that info from? 11:48 < SinZ> flatland worlds dont have void fog, I know from experience 11:49 < jast> flat would be pretty pointless with void fog 11:50 < jast> chances are largeBiomes is not actually different on the client side 11:50 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 11:51 <+Fador> was that parameter already there when the client generated biomes? 11:55 < pbunny> what is the purpose of sending Difficulty to client? 11:58 < jast> informational, most likely 12:09 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:13 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02 -!- roblabla|Sleepin is now known as roblabla 13:31 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has joined #mcdevs 13:31 -!- eddyb [~eddy@188.26.221.214] has quit [Changing host] 13:31 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has joined #mcdevs 13:36 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has joined #mcdevs 13:51 -!- Prf_Jako1 [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #mcdevs 13:51 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Prf_Jako1] by ChanServ 13:52 -!- Prf_Jakob [~jakob@c-3b27e155.1214-1-64736c20.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:53 -!- Prf_Jako1 is now known as Prf_Jakob 14:20 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:27 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 14:28 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 14:28 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 14:48 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@88-117-39-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #mcdevs 14:48 -!- [z]2 [~z@cpc2-seac20-2-0-cust453.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 14:49 -!- [z] [~z@cpc2-seac20-2-0-cust453.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@77.117.246.80.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #mcdevs 15:28 -!- Paprikachu [~Paprikach@88-117-39-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:33 -!- XAMPP-8 [~XAMPP8@199.254.116.104] has joined #mcdevs 15:38 -!- Zachoz is now known as Zachoz|Away 15:44 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 16:15 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 16:24 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has joined #mcdevs 16:25 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:27 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 16:32 -!- Paprikac_ [~Paprikach@77.117.246.80.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- XAMPP-8 [~XAMPP8@199.254.116.104] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 -!- inkoate [~inkoate@li534-222.members.linode.com] has joined #mcdevs 16:45 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:48 < inkoate> In response to my server's login packet, the client is giving the error "Received string length longer than maximum allowed (1792 > 16)" 16:48 < inkoate> Does anyone know what exactly that means? I don't think I'm sending 1792 bytes to the client in the login packet. 16:56 -!- jspiros [jspiros@hylia.us] has joined #mcdevs 16:59 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #mcdevs 17:02 < inkoate> Is binary.BigEndian.PutUint32 the best way to convert from int to []byte? 17:02 < inkoate> And why is there not a signed version? 17:02 < inkoate> whoops, wrong window, sorry, ignore. 17:06 -!- SL37 [SL37@CPEbcc810139ea6-CMbcc810139ea3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #mcdevs 17:07 < SL37> It states that I can send an 0xCD packet in response to an 0xFD packet to bypass encryption no? 17:07 < SL37> I am trying to do that and the server forces 'lost connection' 17:08 < SL37> Ah figured it out. 17:12 < SL37> I assume enc cannot be bypassed with online-mode:true 17:12 < SL37> Since it needs the enc to create the username verify hash? 17:12 < pbunny> inkoate: check endianness of string length short 17:13 < pbunny> 1792 is 7 if endianess reversed 17:13 < pbunny> which is probably the real length of string you send 17:13 < inkoate> huh 17:14 < pbunny> $ebuf=openssl_decrypt($buf,'aes-128-cfb8',$secret,true); 17:14 < pbunny> this decrypts the data from server wrong 17:14 < pbunny> number of decrypted bytes is ok, but they are not as they are supposed to be 17:14 < pbunny> and $secret is correct 17:14 < pbunny> any suggestions? 17:15 < inkoate> bam, just that easy. 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I'm just wondering about the actual data structure. 19:06 < ezdiy> yeah 19:06 < ezdiy> https://github.com/barneygale/smpmap/blob/master/smpmap.py 19:06 < inkoate> I guess I don't know yet how deflate works, so maybe I need to look at that. 19:06 < ezdiy> i used that to get actual idea 19:06 < ezdiy> deflate is just compression, not actually relevant in grand scheme of things :) 19:07 < ezdiy> and yes, the packet format is braindamaged and horribly inefficient, much like anything mc related :) 19:07 < inkoate> lol, yeah 19:09 < inkoate> ok, yeah, so this stores it in a flat array 19:09 < inkoate> not a multidim 19:09 < inkoate> so the 17th item is actually the first item of the second row. 19:09 < inkoate> it seems. 19:10 < ezdiy> offset 16 yeah :) 19:11 < ezdiy> ie y=0,z=1,x=0 19:12 < inkoate> yeah, exactly. 19:12 < inkoate> ok 19:12 < inkoate> thanks for the link. :) 19:13 < pbunny> wtf 19:13 < pbunny> my skin changed to bear on my server 19:13 < pbunny> O.o 19:13 < dav1d> pedobear? 19:14 < pbunny> yes 19:14 < pbunny> looks like him 19:15 < dav1d> then pay for minecraft so you have your own skin? 19:15 < pbunny> http://dump.bitcheese.net/images/ysoceke/2013-04-15_20.05.16.png 19:15 < pbunny> O.o 19:15 < pbunny> how so? 19:15 < pbunny> is today a pedobear day? 19:15 < Flemmard> i dont think one day could even be a pedobear day 19:15 < ezdiy> dav1d: yeah i do that a lot 19:16 < ezdiy> whenever someone loves to impersonate me on cracked server 19:16 < ezdiy> just change skin to black person with swastikas :) 19:18 < pbunny> well this is my server and its running on localhost 19:18 < pbunny> i coded it 19:18 < pbunny> today, skin is of pedobear for some reason 19:18 < pbunny> so it's a client thingie 19:18 < ezdiy> skin is downloaded by client indeed 19:18 < pbunny> even if i don't do minecraft.net auth? 19:18 < ezdiy> especially if you dont do mc.net auth :) 19:19 < ezdiy> you're wearing skin of whomever's nick youre wearing 19:19 < pbunny> O.o 19:19 < dav1d> pbunny: of course it is 19:19 < pbunny> ezdiy: wow! 19:19 < dav1d> buy minecraft then you can set your own skin 19:19 < pbunny> well nick is Player133 19:20 < dav1d> client fetches it from some amazon node 19:20 < ezdiy> http://mcskinsearch.com/skin/Player133 19:20 < ezdiy> well 19:20 < ezdiy> its a pedobear! 19:20 < ezdiy> :) 19:20 < pbunny> O_O 19:20 < pbunny> well.. its only for me, isn't it? 19:20 < pbunny> the Player133 is sent by client to server on connect, but ignored by server 19:21 < pbunny> since login he will use nickname that is registered on server 19:21 < ezdiy> no sorry cant do 19:21 < ezdiy> one has to admit this kind of drm is brilliant 19:22 < ezdiy> pbunny: only workaround is to force all your players to hack /etc/hosts 19:22 < ezdiy> which you want to do anyway for proper auth 19:22 < ezdiy> /login in chat is just retarded :) 19:22 < pbunny> ezdiy: when client looks up skins of other players? 19:23 < pbunny> when server sends Spawn Named Entity ? 19:23 < ezdiy> yep 19:23 < pbunny> hmm, so technically somebody can register as Player133 on my server and appear to be pedobear to others? 19:23 < dav1d> you see the exact url when the skin servers are down 19:23 < ezdiy> as long theyre using unmoded client, yes 19:23 < roblabla> There's another workaround... 19:23 < ezdiy> roblabla: hmm? 19:23 < roblabla> Make your clients use a mod 19:23 < ezdiy> yeah 19:24 < ezdiy> yep 19:24 < roblabla> Much easier o_O 19:24 < ezdiy> depends 19:24 < pbunny> i don't see any problems of funny skins running on my server 19:24 < pbunny> :) 19:24 < ezdiy> /etc/hosts is portable across new mc releases 19:24 < roblabla> erm... yeah... but it's a pain to ask your clients to edit 19:24 < dav1d> ezdiy: windows? tell a windows user to edit his host... 19:24 < roblabla> especially since the majority of minecraft players are kids who have no idea what the hosts file is 19:24 < ezdiy> roblabla: just edit via launcher :) 19:25 < roblabla> dav1d: windows has a hosts file too 19:25 < dav1d> somewhere in system32/config shit 19:25 < dav1d> no one will go there 19:25 < ezdiy> ie launcher can stay the same 19:25 < dav1d> roblabla: tell this a windows user... 19:25 < ezdiy> modding minecraft.jar is pita 19:25 < dav1d> grep for the url and replace it in the jar? 19:25 < roblabla> It's not that bad ... 19:25 < ezdiy> dav1d: yeah, that probably too 19:25 < dav1d> roblabla: for you and me, someone who never even touched windows or system32 gets a big security warning 19:26 < dav1d> also 19:26 < dav1d> pay for the fucking game 19:26 < dav1d> 10$ 19:26 < ezdiy> or use fully opensource alternatives 19:26 < ezdiy> if youre die hard gpl hippy 19:26 < dav1d> ^ which don't exist 19:26 < ezdiy> well all are inferior indeed 19:26 < roblabla> They do. They just suck. 19:26 < dav1d> well, no client which ehm is playable 19:26 < dav1d> roblabla: thanks :P 19:27 < pbunny> um, guys 19:27 < pbunny> i have no problem with pedobears running around on my server 19:27 < ezdiy> pbunny: what about nazi niggers? :) 19:27 < dav1d> ezdiy: that's what he gets for not paying 19:27 < dav1d> ezdiy: also this would be kinda funny again 19:27 < ezdiy> pbunny: you should probably implement mc.net auth 19:28 < roblabla> mc.net auth ??? And I wish I could send custom skins to the clients 19:28 < ezdiy> haha 19:28 < ezdiy> there it goes, modded client 19:29 < roblabla> for things like NPCs, it would be so useful 19:29 < ezdiy> btw 19:29 < pbunny> ezdiy: i use my own auth on my server 19:29 < pbunny> two reasons 19:29 < ezdiy> the client could be probably modded 19:29 < ezdiy> using http_proxy env variable 19:29 < dav1d> 1. I don't have minecraft 19:29 < ezdiy> no etc hosts 19:29 < pbunny> 1) faster connect 2) reliability, independence from minecraft.net servers 19:30 < roblabla> bwahaha 19:30 < roblabla> faster connect ? 19:30 < pbunny> i.e. if they shut them down, my server remains 19:30 < roblabla> I kinda doubt that 19:30 < ezdiy> pbunny: sure, those are all legit reasons 19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: yeah, one less request from client and from server 19:30 < ezdiy> except 19:30 < ezdiy> everyone bought into mohjang drm scheme 19:30 < ezdiy> so 19:30 < ezdiy> suck it up 19:30 < roblabla> Do you use your own mojang-like auth ? 19:30 < pbunny> ? 19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: no 19:30 < roblabla> or do you use something like authme ? 19:30 < pbunny> roblabla: its an in-game auth 19:30 < pbunny> like /login user pass 19:30 < roblabla> then let me tell you something : mojang-style is faster 19:30 < ezdiy> ingame sucks donkey balls 19:30 < pbunny> why? 19:30 < roblabla> because I have to login using /login command 19:31 < roblabla> And that's slower than typing my password and remembering it in a convenient window 19:31 < pbunny> hm 19:31 < roblabla> Thus, your statement is officially invalid. 19:31 < Flemmard> and a typo and everyone sees your pass \o/ 19:31 < ezdiy> pbunny: you can implement mc auth and just direct clients to _your_ servers 19:31 < roblabla> That too, but IDC so much :P 19:31 < ezdiy> instead of mc.net 19:31 < roblabla> but ezdiy that requires a modded launcher 19:31 < ezdiy> depends 19:32 < ezdiy> might be as simple as 19:32 < roblabla> And writing your own authentication server software implementing mojang's DRM 19:32 < ezdiy> set http_proxy=http://your.server 19:32 < ezdiy> minecraft.bat 19:32 < pbunny> ezdiy: but that will require modding 19:32 < pbunny> etc 19:32 < roblabla> You still have to write your own auth server software implementing mojang's DRM 19:32 < ezdiy> pbunny: no 19:32 < ezdiy> pbunny: you just tell java to use proxy 19:32 < roblabla> And that's a PITA XD 19:32 < ezdiy> thats all 19:32 -!- Kosmos [~Kosmos@80-219-252-7.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #mcdevs 19:32 < pbunny> ezdiy: i may implement both auth schemes in the future 19:32 -!- Kosmos [~Kosmos@80-219-252-7.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 19:32 < pbunny> so regular users can use modded client, and new ones can connect using vanila 19:33 < pbunny> vanilla * 19:33 < ezdiy> yeah 19:33 < ezdiy> that probably works best 19:36 < dav1d> how was the python server called? 19:36 < dav1d> superjoe: ^ you should know that :P 19:37 < pbunny> dav1d: iirc it was called a shit 19:37 < dav1d> pbunny: what, funny today? 19:37 < pbunny> i'm totally serious 19:38 < pbunny> python is a language developed by people who ban on #python for asking "so how do i compile python to /usr/lib64 ?" type of questions 19:38 < dav1d> aha 19:38 < pbunny> and i had to make a 4Kb patch to override hardcoded /usr/lib paths everywhere 19:39 < dav1d> so you're banned on python? 19:39 < pbunny> to install it multilib 19:39 < dav1d> pbunny: LOL 19:39 < dav1d> sorry but you are dumb 19:39 < dav1d> make 19:39 < pbunny> dav1d: by default, python keeps looking into /usr/lib/python-2.7/* and you can't change it with --with-libdir=/usr/lib64 19:39 < dav1d> make install 19:39 < dav1d> with correct environment paths 19:39 < dav1d> or if it's the 2nd install, make altinstall 19:39 < pbunny> dav1d: /usr/lib is hardwired into its source 19:40 < dav1d> no it isn't lol 19:40 < pbunny> yes it is. 19:40 < pbunny> lemme check the lines 19:40 < dav1d> I can install python to ~/home/pbunny/is/dumb 19:40 < dav1d> what I actually did 19:40 < dav1d> for a virtualenv 19:41 < pbunny> dav1d: http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/idivazu/Python-2.7.3-multilib-1.patch 19:42 < dav1d> actually it's ./configure 19:42 < dav1d> my bad 19:42 < pbunny> and http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/oxebilu/Plaintext 19:42 < dav1d> you used ./configure before right? 19:43 -!- pi1 [~pi@host109-158-64-192.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mcdevs 19:43 < dav1d> and you know what {base} is? 19:43 < pbunny> dav1d: yeah. 19:43 < dav1d> that base can be an arbitraty path? 19:43 < pbunny> as i stated multiple times, --with-libdir=/usr/lib64 makes python install libraries into /usr/lib64 19:43 < pbunny> but he looks for his modules inside /usr/lib/python-* 19:43 < pbunny> see the patches i linked to 19:43 < pbunny> for relevant files/lines 19:43 < dav1d> holy fuck 19:44 < dav1d> I think the reason you were banned on #python was not the question but your ignorance 19:44 < pbunny> have you read the patches i linked? 19:44 < dav1d> pbunny: lol 19:45 < dav1d> ./configure --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 19:45 < dav1d> found in two minutes 19:45 < zutto> do you realize pbunny what you are asking? 19:45 < zutto> its not difficult to change the directory make compiles the files 19:45 < pbunny> zutto: right 19:45 -!- roblabla [~pi@host109-158-64-206.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45 < pbunny> zutto: but it is difficult to make python not look for modules in /usr/lib/python-* 19:45 < pbunny> this /usr/lib is hardcoded in many of places 19:45 < dav1d> pbunny: trololo, ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 19:46 < pbunny> zutto: http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/oxebilu/Plaintext 19:46 < pbunny> just see 19:46 < pbunny> this patch changes these hardwired locations to /usr/lib64 19:46 < dav1d> and change the patchfile 19:46 < dav1d> sed -i -e 's#$(prefix)/lib#$(prefix)/lib64#' Makefile 19:46 < pbunny> dav1d: ./configure has no influence on lines like self.library_dirs.append(os.path.join(sys.prefix, "lib", in python modules 19:46 < pbunny> please try to understand. 19:46 < pbunny> if not, i'm done with you 19:47 < dav1d> pbunny: funny 19:47 < dav1d> because the archlinux pkgbuild works 19:47 < dav1d> and it doesn't apply any patch 19:47 < dav1d> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/li/lib32-python2/PKGBUILD 19:47 < dav1d> uups 19:47 < pbunny> well i'm talking about vanilla python source tarball 19:47 < dav1d> LOL 19:47 < dav1d> srsly, this is getting funnier and funnier 19:48 < pbunny> and you know what? this PKGBUILD is not for multi-lib system 19:48 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 19:48 < pbunny> ( in case you understand that term at all ) 19:49 < zutto> pbunny might be actually right in this 19:49 < dav1d> wat? 19:49 < zutto> if theres no x64 version of the sauce 19:49 < dav1d> pbunny: this is to install a 32 bit version for a 64bit system 19:49 < pbunny> zutto: lines like "'stdlib': '{base}/lib/python{py_version_short}'," are totally uninfluenced by configure 19:49 < pbunny> that's what he fails to understand 19:49 -!- pi1 is now known as roblabla 19:50 < dav1d> ok I have better things todo, even if it's just scratching my nose 19:50 < pbunny> dav1d: right. now go and google about "multilib systems" 19:50 < roblabla> what's going on ? 19:50 < pbunny> and surprisingly, amongst hundreds of software packages i built, python is the only one that have problems like that 19:50 < inkoate> pbunny doesn't like python, and dav1d is 13 years old. 19:50 < dav1d> we laughed about you, thanks, made our day, again 19:51 < inkoate> that's about it, roblabla 19:51 < pbunny> :) 19:51 < roblabla> riiight 19:51 < roblabla> Python is an awesome language. But nodejs is better 19:51 < dav1d> ^ lol 19:51 < roblabla> that's all I can say :) 19:51 < Calinou> ^ lol 19:51 < dav1d> ^ so true 19:52 < zutto> nodejs was intresting 19:52 < zutto> until i read the word javascript 19:52 < roblabla> That's what makes it even more awesome 19:53 < roblabla> javascript is a cool language, despite it's many flaws. 19:53 < zutto> gotta give them points for using v8 19:53 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:53 < dav1d> "javascript is a cool language, despite it's many flaws." 19:53 < dav1d> :( 19:53 < dav1d> javascript - javascript = {} 19:53 < roblabla> Whenever I want to fiddle with the minecraft protocol, I use superjoe's node-minecraft-protocol library, allows me to prototype and test stuff superfast 19:54 < roblabla> and guess what ? It's javascript :D 19:54 < zutto> when i tried nodejs, i liked the non blocking io shit in it, but it got very annoying very fast due to the bugs nodejs had 19:54 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 19:54 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 19:54 < roblabla> AND ! It's super-easy to read and understand 19:54 < dav1d> javascripts approach: fix the language with libraries 19:54 < roblabla> zutto: what version ? 19:54 < zutto> some early version, i could assume most of them are fixed 19:54 < roblabla> With 0.8, it's very stable and pretty bug-free 19:54 < roblabla> that's the version I use 19:54 < zutto> they were all file IO related bugs 19:54 < roblabla> anyhow g2g 19:55 -!- roblabla is now known as roblabla|Away 19:55 < ezdiy> node is awesome 19:55 < ezdiy> till you get stuck at odd things like, um 19:56 < ezdiy> arrays with 2 billion items in it, ummm, apparently cant do 19:56 < ezdiy> (anything memory intenstive seems to be broken actually) 19:56 < pbunny> PHP and C are the only languages needed 19:56 < pbunny> PHP helps to code something fast and dirty 19:57 < pbunny> C allows for perfect elegance and performance 19:57 < zutto> i'm very much enjoying my c#/mono 19:57 < pbunny> so, i.e. for testing bot PHP is perfect 19:57 < pbunny> or for coding $ploits 19:57 < zutto> :| no 19:57 < zutto> php has no multithreading, and shitloads of bugs 19:57 < zutto> its no fun 19:58 < pbunny> yeah, it's perfect for quick and dirty work 19:58 < zutto> php is useful for small things 19:58 < pbunny> yes 19:58 < zutto> but bots? no 19:58 < pbunny> and for large things you use C 19:58 < pbunny> zutto: "testing bot" != "bot" 19:58 < zutto> testing bot is too much of a bot 19:58 < pbunny> zutto: it doesn't have to be elegant 19:59 < pbunny> you use them to test, then discard 19:59 < pbunny> like condom 19:59 < dav1d> as if C was elegant 20:00 < pbunny> totally 20:00 < pbunny> well it depends on coder 20:00 < dexter0> dav1d: it's even more elegant when you make everything a macro. 20:01 < dav1d> dexter0: HAHA 20:01 < dav1d> pbunny: then we have totally different definitions of elegance 20:01 < pbunny> dexter0: elegancy != simplicity 20:01 < pbunny> dav1d: i'm glad we have 20:02 < dav1d> xD, you don't know my defintion 20:02 < ezdiy> fast and dirty 20:02 < ezdiy> well 20:02 < ezdiy> perhaps if you dont know python or ruby 20:02 < ezdiy> :) 20:02 < ezdiy> or perl 20:02 < pbunny> ezdiy: PHP is more flexible than any of them 20:02 < ezdiy> doubt so 20:02 < zutto> no, it isnt 20:02 < pbunny> i.e. you can do eval("$var{$something++}"); etc 20:02 < ezdiy> pbunny: it all comes down to libraries 20:03 < ezdiy> language features dont matter at all 20:03 < ezdiy> for example 20:03 < ezdiy> ip range manipulation in php 20:03 < ezdiy> i think its almost impossible to this day 20:03 < ezdiy> while perl/python is just import netaddr :) 20:03 < pbunny> ezdiy: in php you don't even need that 20:03 < pbunny> you just call connect() 20:03 < ezdiy> blah 20:04 < ezdiy> pbunny: connect is sockets, nothing to do with ip/range manipulation :) 20:04 < ezdiy> good luck writing ipcalc in php 20:04 < eddyb> "PHP" 20:05 < ezdiy> php has one very strong point though 20:05 < ezdiy> its almost universally understood by everyone 20:05 < pbunny> ezdiy: ipcalc is not something that should be coded "fast and dirty" 20:05 < ezdiy> webdesigners, office workers, everyone 20:05 < pbunny> you got out of the scope 20:05 < ezdiy> pbunny: yes it is 20:05 < ezdiy> make 20:05 < ezdiy> believe 20:05 < ezdiy> you're a network sysadmin 20:05 < ezdiy> and you have this huge file with various ips and prefixes in it 20:05 < eddyb> the language that is so bad I would consider strapping webkit+v8 to apache to run client-side JS on the server 20:05 < eddyb> because that's faster 20:05 < ezdiy> and you need to process it quick and dirty :) 20:06 < eddyb> aaand saner 20:06 < pbunny> i would probably get some tools for that 20:06 < ezdiy> pbunny: but youre right that for simple things like string manipulation php is ok 20:06 < ezdiy> as i said 20:06 < ezdiy> universally understood even by janitors 20:07 < ezdiy> is huge plus in terms of maintainability 20:07 < ezdiy> and cheap labour :) 20:07 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has joined #mcdevs 20:07 < pbunny> well i consider ip range manipulation not from "quick and dirty" scope :) 20:07 < ezdiy> hehe 20:07 < ezdiy> yeah 20:07 < ezdiy> php cant do it 20:07 < shoghicp> hi 20:07 < shoghicp> xD xD xD 20:07 < pbunny> O.O 20:07 < ezdiy> pbunny: in every sane language its simple :) 20:07 < shoghicp> ezdiy: that was timed? 20:07 < pbunny> shoghicp: i just cloned your php client today 20:07 < pbunny> nice coinscidence 20:07 < ezdiy> shoghicp: prety much 20:07 < shoghicp> hmm 20:07 < shoghicp> It is biased on 1.5 20:07 < ezdiy> shoghicp: just bashing how horrible php is 20:08 < ezdiy> :))) 20:08 < shoghicp> I confrim that 20:08 < shoghicp> confirm* 20:08 < shoghicp> now, test the server ;) 20:08 < ezdiy> (but has a wider audience than java, so writing a mc client in it is smart move) 20:10 < shoghicp> Do you remember PocketMine-MP? 20:12 < ezdiy> shoghicp: it would be fun if it supported hphpc 20:12 < shoghicp> I use weird PHP things 20:12 < ezdiy> (native binary compiler for php) 20:12 < ezdiy> well 20:12 < ezdiy> as long there are no evals() 20:12 < shoghicp> And it breaks even PHP itself 20:12 < shoghicp> ezdiy: the tick directive 20:13 < shoghicp> that breaks everything 20:13 < shoghicp> even PHP itself 20:13 < shoghicp> (if used carelessly) 20:13 < ezdiy> shoghicp: still the code quality is decent 20:13 < ezdiy> cant quite believe you stick with php :/ 20:15 < shoghicp> People is asking for moving the MCPE server to Java ;) 20:15 < ezdiy> eew 20:15 < ezdiy> why not javascript? 20:15 < ezdiy> this could be translated to v8 almost 1:1 :) 20:15 < shoghicp> node.js ;) 20:15 < ezdiy> yep 20:15 < shoghicp> There is a MCPE proxy for node.js 20:15 < ezdiy> still almost as crappy as php 20:15 < ezdiy> but a bit faster 20:16 < shoghicp> ezdiy: check https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP 20:16 < eddyb> ezdiy: JS is not 1:1 with PHP 20:16 < eddyb> ezdiy: there were so many stupid things in PHP that you can easily get over with in JS 20:16 < ezdiy> eddyb: depends on the php coding standards you're translating from 20:16 < shoghicp> And the reverse ;) 20:16 < ezdiy> eddyb: which seem to be high in https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP 20:16 < eddyb> shoghicp: huh? 20:17 < ezdiy> js -> php is almost impossible indeed :) 20:17 < shoghicp> xD http://php.net/manual/en/book.v8js.php 20:17 < ezdiy> lol 20:17 < eddyb> functions can be passed around as values, + is used for concatenation 20:18 < eddyb> all the function expressions that you just can't do in PHP 20:18 < ezdiy> eddyb: sure 20:18 < eddyb> shoghicp: lol 20:18 < ezdiy> we all know js is much more awesome than php in syntactic details 20:18 < shoghicp> eddyb: You can do that on PHP now (most of it) ;) 20:18 < ezdiy> which is why you can do php->js 20:18 < ezdiy> but cant do the opposite 20:18 < ezdiy> exactly for those reasons 20:18 < ezdiy> because you lose information :) 20:18 < ezdiy> when concat operator becomes addition 20:19 -!- pib1964 [~pib1964@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 < ezdiy> shoghicp: well, i'll keep an eye on your github account 20:19 -!- roblabla|Away is now known as roblabla 20:19 < shoghicp> :) 20:19 < ezdiy> once youre done with 1.5 server 20:20 < ezdiy> i'll try some translating attempts 20:20 < shoghicp> That link is a MCPE server 20:20 < ezdiy> luajit2 would be most awesome 20:20 < roblabla> PHP is a horrible language. 20:20 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i know 20:20 < shoghicp> In fact, the only one available 20:20 < ezdiy> never player mcpe 20:20 < ezdiy> dunno what its like 20:21 < ezdiy> s/player/played/ 20:21 < shoghicp> Minecraft Beta - Redstone - Nether - Trains - Pistons 20:21 < shoghicp> - Infinite worlds 20:21 < shoghicp> - => minus sign 20:21 < ezdiy> hmm 20:21 < ezdiy> not bad 20:22 < ezdiy> all the useless things trimmed basically 20:22 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i cant see any decent worldgen though :( 20:22 < shoghicp> But the protocol is biased xD 20:22 -!- Calinou [~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou] has quit [Quit: Excess Flood] 20:22 < ezdiy> oh, object directory missed that 20:22 < shoghicp> the server can't set a player's inventory slot 20:23 < ezdiy> just trees? 20:23 < shoghicp> I'm not generating worlds yet 20:23 < shoghicp> Only plain 20:23 < ezdiy> ah 20:23 < shoghicp> I'm rewriting that part 20:23 < ezdiy> thats always the toughest part :( 20:23 < shoghicp> But it can import MCPE worlds ;) 20:23 < shoghicp> Todo: https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP/issues/98 20:24 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24 < ezdiy> how do you debug such a huge beast btw? 20:24 < shoghicp> everything uses events that can be modified 20:24 * ezdiy is fairly ignorant on availability of single-stepping ides for PHP 20:24 < shoghicp> so I can hook into anything 20:24 < ezdiy> oh 20:25 < roblabla> shoghicp: you writing an MCPE server in PHP ? 20:25 < shoghicp> It's already done ;) 20:25 < shoghicp> I'm implementing parts of the survival mode 20:25 < roblabla> nice... 20:25 < ezdiy> roblabla: and its really as hardcore as it sounds 20:25 < shoghicp> and improving it xD 20:25 < roblabla> but I have a stupid question : how can clients connect ?_? 20:25 < shoghicp> directly 20:25 < shoghicp> you can run it on your computer 20:25 -!- rclancy [~Ryan@rn.ryan-clancy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26 < roblabla> Right, so we won't be seeing huge 30-players MCPE servers anytime soon lol 20:26 < shoghicp> or, you can set up a proxy on your computer to forward to an online server 20:26 < shoghicp> roblabla: there are 20:26 < roblabla> (yes, huge 30 players. I make sense) 20:26 < shoghicp> there are MCPE servers of 60 players ;) 20:26 < shoghicp> Hunger Games servers 20:26 < roblabla> rly ? But... isn't the space supersmall ? 20:26 < roblabla> or can your server expand the boundaries 20:26 < shoghicp> they made a custom plugin for this 20:27 < shoghicp> roblabla: It'll be able 20:27 < shoghicp> but they used a better idea 20:27 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 20:27 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 20:27 < shoghicp> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1758984-lbsg-lifeboat-survival-games-fully-automatic-new-classes-android-and-ios-no-lag-247-whitelist-and-no-whitelist-ip-506213299/ 20:27 < shoghicp> Usually each round has about 40 players 20:28 < shoghicp> It's a different concept 20:28 < roblabla> I'll probably attempt to translate your server to nodejs when I have some time to waste ^^ 20:28 < ezdiy> roblabla: i think even luajit might work 20:28 < roblabla> I don't know lua 20:28 < roblabla> and before you tell me lua is similar to javascript, I've been told. 20:28 < ezdiy> yeah, it sucks for actual dev 20:28 < ezdiy> but its near-c performance when jitted 20:29 < shoghicp> Also, I use a custom-made PHP build 20:29 < shoghicp> including some extensions 20:29 < shoghicp> Threading for PHP ;) 20:29 < roblabla> I used lua to bundle scripting in a game I made in the past, so I know the "lua syntax" 20:29 < shoghicp> (even more weirdness!) 20:29 < roblabla> but as far as libraries goes.... I'm a lua illiterate 20:30 < ezdiy> shoghicp: actually thats fine 20:30 < ezdiy> as long you do your own php build 20:30 < ezdiy> and pick thread safe exts 20:30 < ezdiy> not that much exts would be thread safe :) 20:30 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30 < shoghicp> Using: PHP, zlib, curl and pthreads 20:30 < ezdiy> sql? 20:30 < shoghicp> and SQLite3 20:30 < ezdiy> ah 20:30 < ezdiy> sqlite3 20:30 < ezdiy> yeah 20:30 < ezdiy> that should all be fine 20:31 < shoghicp> the compile script: https://github.com/shoghicp/PocketMine-MP/blob/master/compile_php.sh 20:31 -!- ryanclancy000 [~Ryan@rn.ryan-clancy.com] has joined #mcdevs 20:31 -!- ryanclancy000 is now known as Guest26052 20:31 < shoghicp> everything is statically linked 20:31 < ezdiy> i see 20:31 < ezdiy> "dont even bother, linux users, lol" 20:32 < superjoe> dav1d, what's that? I missed something 20:32 < shoghicp> also, my code likes to find bugs xD 20:32 < shoghicp> found some nasty PHP bugs 20:33 < ezdiy> those are not bugs 20:33 < ezdiy> but features 20:33 < ezdiy> for example 20:33 < shoghicp> like lines that aren't executed, or executed twice randomly 20:33 < ezdiy> when "0e12345" == 0 20:33 < ezdiy> thats normal 20:33 < ezdiy> :) 20:33 < ezdiy> shoghicp: um 20:33 < shoghicp> ("0e12345" === 0) === false 20:33 < ezdiy> sounds like threading bugs 20:33 < shoghicp> Always use === instead of == 20:34 < superjoe> I use == when comparing to null 20:34 < shoghicp> ezdiy: that was before adding pthreads 20:34 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i think type coercion happens in different places too 20:34 < ezdiy> not just == 20:34 < shoghicp> superjoe: search for " == " in my code, you'll find it only in specific cases 20:34 < ezdiy> array indexes perhaps? 20:34 < ezdiy> :) 20:34 < shoghicp> >= and <= 20:35 < superjoe> shoghicp, are you guys talking about php or js? 20:35 < shoghicp> php 20:35 < roblabla> they're talking bout php 20:35 < ezdiy> $this->map[$X][$Z][0][$index]{$y} = chr($block); 20:35 < ezdiy> this is possibly the single inefficient part about that code 20:36 < roblabla> I can't even read that... 20:36 < ezdiy> php arrays are horribly implemented underneath 20:36 < ezdiy> but i assume mcpe are small maps so it does not matter 20:37 < shoghicp> ezdiy: That is going to be rewritten ;) 20:37 < roblabla> much smaller than minecraft Desktop :P 20:37 < shoghicp> 256x128x256 20:37 < ezdiy> shoghicp: i dont know how to do it better though 20:37 < ezdiy> shoghicp: maybe some ext which supports actual native arrays? 20:38 < ezdiy> 256x128x256 is ok 20:38 < ezdiy> even with php overhead 20:38 < ezdiy> which is like 50 bytes per cell 20:38 < shoghicp> that array is not an array of blocks 20:38 < shoghicp> but of chunks ;) 20:38 < ezdiy> huh 20:39 < ezdiy> setBlock ? 20:39 < shoghicp> ? 20:39 < ezdiy> well 20:40 < ezdiy> its map of chunks 20:40 < shoghicp> btw, https://github.com/search?p=1&q=%3D%3D+repo%3Ashoghicp%2FPocketMine-MP&ref=searchresults&type=Code 20:40 < ezdiy> which in turn contains map of blocks 20:40 < ezdiy> $this->map[$X][$Z][0][$index]{$y} = chr($block); 20:40 < ezdiy> thats how i interpret it anyways 20:41 < shoghicp> ezdiy: columns of blocks 20:41 < ezdiy> it does not really matter though 20:41 < shoghicp> at least, PHP numerical arrays are faster 20:41 < ezdiy> i think those are still stored as string :( 20:41 < ezdiy> the keys of such arrays 20:42 < shoghicp> no ;) 20:42 < ezdiy> oh, neat 20:42 < shoghicp> "3" !== 3 20:42 < roblabla> true 20:42 < roblabla> :) 20:42 < shoghicp> "3" == 3 20:42 < ezdiy> so array[0] != array["0"] anymore? 20:42 < ezdiy> i mean array[0] == array["0"] anymore? 20:42 < shoghicp> if the array has the same value... 20:42 < ezdiy> no 20:43 < ezdiy> the indexes used to be strings 20:43 < ezdiy> at least in php 5.1 last time i checked 20:43 < ezdiy> could have changed since then 20:43 < shoghicp> doing a fast check 20:43 < shoghicp> oh oh xD 20:43 < shoghicp> we're at PHP 5.5! 20:44 < ezdiy> hmm 20:44 < ezdiy> seems still as strings 20:45 < shoghicp> but the key is then saved as an integer lol xD 20:45 < shoghicp> $a = array(); $a[] = 1; $a["0"] = 2; var_dump($a); var_dump(key($a)); 20:46 < shoghicp> output 20:46 < shoghicp> array(1) { [0] => int(2) } int(0) 20:46 < shoghicp> so the key is saved as a number there... 20:46 < shoghicp> nah, it's PHP, so nvm 20:47 < ezdiy> yeah 20:47 < ezdiy> it seems to double check now 20:47 < ezdiy> foreach (array(1) as $key => $value) if ($key === 0) echo "fuck php"; 20:47 < ezdiy> this used to say fuck php 20:47 < ezdiy> when == "0" 20:47 < ezdiy> actually there wasnt even === back then 20:47 < ezdiy> there wasn distinction between int and string at all iirc :) 20:47 < shoghicp> lol xD 20:48 < shoghicp> emm 20:48 < shoghicp> that is right 20:48 < shoghicp> array(1) === array(0 => 1) 20:48 < ezdiy> yep 20:48 < shoghicp> foreach (array(1) as $key => $value) if ($key === 0) echo "fuck php"; 20:49 < shoghicp> oops 20:49 < shoghicp> foreach (array(1 =>1) as $key => $value) if ($key === 0) echo "fuck php"; 20:49 < shoghicp> you mean that? 20:49 < shoghicp> because at leas, from my point of view, it is right :S 20:50 < ezdiy> nah 20:50 < ezdiy> it behaves as expected now 20:50 < ezdiy> but 20:50 < ezdiy> i think in doing so 20:50 < ezdiy> it broke ihis 20:50 < ezdiy> foreach (array("1" => 1) as $key => $value) if ($key === "1") echo "ok php"; 20:51 < ezdiy> "1" is now treated as int 20:51 < ezdiy> so i assume they "fixed" it 20:51 < jast> gotta love PHP 20:51 < ezdiy> just by forcing int in number like array indices lol :) 20:51 < shoghicp> xD xD 20:51 < shoghicp> at least, "1a" !== "1" 20:52 < ezdiy> yup 20:52 < ezdiy> no crazy conversion either 20:53 < ezdiy> 1e0000 is just string 20:53 < ezdiy> only when its [0-9] string then god help us all :) 20:53 < shoghicp> yeah xD 20:55 < ezdiy> (to be fair i think lua and js did such retarded auto type coercions at some point as well) 20:56 < shoghicp> But I can't control even my own server in PHP 20:56 < shoghicp> when players are Kicked 20:57 < shoghicp> their objects are closed, destructed, nulled and then unsetted from the array that calls them. Even I lock themselves from running anything 20:57 < shoghicp> But some plugin devs. keep complaining about ghost players that continue to being executed somewhere 20:57 < shoghicp> even when no direct reference is pointing at tham 20:58 < ezdiy> yeah 20:58 < ezdiy> php is kinda leaky like that 20:58 < ezdiy> shoghicp: just save game world state 20:58 < ezdiy> and restart once a while 20:58 < ezdiy> pe protocol is udp based 20:58 < ezdiy> so no problem here, right? 20:59 < shoghicp> I've fixed these leaky things ;) 20:59 < shoghicp> the memori consumption for ~10 players is about 50MB 20:59 < shoghicp> including the map and server itself 20:59 < ezdiy> its not about player count 20:59 < ezdiy> but uptime 20:59 < ezdiy> ie how much memory after week running 20:59 < shoghicp> uptime? infinite, at least 20:59 < ezdiy> when players get in/out 20:59 < shoghicp> no leaks ;) 20:59 < shoghicp> tested 21:00 < shoghicp> I free every object that has any kind of reference 21:01 < shoghicp> If not, like temp. objects, PHP freeds them in 20 seconds or so 21:01 < shoghicp> yay Java http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/javacpuapr2013-1928497.html 21:01 < shoghicp> "This Critical Patch Update contains 42 new security fixes for Oracle Java SE.  39 of these vulnerabilities may be remotely exploitable " 21:02 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02 -!- RainbowDashTable [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 21:06 < shoghicp> from #phpc: r1chard: cythrawll, a lot of the code in PHP scares me this is why I wrap most of the APIs I use. 21:06 < shoghicp> Oh, PocketMine-MP has passed the 200 issues mark xD 21:07 < shoghicp> I'll be back here another day 21:07 < shoghicp> see you! 21:08 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10 -!- edk [edk@unaffiliated/edk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11 -!- edk [edk@unaffiliated/edk] has joined #mcdevs 21:12 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 21:14 -!- RainbowDashTable is now known as cathode 21:24 < superjoe> I gave 2 weeks notice on friday 21:24 < superjoe> so excited :D 21:36 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:37 -!- Guest26052 [~Ryan@rn.ryan-clancy.com] has quit [Quit: Quit - ZNC] 21:37 -!- ryanclancy000 [~Ryan@rn.ryan-clancy.com] has joined #mcdevs 21:46 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:03 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs 22:07 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 22:12 -!- eddyb [~eddy@unaffiliated/eddyb] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:12 -!- Stormx2 [~Stormx2@cpc18-sotn9-2-0-cust33.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:32 -!- pib1959 [pib1959@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:bb80] has joined #mcdevs 22:44 -!- umby24 is now known as umby24|offline 22:59 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:40 -!- cathode [~cathode@c-76-105-184-52.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:53 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 23:54 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ --- Day changed mar. avril 16 2013 00:06 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07 -!- Jailout2000 [~Jailout20@unaffiliated/jailout2000] has joined #mcdevs 00:09 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10 -!- zh32 [nuthouse@vm1.zh32.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10 -!- zh32 [nuthouse@vm1.zh32.de] has joined #mcdevs 00:12 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 00:22 -!- TkTech [~TkTech@irc.tkte.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25 -!- TkTech [~TkTech@irc.tkte.ch] has joined #mcdevs 00:26 < TkTech> superjoe: Where you off to? 00:27 < superjoe> nowhere yet. Just going to enjoy a few months of freetime 00:29 < TkTech> Ah, also enjoyable. 00:30 < superjoe> I've been tinkering with the idea of trying to do a video game kickstarter 00:37 < TkTech> superjoe: Have you made a commercial (or free) game in the past? 00:37 < superjoe> TkTech, yes but not a big one. I got 1st place in pyweek one year: http://www.pyweek.org/e/superjoe/ 00:40 < TkTech> superjoe: Gotta be honest here, that's nowhere near enough to justify a kickstarter…you need to show a good, pre-existing foundation, extensive research, you should already have deals with a few designers, plenty of mockups and usually a prototype 00:41 < TkTech> Typically games on kickstarter only work out if they're well known for a previous game and/or have a very impressive demo, existing storyline, etc... 00:41 < TkTech> Oddly a lot easier to do a kickstarter for EE projects... 00:41 < superjoe> TkTech, we do plan to have a prototype and impressive demo ready before launching a campaign 00:42 < superjoe> also I am teaming up with Superpowerless who has a decent sized audience from his musical stuff 00:42 < superjoe> that being said I do appreciate the honest feedback 00:42 < TkTech> Ah, most excellent. I thought you were going to try one in a month or something, not down the road. 00:48 < TkTech> -- Note: Anyone here using Linode? Ever used Linode? Your unencrypted CC details and personal details are now on the loose. -- 00:48 < superjoe> yeah, me. >.< 00:48 < TkTech> Call your bank and get and cards used in the past (even if they've been removed) revoked. 00:49 < TkTech> What a shitty day. 00:49 < superjoe> yeah. I'm so sad that people still kill each other :( 00:50 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has joined #mcdevs 00:50 < TkTech> The Boston bombs are looking pretty iffy right now, there were dozens of bombs in Afghanistan set off today as well. 00:50 < TkTech> Shortly before or following 00:51 < superjoe> what do you mean by "iffy"? 00:51 < TkTech> Co-ordinated by a malicious group instead of random crazy #69. 00:51 <+ammar2> probably coincidental, doesn't make much sense to have a synchronized bombing all the way around the world 00:54 <+Prf_Jakob> TkTech: where did you get that Linode news from btw? 00:55 < TkTech> Prf_Jakob: The most up-to-date conversation is currently -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5552756 00:58 < superjoe> TkTech, did linode officially acknowledge it yet? 00:58 < superjoe> last I checked they said there was no confirmed CC compromise 01:00 < TkTech> superjoe: Linode hasn't said a peep outside of their blog post (http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/12/security-notice-linode-manager-password-reset/). 01:00 < superjoe> good to know 01:00 < superjoe> gotta run, ta ta for now 01:01 -!- superjoe [~andy@static-72-89-161-75.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B252011.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Tschuess und bis Bald] 01:27 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 01:44 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 01:44 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 01:44 <+Scootabyte> TkTech, know any good alternative to Linode? :P 01:48 < TkTech> Scootabyte: AWS has always been solid if you use it right. 01:48 < TkTech> (And even when you don't, I have a non-redundant micro that has an uptime of over 1 ½ years) 01:48 <+ammar2> wasn't aws a bit expensive in terms of bandwith 01:49 <+ammar2> been running an irc bnc on a free ec2 instance for a year, and now for another 8 months or so :3 01:51 <+Scootabyte> What kind of an interface does AWS provide? Does it appear as a server (like Linode), where I have total control over installation/configuration of software 01:51 <+Scootabyte> or is it more "managed" kind of a server, where I have to do everything through control panels 01:51 < TkTech> Scootabyte: AWS is infinitely more flexible than Linode. There is no such thing as a managed AWS instance (outside of 3rd parties) 01:52 < TkTech> Scootabyte: They're pretty much VPSs, to you the user. 01:52 <+Scootabyte> Ah ok. So I'll still be able to use lighttpd and svnd and all that crap? 01:52 <+Scootabyte> Perhaps I will switch. 01:52 < TkTech> Whatever the *BLEEP* you wanted. 01:53 <+Scootabyte> heh 01:53 < TkTech> Browsed more than a dozen websites today? Odds are you were on AWS. 01:54 < TkTech> https://aws.amazon.com/amis/ <- These are the base AMIs, many thousands more pre-built for specific purposes. 01:54 <+Scootabyte> Well yeah, I know it is a widely-used system, I just had no idea what kind of control it provides 01:54 < TkTech> They're VPS, the only controls it provides is a very comprehensive admin panel that's designed to manage resources (instances, load balances, DNS, etc…) and a very comprehensive API. 01:55 < TkTech> ammar2: It can be very expensive for bandwith depending on what you're doing. You shouldn't be hosting media off an EC2 instance for example, you should be using S3. 01:55 < TkTech> ammar2: But for a blog, website, game server, torrent box, whatever - it doesn't matter. 01:56 <+Scootabyte> (well, for a torrent box, bandwidth might matter. Depends on how ambitious you get :P) 01:56 <+Scootabyte> Alright, I'll give AWS a try 01:57 < TkTech> Scootabyte: If this is your first time you won't pay anything for the next year, realistically. 01:57 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:57 <+Scootabyte> Well, I am hosting about 8 random sites, most of them low-bandwidth 01:57 <+ammar2> yeah, I was paying like 40 cents or so, that just because of io requests 01:58 <+Scootabyte> And I started using CloudFlare on everything this year, so that's lowered my already-low bandwidth :P 01:58 < TkTech> My base monthly is $90 something, but I do the majority of my work on spot instances brought up as-needed and torn down immediately after. 01:58 <+ammar2> yeah, cloudflare is pretty handy 01:59 < TkTech> It's fun bringing up a thousand cores just to save an hour or two. 01:59 <+Scootabyte> $90/month? That sounds steep 01:59 <+Scootabyte> Compared to Linode 01:59 <+Scootabyte> Is that common? 02:00 < TkTech> That isn't for one server. I work in Big Data™. 02:00 < TkTech> I use AWS extensively for work. 02:00 < TkTech> Linode doesn't even offer servers the size I use daily. 02:01 <+Scootabyte> Aha, I just got a reply from Linode tech support 02:01 <+Scootabyte> > Thank you for contacting us. We are working on putting together another statement and posting it on our blog. At this time we have no evidence to suggest that customers' entire credit card numbers have been compromised. We will be releasing any additional information that becomes available on our blog at http://blog.linode.com 02:02 < TkTech> "No evidence" is a safety word to keep them from getting sued. 02:02 <+Scootabyte> Yep heh. That reply does not inspire confidence 02:02 <+Scootabyte> I'll be right back; 02:02 -!- Scootabyte [~Scootabyt@crown-7-41.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: exit(0);] 02:13 -!- Scootabyte [Scootabyte@eduroam-248-165.ucsc.edu] has joined #mcdevs 02:13 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Scootabyte] by ChanServ 02:17 < TkTech> Scootabyte: Lies, that took forever. 02:17 < TkTech> Scootabyte: Anyways, a micro (which you get for free for a year) runs about $14. 02:18 < TkTech> Scootabyte: It's more than enough for a blog/personal site, IRC bouncer for several users, bla bla. 02:18 <+Scootabyte> excellent 02:18 <+Scootabyte> Alright I got a znc set up, I'll rejoin one last time 02:18 <+Scootabyte> And just to piss you off -- new nick! 02:18 <+Scootabyte> :P 02:19 -!- Scootabyte is now known as Matvei 02:19 -!- Matvei [Scootabyte@eduroam-248-165.ucsc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23 -!- Matvei [~matvei_fr@znc.fcraft.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:23 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v Matvei] by ChanServ 02:23 <+Matvei> There we go. No more join/part spam from me. 02:24 <+Matvei> I've been waiting for this nick to drop for better part of a year; at last it happened :p 02:30 < TkTech> Heh 02:40 -!- Eric___ [~Eric@bas3-guelph22-1176206193.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #mcdevs 02:41 -!- Eric___ is now known as Eric1212 02:45 < Ghoul_> ff 02:45 < Ghoul_> Theres a glitch with WorldBorder or something 02:46 < Ghoul_> It's been annoying me to no end. If you use the fill command it always corrupts (at least one) chunks that cause (eventually) the whole server to throw an exception and crash 02:47 -!- dexter0 [~dexter0@c-24-23-138-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 02:52 -!- act4 [51974c51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.151.76.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:54 <+Matvei> hm 02:54 <+Matvei> Tech support for AWS $49/month? eh. 02:56 <+Matvei> I hope I won't need it :P 02:56 < TkTech> Why in the hells would you? 02:56 <+Matvei> You're forgetting that I am a noob 02:57 <+Matvei> Now, to figure out what these dozens of different services mean... 03:14 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:14 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 03:20 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:28 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:30 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 03:30 <+Matvei> I like how everything in AWS Sydney datacenter is 5-10x more expensive than the rest of the world. Poor Australians. 03:31 <+Matvei> Outbound bandwidth seems very expensive on EC2. $0.25/GB 03:32 <+Matvei> Oh wait I was looking at Australian pricing. $0.12/GB in US. 03:32 <+Matvei> Still. 03:33 -!- SpaceManiac [~SpaceMani@r74-192-152-131.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #mcdevs 03:33 -!- mode/#mcdevs [+v SpaceManiac] by ChanServ 03:35 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14 -!- Eric1212 [~Eric@bas3-guelph22-1176206193.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:36 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:26 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #mcdevs 05:26 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Changing host] 05:26 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 06:11 -!- mapppum [~mappum@243.sub-70-199-229.myvzw.com] has joined #mcdevs 06:14 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@173-23-165-139.client.mchsi.com] has joined #mcdevs 06:14 -!- mappum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:20 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #mcdevs 06:27 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@scspc337.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Changing host] 06:27 -!- sharvey [~sharvey@pdpc/supporter/student/sabriel] has joined #mcdevs 06:30 -!- Jckf [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 06:33 -!- Jckf [~jckf@2001:470:27:155::2] has joined #mcdevs 07:28 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@173-23-165-139.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:32 -!- mappppum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #mcdevs 07:34 -!- mapppum [~mappum@243.sub-70-199-229.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has joined #mcdevs 07:55 -!- BizarreCake [~BizarreCa@46.121.251.157] has joined #mcdevs 08:00 -!- Zachoz|Away is now known as Zachoz 08:39 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:22 -!- Brottweiler [brott@unaffiliated/brott] has joined #mcdevs 09:23 < Brottweiler> Would this be the channel for IRC support for mark2? 09:27 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 09:30 <+clonejo> afaik there is an extra channel dedicated to that project 09:36 < Brottweiler> Yes, #mark2 seems to exist on freenode (tried on esper at first), pretty empty though 09:43 <+clonejo> edk: ping ^ 09:50 -!- mappppum [~mappum@c-67-170-21-29.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:33 -!- Xaardas [~tach@p5B252896.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mcdevs 11:47 < dav1d> Brottweiler: ! :D 11:47 < Brottweiler> :o 11:48 < Brottweiler> dav1d: Your URL doesnt work btw, only the IP i think :( 11:48 < dav1d> Brottweiler: nope works 11:48 < Brottweiler> ok, it didnt the other day 11:48 < dav1d> I connect with the domain 11:48 < Brottweiler> well I tridd to go to the domain:6666, but only the IP worked 11:48 < dav1d> Brottweiler: you had https and not http? 11:49 < Brottweiler> i dont know, ican see later :P 11:49 < dav1d> or do you mean connecting to the server? 11:49 < dav1d> well, it should definitly work now 11:49 < dav1d> because I connect through the domain and can access the webpanel 11:50 < Brottweiler> okey, i tried to go to the webpanel 11:50 < dav1d> yeah, you probably used http 11:50 < Brottweiler> in my /etc/hosts I have the IP domain then the "fake" adresses for irssi to work :P 11:50 < Brottweiler> maybe 11:50 < dav1d> http → net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET 11:51 < dav1d> gtg 11:52 < dav1d> cya 11:52 < Brottweiler> bai 11:57 < pbunny> ok, so i did http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/axyjuxy/C for locking chunk B's mutexes from chunk A while chunk A's mutex is locked too 11:58 < pbunny> i.e. safelock(&chunk->entities_mutex,&xchunk->entities_mutex); ...do entities stuff... ; pthread_mutex_unlock(&xchunk->entities_mutex); 11:58 < pbunny> any better suggestions? 11:58 < pbunny> should prevent deadlocks, but may have not optimal performance 11:59 <+md_5> you are really still going for performance ; 11:59 < pbunny> yes. 12:00 <+md_5> on that note, usleep is actually depreceated and not in later posix standards 12:01 < pbunny> its trivial to replace it, i am asking about better implementations if any 12:02 < pbunny> dav1d: maybe you can suggest something? i would use your intellect now 12:03 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 12:10 < dav1d> pbunny: you process each chunk in a mutex? 12:10 < dav1d> s/mutex/thread/ 12:11 < dav1d> this is really inefficient 12:11 <+ammar2> he has a group of chunks iirc 12:11 < dav1d> I would combine all threads which do basically the same into one, so that no two threads to the same on different data 12:12 < dav1d> ammar2: still combining tasks instead of threads leaves you with less threads, which is always a good thing 12:13 < dav1d> -> less mutexes, less possible deadlocks, less bugs, way more system friendly 12:14 <+ammar2> ehhh, not necessarily. It can allow you to concurrently split and carry out complex tasks in parts. It's just the timing overhead + complexity outweights it significantly in this case 12:14 < pbunny> dav1d: no, i will have a thread pool 12:14 < pbunny> right now i use 1 chunk per thread due to better debugging 12:15 < pbunny> later there will be like 8-20 threads and chunks will be assigned and balanced between them 12:15 < dav1d> I used a threading-pool in BraLa, I ended up removing it 12:15 < pbunny> too complex? 12:15 < dav1d> yeah kinda, made things too difficult 12:16 < pbunny> dav1d: imagine 1 chunk has lots of redstone/entities/metaentities/etc and others are lightweight 12:16 < pbunny> how will you group them? 12:16 < pbunny> they 'do basically the same' 12:16 < dav1d> would have needed to divide each bigger step into independend steps, then feed the pool these tasks.. 12:17 < pbunny> my balancer will detect the high overhead of thread with heavy chunk and gradually move random(?) chunks out of him to other threads until its workload is of acceptable % or only 1 chunk remains 12:17 < dav1d> make a safe way of reading block data, then a thread e.g. redstone, entities ... 12:17 < pbunny> so in the end there will be 1 thread with this chunk only, and second thread with other chunks 12:18 < dav1d> but let them handle the whole world instead of a limited number of chunks, this also gets rid of redstone crossing borders 12:18 < dav1d> also, 1 thread per chunk? 12:18 < pbunny> dav1d: 'handling the whole world' is the slowest part of it. 12:18 < dav1d> 144 chunks per player 12:18 < dav1d> you know that? 12:18 < pbunny> dav1d: no. do you read me? 12:18 < pbunny> its only for now, for debugging 12:18 < dav1d> then I dont understand it 12:18 < dav1d> well, let's say 144 chunks / thread 12:18 < dav1d> (radius around player) 12:19 < pbunny> i imagine running thread count that is similar or equal to CPU cores count 12:19 < dav1d> 100 players → 100 threads 12:19 < dav1d> oh yeah your pool 12:19 < pbunny> there is not much point in having threads count > CPU cores count i think 12:19 < dav1d> but then I'd rather have one thread per job instead of messing with pools 12:19 < pbunny> dav1d: like what job? 12:19 < dav1d> pbunny: there is, e.g. makes -j flag 12:19 < pbunny> wheat growth? 12:20 < dav1d> cores*2+1 12:20 < pbunny> thanks cap 12:20 < dav1d> this is the recommended value 12:20 < dav1d> pbunny: redstone calculations and shit 12:20 < dav1d> one thread 12:20 < pbunny> dav1d: i may use genetic algorithms to determine the optimal threads count 12:20 < dav1d> entities another 12:20 < pbunny> ( they will be spawned / killed on the fly ) 12:20 < pbunny> dav1d: well entities thread will be screwed once you have like 100000 entities 12:21 < pbunny> because it will run on single CPU core 12:21 < pbunny> it won't scale 12:21 < pbunny> on other hand, per-chunk thread pools scale perfectly 12:21 < pbunny> just add CPU cores and performance grows 12:21 < dav1d> entity thread, redstone thread, ... at the moment you have more tasks than CPU cores, it doesn't matter, everything will be "slow" 12:21 < dav1d> "just add CPU cores" ... 12:22 < dav1d> well good luck 12:22 < pbunny> yeah, like upgrading CPUs 12:22 < dav1d> it makes things a whole lot harder 12:22 < pbunny> dav1d: in first version of my server i tried to do exactly as you describe now 12:22 < pbunny> but i understood soon enough that it won't scale 12:23 < pbunny> some of my entities (commander ones) will even use neural networks for decisions, they can be quite cpu-intensive 12:23 < dav1d> you probably use the wrong language then 12:23 < pbunny> no 12:24 < dav1d> there are other languages which provide exactly what you need 12:24 < dav1d> which are even designed for i 12:24 < dav1d> *it 12:24 < pbunny> for what? 12:24 < pbunny> dav1d: imagine there is no redstone in your world 12:24 < pbunny> redstone thread will then be empty 12:24 < pbunny> it will do nothing 12:24 < dav1d> clojure probably or definitly erlang! 12:24 < pbunny> ... 12:25 < dav1d> maybe even Go 12:25 < dav1d> but nothing compares to erlang threads, from what I know 12:25 < dav1d> clonejo: btw. how is your erlang server doing? :) 12:26 < pbunny> i prefer pthreads, thx 12:26 < dav1d> pbunny: an erlang thread is something completly different 12:26 < dav1d> pbunny: you looked at existing threadpool implementations? 12:26 < pbunny> i don't see anything difficult in implementing thread pool 12:27 < pbunny> will probably take 5 minutes 12:27 < dav1d> :( 12:29 < dav1d> doing it correctly isn't trivial (also not that hard), but you oversee something very easily, which will cause you headaches later 12:30 < pbunny> i.e. what? 12:30 < dav1d> well, a very basic threadpool 12:30 < dav1d> the D implementation has 4.5k lines 12:30 < pbunny> ... 12:30 < dav1d> (including comments and unittests) 12:30 < dav1d> which I recommend... 12:31 < pbunny> i will just time the execution time of every loop in subthread of world thread 12:31 < pbunny> world thread will then balance chunks 12:31 < dav1d> was just a recommendation 12:31 < dav1d> do whatever you want 12:31 < pbunny> i.e. move chunks from slow threads to fast threads 12:31 < dav1d> and how will you handle chunk borders? 12:31 < pbunny> ..... 12:32 < dav1d> e.g. sheep walking across, redstoneline going 100 chunks in length 12:32 < pbunny> safelock() i linked to earlier 12:32 < dav1d> oh that was your problem 12:32 < pbunny> entity migration is already working, valgrind drd is happy 12:33 <+ammar2> pbunny: is your block storage implementation totally thread safe? 12:33 < pbunny> ammar2: yes 12:34 < pbunny> ammar2: http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/umefihi/C 12:35 <+md_5> if (m_sDestNick.AsLower() == sLine.Token(4).AsLower()) 12:35 <+md_5> oops 12:35 <+md_5> #ifdef __cplusplus 12:35 <+md_5> extern "C" { 12:35 <+md_5> What is this, I dont even, why 12:35 <+ammar2> oh man, that timing overhead is really gonna kill you 12:35 <+md_5> pick a standard and stick to it 12:35 <+md_5> plz 12:36 <+md_5> unsigned char blocktype[16][16][16][16]; 12:36 <+md_5> 4 dimensions 12:36 <+md_5> am I missing something ammar2 12:36 < pbunny> thats what mc client uses 12:36 < dav1d> xyz? 12:36 < pbunny> i use the same format so i can just compress it and send 12:36 <+ammar2> md_5: beats me 12:36 <+md_5> xyzq? 12:36 < pbunny> md_5: first is chunk in chunk column 12:36 < pbunny> y/16 12:36 <+md_5> dafaq is the 4th dimension 12:36 <+ammar2> oh its an entire chunk 12:36 < dav1d> oh 12:36 <+clonejo> dav1d: pretty slow atm. Can't find much motivation :-/ 12:36 < dav1d> clonejo: same for BraLa :( 12:37 <+ammar2> md_5: column, x, y, z 12:37 < dav1d> clonejo: wanted to rewrite it so engine looks like the cool minecraft animations 12:37 <+clonejo> hehe 12:37 < pbunny> ammar2: position in column 12:37 < dav1d> clonejo: but meh, would be relativly slow, and tbh I dont have the knowledge to implement it, so it would take me quite some time 12:38 < pbunny> ammar2: well timing overhead will appear only when trylock fails 12:38 < pbunny> that won't happen often i think 12:38 < dav1d> clonejo: mainly light and shadows (with transparency!) 12:39 < dav1d> blur and such stuff is easy 12:39 < dav1d> relativly simple shader, same goes with fog 12:39 < dav1d> antialiasing etc. p.. 12:39 < dav1d> *pp. 12:39 < dav1d> clonejo: btw. when does your next semester start? 12:39 <+clonejo> dav1d: It already started last week. 12:40 < dav1d> clonejo: ah, had my first test last week, already :( 12:40 < dav1d> next one today -.- 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Most people think it's a lure to get people signed up and the price will eventually get bumped. 23:20 < TkTech> That, and the inability to buy more bandwith. 23:20 < TkTech> If you get extremely popular and hit the top-tier 10TB limit you're paying $0.02/gb over that. 23:36 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:37 < roblabla> that's probably how they sustain :P 23:53 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4579abf1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #mcdevs --- Day changed jeu. avril 18 2013 00:12 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13 -!- TomyLobo [~foo@91-64-168-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mcdevs 00:35 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #mcdevs 00:36 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has joined #mcdevs 00:42 -!- edlothiol [~edlothiol@2a02:810b:80c0:27:f2de:f1ff:fe78:51cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:59 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has 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pbunny> threads will still run with same speed 14:55 < pbunny> i.e. 20 iterations per second 14:55 < dav1d> you can measure realtime with redstone 14:55 < dav1d> so you would have to update redstone every tick anyways 14:55 < pbunny> i will update it every tick anyway 14:56 < dav1d> "that will actually result in tickless world" 14:56 < pbunny> well, every chunk thread will have its own ticks timing 14:56 < pbunny> but they will run at same speed 14:58 < pbunny> the only 'issue' i see is that sometimes stuff in adjactent chunks may happen by 0-49999ms later than in current chunk 14:58 < pbunny> and by ms i mean microseconds 15:00 < jast> so you mean μs 15:16 -!- Guest34224 [~exe@85.28.181.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:16 -!- zh32 is now known as zh32|offline 15:17 -!- zh32|offline is now known as zh32 15:18 < roblabla> pbunny: what's the goal you're trying to reach by doing that ? 15:19 < pbunny> roblabla: smoothup cpu usage 15:19 < pbunny> and reduce locking waits 15:20 < jast> threads aren't guaranteed to actually run in precisely those time slices you want 15:20 < jast> it's easily possible for your thread to start departing more and more from the timing you imagined 15:20 < pbunny> by time chunk threads will shift themselves by lock-waiting, and then they will have to wait less 15:20 < pbunny> jast: detecting time-slice-fails is another thing 15:20 < jast> unless you want to write your own scheduler 15:21 < pbunny> jast: but even with sync, they are not guaranteed to finish their loops in time 15:21 < pbunny> that's another problem 15:21 < pbunny> however, they will usually slowdown the nearby chunks too if there's something slow going on in them by keeping mutexes locked 15:22 < pbunny> i will detect that in world thread, and then hold non-slowed chunks to give slowed ones additional iterations 15:22 < pbunny> not best solution though 15:23 < pbunny> or maybe it is better to let them run as they can, just lightening the slow threads by assiging 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I had no idea where to start 20:51 < eddyb> maybe when Blink gets stable, you can use that instead 20:51 < dav1d> and gave up after ~3 days with no line written 20:51 < dav1d> eddyb: and blink is? 20:52 < eddyb> dav1d: basically Google decided they had to fork WebKit and remove all the parts that they don't need 20:52 < dav1d> oh it's new rendering engine :O 20:52 < dav1d> yeah I knew that 20:52 < dav1d> and they call it blink? 20:52 < eddyb> yepp 20:52 < eddyb> Blink+V8 might be the way to go 20:52 < dav1d> TIL 20:52 < eddyb> I'm not sure what else you would need from Chromium. like, I don't think Skia is integrated in Blink yet 20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> There was also the fact that Chromium/Webkit had two javascript engines 20:53 -!- roblabla is now known as roblabla|Away 20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> two different threading system 20:53 <+Prf_Jakob> s 20:53 < eddyb> yeah, JSC was the largest part of WebKit they removed 20:54 < eddyb> Prf_Jakob: actually, they are multi-process architectures 20:54 <+Prf_Jakob> eddyb: hehe right 20:55 < dav1d> eddyb: do they plan to release *any* documentation? 20:55 < eddyb> aren't there doxygen docs for Chromium? 20:56 < dav1d> digging through the source I haven't seen anything helpful 20:57 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:57 < eddyb> dav1d: http://www.chromium.org/blink#TOC-API-Owners apparently they want stricter rules about APIs so that could be a clue 20:58 < eddyb> dav1d: have you seen this before? https://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/ 20:58 < dav1d> well, I think I'll go with webkitgtk 20:58 < dav1d> eddyb: yes, doesnt work on linux 20:59 < eddyb> huh? 20:59 < dav1d> eddyb: https://github.com/Dav1dde/cef 20:59 < dav1d> eddyb: offscreen rendering 20:59 < dav1d> I made fucking complete bindings for both versions, finding out it doesnt work 20:59 < eddyb> April 8, 2013: Version 3.1364.1188 is the first binary release for 32-bit and 64-bit Linux. In addition to the changes described below for version 3.1364.1094 it includes the following enhancements and bug fixes. 20:59 < eddyb> ok, so CEF is bad 21:01 -!- Rudench is now known as Shnaw 21:02 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined #mcdevs 21:14 -!- Cay [~OlofLarss@s83-177-171-150.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 25 commits to snapshot [+19/-0/±93] http://git.io/H2kAIA 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 67b41de - Improved metadata dictionary usage 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 16cf484 - Fixed metadata encoding for strings 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 6f0a7f7 - Removed test code from ItemEntity 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 64684a3 - Added internal default constructors to metadata items, fixes deserialization 21:29 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 01a0ad6 - Changed metadata dictionary decoder to use correct metadata entry constructor 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 73fbbd1 - Changed visibility of constructors in metadata entry classes 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] ammaraskar b270852 - Fix stair orientation (closes #146) 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn b9f5d58 - Made stair up/down orientation use cursor position 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 81365e1 - Fixed door orientation, closes #144 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 612462f - Fixed hunger/eating issues, closes #137 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn aabfdde - Added read-only world classes for clients 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a7e85ca - Added ability to save read only worlds, unload chunks 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 53f7fdd - Parse chunk packets in client 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 94c0d9d - Fix bug with 0x38 packets without light 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn df2f710 - Added ChunkRecieved event 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 6932fd6 - Update README.md 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn a5b926f - Fixed various bugs with Linux/Mac support 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 9d2eb61 - Merge branch 'master' of github.com:SirCmpwn/Craft.Net into HEAD 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 28edb02 - Updated README to mention issues with certs on mono 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn cf1896f - Fixed bugs with compiling on mono 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 206dfd7 - Fixed hardness and drop for diamond ore 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 34654cd - Changed visibility of AcceptConnectionAsync 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 7dcdfc8 - Added to Craft.Net.Data.Level to allow for singleplayer levels to be saved 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn c50bb26 - Update README.md 21:30 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn 28052d4 - Update protocol version, add new blocks/items 21:42 < TkTech> I *think* I'm going to set a commit limit on this channel... 21:42 -!- Eric__ [~Eric@bas3-guelph22-1176206193.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #mcdevs 22:00 -!- conehead [~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead] has quit 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just made a change to pre-release page and it didn't fire off 22:48 < TkTech> I shall poke 22:51 < TkTech> ammar2: Gave it a restart, see if it works on the next change 22:51 -!- shoghicp [~shoghicp@77.225.6.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51 <+ammar2> all right, thanks. 22:51 < TkTech> (That's a super sketchy bot, if someone wants to improve it, it's on github) 23:00 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by SirCmpwn to Pre-release protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/d9t3sr2 23:03 -!- mappum [~mappum@126.sub-70-199-144.myvzw.com] has joined #mcdevs 23:06 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by SirCmpwn to Pre-release protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/cn4lyxz 23:07 < Not-001> [wiki.vg] Edit by SirCmpwn to Pre-release protocol -> http://tinyurl.com/c3b3nz9 23:07 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn pushed 1 commit to snapshot [+0/-0/±6] http://git.io/f1WDeA 23:07 < Not-001> [Craft.Net] SirCmpwn e187742 - In-progress protocol updates 23:08 -!- bitcraft [~bitcraft@209.144.63.76] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 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